What do Bronco fans think about the KC offense now?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

How many points per game are we going to average? I know you guys are experts on the KC offense so I thought I'd ask.

[Sassy]

Do we care? As long as we have more points than the chefs when we play them....

[Clockwork Orange]

Still craving validation, eh? God, you're sad.

[ol number 7]

Still craving validation, eh? God, you're sad.
RIGHT- ON, I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH RIVERS, TOMLINSON AND GATES, OR MOSS, PORTER AND BROOKS. KC IS THE CUBS OF THE NFL. :spit:

[azbroncfan]

I wonder who the 1 guy who voted 25+ is???

[ol number 7]

How many points per game are we going to average? I know you guys are experts on the KC offense so I thought I'd ask.

I'LL SAY 50 A GAME. WITH 43 BEING TAKEN OFF THE BOARD FOR HOLDING BY TURLEY AND BLACK.

[(Jae)]

Do we care? As long as we have more points than the chefs when we play them....

...........................

[Mediator12]

18-22 without a Starting level OT on either side. Steady decline, BOB.

2003 30+
2004 30+
2005 25 Without Roaf for six games and Welbourne for four.
2006 22- without Roaf and Welbourne for all 16, and no obvious skilled replacements.

Better hope that Cover two does much better than 21 points a game.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

22 points a game would be fine by me.

That will be more than enough for our defense.

[Sassy]

Hey Bob...Roaf didn't play when the Cheffies played at Invesco did he?
What does that tell you?

[listopencil]

I wonder who the 1 guy who voted 25+ is???


It was him. He was trying to bait us into an argument about whether KC can score 25+ a game and he thought more people would agree with him.

[Spider]

Did he just say 22 points is enough for the Chiefs D to cover ? Prozac Bob .....use it

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Hey Bob...Roaf didn't play when the Cheffies played at Invesco did he?

What does that tell you?

It tells me you have a good grasp on what happened last year.

[listopencil]

22 points a game would be fine by me.

That will be more than enough for our defense.

.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Did he just say 22 points is enough for the Chiefs D to cover ? Prozac Bob .....use it

Hey spider, I know you're only operating with half a lobe, but try to understand.

Our defense allowed 20 points a game last year.

We added a Pro-Bowl Cornerback and a first-round talent at Defensive End.

Yep...22 points a game won't be near enough. :oyvey:

[Spider]

Hey spider, I know you're only operating with half a lobe, but try to understand.

Our defense allowed 20 points a game last year.

We added a Pro-Bowl Cornerback and a first-round talent at Defensive End.

Yep...22 points a game won't be near enough. :oyvey:
LOL ...... perhaps yo ushould rethink that half a lobe thing Sparky .....
Week 1 Sep 11 W 27-7 vs New York Jets
Week 2 Sep 18 W 23-17 at Oakland Raiders
Week 3 Sep 26 L 30-10 at Denver Broncos
Week 4 Oct 2 L 37-31 vs Philadelphia Eagles
Week 5 Bye Week
Week 6 Oct 16 W 28-21 vs Washington Redskins
Week 7 Oct 21 W 30-20 at Miami Dolphins
Week 8 Oct 30 L 28-20 at San Diego Chargers
Week 9 Nov 6 W 27-23 vs Oakland Raiders
Week 10 Nov 13 L 14-3 at Buffalo Bills
Week 11 Nov 20 W 45-17 at Houston Texans
Week 12 Nov 27 W 26-16 vs New England Patriots
Week 13 Dec 4 W 31-27 vs Denver Broncos
Week 14 Dec 11 L 31-28 at Dallas Cowboys
Week 15 Dec 17 L 27-17 at New York Giants
Week 16 Dec 24 W 20-7 vs San Diego Chargers
Week 17 Jan 1 W 37-3 vs Cincinnati Bengals

[Sooner_Redhawk]

Less than 15. Enough said !!!

:kcbard:

[listopencil]

Hey spider, I know you're only operating with half a lobe, but try to understand.

Our defense allowed 20 points a game last year.

We added a Pro-Bowl Cornerback and a first-round talent at Defensive End.

Yep...22 points a game won't be near enough. :oyvey:


Your O won't be on the field as long this year so the opposing O will have more chances. You're going to have to score 5 more points a game just to break even. Toast.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LOL ...... perhaps yo ushould rethink that half a lobe thing Sparky .....
Week 1 Sep 11 W 27-7 vs New York Jets
Week 2 Sep 18 W 23-17 at Oakland Raiders
Week 3 Sep 26 L 30-10 at Denver Broncos
Week 4 Oct 2 L 37-31 vs Philadelphia Eagles
Week 5 Bye Week
Week 6 Oct 16 W 28-21 vs Washington Redskins
Week 7 Oct 21 W 30-20 at Miami Dolphins
Week 8 Oct 30 L 28-20 at San Diego Chargers
Week 9 Nov 6 W 27-23 vs Oakland Raiders
Week 10 Nov 13 L 14-3 at Buffalo Bills
Week 11 Nov 20 W 45-17 at Houston Texans
Week 12 Nov 27 W 26-16 vs New England Patriots
Week 13 Dec 4 W 31-27 vs Denver Broncos
Week 14 Dec 11 L 31-28 at Dallas Cowboys
Week 15 Dec 17 L 27-17 at New York Giants
Week 16 Dec 24 W 20-7 vs San Diego Chargers
Week 17 Jan 1 W 37-3 vs Cincinnati Bengals


You're smart one. What does posting the Chiefs 2005 schedule prove?

