8/1 PM Camp report - Sloppy joes

[Kaylore]

Ok Here we go. I was expecting SoCal to start this thread, but he's probably standing in the rain at Dove Valley so I'll just get it going.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Quiet as Khan speaks!

[Dagmar]

Ok Here we go. I was expecting SoCal to start this thread, but he's probably standing in the rain at Dove Valley so I'll just get it going.
Just saw the pictures of I-25 on Fox during the simpsons...it is pummelling down with rain!

[Kaylore]

So you know all those guys we've been pimping? Well they had bad practices today.

This will be a brief one.

Mike Bell: He had some great runs again and has great vision and quickness. Problem is he fumbled the ball at the goalline.

Kircus: Two drops today and had some route trouble. One was a bad pass, but thow drops is hard when everyone else has good hands.

Scheffler: A drop and a fumble and a bobble. Not a good day for his ball handling abilities. He was lbokcing like a beast today and blew open a huge run on a sort of screen to charlie Adams. Brewster was going nuts on him (in a good way).

Marshall: A fumble, a drop and when he made this great catch over the defenders on a comeback he fell down and didn't run out his catch. After each catch and each carry after the play is dead you run the ball down to the other endzone. He just got up and started walking back and Steve Watson was in his ear screaming.

QB's next.

[no-pseudo-fan]

You cann't always be perfect.

[Inkana7]

You cann't always be perfect.
John Elway found a way.

[Kaylore]

Jay Cutler: Dude the guy is amazine and is easily the most accurate passer out there. I'm sorry to say he is his more accurate than Jake. He throws lazers and they can't be defended. On a rollout he hit Cecil Sapp right in the hands and Cukwurah had perfect coverage. Jake throws a nice fade which is one of the harder passes to master. He's very good. On another play he was blitzed, held the ball until the last minute and threw it to Cahrlie Adams as he was hit. The ball was high and in and landed in the only place Adams could get it. Smart play.

Jake: He did alright. Made some nice throws. He only threw into double coverage twice and they hit their marks. Nothing bad yet. We haven't really had any intereptions this camp, which is kind of odd. Lots of fumbles today.

BVP: SoCal and I decided that BVP likes to try and get his receivers as injured as possible when he throws. Yes he can hit some guys and he had a nice throw now and again, but the overwhelming theme was that the guy he was throwing to was probably going to get destroyed by a safety or a linebacker.

Parsons: Limited action. Imagine Matt Mauk with more guts and little better arm.

Wideouts:

[no-pseudo-fan]

I watched his whole career. I saw a pass slightly overthrown in 88.

[Florida_Bronco]

Kaylore - would you attribute this to the rain? ???

[no-pseudo-fan]

Do you think Cutler is #2 by the end of TC?

[Kaylore]

Two guys really stood out to me.

Brian Clark: He had some grat catches today and got some work on the third and second team. He has a great verticle and nice hands for a track guy. Not a bad player.

David Terrell: These last few practices have been really good for David. He isn't playing with the confidence that Marshall is (or was), but he is being consistant and catching the ball. Might be a sleeper number three.

Darius Watts. Didn't see much action and had a drop. Booooooooo.

What else... Linemen

Chris Kuper: This guy is going to be great Dennison couldn't stop complimenting him. In drills it was hard for anyone to get by him. Dumervil did and I think that was it. His run blocking is pretty good too. I thought it would suck since he isn't coming from a zone system but it's better than advertised.

Dumervill: He was in the offense's backfield a lot and got some sacks and preassure. The kid plays and has a high motor. That motor is what sepperates him from some of the other guys.

George Foster: Man this guy is so big and so bad. He led Dumervil just run around hima and just kind of swatted at him feebly. It's like he doesn't play with any tenacity. He's so huge and looks so strong and he's so blah.

Adam meadows: He praticed today and wasn't that great. Being out of football seems to have affected his play. He was a good size, though. I think he could be alright with some more practice time.

Chad Mustard: He took a lot of snaps on the first team double tight end sets this camp. He blocks well and that's proving to once again be the critical factor in making shanahan's team. The good news is that Chef is getting better.

Linebackers next

[Kaylore]

Kaylore - would you attribute this to the rain? ???
Would I attribute what to the rain?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Do you think Cutler is #2 by the end of TC?

It's his. The #3 runs the scout team during the week and Jay won't be learning the offense if he's doing that.

[Paladin]

Pretty obvious, don't you think? BVP is seemingly rather limited. To bad because I reallly was pulling for him to do well, but this dance is being taken over by JayCEE.

Does JayCEE need someone help pack his cape after practice? I think I could find nearly three hundred volunteers.....

Can't wait to see him in a game-like situation.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Watts needs to get his sh1t together

[Hulamau]

Do you think Cutler is #2 by the end of TC?


I;d bet that is a given at this rate.

[Kaylore]

I changed my mind. I'm going to talk about Ernster.

Paul Ernster practiced kickoffs and punts today with Michah Knorr. Ernster is still the farthest kicker. I just hope that it translates to production on the field.

Kircus, Marshall and Mike Bell all looked good on kick returns. I'll answer questions now. I'm tired.

[Florida_Bronco]

Would I attribute what to the rain?

The sloppy play.

(maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded like it was pouring at camp)

[no-pseudo-fan]

How are the other RB's looking?

[Kaylore]

The sloppy play.

(maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded like it was pouring at camp)
That's a good queestion. It is raining now but it wasn't when we were there. In fact it was quite pleasant.

The reason that it was sloppy is because it was one week into camp and they've been running two-a-days. Players always look bad in the afternoon because they've been working out, running drills and have already had a practice that morning. You're tired, it's hard to focus and and you're not as strong. Ugly stuff usually happens in the evening (including injuries.) Those guys are new so they're going to have bad days.

[Kaylore]

How are the other RB's looking?
Cedric Cobbs actually had some nice runs today. He's gotten better. He cut back and ran more fluidly. Nothing amazing, but an improvement. Eric Johnsons had one run that was alright.

[Florida_Bronco]

Thanks for clearing that up Kaylore.

[bpc]

Jay Cutler: Dude the guy is amazine and is easily the most accurate passer out there. I'm sorry to say he is his more accurate than Jake. He throws lazers and they can't be defended. On a rollout he hit Cecil Sapp right in the hands and Cukwurah had perfect coverage. Jake throws a nice fade which is one of the harder passes to master. He's very good. On another play he was blitzed, held the ball until the last minute and threw it to Cahrlie Adams as he was hit. The ball was high and in and landed in the only place Adams could get it. Smart play.

