Khan and Socal's Camp Report PM 7/29

[Kaylore]

Thought I'd get a thread going...report on it's way.

[orange crusher]

We ready!

[12th man]

Sweet!!!!

[shakenbake]

Thought I'd get a thread going...report on it's way.

You dirty little tease.

[NCSTBronco]

Tease indeed

[Ballhawk]

Any way to auto refresh this thread :)

[Kaylore]

Ok say I got to spend the afternoon with Meck, No1broncos fan, and SoCal Bronco again. Really good time and it was a good time had in the shade. They spent more time on position drills, and then did some 7 on 7 and scrimmaging again. I'll say this, with the verteran defenders one one-a-days (Al Wilson, Bailey, Lynch, Gold, Courtney Brown) our defense looks very mediocre. Obviously you take away that many star players and it's to be expected.

The good news is that the rushing attack drastically improved today. So I'll start with running backs. SoCal and I aren't real thrilled with how the backfield is looking right now. The supposed starters aren't wowing me.

Tatum Bell: Got hardly any reps and was on the sideline mostly. I think whoever posted that he was "ripping huge gains" is total liar because he seems to not be getting the carries and when he does get them he looks very average.

Ron Dayne: He had some better runs today but isn't very explosive and doesn't do a lot to make a guy miss or bowl a guy over. He did better at finding the holes this time, however.

Cedric Cobbs: His only real reps were on passing plays. Nothing to review since he hardly practiced.

Mike Bell: Mike Bell looked pretty good today. He exploded through the holes and was making guys miss in space which was the first I'd seen of that in some time. He can truck too. He's a big guy but showed better speed than I expected.

Marty Johnson: Ok this is my dark horse guy. He's the best at cutting back and plays with a lot of intensity. A good balance of speed, power and desire. I really like the kid. Hits the holes pretty well too. He was doing well and then he broke my heart and went and fumbled. Other than that he was pretty good.

Next: QB's and coverage packages

[Kaylore]

You dirty little tease.
:wiggle:

[LordHelmchen]

Bring it on Khan... :notworthy

[Ballhawk]

Maybe we do need to step up and make a real offer to Chicago for Jones. I think we are really three players from being dominate: Stud RB, Stud DT and Elite blocking TE. Some may want a DE, but I think having a tandem of DTs comparable to Jax would make average DEs effective.

Thanks for the reports Khan and Socal

[SoCalBronco]

Ok, back in the hotel.

General Thoughts

Khan is hilarious. Towards the end of practice, he saw Champ and Lynch hanging around (most of the vets did not practice in the PM session) and he shouted out "Hey Lynch...you guys rule...your wife is hot". It was great. I noticed that in Champ's absence, D-Will was paired with Fox at the top, so perhaps the DPO article earlier that suggested that Paymah had moved ahead of Fox was inaccurate (or maybe Coyer just liked that grouping today). Paymah and Roc Alexander were on the second team.

STUDS

1. David Kircus- This former Detroit Lion was impressive catching the ball this afternoon. He had the two big grabs of the afternoon. Plummer put up a deep ball along the sideline and despite good coverage from Nique, Kircus went up and hauled it in to the roar of the crowd. Later, toward the end of practice, Kircus was matched up against Shoate and exploded vertically forcing Shoate to retreat. Once he retreated, Kircus cut under him and to the deep post for a great grab. He was consistent catching the ball in the short game as well. He's certainly challenging for a spot. He's probably at No. 4 or No. 5 right now, jockeying with Darius for the higher of the two spots. The only drop David had was when BVP overthrew him and tried to lay him out on a slant.

2. Mike Bell- I am pleased to report that the backs looked more decisive and were more impressive in their runs in the afternoon. The Arizona rookie cut on a dime several times and did a GREAT job evading defenders and juking. He had two or three really nice runs, darting around people and then accelerating with a nice burst.

3. The Rookies- The "Big Three" were consistent in the afternoon. Scheffler caught some nice balls. And then in the 1 on 1 drill, he did a nice job of beating DJ on a corner route. This kid should help us this year in a substantial role. Cutler had a good afternoon. He did have a couple incompletions and wasnt as good as in the morning but he showed good accuracy and a nice arm again. He was consistent generally. The thing that I really liked from him this afternoon was his pocket presence. There was one play in particular that Khan and I really liked. The pocket was collapsing around him and he could just feel the defensive end on his blind side coming for him...he deftly stepped up and evaded the guy throwing to a TE in the flat. He showed some nice elusiveness. Marshall was again very good. He got quite a few reps and did a good job on our corners. They finally threw him a deep ball but Plummer threw it out of bounds so we couldnt really see how that aspect of his game was.

4. D-Will- He made some plays today. By my count, D-Will had 3 deflections on passes and was pretty aggressive. I saw him right in the WRs face at the line.

OKAY

1. Dayne- He was markedly better this afternoon. He was much more decisive in his runs and his cuts. He wasnt running into the pile as he was in the morning. Ron made some nice progress.

2. Plummer- He had some incompletions in the afternoon but was still solid on the whole. He had one play though where he threw somewhat of a duck to Nate Jackson which allowed several defenders to get there and swat it away.

[Kaylore]

So they ran some variations of the 4-4 today with a safety playing kind of deep in the middle of the field. It was the first non 4-3 package I'd seen. Everything else was a base defense with some nickle packages. I saw some good things out of all the offense today, so let's get right to it.

