*2006 Orangemane-Neck Pony Nation / BroncoManiax-Mile High Nation FFL* [Archive] - Page 6 - The Orange Mane

Sassy

11-12-2006, 11:04 PM

Player Event
Plummer, Jake DEN QB
at Raiders Sun 4:05 p.m. ET 8 210 Passing Yards
0 6 Rushing Yards
-6 3 Interceptions
0 0 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)
8 2 Passing TDs
0 2 Passing TDs
10 Subtotal
Maroney, Laurence NEP RB
vs Jets Sun 1:00 p.m. ET 0 0 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)
3 37 Rushing Yards
3 Subtotal
Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB
at Bengals Sun 1:00 p.m. ET 24 4 Rushing TDs
5 54 Receiving Yards
3 54 Receiving Yards
0 0 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)
10 104 Rushing Yards
3 104 Rushing Yards
2 6 Receptions
47 Subtotal
Holt, Torry STL WR
at Seahawks Sun 4:15 p.m. ET 2 7 Receptions
7 73 Receiving Yards
0 0 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)
0 7 Receptions
9 Subtotal
Muhammad, Muhsin CHI WR
at Giants Sun 8:15 p.m. ET

3rd Quarter 01:20 Remaining
2nd and 5 at NYG 36 2 7 Receptions
6 1 Receiving TDs
12 123 Receiving Yards
3 123 Receiving Yards
-2 1 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)
0 7 Receptions
21 Subtotal
Walker, Javon DEN WR
at Raiders Sun 4:05 p.m. ET 0 2 Receptions
6 1 Receiving TDs
6 62 Receiving Yards
0 0 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)
0 2 Receptions
12 Subtotal
Smith, L.J. PHI TE
vs Redskins Sun 1:00 p.m. ET 0 1 Receptions
0 8 Receiving Yards
0 0 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent)
0 Subtotal
Vinatieri, Adam IND PK
vs Bills Sun 1:00 p.m. ET 2 2 Extra Points
3 31 yd Field Goal
5 Subtotal
Patriots, New England NEP Def
vs Jets Sun 1:00 p.m. ET 1 1 Sacked a QB
1 17 Total Points Allowed
2 1 Interceptions
1 278 Total Net Yards Allowed
5 Subtotal
112 Grand Total

Evenrude has 116...
I need five more points from Mushin to win...If this teams loses...refer to Jake's -6 today :(

-Slap-

11-12-2006, 11:43 PM

Sassy, you're fortunate they don't count special teams touchdowns in the Geek League, or I would have taken you down, 143 points and all.

:)

Sassy

11-13-2006, 12:00 AM

and I still have Foster! LOL!

Old Dude

11-13-2006, 01:44 PM

I need someone to T-Bone Steve Smith's limo on the way to the game tonight.

With him in it, of course.

Mile High Shack

11-13-2006, 01:47 PM

I need someone to T-Bone Steve Smith's limo on the way to the game tonight.

With him in it, of course.

can you put Jake Delhome in that car too?

ludo21

11-13-2006, 02:59 PM

well im out of any shot of a playoff birth.

Man i suck.

Sassy

11-13-2006, 03:02 PM

Hmmm...well, my OM team would have won if Jake didn't get a -6 for INT's.

Mile High Shack

11-14-2006, 09:50 AM

well my NPN team would've won if I would've drafted better

errrr...whups

Old Dude

11-14-2006, 11:09 AM

well im out of any shot of a playoff birth.

Man i suck.

Don't give up now! I threw yesterday's game just to keep things interesting!

Rascal

11-14-2006, 05:51 PM

hey,

I'm interested in trading Barlow and Harrison or Mason for a better RB (top 10 if Harrison). Send me an offer if you are interested.

Hotrod

11-15-2006, 10:12 AM

It looks bad for the "Hotrods worst team ever" I've got to win out and Rascal needs to choke twice whats the odds of that happening.....oh wait his team sucks like mine theres still hope ;)

Rascal

11-15-2006, 01:35 PM

Why do I feel like somebody is using voodoo magic?

I keep getting these incredibly sharp pains throughtout my body.

Pezman

11-15-2006, 03:05 PM

ludo21

11-15-2006, 03:10 PM

no worries Pezz, i couldnt do what you have with this league.

Always next year, and just like the man law says "If you end up missing the playoffs, you can count this as a rebuilding year"

Pezman

11-15-2006, 03:27 PM

Nah, Ludo, its all good. Its just hard sometimes to communicate to everyone and try to be as fair to everyone as possible. In the end, there will always be grumbling no matter what happens in trades. I guess I wouldnt mind seeing trades go buh bye altogether and go strickly on waivers sometimes. I know it would save Shack and I alot of headaches sometimes ;D

Mile High Shack

11-15-2006, 05:11 PM

I suck apparantly. Maybe next year I'll pass the baton to someone else. I'm burned out being commish lol
Sorry to all those who didnt like that last trade. There's always one or two duds that slip through. Oy!

d'oh well

don't let it bother you man

that's the way it goes

we actually have real lives we have to attend to first ;)

you don't suck, well at least I don't have personal first hand knowledge of that

DomCasual

11-15-2006, 06:56 PM

The trick next year will be anticipating the timing of the 40% Reebok sale a little better. Right after taking care of the winners' jerseys, you guys can put on your "Mile High Shack" and "Pezman" jerseys, and no one will be the wiser. :)

Rascal

11-16-2006, 03:26 PM

Got another trade for you Pezzy.

ØrangeÇrush

11-16-2006, 04:29 PM

I suck apparantly. Maybe next year I'll pass the baton to someone else. I'm burned out being commish lol
Sorry to all those who didnt like that last trade. There's always one or two duds that slip through. Oy!

until last week, Chad Johnson had scored a whopping 69 points on the year, which puts him worse than the 30 ranked WR. Even if he has an average week and scores 10 points giving him 79 on the year he would still have been ranked as the 27 WR. I traded McNabb for the #6 QB and a WR ranked in the 30's. Thats pretty damn fair. The fact that he blew up this week AFTER the agreed trade is no one fault.

Rascal

11-16-2006, 04:35 PM

until last week, Chad Johnson had scored a whopping 69 points on the year, which puts him worse than the 30 ranked WR. Even if he has an average week and scores 10 points giving him 79 on the year he would still have been ranked as the 27 WR. I traded McNabb for the #6 QB and a WR ranked in the 30's. Thats pretty damn fair. The fact that he blew up this week AFTER the agreed trade is no one fault.

That was part of the confusion, most people, including myself, thought it was agreed upon after the weekend games not before.

freak6

11-16-2006, 09:45 PM

Yo, can I get an update on how much deniero I got in the bank, I'm trying to decide of I need to buy my kid a jersey during the reebok sale or not????

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 08:55 AM

Yo, can I get an update on how much deniero I got in the bank, I'm trying to decide of I need to buy my kid a jersey during the reebok sale or not????

you are the smart one

take off your shoes and socks and start counting

either that or use a calculator if you can figure out dem fancy buttons

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 09:57 AM

UGH..........having LT on your team right now just sucks. I mean, think about it...if I have any hopes of winning this week I have to hope that LT has a great game. BUT, he's playing the Broncos...so, realistically, I hope he has a terrible game. Ultimately, I want our D to shut him down. So...I hope the rest of my team shows up this week....otherwise, I'm doomed!

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 10:14 AM

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 10:16 AM

Ya thats a major problem maybe you should trade him for a kicker ;D

Nice idea Hotrod!! ROFL! ^5

ludo21

11-17-2006, 10:17 AM

ill trade ya Clinton Portis for him.

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 10:22 AM

Oh, so sorry Ludo...You aren't in my league. Nice try on unloading him!

What's funny, in the OManePlayas league, I traded Portis for McGahee. Both are injured and not playing! ROFL!

heydensmom

11-17-2006, 11:30 AM

hehe STG I just got rid of Vick or else I'd help you out!!!

freak6

11-17-2006, 11:51 AM

Trades Trades Trades!!!

Commish, check the trade desk si vous plait!!!!!

freak6

11-17-2006, 12:09 PM

I don't understand why Desperados did that trade, they had an awesome lineup. Now they have too much depth that they can't play everyone.

Ahman, Deuce, Gore, M Drew
L Coles, Harrison, FItzgerald, and Chad Johnson

Tool gets a big upgrade though now having McNabb, LT, and LJ.

Laverous Coles??? What has he done besides have two big games? I wouldn't even start him. With Housh down and Chad Johnson awakened his value is way up. Fitz is back healthy and has a great matchup vs the Lions this week. Gore just had a huge week also. Ahman Green has a bum knee and is coming off 20 carries for 52 yards.

Not to mention LT gets the Broncos twice in 4 weeks, his value has to be graded down from here on out. Desperados is making a move for the playoffs after LT has carried him for 3 insane weeks. He is smart to move him now while his value is high, and he is getting substantial consistent performers that boost his chances of making the playoffs.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 12:14 PM

Please you were selling high on Chad JOhnson, Fitzgerald, and Gore and you know it.

freak6

11-17-2006, 12:18 PM

Please you were selling high on Chad JOhnson, Fitzgerald, and Gore and you know it.

I have more depth on my team that I know what to do with. That was an initial proposal. It's called bargaining. I am taking a huge risk putting all my WR eggs on a crackhead named Chris Henry and the tempermental hamstrings of Dante Stallworth. Keep your skirt on.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 12:21 PM

I didn't say it was a bad trade, I just don't know why quiettiger did it. And you don't have that much depth.

Don't get your panties all twisted.

freak6

11-17-2006, 12:25 PM

I didn't say it was a bad trade, I just don't know why quiettiger did it. And you don't have that much depth.

Don't get your panties all twisted.

I had the most depth of any team in fantasy. Maybe you should look at what team has scored the most points overall. Quiettiger did the trade for the reason I posted to your inital whining post that you have since deleted.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 12:28 PM

I had the most depth of any team in fantasy. Maybe you should look at what team has scored the most points overall. Quiettiger did the trade for the reason I posted to your inital whining post that you have since deleted.

I wasn't whining you dip****. I was just asking why, and your post doesn't answer it because it still doesn't make any sense. But what can one expect from your moronic ass.

And scoring in large amounts does not equate to having depth.

freak6

11-17-2006, 12:42 PM

I wasn't whining you dip****. I was just asking why, and your post doesn't answer it because it still doesn't make any sense. But what can one expect from your moronic ass.

And scoring in large amounts does not equate to having depth.

Once again, Rascal starts off with the namecalling. Not that I mind, but since everyone else on this site is trying to be cival, I will continue to point it out.

And yes it does make sense. You can't count on LT scoring massive points and carrying you to the playoffs, especially when facing the #1 scoring defense in the NFL twice in 4 weeks. I figured in a Denver Bronco fan league, I could leave that unsaid but perhaps your brain is set on semi rather than auto. That is exactly what I said. Desperados is making a move for the playoffs after LT has carried him for 3 insane weeks. He is smart to move him now while his value is high, and he is getting substantial consistent performers that boost his chances of making the playoffs.

Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem.

But I digress, you obviously know more about fantasy football than me.

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 12:58 PM

once again freak insults everyone

serious

does this jackass add any value to this board at all?

freak6

11-17-2006, 01:03 PM

once again freak insults everyone

serious

does this jackass add any value to this board at all?

LOL

I never insulted anyone, but Rascal did call me a dip___ and a moron. Now you called me a jackass. Yet.
once again freak insults everyone.

Geez, hate for the facts to get in your way, ONCE AGAIN.

Obviously you can't read either. Do I add any value to this board, about 10 times as much as someone who in face of logic and facts turns toward lowering themselves to below scum level and slandering another posters GF. Who does that?

You are the LAST person to be playing class police you hypocrite.

No one on this board has ever sunk lower than you Shack.

Now go write your fake blog about the Fantasy Football League I am dominating.

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 01:08 PM

LOL

I never insulted anyone, but Rascal did call me a dip___ and a moron. Now you called me a jackass. Yet.

Geez, hate for the facts to get in your way, ONCE AGAIN.

Obviously you can't read either. Do I add any value to this board, about 10 times as much as someone who in face of logic and facts turns toward lowering themselves to below scum level and slandering another posters GF. Who does that?

You are the LAST person to be playing class police you hypocrite.

No one on this board has ever sunk lower than you Shack.

Now go write your fake blog about the Fantasy Football League I am dominating.

you are dominating like I dominated my toilet this morning

I stood over it and went YOU LIKE THAT!!!

no, trust me, if it was up to me, you'd be banned, you add zero value to this board, you all are about insults and shouting the loudest to prove a point

your act is tired and old and I'm done with you...don't bother responding b/c quite frankly your little 12 year old act has grown boring and I don't like making my little monkey dance anymore

it was fun making you dance for awhile, but it's old now......dance monkey..dance!!

Pezman

11-17-2006, 01:16 PM

freak6

11-17-2006, 01:20 PM

you all are about insults
LOL
You are the biggest hypocrite on the planet. Your parents/wife/family/child would be so ashamed to call you family after what you were writing about my gf.

You are a scumbag Shack, and that is not an opinion.

That is a fact.

I would NEVER sink to your level. NEVER.

Of course you won't admit to being wrong, and that Rascal and you insulted me, and all I did was address his posts.

You aren't a man, a man can admit when he is wrong. You obviously had a traumatic childhood and feel empowered by being able to insult from a distance because you feel no threat from authority here, but everyone who read the lies and BS you posted about my innocent GF showed your true self.

A scumbag with no class.

Now go write your blog about the Fantasy League I am going to win.

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 01:23 PM

LOL
You are the biggest hypocrite on the planet. Your parents/wife/family/child would be so ashamed to call you family after what you were writing about my gf.

You are a scumbag Shack, and that is not an opinion.

That is a fact.

I would NEVER sink to your level. NEVER.

Of course you won't admit to being wrong, and that Rascal and you insulted me, and all I did was address his posts.

You aren't a man, a man can admit when he is wrong. You obviously had a traumatic childhood and feel empowered by being able to insult from a distance because you feel no threat from authority here, but everyone who read the lies and BS you posted about my innocent GF showed your true self.

A scumbag with no class.

Now go write your blog about the Fantasy League I am going to win.

master of puppets I'm pulling your string

http://www.rockagogo.com/image/big/SW142-metallica-master-of-puppets-dos.jpg

Rascal

11-17-2006, 01:24 PM

Hey Pez,

How long will waivers stay open? I can't remember.

Pezman

11-17-2006, 01:26 PM

Gents, keep it off the thread. I wont tolerate any more stupidity on this thread unless its comes from Ludo or DomCasual's wimpy teams ;D

freak6

11-17-2006, 01:28 PM

Freak, its one thing to talk friendly smack in this league, but you are again becoming over the top. Not a great way to get yourself invited back next year IMO. Take it down a notch and remember we're having fun.

As for the trade, we'll put it in the vote process and get back with you and Quiettiger tomorrow morning.
Also, I'm not sure about how much you've earned so far, but when the season is over, Shack issues the gift certificates, so we'll let you know in late-December how much you've made. Sorry I cant give you a definitive answer but I dont have time to look it up today.

I am over the top. Perhaps YOU should go back and look at the posts and see who insulted who first. And why does my trade have to go to a vote? You guys let some other questionable trades go through. I am selling my depth for one guy facing the #1 Defense in the NFL twice in 4 weeks.