Nothing.

[Mediator12]

Hey spider, I know you're only operating with half a lobe, but try to understand.

Our defense allowed 20 points a game last year.

We added a Pro-Bowl Cornerback and a first-round talent at Defensive End.

Yep...22 points a game won't be near enough. :oyvey:

Hello, Earth to Bob. Unlike your offensive arguments, they ARE changing the scheme in KC on defense. Herm Is going to play Cover two making the third scheme change in FOUR years. Your DL has just as many Holes as Denver and is just as Crappy at pass rush, Jared Allen notwithstanding. Tamba Hali is good, but he is going up against much better Competition, is not well rounded, and just as much a project as Dumervil at this point.

None of your LB's have ever played Cover two with one being a former 3-4 Rush LB, another a Rover LB at Texas. Derrick Johnson's coverage skills and discipline are NOT his strongpoints and those will be his primary responsibilities in that system. Your Safties were Abused deep and by TE's last year and you have no one better there to cover.

This defense does not have the Speed to play Cover two or the experience. The DT's have to get great penetration and you have ZERO @ DT. It is going to take awhile for that Defense to gel and you may very well be 0-5 before you get that first W. Losing to SF would be Priceless ;D

[DenverBrit]

Your O won't be on the field as long this year so the opposing O will have more chances. You're going to have to score 5 more points a game just to break even. Toast.


KC will probably have to keep Gonzo on the line to block more.....Quitterson is dragging his feet... Richardson is gone and LJ doesn't have a dominant left tackle to plow for him. Sounds like a lot of 3 and out. The KC D will be on the field way more this season. Burnt toast.

[Spider]

You're smart one. What does posting the Chiefs 2005 schedule prove?

Nothing.
just showing you that against the better teams you guys gave up alot of points......Bengals had nothing to play for

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Your DL has just as many Holes as Denver and is just as Crappy at pass rush, Jared Allen notwithstanding. Tamba Hali is good, but he is going up against much better Competition, is not well rounded, and just as much a project as Dumervil at this point.

Jared Allen + Tamba Hali pretty much outclasses your entire defensive line. Also, Hali was drafted in the first round, yet he's just as much of a project as Dumervil? That's...incredibly retarded.


Derrick Johnson's coverage skills and discipline are NOT his strongpoints and those will be his primary responsibilities in that system.
More ignorance. Derrick Johnson's best attribute are his coverage skills. I mean...are you just pulling opinions out of thin air? That's what he's known for. Did you think he was some sort of pass-rush specialist?


This defense does not have the Speed to play Cover two or the experience. The DT's have to get great penetration and you have ZERO @ DT.
We've got speed at linebacker...check.

We've got speed at corner....check.

We've got speed on the defensive line...check.

Yep...we don't have ANY speed. ROFL!


So...you want to just delete your post, or what?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LJ doesn't have a dominant left tackle to plow for him.

That's ok. He averaged about 5 yards per carry last year without Roaf.

[spdirty]

:chiefssux :chefstink :manesmack :kcbard: :bronxrox:

[Conklin]

tell ya what bob, law and hali are going to average 14.49 points in the second half of all games where the shade covers the south end of the stadium first, so don't worry about your offense...kk?

[azbroncfan]

It's never a good thing when you have to rely on predicting a rookie DL for pass rush as it's too hard to predict.

[DenverBrit]

That's ok. He averaged about 5 yards per carry last year without Roaf.


Now find the stat where Gonzo was kept back to block, and what was the win/loss? .500?

The point is that Roaf will be impossible to replace without pulling back the offense. Teams no longer have to scheme for him and that will make a difference.

[Mediator12]

Jared Allen + Tamba Hali pretty much outclasses your entire defensive line. Also, Hali was drafted in the first round, yet he's just as much of a project as Dumervil? That's...incredibly retarded.

Tamba Hali has PROVEN NOTHING. More DE's flop than ANY other FIRST ROUND position. I gave you Allen. Cover two REQUIRES interior pass rush as well and KC has NOTHING at DT.

More ignorance. Derrick Johnson's best attribute are his coverage skills. I mean...are you just pulling opinions out of thin air? That's what he's known for. Did you think he was some sort of pass-rush specialist?

Ignorance, coming from you that is a complement. KC ranked thirty in covering the TE's last year, but DJ has great coverage skills Hilarious! Derrick Johnson is KNOWN for blowing bootleg , PA, Counter, and pass coverage reads.