Jay Cutler: Looked sharp. The guy gets significantly better from practice to practice. He had one error where he thought the receiver was going to run a comeback and he was running a post and the ball hit the dirt with nobody around. Probably would have been a grounding call. Just mental error. The rest of the time his throws were on time and had some zip on them. My favorite was watching him side step a defensive lineman and step into the pocket to complete a nice catch. Great pocket awareness and looked light on his feet.

Jake: Did ok. His deep ball needed some work. He had some guys open but they were having trouble connecting. (Go ahead, Taco). He did a good job of attacking the zone but seemed to struggle more in man coverage. He threw one into double coverage but David Kircus made a sweet grab by jumping toward the ball kind of into the two defenders and made the catch. It was a great grab.

Bradlee Van Pelt: Was ok. He didn't make any errors but still seems to be playing to not make a mistake. Lots of underneath stuff and didn't make many throws to attack the coverage. He had one pass to Charlie Adams that Adams dropped but he would have been laid out by the safety if it was a real game. He was leading him right into the defender. That was the only real interesting play he ran.

Preston Parsons: He got a ton of reps at the end of practice for some reason. Had an interception that Louis Green took to the house. Some off-kilter throws and nothing real exciting.

Next: Receivers (including tight ends)

[ludo21]

Who in your opinion is ahead, Nate or Sheffler?

Im loving my boy out of AZ, go BELLL!!!!!

These camp reports have me nervous, yet excited that we could have yet another dark horse RB.

[Ballhawk]

Who in your opinion is ahead, Nate or Sheffler?

Im loving my boy out of AZ, go BELLL!!!!!

These camp reports have me nervous, yet excited that we could have yet another dark horse RB.

I also like Bell as a darkhorse. The kid has a nice mix of power/burst, not great top speed but good enough. I really want a guy that gets positive yards consistantly.

[12th man]

Who in your opinion is ahead, Nate or Sheffler?

Im loving my boy out of AZ, go BELLL!!!!!

These camp reports have me nervous, yet excited that we could have yet another dark horse RB.
Me too. It's kind of sad that bell or dayne is not doing anything yet, But it's also comforting to know Mike Bell is doing ok and Kahn likes that Marty Johnson guy. I think our running game will still be fine this year. It's never a problem. IM just a little suprised it hasn't clicked yet. But it's still early so.....

[SoCalBronco]

3. Watts- Darius had a good afternoon. He caught some quick hitches and a few other routes. His hands looked good to me, although he wasnt thrown a whole lot of passes.

4. Pass Rush- It was a little better this afternoon. They got to the QB a few times. There was a play where they broke threw and it looked like Cutler threw it to no one in particular, although Darius was somewhat nearby.

DUDS

1. Charlie Adams- Several drops. Played uninspired. He has got to be feeling the heat from Kircus and Marshall. Did not impress with his hands in the afternoon.

2. BVP- This guy keeps laying his teammates out to dry. The slants are always high and a little too ahead of his recievers and some of his other throws are not on the mark. He did a decent job checking down but overall I am not impressed. Cutler does not know the system as well as him but he is still far superior to BVP.

3. Cobbs- I don't know what his deal is. Some of the other backs were able to play better this afternoon but Cobbs still had problems. Stuffed at the line or unable to beat guys to the corner, he doesnt look like he has good balance either.


Some other thoughts: Louis Green got a pick late in practice off of 4th string QB Preston Parsons. That was the only pick of the day. In all it was a good day. I want to try and focus more on the two lines tomorrow.

[Hulamau]

Great work SoCal and Khan-man!

I've been high on David Kircus since we got him. Makes a mean Subway sandwich too!

And Mike Bell is my Dark horse at RB He has the desire to excel and the size to hold up.

[Kaylore]

Receiverss.

David Kircus: As Socal already pointed out, he's been impressive. Hasn't hd any drops and has made some athletic "Kircus" catches. He can return punts and kick offs which is a plus. He's certainly making his case to be on the team.

Charlie Adams: Had a couple more drops and looked pretty bad today. I'm affraid to criticize him because I didn't care for him last year and he was our number three, but I just don't see much out of the guy. He was kind of sloppy in routes has trouble getting sepperated.

Brandon Marshall: Has been having a stellar camp. Gets open consitantly and catches the ball consistantly. Expect big things out of this kid. He's the large physical type of receiver we've been craving. Pretty agressive in the run game too. The deep ball that Plummer had trouble connecting on was to Marshall who had pulled away from his guy.

Tony Scheffler: The guy is great. His hands are fantastic. Had some good catches and the linebackers have trouble staying with him. Plucks the ball out of the air and catches with his hands every time.

Nate Jackson: Looked good and also has good hands. Nate has little more burst and quickness than Scheffler does but he isn't as physically imposing. He also tends to body catch more but you can tell he isn't thinking as much when he plays that helps your agressiveness. I'd say between the two, they're even but as scheffler learns the offense he'll start pulling away.

Mike Leach: He had some drops. I thought he caught better last camp. He also looks like he's gained weight no doubt at request of Shanahan to compensate for our lack of blocking tight ends. His weight has affected his ability to move around and so he lumbers a bit more. Still good depth and decent performance for a long snapper.