How am I over the top. Rascal calls me a dip____ and a moron. What did I call him?

What?

Nothing. Then Shack comes in with more insults, and YOU CALL ME OVER THE TOP!!!
LOL

You gotta be kidding me.

As far as the certificates, that is just hilarious that Shack is in charge of issuing him. The guy has no class whatsoever. He's probably already spent my money.

In the accounting it says I have won 2 weeks of the $10.00 for high points.

That is wrong. Who is your accountant? I hope not Shack. I have won 4 weeks for having the division high points. Then I only get $20.00 for taking survivor...whatever. What is the winner of the other contest getting. It's pretty obvious you guys were just making up the values as you went along. And just because cocky Freakzilla has the best team, you guys appear to be conspiring against him.

That is how it appears to me. Your league's credibility is already low with me anyway.

Me over the TOP, that is absurd. Perhaps you need some reading comprehension as well Pez, if you look back you see Rascal came after me first with the personal insults, and I TURNED THE OTHER CHEEK!!!

What a joke.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 01:28 PM

Gents, keep it off the thread. I wont tolerate any more stupidity on this thread unless its comes from Ludo, Mean Machine, Big Brown Balls or DomCasual's wimpy teams ;D

fixed.

freak6

11-17-2006, 01:30 PM

Gents, keep it off the thread. I wont tolerate any more stupidity on this thread unless its comes from Ludo or DomCasual's wimpy teams ;D

You need to address Rascal and Shack, not me.

Pezman

11-17-2006, 01:31 PM

Hey Pez,

How long will waivers stay open? I can't remember.

Waivers close at the end of the regular season I believe Rascal. But I'll have to check the league calendar to be sure.

Ok gents, I'm out for the day. Be good to each other. (Unless you're talking to Hotrod, then you can talk as much **** and laugh at him) :thumbsup:

Rascal

11-17-2006, 01:33 PM

The accounting isn't kept up to date, apparently you are too stupid, yeap another insult but it's too obvious not to state, to realize that nobody else's accounting has been added.

And yes Shack has spent all your money. He bought your GF a nice teddy. You'll never see it.

Pezman

11-17-2006, 01:34 PM

I am over the top. Perhaps YOU should go back and look at the posts and see who insulted who first. And why does my trade have to go to a vote? You guys let some other questionable trades go through. I am selling my depth for one guy facing the #1 Defense in the NFL twice in 4 weeks.

How am I over the top. Rascal calls me a dip____ and a moron. What did I call him?

What?

Nothing. Then Shack comes in with more insults, and YOU CALL ME OVER THE TOP!!!
LOL

You gotta be kidding me.

As far as the certificates, that is just hilarious that Shack is in charge of issuing him. The guy has no class whatsoever. He's probably already spent my money.

In the accounting it says I have won 2 weeks of the $10.00 for high points.

That is wrong. Who is your accountant? I hope not Shack. I have won 4 weeks for having the division high points. Then I only get $20.00 for taking survivor...whatever. What is the winner of the other contest getting. It's pretty obvious you guys were just making up the values as you went along. And just because cocky Freakzilla has the best team, you guys appear to be conspiring against him.

That is how it appears to me. Your league's credibility is already low with me anyway.

Me over the TOP, that is absurd. Perhaps you need some reading comprehension as well Pez, if you look back you see Rascal came after me first with the personal insults, and I TURNED THE OTHER CHEEK!!!

What a joke.

You're right Kristian, we're gonna go ahead and offer you a refund today then. You can have the money you've already won and your original fee back. We'll auto-run the team for the rest of the season then. Is this what you want?

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 01:34 PM

I am over the top. Perhaps YOU should go back and look at the posts and see who insulted who first. And why does my trade have to go to a vote? You guys let some other questionable trades go through. I am selling my depth for one guy facing the #1 Defense in the NFL twice in 4 weeks.

How am I over the top. Rascal calls me a dip____ and a moron. What did I call him?

What?

Nothing. Then Shack comes in with more insults, and YOU CALL ME OVER THE TOP!!!
LOL

You gotta be kidding me.

As far as the certificates, that is just hilarious that Shack is in charge of issuing him. The guy has no class whatsoever. He's probably already spent my money.

In the accounting it says I have won 2 weeks of the $10.00 for high points.

That is wrong. Who is your accountant? I hope not Shack. I have won 4 weeks for having the division high points. Then I only get $20.00 for taking survivor...whatever. What is the winner of the other contest getting. It's pretty obvious you guys were just making up the values as you went along. And just because cocky Freakzilla has the best team, you guys appear to be conspiring against him.

That is how it appears to me. Your league's credibility is already low with me anyway.

Me over the TOP, that is absurd. Perhaps you need some reading comprehension as well Pez, if you look back you see Rascal came after me first with the personal insults, and I TURNED THE OTHER CHEEK!!!

What a joke.

this is kind of over the top, to accuse me of stealing money and then also attacking Pez's credibility and honor too

be careful

you are walking a very thin line here now

Rascal

11-17-2006, 01:35 PM

Sorry Pez. I'll be nice and ignore freak. :)

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 01:36 PM

freak6

11-17-2006, 01:43 PM

this is kind of over the top, to accuse me of stealing money and then also attacking Pez's credibility and honor too

be careful

you are walking a very thin line here now

You have gone off the deep end showing a complete lack of class slandering and attacking my GF.

And yet you claim to have HONOR!!!

You don't know the MEANING OF THE WORD shack. You have NO HONOR.
NONE.

ZERO.

ZILCH.

YOU ARE A SCUMBAG shack.

Be careful?

Ooh, now you are threatening me!!! LMFAO!!!

Hey Rascal, if you're right about the accounting, how come it shows that I have the high points for weeks 5 and 10, but not week 1 or 7. That screams of POOR accounting, like Enron style.

You're right Kristian, we're gonna go ahead and offer you a refund today then. You can have the money you've already won and your original fee back. We'll auto-run the team for the rest of the season then. Is this what you want?

No. I have the best team, and I am gonna win the league. What I want is some simple explanations why the accounting is wrong, and why my trade has to go to a vote. Rascal even said it isn't a bad trade. On paper to the layman, I can see how it might raise his eyebrows, but looking at the schedule and thinking DEEPER about it, it makes sense and is more of a risk for me than him.

freak6

11-17-2006, 01:45 PM

And yes Shack has spent all your money. He bought your GF a nice teddy. You'll never see it.

Another class post by Rascal.

I am sure Pezman will tell me to cool it off because I am over the top when Rascal just posted more absurdity bringing my GF into what should be a simple explanation.

Rascal and Shack deserve eachother.

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 01:45 PM

There was a trade?

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 01:46 PM

You're right Kristian, we're gonna go ahead and offer you a refund today then. You can have the money you've already won and your original fee back. We'll auto-run the team for the rest of the season then. Is this what you want?

Id gladly take over his team & you can just burn my trash heap of a team ;D

Freak your sounding like a 8 year old stop already

Rascal

11-17-2006, 01:47 PM

Freak seriously.

Look at the rest of the leagues. You will notice nobody in the NPN or OM league have had their accounting adjusted to reflect high scores or pool picks.

Relax. If you don't trust Shack then you need to go ahead and ask for a refund and leave the league. Shack has always been in charge of the financing, and there have been no issues. If you hate him so much to bitch about it this much then you need to leave.

You didn't have a problem paying shack at the beginning of the year, but now you do...weird.

At the end of the year all the high scores will be added up along with all the pool and survivor winners and the certs will be given out. If you disagree with the amoutn you get then you can complain about. But to bitch about it now is childish and stupid.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 01:48 PM

From what I've heard its not Shack we need to watch but Champ Ha!

Ok Im out of this hahahaha

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 01:49 PM

You have gone off the deep end showing a complete lack of class slandering and attacking my GF.

And yet you claim to have HONOR!!!

You don't know the MEANING OF THE WORD shack. You have NO HONOR.
NONE.

ZERO.

ZILCH.

YOU ARE A SCUMBAG shack.

Be careful?

Ooh, now you are threatening me!!! LMFAO!!!

Hey Rascal, if you're right about the accounting, how come it shows that I have the high points for weeks 5 and 10, but not week 1 or 7. That screams of POOR accounting, like Enron style.

No. I have the best team, and I am gonna win the league. What I want is some simple explanations why the accounting is wrong, and why my trade has to go to a vote. Rascal even said it isn't a bad trade. On paper to the layman, I can see how it might raise his eyebrows, but looking at the schedule and thinking DEEPER about it, it makes sense and is more of a risk for me than him.

whatever you think of me, fine

if you think making fun of you for your fake stories about your GF and Champ Bailey equates me to no honor, fine

but when you accuse Pez and I of cheating people out of money, you have crossed the line

ask everyone from last year if they received all of their money....besides I don't owe you any explanation.

just be warned, accusing pez and I of stealing money is a line you just dont' want to cross

this is not a physical threat, don't misunderstand me, no internet tough guy act.

I'm talking about your fantasy football team here.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 01:51 PM

There was a trade?

It hasn't gone through but yes there was a trade with Quiettiger and Freak6. It's a fair trade.

Basically freak gets LT and 3 scrubs, while quiettiger gets Gore, C Johnson, Fitzgerald, and MDJ.

freak6

11-17-2006, 01:52 PM

Freak your sounding like a 8 year old stop already

You don't understand Hotrod, Quiettiger is in Iraq fighting the good fight for all of us. He doesn't have access to the internet all the time like us. He rarely does in fact. This trade is fair, and logical for both teams. But if it is voted down we need time to make it "fair" in the eyes of the BIASED voters, whoever the hell that is.

Who votes on trades? I never had a chance to. In most league you get a chance to. Here it's just approved, and afterwards people btch about it.

Real credible there. Can someone explain to me how the voting on trades goes?

Obviously someone did some accounting for weeks 5 and 10, but my high points in week 1 and 7 got convientently forgotten, at least that is how it apprears to me.

Can someone explain? Who is the accountant?. What biased people vote on the trades?

Pezman

11-17-2006, 01:52 PM

Freak, at this point, I'm about ready to give that refund. I expect an apology for your actions at this point. I take this league very seriously and have worked really hard for over three years in making sure it has the highest standards possible. If you question this, then perhaps it ISNT the league for you.
Frankly I dont care what you and Rascal and Shack flame each other with while posting. But testing the credibility of the league itself? I take that very personally and will not tolerate that abuse considering the time and effort we put forth in this league.

Now, please, take the high road, swallow that pride and offer up a truce with everyone or expect to be done with this league today. I'm sorry its come to this but you are hell-bent on pushing this matter to the brink.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 01:55 PM

It hasn't gone through but yes there was a trade with Quiettiger and Freak6. It's a fair trade.

Basically freak gets LT and 3 scrubs, while quiettiger gets Gore, C Johnson, Fitzgerald, and MDJ.

That looks like a fair trade to me. Personally I'd rather have LT then those others but to each their own.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 01:56 PM

You don't understand Hotrod, Quiettiger is in Iraq fighting the good fight for all of us. He doesn't have access to the internet all the time like us. He rarely does in fact. This trade is fair, and logical for both teams. But if it is voted down we need time to make it "fair" in the eyes of the BIASED voters, whoever the hell that is.

Who votes on trades? I never had a chance to. In most league you get a chance to. Here it's just approved, and afterwards people btch about it.

Real credible there. Can someone explain to me how the voting on trades goes?

Obviously someone did some accounting for weeks 5 and 10, but my high points in week 1 and 7 got convientently forgotten, at least that is how it apprears to me.

Can someone explain? Who is the accountant?. What biased people vote on the trades?

Read the rules freak.

Shack and Pez are the co-commishes and they are the deciding factor on trades.

Shack is the accountant.

It's never been suggested that the trade should not go through Freak. Nobody once said it was an unfair trade. We were just curious as to why quiettiger did it, but that has no influence on whether it will go through or not.

freak6

11-17-2006, 01:56 PM

whatever you think of me, fine

if you think making fun of you for your fake stories about your GF and Champ Bailey equates me to no honor, fine

this is not a physical threat, don't misunderstand me, no internet tough guy act.

I'm talking about your fantasy football team here.

Your right, fake stories...LOL

YOU HAVE NO HONOR Mile Hi Scum.

Why would I assume that someone that has demonstrated a complete LACK OF CLASS and HONOR would honor $ owed, to me noless?

Rascal

11-17-2006, 01:57 PM

That looks like a fair trade to me. Personally I'd rather have LT then those others but to each their own.

It is a fair trade, that's never been in doubt.

I was just curious as to why quiettiger did it because I thought his team was better for the trade. The only trades that will be voted against are trades that are so obviously one sided that collusion is apparent.

freak6

11-17-2006, 01:59 PM

Rascal

11-17-2006, 01:59 PM

Your right, fake stories...LOL

YOU HAVE NO HONOR Mile Hi Scum.

Why would I assume that someone that has demonstrated a complete LACK OF CLASS and HONOR would honor $ owed, to me noless?

because contrary to what you think Shack does have honor and class, and despite your differences you would get the certs, not $$ in this league, that you are owed.

freak6

11-17-2006, 02:01 PM

It is a fair trade, that's never been in doubt.

I was just curious as to why quiettiger did it because I thought his team was better for the trade. The only trades that will be voted against are trades that are so obviously one sided that collusion is apparent.

Totally agreed, and I explained to you the logic behind the trade. And you started the flaming Rascal, then your buddy Mile Hi Scum jumped in.

Pez - I have been taking the High Road here btw. Review the thread.

Pezman

11-17-2006, 02:03 PM

Freak, read my last post over again. This will be the end of my contribution to this stupidity today. If you dont abide by my suggestion, then you know the ramifications. Have a good day gents.

freak6

11-17-2006, 02:04 PM

because contrary to what you think Shack does have honor and class, and despite your differences you would get the certs, not $$ in this league, that you are owed.

Well when I took survivor, and nothing was posted about the $ won, my eyebrows were raised, and it became apparent that as much time and effort that obviously went into this league, they weren't prepared for that to happen. As you can see, the accounting shows high score money for 2 weeks, but not 2 others. This again raises my eyebrows. Who is the accountant.

Why even have the accounting page?

Thanks for the explanation on the voting procedures, I couldn't find them.

All I am asking for is some accountability.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 02:04 PM

So does this mean no ramblings this week??? That sucks since I finally won a game, scored more then 100 pts, and wont be the other teams MVP for once Ha!

Rascal

11-17-2006, 02:05 PM

Totally agreed, and I explained to you the logic behind the trade. And you started the flaming Rascal, then your buddy Mile Hi Scum jumped in.

Pez - I have been taking the High Road here btw. Review the thread.

You said I was whinning, when it's obviously clear that I wasn't. Did I perhaps overreact a bit and call you some names? Maybe, but then you decided to jump off the cliff by insulting the league itself and it's credibility.

If you hate the league this much, and don't trust Shack with the $$, then you need to ask for a refund and get out. Either do that, or shut the **** up. Simple as that, it's your choice.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 02:08 PM

Well when I took survivor, and nothing was posted about the $ won, my eyebrows were raised, and it became apparent that as much time and effort that obviously went into this league, they weren't prepared for that to happen. As you can see, the accounting shows high score money for 2 weeks, but not 2 others. This again raises my eyebrows. Who is the accountant.