We've got speed at linebacker...uncheck. Mitchell is 4.7, Bell 4.7 That's not LB speed Bob.

We've got speed at corner....uncheck. No top end speed, bob. Law was 4.5, Surtain 4.5 ten years ago. Nice try though.

We've got speed on the defensive line...check. Where? Hali was 4.84, Bob and Allen was 4.81

Yep...we don't have ANY speed for real.

You were right here Bob!

So...you want to just delete your post, or what?

You definitely should not have Assumed these things about your defense. And no matter what, you have a DC that does not like the Defense he just had to install because the HC made him and players who do not fit your scheme, AGAIN. And the learning curve for players in a defense that relies on perfect seamless zone transition is BIG.

Now, stop your information minister rants with NO FACTS.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Seriously...if you don't think KC has speed at linebacker you're just clueless. It was evident in every game last year. Mitchell...Johnson...Fox...they're all fast linebackers. Did you think our two-year improvement in run defense was just...luck?

Anyway...your defensive line still sucks. You going to tell me Corey Jackson is your great hope this year? ROFL!

[gunns]

Jared Allen + Tamba Hali pretty much outclasses your entire defensive line. Also, Hali was drafted in the first round, yet he's just as much of a project as Dumervil? That's...incredibly retarded.


More ignorance. Derrick Johnson's best attribute are his coverage skills. I mean...are you just pulling opinions out of thin air? That's what he's known for. Did you think he was some sort of pass-rush specialist?


We've got speed at linebacker...check.


We've got speed at corner....check.

We've got speed on the defensive line...check.

Yep...we don't have ANY speed. ROFL!


So...you want to just delete your post, or what?

So what, if the defense gels the way you say the score will now be 14-6 for the Broncos.

[gunns]

Seriously...if you don't think KC has speed at linebacker you're just clueless. It was evident in every game last year. Mitchell...Johnson...Fox...they're all fast linebackers. Did you think our two-year improvement in run defense was just...luck?

Anyway...your defensive line still sucks. You going to tell me Corey Jackson is your great hope this year? ROFL!

Yeah, I was particularly impressed with that game against Tiki.

[gunns]

That's ok. He averaged about 5 yards per carry last year without Roaf.

Not in Denver, 8 attempts 13 yards.

[Mediator12]

Seriously...if you don't think KC has speed at linebacker you're just clueless. It was evident in every game last year. Mitchell...Johnson...Fox...they're all fast linebackers. Did you think our two-year improvement in run defense was just...luck?

Anyway...your defensive line still sucks. You going to tell me Corey Jackson is your great hope this year? ROFL!

No, it was more aggressive LB's at the LOS not speed. More LB run Blitzes.
Cover two requires more depth at the Snap Genius. Your LB's were Average last year and you commited your safeties more to the running game and got picked apart in coverage.

And your Defensive line STILL sucks and it becomes WORSE trying to get pressure from just their front four. Your DL are not TB, INDY, or even NYJ's with Abraham and Ellis. You have a second tier proven DE in Jared Allen, a First round SLOW DE, and AGAIN no DT's that can penetrate.

As for Denver's DL, they still suck until proven otherwise as well. But KC's DL is still just as bad or worse.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Nope. We're about the same, and KC has Allen so that gives them the edge.

And you're wrong about our linebackers. They're fast. I don't know where you pulled those forty times from, but I'm guessing it was in the vicinity of your ASS.

ANYONE that watched a KC game last year could see Kawika and DJ had plenty of speed. Kawika covered Randy Moss down the seam on one play and broke up a pass. That's because Gunther knew Kawika was as fast as Moss in the first 20 yards.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Not in Denver, 8 attempts 13 yards.

That's nice, hon. I was talking about six or seven games, not one in which he didn't even start. Get a clue.

[Taco John]

Personally, even if Roaf was in there this year, I was expecting to see continued drop-off for the Chiefs... First of all, there's no way he was going to be able to be healthy all season, which is what cost the Chiefs their shot at the playoffs last year. Second of all, losing continuity at both head coach AND offensive coordinator is going to hurt the Chiefs more than their fans want to believe... Oh, I've heard all the Solari mumbo-jumbo. All I can do is laugh.

I'll be suprised if the Chiefs finish higher than third.

[Mediator12]

Nope. We're about the same, and KC has Allen so that gives them the edge.

And you're wrong about our linebackers. They're fast. I don't know where you pulled those forty times from, but I'm guessing it was in the vicinity of your ASS.

ANYONE that watched a KC game last year could see Kawika and DJ had plenty of speed. Kawika covered Randy Moss down the seam on one play and broke up a pass. That's because Gunther knew Kawika was as fast as Moss in the first 20 yards.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/players.php?genpos=DE&draftyear=2004&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/index.php

And Moss was injured last year , not a great comparsion.

And Anyone who is pro-chiefs would assume their Defense would get better three years running!