David Terrell: He had a drop and his route running wasn't as crisp. One thing I want to mention is that afternoon practices tend to be sloppier because everyone is tired and so there isn't the "pop" in the players that you see in the morning. That's just training camp, though.

Brian Clark: He had a couple of decent grabs. He runs a consistant pace and keeps the right shoulder to the ball. Did a nice job trying to shield his defender from the play.

Next: Defensive Backs.

[Moon§hiner]

Is David Terrell not getting many reps?

[Hulamau]

Maybe we can send Adams with Lelie in a two for one deal someone might bite on.

I think Adams extended beyond his talent level last year to get the #3 spot, but just doesnt have the consistent mojo to take it up a notch.

[elsid13]

Maybe we can send Adams with Lelie in a two for one deal someone might bite on.

Might as well make it Terrel, Adams and Lelie

[Kaylore]

Forgot about Watts - I think he's a little dinged up. He's not as explosive and he didn't get a lot of balls thrown his way. He did catch everyone, however. That's three practices without any drops.

[SoCalBronco]

Some other thoughts continued:

Brian Clark, the undrafted WR out of NC State made some catches and seemed to help his stock...David Terrell was a mixed bag, he dropped two balls but caught some others, he did not really stand out in any way though, I think he is definitely behind Marshall, Watts and now possibly Kircus....I didnt see much of Sapp out there, maybe he was in at FB, but I thought Shanny said he would also compete at RB, guess not....Roc got toasted a few times but only once was it bad....DJ had a good day I thought although he was quiet for the most part, there was a play where he showed terrific closing speed, he was on one side of the field dropping in a zone and then when the QB dumped it off on the other side, he was the first to get there, he also had what would have been a sack in a game on a blitz, he still gets beat occasionally in the passing game, Scheffler beat him on a corner and in the 1 on 1 passing drills, Tatum caught a ball on him on a crossing route...Coyer practiced on zone coverages ALOT today, I didnt see many pattern read coverages or man coverages. They really worked the zones hard.

[Hulamau]

Thats my biggest fear with Watts, his durablity. I just dont see him holding up to 16 games of NFL action year in and year out. Hope he can pull it off!

[Kaylore]

The defensive backs are doing well and I'm happy with our depth. The position I'm the most happy with is safety. The position is deep with some quality guys like Hamza Abdullah, and Curome Cox. Nick Ferguson is funny becuase he talks to everybody. He and Nate Jackson had a chuckle on the field.

Don't buy the hype that Paymah is the number three guy. It's still Foxworth and D-wil. D-wil plays agressive and has great ball awareness. He's the nuber two hands down. I'm actually concerned about the depth after Foxworth because it's a significant drop-off in quality. Shoate isn't that great. Paymah isn't that great. Rogers is so-so. Lots of ho-hum guys. Granted, they are fourth and fifthe string, but you at least want to see potential there.

Louis Green had a pick and is a player that fits our system nicely. He has good speed and closes on the ball well.

Nate Webster was kind of quiet today. I'll admit that the angle I was at didn't get me a great view of the linebackers, though. Mediator will be the answer to all your defensive needs when arrives tomorrow. EDIT: Ok the reason I missed him today is because he didn't play. I guess since he was injured he's on one-a-days like the others.

Specialists next -

[Ballhawk]

You know one of our cast off WRs will end up in Oak or KC. Kircus may be playing Hixon to the IR. Looking like Rod/Walker start Watts/Marshall splitting #3 WR duties depending on situation and Kircus #5/Returner. That would leave 4 guys playing for 1 spot.

[Orange_Beard]

You rule, Made my day.

[Kaylore]

We're going to miss Todd Sauerbrun. We're really going to miss him. We watched him punt today and it was amazing. Some real sky rockets.

Knorr: They actually spent time working with Michah on his fundamentals which I think could make him a bit more respectable. The catch of the snap to the release was a point of emphasis and it helped him but some better spin on the ball. He still kicks without a lot of hang time, though.

Ernster: He had some nice ones but the ball would be kind of ugly at times. getting a good spin on the ball is critical in forcing it to bounce a certain way. I hope he can beat out Knorr because his kick power is greater.

Kircus: He has the ability to return and the quickness to be a threat doing it. Great speed and cut back ability. He kind of reminds me of a Tim Dwight style guy except not quite as fast.

D-Wil: He's still the best return guy. You can see how much he wants it when he's out there.

Charlie Adams: Let me put it this way. Meck said that he could catch Charlie Adams if he was out there "with a belly of 12 beers!". Not that amazing.

Roc Alexander: I forgot to mention him in D-backs so I'll do so here. He is actually pretty quick and not too bad in returns. Does a good job trying to set up his blocks and cut back the other way. As a defender he plays very physical and likes to hit which is admirable but his ball skills leave something to be desired.

Ok, I think that's it. i'll answer any questions as will SoCal, no doubt.

These reports are the property of SoCal Bronco, Kaylore and the Orangemane.com and are not to be re-posted without permission. :haw!:

[Mediator12]

Kaylore,

Remember Paymah is zone Challenged ;D This is going to be some really good work for him in this camp. He really needs to get his area under control and make sure his depth is correct.

I am Happy to hear that Cox and Abdullah are doing well. Both are exceptional athletes with a lot of heart and Desire to play. Both are well rounded solid tacklers as well.