Why even have the accounting page?

Thanks for the explanation on the voting procedures, I couldn't find them.

All I am asking for is some accountability.

Dude sorry man but its bitching like this that makes being a commish in any league a ****ty job. Why dont you wait till the season is over and then if you dont get the prizes etc that you feel you are due then bring up the issue. Nothing is paid out until the smoke clears anyway. Give the people who are nice enough to run the operation a freaking break man. I dont see you giving your time for the enjoyment of the others. Just relax and enjoy the ride. Hell you could be stuck with a sorry *** team like mine ;D

Rascal

11-17-2006, 02:09 PM

Well when I took survivor, and nothing was posted about the $ won, my eyebrows were raised, and it became apparent that as much time and effort that obviously went into this league, they weren't prepared for that to happen. As you can see, the accounting shows high score money for 2 weeks, but not 2 others. This again raises my eyebrows. Who is the accountant.

Why even have the accounting page?

Thanks for the explanation on the voting procedures, I couldn't find them.

All I am asking for is some accountability.

So the ammount won for survivor wasn't posted immediately. Big freaking deal.

The accounting page is part of the myfantasyleague website, just like cbssportsline. There is no choice but to have it.

Keep track of what you think your winnings are, and then when you get your certs at the end of the year you can complain if they are not the same.

Again, if you don't trust Shack and Pez to do the league and keep track of the money, then you need to ask for a refund and leave. Otherwise shut up.

freak6

11-17-2006, 02:16 PM

because contrary to what you think Shack does have honor and class.

LOL

Yeah, both of you really showed alot attacking my innocent gf over and over.

Hey Pez, is this where I apologize for insulting Rascal and Mile Hi Scum's family, wife, children?

Oh wait, I never went there did I. hmmm...

Is this where I apologize for calling Rascal and Shack a dip____, a moron, and a jackass?

Oh wait, I never went there did I. hmmm...

Is this where I apologize for asking why the accounting table is totally inaccurate as well as the week long delay while the commisioners debated how much $ Freak won for taking Survivor?

Do you think it is credible to put together a spread sheet that shows how much money a team has won, and have it show some of the winnings but not other winnings?

I graduated from with Business Degree from C.U., and my professors would not call that credible accounting.

Everyone here has said the trade was fair, but it is going to take a full day to determine that? Quiettiger is in a WARZONE, I don't understand the delay? Can someone explain?

Rascal

11-17-2006, 02:20 PM

LOL

Freak you just don't get it.

You didn't ask about teh accounting table, you insulted the leagues integrity because of it. Instead of simply asking, "why does the accounting only show me high scorer for two weeks instead of 4?" you went off the deep end and insulted the leagues credibility. Real smart there freak.

Shut teh **** up and wait till the season is over for your damn winnings.

Quiettiger being in a warzone has no influence on the trade going through, and in case you haven't noticed it there is almost always a delay in getting trades to go through.

And you have yet to address the fact that you had no problem giving shack your money at the beginning of the year, but now you do. Care to explain that?

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 02:23 PM

LOL

Yeah, both of you really showed alot attacking my innocent gf over and over.

Hey Pez, is this where I apologize for insulting Rascal and Mile Hi Scum's family, wife, children?

Oh wait, I never went there did I. hmmm...

Is this where I apologize for calling Rascal and Shack a dip____, a moron, and a jackass?

Oh wait, I never went there did I. hmmm...

Is this where I apologize for asking why the accounting table is totally inaccurate as well as the week long delay while the commisioners debated how much $ Freak won for taking Survivor?

Do you think it is credible to put together a spread sheet that shows how much money a team has won, and have it show some of the winnings but not other winnings?

I graduated from with Business Degree from C.U., and my professors would not call that credible accounting.

Everyone here has said the trade was fair, but it is going to take a full day to determine that? Quiettiger is in a WARZONE, I don't understand the delay? Can someone explain?

the accounting page has never been updated

ask people from last year if they received their gift certificates and you'll see that they did.

to top it off, freak, Pez has taken hits out of his OWN pockets b/c some people did not pay the dues to begin with

If we were in this to make money we would do more than that trust me and Pez sure as heck wouldn't take a hit out of his own wallet for people not paying their dues

freak6

11-17-2006, 02:24 PM

So the ammount won for survivor wasn't posted immediately. Big freaking deal.

Well for the winner is was pretty peculiar, and raised eyebrows. Put yourself in my shoes.

The accounting page is part of the myfantasyleague website, just like cbssportsline. There is no choice but to have it.
That's fine, but it is not credible. That is all I asked Pez, why is it wrong? Someone put some of the money in there, but I have had high points 4 weeks not 2, I didn't btch, I just asked what's up with that. I think that is a fair question.

Keep track of what you think your winnings are, and then when you get your certs at the end of the year you can complain if they are not the same.

I am, but as I said, the accounting page is wrong. If it was blank, I wouldn't care. But when it shows some weeks, but not others, I think you can see how it raises questions. All I did is ask what's up with that. Accountability on the accounting page, is that to much to ask? I never recieved a response from Pez about this issue.

And with the trade deadline fast approaching...Quiettiger and I don't have time to wait until tommorow to put together another trade if the voters vote it down.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 02:25 PM

Speaking of dues, who hasn't paid yet Shack?

We need to get on those people to pay up.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 02:29 PM

Well for the winner is was pretty peculiar, and raised eyebrows. Put yourself in my shoes.

That's fine, but it is not credible. That is all I asked Pez, why is it wrong? Someone put some of the money in there, but I have had high points 4 weeks not 2, I didn't btch, I just asked what's up with that. I think that is a fair question.

I am, but as I said, the accounting page is wrong. If it was blank, I wouldn't care. But when it shows some weeks, but not others, I think you can see how it raises questions. All I did is ask what's up with that. Accountability on the accounting page, is that to much to ask? I never recieved a response from Pez about this issue.

And with the trade deadline fast approaching...Quiettiger and I don't have time to wait until tommorow to put together another trade if the voters vote it down.

No you bitched.

If you want it expedited you should have asked instead of going into this tirade of yours.

Again leave if you don't find the league credible enough for you. You would be doing all of us a favor with your continuous bitching and moaning.

THe commish's haven't updated the accoutnign page, it was done by the league's software. But there is a glitch in it due to the # of people in thsi league, hence the reason it is not complete of accurate.

I won the high scorer in the geek league last year and my winnings were not immediately posted, but i didn't accuse Shack or Pez (the commishes of that league as well) of not beign credible.

You need to learn a thing called tact. I'd suggest you learn that skill before you to officer training.

freak6

11-17-2006, 02:29 PM

Quiettiger being in a warzone has no influence on the trade going through, and in case you haven't noticed it there is almost always a delay in getting trades to go through.

And you have yet to address the fact that you had no problem giving shack your money at the beginning of the year, but now you do. Care to explain that?

The trade deadline is upon us. A simple thumbs up or down takes a few seconds, especially when we all see it is a fair trade.

As far as giving the money I was giving it to the league, and since then Mile Hi Scum has displayed a complete lack of class and honor to anyone who observed his disgusting and slanderous postings about my GF.

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 02:30 PM

Speaking of dues, who hasn't paid yet Shack?

We need to get on those people to pay up.

well, we are taking care of that behind the scenes, some still haven't.

and freak, I'd just like you to know, I never imagined that I wouldn't pay any of your winnings out, that's just what I do, I dont short change people.

if you can't see a difference between making fun of your champ bailey stories and how you are questioning the orange mane league fantasy site, then I don't know what to tell you.

I'm sorry that you think I'm someone who woul steal money

Pezman

11-17-2006, 02:33 PM

Well when I took survivor, and nothing was posted about the $ won, my eyebrows were raised, and it became apparent that as much time and effort that obviously went into this league, they weren't prepared for that to happen.

Freak, I'm sorry, but you have officially forced the issue. We are offering you a refund for your entrance fee and will issue you a gift certificate for your current winnings.

I simply will not tolerate the questioning of the integrity of this league nor its staff simply to comfort your every whim. Frankly I am very disappointed in your actions not only as a member of this community, but as person I've tried to be friends with in the past. Its unfortunate that we do this, but there was simply no other alternative given.

Again, your fight with other members of the forum is one thing, but you are confusing that with the attack you laid on the intergrity of this league. I'm sorry to do this, but there is simply no other option that I can see that would solve this issue.

Once again, you will be issued a refund for your league entrance fee and given a gift certificate for your year-to-date winnings.

freak6

11-17-2006, 02:33 PM

No you b****ed.

If you want it expedited you should have asked instead of going into this tirade of yours.
http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359169&postcount=1282

Commish, check the trade desk si vous plait!!!!!

THe commish's haven't updated the accoutnign page, it was done by the league's software.

But there is a glitch in it due to the # of people in thsi league, hence the reason it is not complete of accurate.

That is what I asked Pez in a PM Rascal. He never answered. I wasn't stressing it at all anyway. But I asked Pez because I was trying to see if I should buy my son a jersey during the reebok sale, or just use these certificates for his b-day in January.

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 02:34 PM

constantly and it never bothered him before

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 02:40 PM

freak6

11-17-2006, 02:40 PM

if you can't see a difference between making fun of your champ bailey stories and how you are questioning the orange mane league fantasy site, then I don't know what to tell you.

I'm sorry that you think I'm someone who woul steal money

You displayed a complete lack of class and honor with your BS, and never once apologized for it. You are a scumbag Shack.

Pez - I asked you questions about the accounting, I never got an answer. I got fkd with over and over about winning survivor. You and Shack played games with me about the amounts of winnings.

You have to understand YOU put the credibility of the league in question in MY eyes while you and shack debated how much to give me for winning Survivor.

There would have been less questions if you had stated how much someone would get beforehand. That is on YOU. Not me. I feel I deserve to know how much I won. Do I not?

I never questioned your integrity. I just wanted simple answers. 

How much have I won? Who votes on the trades? Not a big deal.

As far as question Mile Hi Scum's integrity, I have every right to do so.

Noone in this forum has ever sunk so low as he did. He demonstrated no class, and no honor.

freak6

11-17-2006, 02:45 PM

IMO Freak is getting bum rushed here. Im not saying it is not deserved but maybe just a timeout would be in order everyone step back.

Freak dude alot of us in the league and the mane are friends what do you expect when you attack them???

No doubt. Rascal and Shack started all the personal attacks, and Pez says I am over the top. Hotrod, I didn't attack them, they attacked me.

As far as the BS about Champ, dude had the hots for my GF, what can I say, she is hot as hell. I'm proud of it. But there is no err or whatever to speak about LOL.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 02:48 PM

I think you all need to take a 10 minute 2 beer time out and then try resolving the issues.

IMO Freak is getting bum rushed here. Im not saying it is not deserved but maybe just a timeout would be in order everyone step back.

Freak dude alot of us in the league and the mane are friends what do you expect when you attack them??? Just chill the F out. Also its just my opinon but if Champ was err umm whatever I would not tell the world about it thats just me.

Hotrod there is nothing to resolve.

He has insulted the leagues credibility and integrity, and Pez won't tolerate that. He told freak he wouldn't tolerate it and to stop it, and freak continued.

As I'm sure you know Pez is extremely level headed and laid back, to go to this measure he obviously felt he had no choice.

Pezman

11-17-2006, 02:48 PM

Freak, its semantics at this point. I'm sorry we have to do this but you left me no choice. Its unfortunate to do this and I would rather have not done it, but there was just no alternative. You'll be issued a gift certificate for your for your team's year-to-date winnings and given your refund for the league. Sorry.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 02:50 PM

Can I have his team ;)

freak6

11-17-2006, 02:56 PM

Freak, Sorry.

LOL

Did you guys play games with me about the Survivor money?

Yes.

Does that lend credibility to your league, or not?

No.

Did Shack show a complete lack of class and honor slandering my girlfriend with BS and lies?

Yes.

Is the accounting page accurate and credible?

No.

Did I ask for an explanation?

Yes.

And did I get one?

No.

If I insulted your wife over and over and over with slanderous lies showing a complete lack of class and honor, would you have the utmost trust in me giving you money I owe you?

No.

Who insulted who on this thread?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359222&postcount=1288
http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359260&postcount=1290

Rascal and Shack did.

Who took the high road and refused to respond in kind?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359244&postcount=1289

Freak did.

Then who came in and called out Freak6 for being over the top?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359288&postcount=1293

Pezman did.

I'm sorry if you think I insulted your integrity Pezman, but I do not deserve to be kicked out of the league for politely asking you to check the trade desk.

Then being insulted multiple times by Rascal and Shack, and again they attack my innocent GF, to which I have once again turned the other cheek. As if I would ever, EVER stoop so low.

You and Shack's actions in regards to Survivor made the league less credible in my eyes, and no matter what you think, it is in the eye of the beholder's that matters. If you put yourself in my shoes, you would see how it was very questionable, and the long delay made the process of how you were awarding the prizes made me question the credibility of the process.

And you know that it did.

Perception is reality, I'm sure Rascal has heard of that one. It is a saying we use in the Marines, and what Shack has demonstrated speaks volumes about his lack of class and honor.

It is to bad you take it so personal. It is not MY fault that I question the credibility of the league.

But if you and Shack had never given me a reason to question the credibility of the league,

(like the unanswered questions about the accounting page, the way the survivor payout was mysteriously decided, and now with a fair trade of mine going to a delayed vote the date of the trade deadline when one of us is in Iraq fighting a war)

I wouldn't be, would I?

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 02:57 PM

No doubt. Rascal and Shack started all the personal attacks, and Pez says I am over the top. Hotrod, I didn't attack them, they attacked me.

As far as the BS about Champ, dude had the hots for my GF, what can I say, she is hot as hell. I'm proud of it. But there is no err or whatever to speak about LOL.

look, at this point it doesn't matter anymore

but I'd like to point out for others in the league

integrity is not liking someone, but still being honest enough to pay what they are due, which is what I was going to do and will do.

question me, call me a scumbag, whatever, but don't question the league

Rascal

11-17-2006, 03:00 PM

Freak just doesn't understand tact or when to stop.

Maybe those things can be taught in time or at officer training he is supposedly going to.

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 03:12 PM

Can I have his team ;)

http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/ACS/pdAFACS0002.jpg

You'd just put your eye out with it, hotrod.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 03:13 PM

http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/ACS/pdAFACS0002.jpg

You'd just put your eye out with it, hotrod.

LOL your prolly right

freak6

11-17-2006, 03:27 PM

look, at this point it doesn't matter anymore

integrity is not liking someone, but still being honest enough to pay what they are due, which is what I was going to do and will do.

question me, call me a scumbag, whatever, but don't question the league

It does matter Mile High Scub. You insulted me and my gf over and over, and I took the high road.

Pez demonstrated his obvious bias coming in and telling me I am over the top, when it was you and Rascal going off.
http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.ph...postcount=1288
http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.ph...postcount=1290

Who took the high road and refused to respond in kind?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.ph...postcount=1289

Freak did.

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.ph...postcount=1293

You and Pez brought those questions upon yourself with YOUR ACTIONS. All I needed was simple answers.

If I demonstrated a complete lack of class and honor to you, over and over and over, would you trust me with your money?