[gunns]

That's nice, hon. I was talking about six or seven games, not one in which he didn't even start. Get a clue.


Well that's nice Bob, but that's not what you said.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Actually, it's exactly what I said. LJ averaged 5 yards per carry without Roaf last year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/players.php?genpos=DE&draftyear=2004&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/index.php

And Moss was injured last year , not a great comparsion.

And Anyone who is pro-chiefs would assume their Defense would get better three years running!

I don't give a rat's ass about draft 40 times. We've got plenty of speed.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Personally, even if Roaf was in there this year, I was expecting to see continued drop-off for the Chiefs... First of all, there's no way he was going to be able to be healthy all season, which is what cost the Chiefs their shot at the playoffs last year. Second of all, losing continuity at both head coach AND offensive coordinator is going to hurt the Chiefs more than their fans want to believe... Oh, I've heard all the Solari mumbo-jumbo. All I can do is laugh.

I'll be suprised if the Chiefs finish higher than third.

I'll be surprised if you ever predict the Chiefs to finish ahead of the Broncos in the division.

Third is laughable. Second at worst. This is a two-horse race.

[Crushaholic]

Do we care? As long as we have more points than the chefs when we play them....

The thread should have ended with Sassy's post...:notworthy

[Mediator12]

I don't give a rat's ass about draft 40 times. We've got plenty of speed.

Keep telling yourself that Bob. When your improved defense gets lit up like a christmas tree by the bengals and then the Broncos we shall See ;D

[Florida_Bronco]

I don't give a rat's ass about draft 40 times. We've got plenty of speed.

Dude, you are such a dumbass sometimes. You parade stupid **** like 40 times around here all the time when they support your cause, but denounce them when they don't. :spit:

Keep going Bob, Med is tearing you down on every post and we're all loving it.

[Hulamau]

Jared Allen + Tamba Hali pretty much outclasses your entire defensive line. Also, Hali was drafted in the first round, yet he's just as much of a project as Dumervil? That's...incredibly retarded.

Who cares about 'speed' when they are all running around in circles flapping their arms!? ... You've got to have a brain and some direction up top to make it work.

Ty Law is a plus, no doubt, but the idea the 'Bambi' Hali and Jared Allen are better than our whole DL rotation is just too 'BOB' to respond too!

And DJ used plenty of speed last year over running his assignments!

[ClevelandBronco]

The premise of the question has me stumped. I think very little about the Chiefs offense. I'll see it in week 2 and I'll continue to think very little about it until then.

[ol number 7]

Seriously...if you don't think KC has speed at linebacker you're just clueless. It was evident in every game last year. Mitchell...Johnson...Fox...they're all fast linebackers. Did you think our two-year improvement in run defense was just...luck?

Anyway...your defensive line still sucks. You going to tell me Corey Jackson is your great hope this year? ROFL!

The Chiefs linebackers looked real fast running after Mike Anderson in Denver last year. I commented to my wife, "look !!! They almost caught Anderson 30 yards down the field. GOD those 'backers are fast." Now if they could only tackle someone is another story.

[redrage]

While I don't share Bob's optimism, I find it a little funny that many Bronco fans seem to be celebrating Roaf's retirement when prior to that they didn't seem to think KC as a threat. Was that a little wishful thinking going on? Now with Roaf retiring, you can just hear the exhale from Denver.

No doubt, this sucks for the Chiefs. You're talking about replacing one of the all-time greats who, prior to last season (and when healthy last season), was playing extremely well. Huge, with long arms and serious speed for a big man. Practically the ideal left tackle. There WILL be a drop-off, I don't care if his replacement comes in a does an OK job, the offense will miss big Willie.

Sure I think they can adequately run block for LJ. But I worry about the unpredictability of the offense. I pray we aren't returning to the run, run, pass on 3rd and long days. Green will get killed if KC gets into too many 3rd and longs.

I think KC managment saw this coming. Maybe not this season, but Kyle Turley, Jordan Black, Kevin Sampson and Will Svitek are all tackle prospects for a reason. You can't just pluck a HOF LT out of thin air. If Jordan Black is our starting LT, I believe he'll play better than last season. Experience is invaluable at that position and he got some last year. Hopefully it pans out. Heard good things about Sampson and Sviteck. Deep down I hope one of them shows some stuff this camp.

KC's offense won't fall off the map. While Saunders did have good imagination, he also infuriated many KC fans for running to many cute plays at times when the power game was dominating (i.e. see Seattle 2002). We shall see how Solari matches up.

[ICON]

16676Muah hahah hahah! Bob Such evilness in your words , there are. To believe that you have a Good team, I do not! Not easly scared by long mullets , I am. The force is strong within you BoB, it is! have a secret, I do. gay the chiefs are! suck this year they will.