Thanks Fellas, see you next pm :thumbsup:

[SoCalBronco]

I really, really, really like the trio of Cutler-Scheffler-Marshall. These guys were consistently good the whole day. They are easily the story of the day. Mike Bell is getting better too.

I think we brought in a fine haul in the draft this year. Cutler is going to be scary. Bob will be hiding under the covers every night in fear from September to February in a year or so (this is not to say he doesnt hide under the covers or doesnt have a night light now, but he definitely will very soon with this group if they keep it up, its just a matter of keeping it up day after day.)

Bob, you will learn to hate this triumvirate. You will definitely learn to hate them. A new generation of "Donks" will torture your fat ass.

[Ballhawk]

I really, really, really like the trio of Cutler-Scheffler-Marshall. These guys were consistently good the whole day. They are easily the story of the day. Mike Bell is getting better too.

I think we brought in a fine haul in the draft this year. Cutler is going to be scary. Bob will be hiding under the covers every night in fear from September to February in a year or so (this is not to say he doesnt hide under the covers or doesnt have a night light now, but he definitely will very soon with this group if they keep it up, its just a matter of keeping it up day after day.

Bob, you will learn to hate this triumvirate. You will definitely learn to hate them. A new generation of "Donks" will torture your fat ass.

Socal, I know your mind is already spinning with the 2007 draft. If Cutler/Marshall/Schef all keep improving, then with Walker we look pretty set on O for the future (with the Oline being completely restocked this year IMO). That really only leaves a stud RB and a blocking TE to have a top O. So do you think RB is going to be the #1 need next year come draft time, or do you see a bigger need out there?

[(Jae)]

D-Wil: He's still the best return guy. You can see how much he wants it when he's out there.



I want him playing special teams as much as I want Bailey playing WR too.

Count me in as one of those that say that Pittsburgh game would have been somewhat different if he was healthy.

[Mediator12]

Socal, I know your mind is already spinning with the 2007 draft. If Cutler/Marshall/Schef all keep improving, then with Walker we look pretty set on O for the future (with the Oline being completely restocked this year IMO). That really only leaves a stud RB and a blocking TE to have a top O. So do you think RB is going to be the #1 need next year come draft time, or do you see a bigger need out there?


DE, then DT, Then DE, then RB ;D

[SoCalBronco]

Socal, I know your mind is already spinning with the 2007 draft. If Cutler/Marshall/Schef all keep improving, then with Walker we look pretty set on O for the future (with the Oline being completely restocked this year IMO). That really only leaves a stud RB and a blocking TE to have a top O. So do you think RB is going to be the #1 need next year come draft time, or do you see a bigger need out there?

Well, IF Marshall and Scheffler continue to play like the way they did today the rest of camp and in the season, than I think our needs are RB/DE/S. The safeties did well today but both are over thirty and we really dont have even a single promising young prospect at the position. We REALLY need a stud RB. And I suspect that after this season we will all be yelling for a stud DE AGAIN. I really want Michael Bush from Louisville to pound it for us if we can get him.

[Kaylore]

Well, IF Marshall and Scheffler continue to play like the way they did today the rest of camp and in the season, than I think our needs are RB/DE/S. The safeties did well today but both are over thirty and we really dont have even a single promising young prospect at the position. We REALLY need a stud RB. And I suspect that after this season we will all be yelling for a stud DE AGAIN. I really want Michael Bush from Louisville to pound it for us if we can get him. Bush won't fall to 32 unless he's injured, dude.

[12th man]

WTF is up with the running game? are we doing bad because of a great run D? IM just getting concerned.

Was our running game doing the same thing at this time last year? Because if we sucked at running the ball in camp last year, then it just means we have a great D, and we will still be able to run on other teams.

[Hulamau]

I want him playing special teams as much as I want Bailey playing WR too.

Count me in as one of those that say that Pittsburgh game would have been somewhat different if he was healthy.


Welcome to the Mane Jae!

[Kaylore]

WTF is up with the running game? are we doing bad because of a great run D? IM just getting concerned.

Was our running game doing the same thing at this time last year? Because if we sucked at running the ball in camp last year, then it just means we have a great D, and we will still be able to run on other teams.
The running game was actually good today. The running backs were average. The scrubs at the bottom were more impressive than the hot shots at the top and to me that's how it's been all weekend.

[Hulamau]

Bush won't fall to 32 unless he's injured, dude.


Like your thinkin' there K

[FloridaResident]

this thread is worthless without pics

[Hulamau]

WTF is up with the running game? are we doing bad because of a great run D? IM just getting concerned.

Was our running game doing the same thing at this time last year? Because if we sucked at running the ball in camp last year, then it just means we have a great D, and we will still be able to run on other teams.


Relax 12th man, it WILL improve one or two of these guys will step it up as teh Oline and the backs get in gear. They always suck compared to the D the first week.

I wouldnt be surprised though for a Mike Bell or Marty J to pull what TD did in 1995 and come out of nowhere during camp and steal the show.

[Hulamau]

this thread is worthless without pics


Worthess without PIX !!.. come on man let the guys take a breath for crying out loud!

Kaylore and SoCal painted very detailed pictures for us here all day humping it as fast as they can! There will be pix later but this is an OM tradition here so sit back and enjoy!

[(Jae)]

Welcome to the Mane Jae!
Thanks. First time caller, long time listener


The running game was actually good today. The running backs were average. The scrubs at the bottom were more impressive than the hot shots at the top and to me that's how it's been all weekend.

So as of now, who do you give the starting job too?
Who's the front-runner?

[Kaylore]

this thread is worthless without pics
Ok then let's start with everyone's favorite hero, Wrong-said Fred.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/121/fredqz5.jpg

Here's Meck and No1Broncosfan. The last training camp he was at was sixteen years ago. Funny guy, that No1Broncosfan.
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6298/meckno1jh9.jpg

Here's Me, SoCal and No1Broncosfan:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/575/triolz9.jpg

Power unleashed:
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8118/vipjr5.jpg

[Kaylore]

Thanks. First time caller, long time listener




So as of now, who do you give the starting job too?
Well I would try Mike Bell and Marty Johnson on the second team and see how they did. I'm not ready to let them start but maybe send a message to the hot shots and also give the underlings a chance.

[elsid13]

Fred looks like he put on little weight this year. Kaylore get out there let him chase you around, we'll sweat the fat off his old ass.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

guys calm down a litle its early in camp and the D most of the time has a step on the offense.

[Fan In Exile]

Kaylore, how much contact is required to count a RB as down? Is it a little bit, where they would still get one or two more yards, or is it a lot that in a game they would probably be down as well?

[Kaylore]

Kaylore, how much contact is required to count a RB as down? Is it a little bit, where they would still get one or two more yards, or is it a lot that in a game they would probably be down as well?
Not much. It depends on if they are wearing pads or not. They'll just tap the shoulders of the defender if they aren't in pads. If they're pads or even shells, they'll give them a good pop. Nate Webster completely erased Tatum Bell yesterday.

[Fan In Exile]

Thanks, and thanks for the reports really appreciate them.

[watermock]

Well, IF Marshall and Scheffler continue to play like the way they did today the rest of camp and in the season, than I think our needs are RB/DE/S. The safeties did well today but both are over thirty and we really dont have even a single promising young prospect at the position. We REALLY need a stud RB. And I suspect that after this season we will all be yelling for a stud DE AGAIN. I really want Michael Bush from Louisville to pound it for us if we can get him.


I keep pounding this...We don't get hte franchise players, but we just got a decent tackle off the street. This is not uncommon. It's not panic.

I practically did backflips over this draft.

This draft is going to be the best in 30 years. Throw Hixon on the Ir...who cares? Next year we can go for a couple franchise positions maybe....like RB or RDE...

[shakenbake]

Do the starting o-linemen use the same tech. in camp that they use in games. Are they trying to break it back for long gains ?

I would like to see what Mike Bell can do against better comp. Might be a better indicator as to weather the run d is just playing really well or he is playing well.

[cutthemdown]

sorry but these guys i doubt close enough to the action to really know whats going on. I'm sure they are giving accurate perceptions but I wouldn't think it matters much. Besides every hole a running back goes through means a dlineman got blocked so it doesnt matter until you see team play in a real game. Often in 7-7 work the defense knows what plays they are working on. Not much trickery going on.

[SoCalBronco]

Do the starting o-linemen use the same tech. in camp that they use in games. Are they trying to break it back for long gains ?

I would like to see what Mike Bell can do against better comp. Might be a better indicator as to weather the run d is just playing really well or he is playing well.

They looked like the same zone blocking techniques to me, although the plays happen real fast. I still saw the double teams of the defensive tackles and then one of the center/guard going to the second level after they diagnosed the DT going to the playside gap of his teammate.

Same runs we always see. Denver does very little pulling although there were a few sweeps in the afternoon with the WR cracking back on the first defender inside the corner.

[cutthemdown]

no way we cut as brutally vs our own dlineman.

[Meck77]

Charlie Adams: Let me put it this way. Meck said that he could catch Charlie Adams if he was out there "with a belly of 12 beers!". Not that amazing.



I was exagerating a bit. Make it six beers. Adams is definetly sluggish. It's only day two and I stuck my neck out for Watts a couple years ago but so far Kircus is having a solid camp. I'll wait til the end of camp before I trade in my Meck jersey for a Kircus.

Let me put it this way........Line up the Kirc daddy and Adams in the 40 and #87 wins by atleast 3-4 yards from what I saw.

"Kircus the next Eddie Mac"....You heard it here first.;)

BTW..I'm still sticking with Watts......I'm in too deep to give up now.

Mike Bell could run to OF1 way out in the parking lot before Dayne could cross the endzone.

[BigPlayShay]

I have never been super impressed by a running back in a training camp practice, and I have been to a bunch. The defense always seem to have the upper hand, especially in full team drills. QBs and WRs can stand out in 7 on 7 and individual drills. But it has always been the case that the defense out performs the offense, at leaseat every Broncos training camp practice I have seen.

Also, Shanahan said recently that pre-season games are where RBs (and Safeties) can really make an impact and prove thier worth. He has said that they are the hardest positions to evaluate in practice, but good to evaluate in pre-season games.

[BlueCrusher]

Great job guys! Did they do mostly pocket stuff or was there rollouts and bootlegs? I'm curious how the kid does on the staple plays.

[ShutDownPoster]

Thanks fellas!

By the way any Elvis sightings?