I don't draw a line between posting slanderous lies about my gf and paying out. Perception is reality. Perhaps you should take a long look at yourself Scumbag.

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 03:33 PM

WOW....you have a point to prove...and it's funny, because noone cares.

Maybe it's time you take it private and stop defacing this thread with all the garbage.

freak6

11-17-2006, 03:35 PM

What is so funny, by railroading Freak out of the league for questioning the credibility of league that takes a week to decide how much to pay out for a Survivor contest, a league that delays a vote on a simple and fair trade made on the day of the trading deadline to after the deadline, a league whose accountability page is completely erroneous yet goes unexplained to the leagues point leader, a league whose accountant has a personal grudge with the leagues leader and has demonstrated a complete lack of class and honor to the leagues leader....

You have just ruined the credibility of it even more...lmfao!!!

Freak, Sorry.

LOL

Did you guys play games with me about the Survivor money?

Yes.

Does that lend credibility to your league, or not?

No.

Did Shack show a complete lack of class and honor slandering my girlfriend with BS and lies?

Yes.

Is the accounting page accurate and credible?

No.

Did I ask for an explanation?

Yes.

And did I get one?

No.

If I insulted your wife over and over and over with slanderous lies showing a complete lack of class and honor, would you have the utmost trust in me giving you money I owe you?

No.

Who insulted who on this thread?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359222&postcount=1288
http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359260&postcount=1290

Rascal and Shack did.

Who took the high road and refused to respond in kind?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359244&postcount=1289

Freak did.

Then who came in and called out Freak6 for being over the top?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359288&postcount=1293

Pezman did.

I'm sorry if you think I insulted your integrity Pezman, but I do not deserve to be kicked out of the league for politely asking you to check the trade desk.

Then being insulted multiple times by Rascal and Shack, and again they attack my innocent GF, to which I have once again turned the other cheek. As if I would ever, EVER stoop so low.

You and Shack's actions in regards to Survivor made the league less credible in my eyes, and no matter what you think, it is in the eye of the beholder's that matters. If you put yourself in my shoes, you would see how it was very questionable, and the long delay made the process of how you were awarding the prizes made me question the credibility of the process.

And you know that it did.

Perception is reality, I'm sure Rascal has heard of that one. It is a saying we use in the Marines, and what Shack has demonstrated speaks volumes about his lack of class and honor.

It is to bad you take it so personal. It is not MY fault that I question the credibility of the league.

But if you and Shack had never given me a reason to question the credibility of the league,

(like the unanswered questions about the accounting page, the way the survivor payout was mysteriously decided, and now with a fair trade of mine going to a delayed vote the date of the trade deadline when one of us is in Iraq fighting a war)

I wouldn't be, would I?

freak6

11-17-2006, 03:42 PM

LOL I got booted out of a league for questioning the credibility of it after the obvious errors it has. That and the fact the accountant has displayed a complete lack of class and honor towards me. To which I have never sunk to. Some simple answers would have been fine.

That is a really fair and credible thing to do Pez. lmfao!!!

How dare I question the credibility of Pez and Shack? Where is that in the rules? That noone can question why it took a week to decide how much to pay out for the contests, but it is fair for Shack and Pez to play childish games with Freak about how much he won, yet the integrity and credibility of the league SHOULD NEVER BE HELD IN QUESTION after that fiasco...

Right...

LOL

heydensmom

11-17-2006, 04:05 PM

Damn go to the movies and come back to this...I should have just made popcorn at home and saved some money....LOL

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 04:09 PM

You aren't working today?? UGH...no fair! What did ya see?

Pezman

11-17-2006, 04:11 PM

freak6

11-17-2006, 04:12 PM

I got thrown out for

1. Questioning the credibility of the league because after I won Survivor they played games for a week and a half about how much the winner was going to get, which totally eroded much of thier credibility in my eyes. Mysteriously after a week it was decided on $20.00 which I was happy to have and felt was fair, but still mysterious none the less.

2. For asking why the accounting tables are inaccurate. The account tables reflect my high points for weeks 5 and 10, but not for 1 and 7. That obviously raised my eyebrows, and when I asked, I got no answer. That eroded more of the credibility of the league in my eyes.

3. For questioning the integrity of a Commish who has repeatedly posted outrageous, disgusting, and outright slanderous lies about my GF. That Commish displayed a complete lack of class and honor. That once again eroded much of the credibility of that Commish.

4. For turning the other cheek.

I didn't know that asking simple questions about the league and it's multiple questionable decisions and parts would get me thrown out. I never questioned the integrity of the LEAGUE, the games are run well, the lineups are fine, I have no problem. But I have every right to question the commissioners of the league about the prizes which I did not understand.

Now by unfairly railroading the best team in the league out, they have completely eroded the integrity and credibility of the league by not taking thier own advice, having some thick skin and turning the other cheek.

I guess questioning the integrity of a commissioner that posts outright, disgusting, slanderous lies about your GF will get you booted.

Now that is credible.

heydensmom

11-17-2006, 04:15 PM

You aren't working today?? UGH...no fair! What did ya see?

Nope not work ;D I went and saw Borat !Booya!

freak6

11-17-2006, 04:15 PM

Mile High Nation League Announcement

The vacancy left in the league will be filled by a ghost owner and will continue to be played out for the rest of the year for those who were wondering. Thanks and good luck the rest of the way everone!

That is such BS Pez. I did nothing warrantying getting thrown out. Check the threads. You and Shack are hypersensitive. The guy posts BS slanderous disgusting lies about my GF, I turn the other cheek, and I simply question why it took so long to decide how much to pay me, how much I have won, why you need so much time to decide on the trade, and bring up his lack of honor and class, and I get tossed. What a joke.

Of course you won't respond to my post detailing the reasons you threw me out, they outline how unfair you, shack, and this bs "decision" is.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 04:17 PM

freak6

11-17-2006, 04:18 PM

If you had any credibility whatsoever you would address the facts Pez.

Since when can I not question the integrity of a commish that consistently posts BS, outrageous, slanderous lies about my GF?

How does that warrant getting thrown out?

Pezman

11-17-2006, 04:18 PM

Uh, just how is that suppose to work?

We will have a guest owner come in and finish the season for that team. :thumbs:

freak6

11-17-2006, 04:19 PM

Uh, just how is that suppose to work?

Careful Beerslug, if you question thier actions you'll get thrown out also.

The Gustapo Fantasy Police won't take to many questions.

You need to police yourself and Shack Pez. You brought the questions of credibilty on yourself by bsing around with Survivor, this trade, etc...

Just because I raise the question I get thrown out.

You guys are like the Fantasy Football Nazis!!!

lmao

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 04:21 PM

We will have a guest owner come in and finish the season for that team. :thumbs:
You'll have to explain that to me please.

Pezman

11-17-2006, 04:23 PM

You'll have to explain that to me please.

Sorry, you edited your post after my response so I didnt see the rest of your question.

Yes, the new guest owner that will take over that team will be allowed to continue in the playoffs and assume full control of that team.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 04:25 PM

Sorry, you edited your post after my response so I didnt see the rest of your question.

Yes, the new guest owner that will take over that team will be allowed to continue in the playoffs and assume full control of that team. My question is who or what is a guest owner and how can they take over a team in the middle of a season??

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 04:27 PM

You'll have to explain that to me please.

Someone will be pulling the strings for that team. Its like when the head coach gets axed the assisantant gets to play God till the end of the season then he gets fired.

Pezman

11-17-2006, 04:30 PM

My question is who or what is a guest owner and how can they take over a team in the middle of a season??

The new guest owner will take over the team literally as a guest. They will assume control of the lineups, and day to day activity of that team, however, all prize money that the team acquires from here on out will be refunded back to the other 11 owners of the BroncosManiax conference. As for the fees for that team, the commissioner will absorb the fee for that team's entry fee. :thumbsup:

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 04:33 PM

Pezman

11-17-2006, 04:35 PM

I'll ask one more time then I'm gonna have to question the intergrity of the league....where are the ramblings....I need my weekly ramblings....I look forward to the ramblings......I dont mind losing week after week and sucking at this game but damn it I pay for the ramblings ;D

I know! How long can we tolerate the ramblings of an Ode to a set of Big Brown Balls while we wait for the weekly ramblings? :~ohyah!:

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 04:39 PM

The new guest owner will take over the team literally as a guest. They will assume control of the lineups, and day to day activity of that team, however, all prize money that the team acquires from here on out will be refunded back to the other 11 owners of the BroncosManiax conference. As for the fees for that team, the commissioner will absorb the fee for that team's entry fee. :thumbsup:

So how do you determine who that owner will be? What if this guest owner goes on to knock everbody else out of the playoffs?

Freak, you need to just shutup and play and the rest of you guys need to just work this out where there is no team that has to be taken over going into the playoffs.

And Shack, as commissioner, you need to think a little before posting stuff, like telling me I didn't have to read your ramblings if I didn't like them when I commented on TOOL spamming the board with all his crap (which had absolutely NOTHING to do with your weekly ramblings).

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 04:43 PM

I'll ask one more time then I'm gonna have to question the intergrity of the league....where are the ramblings....I need my weekly ramblings....I look forward to the ramblings......I dont mind losing week after week and sucking at this game but damn it I pay for the ramblings ;D

well honestly
this week has been busy
I had vendors in tue and wed all day, so not much access to internet

my car took a crap yesterday and my electrical system got a short in it

I started to do them today and then all this happened and my sense of humor went out the window

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 04:47 PM

So how do you determine who that owner will be? What if this guest owner goes on to knock everbody else out of the playoffs?

Freak, you need to just shutup and play and the rest of you guys need to just work this out where there is no team that has to be taken over going into the playoffs.

And Shack, as commissioner, you need to think a little before posting stuff, like telling me I didn't have to read your ramblings if I didn't like them when I commented on TOOL spamming the board with all his crap (which had absolutely NOTHING to do with your weekly ramblings).

I understand where you are coming from
honestly I thought you were talking about my spam, b/c like freak, people who don't like me, generally get annoyed by my ramblings. Not sure how that constitutes as being hot under the collar. I just said if you don't like them don't read them :) and I apologized for saying that b/c I misread what you wrote.

I keep the main board separate from this one, like I said, freak's hate for me had nothing to do with this....he questioned the league, not me. Pez takes a hit out of his own wallet every year b/c people don't pay, but he won't ever say that, b/c he is a standup guy. He covered for some people last year who never paid. Pez does a lot for this league and would never short anyone money. Pez also 2 years ago had a co-commish take off with money and so Pez was stuck with the bill. Pez puts up with a lot and never makes a dime off his sweat and blood and always actually LOSES money.

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 04:48 PM

You guys think you have problems?

My wife just hung up on me in anger.

Now that's a problem.

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 04:51 PM

I hate this part.

The part where I have to figure out what I said wrong before I can make a proper apology.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 04:53 PM

I understand where you are coming from
honestly I thought you were talking about my spam, b/c like freak, people who don't like me, generally get annoyed by my ramblings. Not sure how that constitutes as being hot under the collar. I just said if you don't like them don't read them :) and I apologized for saying that b/c I misread what you wrote.

I keep the main board separate from this one, like I said, freak's hate for me had nothing to do with this....he questioned the league, not me. Pez takes a hit out of his own wallet every year b/c people don't pay, but he won't ever say that, b/c he is a standup guy. He covered for some people last year who never paid. Pez does a lot for this league and would never short anyone money. Pez also 2 years ago had a co-commish take off with money and so Pez was stuck with the bill. Pez puts up with a lot and never makes a dime off his sweat and blood and always actually LOSES money.
Well, I didn't see your apology so I'm sorry for bringing that up.

And I have no doubt Pez goes up and beyond the call of duty.

I just think everyone needs to back off for a couple hours, collect themselves and then work this out.

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 04:53 PM

Cause it might have been something I said 6 months ago, for all I know...

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 04:55 PM

OD....why don't you do the ramblings this week....

You have some great ones right there!!

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 04:55 PM

... or it might have been the letter from my girlfriend ...

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 04:56 PM

.. or the vegas trip on my lunchbreak I forgot to tell her about ...

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 04:57 PM

... or it might have been the letter from my girlfriend ...

Yeah, that's pretty much a given for being hung up on.

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 04:57 PM

... or that Rio hotel bill ...

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 04:58 PM

I hate this part.

The part where I have to figure out what I said wrong before I can make a proper apology.
See, that's why I'm not married anymore because I never did figure that out (scratches head).

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 05:05 PM

.. or that cache of stuffed rabbits on the top shelf of my closet ...

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 05:09 PM

Well, she either packed up and left to visit a divorce lawyer, or just went to the grocery store for bread & lunchmeat. Guess I'll find out later.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 05:13 PM

So how do you determine who that owner will be? What if this guest owner goes on to knock everbody else out of the playoffs?

I'm guessing if the ghost owner wins it all, then the prize money will go back to the pool towards the eleven other owners. And Pez probably hasn't decided on who that guest owner will be, probably Socal or another mod who couldn't play this year due to other commits.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 05:16 PM

I'm guessing if the ghost owner wins it all, then the prize money will go back to the pool towards the eleven other owners. And Pez probably hasn't decided on who that guest owner will be, probably Socal or another mod who couldn't play this year due to other commits.My point is that shouldn't happen. All the adults in the league that are involved with this find a way NOT to have to find some ghost owner to take over a team with the playoffs coming up.

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 05:21 PM

Okay, thank god she was just in a hurry to shop for Thanksgiving. I'm not in trouble at all. Forget what I mentioned about my Brazilian girlfriend and the vegas trip and the rabbits and all that.

I was just kidding.

Mostly

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 05:24 PM

Just a suggestion ... you could just put the team on "automatic" by filling in the starting slots according to the "Fantasy Sharks" computer coach.

But personally, I'm just glad I'm not in trouble today, so it's all good with me...

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 05:43 PM

well honestly
this week has been busy
I had vendors in tue and wed all day, so not much access to internet

my car took a crap yesterday and my electrical system got a short in it

I started to do them today and then all this happened and my sense of humor went out the window

Blah blah blah cry me a river Shackman just Ramble before I send Rascal over to kick you in the Johnson. Get it...got it....good ;D

PS what the hell do you do with a 1965 stationwagon that has a short in the electrical system anyway :)

Pezman

11-17-2006, 05:44 PM

Ok, well,
I want to hit a couple of points here as a coda to today's decision.

First, about the accounting. Frankly, I have no idea where Freak was pulling the accounting from and it was explained before that we DO NOT update the accounting nor prize certificate winnings to the group until the end of the season. A simple explanation to him would certainly have helped but for him to use that as a basis for his argument was baffling. Which leads me to why we have a senior circuit, because those players are familiar with the way this league is run.

Second, the Survivor pool money. That entire week I was out of town more or less for nearly the entire week. So I was unable to explain that to Freak until later in that week when he decided to make a bigger issue out of the prize.
As for the certificates, as most of you know, we have predetermined amounts of prize certificates that will be handed out to all prize winners and it was not to even BE announced what the prize was to be until after the season, just like it hasnt been announced until RIGHT NOW that the pick-em pool overall winner will recieve a prize as well. Again, patience would have been a virtue for Freak if only he hadnt continually harrassed and pushed for a premature announcement.

