OT: Gatlin fails drugs test.

[UKBronco]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/5227956.stm

Another one falls fould to the 'excessive testosterone' story.

What happens? Does he see a naked chick while running and get all worked up??

[watermock]

There has to be something they thought wouldn't get detected, or else the anti-dopers are going overboard. Still, it's rather odd that both vehemently deny the charges. That's not surprising, but the whole thing seems like a cat and mouse cartoon. I don't know what to think.

Isn't it rather odd that a treatment for ADD would be banned? Yes, Ritalin or it's sisters are actually amphetamines, which I have always found rather odd considering ADD is being "hyper". Maybe Dr. Broncenstein can clear that up. I think that child attention deficiet disorder is often just being bored or needing attention or simply being a Bart Simpson. I can't believe there hasn't been a Ritalin episode on the Simpsons.

[Garcia Bronco]

Landis did not have excessive Testosterone.

[watermock]

Landis did not have excessive Testosterone.

I know, but that is how it's being reported for some reason. He had an imbalance of Etestrostern or something like that. Why it's not reported as an imbalance is absurd. I know nothing about how that stuff works. Maybe they found a way to move the E to a T and thought it wouldn't be caught. Hell if I know. Mabye Gatlin had the same imbalance...maybe finely tuned athletes create that condition. I simply don't know, but don't expect sample B to test any different for Landis.

[UKBronco]

Landis did not have excessive Testosterone.

I thought he did......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/5221122.stm

The 30-year-old American, who claimed Tour de France victory on Sunday, has tested positive for unusual levels of the male sex hormone testosterone.

[Garcia Bronco]

He tested for a ratio greater than 4:1 of E compared to T....but his T level was below normal. Further more...had he been taking Testosterone...he would have had to take it for weeks for it to do him any good...and would have shown up in a prior test. This is all one big farce. Also...alcohol consuption could lower one's E compared to T...making the whole idea of the test absurd along with WADA, their rules, the Cycling Union, and any media outlet reporting this garbage...There might be "cheaters" out there...but Landis isn't one of them.

[fuzzy]

LAndis is totally clean, the guy was very impressive on Larry King yesterday and his doctor was there as well explaining how they have continuallly lowered the allowable ratio of testosterone to epitestostore in recent years ( in the days of East German doping those guys had ratios of 100-1!) from 15-1 then to 10 to 1, then down to 6 to 1 and now lowered late this Spring to a ridiculous 4 to 1, which not only can be in the realm of normal variables in the body, but is too tight a ratio to be reliably replicated in the 25 year old antiquated test they used on Landis's A sample.

Plus both Landis doctor and another top expert doctor on the US anti-doping committee said something is really fishy here, as no one in their right mind would use Testosterone for cycling in any event, as it would more than likely have an adverse effect not a benefit. And certainly NEVER would do it during a race when it would have no effect at all for Pete's sake!

You'd have to take it for at least three weeks straight to have any performace enhancnement at all, and he was tested 8 times in the three weeks leading up to the suspect test after stage 17, and twice afterwards, including after the last time trial and at the end of the Tour, and ALL those came back clean which is TOTALLY nonsensical! Testosterone levels don't leave the body that quickly.

Furthermore, he didnt have elevated serum testoserone it was within high/normal values, but his 'EPI-testoseteone' was unusually low, which threw the ratio off increasing the spread just beyond the newly tightened (and overly so) range of accepted values.

The whole thing is a TOTAL sham! Lance Amstrong came on Larry King saying he is highly suspicious of this same Lab that did the test as it was the same French lab that ****ed up his 1999 test and then accused him of cheating in 1999, only after winning his 7th Tour last year, and in spite of Lance passing over 150 piss tests from 1998 through 2005!

Lance said that lab would not confirm their chain of evidence to anyone after they got their teeth kicked in a couple months ago and had to apologize for the accusation, and were very shady and now they just happen to accuse the OTHER US Tour winner the very next year and no one else in the whole race!!

Give me a break!

Either the B sample clears Landis or the whole thing is tampered with and we should drop a a giant stink bomb on Paris (just kidding :-).

But seriously, this accusation is so far-fetched and fails the crediblity test on so many levels, that if they come up with another shady sample ( as they probably will to try and save face) and wind up stripping this poor kid of his well-earned victory before he undergoes a hip replacement, we should boycott all future Tours de France and ban every French athelete from competing in the US in any sport ... permanently! ( Bye Bye Tony Parker :-)


and uhh.... that's my two cents. :D
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[hades]

Fvck France.

[Sodak]

This guy runs? Is this really interesting?

Run, Forrest! Run!