[wabbit]

While I don't share Bob's optimism, I find it a little funny that many Bronco fans seem to be celebrating Roaf's retirement when prior to that they didn't seem to think KC as a threat. Was that a little wishful thinking going on? Now with Roaf retiring, you can just hear the exhale from Denver...

blah blah...blah blah blah...bleat bleat...blah...blah, blah...bleat

Never changes...echoes in a well

[redrage]

Ugh..there goes the thread. Wabbit chimed in.

[wabbit]

Ugh..there goes the thread. Wabbit chimed in.

Well, I'm just sayin'...for a franchise that hasn't won crap in 35 years, the Chiefy fan base sure has made an art form of talking up the high points...such as they are.

[redrage]

Hey, it was just an observation. I know a lot of biased viewpoints on the Chiefs are made basically because they are Denver's rivals, but also to just balance out the viewpoints of a certain overzealous Chief's fan. It sure seemed like a ton of relief being put down on these post.

I don't post much, so you probably don't remember, but we butted heads a couple years back in the preseason. My comment was essentially based on that encounter. I know you have good takes on the Broncos and are respected around here. My last post was out of line. I want good football takes like the rest of you.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Yep Chief's will be fine without 2/5ths of their starting O-line, without Pro-Bowl Fullback, sub-par WRs on offense. Defense. Isn't are rookie QB stronger than your stud rookie DE, I think so. And the rest of your d-line is who? Ty Law and Surtain use to be really good corners. Who's at safety? LB's, 2 nobodies and 1 overrated. You and the rest of the Chief fan should just get together, don't forget the klean-ex, and tell each other it's going to be alright.

[redrage]

Yep Chief's will be fine without 2/5ths of their starting O-line, without Pro-Bowl Fullback, sub-par WRs on offense. Defense. Isn't are rookie QB stronger than your stud rookie DE, I think so. And the rest of your d-line is who? Ty Law and Surtain use to be really good corners. Who's at safety? LB's, 2 nobodies and 1 overrated. You and the rest of the Chief fan should just get together, don't forget the klean-ex, and tell each other it's going to be alright.
Well I'm not sure, but I would imagine most teams would struggle without 2/5th's of their starting O-line. Fortunately, we have other players on the roster so we'll be able to play guys at all five positions.;)

[Paladin]

Poor, poor mullets.....

[Florida_Bronco]

Ugh..there goes the thread. Wabbit chimed in.

Of course you guys hate it. He is one of the few here that knows his stuff so well that everytime you argue with him, you lose...always.

[BroncoFiend]

Right now, as Bronco training camp starts, do you really think Bronco fans care about your team?

Go post that poll on a Chiefs board.

[crazyhorse]

Of course you guys hate it. He is one of the few here that knows his stuff so well that everytime you argue with him, you lose...always.

I seldom see him win an arguement. Especially on merit. Mostly his debates consist of singleing out bob for personal insults.

[ROYC75]

I see nothing has changed around here........

Homer vs Homer...... the only winner here is the one who has the most homers.

I'm just glad football season is finally upon us !

[BroncoFiend]

22 points a game would be fine by me.

That will be more than enough for our defense.

Last year the KC offense scored over 25ppg

Last year the KC defense gave us just over 20ppg

Last year KC missed the playoffs.

Averages are nothing, winning is everything.

You have taken a major step back in coaching this year, your o-line has taken a mojor step back, and you are counting on a rookie to save your d-line.

At least try to see things logically bob.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You folks just don't get it. You'll get it in week 2 I suspect.

[Northman]

Hey spider, I know you're only operating with half a lobe, but try to understand.

Our defense allowed 20 points a game last year.

We added a Pro-Bowl Cornerback and a first-round talent at Defensive End.

Yep...22 points a game won't be near enough. :oyvey:

Well, considering you only scored 10 ( technically 3 ) points in Denver with your Offense and gave up 30 from your defense thats a bit of a stretch there. But then again, you declare you guys are totally different every year but yet are faced with the same result.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why are you even using that game as an example? Black had only been playing left tackle for one week.

We've got an entire training camp and preseason to find our new offensive tackles.

By the way, I was right last year. I declared that our defense would improve, and it did.

[Northman]

Why are you even using that game as an example? Black had only been playing left tackle for one week.

We've got an entire training camp and preseason to find our new offensive tackles.

By the way, I was right last year. I declared that our defense would improve, and it did.


You also declared two years ago that you could stop the bootleg. :)

[Spider]

Why are you even using that game as an example? Black had only been playing left tackle for one week.

We've got an entire training camp and preseason to find our new offensive tackles.

By the way, I was right last year. I declared that our defense would improve, and it did.
LOL and would you care to tell us again on how Goonther will stop the bootleg ....... that was some funny shít

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Gunther stopped the bootleg last time we faced you. I mean...we did win.

[Northman]

Gunther stopped the bootleg last time we faced you. I mean...we did win.


Yea, you won but it wasnt as impressive as the our win before that.

[BroncoFiend]

You folks just don't get it. You'll get it in week 2 I suspect.