Third, about trades and their rush to judgement. Frankly this one is always controversial no matter what is being done. Other league owners must feel that the trade is entirely legitimate and fair, and because of that, trades are ALWAYS reviewed by myself and my staff and debated on before deciding said trade. Sometimes it may take a few days, or sometimes as little as a day. However, we do not rush to that decision and no amount of pressure from league owners will ever change that. We've had this same style of voting procedure in place for a few years now and I feel its the most effective way of handling owners trades in a timely manner.

Frankly, if the owners who are making the trade agreement are in a rush, there is no stopping them from messaging the commissioner and asking that the their lineups be adjusted accordingly if the trade goes through if they have no access before kickoff of their weekly game.

Foruth, when an owner is clearly unhappy with the way the league is run and continually debases the integrity of its commissioner, then perhaps its best to just refund their money rather than continue to confront the owner in a negative manner.
Let me hit up a better explanation of that point. Frankly, this isnt the sole incident we've had with Freak before with this league and it was the culmination of a bunch of factors that led to this decision ultimately.

Lord knows, as a commish, I need to have as thick of a skin as possible because there are many, many times where other league owners call into question the tactics and rules that have been set up for them in this league. Sometimes even my closest friends in this league have called me out for percieved mistakes on my behalf and regardless of whether or not I was right or wrong, I've always taken the criticism as best as possible while restraining too much inflammation of their conflict.
That being said, today's incident was really the final and hardest to ignore problem we have had with Freak. I do not care about how other members attack each other on the forum, as long as it does not turn vicious or personal. Frankly, my decision today had nothing to do with either Shack, Rascal or Freaks's attacks on each other and in my mind, all three were wrong for choosing to go about the attack that they did.

However, when the intergrity of the league comes into question like it did, and the way it was, I feel the need to get an explaination from that league owner since it really is much more than just a personal attack, but the call into question about how a league of 48 owners is run and whether or not there is collusion, cheating, or unfair practices taking place in that said league. When asked to take back his statements, Freak further insinuated a fraud in the league. Therefore, it was an unfortunate but necessary decision to remove his team from the league even if it hurts the league in the short run due to the decision. I personally like Kristian, and it really did hurt to have to do it, but his lack of judgement and his lack of understanding of what was needed to correct his error ultimately led to his refund.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 05:47 PM

You guys think you have problems?

My wife just hung up on me in anger.

Now that's a problem.

Thats nothing I've been there a thousand times. The best thing to do when hung up on is to just simply say your sorry for being a man in general. That covers most of your bases right there.*

*this thou does not include forgeting your children at school while fishing. I've learned there really is no way to say "sorry" for that offense Ha!

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 05:49 PM

Sometimes even my closest friends in this league have called me out for percieved mistakes on my behalf and regardless of whether or not I was right or wrong, I've always taken the criticism as best as possible while restraining too much inflammation of their conflict.

yeah that was me ;)

2 years ago, I flamed pez, denfan and sideburn

Pezman

11-17-2006, 05:55 PM

yeah that was me ;)

2 years ago, I flamed pez, denfan and sideburn

Actually it wasnt heh. It was something from this season that I was referring to. But I do remember that "incident" as well Ha!
Seems like every year we have a few problem spots to go through, but never before have we had the integrity of the league come into such question.

Anyway, again, we're arguing semantics here. What is done is done and I'm very sorry that it had to even happen and its unfortunate that it was, but we move forward.

Have a good weekend everyone. Out.

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 05:58 PM

yeah that was me ;)

2 years ago, I flamed the entire western hemisphere

Corrected your typo.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 06:00 PM

Ok, well,

As for the certificates, as most of you know, we have predetermined amounts of prize certificates that will be handed out to all prize winners and it was not to even BE announced what the prize was to be until after the season, just like it hasnt been announced until RIGHT NOW that the pick-em pool overall winner will recieve a prize as well. Again, patience would have been a virtue for Freak if only he hadnt continually harrassed and pushed for a premature announcement.

Dude Im leading that contest and now that a prize is involved you've just jinxed me. Just wanted to say thinks ;)

Third, about trades and their rush to judgement. Frankly this one is always controversial no matter what is being done. Other league owners must feel that the trade is entirely legitimate and fair, and because of that, trades are ALWAYS reviewed by myself and my staff and debated on before deciding said trade. Sometimes it may take a few days, or sometimes as little as a day. However, we do not rush to that decision and no amount of pressure from league owners will ever change that. We've had this same style of voting procedure in place for a few years now and I feel its the most effective way of handling owners trades in a timely manner.

Trades will always be the sorest spot of any fantasy league. The closer it comes to playoffs the more on edge people get. I prefer to make my bad trades early in the season ;D

.

On a side note I just figured out if I beat Rascal this week Im in a tie for first place and hold the tie breaker with the head to head victory. Then if I can win in the final week Im off to the playoffs where I will get destoryed and beaten like bobsyouraunt on crack. The good news is I have not won 2 in a row all year so Im prolly safe from the destruction that would be my playoff experiance.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:04 PM

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 06:04 PM

However, when the intergrity of the league comes into question like it did, and the way it was, I feel the need to get an explaination from that league owner since it really is much more than just a personal attack, but the call into question about how a league of 48 owners is run and whether or not there is collusion, cheating, or unfair practices taking place in that said league. When asked to take back his statements, Freak further insinuated a fraud in the league. Therefore, it was an unfortunate but necessary decision to remove his team from the league even if it hurts the league in the short run due to the decision. I personally like Kristian, and it really did hurt to have to do it, but his lack of judgement and his lack of understanding of what was needed to correct his error ultimately led to his refund.Well I'm not privy to the "questioning the integrity comments" but as I understand it you're not removing his team but are removing him (kicking him out of the league for comments he made). So his team is still playing but with someone else you're going to pick to run it? That doesn't really work IMO but if that's your decision then I guess it's your decision.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:05 PM

My point is that shouldn't happen. All the adults in the league that are involved with this find a way NOT to have to find some ghost owner to take over a team with the playoffs coming up.

Well it did, and the decision has been made.

Freak made his bed, now he has to lie in it.

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 06:05 PM

Corrected your typo.

don't make me take you down too

remember, I'm evil as well, so my black heart does not fear to tred in those waters :):wiggle:

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 06:07 PM

On a side note I just figured out if I beat Rascal this week Im in a tie for first place and hold the tie breaker with the head to head victory. Then if I can win in the final week Im off to the playoffs where I will get destoryed and beaten like bobsyouraunt on crack. The good news is I have not won 2 in a row all year so Im prolly safe from the destruction that would be my playoff experiance.

what is this "win" you talk of?

I seem to remember it at some point in time, but alas, that was many moons ago.

I do seem to remember that it was a good thing

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 06:11 PM

Just a suggestion regarding freak6's team.

Freeze his roster with the best players starting (use fantasy sharks I guess) and eliminate them from playoff contention (7th best team would get in the playoffs) with normal seeding.

See, this is where these problems begin when you take over a team. No matter what you do it's not fair to the rest of the teams in that league. You can't just eliminate the team (well I guess you can but that's not right) then allowing a team that wouldn't have made the playoffs have the chance to knock other teams out of the playoffs or giving the team to someone else that may knock others out of the playoffs doesn't work either.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 06:13 PM

Well its none of my business nore is it even my division. IMO the commish's get to decide how to handle this BUT IMO auto pilot is the way to go. Dont let in some team that does not deserve to make the Playoffs. The team is still the same as before just put in the best starters every week and go from there.

freak6

11-17-2006, 06:14 PM

When asked to take back his statements, Freak further insinuated a fraud in the league.

I'm sorry if you think I insulted your integrity Pezman.
But if you and Shack had never given me a reason to question the credibility of the league, I wouldn't be, would I?

Therefore, it was an unfortunate but necessary decision to remove his team from the league even if it hurts the league in the short run due to the decision. I personally like Kristian, and it really did hurt to have to do it, but his lack of judgement and his lack of understanding of what was needed to correct his error ultimately led to his refund.
My error. What was my error? Questioning the integrity of someone posting complete BS, disgusting, slanderous lies about my GF?

How is that wrong exactly Pez? I doubt anyone else on the Mane would show as much restraint as I have if I was talking about thier wife, gf, kids, whatever.

Do you have any integrity to talk to me man to man about it?

Pez - I asked you questions about the accounting, I never got an answer. I got fkd with over and over about winning survivor. You and Shack played games with me about the amounts of winnings.

You have to understand YOU put the credibility of the league in question in MY eyes while you and shack debated how much to give me for winning Survivor.

Shack posted up that I had won $0.02, then changed that to $0.0000000002. A simple answer of "It's determined at the end of the season", would have sufficed, but instead you guys played childish games and the credibility of the league fell in my eyes.

That is on you two.

So because I question the integrity of a Commissioner that constantly posts outright, disgusting, slanderous lies about my GF and plays childish games posting BS amounts for taking Survivor, I got thrown out.

Well that adds to your credibility Commissioner Pezman. Good decision. You guys are Nazis.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 06:16 PM

See, this is where these problems begin when you take over a team. No matter what you do it's not fair to the rest of the teams in that league. You can't just eliminate the team (well I guess you can but that's not right) then allowing a team that wouldn't have made the playoffs have the chance to knock other teams out of the playoffs or giving the team to someone else that may knock others out of the playoffs doesn't work either.

I think it does. What would they do in the NFL if say Herm Edwards got kicked out of the league for having relations with Carl Petersons sheep err wife. The team would still be heading to the playoffs if that were their original destony.

Pezman

11-17-2006, 06:16 PM

Sorry you feel that way Freak. Have a good weekend.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 06:19 PM

Well it did, and the decision has been made.

Freak made his bed, now he has to lie in it.
Are you involved in this decision?

I think it does. What would they do in the NFL if say Herm Edwards got kicked out of the league for having relations with Carl Petersons sheep err wife. The team would still be heading to the playoffs if that were their original destony.
This isn't the NFL it's a paid fantasy league. Letting someone take over a team that they didn't have anything to do with until playoff time doesn't work IMO.

ØrangeÇrush

11-17-2006, 06:20 PM

Wow!

Been a busy day.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 06:20 PM

Are you involved in this decision?

See thats the problem with you communis.... err leftys to many questions yet no answers ;)

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 06:22 PM

Wow!

Been a busy day.

Woulda' been a lot busier if my wife had found that box of jewelry receipts...

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 06:23 PM

Shack posted up that I had won $0.02 I was just kidding, I thought you understood the concept of a joke, all monies are paid out at the end of the season, so I didn't see a reason to get in a huff about it, Pez had the amount, but I forgot what it is. You overreact way too much, you need to count to 10 sometimes. then changed that to $0.0000000002. A simple answer of "It's determined at the end of the season", would have sufficed, but instead you guys played childish games and the credibility of the league fell in my eyes.
how so? you don't have a sense of humor, it was already predetermined all amounts would be paid out at the end of the year

That is on you two.

So because I question the integrity of a Commissioner that constantly posts outright, disgusting, slanderous lies about my GF and plays childish games posting BS amounts for taking Survivor, I got thrown out.

Well that adds to your credibility Commissioner Pezman. Good decision. You guys are Nazis.

you let your personal feelings guide you here freak, I'm sorry you think I constantly post "outright, disgusting, slanderous lies about my GF" I think I have done it twice in the past 6 months. and it's more in a joking manner, until you sent me some flaming PMs and I admit I overreacted and continued prodding you to get a reaction. I thought we were past the point that you were offended about that, I made jokes before and you laughed. Maybe you thought I took the joke too far. I apologize if that is the case. I don't know you personally, nor your GF, but if I am of the opinion you stretched the truth and it was a funny story to share with everyone........then be prepared to get ribbed about it.
that was on the main board, not here, and that had nothing to do with fantasy football.

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you, you obviously drafted a good team and was a good manager, but pezzy has worked way too hard on this league to question his integrity. Like I said, I know you don't like me and I don't care, but Pezzy has never made a red cent off this league and has ALWASY had to pay out of his own pocket for people who don't pay their dues b/c he is a standup guy.

You need to learn to separate personal from business.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:23 PM

Are you involved in this decision?

Nope. Just stating the obvious.

freak6

11-17-2006, 06:24 PM

Sorry you feel that way Freak. Have a good weekend.

You should talk to your fellow Commissioner Pez, not me. He destroyed all of his credibility with me with his constant BS, outright, disgusting lies about my GF.

The fact you refuse to answer anything I have asked you about this, and continue to duck the facts about this BS is truly a scarlett letter on you. 

I said I have no problem with the integrity of the league, or you. All you opr Shack had to do is answer some simple questions.

Did you even know he kept posting up BS amounts playing games about the Survivor winnings? That is when the credibility of the league came into question for me.

That is when Shack and the League's credibility fell. What kind of a Commissioner plays childish games and posts erroneous amounts about the prizes? Don't you think that diminishes the credibility of the Commish?

Of course it does.

Not to mention the disgusting lies he posted about my GF.

What a joke.

Pezman

11-17-2006, 06:24 PM

Are you involved in this decision?

This isn't the NFL it's a paid fantasy league. Letting someone take over a team that they didn't have anything to do with until playoff time doesn't work IMO.

Slug, you know I think you're a cool cat. But I think you need to re-read the actual post about the guest owner that I posted again. They are doing it strictly on a volunteer basis and will recieve no prize money for their involvement.

Ok gents, heading out for the night. Beer time. GO BRONX!

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:26 PM

Woulda' been a lot busier if my wife had found that box of jewelry receipts...

You mean they aren't for her? She probably already saw them, she is just expecting them for X-mas. Hell will arrive at your house when she doesn't get them.

Old Dude

11-17-2006, 06:28 PM

I'm sure she'll have forgotten all about it by then.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:28 PM

You should talk to your fellow Commissioner Pez, not me. He destroyed all of his credibility with me with his constant BS, outright, disgusting lies about my GF.

The fact you refuse to answer anything I have asked you about this, and continue to duck the facts about this BS is truly a scarlett letter on you. 

I said I have no problem with the integrity of the league, or you. All you opr Shack had to do is answer some simple questions.

Did you even know he kept posting up BS amounts playing games about the Survivor winnings? That is when the credibility of the league came into question for me.

That is when Shack and the League's credibility fell. What kind of a Commissioner plays childish games and posts erroneous amounts about the prizes? Don't you think that diminishes the credibility of the Commish?

Of course it does.

Not to mention the disgusting lies he posted about my GF.

What a joke.

So I guess when Pez said I owed him 50 bucks last year for barely beating him with high scorer in the geek league last year (1 bench point if I remember correctly) instead of the 10 dollar high scorer amount, I should have gone the route you did? Right.

Or when Shack complained that after I beat him for the overall high scorer in the geek league that I was taking money away from feeding his baby, I should have questioned his ability to be the accountant? Come on freak. Were not assholes trying to screw you over every chance we get.

Everybody but you knew it was a joke Freak6. You kept harrasing them about it, so they were playing around with you. You are way to high strung.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 06:29 PM

Slug, you know I think you're a cool cat. But I think you need to re-read the actual post about the guest owner that I posted again. They are doing it strictly on a volunteer basis and will recieve no prize money for their involvement.

Ok gents, heading out for the night. Beer time. GO BRONX!
I understand that Pez but I'm talking about the effects of doing that for other owners in that league. Where Freak might not have won a playoff game the new owner might, that isn't fair to every other team in the league. that's why I'm saying taking over control of a team isn't fair to the other teams in that league no matter what you do.