Jake: He did alright. Made some nice throws. He only threw into double coverage twice and they hit their marks. Nothing bad yet. We haven't really had any intereptions this camp, which is kind of odd. Lots of fumbles today.

BVP: SoCal and I decided that BVP likes to try and get his receivers as injured as possible when he throws. Yes he can hit some guys and he had a nice throw now and again, but the overwhelming theme was that the guy he was throwing to was probably going to get destroyed by a safety or a linebacker.

Parsons: Limited action. Imagine Matt Mauk with more guts and little better arm.

Wideouts:


Plain and simple, you can't bring a knife to a gunfight. BVP would have out of the league a long time ago had Shanahan not had mercy on his soul... and Danny Kanell was our other option.

For the record Jake is bringing a 9mm and Cutler has a frickin bazooka.

I love hearing about Jay. I can't wait to see him in games with live bullets.

Here is a crazy question... what if Jay is clearly the better QB for this offense after the preseason? Do we pull the switch like Shanahan did in 1999 putting Griese in for Brister right before the season started? I don't think we should do that but it poses a interesting question.

[Rascal]

George Foster: Man this guy is so big and so bad. He led Dumervil just run around hima and just kind of swatted at him feebly. It's like he doesn't play with any tenacity. He's so huge and looks so strong and he's so blah.

I've questioned/criticized Foster's tenacity and desire frequently. Nobody has ever agreed with me. Maybe now they will.

[Florida_Bronco]

Here is a crazy question... what if Jay is clearly the better QB for this offense after the preseason? Do we pull the switch like Shanahan did in 1999 putting Griese in for Brister right before the season started? I don't think we should do that but it poses a interesting question.

As I understand, Bubby was just a complete slack off that offseason, which is what caused that whole situation.

[bpc]

G. Damn Foster! What are you doing out there?

You think there was a reason he only had like 8 starts to his name in college? You have to want it son! All the potential in the world and he is content to just be out there.

The sad thing is, if he hasn't gotten now, he probably won't. Not in Denver.

[plummershelper]

Khan, how do the DT's besides Warren and Myers look, ie Gordon, Veal, and Burton? Also, who else are they sliding in to DT for passing downs besides Elvis?

[Rascal]

Yeah I'm beginning to think that it might be a good idea to try and find a replacement for him. I doubt Meadows is nothing more then insurance since Foster is far from being injury free (plus it was convienient to get him right after Roaf retired...maybe a coincidence who knows).

[Kaylore]

Here is a crazy question... what if Jay is clearly the better QB for this offense after the preseason? Do we pull the switch like Shanahan did in 1999 putting Griese in for Brister right before the season started? I don't think we should do that but it poses a interesting question.
That has been asked. Griese had been in our system a full year prior to that training camp and Brister slacked off that year. I have serious doubt about Cutler being the better option right out of camp. Plummer would need to start sucking REAL bad to warrant that.

[Kaylore]

Khan, how do the DT's besides Warren and Myers look, ie Gordon, Veal, and Burton? Also, who else are they sliding in to DT for passing downs besides Elvis?
Average. With any linemen I try to look for consistancy (Consisantly bad or consistantly good). They run drills all the time so I only notice guys who are winning a lot, losing a lot or little things like they are having the same problem with the same move over and over again.

One guy that is making some noise is Antwon Burton. He gets good push and plays the run really well. Nothing spectacular, but he's having a good camp.

[plummershelper]

Thanks Khan, I'd been dying to hear about our depth there. I still feel like that's our biggest point of weakness.

[no-pseudo-fan]

What kind of technique is Elvis using to get pass the line? Is it a combo of moves? Is it the suddenness of the moves? Do you think he's polished, or does he have room for improvement?

[Kaylore]

What kind of technique is Elvis using to get pass the line? Is it a combo of moves? Is it the suddenness of the moves? Do you think he's polished, or does he have room for improvement? I've been waiting for this question and it's time for me to eat crow. I disagreed with someone that any rookie can come into the league with good technique. Generally a rush end coming out of college is lucky to have one or two moves pretty nailed down. The reason is that most young guys get to the QB on their talent and raw strength. Dumervil is a polished defensive linem and and he's intelligent. He has about five moves that he uses really well and is adding others. It's not just knowing the move but it's knowing how and when to use it and working with your buddies to give each other the best chance against a guy. Dumervil is very good.

[DenverBrit]

As I understand, Bubby was just a complete slack off that offseason, which is what caused that whole situation.


Not sure about TC, but he really stank it up in the pre-season games. That was the clincher for Shanny, Brister was awful. After he was replaced, he acted as if his pre-season shouldn't have mattered.

His attitude was: 'Well, if I'd known there was a competion and my perfomance was going to be judged, I would have tried harder.' He really thought the starting job was his, no matter how badly he played. Strange attitude.

[Steve Sewell]

Jay Cutler: Dude the guy is amazine and is easily the most accurate passer out there. I'm sorry to say he is his more accurate than Jake. He throws lazers and they can't be defended. On a rollout he hit Cecil Sapp right in the hands and Cukwurah had perfect coverage. Jake throws a nice fade which is one of the harder passes to master. He's very good. On another play he was blitzed, held the ball until the last minute and threw it to Cahrlie Adams as he was hit. The ball was high and in and landed in the only place Adams could get it. Smart play.



Man, can you imagine the team meltdown if Shanahan decides to bench the veteran for an unproven QB again? What does Shanny do if Cutler clearly outperforms Plummer during the preseason (like Griese did to Bubby in 99)?

I don't think he'll do it, because I think Jake can take us to the SB with the addition of a healthy Javon Walker.

[Kaylore]

Fred approached SoCal today and asked him what he was writing on his notebook. So he responds "there's not a bomb in here, Fred" and Fred just stared at him and walked away. I just laughed and looked at SoCal and all he could say was "that was the first thing that came to mind." Hilarious!

[Steve Sewell]

Two guys really stood out to me.

Brian Clark: He had some grat catches today and got some work on the third and second team. He has a great verticle and nice hands for a track guy. Not a bad player.

David Terrell: These last few practices have been really good for David. He isn't playing with the confidence that Marshall is (or was), but he is being consistant and catching the ball. Might be a sleeper number three.