[DelBronco]

Thanks guys for taking the time to post the opinions and pics. I was also wondering about Elvis. Have they been moving him around a lot in the nickel like I've been reading from 'experts' like Pasquarelli? If so, is he getting pushed around inside?

[Paladin]

Great stuff, as usual. I am getting stoked reading this stuff, can't wait for the first Exhibition game.

Last year they went to Houston - somewhat of a stupid move, but what the hay - to practice with the Texans before the game. I thought I heard that they will not practice with any other team this year. That right?

It is really too early to make much of a depth chart, but it is neat to be aboe to visualize Sheff and Marshall and Cutler doing their thing. This reporting is better than anything you will fond anywhere. Great job. Thanks much.

[Drunk Monkey]

Thanks for the reports, appreciate the news.

[Pezman]

Great report gents! Wish I was there!

[Jetmeck]

I want him playing special teams as much as I want Bailey playing WR too.

Count me in as one of those that say that Pittsburgh game would have been somewhat different if he was healthy.

:thumbsup:

[Jetmeck]

Maybe we can send Adams with Lelie in a two for one deal someone might bite on.

I think Adams extended beyond his talent level last year to get the #3 spot, but just doesnt have the consistent mojo to take it up a notch.

I think it was more of a lack of talent at the WR position
for the last couple of years. We MAY have turned that corner finally and Charlie Adams probably will be cut this time.

[Kaylore]

Great job guys! Did they do mostly pocket stuff or was there rollouts and bootlegs? I'm curious how the kid does on the staple plays.
It's a good balance of everything: Straight drop backs, PA pass and boots.

[bpc]

I'm still not too worried about the running game. It was the same way last year. Anderson looked tender, Dayne looked tentitive and Bell looked like he had no vision. In all honestly, we won't know what we have until we play in the preseason games. Still... if Chicago wanted to give us Thomas Jones... i wouldn't argue with it! :)

[Hogan11]

Great reports....very much appreciated.

Just a side note, I'm not worried at RB...I understand that it's always taken awhile for Dayne to get up to speed in camp, no big thing.

[Hogan11]

I'm still not too worried about the running game. It was the same way last year. Anderson looked tender, Dayne looked tentitive and Bell looked like he had no vision. In all honestly, we won't know what we have until we play in the preseason games. Still... if Chicago wanted to give us Thomas Jones... i wouldn't argue with it! :)

Ha! How's that for timing bpc?

[Broncoman13]

Anybody see Tyler Everret on the field? I'm curious about him, seeing how we just cut Browner, I figured he would bring something to the table.

[STBumpkin]

How's Hixon doing? Havn't seen anything reported on him, either in receivers or specialtiy guys.

[Al Wilson]

Hey guys, any chance Mike Bell will get the starting job just from what you've seen? I hope he atleast makes the roster, the kid can play.

[SoCalBronco]

I hope Ash finally shows up tomorrow. He's lost 28k. I was hoping that I would see him today. Come on Ash, i am disappointed in you, but you can really help this team. With those other targets, it will open it up for him. I'll wear his jersey that I brought if he shows up this week and rejoins the team.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

SoCal is the last Ashley homer.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal is the last Ashley homer.

Eh, there are still a few of us. But we are all disappointed in his failure to keep things in house and his public attitude, but we still think he can help this team. Actually I think most people believe that. When I saw Cutler today with his gun and Scheffler and Marshall, if we added Ash to stretch the field for these guys, it would really help this team. And in the future he would be real good here with a guy like Cutler. Right now, I would like to see him report. He will accomplish nothing now. He has already lost almost 30K. He can make us even stronger.

[NCSTBronco]

Hixon cant physically participate yet because of his foot

[plummershelper]

These are great reports. It's great to hear from people who are actually there and looking at this camp in order to diagnose the caliber of the players. It seems like a great deal of the media looks at what they see purely on the surface, ie Dayne being a beast on one run when reports here state he was less than spectacular. Long story short, I'm lovin the work here boys. If I were closer than Dallas, I'd buy y'all a round or seven!!

[bilrob]

Anybody see Tyler Everret on the field? I'm curious about him, seeing how we just cut Browner, I figured he would bring something to the table.


Yea! I also would like to know something about the kid from Ohia State.

[orange crusher]

Yea! I also would like to know something about the kid from Ohia State.

Seems that a lot of us are wondering the same thing. I thought that was a good signing but I haven't heard a word about him yet.

[Bronco Billy]

You guys are really getting me fired up for some football, but Englewood is a little too far a commute so I dropped in on everyone's favorite - Brian Griese! :deadhorse


You'll be glad to know that Griese still sucks major ass. Watching him play against the Bears starting D was worth the hour drive! He was off target most of the day and still has a mediocre arm with a long release. In 11-on-11 drills, he threw behind Mark Bradley running a flag route and was picked off. Then he got sacked by the turf-monster a few plays later! Actually, he rolled his left ankle stepping-up in the pocket and fell to the ground. He should be okay and finished the practice. He did have pretty good accuracy on the deep outs and managed to drive down the field in the two-minute drill to put them in FG range, however. Overall, he still sucks.

Fantasy alert:
Do not take Cedric Benson in your fantasy league. He's a crying b--ch! He got laid out by Lance Briggs, slammed the ball down, and got all up in Briggs' face like he wasn't supposed to be tackled. He also coughed up the ball, which was returned for a TD. I'm not sure the Bears' are going to want to get rid of Jones, who was out nursing his hamstring. The Bears D outscored the offense 14-10! If you had to choose between Benson and Heath Evans, definitely pick Evans for your fantasy teams!

[Kaylore]

You know I had a feeling that the Bears were going to suck this year. Early reports don't sound too good.

On another note on Broncos All Access they mentioned that the running back that Shanahan was talking about was Mike Bell. Where's that report of Bell ripping huge gains now, losers? Khan strikes again! !Booya!

[i4jelway7]

I called Mike Bell as the future RB for the Broncos in june

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=42983

Can I get some adpotion papers please?

2 words
Mike Bell-- the future Denver Broncos Rb

[watermock]

I called Mike Bell as the future RB for the Broncos in june

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=42983

Can I get some adpotion papers please?

Just adopt him. I dunno if he's taken. If Cobb has a Cobb up his ass and running like it, Bell will make the team IMO.

[Dukes]

Fantasy alert:
Do not take Cedric Benson in your fantasy league. He's a crying b--ch! He got laid out by Lance Briggs, slammed the ball down, and got all up in Briggs' face like he wasn't supposed to be tackled. !

The first thing I thought of when I read this was the line from Rudy. "Last practice of the season, and this a****** thinks it's the superbowl!" Hilarious!

[SactownOrangeSunday]

Kaylore and SoCal.

Could you guys post what you see in terms of Brandon Marshall's blocking ability. Also I would love some more in depth stuff on Elvis Dumerrville if possible!!! Thanks guys, great work :)

[minibronco]

Really appreciate the reports. Thanks!

[Meck77]

You know I had a feeling that the Bears were going to suck this year. Early reports don't sound too good.

On another note on Broncos All Access they mentioned that the running back that Shanahan was talking about was Mike Bell. Where's that report of Bell ripping huge gains now, losers? Khan strikes again! !Booya!

A blind man would have noticed that Bell stood out.8') You aint' shiat Khan.:poke:;D

I'm sitting out today. 16 hrs in the Dove Valley parking lot/camp has me a little torched. I'll be firing off some pics a little later today.

[Old Dude]

Just a word of thanks for the fantastic reports.

[Cito Pelon]

I hope Ash finally shows up tomorrow. He's lost 28k. I was hoping that I would see him today. Come on Ash, i am disappointed in you, but you can really help this team. With those other targets, it will open it up for him. I'll wear his jersey that I brought if he shows up this week and rejoins the team.

I wish he'd show up too. But at least the other guys are getting reps, getting a chance to practice themselves into/out of the team. I don't know what the devil's going on in Lelie's brain. Nothing new has made its way in, apparently,, just the same stuff bouncing around.

[-Slap-]

Fantasy alert:
Do not take Cedric Benson in your fantasy league. He's a crying b--ch! He got laid out by Lance Briggs, slammed the ball down, and got all up in Briggs' face like he wasn't supposed to be tackled. He also coughed up the ball, which was returned for a TD. I'm not sure the Bears' are going to want to get rid of Jones, who was out nursing his hamstring.

Remember Cedric Benson sobbing like a stressed out teenager on draft day? The Ricky Williams comparisons were just too tough for him to handle.

I've got news for you, Ced, you can't carry Ricky's jock, nor that of Thomas Jones.

I can understand Jones being a little pissed here. He had 1335 rushing yards and nine TDs last year on an offense with no passing game to take pressure off him. Benson hasn't shown jack**** and they've got him first on the depth chart.

[Bronco Billy]

Remember Cedric Benson sobbing like a stressed out teenager on draft day? The Ricky Williams comparisons were just too tough for him to handle.

I've got news for you, Ced, you can't carry Ricky's jock, nor that of Thomas Jones.

I can understand Jones being a little pissed here. He had 1335 rushing yards and nine TDs last year on an offense with no passing game to take pressure off him. Benson hasn't shown jack**** and they've got him first on the depth chart.


I forgot to mention this earlier, but Adrian Peterson, the Bears 3rd-string RB looked pretty sharp. He's 27 yrs. old, listed at 5'10" 210lbs., and averaged 5.1 yds per carry last year in limited action. I noticed the Bears ran a few sweeps with him in the backfield. He cuts back against the grain pretty well and had good vision, even though the Bears blocking scheme isn't set up like ours. He might actually be a good fit with us. He really looks comforatable with making one cut and running downhill. Bonus: the Bears D pride themselves on stopping the run, so he definitely stepped up to the challenge. (Benson looked like Fat Barry Sanders - trying to change directions and runnig all the way to the other sidelines!)

[Clockwork Orange]

Remember Cedric Benson sobbing like a stressed out teenager on draft day? The Ricky Williams comparisons were just too tough for him to handle.

I've got news for you, Ced, you can't carry Ricky's jock, nor that of Thomas Jones.

I can understand Jones being a little pissed here. He had 1335 rushing yards and nine TDs last year on an offense with no passing game to take pressure off him. Benson hasn't shown jack**** and they've got him first on the depth chart.

If Chicago has no problem bumping undeserving players to the top of the depth chart, it sounds like they'd be the perfect landing spot for Lelie.

[Bronco Billy]

Remember Cedric Benson sobbing like a stressed out teenager on draft day? The Ricky Williams comparisons were just too tough for him to handle.

I've got news for you, Ced, you can't carry Ricky's jock, nor that of Thomas Jones.

I can understand Jones being a little pissed here. He had 1335 rushing yards and nine TDs last year on an offense with no passing game to take pressure off him. Benson hasn't shown jack**** and they've got him first on the depth chart.

LOL I forgot about Benson on draft day! I wish I would of rembered that, cuz' I was only about 100 feet from him when he got pissed at Briggs.

T Jones, from what I hear, worked his ass off in the off-season to "earn" the starting spot and came to camp physically stronger than last year.

[-Slap-]

I remember Nuggets4 predicting Benson would bust in the pros before he was even drafted.

[Bronco Billy]

If Chicago has no problem bumping undeserving players to the top of the depth chart, it sounds like they'd be the perfect landing spot for Lelie.

Yeah, next year he could start b--ching about how he should be the #1 receiver over Mushin Muhammed!

[-Slap-]

If Chicago has no problem bumping undeserving players to the top of the depth chart, it sounds like they'd be the perfect landing spot for Lelie.
That's funny. Their offense is so pathetic, Lelie might even earn a starting job there on merit. Bears fans are also used to swishy wide receivers, having endured the likes of Curtis Conway and Willie Gault.

[Clockwork Orange]

That's funny. Their offense is so pathetic, Lelie might even earn a starting job there on merit. Bears fans are also used to swishy wide receivers, having endured the likes of Curtis Conway and Willie Gault.

I'll still remember laughing like a bastard when they drafted Rex Grossman in the first round. I wouldn't touch a QB from the University of Florida in the first two rounds for anything.

[ozomulsion]

I called Mike Bell as the future RB for the Broncos in june

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=42983

Can I get some adpotion papers please?

Tatum will be our starter. Do want to make an avatar bet?

[Bronco Billy]

I'll still remember laughing like a bastard when they drafted Rex Grossman in the first round. I wouldn't touch a QB from the University of Florida in the first two rounds for anything.


Watching my dad, a die-hard Bears fan, year in and year out watching the Bears lose just makes me that more glad I'm a Broncos fan! They always draft busts on offense: Curtis Enis, Rashaad Salaam, Cade McNown, David Terrell, etc. Put Benson on that list soon. Good thing he doesn't like the Cubs too!

[-Slap-]

Watching my dad, a die-hard Bears fan, year in and year out watching the Bears lose just makes me that more glad I'm a Broncos fan! They always draft busts on offense: Curtis Enis, Rashaad Salaam, Cade McNown, David Terrell, etc. Put Benson on that list soon. Good thing he doesn't like the Cubs too!

The Bears obviously decided they can't draft offense anyway, so they just said screw it this year. Only a project WR on that side of the ball in the first five rounds, but a CB and three more athletes for an already loaded front seven.

No. Round Pick Player Name Position College
1 2 10 42 Danieal Manning DB Abilene Christian
2 2 25 57 Devin Hester WR Miami (FL)
3 3 9 73 Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma
4 4 23 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State
5 5 27 159 Mark Anderson DE Alabama
6 6 26 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma
7 6 31 200 Tyler Reed G Penn State

[Clockwork Orange]

The Bears obviously decided they can't draft offense anyway, so they just said screw it this year. Only a project WR on that side of the ball in the first five rounds, but a CB and three more athletes for an already loaded front seven.

No. Round Pick Player Name Position College
1 2 10 42 Danieal Manning DB Abilene Christian
2 2 25 57 Devin Hester WR Miami (FL)
3 3 9 73 Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma
4 4 23 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State
5 5 27 159 Mark Anderson DE Alabama
6 6 26 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma
7 6 31 200 Tyler Reed G Penn State

That's pretty sad considering that they could have had any WR or TE not named Vernon Davis in the draft had they not traded down. For their sake, I hope that they aren't thinking that all they need is a healthy Rex Grossman and the offense will be fine.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Bears are counting on some young guys at WR. Mark Bradley, Justin Gage and Bernard Berrian.

[Kid A]

The Bears are counting on some young guys at WR. Mark Bradley, Justin Gage and Bernard Berrian.

I think it was Bradley who got injured last season. Before he got hurt, though, my friend who is a Bear's fan thought he had the potential to be a really good WR.

[-Slap-]

They need some bonafide playmakers.

[ozomulsion]

I think it was Bradley who got injured last season. Before he got hurt, though, my friend who is a Bear's fan thought he had the potential to be a really good WR.

Mushin Muhamid is a very good. Justin Gage looked really good towards the the end of the year as well.

[24champ]

Bump!

Just to show some of the newbies the highlight of this site...I can't wait for Training Camp!

[theAPAOps5]

I just got a hard on.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Can't wait!! :D

[broncocalijohn]

WHAT? WE talk football here? F OFF! I am getting ready to look at some you tube videos and Jason's Butt thread. Football? Get out of heeeeaaaa!

[24champ]

WHAT? WE talk football here? F OFF! I am getting ready to look at some you tube videos and Jason's Butt thread. Football? Get out of heeeeaaaa!

Or we could always talk about how you love Budweiser.:)

[broncocalijohn]

I only like "Great American Heroes" Bud Light commercials. Still looking for proof I drank bud at a tailgate when other beer was available. Big Foot is real b4 that happens. The cooler better be empty if it does. Now, back to football.