And I'll add, I had no idea that weekly winners were not paid until the end of the year.

Nope. Just stating the obvious.
Not withstanding your personal bias I'm sure.

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 06:31 PM

Slug, you know I think you're a cool cat. But I think you need to re-read the actual post about the guest owner that I posted again. They are doing it strictly on a volunteer basis and will recieve no prize money for their involvement.

Ok gents, heading out for the night. Beer time. GO BRONX!

I personally would add that any winning by that ghost team should be kept by the league to offset the loss of $ from Freaks exit. Not that I want to make the situation more sticky because you all know I never stir the pot ;D

Freak you and me get along just fine outside of this thread (dont see why that would change). Personally I think you have some valid points on one hand but on the other dude its fantasy football you seem to take it WAY to serious.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:34 PM

I'm sure she'll have forgotten all about it by then.

You should realize in your age that a woman never forgets anything, especially things about jewelry.

I suggest you bring that turkey fryer inside and hopefully it burns your house down to eliminate any evidence.

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 06:34 PM

I understand that Pez but I'm talking about the effects of doing that for other owners in that league. Where Freak might not have won a playoff game the new owner might, that isn't fair to every other team in the league. that's why I'm saying taking over control of a team isn't fair to the other teams in that league no matter what you do.

And I'll add, I had no idea that weekly winners were not paid until the end of the year.

Not withstanding your personal bias I'm sure.

I believe this was stated at the beginning of the year

It's hard this year though with 48 teams and a lot of new people, we generally have repeat players and everyone knows the rules, so if this was overlooked, sorry about that.

we group it all at end of year, I have to withdraw funds and put them in my account and then go buy the GC's from denverbroncos.com

the jerseys this year could have an inside edge so we saved some money that way........

but the other prizes are GC's paid at end of year

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 06:35 PM

And I'll add, I had no idea that weekly winners were not paid until the end of the year.

.

Wow then you've had a worse year then me Ha!

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:36 PM

Not withstanding your personal bias I'm sure.

LOL...the migthy Slug with his higher then thou attitude.

My personal bias had no influence on that statement. Nobody causes Freak6 to react that way, he could have handled it better. He didn't, therefore he has to deal with it.

freak6

11-17-2006, 06:38 PM

I was just kidding, I thought you understood the concept of a joke, all monies are paid out at the end of the season, so I didn't see a reason to get in a huff about it, Pez had the amount, but I forgot what it is. You overreact way too much, you need to count to 10 sometimes. then changed that to $0.0000000002.
how so? you don't have a sense of humor, it was already predetermined all amounts would be paid out at the end of the year

No, because from my viewpoint it looked like you guys were unprepared, then you started playing games with the amounts. It wasn't funny. Maybe to you it was, to me it was childish, and diminished your credibility as a Commissioner. And I went along with the joke about the money Shack, you can't say I didn't.

you let your personal feelings guide you here freak, I'm sorry you think I constantly post "outright, disgusting, slanderous lies about my GF" I think I have done it twice in the past 6 months. and it's more in a joking manner, until you sent me some flaming PMs and I admit I overreacted and continued prodding you to get a reaction. I thought we were past the point that you were offended about that, I made jokes before and you laughed. Maybe you thought I took the joke too far. I apologize if that is the case. I don't know you personally, nor your GF, but if I am of the opinion you stretched the truth and it was a funny story to share with everyone........then be prepared to get ribbed about it.

I accept your apology. I gave you the benefit of the doubt the first couple times. But you followed me from thread to thread spewing out the same scumbag, outright, disgusting lies over and over. And when we debate football, you break out that classless BS again. That again leads to your continued level of dishonor and classlessness.

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you, you obviously drafted a good team and was a good manager, but pezzy has worked way too hard on this league to question his integrity.

I'm sorry if you think I insulted your integrity Pezman.

You need to learn to separate personal from business.

As I have shown in this post, you ruined ALL your credibility as a person with me. I don't like doing business with people that exhibit no class, honor, or respect.

Would you feel good about doing business with someone whom all you know about is that they are constantly posting disgusting lies about your wife on the internet over and over???

All I needed was some simple answers, which Rascal posted for me here.

To bad the COMMISSIONER of the league came in and immediately 

GOT PERSONAL WITH ME ON THIS BUSINESS THREAD HUH SHACK!!!!

And freak insults everyone again.

serious.

Does this jackass add anything to this forum?

You need to learn to separate personal from business.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 06:39 PM

LOL...the migthy Slug with his higher then thou attitude.

My personal bias had no influence on that statement. Nobody causes Freak6 to react that way, he could have handled it better. He didn't, therefore he has to deal with it.
You didn't understand. My statement was directed at your personal pissing match with him, does that clear it up?

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 06:43 PM

freak, I was not answering back b/c I know, based on all of your posts, any answer we give you, would not satisfy you. You would flame away until we stopped responding. Your reputation on the mane is well known and I did not want to get into a flame war with you.

Against my better judgement, I replied finally, based on the laughable assertion that I constantly slander your GF, I rarely say anything and it's only in jest and only old timers even know what I'm talking about.

I honestly wouldn't care what you said about my wife because I don't care what you think of me, I have never met you and I never will.

and to leave it as this, since you question my integrity and whether or not I'd pay any monies out, the refund is already in your paypal account today and the GC will come next week.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:44 PM

You didn't understand. My statement was directed at your personal pissing match with him, does that clear it up?

I didn't understand because you didn't explain what you were talking about in a understanding maner. And it still doesn't explain how my comment about him having to sleep in his bed, is determined or influenced by my personal bias. It was a simple statement of fact that was independent of my personal bias.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 06:45 PM

I didn't understand because you didn't explain what you were talking about in a understanding maner. And it still doesn't explain how my comment about him having to sleep in his bed, is determined or influenced by my personal bias. It was a simple statement of fact that was independent of my personal bias.
Absolutely!

freak6

11-17-2006, 06:46 PM

Freak you and me get along just fine outside of this thread (dont see why that would change). Personally I think you have some valid points on one hand but on the other dude its fantasy football you seem to take it WAY to serious.

Of course it wouldn't change. But I put alot of effort and time into making the best team in this league, and because of a misunderstanding they killed my team?

That is total BS.

The Commissioners need to take a look in the mirror and see the mistakes they made that forced me to question how well they were running the league.

There is NO WAY an owner should be thrown out for asking for some accountability by the Commissioners that abused thier power at my expense. 

That is total BS and completely unfair.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:47 PM

Absolutely!

As long as we agree. ;D

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 06:48 PM

Of course it wouldn't change. But I put alot of effort and time into making the best team in this league, and because of a misunderstanding they killed my team?

That is total BS.

The Commissioners need to take a look in the mirror and see the mistakes they made that forced me to question how well they were running the league.

There is NO WAY an owner should be thrown out for asking for some accountability by the Commissioners that abused thier power at my expense. 

That is total BS and completely unfair.

you didn't ask for accountability, you said I was going to steal the money, a little different story now eh?

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:48 PM

In other news...a great day for men.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/11/17/implants/index.html

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 06:50 PM

freak6

11-17-2006, 06:52 PM

freak, I was not answering back b/c I know, based on all of your posts, any answer we give you, would not satisfy you. You would flame away until we stopped responding. Your reputation on the mane is well known and I did not want to get into a flame war with you.

I would not have flamed you. You see what happens when you assume? You made an ass out of you and me.

I was just curious, as any winner would be. But you choose to play games with me about it. As a commissioner YOU should have taken your job more serious, because by playing childish games with the Survivor Pool contest, you just ruined your credibility was a Commissioner and made the league look like it was run by amateurs.

You yourself admitted that you forgot the amount. You should have just said Pez knows and he'll let you know next week rather than making up BS amounts.

And how dare you tell me to seperate business with personal, when you come on this thread and immediately got personal.

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359787&postcount=1426

Rascal

11-17-2006, 06:52 PM

Wow, this could be debated forever...and ever. But, are any of you going to really get the responses you are looking for? I know you're all men and would love to just slug it out in a boxing ring, but unfortunately, I hate to burst your bubble, but you don't have this here.

Meanwhile...you are ruining it for the rest of us!

Get back in the kitchen!!!

That was a joke. Please don't kill me.

Mile High Shack

11-17-2006, 06:52 PM

Wow, this could be debated forever...and ever. But, are any of you going to really get the responses you are looking for? I know you're all men and would love to just slug it out in a boxing ring, but unfortunately, I hate to burst your bubble, but you don't have this here.

Meanwhile...you are ruining it for the rest of us!

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359317&postcount=1298

absolutely right

and good advice....I'm done with this subject

so let it be written
so let it be done

man my team sucks

Hotrod

11-17-2006, 06:55 PM

Get back in the kitchen!!!

That was a joke. Please don't kill me.

LOL Bwahahahahahaha

PS dont kill me either ;D

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 06:59 PM

ROFL!

Men! ;) :curtsey:

freak6

11-17-2006, 07:03 PM

you didn't ask for accountability, you said I was going to steal the money, a little different story now eh?

Who gives a rats ass about $20, $40, or even $100. It's the principle of the matter.

I know you wouldn't keep some petty little cash like that. I didn't say you were going to STEAL the money.

I said "he probably already spent it" after you started in with more BS insults about me and on my GF again!!!

Obviously in jest because how are you going to spend gift certificates, the reason I said that was to elaborate on you obvious lack of class and honor which you claim to have.

What happened here is that YOU started insulting me in this thread.

It was YOU that started the insults. Not me.

Then I of course responded in kind. Since you are a Co-Commish, which I honestly didn't even remember until today, that made our flame war twist and turn into the league.

But for someone that claims "you need to seperate biz from personal" you are a terrible example.

Furthermore, you admitted that you were intentionally pushing my buttons.

You need to learn to separate personal from business.

And freak insults everyone again.

serious.

Does this jackass add anything to this forum?

You should have kept it business, and just answered my questions...COMMISSIONER

freak6

11-17-2006, 07:10 PM

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1359787&postcount=1426

Just unbelievably unprofessional conduct by a commissioner of the league.

Jumping into the league forum, immediately denigrating and insulting an owner after he has already demonstrated unprofessional behavior as Commissioner regarding the payout of the prizes.

Ignoring the owners simple questions about a trade and payout, and instead getting into flame war on the League Forum. That showed a ton of TACT doncha think Commissioner?

And then that Commissioner tells the owner

You need to learn to seperate business from personal.

Unbelievable.

And I got booted? What a joke.

freak6

11-17-2006, 07:21 PM

Nobody causes Freak6 to react that way, he could have handled it better. He didn't, therefore he has to deal with it.

Shack is a commissioner, and HE GOT PERSONAL FIRST. Where is the accountability for the "Commissioner" coming in and flaming me on this "business" thread, and since when are Commisioners off limits from criticism.

BTW-I already showed and you admitted that you went off and started with the insults Rascal, not me. I didn't insult you once.

And just because Shack is the commish, why can't I question his conduct?

Why does that warrant getting thrown out of the league?

Where is that in the rules?

Rule #83054 b. No criticizing the Commissioners no matter how unprofessional they are.

Honor, Courage, Commitment

freak6

11-17-2006, 08:10 PM

You guys kicked out the league's #1 owner for questioning the conduct of a Commissioner that he has shown to be unprofessional in his use of power in the league regarding the chat and survivor prize money.

That commissioner was also totally unprofessional here in this thread by immediately attacking an owner with personal insults rather than acting like a commissioner and just answering the simple questions about the league, and that commissioner has shown a complete lack of integrity and ability to seperate business from personal arguments.

Then the other Commissioner (pez)comes onto the thread and tells the #1 owner looking for answers he needs to chill out and is over the top, when it is actually Rascal and the other Commissioner that has immediately taken to personal insults, while the #1 owner has yet to insult anyone!

Later the hypocrite Commissioner (MHS) told the owner to do exactly what he did not, keep it business and professional, when that Commish started the flame war on this "business" thread.

Not to mention the slimy, despicable, disgusting lies he posted on the internet about my girlfriend. :thanku:

Now that is credible job by the Commissioner's.

BFDD

11-17-2006, 08:21 PM

Freak, you have some sand in your fagina.

freak6

11-17-2006, 08:32 PM

Freak, you have some sand in your fagina.

I just think it is BS for me to get kicked out for questioning the integrity of a Commish that has admitted to abusing his power, totally unprofessional, which made him lose alot of credibility in my eyes.

And he threw me out for questioning MHS credibility, when he played childish games with Survivor, Chat, my team name, and then on the League thread, immediately went into an assault on me instead of acting like a REAL COMMISSIONER and doing his job. That is just the tip of the iceberg really with how unprofessional MHS has been.

It doesn't look like Pez knew MHS was BSing around with the amount in Survivor and changing my team name, very professional I must say, and after all the BS MHS has spewed about my GF, I have every right to question HIS honor.

But why should I expect Pez and Shack to be fair to me...

Power corrupts, and they got rid of the highest scoring team in the league.

CONGRATS.

What a credible Playoffs you have in store.

Good decision making Commissioners. You are both very fair!!!

I challenged your credibility as Commissioners, and instead of proving your credibility, you went off the deep end, failed to hold eachother accountable for your actions, and did the most damaging thing you could to the credibility of your "league", getting rid of the #1 owner because of a childish war of words.

Rascal

11-17-2006, 08:38 PM

LOL...freak is still going at it.

Yes Freak the entire intent was to get rid of you because we feared you so much and your incredible team. Wow...talk about a complex issue.

Shack and Pez have not abused their power.

He threw you out for questioning the leagues integrity and credibility...not MHS. And you continue to do it still, thus giving more credibility to his decision.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 10:27 PM

heydensmom

11-17-2006, 10:40 PM

Let it go....geez. Lets move on....

Rascal

11-17-2006, 10:43 PM

Really? Was that in the rules?

It shouldn't have to be, and Pez told him to stop and he refused.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-17-2006, 10:46 PM

It shouldn't have to be, and Pez told him to stop and he refused.
Since you're speaking for them exactly how did he offend them ......?

"He threw you out for questioning the leagues integrity and credibility...not MHS. And you continue to do it still, thus giving more credibility to his decision."?

Sassy

11-17-2006, 10:49 PM

Wow...what the he** happened in here???

smalltowngrll

11-17-2006, 10:54 PM

Too much testosterone?! ROFL!

Sassy

11-17-2006, 10:57 PM

Dang...Rich Karlis and I both got over 1100 points on our FF teams! We rock!!

BFDD

11-18-2006, 12:40 AM

Freak needs a hug.

freak6

11-18-2006, 02:02 AM

Just outrageous.

How would any of you respond to Shack posting on the internet sexually explicit, disgusting, outright lies about YOUR WIFE, OR YOUR SISTER, OR YOUR DAUGHTER, OR YOUR SON??? 

Stop and think about that? How would you respond to that?

I guarantee I have shown more restraint than any of you would have. I have been the bigger man time and again.

You know what is even more sick?

Is that Shack has continued to post his sick, disgusting, sexually explicit lies about my girlfriend.

 And not ONE Moderator has done anything about it. Not one of you has condemned him for this. None of you.