Darius Watts. Didn't see much action and had a drop. Booooooooo.

What else... Linemen

Chris Kuper: This guy is going to be great Dennison couldn't stop complimenting him. In drills it was hard for anyone to get by him. Dumervil did and I think that was it. His run blocking is pretty good too. I thought it would suck since he isn't coming from a zone system but it's better than advertised.

Dumervill: He was in the offense's backfield a lot and got some sacks and preassure. The kid plays and has a high motor. That motor is what sepperates him from some of the other guys.

George Foster: Man this guy is so big and so bad. He led Dumervil just run around hima and just kind of swatted at him feebly. It's like he doesn't play with any tenacity. He's so huge and looks so strong and he's so blah.

Adam meadows: He praticed today and wasn't that great. Being out of football seems to have affected his play. He was a good size, though. I think he could be alright with some more practice time.

Chad Mustard: He took a lot of snaps on the first team double tight end sets this camp. He blocks well and that's proving to once again be the critical factor in making shanahan's team. The good news is that Chef is getting better.

Linebackers next


You heard it here first...Kuper starts ahead of Carlisle this year.

[Kaylore]

You heard it here first...Kuper starts ahead of Carlisle this year.
Carlisle has been doing well himself. I don't think that's going to happen.

[Broncoman13]

Plain and simple, you can't bring a knife to a gunfight. BVP would have out of the league a long time ago had Shanahan not had mercy on his soul... and Danny Kanell was our other option.

For the record Jake is bringing a 9mm and Cutler has a frickin bazooka.

I love hearing about Jay. I can't wait to see him in games with live bullets.

Here is a crazy question... what if Jay is clearly the better QB for this offense after the preseason? Do we pull the switch like Shanahan did in 1999 putting Griese in for Brister right before the season started? I don't think we should do that but it poses a interesting question.

I'm scared to death that will happen. Bring JayC along slowly. I don't care how you cut it, Griese had a year under his belt and Bubby was no Jake Plummer. I hope for Jay's career that he doesn't get thrown in too early. We can't spend time trying to groom the rookie while at the same time inputing the game plan and trying to win a Super Bowl. Jay is more talented than Jake. That much is obvious, but our best chance for a Super Bowl this year is Jake Plummer!


Khan, you've talked about Jay's ability to move around in the pocket and throw well on the run. Here's a question about his mobility though. Is he similar to Jake in speed/quickness, or just savvy enough to move around to avoid the defense?

[Kaylore]

I'm scared to death that will happen. Bring JayC along slowly. I don't care how you cut it, Griese had a year under his belt and Bubby was no Jake Plummer. I hope for Jay's career that he doesn't get thrown in too early. We can't spend time trying to groom the rookie while at the same time inputing the game plan and trying to win a Super Bowl. Jay is more talented than Jake. That much is obvious, but our best chance for a Super Bowl this year is Jake Plummer!


Khan, you've talked about Jay's ability to move around in the pocket and throw well on the run. Here's a question about his mobility though. Is he similar to Jake in speed/quickness, or just savvy enough to move around to avoid the defense? It's more calculating and less skittish. Jake likes to move around gunslinger fashion to make plays. Like when he rolls out on a boot it looks like he's stollen bread from someone and is running for his life. Jay just moves around in the pocket and generally tries to stay inside looking for receivers down field.. Even his rollouts are very deliberate and his eyes never stop looking down field.

[Jorden]

Hey Kaylore do you think Mike Bell can give Tatum and Ron a good run for that number 1 position?

[Kaylore]

Hey Kaylore do you think Mike Bell can give Tatum and Ron a good run for that number 1 position?
If he plays like he practices this preseason, yes, though I gotta say that Tatum Bell is looking better each day.

[Broncoman13]

From all your reports Khan, it really sounds like Jay is a lot further along than many of us expected. There are somethings you can't teach, and other things that take some players years and years to learn. Jay seems to have those things that you can't teach, and doesn't have a problem learning the other things quickly.

Jake had to work real hard on just throwing the ball away when nothing was open. Have you seen JayC do the same thing? I'm sure right now he's at a stage that makes him want to show off his rocket and thread the needle, but if he has the presence to just throw it away already then he is light years further along than I would have imagined.

[Broncoman13]

It's more calculating and less skittish. Jake likes to move around gunslinger fashion to make plays. Like when he rolls out on a boot it looks like he's stollen bread from someone and is running for his life. Jay just moves around in the pocket and generally tries to stay inside looking for receivers down field.. Even his rollouts are very deliberate and his eyes never stop looking down field.


So speed and quickness wise you would say that Jake is faster? Like in a 'the cops are after me and I've got to get away' type of way?

[Broncoman13]

If he plays like he practices this preseason, yes, though I gotta say that Tatum Bell is looking better each day.


Dude, please change your adopt-a-bronco... it's killing me seeing his name there!

[Kaylore]

From all your reports Khan, it really sounds like Jay is a lot further along than many of us expected. There are somethings you can't teach, and other things that take some players years and years to learn. Jay seems to have those things that you can't teach, and doesn't have a problem learning the other things quickly.

Jake had to work real hard on just throwing the ball away when nothing was open. Have you seen JayC do the same thing? I'm sure right now he's at a stage that makes him want to show off his rocket and thread the needle, but if he has the presence to just throw it away already then he is light years further along than I would have imagined.
Actually he did that today. Jay rolled out, coverage was good, and then he threw it away. Jay hasn't really forced anything yet.

You know on opening day of camp I was real worried because Jay was real raw and making a lot of mistakes. He just didn't look good and I thought "oh man this kid is going to be a multi-year project." He's progressed so fast in so little time that he should be ready to play in a year.

[Kaylore]

Dude, please change your adopt-a-bronco... it's killing me seeing his name there! Killing you? Wait until you see what he does for us on the Chiefs.

So speed and quickness wise you would say that Jake is faster? Like in a 'the cops are after me and I've got to get away' type of way?
Jake has better evasion skills because he's smaller but Jay doesn't seem to "freak" as much. I'll say that they are about the same when it comes to throwing the ball under duress.

[Ray Finkle]

Yeah I'm beginning to think that it might be a good idea to try and find a replacement for him. I doubt Meadows is nothing more then insurance since Foster is far from being injury free (plus it was convienient to get him right after Roaf retired...maybe a coincidence who knows).


I am willing give him a little more time in the preseason before thinking about replacing him....