Why is it that your response to any real, grounded argument is some off the cuff idiotic remark.

Do you disagree that your coaching has taken a step back? I lived in New York up until a year ago and heard first hand every monday what a 'great' coach Herm is.

Do you disagree that your o-line has taken a step back?

Do you really think that a rookie DE is a sure thing?

C'mon man, I can't WAIT for week 2!

[Northman]

Why is it that your response to any real, grounded argument is some off the cuff idiotic remark.

Do you disagree that your coaching has taken a step back? I lived in New York up until a year ago and heard first hand every monday what a 'great' coach Herm is.

Do you disagree that your o-line has taken a step back?

Do you really think that a rookie DE is a sure thing?

C'mon man, I can't WAIT for week 2!


Dont worry BF, just like every year Bob is desperate and grasping at anything to try to match what the Broncos and their mighty faithful have.. Success. LOL

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Do you disagree that your coaching has taken a step back? I lived in New York up until a year ago and heard first hand every monday what a 'great' coach Herm is.

I'll take Herm over Dick, who did NOTHING here. Herm won two playoff games in New York.

[BroncoFiend]

I'll take Herm over Dick, who did NOTHING here. Herm won two playoff games in New York.

$@%! you are delusional! there's no point talking to you, especially when you're clearly off your medication.

Keep in mind that Vermeil did a few good things before going to KC too, better than Herm if I recall.

Herm's best asset is talking to the media, and was widely regarded in NY as the worst gameday coach in the league.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Eh, whatever. 2 playoff wins > 0 playoff wins.

I mean...I know playoff wins mean something to Bronco fans. You guys are always crowing about them.

[Crushaholic]

I'll take Herm over Dick, who did NOTHING here. Herm won two playoff games in New York.

And Dick did nothing but win Super Bowls elsewhere. Your point is...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

My point is, we just dumped a head coach who couldn't win a playoff game to save his life in Kansas City.

And that's a BAD thing?

I should honestly stop responding to Bronco fan drivel. I know most of you are going to put a negative spin on ANYTHING the Chiefs do.

[watermock]

Vermiel wasn't fired at Philly, he wasn't fired in St. Louis and he wasn't fired in K.C. Both Edwards and Goother (once by ironically, K.C) have.

Your delusional to think that you can replace two offensive coaches in Dick and Al, replace them with Edwards and Goonther, lose your FB and both starting LT's and have the "same offense". Put down the glass pipe.

Vermiel isn't the first, nor will be the last, that won't win a playoff game in K.C. Maybe you should wake up Hank Stram.

[Car Ram Rod]

Last year the KC offense scored over 25ppg

Last year the KC defense gave us just over 20ppg

Last year KC missed the playoffs.

Averages are nothing, winning is everything.

You have taken a major step back in coaching this year, your o-line has taken a mojor step back, and you are counting on a rookie to save your d-line.

At least try to see things logically bob.

I wouldnt say the Chiefs took a step down as far as coaching at all. Herm took the Jets into the playoffs 3 out of the 5 seasons he coached there. That's pretty good, especially being in NY. However the Chiefs have taken a HUGE blow in losing their 2 starting taclkes, especially in pass protection and I think everyone could see that last season when Roaf was injured. I dont think running the ball will be an issue but the LJ 2000 yds talk is down the drain now. Every Olineman loves to run block because it is easier. The Chiefs IMO will struggle a little bit this season because no one can replace what Roaf had to offer. Not to mention a change of a new HC is something anyone has to adjust to as well as a new OC. Our defense however will improve but I dont think by any means that its at the point to where the Chiefs can rely on it.

[Kaylore]

The other loss no one is mentioning that I think might be bigger than talked about is Tony Richardson. The guy is regular pro-bowler. You don't lose him and your two tackles and think everything is going to be gravy.

[Florida_Bronco]

Eh, whatever. 2 playoff wins > 0 playoff wins.

I mean...I know playoff wins mean something to Bronco fans. You guys are always crowing about them.

Herm has never won a Super Bowl, Vermeil has.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Herm's only been a coach for five years.

[Blueflame]

My point is, we just dumped a head coach who couldn't win a playoff game to save his life in Kansas City.

And that's a BAD thing?

I should honestly stop responding to Bronco fan drivel. I know most of you are going to put a negative spin on ANYTHING the Chiefs do.

If you want to hear homerish takes like "Rah-Rah, the Chefs are gonna win the SB this year" then a rival forum would seem to be a less-than-ideal place to look.

You're on a Broncos board.... no, we aren't gonna be wearing ketchup-and-mustard-colored shades anytime soon.

[Mediator12]

My point is, we just dumped a head coach who couldn't win a playoff game to save his life in Kansas City.

And that's a BAD thing?

I should honestly stop responding to Bronco fan drivel. I know most of you are going to put a negative spin on ANYTHING the Chiefs do.

No, you put a positive spin on everything the Chiefs do. There are plenty of people here who realize this team has limitations at DL, RB, and sometimes QB. Losing Roaf and Welbourne with no Proven OT's to replace them is a big blow to your offense. Losing Vermiel and Saunders is a big blow to the Offensive scheme. Your just to egomaniacal and stubborn to admit you have weaknesses in these areas.

If Kubiak AND shanahan left it would be a big deal for Denver's offense. But this is Shanahan's scheme, not Kubiak's. If Shanahan Forced a defensive scheme on Coyer, I would be plenty pissed off especially if it caused the players I have to learn a whole NEW system that the Majority of the defense has never played. It's called a learning Curve Bob. These are not real smart guys out there for the most part who are just going to "get it" and execute it right away.

It takes experience. It takes Chemistry. Bailey and Lynch did not fit in right away either and took 3-4 games to start working together with the rest of the defense.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No, you put a positive spin on everything the Chiefs do.

Not true at all.

[Odysseus]

Dude, you are such a dumbass sometimes. You parade stupid **** like 40 times around here all the time when they support your cause, but denounce them when they don't. :spit:

Keep going Bob, Med is tearing you down on every post and we're all loving it.

If this keeps up Med is going to start pimping Bob out at Broncos parties.

[Rausch]

Vermiel wasn't fired at Philly, he wasn't fired in St. Louis and he wasn't fired in K.C. Both Edwards and Goother (once by ironically, K.C) have.


Really?

Remind me where Herm was fired from...

[zdoor]

Herm's a decent coach (not great). He's more of an emotional leader than an XO's type IMHO. He's not a big upgrade over Vermeil, hell many would argue he's a step down. But, hey the after game press conferences should be classic.

But, to think losing a probowl/HOF left tackle and a pro bowl caliber full back will have no effect is homering to the extreme.

I think your boy Carl F'd up and counted his chicken's a little too soon in not addressing your Oline depth more agressively. He knew you be losing both tackle soon, should have signed a proven backup instead of a guy who hasn't played in years and whose back can't handle the bulk it takes to play tackle.

And, looking on a rival fan board for someone to agree with you is just stupid

[Paladin]

Optimism grinds to halt

JASON WHITLOCK
The ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.orangemane.com/BB/ /><st1:City w:st=<st1:place w:st="on">Kansas City</st1:place></st1:City> Star

Guess we can thank Willie Roaf for Ty Law, Kyle Turley and Tamba Hali’s on-time-for-camp signing.

Things were going much too smoothly at Arrowhead Stadium this summer for something really terrible not to be driving Carl Peterson’s actions. Now we know: Arguably the Chiefs’ most valuable player had told Peterson and coach Herm Edwards that his playing career is over.

And now everything makes sense. The Chiefs dusted off Kyle Turley, sweet-talked Ty Law and paid Tamba Hali to mask the stink of Roaf retiring.

Problem is, we’re just not that stupid. Roaf’s exit puts a dark cloud on what previously had been the most anticipated <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kansas City</st1:place></st1:City> football season since the 1998 disaster.

My optimism has been replaced by fear — fear of Trent Green getting steamrolled by defensive ends traveling the Jordan Black Expressway to quarterbacks. Green is an iron man. He’s played five years and 80 regular-season games without missing a start. It’s difficult to imagine that streak continuing with Roaf at home awaiting his invitation to <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Canton</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Ohio</st1:State></st1:place>.

Anyone holding out hope that Priest Holmes might decide to return needs to let that fantasy go. Holmes would be foolish to play this season without Roaf. Nope. Let Larry Johnson carry that burden. He’s young and desiring a megacontract. He can take the hits.

Oh, it’s going to be MartyBall all the way this season. Edwards has no choice. The Chiefs will have pass-protection problems, receiver Eddie Kennison isn’t happy with his contract, and Al Saunders’ imagination is now in our nation’s capital.

New offensive coordinator Mike Solari is going to pound the football. The Chiefs will try to control the clock and play solid defense.

I don’t have a problem with that plan. I just question whether they have the depth to pull it off. Remember, there’s no depth behind Johnson. Tony Richardson plays in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Minnesota</st1:place></st1:State>. Will Shields is old. And the Chiefs are still banking on Ryan Sims improving their defensive front four.

This is an absolute disaster. What’s worse is Roaf’s explanation for retiring. He said his body was worn out by four years of being locked in Dick Vermeil’s boot camp in-season and offseason programs.

Vermeil’s marathon practices shortened the career of one of the best offensive tackles in the history of the game. Roaf said his body didn’t feel right in May, and he let Peterson and Edwards know he was going to retire. Roaf said he even filed his retirement paperwork.

Of course, Peterson failed to share this bit of information with us. Peterson thinks Big Willie is going to change his mind. Peterson thinks Big Willie hates training camp and might change his mind later.

Hmm. Peterson didn’t want anything to interfere with season-ticket sales. He didn’t want to spend the whole offseason listening to experts speculate about what the Chiefs would do to fix their offensive line.

You can’t fix the hole Roaf created. A tackle combination of Jordan Black and Kyle Turley is a far cry from Roaf and Anybody.

Can the Chiefs still make the playoffs? Yes, they can sneak in as a wild card. But they’re no longer a legitimate Super Bowl threat. Not unless Hali and Law turn <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kansas City</st1:place></st1:City>’s defense into a real strength.

This news is a just a terrible kick in the gut. I’m more sad than mad.

=========================================

Old man Whitlock seems to be calling out the organization. In effect, he's saying the organization is screwing the fans, That outfit has not had the vision, imagination, fortitude or intelligence to put anything more than an average, sputtering, bland team on the field. That would be Perterson's doing, with hwhom whitlock has an........(adversarial?) .....relationship. Actually, I think Whitlock thinks Peterson is a buffoon.......


Isn't life grand?

[24champ]

poor poor mullets...

[Crushaholic]

But they’re no longer a legitimate Super Bowl threat.

What makes Whitlock think they were a "legitimate Super Bowl threat" BEFORE this announcement? Where has he been the last 30+ years?ROFL!

[Paladin]

poor poor mullets...

Rep for truth...

Ha!

[12th man]

Optimism grinds to halt

JASON WHITLOCK
The ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.orangemane.com/BB/ /><st1:City w:st=<st1:place w:st="on">Kansas City</st1:place></st1:City> Star

Guess we can thank Willie Roaf for Ty Law, Kyle Turley and Tamba Hali’s on-time-for-camp signing.

Things were going much too smoothly at Arrowhead Stadium this summer for something really terrible not to be driving Carl Peterson’s actions. Now we know: Arguably the Chiefs’ most valuable player had told Peterson and coach Herm Edwards that his playing career is over.

And now everything makes sense. The Chiefs dusted off Kyle Turley, sweet-talked Ty Law and paid Tamba Hali to mask the stink of Roaf retiring.

Problem is, we’re just not that stupid. Roaf’s exit puts a dark cloud on what previously had been the most anticipated <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kansas City</st1:place></st1:City> football season since the 1998 disaster.

My optimism has been replaced by fear — fear of Trent Green getting steamrolled by defensive ends traveling the Jordan Black Expressway to quarterbacks. Green is an iron man. He’s played five years and 80 regular-season games without missing a start. It’s difficult to imagine that streak continuing with Roaf at home awaiting his invitation to <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Canton</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Ohio</st1:State></st1:place>.

Anyone holding out hope that Priest Holmes might decide to return needs to let that fantasy go. Holmes would be foolish to play this season without Roaf. Nope. Let Larry Johnson carry that burden. He’s young and desiring a megacontract. He can take the hits.

Oh, it’s going to be MartyBall all the way this season. Edwards has no choice. The Chiefs will have pass-protection problems, receiver Eddie Kennison isn’t happy with his contract, and Al Saunders’ imagination is now in our nation’s capital.

New offensive coordinator Mike Solari is going to pound the football. The Chiefs will try to control the clock and play solid defense.

I don’t have a problem with that plan. I just question whether they have the depth to pull it off. Remember, there’s no depth behind Johnson. Tony Richardson plays in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Minnesota</st1:place></st1:State>. Will Shields is old. And the Chiefs are still banking on Ryan Sims improving their defensive front four.

This is an absolute disaster. What’s worse is Roaf’s explanation for retiring. He said his body was worn out by four years of being locked in Dick Vermeil’s boot camp in-season and offseason programs.

Vermeil’s marathon practices shortened the career of one of the best offensive tackles in the history of the game. Roaf said his body didn’t feel right in May, and he let Peterson and Edwards know he was going to retire. Roaf said he even filed his retirement paperwork.

Of course, Peterson failed to share this bit of information with us. Peterson thinks Big Willie is going to change his mind. Peterson thinks Big Willie hates training camp and might change his mind later.

Hmm. Peterson didn’t want anything to interfere with season-ticket sales. He didn’t want to spend the whole offseason listening to experts speculate about what the Chiefs would do to fix their offensive line.

You can’t fix the hole Roaf created. A tackle combination of Jordan Black and Kyle Turley is a far cry from Roaf and Anybody.

Can the Chiefs still make the playoffs? Yes, they can sneak in as a wild card. But they’re no longer a legitimate Super Bowl threat. Not unless Hali and Law turn <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kansas City</st1:place></st1:City>’s defense into a real strength.

This news is a just a terrible kick in the gut. I’m more sad than mad.

=========================================

Old man Whitlock seems to be calling out the organization. In effect, he's saying the organization is screwing the fans, That outfit has not had the vision, imagination, fortitude or intelligence to put anything more than an average, sputtering, bland team on the field. That would be Perterson's doing, with hwhom whitlock has an........(adversarial?) .....relationship. Actually, I think Whitlock thinks Peterson is a buffoon.......


Isn't life grand?

Yup, the Chiefs are going nowhere this season. 8')