It's sick and disgusting. If I posted disgusting, nasty, sexual lies about any of the good women in this forum, I would be banned in a bat of an eye. AND RIGHTLY SO. Of course I would never stoop to Mile High Scumbags level.

Yet all of you just stand by quietly and let him do the same thing to my girlfriend.

You ALL should be ashamed of yourselves. Especially YOU WOMEN!!!

And Pez, when have you once condemned your fellow Commissioner for actinig like a disgusting pig, rather than an actual objective F.F. Commissioner. You should be ashamed as well. How DARE you tell me I am being over the top, when Rascal and Shack were clearly the two people that started throwing insults at me.

I would have thrown anyone posting sexually explicit, outright disgusting lies about another owners girlfriend, wife, or family out as soon as they did it.

 If it was ANYONE else but Shack, who is a commissioner, I am sure you would have told him to stop or he would be banned. 

But you are a coward, and as a man responsible for the administration of this fantasy league, you did nothing about his vile sexually disgusting lies he was posting about my gf.

And you question how I could possibly question the credibility of this league? And then throw ME out for simply questioning the credibility of a Commissioner that 

POSTS Sexually explicit lies about another owners girlfriend on the internet. 

You need to take a minute and think about that PEZ, and the rest of you.

You PEZ should hold your head in SHAME. You make me sick as you DROWNED in your own hypocrisy, throwing me out for questioning the honor of someone, regardless of whether he is a commissioner or not, someone that is posting sexually explicit lies about another owners family.

You all make me want to vomit as you all are literally DROWNING in the HYPOCRISY of BS that you allow to be posted here.

That goes for all of the Moderators of this forum, especially T.J. and Pez.

If you stand by and let it happen, you are just as guilty.

I never said anything to the Moderator's about it, because I thought the members of this forum had enough class to police someone as vile as Shack.

Apparently, I was wrong.

Pezman

11-18-2006, 03:02 AM

Ah, I see we are still lashing out at everyone and everything Freak. Thats fine, from here on in, you can do your pouting elsewhere. Its been explained and rehashed to you several times now and what's done is done and this thread is done with your antics.

Sorry your team has been removed. But in the end, it appears to be the correct decision. End of story, end of this flaming on this thread. Again, sorry you are choosing to lash out the way you are. I guess I would be upset as well. Anyway, all posts regarding your dismissal will go on a seperate thread from here on in. Sorry but we must move forward.

freak6

11-18-2006, 03:32 AM

Of course you do, because you weren't even aware of the fact that Shack was posting disgusting, sexually explicit lies about my girlfriend, which of course lead to me questioning the credibility of the league.

He was even using the league homepage to talk sht about my girlfriend!!!

But why should that make me question the integrity of Shack as a commissioner???

Keep ducking the facts about your Co-Commissioner. By avoiding the facts you are only further ruining the credibility of your league, in which you threw out the 1st place team for questioning the credibility of a commissioner that posts sexually explicit, nasty, vile, disgusting lies about that #1 teams owners GF.

That makes perfect sense and only ADDS to your credibility as a Commish, and as a person. You don't deserve the MAN at the end of PEZ.

I forgot about rule

#84923 b - no one shall question the credibility of a commissioner that posts slanderous lies about another owners family. The commissioners are above the law, and thier integrity is unquestionable no matter what sexual lies about other owners family they decide to post on the INTERNET. 

Also this rule you just made up today -

#59775 C - If you do question the credibility of an commissioner that posts explicit, disgusting, outrageous lies about your family, you will be thrown out of the league because that is the last thing we will have in our league. Commissioner's slandering the opposing owner's wives/girlfriends/children, that however is perfectly fine.

Taco John

11-18-2006, 03:37 AM

freak6

11-18-2006, 04:02 AM

Freak, you treat people like complete garbage.

The first I heard about this "problem," you were blasting me for being a hypocrite while all at the same time admitting you never brought it up before.

It's hard to have sympathy for someone who treats people so poorly.

I'd never go anywhere near as low as that pondscum Shack.

He is the commissioner. I had a question on this thread. Rascal insulted me. Then Shack comes into the league thread, and instead of acting like a commissioner and answering my simple questions, he insults me as well. Then he and Rascal start talking trash about my GF...once again.

I have no problem with anyone attacking me, or my arguments. But when I post logical things or stats, or point out the lies and falsehoods in their arguments, THEY get personal.

Did you witness BMF posting about my homosexual relationship with our first round pick after I simply told him he was wasting his time watching football with the self contradicting statements he was making?

I destroy Shacks lame comparison, and you saw him go right after my GF.

I would never sink so low as those two, or as low as the many others who cannot find a way to defeat me in any debate/argument.

And then here, Pez and Shack axe me from the league, and a team that I worked very hard on, because I questioned the integrity and credibility of a commissioner that posts slanderous lies about my GF whom he has never met. 

<img src="http://www.webgeordie.co.uk/borat/boratimages/images/c4.jpg">
^5

Taco John

11-18-2006, 06:27 AM

You're being a perfect idiot.

Your style is to burn as many bridges as possible, and then act outraged when other people make sure that the bridge is completely inaccessible from their end. Neither me nor my mods are going to sit here and hand hold you while you treat people like garbage, and they use AMMO THAT YOU PROVIDED THEM to come back at you. YOU are the creator of your own problems.

If you didn't treat people so badly, I could see your complaint. But you are one of the ugliest people I've ever met when it comes to discussion. You constantly berate people and treat everyone like garbage because they don't agree with your viewpoint, and then justify it with some flim-flam blather about calling people out for lying. If you're going to conduct yourself like a bridge burning a-hole, why are you going to be suprised when people oblige you as such? It's baffling to me.

I'll tell you this. If I was as big an a-hole as you are, I'd have a much thicker skin to absorb the impact of what I would know to be the energy I'm putting out there returned to me. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother with being such an a-hole to anyone and everyone with a slightly differing opinion. And I sure as hell wouldn't go around telling people that Champ Bailey was after my woman. That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of all around. You created this problem, and you don't even recognize this fact.

You've got issues man, and everyone knows it. I think it's bull**** that anyone would give you hell about your girlfriend and Champ Bailey, but then since you're the one who put it out there for public consumption in the first place, it's hard to feel to bad for you. It only makes sense to me that since you treat people like garbage, they'd take whatever you gave them and sling it right back at you. I don't know where it became my job to babysit you to protect you from your own negative crap. I do know that you make this forum a lesser place because you're such an unbelievable a-hole, and that few people would miss you if you left. I hate to say that, because I try hard to be as welcoming as possible, but frankly, I know every word I'm saying is the hard core truth.

I couldn't agree with you more on the Plummer topic, but it's everything I can do to distance myself from your goofy dumb ass as you berate everyone for having a different opinion. Gonzo did the best impression of you. It was dead on.

I'm sorry, but you're such an unbelievable a-hole that it's hard to feel sorry for you. I can't believe the way you've handled this whole situation. Your email to me was beyond the pale. It makes me sick to think of how you handled this whole thing. Instead of rallying support, you accused people of having no integrity for not standing up for you? You treat people like a complete a-hole. Why should anyone stick up for you?

We're moderators, not your personal manure scoopers, following you around and picking up the crap that you leave all over. If you want to take care of the source of your problems, start in the mirror.

Next time you have a problem you want moderated, come to the mods with the problem first, instead of pointing fingers at us and blaming us. In my six years as a moderator, I've never seen anything like the bull**** that you're pulling here. You're a real peice of work.

ludo21

11-18-2006, 10:50 AM

this is great for ratings!!! keep it up!!

Rich Karlis

11-18-2006, 11:17 AM

I feel Beerslug is also getting out of control and I should take over his team for the rest of the season.

freak6

11-18-2006, 11:53 AM

Next time you have a problem you want moderated, come to the mods with the problem first, instead of pointing fingers at us and blaming us. In my six years as a moderator, I've never seen anything like the bull**** that you're pulling here. You're a real peice of work.

Moderators have seen him talking trash about my gf time and again, and did nothing.

I might call a poster ignorant for posting something that is false, but that is the extent of it. I'd never stoop so low as to get into someone's family, WTF is that, talk about no class, no honor, no integrity.

1. Shack went to the league website and changed my team name to denigrate how he imagines the size of my genitals. pfff

2. Shack posted more vile and disgusting lies about my gf in the league chat that is on the league homepage.

3. When I asked about how much I won, Shack admitted right in this thread instead of just acting like a mature adult and Commissioner he posted that I won $0.02 to play games with me, then after I joined in on his lame joke, he changed it to $0.000000002. As the winner of the contest, having the commissioner play stupid games with the prize money definitely took away from the credibility of the league, when a simple answer would have sufficed.

4. He also has lowered himself lto a level of scum worse than anyone on this forum by denigrating my GF with his disgusting lies. They don't even bother me, and that is why I have never said anything to the Mods, besides, Mods have seen him do this time and again, so I (WRONGLY) figured they would handle it.

5. Anyone posting disgusting sexual lies about another poster's family has of course DENIGRATED his credibility, especially when that person is a Commissioner using his powers as such to then post those lies and attack me on the Fantasy League homepage.

I might be an a-hole in your opinion, but I have taken the high road with many a poster that has gotten REALLY ugly like BMF, Angryllama, and of course that scumbag Mile High Shack. Each one of them in heated debate with me has taken things to a level that I would never go to with them.

smalltowngrll

11-18-2006, 11:54 AM

freak6

11-18-2006, 12:02 PM

Can we get back to the friendly spack talk that this thread was all about??

I mean, seriously, I have two VERY important games coming up and I really need to win them both....and a little smack talk just might do the trick!! ;D

What if Shack changed your team name to denigrate your genitals or breasts?

(It makes me sick even typing that, but for arguments sake pretend he did)

Even though it is childish and stupid...

Wouldn't it make you roll your eyes and question the integrity and credibility of a Commissioner using his powers like that?

Of course it would. But Pez axed me for questioning the integrity of a commissioner so immature to use his powers like that.

If Shack did that to you he'd have been banned for life.

Not to mention if he was posting nasty disgusting sexual lies about you or your family.

Northman

11-18-2006, 12:15 PM

smalltowngrll

11-18-2006, 12:24 PM

Freak...honestly, if they did that to me...I certainly wouldn't air my dirty laundry for the rest of the world to see. I would simply send them a note privately telling them that I felt it was inappropriate. If they chose not to make any changes, I'd probably go away quietly not wasting my time on it.

Honestly, I'm sorry you feel so hurt and angry over all of this. But it's as though you have drug every member of the league in on this when truly this is between you and about three others. Obviously this is so personal that you can't let it go and you really feel that the rest of us need to read about it. But, it has gotten to the point where it's almost like it's a desperation attempt.

I don't feel that this will be solved with any more messages posted here...but, only if you and the ones that have offended you take this up privately. If solving this issue is the true reason for you posting, then do what's best to solve it and go directly to the sources. Otherwise, nothing is being solved, it's just become an airing of laundry, in which case most people won't even read it any longer.

I really believe that if this would have been stopped early on and handled privately that it would NEVER have gotten this far. And, all that is happeneing now is every person involved is simply lashing out back in response of being offended.

All I ask is that you draw the line here and take it privately, please.

EDIT....And I really ask that the line be drawn for everyone involved. This really is a private matter.

Meck77

11-18-2006, 12:29 PM

This is bad mojo for the NP thread. Time to get back on track!

Go Broncos!

ludo21

11-18-2006, 12:31 PM

keep it coming folks!!!

my name has been changed many times. i hate Shack and Pez!!! ;D

freak6

11-18-2006, 12:40 PM

Freak...honestly, if they did that to me...I certainly wouldn't air my dirty laundry for the rest of the world to see.

I just want a simple answer STG. I respect your opinion, class, and taste more than just about anyone on this forum, and I'd like to apologize to you anyway, because I got pretty harsh with you after you told me to shut up. Anyway, you're all class in my book, and I just want a simple answer.

And if you answer this one question, I will GLADLY leave this thread and it's disgusting commissioner alone from here on out. First of all, Pez threw me out for questioning the credibility, integrity, and honor of his Co-Commissioner. Please read this question carefully, put yourself in my shoes, and answer honestly. If you can do that, I'll gladly never post on this thread again. A yes or no answer will suffice.

Would you question the integrity, honor, and credibility of a Commissioner that used his powers as Commissioner to change your team name to denigrate your genitals, that used his powers as Commissioner to continue his grudge and play childish games for over a week when asked a simple question about the prize money that YOU won, that posted as a Commissioner in the league chat sexually explicit disgusting lies about YOUR sister/mother/daughter, and lastly that here in the thread that is supposed to be used for Fantasy Football immediately INSULTED YOU rather than act like a Commissioner and answer your simple questions about the procedures of the league?

ludo21

11-18-2006, 12:46 PM

thats a loooong question, and i think more went into it than your spouting out.

smalltowngrll

11-18-2006, 01:05 PM

I don't know that I would question their integrity or credibility, but I would question them if I felt the name was inappropriate. But, i would certainly do it privately. I think I might have questioned whether they crossed the "appropriate" line

One thing I've learned, especially over the last few months, is that men have a way of trying to be funny and sometimes it crosses the line. If I'm offended by something, it's best to not allow it to get to me but go directly to the source. I think it might be easier for me, as a female, to say that what someone did deeply offended me or hurt me. But, men, you guys use the "dude, that was out of line" thing. It doesn't convey the same tone. I understand how you might have been offended. But, I think how it was handled just caused everyone to react rather than to think about the actions.

freak6

11-18-2006, 01:22 PM

I don't know that I would question their integrity or credibility, but I would question them if I felt the name was inappropriate. But, i would certainly do it privately. I think I might have questioned whether they crossed the "appropriate" line

Well nothing he said hurt me or really offended me, it just made me hold him in even less regard as a human being, and as a Commissioner since he was abusing his Commissioner Powers to continue to insult me.

When a Commissioner starts to use his powers to exact his personal grudge with an owner, obviously it takes away from his credibility as a Commissioner because he has lost his sense of OBJECTIVITY.

I would never hire someone let alone continue to keep on my staff to run a fantasy league that continually uses his powers as Commissioner to denigrate the owners of the league, post sexually explicit lies in the chat about another owners gf/wife/family, and that IMMEDIATELY insults owners with questions about league procedures rather than acting like a Commissioner.

But that's just me.

Enjoy your league everyone.

It's really to bad the #1 team got axed for questioning the credibility of a commissioner that posts sexually explicit lies about his gf here and in the league chat, that uses his powers as commissioner to change my team name to aid in his wild imaginations about the size of my genitals, that uses his Commissioner powers to play games with me over the winnings of Survivor for over a week when a simple answer would have sufficed, and that uses the league thread to immediately insult a team owner with simple questions about the leagues procedures.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-18-2006, 02:00 PM

keep it coming folks!!!

my name has been changed many times. i hate Shack and Pez!!! ;D
To tell you the truth I don't who half the teams are because of the name changing but I think that's more for the people who know each other in the league.

BFDD

11-18-2006, 05:03 PM

To the two commishes: In my opinion, freak should be let back in to play the rest of the season. I’d akin this situation to taking a hot, yet extremely bitchy girlfriend on vacation. You can’t dump her halfway through the vacation. Freak obviously has drafted, picked up, and traded for a stellar team. No mater how much of an A-hole he is, if he wins he should get the Jersey and all his winnings through-out the season. I don’t want my money to go to a pool, I want my money to go too the dude that kicked the most ass. If we were talking about the pride and honor of winning, kick the retard out. However, we are talking about money, and winning money, and that changes everything.