[bpc]

Killing you? Wait until you see what he does for us on the Chiefs.

Thats f'n hillarious. Can I have Lional Dalton? I hear he is finally "hungry" this year. I thought he would have satisfied that his first year in Denver when he said the same thing.

God that guy sucks. Walls is the same. I can't wait to have that stiff peg legged CB getting crossed up by Rod and Javon. Hell if I'm one of the vet Bronco WR's, i'm begging Shanahan to run five wide so we can see who wins the lottery and gets be defended by good ol' Lenny!

[bpc]

I think Jay is going to be one of those efficient scramblers like Elway. When he is practicing, you won't see the real speed however when games start he is going to turn it on and pick up that 1st down... or pressure the corner to come fill the zone and fling it over the top of his head.

[Broncoman13]

Killing you? Wait until you see what he does for us on the Chiefs.


Jake has better evasion skills because he's smaller but Jay doesn't seem to "freak" as much. I'll say that they are about the same when it comes to throwing the ball under duress.


With Law and Surtain there, I doubt he'll see much time. I'd be suprised if he makes their 52. I see your point though. I'd love to see him matched up with DWatts or Marshall. Watts would abuse him and leave his ankle all Phucked up again... Marshall would toss his not tackling ass to the side as he ran in for a 40 yard TD! BUT, that being said... you have a Chef attached to your name. You should feel dirty! Not as in you need a shower dirty, but as in you need to scrub your body down with white phosphorous dirty!

[Broncoman13]

I think Jay is going to be one of those efficient scramblers like Elway. When he is practicing, you won't see the real speed however when games start he is going to turn it on and pick up that 1st down... or pressure the corner to come fill the zone and fling it over the top of his head.


That's what I'm counting on... but not seeing much of him in the past has me wondering. Is he fast or does he just have great field awareness/presence?

[Steve Sewell]

From all your reports Khan, it really sounds like Jay is a lot further along than many of us expected. There are somethings you can't teach, and other things that take some players years and years to learn. Jay seems to have those things that you can't teach, and doesn't have a problem learning the other things quickly.

Jake had to work real hard on just throwing the ball away when nothing was open. Have you seen JayC do the same thing? I'm sure right now he's at a stage that makes him want to show off his rocket and thread the needle, but if he has the presence to just throw it away already then he is light years further along than I would have imagined.

I hate to say this because I don't want to jinx it...but I think we have a really special player on our hands in Cutler. He's not just going to manage games for us...he's going to win a bunch of games by himself...God I can't wait!

[Steve Sewell]

I hate to say this because I don't want to jinx it...but I think we have a really special player on our hands in Cutler. He's not just going to manage games for us...he's going to win a bunch of games by himself...God I can't wait!

Let me add...I've watched plenty of Elway's Stanford video, and he was simply the most amazing college player I've ever seen...at any position! Probably a little homerism, but I'm sure there are others here that would agree that he's one of the best CFB players that they've ever seen.

I'm not saying that Cutler will be that or is that, but I got a little of the same feeling watching his college vids that were out here during the draft. He's just an amazing competitor, has a huge arm, is tough as nails, big, and can run too.

[Steve Sewell]

That's what I'm counting on... but not seeing much of him in the past has me wondering. Is he fast or does he just have great field awareness/presence?

He was recruited to Vandy as an option QB...does that answer your question?

[Broncoman13]

Sort of... if memory serves though he was a 190# kid when he was recruited as well. 35 lbs makes a big difference. Naturally, he can take a hit better, but he's probably not as fast either. Doesn't make much of a difference though. I don't really want him out there pulling a VY and running all over the place. His job is to make plays with his arm, but a little Elway magic never hurts!

[Rock Chalk]

So you know all those guys we've been pimping? Well they had bad practices today.

This will be a brief one.

Mike Bell: He had some great runs again and has great vision and quickness. Problem is he fumbled the ball at the goalline.

Kircus: Two drops today and had some route trouble. One was a bad pass, but thow drops is hard when everyone else has good hands.

Scheffler: A drop and a fumble and a bobble. Not a good day for his ball handling abilities. He was lbokcing like a beast today and blew open a huge run on a sort of screen to charlie Adams. Brewster was going nuts on him (in a good way).

Marshall: A fumble, a drop and when he made this great catch over the defenders on a comeback he fell down and didn't run out his catch. After each catch and each carry after the play is dead you run the ball down to the other endzone. He just got up and started walking back and Steve Watson was in his ear screaming.

QB's next.
Finally, a dose of reality.

Christ, I was beginning to think we had already won the next Superbowl ;)

[*WARHORSE*]

Which runningback is having the longest runs against the first team defense?

GW by the way!

[Broncoman13]

As of late it sounds like Tatum and Mike Bell. Ding and Dong as coined by Baja or Quite-a-Tiger... can't remember which? ;D

[elsid13]

Bell and Marshall need to hold onto the ball. When the next break for the guys?

[bpc]

Let me add...I've watched plenty of Elway's Stanford video, and he was simply the most amazing college player I've ever seen...at any position! Probably a little homerism, but I'm sure there are others here that would agree that he's one of the best CFB players that they've ever seen.

I'm not saying that Cutler will be that or is that, but I got a little of the same feeling watching his college vids that were out here during the draft. He's just an amazing competitor, has a huge arm, is tough as nails, big, and can run too.

Isn't it funny that when Elway was at Stanford and Cutler was at Vandy, neither QB took their teams to a bowl game. That is just simply insane.

I feel the same way that you do about Cutler... I think this kid is going to be real good. He is lucky though. He is coming in with a great organization, a beautiful system to play in which is stocked with weapons for his disposal, a head coaches/coaches who have worked with super bowl champions, mvp's and multiple pro bowl QB's and also a QB who isn't looking to stab him in the back but yet help him grow. Cutler is being put in one of the best positions to succeed and the great part is, he has the tools to do it already. His skills on the field are apparent. The thing that impresses me the most is his coolness in the face of pressure. Denver is not an easy town on QB's and maybe we are still in the honeymoon face but he has taken the draft hype, media frenzy, contract negotiations, and learning experience and batted them all down with his wit and smile. He seems like one of the 'boys' per say as in the team is just going to rally around him and when it is time to put him in as the starter, it is going to be a very smooth transition.

He has done everything right so far. I can't wait to see this guy develope. Could you imagine if he is a more efficient Brett Favre? That would be insane.

[elsid13]

The worse thing that happen to Cutler is the Mane' TC reports. To much good news. The Fans are going to start to believe that he ready to play now in the NFL. Folks he might be good, but he is not ready to take a snap in real game, right now.

[Darkdoc]

If Tatum and Mike Bell ever learned which Maner named them "Ding and Dong", they would hack Taco's server, obtain the necessary personal information about the guy responsible, and slit his throat at night while sleeping. Twice.

After killing his dog.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Fred approached SoCal today and asked him what he was writing on his notebook. So he responds "there's not a bomb in here, Fred" and Fred just stared at him and walked away. I just laughed and looked at SoCal and all he could say was "that was the first thing that came to mind." Hilarious!

ROFL!

That guy is nuts.

[lookin' glass]

Don't know if it's already been posted and since it's becoming religious his initials are JC!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Can I have Lional Dalton? I hear he is finally "hungry" this year. I thought he would have satisfied that his first year in Denver when he said the same thing.

God that guy sucks.

Actually, Dalton has been a very solid starter in KC. He's got a great attitude and he's worked very hard this year. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Broncoman13]

Fred approached SoCal today and asked him what he was writing on his notebook. So he responds "there's not a bomb in here, Fred" and Fred just stared at him and walked away. I just laughed and looked at SoCal and all he could say was "that was the first thing that came to mind." Hilarious!


That actually reminds me of a story with PhillyBroncosNut and Trevor Pryce. Philly said about the stupidest thing to Trev b/c "that was the first thing that came to mind." CLASSIC!

[Vegas_Bronco]

Tell Fred you work for the Raiders or Chefs organization and ask him what he wants for Lelie? Tell him you have a perfect play drawn up and to take it over to Shannahan. Ask Fred if he can hear a pen scratching paper from a mile away? Ask him if he sleeps with a knife under his pillow? Ask him what his 40 time is? Ask Fred if he knows Chuck Norris!

[elsid13]

I think it would be great for one on one interview with Fred and Mane Staff. It needs to be serious, because we don't want to piss off the front office. But I have strange feeling this guy could be the insider we need, if we treat him with respect.

[(Jae)]

Watts needs to get his sh1t together


Truer(?) words haven't been spoken this offseason.

[Hulamau]

That won't happen, but its nice to know if Plummer goes down or somehow really stinks it up this year (which is unlikely) we have the answer in waiting and don't have to go through all the hand wriinging for another season wonderng which Free Agent QB we can scavange from another team in the off season! Or wondering what kind of project we would have to depend on in the draft.

I cant think of a better situation for both Cutler AND all of us Bronco faithful!

Bottom line Jake is is good QB and has a great familiarity with the system and the team and should be the starter this year unless proven otherwise during the season. And yet, there just isnt much comparison in overall accuracy and arm strength between the two.

Jake is decent enough, but will always be hit and miss beyond 25 yards and that is his limitation. Cutler can bomb it from anywhere on the field and get it there in stride which is HUGE.

Now he just needs the time and experience to gel all around and get comfortable with the speed of the NFL and reading all the defenses. Then his arm and skill will move him into the top spot quite naturally and without much argument I suspect.

And I imagine Jake also sees the writing quite clearly on the wall from watching Cutler progress in camp.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm sorry to say he is his more accurate than Jake.

Why on earth would you be sorry to say that? ;D

[Mediator12]

More Notes:

It is fun watching the WR's in the afternoon, because Javon and Rod do not play. That means the younger guys get more reps and are easier to evaluate.

Brian Clark-this kid is starting to get it. Had nine catches tonight against all kinds of coverage. Did I mention he is real fast with Hands ;D He beat all the CB's and found some seams in the zone. I wish he could return kicks, then Charlie Adams would be history IMHO up to this point.

-Watts was not as bad tonight IMHO. I missed his drop, but I saw about four catches and one was real nice.

-Marshall came down to earth a little bit but made a few tough catches along the touchline.


On to the Secondary-Struggled a bit this afternoon, with Darrent and Fox missing a couple of INT opportunities. The zone installation is getting much better though. Guys were quicker and in the right spots for the most part. Only Blown assignment was by Abdullah when he went outside the numbers and was supposed to be inside. I believe that was a Brian Clark catch. Man coverage in the redzone was really bad by the Second LB's and Safeties. Goalline offense ran a Ton of Bootlegs and PA (Yeah, big surprise but they ran it more than they did last year)

Foxworth-Great afternoon, but missed one INT and had an opportunity for another that just fell out of reach. Zone coverage was the best of the group this afternoon and he consistently arrived with the ball. Got beat by Clark underneath and outside but they were excellent routes and throws.

Williams-still struggling with the reads a little and if he hadn't would have probably picked two instead of just getting a hand on it. Got thrown over twice again, but is really good in the running game support. I think people underestimate his hitting ability because he is small. He got into it with Cornell Green and rode him into the sidelines for pushing him in the back on a running play. Funniest thing I have seen at camp yet ;D BTW, his ankle is fine.

Paymah-was better in the zones but not good enough. Played real well in the Goalline defense and was the Only DB to not surrender a TD. Had a sack on a bootleg and was excellent in run support. Was decent in man coverage and no one threw his way. Good thing Williams and Foxworth had Clark tonight I guess.

Shoate- was better tonight. Not so much thrown his way, and he knoced one out of Kircus's hands as well.

Roc- again not as polished in the zone as he and Paymah play a lot alike. HAd a few breakups on the deep sidelines.

Antwan Rogers-Got a decent amount of plays tonight and was just average. He is taller and got caught leaning the wrong way on a couple of coverages, but the throws were not good enough to beat him.

Ferguson-just solid play. I just wish he was making more plays like he did in late 2003.

Curome Cox-starts for Lynch in the evenings. Real good instincts in the zone and deep coverage. Had a few Pass Breakups and would have killed David Terrell in live action off a throw from BVP I think. He has benefitted a lot with Brandon being out with the Hammy.

[baja]

If Tatum and Mike Bell ever learned which Maner named them "Ding and Dong", they would hack Taco's server, obtain the necessary personal information about the guy responsible, and slit his throat at night while sleeping. Twice.

After killing his dog.

hey that was me and bring um om I'll take Ding and Dong with one hand teid behind my back. I'll even tell them where I am I'm in Spain near the coast by the big rock the black one..... By the dumpster.

[Kaylore]

Hey Med do you know where SoCal is?

[kamakazi_kal]

Hey Med do you know where SoCal is?

in california..........sorry im very bored......aug.11th here we come

[Mediator12]

Hamzah-Is starting to come on when he remembers the play ;D Had a few breakups and Kircus dropped another one when he saw him drawing a bead on him. Good Blitzer and good run Support.

Tyler Everett- a little behind due to that stupid quarter system Policy that prevents players from participating until their class has finished school. the Good thing is he was studying the calls with Ryan Slowik and trying to get as much help as possible. Good in zone coverage OK in man. Got abused in the goalline drills though in coverage and I am not sure he knew all his reads.

questions?

[Mediator12]

Hey Med do you know where SoCal is?

Took him back to the Hotel. Have not heard from him since. You call him?

[Kaylore]

Took him back to the Hotel. Have not heard from him since. You call him?
No. When did you take him back?

[Steve Sewell]

Actually, Dalton has been a very solid starter in KC. He's got a great attitude and he's worked very hard this year. Sorry to disappoint you.

LOL...Dalton's a sack of sh!t and everyone knows it. That's why he went out looking for a contract this offseason, got no love whatsoever, and re-signed with the Chiefs.

[Florida_Bronco]

Med, how did Middlebrooks look today?

[Hulamau]

http://cbs4denver.com/video/?cid=97

Check out this video of Adam Meadows interview after his fisrt practice today. I love the guys passion and desire to come back. It'll take himn a few weeks to get back in football shape and adust to a mile high while he learns our system but I remeber what a great player he has been and with his desire he could be a huge plus for us, even just spelling Foster when he starts to fag out in a game or maybe Cooper Carlise at guard.

[bpc]

I hope Meadows can come in and push Foster. That guy is getting on my $hit list.

[RustDragon]

Awesome camp reports guys. Please keep doing it. It's the only thing I got here in Japan.
Incidentally, maybe in one of these reports you could put the new guys numbers next to their names. I watch the videos online but I'm lost on who I'm watching except for the vets. I'd imagine you have them all memorized by now. Of course only if it's not too much trouble and you think of it while writing up the report. Is Jay's number 11??
Could Foster's lack of hard work be due to training camp just starting? It seems like big guys take awhile to ramp up, and I have never noticed him taking plays off in real games.

[Durango]

Boy, the news on Foster is discouraging. That entire draft year went south for the Broncos I think.

I hope he wakes up, but I doubt the Broncos would consider releasing him. Maybe not this year anyway.

[watermock]

To get Blade, Javon, Scheff, Marshall, The Tasmainian Devil...We throw the OL kids on the PS. If we can get 5 out of the this draft I'll be happy.

We throw Hixon on the IR. Kircus and Eslinger on the PS. Dumervill is going to be disruptive IMO. Jury out on that. I still think this is one of the best drafts in Denver history.

[broncocalijohn]

I've questioned/criticized Foster's tenacity and desire frequently. Nobody has ever agreed with me. Maybe now they will.

i always felt it. We have much less weighted guys. Our guys move and get the DL pooped out. He has been here long enough to be able to hit his stride. That stride isnt very long. Ill take George Foster, the old Cincinnati Reds Outfielder from the 70s right now.

[kent156]

can't wait to see Dumervill in preseason to see if he can be a playmaker

great job on the reports Kaylore, Med and Socal :thumbsup:

[Odysseus]

As of late it sounds like Tatum and Mike Bell. Ding and Dong as coined by Baja or Quite-a-Tiger... can't remember which? ;D

Hilarious! Duuuuuude that was Baja!

I want to see Mike Bell steals it from both these guys. Faster than Dayne and better vision than Bell. That sounds like an upgrade to me. Tatum is scary with his speed but he runs blind. It's a fun competition to be sure.

Thanks for the great reports guys.

Will someone please get Cutler his crowned tiara and jeweled slippers?

[BroncoBuff]

I've questioned/criticized Foster's tenacity and desire frequently. Nobody has ever agreed with me. Maybe now they will.
I can vouch for you, because I have been too, and I recall you agreeing.

I went further, though .... about a month ago in the "predictions" thread, I chose Foster being cut as my "Biggest Shock of Pre-Season." I wouldn't bet on it, but something is VERY STRANGE when a journeyman like Cornell Green can breeze into town and take half your snaps. Almost as strange is the opening day of camp when Shanny out-bids four other teams for Meadows.

FOLLOW THE LOGIC: If Cornell Green is already good enough to take half your snaps, then what the heck are they doing fighting and winning a bidding war for ANOTHER guy? It's not to replace Green.

[BroncoBuff]

Maybe these troubles Watts has with catching the stupid ball is the severe nerve damage in his fingers .... guys, has he tried gloves? Is he wearing any in camp?

[RicksDawg]

For what it's worth, the Broncos contacted Meadows a few days before Roaf retired.

[Florida_Bronco]

I can vouch for you, because I have been too, and I recall you agreeing.

I went further, though .... about a month ago in the "predictions" thread, I chose Foster being cut as my "Biggest Shock of Pre-Season." I wouldn't bet on it, but something is VERY STRANGE when a journeyman like Cornell Green can breeze into town and take half your snaps. Almost as strange is the opening day of camp when Shanny out-bids four other teams for Meadows.

FOLLOW THE LOGIC: If Cornell Green is already good enough to take half your snaps, then what the heck are they doing fighting and winning a bidding war for ANOTHER guy? It's not to replace Green.
Foster was pretty hampered by an injury last year, which is why Green was getting so many snaps. You also have to remember Green is getting up in years himself (32 now IIRC) and may not hold up to a whole season of abuse.

[Dedhed]

I can see Meadows starting inside if he plays to form and Foster doesn't continue to regress.

[Florida_Bronco]

I can see Meadows starting inside if he plays to form and Foster doesn't continue to regress.

Foster hasn't regressed, he's just half assing it in camp and needs to turn it up a notch.

[i4jelway7]

Heres a link for some more training camp fixes

http://koa2-ip.clearchannel.com/cc-common/podcast.html

[Rascal]

Broncos Training Camp Report
By Cecil Lammey
8/1/06

The weather was very nice today. Overcast skies kept the temperatures cool, and the players were happy to get a break from the heat. Bob Stoops and the OU coaching staff was here today. College coaches frequently come to pro camps to watch and learn. It’s just usually teams from in the immediate area. Coach Shanahan had this to say about Stoops & co., “I spent a couple years at Oklahoma, and of course I followed Bob at Florida. He’s a heck of a head coach, and it was good to spend a little time with him last night.” Let’s get right to it…

Jake Plummer continues to make good reads. He goes through his progressions, and has done a good job of putting the ball where his receiver can get it, and the defense can’t. CB Darrent Williams likes the way the offense is looking, “They look good. I think they’re probably one of the best offenses, top five for sure in this league. They make us look better and we feel like we’re one of the best defenses like we were last year. We feel like we’re better this year, and they feel like they have to start making plays against us. We kind of see what kind of offense we have and they are going to be one of the best offenses in the league this year.”

Jay Cutler has a great arm. He led the offense down the field again, although this time it didn’t result in a TD, just a FG. He can stand in the pocket, deliver the throw, take a beating, and get back up and do it again. He threw one to Charlie Adams where he got hit as he threw, yet calmly delivered the ball on target. He also can read the blitz and go to the hot route with good consistency. He seems to be learning more each day, and is taking the kind of strides that you wouldn’t normally expect from a rookie. Although Sal Palontonio said, “He’s no Kellen Clemens.”

Bradlee Van Pelt keeps getting his WR’s in trouble with his errant throws. Too often his receivers have to overextend to catch a pass, thereby making them vulnerable to the big hit. If it happens once in a great while then WR’s won’t complain. When your M.O. is to throw bad passes, your WR’s will turn on you quick. He makes some nice (dump off) throws here and there, but I don’t believe he’ll hold onto his #2 job much longer.

Ron Dayne is back to dancing behind the line of scrimmage. It will be a total waste if he blows this incredible opportunity to be “the man” in Denver. He did not run with much decisiveness, and the determination that was seen earlier in camp is gone. I don’t know if the 2-a-days are catching up with him, but this makes a couple of practices in a row that he’s been outdone by the other backs.

Tatum Bell is making a push for the full-time #1 RB spot in Denver. He is running through trash at the line of scrimmage better than he ever has. I like his balance when he runs, although his instinct is to still break everything outside. When he sets up the defense correctly, and cuts back correctly, his speed and burst are devastating. He showed good hands again today in drills. I’m anxious to see if he can translate this type of performance to Sundays.

Mike Bell runs with good power. He is the short yardage and power back that the Broncos need to convert the 3rd and shorts, and in goalline situations. He did fumble at the goalline today, which did not sit well with the coaching staff.

Cedric Cobbs had a very good day at camp. Well, good day for him at least. He seemed more focused, which is good for him if he has any desire to make this team.

Marty Johnson caught a nice pass from Cutler that went for about 15 yards. He had a decent day.

Rod Smith is Rod Smith. ‘nuff said.

Javon Walker had another standout day at camp. He caught several nice deep passes from Plummer, and it seems that the two of them are building a nice rapport. He seems to be really benefiting from playing against Champ Bailey. I love watching those two battle.

Brandon Marshall had some concentration problems today. Ian Gold made the hustle play of the day, running down Marshall from behind and stripping the ball away from him. It was the 2nd time that has happened to Brandon. He had this to say after the morning session, "I thought the play was over, and that was the second time it happened to me in camp but that won't happen to me any more." Mike Shanahan was asked about the hustle play after practice, “That’s why we practice that. We do it all the time. We stress turnovers. During a game, that’s usually when it occurs. We’ve had about three or four so far this year. Hopefully you practice it enough that during the game, people tuck it away. That’s the nature of this business. You have to practice at the same level that you’re going to play. Usually, guys will be downfield, and they’ll give up on the 10 or 15 yard line. That’s a good teaching aid that these players have been working on.” Brandon also seemed frustrated with Bradlee Van Pelt’s poorly thrown passes during drills.

Darius Watts is looking like the Watts we all know. Amazing quickness and hands made of stone. He can get open seemingly at will, yet will drop the most perfectly thrown pass.

David Terrell had a couple of nice catches today. His hands are more consistent than they were early in camp.

David Kircus needs to improve his footwork when running routes. During drills the WR’s were running “Z-outs” to the corner of the endzone. Watching Kircus was frustrating because he would take 3 or 4 steps to make a cut that Rod, Javon, and Brandon would make in one. His concentration was off today as well.

Brian Clark, the undrafted rookie from NC State will actually get a mention here today. His hands looked good today, and his route running is improving.

Tony Scheffler actually dropped a pass today. He also fumbled the ball after a catch, so it wasn’t a good day for Tony in the receiving department. He did have a very good day blocking and is really making himself into a very well rounded player.

Nate Jackson did not practice today.

[TotallyScrewed]

I'm hoping that Meadows busts Cooper out of there. Meadows, if he can return to form and Foster should be a pretty darn good right side. I still say Foster needs to work on foot placement and/or foot speed, if he's ever going to be able to protect against the outside speed rush.

[Arkansas Bronco]

What the hell does "He's no Kellen Clemens" mean?
Kaylore is your real name Cecil because other then a couple views you 2 have very simular oppinions.

[NYBronc]

Although Sal Palontonio said, “He’s no Kellen Clemens.”


What the hell does "He's no Kellen Clemens" mean?
Kaylore is your real name Cecil because other then a couple views you 2 have very simular oppinions.

Did Palontonio really say that? That has GOT to be the worst case of east coast bias ever. It's so ridiculous Cecil Lammey must be joking.

JETS SUCK DONUT!

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[Rascal]

I'm hoping that Meadows busts Cooper out of there. Meadows, if he can return to form and Foster should be a pretty darn good right side. I still say Foster needs to work on foot placement and/or foot speed, if he's ever going to be able to protect against the outside speed rush.

Meadows is a tackle not a guard.

[RicksDawg]

Meadows did play some guard in Indy. You're right, his natural position is tackle. Green Bay wanted him to play guard.

[MechanicalBull]

What the hell does "He's no Kellen Clemens" mean?


I'm trying to figure out this statement as well. Paolantonio was also the one in mini camp that said Walker was still injured and Cutler was having difficulties. You can't even seriously judge or make a prediction on Cutler or Clemens at this moment in time. Both guys aren't even a week into signing their first ever contract and training camp.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Well since I cant see what he talking about I am going take it at face value and that means if you name isnt Kellen Clemens then you arn't Kellen Clemens, simple as that. So you can also say well Tom Brady is no Kellen Clemens or Dan Marino was a great qb but he isnt Kellen Clemens.

[Man-Goblin]

Well since I cant see what he talking about I am going take it at face value and that means if you name isnt Kellen Clemens then you arn't Kellen Clemens, simple as that. So you can also say well Tom Brady is no Kellen Clemens or Dan Marino was a great qb but he isnt Kellen Clemens.

AB, you're no Kelllen Clemens, either. I'm sorry.

[MechanicalBull]

Well since I cant see what he talking about I am going take it at face value and that means if you name isnt Kellen Clemens then you arn't Kellen Clemens, simple as that. So you can also say well Tom Brady is no Kellen Clemens or Dan Marino was a great qb but he isnt Kellen Clemens.

John Elway isn't Kellen Clemens :rofl:

[Arkansas Bronco]

AB, you're no Kelllen Clemens, either. I'm sorry.
No but I do wish I got his paycheck.

[Man-Goblin]

No but I do wish I got his paycheck.

And Clemmons wishes he got Cutler's paycheck, and so on....

[MechanicalBull]

ESPN just took another pot shot on the Broncos. Don't have a link since it was on tv, but the sportscenter anchor said Walker thinks he doubts he will play in the first preseason game and at the end of the segment the anchor said "John Elway is still retired"

[Steve Sewell]

Ahh, found the link re: Sal Paolantonio:

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/samadams/archives/2006/07/division_foes_f.html

[Arkansas Bronco]

Clemens must be great, it is real hard to get beat by a broken down one year wonder.

[MechanicalBull]

Pasted the quote for all to see thanks Steve Sewell

Quote, unquote: "I didn't see any evidence whatsoever that (Jay) Cutler is challenging (Jake) Plummer at this point . . . He really struggled, I thought, even in warm-up drills with no defenders. He really struggled to put the ball where it needed to be. His release is not that decisive. I was not impressed overall . . . I covered the New York Jets' mini-camp about 2-3 weeks ago, and (rookie QB) Kellen Clements from Oregon looked so much better. " -- ESPN reporter Sal Paolantonio, talking about the Broncos' quarterbacks on 850 KOA's Dave and Lois Show.

[Florida_Bronco]

It's offical, Sal Paolantonio doesn't know what he's talking about.

[shakenbake]

Pasted the quote for all to see thanks Steve Sewell

Quote, unquote: "I didn't see any evidence whatsoever that (Jay) Cutler is challenging (Jake) Plummer at this point . . . He really struggled, I thought, even in warm-up drills with no defenders. He really struggled to put the ball where it needed to be. His release is not that decisive. I was not impressed overall . . . I covered the New York Jets' mini-camp about 2-3 weeks ago, and (rookie QB) Kellen Clements from Oregon looked so much better. " -- ESPN reporter Sal Paolantonio, talking about the Broncos' quarterbacks on 850 KOA's Dave and Lois Show.


That doesn't really vibe with everything we have been hearing from camp. I guess Sal is the only one with that opinion.

[Inkana7]

Tom Jackson is the only person on ESPN who isnt an East Coast whore.

[shakenbake]

ESPN just took another pot shot on the Broncos. Don't have a link since it was on tv, but the sportscenter anchor said Walker thinks he doubts he will play in the first preseason game and at the end of the segment the anchor said "John Elway is still retired"

He isn't going to play because its a game on turf and the place where he got injured last season. I heard him in an interview saying it would be a little sketchy for him to play there again right now. ESPN as usual is talking out of thier ass.

[MechanicalBull]

That doesn't really vibe with everything we have been hearing from camp. I guess Sal is the only one with that opinion.

we need khan to come in and give sal a big whack over the head :wiggle:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Clemens has looked so good that the Jets have already announced that Pennington is their starter. Guess KC isn't good enough yet to give the china doll a run for his money at QB.

[*WARHORSE*]

For one thing, the article was dated July 10................wonder what he would say if he were watching Jay today.

As for Kellen.................they said he really was struggling with the deep ball...........alas.............the groan heard round the world sounds from deep in the gut of the Green faithful as they go back to doing their dishes and washing their clothes.

..........theres always next years draft.


(Thats their superbowl):~ohyah!:

[Man-Goblin]

For one thing, the article was dated July 10................wonder what he would say if he were watching Jay today.

As for Kellen.................they said he really was struggling with the deep ball...........alas.............the groan heard round the world sounds from deep in the gut of the Green faithful as they go back to doing their dishes and washing their clothes.

..........theres always next years draft.


(Thats their superbowl):~ohyah!:

Alas! The Jets? with a guy who can't throw deep? No way. Can't be true.

[Kaylore]

Quote, unquote: "I didn't see any evidence whatsoever that (Jay) Cutler is challenging (Jake) Plummer at this point . . . He really struggled, I thought, even in warm-up drills with no defenders. He really struggled to put the ball where it needed to be. His release is not that decisive. I was not impressed overall . . . I covered the New York Jets' mini-camp about 2-3 weeks ago, and (rookie QB) Kellen Clements from Oregon looked so much better. "
That really pissed me off. You know it's like these east-coast turds could at least pretend they were interested enough in the team they are getting paid to report on to keep their reporting on topic. What a tool. Yeah "I'm talking about the Broncos but I don't care and am looking for excuses to discuss the Jets." What a loser.

[youcandoit1687]

That's a good queestion. It is raining now but it wasn't when we were there. In fact it was quite pleasant.

The reason that it was sloppy is because it was one week into camp and they've been running two-a-days. Players always look bad in the afternoon because they've been working out, running drills and have already had a practice that morning. You're tired, it's hard to focus and and you're not as strong. Ugly stuff usually happens in the evening (including injuries.) Those guys are new so they're going to have bad days.

yeah definitely, one week in is usually about when the players stop feeling tired and sore and eventually get used to it and take it as nothing. atleast, that has been about my experience, sometimes sooner, sometimes later depending on weather, previous conditioning, etc.

[broncocalijohn]

Tom Jackson is the only person on ESPN who isnt an East Coast whore.

But Tom and Mark are our whores.

[youcandoit1687]

But Tom and Mark are our whores.

we also have sharpe with CBS. i think im forgetting a fourth...

[broncocalijohn]

we also have sharpe with CBS. i think im forgetting a fourth...

God is the fourth.

[youcandoit1687]

God is the fourth.


mike shanahan is going into broadcasting?

jkjk, dont go religious on me anyone.