Footballguystalk is full of crap.

[Kaylore]

Mayn of you will recall a report last year that conflicted with mine, particularly on the subject of BVP. His report later turned out to be false.

So I was curious about a new this year about Tatum Bell that didn't sound anything like reality. I decided to check the source and found it. Meck, Conklin and Ryhmsayers will find this pretty hilarious. This is this guys' supposed Am report:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=254477&mode=linearplus

Just talked to Jay Lufkin (old college buddy): and here is a brief summary of our conversation:

QB: Jake Plummer looked sharp. Was delivering the ball accurately and crisply in the 7-on-7 drills and continued with his precision passing on 11-on-11 drills. Doesn't appear to be fazed by Jay Cutler looking over his shoulder. Jay Cutler got some work in but looked shaky as one would expect a rookie to look. Champ Bailey picked him off twice when Cutler failed to put enough mustard on the ball.

RB: Tatum Bell was the rave of Day 1. Bell looked noticeably bigger and was in great condition. Bell ran exclusively with the first team and looked even more explosive than ever. He consistently ripped huge gains through the middle and outran defnders to the corner before cutting upfield for what would have easily been 10-15 yard gains. While Bell was focused and modest, you could see an air of confidence and swagger to him...something apparently Mike Shanahan liked because several people overheard him go up to Tatum Bell and ask him if he's ready to run for 1600. Bell was seen joking around with Plummer and Rod Smith as the second team got their reps. Ron Dayne looked solid, but unspectacular. Dayne ran with the second team and performed ok, had a case of fumbilitis for a while, but pulled himself together to finish the practice well. Dayne's conditioning looked ok, but he was noticeably winded after his drills. The dog of the day was Cedric Cobbs. He couldn't finish his conditioning drills, and Bobby Turner ripped him a new one. When Cobbs got some reps in he ran the wrong play, fumbled, and dropped an easy swing pass which set Mike Shanahan on fire. At this point, Cobbs looks like he'll be lucky to be carried on the practice squad. Cobbs was also limping after practice.

WR: Rod Smith is...Rod Smith...Mr. reliable. Made some smooth catches and continues to be Plummer's go-to-man. Smith burned Champ Bailey for what appeared to have been about a 25-30 yard TD. Javon Walker was present but didnt get much work in. Walker participated in the conditioning drills but not in the football drills. The plan must be to work Walker in slowly over the summer. Watts still has hands of stone. Had several drops from Plummer and later Cutler. This could be the end of Watts in Denver. Lelie was not present.
Some clear problems with this.

1. Tatum Bell was not busting huge gains or walking around with a swagger. He was not exlclusively working with the first team.

2. Ron Dayne didn't fumble the ball once during the AM report. Yet this tools says he has afumbling problem.

3. Javon Walker practiced with the team all day and wasn't held out of anything. They only did football drills during practice which leads me to...

4. Conditioning drills. OK, what the crap is a conditioning drill? They only have football drills.

5. Rod Smith did not Burn Champ Bailey for a touchdown. No one did that day.

6. Speaking of Champ Bailey, he did not pick off Cutler twice. Isn't it strange that this guy reported him being picked off twice and no one from any source anywhere reported this. A zone blitz gave Veal the int. Champ Bailey? No.

7. Watts did have two drops but they weren't from Cutler.

I would like someone who is a member of footballguys talk to start linking our reports to their site. I'd also like it if someone would link this page to their site. Between the guy that posted that and his supposed "friend on the scene" someone is a complete liar.

[tnedator]

It's a shame, the bogus report got me pretty excited about how Bell might do in camp and pre-season.

[RhymesayersDU]

hahaha @ anybody burning Champ. Nobody could attempt to burn Champ, at least not on Friday.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I would like someone who is a member of footballguys talk to start linking our reports to their site. I'd also like it if someone would link this page to their site. Between the guy that posted that and his supposed "friend on the scene" someone is a complete liar.

Is Sal Paoaoaoloaoantonio the "friend on the scene"? It would certainly explain his mini camp report.

[SoCalBronco]

Yesterday, Khan showed me the tents where the media credential guys were sitting and it is at a bad angle and away from the action. It doesnt surprise me that they are getting stuff wrong.

[Kaylore]

Is Sal Paoaoaoloaoantonio the "friend on the scene"? It would certainly explain his mini camp report.

No, but I'm curious what Sal had to say. Apparently it's some college buddy named Jay Lufkin.

[Kaylore]

Yesterday, Khan showed me the tents where the media credential guys were sitting and it is at a bad angle and away from the action. It doesnt surprise me that they are getting stuff wrong.
They'll be there tomorrow. It'll make you pretty pissed off especially when they yell into the microphone telling callers they're wrong about players they aren't even watching.

[wabbit]

Yesterday, Khan showed me the tents where the media credential guys were sitting and it is at a bad angle and away from the action. It doesnt surprise me that they are getting stuff wrong.

Maybe, but, you know...we're there...on site, ya know...need time to sniff each others' as*hole...see what's new.

Truthfully, what most of these fellows do is submit a list of interview prospects & wait for them to show up for taped or on-air interviews...peering out occassionally to see what's going on.

For the media types...it's work, plain & simple.

[Atlas]

Mayn of you will recall a report last year that conflicted with mine, particularly on the subject of BVP. His report later turned out to be false.

So I was curious about a new this year about Tatum Bell that didn't sound anything like reality. I decided to check the source and found it. Meck, Conklin and Ryhmsayers will find this pretty hilarious. This is this guys' supposed Am report:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=254477&mode=linearplus


Some clear problems with this.

1. Tatum Bell was not busting huge gains or walking around with a swagger. He was not exlclusively working with the first team.

2. Ron Dayne didn't fumble the ball once during the AM report. Yet this tools says he has afumbling problem.

3. Javon Walker practiced with the team all day and wasn't held out of anything. They only did football drills during practice which leads me to...

4. Conditioning drills. OK, what the crap is a conditioning drill? They only have football drills.

5. Rod Smith did not Burn Champ Bailey for a touchdown. No one did that day.

6. Speaking of Champ Bailey, he did not pick off Cutler twice. Isn't it strange that this guy reported him being picked off twice and no one from any source anywhere reported this. A zone blitz gave Veal the int. Champ Bailey? No.

7. Watts did have two drops but they weren't from Cutler.

I would like someone who is a member of footballguys talk to start linking our reports to their site. I'd also like it if someone would link this page to their site. Between the guy that posted that and his supposed "friend on the scene" someone is a complete liar.

WOW Kahn.. who cares.

[Kaylore]

Maybe, but, you know...we're there...on site, ya know...need time to sniff each others' as*hole...see what's new.

Truthfully, what most of these fellows do is submit a list of interview prospects & wait for them to show up for taped or on-air interviews...peering out occassionally to see what's going on.

For the media types...it's work, plain & simple.
Not all media types are as dedicated as you, Wabbit. To be fair, I showed him the tents for the on-the-scene radio reports. There are some media guys on the sidelines taking pictures and watching the practice - Guys like Wabbit.

[Kaylore]

WOW Kahn.. who cares.
Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.

[wabbit]

The observations are very much appreciated Kaylore & So Cal...and all folks out there.

More often than not, the big events of the day for the media are the after-practice assessment from Mike, perhaps a coach or two (Coyer isn't exactly the huggable type...not real media friendly) & players.

Your itemized observations are very revealing, so thanks.

[watermock]

Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.

WTF? Your going to tell us what to believe?

[Broncobiv]

And to think...everyone at FBG's is ALWAYS patting themselves on the back for having the most in-depth and insightful NFL and Fantasy info from ANYWHERE on the Web. It's almost sick sometimes. It's like a huge circle-jerk with some of the guys on that site.

[Kaylore]

WTF? Your going to tell us what to believe?
Oh, great. Here we go...

[Bronco Billy]

Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.

Khan, I appreciate you. This are the best TC reports I've seen in my years of following football. I went to the Bears' TC and it was the same thing. The media treat it as a social gathering to hook up with other colleagues and BS. To most of them, what will sell and make people buy papers or watch their program is more important than giving an accurate description.

[Ballhawk]

Boo crappy media guys. Hooray beer!!

[Bronco Billy]

And to think...everyone at FBG's is ALWAYS patting themselves on the back for having the most in-depth and insightful NFL and Fantasy info from ANYWHERE on the Web. It's almost sick sometimes. It's like a huge circle-jerk with some of the guys on that site.


LMAO! Hilarious!

[24champ]

The observations are very much appreciated Kaylore & So Cal...and all folks out there.

More often than not, the big events of the day for the media are the after-practice assessment from Mike, perhaps a coach or two (Coyer isn't exactly the huggable type...not real media friendly) & players.

Your itemized observations are very revealing, so thanks.
hey wabbit just curious, do YOU go to the broncos training camp?

Also I will probably be at the Cowgirls AM training camp tommorow since they are 15 minutes away...gonna be a zoo from what I hear.

[Taco John]

WOW Kahn.. who cares.


I know I do. Who wants to get bogus info?

[wabbit]

hey wabbit just curious, do YOU go to the broncos training camp?

Also I will probably be at the Cowgirls AM training camp tommorow since they are 15 minutes away...gonna be a zoo from what I hear.

It's a tad complicated, but yes...every year, at least a half dozen times. Perhaps a little less this year.

Kicking, screaming, whining about the heat, interviews that don't happen...Fred...but yes, when sponsored, I go.

[JCMElway]

WTF? Your going to tell us what to believe?

Damn you're an idiot sometimes. Kaylore, SoCal, and Med have bben providing us with great info for the past two seasons and you're gonna bust on him?

Go drink another beer.

[Taco John]

WTF? Your going to tell us what to believe?


*groan* ::)

Why are you going to bust his balls over your own misunderstanding?

[watermock]

No, his assertions as fact. I only said they were opinions. He's the one representing them as fact.

Why do I defend a dite that I have very rarely go to? Because your acting like a child. You honesty think that anyone cares that your ego is bruised by another perspective?

Why even repond to it. I didn't bring it up, YOU DID. Then when I say that itls a free country you bring up some sort of self validation. If your were so sure about your reports, it would be water on a duck.

[Kaylore]

Have another, Mock. You know if someone says the ball was intercepted and it wasn't, saying it wasn't is a FACT. It's not like you can have a different opinion on reality - wait, I forgot who I'm talking to.

[Florida_Bronco]

WTF? Your going to tell us what to believe?

I'm sure it's perfectly fine with him that you continue to exercise your right to be a complete and total moron.

[watermock]

Have another, Mock. You know if someone says the ball was interepted and it wasn't, saying it wasn't is a FACT. It's not like you can have a different opinion on reality - wait, I forgot who I'm talking to.

That isn't even what I was talking about. Never mind. Have a nice day. Hilarious!

[Florida_Bronco]

No, his assertions as fact. I only said they were opinions. He's the one representing them as fact.

Mock, you are the KING of doing this. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[watermock]

Originally Posted by Kaylore
0quot]I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe?


Those are your words, not mine.

[Taco John]

No, his assertions as fact. I only said they were opinions. He's the one representing them as fact.

Why do I defend a dite that I have very rarely go to? Because your acting like a child. You honesty think that anyone cares that your ego is bruised by another perspective?

Why even repond to it. I didn't bring it up, YOU DID. Then when I say that itls a free country you bring up some sort of self validation. If your were so sure about your reports, it would be water on a duck.



You don't have any idea what you're talking about. You're being an idiot. Estabilishing whether or not a guy dropped a football has nothing to do with opinion. It has to do with facts. No one can say, "It's my opinion that Ron Dayne fumbled the football." He either did, or he didn't.

[Florida_Bronco]

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. You're being an idiot. Estabilishing whether or not a guy dropped a football has nothing to do with opinion. It has to do with facts. No one can say, "It's my opinion that Ron Dayne fumbled the football." He either did, or he didn't.

Not only that, but it's just flat out WRONG of him to attack Kaylore for "representing opinion as fact" when I've jumped his ass NUMEROUS times for the same exact thing.

[watermock]

You just don't get it. HKaylore's opinion is not the golden rule. he got his panties out of shape because someone dissagreed with him. Roll. back

[watermock]

Have another, Mock. You know if someone says the ball was intercepted and it wasn't, saying it wasn't is a FACT. It's not like you can have a different opinion on reality - wait, I forgot who I'm talking to.

That isn't the assertion you made. YOur just making another.

[Kaylore]

You just don't get it. HKaylore's opinion is not the golden rule. he got his panties out of shape because someone dissagreed with him. Roll. back
Go ahead and tell me what part of my "represented facts" are actually opinon. Please tell me, you drunken piece of crap.

[Florida_Bronco]

You just don't get it. HKaylore's opinion is not the golden rule. he got his panties out of shape because someone dissagreed with him. Roll. back

You are really on a roll tonight Mock :rofl:

Do you have any idea how many times you've gone off on rants because someone has disagreed with you? Does the infamous "outer space" argument ring a bell?

Seriously Mock, myself and many others are at the end of our ropes with you. In the past 2 months you've insulted my dead father, created hundreds of pointless threads, insulted other members and now you are attacking Kaylore when he's out there working for all of US. I'm sure Kaylore has put quite a bit of his own money to do this, and you repay him by attacking him on a technicality? Grow the **** up Mock.

Mock, if you can't treat people with respect, you just need to leave the forum.

[Taco John]

You just don't get it. HKaylore's opinion is not the golden rule. he got his panties out of shape because someone dissagreed with him. Roll. back


No. You don't get it. You are being an idiot. Kaylore isn't saying his opinion is the golden rule. He's saying that his facts are straight. Kaylore isn't saying anything about his opinion. He's asserting that his facts are accurate.

He didn't get upset because someone disagreed with him. He got upset because someone got the FACTS wrong. The only one with their panties in a bunch is you, mostly because your reading comprehension is lacking and you are misunderstanding what is being said here... And mine are in a bunch because I'm frustrated that this even has to be explained.

This isn't about opinions. It's about getting the facts straight.

[Prodigal19]

You just don't get it. HKaylore's opinion is not the golden rule. he got his panties out of shape because someone dissagreed with him. Roll. back
Its one thing if there is a difference of opinion, but that is not the case here. This other guy is obviously full of **** and kaylore is letting us know.

[Atlas]

Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.

Well, I'm sure this guy is a Bronco fan and I'm sure he is out there doing the best he can. People see different things and alot of what you guys post are subjective and can be interperated differently.

[Taco John]

Well, I'm sure this guy is a Bronco fan and I'm sure he is out there doing the best he can. People see different things and alot of what you guys post are subjective and can be interperated differently.



I doubt the guy is a Bronco fan at all... That's not how it typically works. In fact, it's more likely he's a fan of an east coast team.

And none of what Kaylore is saying has anything to do with subjective stuff. If a guy gets an interception, that's not subjective. He either got the interception or he didn't.

[SoCalBronco]

Mock, why are you doing this? Kaylore worked very hard the last few days to make sure things were reported accurately. Its not a matter of opinions, an interception is not something subjective. No one is saying "if I said or you said or X said this guy played "good" that isnt up for debate", its not a matter of characterization, its a matter of things that are objectively verifiable one way or another. Khan is just trying to make sure things are accurate for all the fans. There is no reason to attack him.

[watermock]

I never said he didn't. I apolgize.

[RhymesayersDU]

Wow, this thread took a turn for the best for some late night entertainment.

In conclusion, Kaylore rules.

[Atlas]

I doubt the guy is a Bronco fan at all... That's not how it typically works. In fact, it's more likely he's a fan of an east coast team.

And none of what Kaylore is saying has anything to do with subjective stuff. If a guy gets an interception, that's not subjective. He either got the interception or he didn't.

Well I went to his website or blog or whatever and he is a Bronco fan. Seems like everything has to turn into a pissing match around here. I mean the guy comes in and posts some pretty good stuff and now we run him into the ground because some of his reports are different than other peoples.

[Kaylore]

Well I went to his website or blog or whatever and he is a Bronco fan. Seems like everything has to turn into a pissing match around here. I mean the guy comes in and posts some pretty good stuff and now we run him into the ground because some of his reports are different than other peoples.
Atlas, he's a liar.

[DomCasual]

I'm looking for the thread where we talk about Slap's deceased dog. Can anyone direct me there?

[Florida_Bronco]

Atlas, he's a liar.

I'm glad we have you guys out there to give us a REAL report on what is going on.

[epicSocialism4tw]

No, but I'm curious what Sal had to say. Apparently it's some college buddy named Jay Lufkin.

After minicamps, Sal said that Javon Walker looked like he was still struggling with the injury, and was behind rehab schedule. In the video I saw (the same 15 minute or so video linked to the orangemane), he looked like a man among boys compared to the other WR's. He looked fluid and sharp for the most part. He looked to be a little ahead of the schedule that Shanny had been quoted on in the past, and that was proven by his participation in certain drills that he had previously said Walker probably wouldnt see action in.

Then Sal inferred that Jay Cutler was having a disappointing minicamp, when you really couldnt make a decent assessment based on the drills that they were running in the video. I dont remember specifics on this one, but he took Shanny's firm statement that Jake was entrenched as the starter this season and spun it to sound like Cut was terrible. It was typical ESPiN use-the-small-market-team-to-generate-interest-for-the-large-market-team stuff. It seemed as though he didnt attend minicamp at all and attended the Shanahan press conference with a preordained agenda sent down from on high.

[watermock]

Didn't you know? Todd Pennington can throw it 80 yards on his back foot.

[RhymesayersDU]

I'm looking for the thread where we talk about Slap's deceased dog. Can anyone direct me there?
It's locked, but search for "forum losers" or something along those lines.

[Kaylore]

After minicamps, Sal said that Javon Walker looked like he was still struggling with the injury, and was behind rehab schedule. In the video I saw (the same 15 minute or so video linked to the orangemane), he looked like a man among boys compared to the other WR's. He looked fluid and sharp for the most part. He looked to be a little ahead of the schedule that Shanny had been quoted on in the past, and that was proven by his participation in certain drills that he had previously said Walker probably wouldnt see action in.

Then Sal inferred that Jay Cutler was having a disappointing minicamp, when you really couldnt make a decent assessment based on the drills that they were running in the video. I dont remember specifics on this one, but he took Shanny's firm statement that Jake was entrenched as the starter this season and spun it to sound like Cut was terrible. It was typical ESPiN use-the-small-market-team-to-generate-interest-for-the-large-market-team stuff. It seemed as though he didnt attend minicamp at all and attended the Shanahan press conference with a preordained agenda sent down from on high.

Oh his Mini camp report. Yeah, I saw that. He briefly said Cutler sucked and the he started jacking off Kellen Clemens and talked about the Jets. I was like "nice Broncos report you east-coast twit."

[baja]

Have another, Mock. You know if someone says the ball was intercepted and it wasn't, saying it wasn't is a FACT. It's not like you can have a different opinion on reality - wait, I forgot who I'm talking to.

LOL Mock is miles into the rabbit hole...

[watermock]

Tell me again why an east coast dimwit upsets you...thin I do because I think you are acting like woman on her period Kahlore.

Seems like alotof things upset you. Mo Clarett didn't make his personal payment to you?

[Blueflame]

Please stop being rude to Kaylore, Mock.

[watermock]

Iwasn't rude. I said he was making assumptions.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Oh his Mini camp report. Yeah, I saw that. He briefly said Cutler sucked and the he started jacking off Kellen Clemens and talked about the Jets. I was like "nice Broncos report you east-coast twit."

Yeah...Denver was nothing but an airport and a few hours to him. He surely didnt care about watching their camp.

You know, with the advent of the internet, there has to be a better way to go about sports coverage than the way that is currently the MO of the national media and the beat writers to some extent.

You guys that attend camp are providing us fellow fans with some real meat concerning issues that all Bronco fans are familiar with and discuss regularly. The national media rarely hits the target on those types of issues with their coverage. It's always some kind of shallow two-bit attempt to create controversy so that people will watch their channel for the soap opera aspect, or an attempt to glorify certain players in large media outlet markets. Both are simple and unfortunately effective methods of keeping more fans tuning into their channel. Advertising dollars are the name of the game.

I hope that more fans will turn away from ESPiN and other national media outlets so that they will have to change or go away. I havent watched ESPiN with any normality since my teenage years in the late 80's/early 90's.

You guys keep up the good work! :) You are really providing a great community service for Taco John and the visitors of the orangemane. The beat writers and the national schmo's should be asking you questions. Heck, why dont you guys compile a list of things that general bronco fans want to read articles about and hand them over. That might be an even greater act of benevolence!

[baja]

Tell me again why an east coast dimwit upsets you...thin I do because I think you are acting like woman on her period Kahlore.

Seems like alotof things upset you. Mo Clarett didn't make his personal payment to you?

Mock you are the only guy I know that can slur his typing.

[Blueflame]

Iwasn't rude. I said he was making assumptions.

You also said other stuff that was rude, Mock.

Kaylore is doing all of us Broncos fans a favor by letting us know that there are articles out there on the internets that make stuff up like interceptions that did not occur in that day's practice. If a website is posting stuff like that, I'd rather know not to trust their articles to be gospel truth.

[watermock]

I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe

All I ever say was that he actls like his word was golden and anoune with a contrary opinion was an idiot. Never mind. Let it go. The whole comment was he's not know all tell all and anyone that challenges his iopinion is a dumbass. I'm done with this thread.

[Taco John]

Mock, it's very frustrating when you drink and post.

[watermock]

He briefly said Cutler sucked and the he started jacking off Kellen Clemens and talked about the Jets. I was like "nice Broncos report you east-coast twit."

This is the resident "expert" on decorum. I'm so very sorry if I hurt Kaylors feelings.

[Taco John]

Well I went to his website or blog or whatever and he is a Bronco fan. Seems like everything has to turn into a pissing match around here. I mean the guy comes in and posts some pretty good stuff and now we run him into the ground because some of his reports are different than other peoples.



It's called testosterone.

[watermock]

Noone ever got the fact that he made an asserion. That's all I said.

[Taco John]

This is the resident "expert" on decorum. I'm so very sorry if I hurt Kaylors feelings.



You didn't hurt his feelings. You pretty much just made yourself look like an idiot. Kaylore wasn't talking about differing opinions. He was talking about someone getting the basic facts wrong. It's kind of an important thing, because when someone gets the facts wrong, it doesn't matter what their opinion is.

You're obviously not understanding why you are the one who is wrong here. But regardless... You are.

[Pezman]

Ironic that we had 850 users (a record) visit the site in the past 24 hours, and yet, the same old ugliness seems to foam to the top while wading through the threads... ugh

[Taco John]

Noone ever got the fact that he made an asserion. That's all I said.


You're trying to tell me that there is an aspect of this that we're all missing that you caught? You're kidding me, right? What assertion are you talking about? I'll make an assertion: you can't type (or reason) for hell right now because you're drunk.

[Blueflame]

Noone ever got the fact that he made an asserion. That's all I said.

Let's try this one more time, Mock. When an internet article gives an account of the day's events that differs as much as the cited article does... from what our "resident eyewitnesses" saw happen that day, I'd kinda like to know that other article was written by someone who didn't bother to...y'know... watch the practices.

[watermock]

That doesn't make Kaylore the resident expert. That''s all I said.

[Taco John]

That doesn't make Kaylore the resident expert. That''s all I said.



NO ONE SAID HE WAS!

I swear to God, Mock...

[GreatBronco16]

Seriously, why do you still let him post here? Every single day, I have to sift through Mocks drunken BS just to find out what's going on in camp. Can't you just rid us of that fool? Please, for the love of God.


BTW, Kaylore, I really appreciate everything you and all the other guys are doing this summer with camp. Keep up the good work guys.

[Blueflame]

That doesn't make Kaylore the resident expert. That''s all I said.

He's far more of an expert on it than I am... because he was there, closely watched the plays, and therefore knows whether there were any interceptions or not.

[baja]

Everyone complains about guys like Mock and Bob but they are crucial to a popular site, I only wish Becky4j would return.

[Blueflame]

She's probably on a Bears forum as we type, Baja....

[GreatBronco16]

Everyone complains about guys like Mock and Bob but they are crucial to a popular site, I only wish Becky4j would return.


Bob, maybe. Mock, nope.

[Pezman]

Everyone complains about guys like Mock and Bob but they are crucial to a popular site, I only wish Becky4j would return.

Isnt she busy sniffing Griese's jock in Chicago by now? Of course, its not like a certain member of our community from South of the border would ever "recreate" Becky again now would they? :rofl:

[Taco John]

That doesn't make Kaylore the resident expert. That''s all I said.



You know what... Screw that. When it comes to training camp, Kaylore IS the resident expert here. Here's a guy who has dedicated himself over the last couple of seasons to getting to training camp every single day to watch and report on what's happening so that drunk asses like yourself can bellyache about whatever in the hell your bellyaching about.

Go sleep it off Mock. You've made a complete fool of yourself tonight.

[baja]

She's probably on a Bears forum as we type, Baja....

ha! She likely splits time with the ravens site with Mike Anderon being there now. I just hope she is not dead what with the three pack a day habit she had.

[Blueflame]

Isnt she busy sniffing Griese's jock in Chicago by now? Of course, its not like a certain member of our community from South of the border would ever "recreate" Becky again now would they? :rofl:

Nobody around here would ever do anything so diabolical... :P

[Blueflame]

ha! She likely splits time with the ravens site with Mike Anderon being there now. I just hope she is not dead what with the three pack a day habit she had.

Oh, yeah... I'd forgotten that she thought MA was better than TD.

Seriously, I do hope she's doing well... iirc, she was getting up in years.

[Taco John]

IN HIS OPINION. It's a never mind. The whole point is his opinion trumps others.


Mock... Were you at training camp today? No?

How about shutting up then?

We're not talking about opinions here. We're talking about getting the facts straight.

[baja]

Isnt she busy sniffing Griese's jock in Chicago by now? Of course, its not like a certain member of our community from South of the border would ever "recreate" Becky again now would they? :rofl:

Oh Just STFU Pez, do I have to come over there to Calli and school your ass. your an idiot.

Or

Honestly some of you people have no manners. I come here and treat all of you with the upmost respect and what do I get, <b> vulgarity and filth </b> in return. I am a senior lady and I demand respect.

[Taco John]

Mock, do you understand that this other guy is saying that Ron Dayne had a fumble that Kaylore is saying actually didn't happen? This isn't about having a different opinion. It's about getting the facts straight. I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you.

[watermock]

Now opinions are facts?

I didn't bring up facts once.

[watermock]

I never said he didn't at all. I just said he made some assertions as fact. Nothing more. Go look at the post. Look...lets let it drop, Footballguys is full of crap. I'm not playing anyomre. It was just a matter of semantics so it's nothing really. It's not important.

[Blueflame]

IN HIS OPINION. It's a never mind. The whole point is his opinion trumps others.

He knows what he saw, Mock.

[Taco John]

I didn't bring up facts once.


That's for damn sure. In fact, you took a discussion about facts and hijacked it into a pissing match about opinions. Nobody was talking about opinions but your drunken ass. The rest of us were trying to have a discussion about facts. You are the only one here who cared about opinion. Everybody else understood that opinions would vary from observer to observer. Everybody except you. You tried to make it out like Kaylore was saying that his opinion is the only one that counts. He wasn't. He was saying that the other guy got the facts wrong.

You're right. You didn't bring up facts once. If you did, then you'd be on topic.

[baja]

What's ypur take on training camp Mock?

[watermock]

What's ypur take on training camp Mock?

That's just baiting.

[Taco John]

If anyone needs me, I'll be in my bathtub with a toaster.

[Pezman]

Oh Just STFU Pez, do I have to come over there to Calli and school your ass. your an idiot.

Or

Honestly some of you people have no manners. I come here and treat all of you with the upmost respect and what do I get, <b> vulgarity and filth </b> in return. I am a senior lady and I demand respect.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3086&dateline=1104299070
:rofl:

[baja]

That's just baiting.

I was trying to bail you out.

[baja]

Well thanks for the extra dead weight...

Implying you are already dead weight?

[baja]

Well thanks for the extra dead weight...

If you have ever wondered what dead brain cells smell like run a Q tip into your ear pull it out and smell it.

[baja]

If anyone needs me, I'll be in my bathtub with a toaster.

LOL That's funny!

[Atlas]

If you have ever wondered what dead brain cells smell like run a Q tip into your ear pull it out and smell it.

eeewwwww.. that is the same smell as my belly button

[watermock]

Implying you are already dead weight?

There is no room in the life boat...OK...we can throw Bob overboard the lifeboat. Climb in Garcia.

I pointed Bob to the next island but the seas are filled with sharks and the natives are restless.

[baja]

There is no room in the life boat...OK...we can throw Bob overboard the lifeboat. Climb in Garcia.

I pointed Bob to the next island but the seas are<b> filled with sharks </b>and the natives are restless.

In that case leave garcia in the water the sharks that have read his takes in the WRP forum will not eat him due to professional courtesy

[baja]

eeewwwww.. that is the same smell as my belly button

Are you saying Mock has been resting his head on your tummy?

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by Kaylore
Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe."

WTF? Your going to tell us what to believe?

Kaylore, if it isnt on www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com) then it isnt fact. He needs to see it there and then come over and start a new thread with another youtube fun for all. Anyways, why would Mock care about Broncos camp when he is watching news on his beloved Vikings.

[eddie mac]

Wouldn't it be a lot easier for TJ if he had some sort tool to delete all of Mock's posts which must take up at least 5-10% of this board's space.

Hence it would save TJ deleting all the old threads that would be a lot better reading than Mock's cat litter.

[Garcia Bronco]

I have always thought the media scamps were liars and frauds....and guess what....I was right...LMAO

[elsid13]

Khan, relax nothing to get to excited about. Your reports are the best on the web when comes to Denver. The best way to show up the guys from the other websites, is to continue to post good accurate information. People will figure out who full of BS soon enough.

Mock - serious Mad Dog 20/20 really isn't your friend.

[Florida_Bronco]

I never said he didn't at all. I just said he made some assertions as fact. Nothing more. Go look at the post. Look...lets let it drop, Footballguys is full of crap. I'm not playing anyomre. It was just a matter of semantics so it's nothing really. It's not important.
You are a grade A f**ktard Mock, you know that?

You are the LAST person here who has a right to complain about Kaylore presenting opinion as fact (which he didn't do) because you do it every damn day!

Again Mock, if you can't treat people with respect then you need to leave the forums.

[BroncoBuff]

Now opinions are facts?

I didn't bring up facts once.
Please mock, just let the guys who are actually there give the reports.

If you want to give your 'facts' 'opinions' whatever - start your own thread so we can all ignore it together

[Florida_Bronco]

Please mock, just let the guys who are actually there give the reports.

If you want to give your 'facts' 'opinions' whatever - start your own thread so we can all ignore it together

The funny thing is, I think he believes that he actually knows what he is talking about! Hilarious!

[Rock Chalk]

Mock, look. Im only going to say this once.

Kaylore's reports (and SoCal, and Mediator) are the ONLY good thing left about this piece of **** message board. Dont ****ing ruin it or I will come to Iowa, shove my 12 gaugage right up your cornhole and pull the ****ing trigger.

Sit the **** down, shut the **** up before I get nasty.

[Mile High Shack]

I'm not going to read this whole thread

I just want to give props to our guys in the field, I trust what they say more so than these websites

[Florida_Bronco]

Kaylore's reports (and SoCal, and Mediator) are the ONLY good thing left about this piece of **** message board.

That couldn't be further from the truth. :notthissh

[fontaine]

On a related note, I'm really glad that Mock got his beatdown early on in training camps/preseason this year because at least now he'll shut up for a little while and not clutter up excellent football threads with his usual drunken rantings.

At least until the Vikings lose their first preseason game.

Kaylore, Socal, Med: Excellent work you guys. Can't thank you enough.

[Rock Chalk]

That couldn't be further from the truth. :notthissh
Um, maybe you enjoy the retarded threads that clutter up the board. Maybe you enjoy the incessant trolling by Bob and his cohorts. Maybe you enjoy the innane ramblings of a moronic administrator. Maybe you enjoy the endless mock drubbings and rantings. If so, of course you will think that there is a lot to offer here.

[DenverBrit]

My brain hurts. ;D

Seriously, Kaylore, your reports are a breathe of fresh air compared to some of the sloppy writing coming from the so called pros this week. Burger Bills' view of TC so far appear to have been written between food bites and bathroom visits.

Have a great week at Dove Valley and keep it coming. :welcome:

[Steve Sewell]

Yeah...Denver was nothing but an airport and a few hours to him. He surely didnt care about watching their camp.

You know, with the advent of the internet, there has to be a better way to go about sports coverage than the way that is currently the MO of the national media and the beat writers to some extent.

You guys that attend camp are providing us fellow fans with some real meat concerning issues that all Bronco fans are familiar with and discuss regularly. The national media rarely hits the target on those types of issues with their coverage. It's always some kind of shallow two-bit attempt to create controversy so that people will watch their channel for the soap opera aspect, or an attempt to glorify certain players in large media outlet markets. Both are simple and unfortunately effective methods of keeping more fans tuning into their channel. Advertising dollars are the name of the game.

I hope that more fans will turn away from ESPiN and other national media outlets so that they will have to change or go away. I havent watched ESPiN with any normality since my teenage years in the late 80's/early 90's.

You guys keep up the good work! :) You are really providing a great community service for Taco John and the visitors of the orangemane. The beat writers and the national schmo's should be asking you questions. Heck, why dont you guys compile a list of things that general bronco fans want to read articles about and hand them over. That might be an even greater act of benevolence!

Agreed. I avoid eSPIN's "Sports" Center at all costs! I will watch NFL Countdown and Primetime and any NFL or College Football games, though.

[Steve Sewell]

Mock, it's very frustrating when you drink and post.

Is there any redeeming value that Mock brings to this board? IMO, he's wasted 55,000+ posts, countless hours of people's time arguing with him, server space...you catch my drift.

Would anyone miss this crap if he were banned permanently?

[Florida_Bronco]

Um, maybe you enjoy the retarded threads that clutter up the board. Maybe you enjoy the incessant trolling by Bob and his cohorts. Maybe you enjoy the innane ramblings of a moronic administrator. Maybe you enjoy the endless mock drubbings and rantings. If so, of course you will think that there is a lot to offer here.

You can't look past that to the joy of being able to talk Broncos football with people who you can relate to? You can't see the humor in Bob's tripe? Do they get you that worked up Alec?

If you don't like the place, take your ass on down the road to another forum, Alec.

[Steve Sewell]

That doesn't make Kaylore the resident expert. That''s all I said.

Man you are a freakin' idiot. It doesn't take an expert to watch the practice and know that Cutler didn't throw two picks to Champ Bailey. It doesn't take an expert to watch practice and know that Dayne didn't fumble twice.

It's not open to interpretation, you fool. Either it did, or it didn't happen. My 4 year old son could understand the difference here. Keep digging that hole, Mock.

[Florida_Bronco]

Is there any redeeming value that Mock brings to this board? IMO, he's wasted 55,000+ posts, countless hours of people's time arguing with him, server space...you catch my drift.

Would anyone miss this crap if he were banned permanently?

I'd love to see him get a permanet ban. He's not just useless, but he insults the members in every other post it seems like. He STILL hasn't offered an apology for his remarks about my dead father.

[Steve Sewell]

Um, maybe you enjoy the retarded threads that clutter up the board. Maybe you enjoy the incessant trolling by Bob and his cohorts. Maybe you enjoy the innane ramblings of a moronic administrator. Maybe you enjoy the endless mock drubbings and rantings. If so, of course you will think that there is a lot to offer here.

98% of the people that belong to this forum are good, die-hard, Bronco fans that actually know what the hell they are talking about. I love this forum. Lot's of humor, lot's of good info and opinions, and idiot trolls like Boob, ColtSteel(RIP), Mock, and a few others to help me feel better about myself.

Alec, I think you are suffering from the offseason blues. You are in your peak of football withdrawal right now. It will get better in a few weeks when we all have more to talk about without incessant infighting and troll bashing.

[Steve Sewell]

I'd love to see him get a permanet ban. He's not just useless, but he insults the members in every other post it seems like. He STILL hasn't offered an apology for his remarks about my dead father.

Should someone start a "Should Mock be Banned?" poll? It would be fair and democratic, and maybe Mock would get the drift that his sh!t here is getting tired...

[Florida_Bronco]

Should someone start a "Should Mock be Banned?" poll? It would be fair and democratic, and maybe Mock would get the drift that his sh!t here is getting tired...

I've thought about it more than once, believe me.

[Orange_Beard]

Um, maybe you enjoy the retarded threads that clutter up the board. Maybe you enjoy the incessant trolling by Bob and his cohorts. Maybe you enjoy the innane ramblings of a moronic administrator. Maybe you enjoy the endless mock drubbings and rantings. If so, of course you will think that there is a lot to offer here.

Dude, you are wound way to tight. Take a deep breath.

Why do you let Clowns (including me) piss you off?

[watermock]

Noone gets the argument.

I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.


Can't we make up our own minds what to believe? I didn't object to anything in his reports, they are great. It's a straight forward argument. I allready apologized for whatever my capital offense is. I just don't think a differing opinion makes it "harder for people to know what to believe." If I'm told the moon is made of cheese and someone else says it a big rock, I'm not entitiled to take that point of view? Even if I do think the moon is made of cheese, I'm entitled to see other opinions. Everyone is supposed to line up like ducks in a row for his self validation? Fine. I didn't dissagree about a single point in his reports. I said that they were opinions. Good ones at that. Asserting that if someone has a "conflicting view" is going to confuse me is an assertion and implicitly arrogant. One poster said Tatum Bell rocked...Khan said he sucked. I'm just supposed to accept that his assesment is the right one? Go ahead and make your ban mock poll.

I never argued with his reports whatsoever...I just said that a "conflicting report" would confuse the lemmings annoying. This has nothing to do with his reporting...it's about asserting that anyone dissagreeing is going to "harder for people to know what to believe".

[Taco John]

Sometimes you post some really good stuff. Other times, you post some incredibly ignorant and stupid stuff that shows you barely understand what is going on in the world around you.

This is one of those other times.

This is a comprehension issue Mock. You just simply don't understand what is going on.

[fontaine]

Noone gets the argument.



Can't we make up our own minds what to believe? I didn't object to anything in his reports, they are great. It's a straighforward argument. I allready apologized for whatever my capital offense is. I just don't think a differing opinion makes it "harder for people to know what to believe." If I'm told the moon is made of cheese and someone else says it a big rock, I'm not entitiled to take that point of view? Even if I do think the moon is made of cheese, I'm entitled to see other opinions. Everyone is supposed to line up like ducks in a row for his self validation? Fine. I didn't dissagree about a single point in his reports. I said that they were opinions. Good ones at that. Asserting that if someone has a "conflicting view" is going to confuse me is an assertion and implicitly arrogant. One poster said Tatum Bell rocked...Khan said he sucked. I'm just supposed to accept that his assesment is the right one? Go ahead and make your ban mock poll.

ok

[Taco John]

THe best part is that he thinks that no one else gets his argument. Which is wrong. I understand his argument just fine. It's just sad that he thinks it's a valid argument. He's created and stuffed this straw man, and then he's trying to beat it down with all his might, while the rest of us are watching him make this scene with our jaws dropped.

The argument you're making isn't even valid Mock. It just shows how little of what is being said you actually understand.

[Steve Sewell]

Noone gets the argument.



Can't we make up our own minds what to believe? I didn't object to anything in his reports, they are great. It's a straighforward argument. I allready apologized for whatever my capital offense is. I just don't think a differing opinion makes it "harder for people to know what to believe." If I'm told the moon is made of cheese and someone else says it a big rock, I'm not entitiled to take that point of view? Even if I do think the moon is made of cheese, I'm entitled to see other opinions. Everyone is supposed to line up like ducks in a row for his self validation? Fine. I didn't dissagree about a single point in his reports. I said that they were opinions. Good ones at that. Asserting that if someone has a "conflicting view" is going to confuse me is an assertion and implicitly arrogant. One poster said Tatum Bell rocked...Khan said he sucked. I'm just supposed to accept that his assesment is the right one? Go ahead and make your ban mock poll.
No, mock, everyone gets the argument except for you. You continually have an issue with the difference between opinion and fact. You've also been a complete ****tard in the process to a guy (Kaylore) that takes time out of his day to report what's going on at camp.

The report that was coflicting with Kaylore's report was littered with inaccuracies, and Kaylore felt it was necessary to identify them so that people who didn't attend camp (you, me, and practically everyone else on this board) know the facts. I for one appreciate the fact that Kaylore did this, as I'm sure 99% of the other posters on this board did. And I didn't feel like my intelligence was insulted because otherwise I'd be completely unaware of what's going on there (because I wasn't there).

[Florida_Bronco]

Basically what's happening is Mock is arguing about opinions when Kaylore is just getting the facts straight. This can also be interpreted as Mock being a total f**k tard.

[watermock]

I know exactly what is going on. Khan told us that any conflicting report will just make it harder for know what to believe. Those are his words not mine. I will make up my own mind, thank you very much. I didn't like the assertion that his "analysis" had to be taken as fact. I never dissagreed with anything.

What if I said that my comments shouldn't be contradicted because "it makes it harder for people to know what to believe?"

Should we of said Slappy is right, we should of gotten rid of Wilson and installed Terry Pierce? Your all missing the point here. I objected to the assertion that anything that didn't fall into Khan's view was going to literally "confuse" us.

[Taco John]

I know exactly what is going on. Khan told us that any conflicting report will just make it harder for know what to believe.

He didn't say that. Do you really believe that's what he said, or are you purposefully being an idiot just trying to make waves? You can't seriously be this stupid.


Your all missing the point here. I objected to the assertion that anything that didn't fall into Khan's view was going to literally "confuse" us.

We're not missing the point at all. You're just being a moron. Khan isn't talking about opinions. He's talking about facts.

Now just shut up already. We already get it: you're lost, your pride is damaged, and you desperately want to save face. The only way to do that at this point is to either apologize, or shut up. Please do either, but I beg you... Don't go on with your worthless ranting about this. All you're doing is showing that you don't understand what Kaylore's point with this thread was.

[fontaine]

I know exactly what is going on. Khan told us that any conflicting report will just make it harder for know what to believe. Those are his words not mine. I will make up my own mind, thank you very much. I didn't like the assertion that his "analysis" had to be taken as fact. I never dissagreed with anything.

He called out the other report with specific faults in their reporting about facts, NOT ANALYSIS.

We (yes even you) do it all the time with profootballtalk, burger bill etc.

[BroncoInferno]

I know exactly what is going on. Khan told us that any conflicting report will just make it harder for know what to believe. Those are his words not mine. I will make up my own mind, thank you very much. I didn't like the assertion that his "analysis" had to be taken as fact. I never dissagreed with anything.

What if I said that my comments shouldn't be contradicted because "it makes it harder for people to know what to believe?"

Should we of said Slappy is right, we should of gotten rid of Wilson and installed Terry Pierce? Your all missing the point here. I objected to the assertion that anything that didn't fall into Khan's view was going to literally "confuse" us.

He was talking about factual info, i.e. whether or not Dayne fumbled the ball. He was not saying that his opinions should be taken as gospel; he was saying that this guy had some of his objective facts wrong (i.e. Dayne did not FUMBLE the ball, as the football talk dude claims). This has been explained to you repeatedly. Have you not sobered up yet? Are you on a binge?

[Florida_Bronco]

I know exactly what is going on. Khan told us that any conflicting report will just make it harder for know what to believe. Those are his words not mine. I will make up my own mind, thank you very much. I didn't like the assertion that his "analysis" had to be taken as fact. I never dissagreed with anything.

What if I said that my comments shouldn't be contradicted because "it makes it harder for people to know what to believe?"

Should we of said Slappy is right, we should of gotten rid of Wilson and installed Terry Pierce? Your all missing the point here. I objected to the assertion that anything that didn't fall into Khan's view was going to literally "confuse" us.
You're just being selective and twisting with his quotes now, you ****stick.

You took Kaylores words and tried to warp it into something about him not liking conflicting reports, when had you liked at the WHOLE post, you would have seen that he was just pissed about FALSE reports that don't give TRUE facts.

Stop twisting his words, you sackless piece of ****.

[watermock]

You continually have an issue with the difference between opinion and fact.

The report that was coflicting with Kaylore's report was littered with inaccuracies, and Kaylore felt it was necessary to identify them so that people who didn't attend camp (you, me, and practically everyone else on this board) know the facts.

That's irrelevant. When did I side with that guy? If he had identified "them" I could respond couldn't I, or would that be too confusing?

[Florida_Bronco]

It is NOT irrelevant, Mock. You started busting Kaylore's balls for calling out an inaccurate report and now you are getting a ritual beatdown for it.

[watermock]

I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe,


So tell me again how it's a misquote. It's verbatim.

[Nuggets4]

And to think I almost didn't read this thread.

Ironic that we had 850 users (a record) visit the site in the past 24 hours, and yet, the same old ugliness seems to foam to the top while wading through the threads... ugh

Gee, funny isn't it? You know, there is a simple solution...

Seriously, why do you still let him post here?

You can't seriously be this stupid.

TJ, careful, Mock might take that as a challenge.

[Taco John]

So tell me again how it's a misquote. It's verbatim.


I can't believe you're this stupid.

Let me ask you a simple question to settle this. Did Ron Dayne fumble the ball that morning in the camp that Kaylore was talking about?

[Steve Sewell]

I know exactly what is going on. Khan told us that any conflicting report will just make it harder for know what to believe. Those are his words not mine. I will make up my own mind, thank you very much. I didn't like the assertion that his "analysis" had to be taken as fact. I never dissagreed with anything.

What if I said that my comments shouldn't be contradicted because "it makes it harder for people to know what to believe?"

Should we of said Slappy is right, we should of gotten rid of Wilson and installed Terry Pierce? Your all missing the point here. I objected to the assertion that anything that didn't fall into Khan's view was going to literally "confuse" us.

Kaylore Said:
Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.

Mock Responded:
WTF? Your going to tell us what to believe?

Mock, conflicting reports WILL make it harder for us to know what to believe, especially since:

1) the vast majority of the posters here cannot be at training camp to watch

2) the report that was conflicting with Kaylore's was so littered with errors, ommisions, and outright fabrications. In other words, the absense of FACT. Kaylore is not trying to lord over the Mane and be the resident expert. He is doing everyone a service by pointing out egregious errors and ommissions that we'd otherwise be completely ignorant about. And by doing so, everyone is better for it, except for, of course, you...

[watermock]

It is NOT irrelevant, Mock. You started busting Kaylore's balls for calling out an inaccurate report and now you are getting a ritual beatdown for it.

That isn't true either. Kaylore has every chance to dissect the other opinion piece by piece. I just didn't like the blanket statement that an contradictory opinion makes us "hard to know what to believe" arrogant.

I'm just defending myself. If you think Kaylores word is gold and any other "contradictory" opinion hurts his ego, that up to you. Honestly, he shouldn't care about other opinions. Everyone seems to think I dissagreed with him! Didn't happen. Am I entitled to hear a contradictory assessment? I guess not. Whatever.

[BroncoInferno]

So tell me again how it's a misquote. It's verbatim.

He was talking about facts, rummy. Either Dayne fumbled the ball or he didn't. Kaylore says he didn't; the other guy says he did. This isn't a subjective observation; one of them must be wrong. It doesn't have anything to with opinions, such as how impressive T. Bell has or hasn't been. What don't you get about this?

[Taco John]

Khan told us that any conflicting report will just make it harder for know what to believe.

Kaylore didn't say this you dope.

He said:

I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.



He's talking about facts you moron. I can't belive how many pages you've drug this out simply to show that you don't understand what is being said around you. Don't you understand? If you had a point, someone would take up for you. But you don't have a point, except for some grtesque thing that you're making up that doesn't even apply.

So frustrating.

[BroncoInferno]

That isn't true either. Kaylore has every chance to dissect the other opinion piece by piece. I just didn't like the blanket statement that an contradictory opinion makes us "hard to know what to believe" arrogant.

HE WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER GUYS OPINIONS; HE WAS TALKING ABOUT OBJECTIVE FACTS, LIKE WHETHER OR NOT DAYNE FUMBLED!!!!!! DOES IT HELP TO TYPE THIS DISTINCTION IN CAPLOCKS?? DO WE NEED TO WRITE IT OUT IN CRAYON??

[Rascal]

Mayn of you will recall a report last year that conflicted with mine, particularly on the subject of BVP. His report later turned out to be false.

So I was curious about a new this year about Tatum Bell that didn't sound anything like reality. I decided to check the source and found it. Meck, Conklin and Ryhmsayers will find this pretty hilarious.

I would like someone who is a member of footballguys talk to start linking our reports to their site. I'd also like it if someone would link this page to their site. Between the guy that posted that and his supposed "friend on the scene" someone is a complete liar.

First, this "report" was from an individual poster quoting Jay Lufkin of XY9 Sports...not an actual representative of footballguys. There actual representative is Cecil Lammey.

I'll post this thread though on the thread where the guy made his "report". And if you are serious about linking all your reports on there, then I can do that as well. I'll put it on Cecil Lammey's thread.

FWIW, there have been no more "reports" by Jay Lufkin.

Here is Cecil's first report:
Broncos Training Camp Report
By Cecil Lammey
7/28/06

The fans were lined up to get into training camp, and the Broncos did not disappoint. They put on a great show, and there were several “ooohs” and “aaaahhhs” heard all day long. Let’s get right to it.

Jake Plummer looked really good today. He was hitting his receivers in stride, and had great zip on the ball. He moved around well behind the line of scrimmage and set up well in nearly all of his throws. Jake had a smile on his face, and seemed very comfortable controlling the offense.

Jay Cutler looked like a rookie today. He threw a pick to a defensive lineman (Demetrin Veal), and seemed to be very nervous. He was double-clutching his throws and seemed to be trying to “aim” his passes, rather than throw them. Cutler had this to say after morning practice: “The intensity is definitely at another level. People are running around a little bit faster and things are moving. I definitely think the notch has been turned up.” He did not put enough pepper on many of his passes, and was throwing very tentatively. It seems he was trying to not make mistakes, more than just play football. He overthrew receivers a couple of times, and generally his timing was off. He is a rookie, and this was his first day, so this doesn’t overly concern me. He too moved well behind the line of scrimmage, and his physical tools are clearly evident. Coach Shanahan had this to say about Cutler: “Well, it’s really not his first day. It’s about his 18th day. He’s getting used to the system and feeling more comfortable with it. There’s a big learning curve there, and it’s going to take a long time. But I’m pleased with the progress that he’s made and the effort that he’s given.”

Bradlee Van Pelt was busted in the mouth today. Rookie Antwan Burton jumped off-sides and continued with the play. He basically slammed Van Pelt to the ground. Mike Shanahan was extremely upset, but assured the media that it wouldn’t happen again. That was the highlight for Van Pelt. It doesn’t seem like he’s improved much as a player, and looked very much the same. He had a better afternoon practice, throwing a TD to Todd Devoe, but he was still forcing the ball into double coverage all the time.

Preston Parsons looked okay. Probably won’t make the team, but I thought he looked better than Van Pelt.

Ron Dayne was actually the most impressive RB in the morning practice. In the afternoon, not so much. He fumbled the ball away, and seemed to be really affected by the heat. He did run with the first team in the morning, and did a solid job. He was making plenty of noise in the morning drills. I like his body control, although he was stumbling a bit running through trash at the line. He showed much more acceleration than he did last season, and looked like he was trying to make the most of his opportunity.

Tatum Bell is fast. That is about the best thing I can say about him. In the morning drills he kept trying to break every run outside. It seemed like his initial read was to break out. There were times when I thought he would be best served cutting back, yet there was Tatum, still trying to get to the corner. His hands seem a little improved although he still had some drops. In the afternoon he was running with the first team and had more trouble reading his blocks. The Denver system is made for cut-back running, and Bell likes to either hit the hole, or if the hole is not there, break it to the outside. It was just the first day, but it seemed like business as usual at the RB position.

Cedric Cobbs looked like he was still running with the scout team. He seemed out of shape, and did not show much patience or balance when running drills.

Mike Bell is clearly in over his head in the NFL. He looked lost behind the line of scrimmage, and had a ball stripped from him.

Cecil Sapp is currently the first team fullback. He dropped some passes that he should’ve caught in drills. He won’t remain the starter if he keeps that up.

Kyle Johnson is solid. He seems to be working hard to get his starting position back. He caught several passes today, even some poorly thrown ones from Cutler and Van Pelt.

Rod Smith is a pro’s pro. He looked very good today going against Champ Bailey in the morning practice. He still has all of his quickness even though he has lost a step speed wise. It will be great for these young receivers to learn from a veteran like Rod.

Javon Walker looked pretty good today. He seemed to be thinking about that knee though. He will need to get over that mental aspect if he’s to every fully be at 100%. After practice Javon had this to say about going up against Champ Bailey: “That was a good first day challenge and the thing about it was that I had that ball, but him (Champ Bailey) being the veteran that he is stuck his hand in and knocked it away. Today is the first day, and it is just like one-on-ones when we were going at each other, so there will be many battles to come and that is the best thing about it. When I am going against him in practice it will make the game so much easier.”

Brandon Marshall did something I’ve never seen him do. He “alligator armed” a pass. That was his only mistake from today’s training camp. He is very big, and although he’s not a burner, he does have very good quickness. I like the way he’s running routes. It’s good to see a rookie perform like that on his first day.

Darius Watts didn’t drop many passes today. He is a preseason stud, so I am very hesitant to lay much praise on Watts unless he starts performing well in October/November. That being said, he had a good day at practice.

Todd Devoe is a hard worker. Unfortunately for him, today wasn’t his day. He had some easy drops and looked frustrated at times. He did catch a TD from Bradlee Van Pelt, so perhaps he can build some momentum for the rest of training camp.

David Kircus drops way too many passes. Nice guy, but there is no chance he makes the final roster.

Charlie Adams dropped some easy ones. He is a hard worker, but lacks the consistency needed to be relied on.

Domenik Hixon did not practice, and Ashley Lelie was not there.

Tony Scheffler is a better blocker than advertised. Now, he’s not a devastating blocker, but he is a very willing blocker, and that will get him a long way. He has incredible hands, and catches the passes with arms extended away from his body. His technique is top notch, and many media types were saying he could be the starter on opening day.

Nate Jackson has improved every season I’ve watched him play. He is a hard worker, but his natural ability is clearly overshadowed by a player like Scheffler. He did make some nice plays, and provided a consistent target.

His second report:
Broncos Training Camp Report
By Cecil Lammey
7/29/06

The hitting was fierce, and there were several stand out players. Jay Cutler and Mike Bell bounced back after poor performances their first day of camp. Coach Shanahan had this to say after practice: “We had a good practice, good work. It was nice to get the shoulder pads on again for the second practice. We had everybody practice this morning except for Nate Webster. I think we got a lot done.”
Let’s get right to it…

Jake Plummer was again looking very good throwing the ball. He missed a long throw to Brandon Marshall, but for the most part looked like the seasoned veteran that he is. I would like to see him take more shots deep, but he was finding his underneath receivers consistently. He made nice reads and threaded the needle on a couple of throws into double coverage.

Jay Cutler made a huge improvement from his performance yesterday. He was firing lasers all over the field. His timing still needs work, but that will come with time and repetition. I liked the way that he was challenging the defense. He wasn’t just taking the underneath stuff, he was pushing the ball down the field with good success. He did have one deep pass broken up by Darrent Williams, but that was more due to DW’s recovery speed than Cutler’s throw. The coaches were talking to him after every play, coaching him up and giving him pointers. He was a lot more relaxed today and didn’t overthrow as many receivers as he did yesterday.

Bradlee Van Pelt was playing not to make mistakes, and it showed. He held onto the ball forever, and struggled making the reads through his progression. When he did throw he was routinely opening his receivers up for punishment with his errant throws. Yesterday was not a fluke, this guy has not improved any from last year. I know he has a new haircut, and a new attitude, but he will have to find a new team if he keeps playing this way.

Preston Parsons had a rough day. He won’t make the team, so this isn’t entirely unexpected.

Ron Dayne displayed good cutback running today. He cut one back this morning to a wide open field on the left side. He showed good forward lean when running and I liked the way he kept his feet moving after initial contact. He even ran out of his shorts! He was running with good initial burst and did a decent job of setting up defenders on the second level. Mike likes what he’s seen so far. “The proof is in the pudding, obviously, but he ran that style offense when he was at Wisconsin and was a Heisman Trophy winner because of it. They ran pretty close to 100 percent zone-blocking scheme, very similar to what we’re running. A zone-blocking scheme, for a running back, is a one-cut back where you don’t have to dance. It’s not a lot of counters. It’s taking the ball downfield and making plays. At his weight and his size, he does have some power. We think he fits our system pretty good.”

Tatum Bell must’ve read yesterday’s report. He was trying to cut back more often, but was rarely successful. There was even an instance where he should’ve ran to the edge (like he usually does), but instead he tried to cut back and got clobbered in the backfield for a 5 yard loss. If he gets a hole he has the speed to be gone. But if the hole is not there he doesn’t seem to have the instinct to create yards on his own. It wasn’t all bad, he did display good hands and his improved receiving ability should help him see more playing time during the regular season.

Mike Bell bounced back in a big way. Yesterday he was berated by coaches for his fumbling and lax effort. Today he came out with a vengeance. He showed good power when running through the middle and was actually the best cutback runner today. He had his helmet knocked off, yet kept fighting for yards. That really impressed the coaches and veterans. He will find a spot on the roster if he continues to play like he did today.

Cedric Cobbs had another disappointing day. He looked like the rookie. He was regularly tackled in the backfield and did not burst through the hole when it opened up for him.

I have to mention Marty Johnson. This former Utah RB looked really good. I barely noticed him yesterday,but he clearly stood out today. I liked his power, and he ran with a lot of “pop.” Maybe a practice squad spot for this guy.

Rod Smith once again looked like the great Rod that we all know. He did go up against Champ in the end zone drills and had a pass batted out of his hands. Other than that he caught nearly every pass thrown his way. He still has the quickness needed to gain separation, but after the cut it’s clear that his speed isn’t once what it was. He can still run great routes and has hands of glue. Coach Shanahan admires Smith, “There are very few guys like Rod Smith. I’ve been fortunate to be around a guy like Jerry Rice for a few years who had Rod Smith’s dedication in the offseason. There’s only one way you play the way Rod has played throughout his career, and that’s to make a commitment in the offseason. It’s been 12 years in a row where he hasn’t missed a workout. When you do that, you have talent, you’re very intelligent and you’re a team player, you usually stay around for awhile.”

Javon Walker was making some nice digs today. He was coming back to the QB on his routes and giving the QB a nice target to throw to. It was nice to see him test that knee the way he did. He made some good catches.

Brandon Marshall was easily the most impressive WR in camp today. He had a great catch in the endzone drills where he skied up over the DB. He caught the ball at its highest point and timed his leap perfectly. He and Cutler are already building a good relationship on the field. I liked the way he’s running his routes, and he has the presence of a veteran. He needs to get his hands up quicker when running stop routes. Rookie WR’s rarely make an impact in the NFL, but Marshall is a prospect with some big time playmaking ability.

David Kircus showed better hands today. He still drops some easy ones. He can make some very tough catches, but lacks consistency.

David Terrell actually had an okay day. He did drop some easy passes in the end zone drills. He also lacked the explosion that he needs off the line of scrimmage.

Darius Watts had a good day. He made several good catches, specifically in the end zone drills. He made an out/in move on Darrent Williams that had the DB reaching for his jock strap. Watts is a player you can root for, we’ll see if he stays consistent. QB Jake Plummer commented on Watts after practice, “He definitely is comfortable. He’s a very smart kid, very smart, who knows what he’s doing. With him, it’s just being consistent, and he has definitely stepped up in that regard. He’s making a lot of catches, he’s in the right spot, he’s running the right routes and he’s getting confidence. I like throwing to him because he gets open, he gets separation just like Rod (Smith) does. Receivers can be fast and have the great hands but if they don’t give you that separation on a DB like Champ (Bailey) you can never get the ball to them. If he gets separation and allows me to get him the ball, I like throwing the ball to him.”

Charlie Adams had a bad day. No other way to put it. He’s playing his way out of a job.

Todd Devoe didn’t do anything to stand out.

Tony Scheffler continues to impress. He beat DJ Williams on a corner route and looked very smooth doing so. The Broncos did have a unique formation with both Scheffler and Dayne split out wide. He is very hard to cover and his technique for catching passes is textbook.

[Rascal]

His Day 3 report:
Broncos Training Camp Report
By Cecil Lammey
7/30/06

It gets hot quick out here in Colorado this time of year. It was heating up on the field as well. Let’s get right to it…


Jake Plummer: Not much new to report here. He is looking good. Very comfortable, very poised, displaying adequate touch on his deep passes. He is very relaxed, and as anyone who has watched Jake Plummer knows, the more comfortable he is, the better he plays.

Jay Cutler: He continues to display that cannon of an arm. I love the zip he puts on the deep stuff, and he’s moving around behind the pocket buying himself more time to make completions. He went 6-6-54 with 1 TD in the Broncos first foray into their “move the ball” drill. In this drill it’s offense v. defense in a live game simulation. He drove the team 70 yards and his offense scored the only TD of the day. Coach was impressed: “You always like to see quarterbacks make plays, and he made a couple plays in that situation, which is good to see. It’s always nice to put them in situations where you see how people are going to react during a game. I thought he did a pretty good job for the first time.”

Bradlee Van Pelt: He is still not challenging the defense deep. He likes to dump off to his RB’s or TE’s. He did make a nice play when the pocket broke down on him and he had to scramble to the side and make the completion. I think he’s really feeling pressure from Cutler (whereas Plummer is not). He’s not the same, wild-eyed, reckless player that he used to be. But it’s his former self that used to be able to make plays that only a few can make while scrambling. He seems to be trying very hard not to mess up, instead of just playing football.

Ron Dayne: Ron was running with some good power today. He managed to keep his shorts on, and he kept his knees high when running through trash in the middle. The grass was wet this morning, and several players were slipping. Dayne made a nice catch after he slipped and was just getting back to his feet when the ball got there. It’s good to see a player not known for receiving make that kind of effort.

Tatum Bell: Bell looked much better today. In the morning he looked really good catching the ball out of the backfield. His best run of the day was when he started off tackle, got to the 2nd level of the defense, then broke it outside for a big gain. It’s very evident what this guy could do if he puts it all together. He is best served taking what the defense gives him, then breaking it outside once he gets past the line of scrimmage. He ran with good explosion, although he did slip on a run (which had Bobby Turner yelling at him.) If Bell can string together some practices like this it will make it tough for the Broncos to decide on a starter.

Mike Bell: Another great day for Mike Bell. He lost his helmet (again!), and was running with great power up the middle. He made one cut that had the defense grasping for air. He is not very creative in the open field, but he does try to bull over smaller defenders. He’s not afraid to mix it up, and this is getting him some big respect from the veterans. He did pretty good in pass protection, which is key for any rookie RB. Mike Shanahan had this to say about Mike Bell after morning practice: “Mike’s having a heck of a camp. He really has stepped up and has been very impressive. A lot of players see him making plays that they haven’t seen for awhile. He’s right in the mix.”

Cedric Cobbs: He had his best day of camp today. The bad thing is, it wasn’t that great. He did have a nice run where he cut back against the grain, and made a long run. Then he fumbled a hand off from Bradlee Van Pelt that was returned for a TD. He was being yelled at by the coaches on a regular basis again today.

Marty Johnson: It was back to earth day for Johnson. I like his power, but see a PS roster spot in his future.

Cecil Sapp: He looked good as a lead blocker, and caught some nice swing passes. He’s looking like a lock for the starting job.

Kyle Johnson: KJ is one of my favorite Broncos, yet is not having a very good camp. He slipped on the wet surface this morning, and dropped some easy passes.

Rod Smith: Rod was quite active and fired up today. Practice is getting tougher, and some of the veterans are getting cranky. But when Rod is fired up, that means bad things for the defense. He caught nearly everything that was thrown at him today. I expect nothing less from this all-pro receiver.

Javon Walker: He knows how to set up routes. He reads the blitz effectively and adjusts his routes accordingly. I like to see his explosion off the line of scrimmage. It tells me that his knee is closer to 100%, and he’s getting over the mental part of his injury.

Darius Watts: It was an up and down day for Watts. He had a pass on an out route that went right through his hands. Then he would follow that up with a spectacular catch between defenders. His concentration seems to wane from time to time. He has great explosion, and his quickness is all-world. He can set up most any CB on a route. It’s unfortunate he isn’t more consistent, because he can get open against anyone.

Brandon Marshall: The big rookie is still looking good. I love to see him go up against Champ Bailey. He had a deep pass thrown to him when Champ was covering him. Unfortunately the ball was overthrown and out of bounds. He did not drop a pass today. That is not hyperbole, he caught everything thrown his way. I believe that Denver has a special player here, and fans are in for a treat if this guy develops like he should.

Todd Devoe: he played as bad as Charlie Adams today.

Charlie Adams: next!

Tony Scheffler: Another rookie that caught every pass thrown at him. There weren’t many balls thrown his way in drills, but he did catch them all. He is very athletic and creates mismatch problems no matter if a linebacker or defensive back is covering him.

Stephen Alexander: He made some nice catches in drills today. The coaches were calling, “Nice catch SA!” so that is always a good sign for a player.

Nate Jackson: He continues with his steady performances every day.

[Steve Sewell]

That isn't true either. Kaylore has every chance to dissect the other opinion piece by piece. I just didn't like the blanket statement that an contradictory opinion makes us "hard to know what to believe" arrogant.

I'm just defending myself. If you think Kaylores word is gold and any other "contradictory" opinion hurts his ego, that up to you. Honestly, he shouldn't care about other opinions. Everyone seems to think I dissagreed with him! Didn't happen. Am I entitled to hear a contradictory assessment? I guess not. Whatever.

Goddamnit man, Kaylore was revealing misrepresnted facts from the other report. How hard is that to grasp?

fact

NOUN:

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences.

opinion

NOUN:

1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

[Taco John]

I just didn't like the blanket statement that an contradictory opinion makes us "hard to know what to believe" arrogant.

What is your IQ? Like 50? How in the world can it believe that what you just said here even happened like this? Your reading comprehension has obviously taken a serious dent.


I'm just defending myself.

Fruitlessly. You can't defend yourself when you don't know where the punches are coming from. You're simply wrong as can be, and don't even realize it.


Honestly, he shouldn't care about other opinions.

HE DOESN'T YOU MORON! You're the only one bringing up opinions here. Kaylore is trying to establish fact. For isntance, can you tell us if Ron Dayne fumbled the ball the other morning? Of course you can't. Shut up already.




Am I entitled to hear a contradictory assessment? I guess not. Whatever.

Not if it's this invalid. You're showing absolutely no understanding of what Kaylore was trying to say. You took his statements about the facts and took them as an affront to your meager opinions. It's as stupid a thing that I've ever witnessed anyone do in my many years on the Internet. I can't believe you wasted all of our time.

[Rascal]

I just posted this on the footballguy thread where Cecil Lammey was making his reports:

For those who want a second set of eyes on the Broncos Training Camp, there is a Broncos message board, The Orange Mane, who has one of their members, Kaylore, attending all of their camps and reporting on what he observes.

For those that are interested, that site is http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=44435.

[Rock Chalk]

Dude, you are wound way to tight. Take a deep breath.

Why do you let Clowns (including me) piss you off?
Ha!

Dont get it twisted, Im not pissed. Irritated a bit at Mock, and then Florida Bronco for commenting on the least important part of what I posted but not pissed.

[Nuggets4]

That isn't true either. Kaylore has every chance to dissect the other opinion piece by piece. I just didn't like the blanket statement that an contradictory opinion makes us "hard to know what to believe" arrogant.

I'm just defending myself. If you think Kaylores word is gold and any other "contradictory" opinion hurts his ego, that up to you. Honestly, he shouldn't care about other opinions. Everyone seems to think I dissagreed with him! Didn't happen. Am I entitled to hear a contradictory assessment? I guess not. Whatever.

Someone (mods) let me know if this graphic needs to be edited for language.

[Steve Sewell]

Not if it's this invalid. You're showing absolutely no understanding of what Kaylore was trying to say. You took his statements about the facts and took them as an affront to your meager opinions. It's as stupid a thing that I've ever witnessed anyone do in my many years on the Internet. I can't believe you wasted all of our time.

TJ...why don't you just ban this sucker and get it over with. His membership here is pretty much pointless on all counts.

[Rascal]

Also, the thread where the report was created has been locked by FBG.

ChampBailey24, not sure if that's the same one here, posted this: "This is fake. XY9 sports doesn't exist and I found nothing about a sport writer named Jay Lufkin on google."

Later Joe Bryant, the owner of footballguys, locked the thread until the source could be verified.

"Putting this on hold here until we find out more on the source.
I've PM'd BDK and I'm sure he'll get back to us.
J"

[Meck77]

Alot of what we fans see on the practice field is subjective. It is a matter of fact of whether a guy fumbles a ball or not. I'm not sure if Cecil is getting paid or not but I think he does it for the fun of it. I've taken alot of heat from people not liking something at a tailgate party. You simply can't please all the people all the time. Honestly I think it's good that we have another source in Cecil to compare notes with. Between Kahn,Med,Socal, Cecil, Conklin, DU, and others that have gone to camp it gives us all more information to draw from and compare.

Just because I say Kircus is the Eddie Mac doesn't mean it is true. ;D Hey I just like rooting for the underdog. I don't see how a "take" from one person's camp report should influence anothers. Hell we all watch the same Broncos game and there will be 46,000 different opinions on who's fault it was why we lost. If a gametape doesn't speak for itself how is one play at training camp (with no video replay) supposed to be such a matter of fact?

[Rascal]

Mock,

You can safely assume that the report is bogus, because the site where that original was posted has locked the thread where it was created until the information and the source can be verified.

And from what I've read the reports given by Kaylore, closely match the reports given by that sites own camp representative, not this one rogue report which has created all this controversy.

[watermock]

Kaylore Said:
Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.

Mock Responded:
WTF? Your going to tell us what to believe?

Mock, conflicting reports WILL make it harder for us to know what to believe, especially since:

1) the vast majority of the posters here cannot be at training camp to watch

2)
I never questioned Kaylores accuracy. It's irrelevant what some poster said somewhere, sometime. I will fold at this point. I never even read the guy's post. That wasn't the point. Why didn't Kaylore just post it and dissect it?

Instead, he's "making it hard to know what to believe".

Look, I think Khan is a fine reporter when he's not selling tin, but don't tell us that a "conflicting report"

[quote]the report that was conflicting with Kaylore's was so littered with errors, ommisions, and outright fabrications. In other words, the absense of FACT. Kaylore is not trying to lord over the Mane and be the resident expert. He is doing everyone a service by pointing out egregious errors and ommissions that we'd otherwise be completely ignorant about. And by doing so, everyone is better for it, except for, of course, you...

Again, it dosn't matter if I think the moon is made of cheese. I don't care if BooB was making the report. It has nothing to do with the argument. I just think that we can make up our own minds without a statment that basically says that a "contradictory" statement "makes it harder for people to know what to believe."

That's all. Go ahead and stomp on my head. The argument is quite valid. I don't care if the guy is a moron. The argument wasn't about some idiots assessment of training camp. I'm perfectly aware Kaylore is reporting.

Have your tea.

[Florida_Bronco]

Ha!

Dont get it twisted, Im not pissed. Irritated a bit at Mock, and then Florida Bronco for commenting on the least important part of what I posted but not pissed.

We're all sick of Mock, but that gives you zero right to come on here and blantantly bash the site that TJ works so hard to maintain.

I stand by my original post...if you don't like it here, take yourself somewhere else. End of story.

[Steve Sewell]

[QUOTE=Steve Sewell]Kaylore Said:
Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.

Mock Responded:
WTF? Your going to tell us what to believe?

Mock, conflicting reports WILL make it harder for us to know what to believe, especially since:

1) the vast majority of the posters here cannot be at training camp to watch

2)
I never questioned Kaylores accuracy. It's irrelevant what some poster said somewhere, sometime. I will fold at this point. I never even read the guy's post. That wasn't the point. Why didn't Kaylore just post it and dissect it?

Instead, he's "making it hard to know what to believe".

Look, I think Khan is a fine reporter when he's not selling tin, but don't tell us that a "conflicting report"



Again, it dosn't matter if I think the moon is made of cheese. I don't care if BooB was making the report. It has nothing to do with the argument. I just think that we can make up our own minds without a statment that basically says that a "contradictory" statement "makes it harder for people to know what to believe."

That's all. Go ahead and stomp on my head. The argument is quite valid. I don't care if the guy is a moron. The argument wasn't about some idiots assessment of training camp. I'm perfectly aware Kaylore is reporting.

Have your tea.


I tried to wade my way through this pool of jacka$$ery and I was mildly successful.

My question to you, Mock, is how can you "make up your own mind" if you weren't there to witness the practice?

Your argument is not valid because your argument is based entirely using the word "opinion" in the place of the word "fact". The argument is over facts, not opinions. Did you read the definitions I posted for you?

[Florida_Bronco]

Again, it dosn't matter if I think the moon is made of cheese. I don't care if BooB was making the report. It has nothing to do with the argument. I just think that we can make up our own minds without a statment that basically says that a "contradictory" statement "makes it harder for people to know what to believe."

That's all. Go ahead and stomp on my head. The argument is quite valid. I don't care if the guy is a moron. The argument wasn't about some idiots assessment of training camp. I'm perfectly aware Kaylore is reporting.

Have your tea.

So all of this is basically saying that you cherish the right to believe inaccurate information and make yourself look stupid as a result?

Now I think I'm starting to understand what your major malfunction is.

[Rascal]

TJ and Kaylore,

Do you guys want me to just link the thread with all the camp reports to FBG's (the sticky thread created by Garcia), or do you want me to copy and paste them there (probably on the Cecil Lammey thread)?

Please advise.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Im not sick of mock (he is part of the mane you may not like him but I see his views as lets say different) but I find it funny that you all have let his remarks stir up this little argument just ingnore it and keep moving.

Also just want to send a :thumbs: to Kaylore, SoCal, Med, and the rest. I have enjoyed reading you thoughts and input. You guys go the extra mile not onl for yourself but for our small community.

[Florida_Bronco]

Im not sick of mock (he is part of the mane you may not like him but I see his views as lets say different) but I find it funny that you all have let his remarks stir up this little argument just ingnore it and keep moving.

Also just want to send a :thumbs: to Kaylore, SoCal, Med, and the rest. I have enjoyed reading you thoughts and input. You guys go the extra mile not onl for yourself but for our small community.

I understand your point of view, but it really goes deeper than that as well.

Mock has gone past the point of being a jackass and worthless poster. He's not insulting our members (even more so than before) and generally causing problems on this forum. His comments about my dead father would have got him banned had he not been able to edit the post before I could quote him, and his blantant attack on Kaylore is just rude to a guy who put his life on hold to give us a glimpse into whats going on with the Broncos.

[MechanicalBull]

Maybe the ground caused the fumble by Dayne. Lets have instant replay in training camp. Hilarious! Just wanted to give a big thanks to all you guys out in Denver giving us reports it makes the day go by a lot faster and make me wish the season already started. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Florida_Bronco]

It's amazing how many people have gathered both to kick Mock's teeth in for him and to witness the spectacle.

[Meck77]

It's amazing how many people have gathered both to kick Mock's teeth in for him and to witness the spectacle.

rep

[Broncoman13]

I haven't read all 7 pages of this thread... mainly b/c I think it's a joke.

Khan, I think you do a tremendous job of posting accurate and insightful training camp reports. I agree, if Champ had intercepted Cutler twice it would have been all over the place. They made a big deal about Veal's one INT. You think Champ getting two in one practice wouldn't have made the same headlines!!!

Here's the deal though. I think the other reports are great as well. Sure you have to dig a little to decipher what is accurate and what is not, but perhaps you can look at it as most of us confirming your reports. If I see you say the sky was orange in Dove Valley today, and then another reporter says the same thing it's a done deal. No doubt the sky was orange in Dove Valley! Now if you say it was Orange and another reporter says it was a green I'm probably going to question it a little bit and look for future reports, but I'm believing it's orange until proved otherwise.

Khan, you're getting your feelings hurt and wondering why somebody would post something different than you. First off, you have to understand that different people see things differently. Second, you have to understand that you are a Broncos fan. You know more about our team. You know the names and the numbers. A perfect example was last year's reports on Mauck/Kannell/BVP. I bet the conflicting reports from last year came from a source that couldn't tell which guy was which. You being a fan of the team know exactly who is who.

Last but not least... Relax. You're taking this thing way too seriously. I guess TJ requested that you have the reports only on the Mane and it put too much pressure on you to govern that. Personally, if that's the case then this should be a pay-per site. I can certainly understand wanting ownership of your reports as they are insanely detailed and better than most scouts or reporters could give, but that shouldn't be your job to govern. If it were me though, I'd want them out all over the place b/c you're getting nothing but credit for doing an outstanding job.

Keep up the good work, I know I appreciate it.

[Taco John]

Did Mock take over Oskie's account or something? Hilarious!

[Florida_Bronco]

Did Mock take over Oskie's account or something? Hilarious!

Impossible. OSKIE's post was coherent.

[Taco John]

Khan, you're getting your feelings hurt and wondering why somebody would post something different than you.

He wasn't getting his feelings hurt. He's simply trying to tell people that the other report is a FALSE REPORT. REPEAT: THEIR FACTS ARE MADE UP.


I guess TJ requested that you have the reports only on the Mane and it put too much pressure on you to govern that.

No I didn't. What are you even talking about? Are you dipping into Mock's sauce?

[baja]

Um, maybe you enjoy the retarded threads that clutter up the board. Maybe you enjoy the incessant trolling by Bob and his cohorts. Maybe you enjoy the innane ramblings of a moronic administrator. Maybe you enjoy the endless mock drubbings and rantings. If so, of course you will think that there is a lot to offer here.

You're way too cool for this place we all know that because you are constantly insinuating it.

[Broncoman13]

Alot of what we fans see on the practice field is subjective. It is a matter of fact of whether a guy fumbles a ball or not. I'm not sure if Cecil is getting paid or not but I think he does it for the fun of it. I've taken alot of heat from people not liking something at a tailgate party. You simply can't please all the people all the time. Honestly I think it's good that we have another source in Cecil to compare notes with. Between Kahn,Med,Socal, Cecil, Conklin, DU, and others that have gone to camp it gives us all more information to draw from and compare.

Just because I say Kircus is the Eddie Mac doesn't mean it is true. ;D Hey I just like rooting for the underdog. I don't see how a "take" from one person's camp report should influence anothers. Hell we all watch the same Broncos game and there will be 46,000 different opinions on who's fault it was why we lost. If a gametape doesn't speak for itself how is one play at training camp (with no video replay) supposed to be such a matter of fact?

Same opinion here. The more reports the better as far as I'm concerned. I won't lie though. It disturbs me that I'm being asked not to post other "conflicting" reports.

[Taco John]

Same opinion here. The more reports the better as far as I'm concerned. I won't lie though. It disturbs me that I'm being asked not to post other "conflicting" reports.


What in the world are you talking about? Hilarious!


Is today "Show No Reading Comprehension Day?"

[Steve Sewell]

What in the world are you talking about? Hilarious!


Is today "Show No Reading Comprehension Day?"

I think this is more related to OSKIE's decision not to read the entire 7 page thread. If he had, he'd have a better idea of what we're talking about here.

[Broncoman13]

He wasn't getting his feelings hurt. He's simply trying to tell people that the other report is a FALSE REPORT. REPEAT: THEIR FACTS ARE MADE UP.




No I didn't. What are you even talking about? Are you dipping into Mock's sauce?


Then why is it that he's asking not to post reports that don't see the same thing as him? I understand facts are facts, and like I said I took his word over anybody else's. But I'm sorry TJ, I'm not going to stop reading other reports b/c they may conflict with Kaylore's. I'll stop posting them since it's apparent that you and Khan are on the same page, but I think it's bullshiat!

If you didn't ask him to add a disclaimer on his threads then I stand corrected. I just thought it was pretty shiaty that right after we have a bunch of sister/brother sites welcome us b/c the Mane is down, we turn around and screw them by saying they can't post these reports on their own site. But, if that wasn't your request then I stand corrected and got bad info.

[Taco John]

I think this is more related to OSKIE's decision not to read the entire 7 page thread. If he had, he'd have a better idea of what we're talking about here.



Yeah, gotta love that... "I'm not going to bother to understand what is being said here, but I'd like to make a couple of blanket accusations and hope that they're relevant."

[Broncoman13]

What in the world are you talking about? Hilarious!


Is today "Show No Reading Comprehension Day?"


I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.



I took this as inserting conflicting reports on the Mane. I'll gladly admit if I'm wrong. But I think Khan means that he doesn't like it when we post other people's reports on the Mane. How do you interpret this?

[baja]

Noone gets the argument.



Can't we make up our own minds what to believe? I didn't object to anything in his reports, they are great. It's a straight forward argument. I allready apologized for whatever my capital offense is. I just don't think a differing opinion makes it "harder for people to know what to believe." If I'm told the moon is made of cheese and someone else says it a big rock, I'm not entitiled to take that point of view? Even if I do think the moon is made of cheese, I'm entitled to see other opinions. Everyone is supposed to line up like ducks in a row for his self validation? Fine. I didn't dissagree about a single point in his reports. I said that they were opinions. Good ones at that. Asserting that if someone has a "conflicting view" is going to confuse me is an assertion and implicitly arrogant. One poster said Tatum Bell rocked...Khan said he sucked. I'm just supposed to accept that his assesment is the right one? Go ahead and make your ban mock poll.

I never argued with his reports whatsoever...I just said that a "conflicting report" would confuse the lemmings annoying. This has nothing to do with his reporting...it's about asserting that anyone dissagreeing is going to "harder for people to know what to believe".

I understand your point Mock, your problem entered when you ran your alcohol induced acid judgments on Gaylore after he spent hours posting super reports about something we all want to hear and can get no other place.

You really don't think an entire Bronco nation has misunderstood you do you?

A some point you might realize when you have grief it always involves booze, that day will be your first step to recovery.

I would never vote to ban you.

[Taco John]

Then why is it that he's asking not to post reports that don't see the same thing as him?

He's not. Not even once. He's just trying to alret folks to the fact that the "reporter" in question is actuallly MAKING THINGS UP THAT NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED.


But I'm sorry TJ, I'm not going to stop reading other reports b/c they may conflict with Kaylore's.

Nobody is asking you to. I can't believe you even think that they are.


I'll stop posting them since it's apparent that you and Khan are on the same page, but I think it's bullshiat!

I can't even believe how badly off you are. You should be embarassed. Nobody said you ca't post conflicting reports. Khan is merely alerting us that someone is out there making things up that never happened.

If you didn't ask him to add a disclaimer on his threads then I stand corrected.

No, he asked me what he could do to protect them. He wants to make certain that the Orange Mane is receiving credit for them.


I just thought it was pretty shiaty that right after we have a bunch of sister/brother sites welcome us b/c the Mane is down, we turn around and screw them by saying they can't post these reports on their own site. But, if that wasn't your request then I stand corrected and got bad info.

You definitely got bad info. Not only that, you mis-processed what was being said in the first place.

[Steve Sewell]

Then why is it that he's asking not to post reports that don't see the same thing as him? I understand facts are facts, and like I said I took his word over anybody else's. But I'm sorry TJ, I'm not going to stop reading other reports b/c they may conflict with Kaylore's. I'll stop posting them since it's apparent that you and Khan are on the same page, but I think it's bullshiat!

If you didn't ask him to add a disclaimer on his threads then I stand corrected. I just thought it was pretty shiaty that right after we have a bunch of sister/brother sites welcome us b/c the Mane is down, we turn around and screw them by saying they can't post these reports on their own site. But, if that wasn't your request then I stand corrected and got bad info.

That's NOT what he was saying, OSKIE! This had to do with one report that seriously conflicted with Kaylore's. Kaylore listed the report's obvious inaccuracies, which were so egregious as to imply that the report was bordering on being completely bogus. Mock took "offense" because of his interpretation that Kaylore was patronizing him by telling him what he should believe and not believe, because apparently it was Kaylore's "opinion" that Cutler didn't throw 2 INT's to Champ and Dayne didn't fumble twice.

[Taco John]

I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.



I took this as inserting conflicting reports on the Mane. I'll gladly admit if I'm wrong. But I think Khan means that he doesn't like it when we post other people's reports on the Mane. How do you interpret this?



He should have used the word "false" instead of conflicting, but that's not a big deal when you take it all in context and apply a little reading comprehension. He was talking about reporters who post false reports that conflict with not only what he is saying, but also what is being said by the several other reports that are out there. You might have picked this up if you put the statement in context with what was being said around it. Kaylore wasn't trying to stop people from posting various camp reports. He was trying to get people to consider the source, because there is someone out there flat out making things up.

[Arkie]

I refer to Kaylore and the Orange Force One Crew as amateur media because they don't get paid, but they are better than the pros. I look at it this way. I'm glad they aren't professional journalists doing this 365 days a year. Obviously, it's hard work, but seems fun and more informative coming from fellow Bronco fanatics that work hard for this info during a short period. The pros just go through the motions at work. It's not fun for them.

[Anne]

Isn't anybody to going to read or reply to Rascal's posts? Having read them, I don't find the points of view all that different but don't let that stop this pointless rant. Whatever...Who cares?

[Florida_Bronco]

It's amazing how people zeroing in on 1 word rather than the whole post has created 5 pages fighting.

[Arkie]

TJ...why don't you just ban this sucker and get it over with. His membership here is pretty much pointless on all counts.

I think he helped build this site up during the early days.

[Florida_Bronco]

I think he helped build this site up during the early days.
That doesn't excuse the way he's been treating people lately.

[Rascal]

Isn't anybody to going to read or reply to Rascal's posts? Having read them, I don't find the points of view all that different but don't let that stop this pointless rant. Whatever...Who cares?

That post is worth 500 posts...you are no longer considered a newbie :)

I thought I cleared it up quite well in my posts that the "report" in question has been deemed trash by the website that posted it. Why it is still causing such an arguement I have no idea.

Now if Kaylore and Cecil Lammey's reports differed considerably then I could understand this, but it's not.

[Arkie]

That doesn't excuse the way he's been treating people lately.

That's true, but he seemed to refer a lot of people from old sites to this one when it first started, and I bet he's always been the most active member. He probably has about 10,000 decent football takes and about 45,000 posts of gibberish, sometimes funny.

[Florida_Bronco]

That's true, but he seemed to refer a lot of people from old sites to this one when it first started, and I bet he's always been the most active member. He probably has about 10,000 decent football takes and about 45,000 posts of gibberish, sometimes funny.
Yeah, I'm all for letting him stick around if he removes his head from his ass.

[Broncoman13]

He should have used the word "false" instead of conflicting, but that's not a big deal when you take it all in context and apply a little reading comprehension. He was talking about reporters who post false reports that conflict with not only what he is saying, but also what is being said by the several other reports that are out there. You might have picked this up if you put the statement in context with what was being said around it. Kaylore wasn't trying to stop people from posting various camp reports. He was trying to get people to consider the source, because there is someone out there flat out making things up.

TJ, I understand all of that. I think Rascal proved long ago that this dude was more of a drifter than an actual reporter. Most of what Cecil has wrote has jived with Khan. The only exception really is that of Kircus. Anyhow, sorry I got bad info. Unfortunately, I don't think that I'm the only one with the same information or opinion. I'm sure you can see how some would look at the Mane now. Right after we invade their site b/c ours was donw...etc.

[Rock Chalk]

That's true, but he seemed to refer a lot of people from old sites to this one when it first started, and I bet he's always been the most active member. He probably has about 10,000 decent football takes and about 45,000 posts of gibberish, sometimes funny.
mock brought orange 4 life here I know. that alone may be worth the reprieve. o4l has given us many of the best threads ever. The Cutler meltdown thread was an instant classic.

[Arkie]

Ironically, the title of this thread is false. LOL

[Taco John]

Unfortunately, I don't think that I'm the only one with the same information or opinion. I'm sure you can see how some would look at the Mane now. Right after we invade their site b/c ours was donw...etc.


*shrug*

People are welcome to think what they want. That part doesn't bother me at all.

[Rascal]

Ironically, the title of this thread is false. LOL

Yeap it is.

[Play2win]

And I thought POLITICS was supposed to stay in the WRP Forum... ;D

[Broncoman13]

*shrug*

People are welcome to think what they want. That part doesn't bother me at all.


So we go down for a week here on the Mane, other boards welcome our members during the down time... some even set aside special forums for the Mane Refugees, and we thank them like this... and you don't give a shiat? Nice. New found respect for you TJ. Wish you the best.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Isn't anybody to going to read or reply to Rascal's posts? Having read them, I don't find the points of view all that different but don't let that stop this pointless rant. Whatever...Who cares?
I read them just trying not to get involved in all this. I though Rascals dude and Kaylor almost wrote the exact same thing just using alittle different ways to say it. I myself never questioned Khan's articles he is there watching it and knows what actualy happens and has a good take on how things are going for each player.

[Broncoman13]

I read them just trying not to get involved in all this. I though Rascals dude and Kaylor almost wrote the exact same thing just using alittle different ways to say it. I myself never questioned Khan's articles he is there watching it and knows what actualy happens and has a good take on how things are going for each player.


Not to mention being a fan of the team helps him to distinguish certain players apart. Sometimes, when you go into a new camp with new faces you can't differentiate between the #'s. For example, it's easy to identify with Rod Smith and Javon Walker. Not so easy to id Kircus or some of the other lesser known receivers. But, b/c Khan is a fan of the team he is up to speed on who's who. Perfect example is last year's QB's. Kannel/BVP/Mauck. Khan could tell them apart, I think a few other reporters that weren't Broncos fans had trouble with that trio.

Bottom line. Khan is doing a great job with his reports. I'd take his, SoCal's, and Med's word over anybody else. They know our team quite well. It's the other stuff that I have a problem with... not the reports or their legitimacy.

[The Big E]

It is a fact that my opinion of Mock is that he's an a-hole who ruins too many threads.

To Kaylore and the gang, thanks a ton for your excellent contributions of the facts, and your opinions of how they impacted the players' performances.

[Florida_Bronco]

It is a fact that my opinion of Mock is that he's an a-hole who ruins too many threads.

Looks like quite a few people share that opinion. ROFL!

[Kaylore]

Oskie, you need to read dude. You don't know what you're talking about, don't know why this was started and are already defending it in spite of your ignorance.

I didn't poo-poo other reports, I poo-pooed one person who was making stuff up. I was warning people that a source was bad and wasn't posting facts. I didn't attack him for thinking Foxworth is better than Baile or some other such subjective opinion. I laid into him because he was MAKING STUFF UP!

I think the guy is a Bronco fan and just wanted to get people excited. If you read it, it reads like what someone wishes the camp would go like; Tatum Bell is going to be amazing and humble, Champ beats everybody except Rod (This shows Rod is still great but Champ is great too), Champ gets a ton of interceptions all the time, Javon is working his way back, etc. It reads like someone who's read the news and is guessing what it's like. None of the FACTS jive with what this guy is saying.

I didn't say "only my reports are good." I didn't ask people to stop posting other reports. I didn't say Broncomania or some other site is bad. I just said this report on this site is totally bogus and people should not listen to it's author.

Jeez. :oyvey:

[Taco John]

So we go down for a week here on the Mane, other boards welcome our members during the down time... some even set aside special forums for the Mane Refugees, and we thank them like this... and you don't give a shiat? Nice. New found respect for you TJ. Wish you the best.



Thank them like what? I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

[Rascal]

The problem people have is this statement right here by Kaylore, "Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe."

On it's face value it could appear that Kaylore is stating that his reports are the only truthful reports and everything else is wrong if it doesn't agree with his. And that he doesn't appreciate it when people posts those others reports because we shouldn't need to read anything other then his.

But if you know Kaylore, and have read his comments on this thread, it would become known that he a) doesn't care if people posts other reports, b) was simply concerned that the report in question was bogus, and c) reported very similar things to other reports by Cecil Lammey.

Maybe Kaylore should have phrased his senetence different, maybe people should read all the comments before jumping to conclusions...either way this thread needs to die.

And for what it's worth I find it hard to believe that you, TJ, don't care what others think of this site. You've stated, or at least given the impression, that you want to build the mane up as a credible message board (ie get media passes from the Broncos, etc)...that indicates that one does care what others think.

I'm done with this thread.

[Taco John]

And for what it's worth I find it hard to believe that you, TJ, don't care what others think of this site. You've stated, or at least given the impression, that you want to build the mane up as a credible message board (ie get media passes from the Broncos, etc)...that indicates that one does care what others think.

What am I going to do? Sit here wishing that everybody liked us? For instance, it doesn't bother me that there are folks that come here, get information for free, and then split to The Southstands to pay to talk junk about the people bringing them the information in the first place. I'd go nuts if I worried about what everybody thought of me/this site.

Obviously, I want people to think well of it... But if they don't, it's no skin off my back. We've got more traffic than we can handle.

[Broncoman13]

The problem people have is this statement right here by Kaylore, "Obviously I do. I want people to know that what I report is accurate. I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe."

On it's face value it could appear that Kaylore is stating that his reports are the only truthful reports and everything else is wrong if it doesn't agree with his. And that he doesn't appreciate it when people posts those others reports because we shouldn't need to read anything other then his.

But if you know Kaylore, and have read his comments on this thread, it would become known that he a) doesn't care if people posts other reports, b) was simply concerned that the report in question was bogus, and c) reported very similar things to other reports by Cecil Lammey.

Maybe Kaylore should have phrased his senetence different, maybe people should read all the comments before jumping to conclusions...either way this thread needs to die.

And for what it's worth I find it hard to believe that you, TJ, don't care what others think of this site. You've stated, or at least given the impression, that you want to build the mane up as a credible message board (ie get media passes from the Broncos, etc)...that indicates that one does care what others think.

I'm done with this thread.



REP!!!

Khan, I appreciate your reports. Keep up the good work.

TJ, if you can't figure out what I'm talking about then I guess you just have too much going on. It's not rocket science and I'm not speaking in code.

To Quote Rascal... I'm done with this thread!

[baja]

What am I going to do? Sit here wishing that everybody liked us? For instance, it doesn't bother me that there are folks that come here, get information for free, and then split to The Southstands to pay to talk junk about the people bringing them the information in the first place. I'd go nuts if I worried about what everybody thought of me/this site.

Obviously, I want people to think well of it... But if they don't, it's no skin off my back. We've got more traffic than we can handle.

Ha Ha Ha Ha soo true

I love SSJ and most of the crew over there but they do think they are the cats meow and that the OM is lame but they have no trouble re posting OM sourced info. good call Taco John.

[Broncoman13]

We've got more traffic than we can handle.


D'UH! I've already brought that up. No response to my PM's as of yet though.

[Taco John]

Ha Ha Ha Ha soo true

I love SSJ and most of the crew over there but they do think they are the cats meow and that the OM is lame but they have no trouble re posting OM sourced info. good call Taco John.



So do I. I have absolutely nothing against SSJ. Hell, I go a long way back with a lot of the fellas there. If they want to pay to talk junk about us, that's fine. Some board mods would flip out, start banning people, and demanding allegiance. Just look at RaiderFans.net for an example of that. Me, I just shrug and move forward trying to deliver the best that I can and hope people appreciate it.

[Broncoman13]

Ha Ha Ha Ha soo true

I love SSJ and most of the crew over there but they do think they are the cats meow and that the OM is lame but they have no trouble re posting OM sourced info. good call Taco John.


That's a great point Baja. I've never been to that site and don't know much about it. This isn't what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about pulling 75-200 new posters over here, when we're already slowed to a slow creep, so that they can read the great reports from the OF1 crew. Perhaps it's just timing, but personally, I'd rather be able to get on the Mane and read Khan's reports... as opposed to always getting the "refresh" message and not being able to see shiat on the mane.

[baja]

D'UH! I've already brought that up. No response to my PM's as of yet though.

Dude relax TJ is allowed to go off once and a while just like the rest of us when something sticks in our craw. people here hold him to a higher standard just because it's his site. Alec for instance calls him out often just to appear cool and connected yet I have never seen TJ respond in kind to him. sooner or later Mock gets to each of us and last night it was TJ.

relax breath some CC air ;D

[baja]

So do I. I have absolutely nothing against SSJ. Hell, I go a long way back with a lot of the fellas there. If they want to pay to talk junk about us, that's fine. Some board mods would flip out, start banning people, and demanding allegiance. Just look at RaiderFans.net for an example of that. Me, I just shrug and move forward trying to deliver the best that I can and hope people appreciate it.

Taco John I want to tell you straight up you run this place about as well as a message board can be run.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! ;D

[bronco militia]

if you you're going to talk crap about the http://thesouthstands.com at least provide a link...sheesh!

that's http://thesouthstands.com at http://thesouthstands.com.

Nnyah! Ha!

[Kaylore]

Taco John I want to tell you straight up you run this place about as well as a message board can be run.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! ;D
Taco, I want to tell you you haven't given me my 10k cookie yet! :TJnPopps:

[Broncoman13]

Dude relax TJ is allowed to go off once and a while just like the rest of us when something sticks in our craw. people here hold him to a higher standard just because it's his site. Alec for instance calls him out often just to appear cool and connected yet I have never seen TJ respond in kind to him. sooner or later Mock gets to each of us and last night it was TJ.

relax breath some CC air ;D

I'm done. Like I said, I just think it sucks that we all have to be affected by the onslaught of newcomers to the Mane. If it didn't affect the site I wouldn't say a word. In fact, I've never complained about the newcomers... and really it's not the new comers that are bothering me now, it's the fact that I can't get on the Mane at times b/c there's too many people.

Alec is a friend of mine, but don't put me in his ballpark. I don't make it a habit to call TJ out and openly thank him for his work to the Mane. FWIW, I was one of the few that was willing to pay so that he could make the site better. To his credit, he went with the board concensus and decided against the pay-per features.

At last, I'm close to selling my lot in CCME. My bro-in-law is going to buy it! I'll be happy to have that bill off of my hands. It would have been another 15 years before I built on it... didn't make sense to pay club fees, water rights, and taxes for nothing!

[baja]

if you you're going to talk crap about the http://thesouthstands.com at least provide a link...sheesh!

that's http://thesouthstands.com at http://thesouthstands.com.

Nnyah! Ha!

See most BB owners would delete this link but not TJ...

How they hanging BM?? ;D

[zdoor]

WOW... I somehow feel cheap for sitting back watching and LMAO as this thread unfolded.:wave:

[Taco John]

Thanks Baja... I know people appreciate me, and am greatful for it. I'm not trying to turn this into a "Pat TJ on the back" session. I'm just trying to address the point that sometimes you just have to shrug when people don't like you. It goes for this board, and it goes for life. I could get wrapped up in a flame war with folks on other sites about their criticisms of me, or I can focus on what people here care about and address that. I could get wrapped up when Alec goes off on one of his usual woe-is-he for having to suffer everybody else's stupidity, or I can ignore it and consider the source.

A lesson I've learned in life: what you resist, persists. If someone criticizes you, and you feel the need to explain yourself for hours on hours resisting the criticism, all you're going to do is reinforce the idea in the process. But if you accept the criticism and take it for what it's worth, life gets a lot easier.

[baja]

Taco, I want to tell you you haven't given me my 10k cookie yet! :TJnPopps:

Get your ass back out in that hot sun and write those reports you trouble making slacker.

[Taco John]

if you you're going to talk crap about the http://thesouthstands.com at least provide a link...sheesh!

that's http://thesouthstands.com at http://thesouthstands.com.

Nnyah! Ha!


:rofl:

[Meck77]

I told Lynch about this situation this morning. This was his response. :)

[bronco militia]

See most BB owners would delete this link but not TJ...

How they hanging BM?? ;D

just fine baja.....Patch finally showed up after KCnative ran him off about 6 months ago...it's probably about that time of year you drop in and tell him to **** off again

;D

[Taco John]

To his credit, he went with the board concensus and decided against the pay-per features.


Actually, just to be clear... You got it wrong here. The board consensus was that folks would accept some sort of support format. It's still on the table. I was just looking for ideas at the time, and wanted to get some thoughts.

[Broncoman13]

Oskie, you need to read dude. You don't know what you're talking about, don't know why this was started and are already defending it in spite of your ignorance.

I didn't poo-poo other reports, I poo-pooed one person who was making stuff up. I was warning people that a source was bad and wasn't posting facts. I didn't attack him for thinking Foxworth is better than Baile or some other such subjective opinion. I laid into him because he was MAKING STUFF UP!

I think the guy is a Bronco fan and just wanted to get people excited. If you read it, it reads like what someone wishes the camp would go like; Tatum Bell is going to be amazing and humble, Champ beats everybody except Rod (This shows Rod is still great but Champ is great too), Champ gets a ton of interceptions all the time, Javon is working his way back, etc. It reads like someone who's read the news and is guessing what it's like. None of the FACTS jive with what this guy is saying.

I didn't say "only my reports are good." I didn't ask people to stop posting other reports. I didn't say Broncomania or some other site is bad. I just said this report on this site is totally bogus and people should not listen to it's author.

Jeez. :oyvey:

Yet this was your comment: I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.

Perhaps it was, as TJ said, a poor choice of words. But you are referring to more than one person or report with this sentence.

[Mile High Shack]

I don't get what the whole mess was all about on this thread

kaylore reported some inconsistancies from another fans posting on football guys.......and kaylore was right

Kaylore isn't fullproof however, he reported last year how good our dline looked in training camp, and...well...we know how that worked out ;)

[alkemical]

Now opinions are facts?

I didn't bring up facts once.


This should be fricken framed.

[Rascal]

What the hell is up with your name josh?

LOL!!!

[Steve Sewell]

I think we need some OSKIE Karma for this thread. Or you bitches just need to hug it out...

When the actual season rolls around, we won't see these type of threads very often (fingers crossed, knock on wood, holding breath)

[alkemical]

you can check my news thread - i won't hijack this one.

[Broncoman13]

Thanks Baja... I know people appreciate me, and am greatful for it. I'm not trying to turn this into a "Pat TJ on the back" session. I'm just trying to address the point that sometimes you just have to shrug when people don't like you. It goes for this board, and it goes for life. I could get wrapped up in a flame war with folks on other sites about their criticisms of me, or I can focus on what people here care about and address that. I could get wrapped up when Alec goes off on one of his usual woe-is-he for having to suffer everybody else's stupidity, or I can ignore it and consider the source.

A lesson I've learned in life: what you resist, persists. If someone criticizes you, and you feel the need to explain yourself for hours on hours resisting the criticism, all you're going to do is reinforce the idea in the process. But if you accept the criticism and take it for what it's worth, life gets a lot easier.


Then riddle me this, why are we actively recruiting more traffic on this site when we know it causes problems such as slow downs or lock ups? Right now it takes 10x longer to post a single message, if you can get through. I'm all for pimping the Orangemane as the best Broncos/football forum on the net. I do that regularly. But at this time, is it the best for our community?

[alkemical]

Oh yeah, you want to know why http://thesouthstands.com thinks we are the cats meow.

It's because at the http://thesouthstands.com - we thrive on vulgarity - at http://thesouthstands.com - we offer real mother****ing talk.

http://thesouthstands.com - is the only place where you can hear live confessions from a tazer happy cop - the mystery of the 'small bass' - and other legends and lore presented by our resident master baiters.

Good stuff is at http://thesouthstands.com

;)

[Meck77]

The online tailgate and the tailgates mirror one another. They really do. Most omaners contribute on the website and then there are those that simply demand things of the Mane/Taco.

On the tailgate end most contribute -Help prepare/setup, Help cook, Bring food, Bring beer, Bring donations, and then there are those that show up and say "Meck where is the beer, I need this I need that, I need to shiat on your bus/Get me a ticket" and they simply walk away leaving their mess and they brought nothing to the table.

My philosophy is real simple. You can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. You can't have it both ways.

Bottom line. There is no "How to manual to run a messageboard or run a tailgate for a membership base of 5,000 members". If someone has it could you send me a copy?

I also run a messageboard much smaller than this one and it can be a real pain in the ass so I can speak from both ends on this subject.

[Broncoman13]

I don't get what the whole mess was all about on this thread

kaylore reported some inconsistancies from another fans posting on football guys.......and kaylore was right

Kaylore isn't fullproof however, he reported last year how good our dline looked in training camp, and...well...we know how that worked out ;)


My beef with this thread:

I also don't appreciate guys who insert conflicting reports because it makes it harder for people to know what to believe.

I took this to mean that Khan didn't want other people posting any other reports from other sites. Being that I've posted some from FGT I took it personally b/c I think we are entitled to post Broncos news on the Mane.

Secondly, I think it's crap that we have to either wait around b/c of tons of newB's or not have access to the Mane at all. Why, b/c Khan want's everybody to come to the Mane to read his reports, as opposed to them pasting them on their own site. A bye-product of this is that it makes us look like jack-asses/pricks. Our displaced message board personalities ended up on several different sites here recently as the mane was down. Some of those sites created forums for the Mane refugees. So, they were supportive of us, but then a week later we're telling them to Pack Sand, if they want to read what's going on at Training Camp, they have to come over to the Mane b/c we won't accomodate to their site showing the info. It's childish and I'm glad to see that several sites are posting the info anyhow... only to be yelled at and cursed/ear wormed by Khan! :D lol



Anyhow, I guess I misunderstood Khan's posts at the beginning. I took them like Mock did and judging by the emails and Reps, I wasn't the only one. As one person stated, it's scary to think that he was the voice of reason!

[shakenbake]

Then riddle me this, why are we actively recruiting more traffic on this site when we know it causes problems such as slow downs or lock ups? Right now it takes 10x longer to post a single message, if you can get through. I'm all for pimping the Orangemane as the best Broncos/football forum on the net. I do that regularly. But at this time, is it the best for our community?


Wow, its an open forum get a grip. Who cares if some new guys show up and want to talk football. Its kinda nice to get some new characters and opinions every once in ahwile. Besides aren't you a Bears fan ?

[Requiem]

The forum isn't slow for me, and if it's slow for other people -- stop bitching, get better internet service and perhaps donate to TJ so he can upgrade the server package. THANKS.

[Broncoman13]

Wow, its an open forum get a grip. Who cares if some new guys show up and want to talk football. Its kinda nice to get some new characters and opinions every once in ahwile. Besides aren't you a Bears fan ?


Bears fan? Yes... just like you're an Aggie Loving A&M fan!

Take a minute to read dumbshiat. I don't mind the newbies, I mind losing the ability to post or read what here on the Mane. When the Mane goes down and you have to run off to a different site and then come back a week later, crying about missing your "home" you'd think you would understand why!

Bears Fan... I can't believe I even wasted time with you.

[Broncoman13]

The forum isn't slow for me, and if it's slow for other people -- stop b****ing, get better internet service and perhaps donate to TJ so he can upgrade the server package. THANKS.


How about we just thank you for running Wabbit off instead?

[shakenbake]

Bears fan? Yes... just like you're an Aggie Loving A&M fan!

Take a minute to read dumbshiat. I don't mind the newbies, I mind losing the ability to post or read what here on the Mane. When the Mane goes down and you have to run off to a different site and then come back a week later, crying about missing your "home" you'd think you would understand why!

Bears Fan... I can't believe I even wasted time with you.

Ohh that wasn't you that said you were done being a Broncos fan a few years back and signed your allegence to the Bears....My bad.

[Meck77]

B I mind losing the ability to post or read what here on the Mane. When the Mane goes down and you have to run off to a different site and then come back a week later, crying about missing your "home" you'd think you would understand why!
.

So you've been posting here since 2001. Why not send in some back payment. $50.00 yr @ 6 years= $300 due. That will make a nice dent in the server bills. Or you can complain about it. If I'm wrong and you paid your fare share around here please disregard my post.

Did you see my quote a few posts ago about being part of the solution or part of the problem?

[Requiem]

I don't see what's so wrong about Orange Mane members going to other sites to post when the Mane is down. Guys like to talk football, and if they can't do it here, I see no problem with them going elsewhere. Heck, them going over to Broncomania has already spurred a few new members I know over on 'Mania to come over here and post. I think that's good.

Also, about the people on Broncomania. They're very thankful for the reports that are posted here. I relay the message to them over here, but I know that there are some people who have registered over here just to get that info.

I think it's great that new members are coming. Hell. . . I've made some good friends since I've been here and it seems like people appreciate what I have to say most of the time.

[Requiem]

How about we just thank you for running Wabbit off instead?
I wasn't aware that I'm the reason Wabbit doesn't post on the site much anymore. . . interesting though -- I don't know what I could have done to do that. . . in fact -- Wabbit and I had a few PM messages going back and forth, and there wasn't any bad blood between us.

He and I happened to hear different things in regards to the draft and off-season, he liked what I had to report and I like what he had too.

Not seeing how I ran him off at all.

[Broncoman13]

First off, you're thinking of the Lions. Second off, signing alligence and saying I might as well root for the Lions is two different things. Finally, you sound like a pissant trying to bring up something from three years ago. Get some real meat on me and then come back. I could easily sit here and call you a Tea Sippin Band Wagon Fan, but I don't b/c it's doesn't have anything to do with the conversation.

[Requiem]

Haha. . . but stating I ran Wabbit off the Mane had something to do with this thread? Weird.

[Broncoman13]

So you've been posting here since 2001. Why not send in some back payment. $50.00 yr @ 6 years= $300 due. That will make a nice dent in the server bills. Or you can complain about it.

Did you see my quote a few posts ago about being part of the solution or part of the problem?


Meck, I've told TJ in the past that if he wants to make this a pay per site I'd gladly join. btw, you have no idea what I've donated to this site. You surely don't have a clue what I donated to the Katrina Vics on behalf of this site. I can appreciate your comments, but you really don't know what you're talking about right now.

[baja]

Geez I feel like i've joined the Girl Scouts.

[shakenbake]

First off, you're thinking of the Lions. Second off, signing alligence and saying I might as well root for the Lions is two different things. Finally, you sound like a pissant trying to bring up something from three years ago. Get some real meat on me and then come back. I could easily sit here and call you a Tea Sippin Band Wagon Fan, but I don't b/c it's doesn't have anything to do with the conversation.

Ban wagon fan ? hmm thats pretty interesting. Come on some has got to have that quote from Oskie. It was pricless someone put in thier sig. I guess a ban wangon fan would be one who would cheer for thier team when they were doing good and not when things were going bad. Kinda like you when you said you were done with the Broncos and gonna be a bears or lions fan.

[Broncoman13]

I don't see what's so wrong about Orange Mane members going to other sites to post when the Mane is down. Guys like to talk football, and if they can't do it here, I see no problem with them going elsewhere. Heck, them going over to Broncomania has already spurred a few new members I know over on 'Mania to come over here and post. I think that's good.

Also, about the people on Broncomania. They're very thankful for the reports that are posted here. I relay the message to them over here, but I know that there are some people who have registered over here just to get that info.

I think it's great that new members are coming. Hell. . . I've made some good friends since I've been here and it seems like people appreciate what I have to say most of the time.


You're closer than you realize to getting it. I love talking football. Especially to another Broncos fan. Again, my comments have nothing to do with newbie's or their takes. It has to do with slowing the Mane. Also, you must realize that being a fan of football in general and taking close tabs on the draft and such, that sharing that info is part of the fun. You taking the reports over to Broncomania should be a no brainer. "Hey guys, this is from Khan over on the OrangeMane.com.........." I'm sure they can appreciate his reports as much as the next fan. Why road block that? So that we can say he belongs to the Orangemane... that's pretty much a given. We look cheap and petty.

[Broncoman13]

Ban wagon fan ? hmm thats pretty interesting. Come on some has got to have that quote from Oskie. It was pricless someone put in thier sig. I guess a ban wangon fan would be one who would cheer for thier team when they were doing good and not when things were going bad. Kinda like you when you said you were done with the Broncos and gonna be a bears or lions fan.


Pretty chicken shiat, but I guess that should be expected from a sipper. I'm done with your childish game.

[Meck77]

ok ok....Everbody needs to chill. Even more horse had to the other day. Before anyone goes out and calls PETA on me he's a several thousand pound horse and likes a sip of cold beer about once a month. He can handle it. Yeah I know I sorta look the horse in the last pic. There ya go RR plenty of Meck smak Ammo!

http://www.orangeforceone.com/Horse%20Fun-Pages/Image0.html

[Meck77]

ok ok....Everbody needs to chill. I even had to get my horse to chill the other day. Before anyone goes out and calls PETA on me he's a several thousand pound horse and likes a sip of cold beer about once a month. He can handle it. Yeah I know I sorta look the horse in the last pic. There ya go RR plenty of Meck smak Ammo!

Keep in mind it's been about 100 degrees everyday the last several days. Even horses need some relief.

http://www.orangeforceone.com/Horse%20Fun-Pages/Image0.html

[Requiem]

Haha, Meck that's awesome. Every horsie needs a brewskie, eh? :D

[JCMElway]

You can't look past that to the joy of being able to talk Broncos football with people who you can relate to? You can't see the humor in Bob's tripe? Do they get you that worked up Alec?

If you don't like the place, take your ass on down the road to another forum, Alec.

Amen, Brother.

[elsid13]

Geez I feel like i've joined the Girl Scouts.

At least we could get some cookies, if this was the girl scouts.

[Broncoman13]

ok ok....Everbody needs to chill. Even more horse had to the other day. Before anyone goes out and calls PETA on me he's a several thousand pound horse and likes a sip of cold beer about once a month. He can handle it. Yeah I know I sorta look the horse in the last pic. There ya go RR plenty of Meck smak Ammo!

http://www.orangeforceone.com/Horse%20Fun-Pages/Image0.html


Funny

[JCMElway]

So we go down for a week here on the Mane, other boards welcome our members during the down time... some even set aside special forums for the Mane Refugees, and we thank them like this... and you don't give a shiat? Nice. New found respect for you TJ. Wish you the best.

What the hell ever Oskie. We are not disrespecting other boards. We're not even telling people not to post the stuff elsewhere. Just "get permission" so that when it is posted, Kaylore, Med, and Socal, and the Mane, get the credit they deserve.

No one is making a red cent of this deal, so the least we can do is give them their due recognition.

[Requiem]

Amen. . . JCM.