To Shack: You poked the monkey in the cage and now he peed on your pants. I only saw the league chat when Freak was asking you to stop with the girlfriend smack, so I don’t know what you said exactly, but bagging on a dude’s girl is lame. He had also innocently asked several times as to how much moola he had won so far, and in post #1275 you flung some poo by saying;

you are the smart one

take off your shoes and socks and start counting

either that or use a calculator if you can figure out dem fancy buttons

He didn’t say anything at all towards you at all and was arguing with rascal when you stepped in and said:

once again freak insults everyone

serious

does this jackass add any value to this board at all?

Now I’ve been part of bulletin boards for 10 years, and there is always one post you can point to that turns the discussion into a flame war. As far as my beer sodden brain can allow me to deduct, that post would be what started Freak-A-hole.

Personally, if anyone attacks the girl I’m humping, I get pissed. If someone is attacking my money, I get really pissed. (Cause god knows I can always buy a hotter girl if I’ve got lots of dough). IMHO shack owes Freak an apology.

To Pez: Dude, work on getting Sarah to come party with us in Phoenix!

To Freak: STFU meng. If shack made fun of the size of your pee-pee, you need to handle it like a man, not like the sniveling blubbering PC idiot that you have been showing for the last 4+ pages. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a dude who likes football become such a pune in less than 48 hours. You shouldn’t have been bounced out of the league. Shack shouldn’t have debased your woman. You should have been given an accurate report as to where and how much money you had commin to you. But you my fellow bronco lover are a huge wienie.

BTW, If I call into question the Commishes combined manhood, can I get my money back to? And if you do decide to stick to your guns and kick him out, I only think its fair that because I picked Dominic Davis in the third round that you give me the TOOL team. :-P

Ultra Sonic Gear Stix OUT!

Bronco_Beerslug

11-18-2006, 05:34 PM

To the two commishes: In my opinion, freak should be let back in to play the rest of the season.

Yep, I agree. Shack is responsible for this pissing match as much as anyone is. I was waiting for weeks for an answer to his question on the weekly and special payouts but Shack decided to f**k with him.

REB

11-18-2006, 05:59 PM

This was very entertaining :) See what happens when your a godless freak? :nyahdevil

Rascal

11-18-2006, 06:51 PM

Yep, I agree. Shack is responsible for this pissing match as much as anyone is. I was waiting for weeks for an answer to his question on the weekly and special payouts but Shack decided to **** with him.

Not withstanding your personal bias I'm sure.

Rascal

11-18-2006, 06:54 PM

DomCasual

11-18-2006, 06:55 PM

Gents, keep it off the thread. I wont tolerate any more stupidity on this thread unless its comes from Ludo or DomCasual's wimpy teams ;D

Hey, at least my wimpy team kicked ludo's wimpy team's ass last week! I am the king of the wimpy teams! :strong:

Bronco_Beerslug

11-18-2006, 07:27 PM

I am not, and I know the rest of you are not, privy to all that was said and done behind the scenes. The decision has been made, and Pez isn't going to reverse it. Things could have been done differently on both sides, but that's a mute point.
And you know everything why? Are you a commissioner too? You sure seem to presume to speak for the authority of the league so are you actually one of the "secret" commissioners?

So what is actually going on in this league Rascal, fill me in, is everything on the up and up or IS THERE some personal bias going on here??

I know you can answer this because you answer every other question that concerns the commissioners.

Rascal

11-18-2006, 07:34 PM

No I don't know everything. I just know that things were done behind the scenes which contributed to this incident.

You think TJ just came in here for no reason and said what he said?

You should know Pez and TJ well enough that they wouldn't go to such measures unless it was their only choice.

Either way I'm done with this discussion.

Bronco_Beerslug

11-18-2006, 07:44 PM

No I don't know everything. I just know that things were done behind the scenes which contributed to this incident.
.
So lets see, you know "that things were done behind the scenes", Taco knows "that things were done behind the scenes", Shack knows "that things were done behind the scenes" and Pez "that things were done behind the scenes".

Maybe we all ought to know what those things are that caused an owner to be kicked out of the league so no one else makes this same mistake.

So you've said you know this twice now, what exactly is the reason he was kicked out?

Rascal

11-18-2006, 07:53 PM

Hey hotrod,

Please take it easy this week when you destroy my horrible team. Represent us well in the playoffs.

smalltowngrll

11-18-2006, 07:53 PM

Rascal

11-18-2006, 07:56 PM

smalltowngrll

11-18-2006, 08:09 PM

So how does it make you feel having LT on your team this week?

It SUCKS! I posted earlier the conundrum I feel that I am in. But, I'd gladly sacrifice a win for LT to be shut down this week!

Pezman

11-18-2006, 08:11 PM

It SUCKS! I posted earlier the conundrum I feel that I am in. But, I'd gladly sacrifice a win for LT to be shut down this week!

Yes, that would not suck. Go Broncos x 1000000 ^5

Rascal

11-18-2006, 08:13 PM

Well if we lose, I'll know that it was because you were secretly hoping that LT would have a good game so that you would win. :)

smalltowngrll

11-18-2006, 08:31 PM

Oh, I could never wish that. I'll just secretly hope that Harrison and Dunn have exceptionally good games this week and the second week of December!

BFDD

11-18-2006, 08:57 PM

Can you guys take it somewhere else? This thread is meant for having fun, smack talking (fun...not trashing) and general information regarding the league.

You can tell me not to read this, but unfortunately, for those of us in the league that would like to move on with our teams and have fun, we are prohibited from that by all the crap that keeps getting thrown out on this thread. Move it! PLEASE!!!

What I want to know falls under "general information regarding the league", more specifically 48X$40=$1920. Unfortunately, unwittingly, Freak has called into question the integrity of the league, and he has a right to when money is in question. As a paying customer to the league, it is my business, regardless of my current standings, to know what is being done with my money. It’s my opinion that such a large decision needs to be made by all 48 paying Bronco fans. A simple, yet effective poll would solve this issue. Put it up for a vote, a mere 48 hours, majority vote wins.

I’m not posting to “stir the pot”. I’ve been a commissioner before, and once we had to throw a player out because he conveniently forgot to pay his entrance fee (office league and it was 10 weeks in). Only 4 people made the decision and it ended up backfiring. I realized that when money is involved, everyone should have the right to say “what goes”. Pez and Shack may choose to ignore me, and ultimately chose to not accept me in next years league for voicing my opinion, but Bronco_Beerslug and I are asking the commishes a general information question regarding something that I consider to be the most important factor to our league – money.

Side note! PhillyBroncosNut….. Dude, I counter offered your trade but you are AWAL. We have T-minus 5 hours to do a trade! Come back to check it out por fa-vor.

ØrangeÇrush

11-18-2006, 08:58 PM

Things could have been done differently on both sides, but that's a mute point.

You must mean moot point, because no one is being quiet about it....:wiggle:

ØrangeÇrush

11-18-2006, 09:03 PM

I'm going against LT this week, and I'm glad its this week. We're at home, and its a Schottenheimer team. If there is a way for him to fVck this up, this is the week. I hoping Rivers decides to regress, and Marty forgets he has LT and starts pounding the ball with Eric Parker.

Sassy

11-18-2006, 10:04 PM

Plummer, Jake DEN QB
Betts, Ladell WAS RB
Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB
Holt, Torry STL WR
Muhammad, Muhsin CHI WR
Walker, Javon DEN WR
Smith, L.J. PHI TE
Vinatieri, Adam IND PK
Patriots, New England NEP Def
Submitted Sat Nov 18 1:22:49 p.m. ET 2006

Should I start Maroney over Betts?

ludo21

11-18-2006, 10:26 PM

Hey, at least my wimpy team kicked ludo's wimpy team's ass last week! I am the king of the wimpy teams! :strong:

i want a rematch.

Most my team sucked bad, CP got hurt, and you have a career day. ugh!

Im gonna hear this ALL offseason :~ohyah!:

REB

11-18-2006, 10:38 PM

I've got the same problem in one of my big Dynasty leagues STG. I'm in 1st place by one game in my division and ranked #1 in the power rankings out of 48 teams with 2 games to go and about 100 pts up on the 2nd place team in my division. I've got LT and of course he's my high scorer but I don't want him to do well this week unless he can do so and we still win the game :) Most important thing though of course is that the Broncos win! I'd rather take the loss and battle it out next week for the division then to see the Broncos lose because of LT.

This is my team...

Bulger, Marc STL QB 198.4
Cutler, Jay DEN QB (R) -
Favre, Brett GBP QB (P) 180.0
Dillon, Corey NEP RB 87.8
Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB 69.1
Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB 242.9
Turner, Michael SDC RB 48.2
Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB (R) 27.1
Booker, Marty MIA WR 49.6
Cotchery, Jerricho NYJ WR 79.2
Glenn, Terry DAL WR (P) 71.8
Holt, Torry STL WR 111.7
Walker, Javon DEN WR 127.3
Clark, Desmond CHI TE 67.1
Wilkins, Jeff STL PK 98.0
Broncos, Denver DEN Def 118.0

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

REB

11-18-2006, 10:42 PM

Pardon my bragging if you will but this is my 1st year in a dynasty league so I'm a little proud of my new baby and accomplishments :)

Franchise PF PP Eff Bench Points Max PF Min PF Coulda Won Woulda Lost Power Rank W L T Pct

REB 1166.9 1242.8 93.9% 318.3 158.3 88.8 2 3 65.11 376 93 1 .801
JimHart 1129.7 1275.0 88.6% 432.2 153.8 84.9 2 1 61.53 358 112 0 .762
Fantasy Novice 1047.7 1228.1 85.3% 473.5 122.1 83.3 2 2 59.61 312 157 1 .665
MC126 1054.9 1146.4 92.0% 374.3 132.5 85.5 2 1 57.77 307 163 0 .653
Springles 1071.9 1240.3 86.4% 470.1 145.9 80.1 2 3 57.73 311 159 0 .662
Dominion 1032.1 1213.2 85.1% 529.4 127.7 81 2 3 57.43 294 176 0 .626
PureHell 1051.8 1201.7 87.5% 485.1 125.6 74.9 2 1 57.12 325 142 3 .695
Phubar 1008.0 1163.5 86.6% 429.6 127.3 74.2 1 3 57.04 297 172 1 .633
StoneCutter 1121.4 1218.6 92.0% 309.1 171.7 64.4 2 0 56.68 318 152 0 .677
Coalesce 1052.0 1225.4 85.8% 449.5 146.6 82 2 3 56.11 300 170 0 .638
Titan 1012.6 1099.6 92.1% 272.9 131 69 1 3 54.55 294 176 0 .626
4th & 37 1027.6 1100.3 93.4% 395.8 131.1 70.8 0 1 54.37 293 176 1 .624
Magyc 1065.9 1134.7 93.9% 212.7 141.2 69.8 2 0 52.88 320 149 1 .682
Beerbarian 990.1 1141.6 86.7% 422.0 117.4 74.8 2 4 52.53 265 204 1 .565
ItsGood! 984.4 1100.7 89.4% 411.0 142.9 57.7 1 1 51.81 250 219 1 .533
Injaneer 965.4 1136.1 85.0% 468.7 127.4 48.8 1 2 50.92 265 203 2 .566
Budmonsan 945.3 1100.9 85.9% 458.0 123.6 66.4 1 4 50.65 246 222 2 .526
Boogs34 981.1 1176.6 83.4% 487.2 134 63 2 0 50.36 255 212 3 .546
Newmancrew 952.0 1077.9 88.3% 386.9 135.7 52.6 1 4 50.10 240 230 0 .511
Jerric 992.9 1103.3 90.0% 280.9 127.7 57.3 0 2 49.75 257 213 0 .547
Chuckles 991.2 1092.6 90.7% 281.9 131.1 64.3 1 2 49.04 270 198 2 .577
Mad Puppy 939.3 1044.3 89.9% 438.3 123.5 73 1 2 47.70 230 240 0 .489
Marty1841 937.5 1110.2 84.4% 445.3 116.9 77.2 2 1 47.18 224 244 2 .479
Bohern 905.1 1081.7 83.7% 450.5 117.9 63.9 1 2 45.69 212 257 1 .452
Villy 963.1 1130.6 85.2% 370.9 129.4 58.3 2 0 45.50 245 225 0 .521
Cromagnon 931.0 1058.9 87.9% 399.8 111.8 79.3 3 1 45.36 233 236 1 .497
Bigtexdog 911.8 1029.3 88.6% 411.1 115.9 59.5 2 3 44.80 228 240 2 .487
Habeas Corpus 908.3 1053.8 86.2% 465.6 112.3 54.3 1 1 44.04 213 256 1 .454
Chavez 920.5 1028.2 89.5% 366.3 122.8 54.9 1 0 42.76 213 257 0 .453
NikeJohn 922.8 1091.1 84.6% 409.7 126.6 57.8 3 1 42.71 216 253 1 .461
JmsExpress 852.5 1023.6 83.3% 434.8 119.8 48.1 1 1 42.58 189 280 1 .403
Cyber1 849.0 977.0 86.9% 349.0 113.2 62.4 1 3 41.52 181 288 1 .386
Blzbba 904.5 963.3 93.9% 223.5 124.7 62.5 1 1 41.04 208 261 1 .444
Gridguru 943.5 1045.8 90.2% 249.6 138 70.3 1 2 40.85 208 260 2 .445
Jayp37 851.3 961.1 88.6% 429.2 115.7 46.9 2 1 40.59 180 289 1 .384
Die Hard 865.1 1064.0 81.3% 538.4 120.3 65.4 3 2 40.20 179 290 1 .382
SteelReserve 854.2 990.0 86.3% 353.5 115.3 61.1 0 3 39.44 179 290 1 .382
Thrashers 860.4 1013.4 84.9% 388.7 113.3 57.7 3 0 38.31 172 296 2 .368
BigRedMachineffl 859.8 1024.9 83.9% 412.0 118.8 52.9 3 3 38.24 178 291 1 .380
msiedel 821.5 964.5 85.2% 269.9 118.1 42.8 1 3 38.18 172 298 0 .366
Ray3470 886.7 929.5 95.4% 261.4 119.7 62.8 2 1 37.89 203 267 0 .432
LVSharks 861.6 1016.6 84.8% 452.6 106.6 69.7 5 2 37.44 184 286 0 .391
Vikes_Fan_4_Life 870.5 990.8 87.9% 358.0 118.3 61.2 5 1 35.69 179 290 1 .382
CRF 824.4 982.1 83.9% 379.2 109.9 59.4 1 2 35.38 158 312 0 .336
Ross3650 791.2 1033.1 76.6% 472.6 105.2 66.4 3 4 35.24 137 333 0 .291
Rick the Bear 822.6 983.8 83.6% 372.7 97.9 71.5 3 4 34.16 137 333 0 .291
Sppucke 826.9 950.2 87.0% 414.8 98.4 52.3 2 1 31.91 148 320 2 .317
Smashraj84 722.7 918.1 78.7% 377.0 107.3 42.9 5 1 26.42 100 369 1 .214

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge: