Unfathomable hate... (Image)

[Taco John]

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[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's very real to me, easy to believe since I've been watching it for years (over there). Kids not even in their teen years carrying weapons and preparing to kill.

[RMT]

Perhaps "mhgaffney" will find some way to justify the pic and how appropriate it is. I'm anxiously awaiting his "intelligent analysis."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Perhaps "mhgaffney" will find some way to justify the pic and how appropriate it is. I'm anxiously awaiting his "intelligent analysis."

It's kind of hard to "justify" or to comment one way or another when all you have is a pic with no story behind it, no context, etc.

[enjolras]

No joke... I don't see hate here, I see fear.

[RMT]

It's kind of hard to "justify" or to comment one way or another when all you have is a pic with no story behind it, no context, etc.

good point, LA.

[W*GS]

Jews managed to survive (at least) one attempt to exterminate them. They're not going to let it happen again.

Despite what Jew-hating lefty radicals like LABF attempt to rationalize away...

[Rigs11]

Jews managed to survive (at least) one attempt to exterminate them. They're not going to let it happen again.

Despite what Jew-hating lefty radicals like LABF attempt to rationalize away...
Hey Wigged, are you jewish?

[Spider]

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I dont know I could see W*Gs showing up at LABF door with one of those

[RunByDesign]

It's apparent that this woman is caught in the cycle of violence that envelopes her environment.

If your country or people were caught in a never-ending cycle of violence with it's neighbor, this could be your Grandma.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's apparent that this woman is caught in the cycle of violence that envelopes her environment.

If your country or people were caught in a never-ending cycle of violence with it's neighbor, this could be your Grandma.

If it wasnt Israel, it would be Syria. If it wasnt Syria, it would be Egypt. If it wasnt Egypt, it would be Ethiopia. On and on.

I have heard many people reference the argument for original domain in this battle. The Jews had it, then the Palestines had it, then the Jews had it, and so on. The problem is, that the middle east has been a battleground for warring land-hungry tribes for thousands of years. These people have animosity bred into them. They are taught that their father was moved out of the land by Abraham, and that they have birthright to the land.

To make matters worse, these people have formed no stable government in the thousands of years that they have destroyed one another.

[fdf]

If it wasnt Israel, it would be Syria. If it wasnt Syria, it would be Egypt. If it wasnt Egypt, it would be Ethiopia. On and on.

I have heard many people reference the argument for original domain in this battle. The Jews had it, then the Palestines had it, then the Jews had it, and so on. The problem is, that the middle east has been a battleground for warring land-hungry tribes for thousands of years. These people have animosity bred into them. They are taught that their father was moved out of the land by Abraham, and that they have birthright to the land.

To make matters worse, these people have formed no stable government in the thousands of years that they have destroyed one another.

Actually, the Ottoman empire was one of the longest lived empires in history. It emerged from Turkey in the 1300's and at its height, it controlled the entire middle east, Turkey, much of Eastern Europe and almost all of North Africa. It's accomplishments have been greatly overstated in the interests of modern political correctness. But it lasted a long time and was only dismantled after it took the wrong side in WWI and was occupied by England and France. During the dark ages in Europe, it was certainly a more civilized place than Europe--not that that's saying much.

It was the Ottoman Empire that came close to conquering all of Europe from the east and against whom the crusades were mounted. In fact, the famous siege of Vienna was won by Europeans only by accident and, had that gone the other way, Europe would likely be Muslim.

It was the Ottoman incursions into Eastern Europe that have lead to the current Muslim problem there (the Bosnia war was fought in part to prevent the genocide of the Muslim population in the Balkans, who had pissed off their neighbors--gross oversimplification alert here).

But then England had it's little industrial revolution and the Ottoman empire was relegated to being the 'sick man of Europe' by the 19th century. Unlike the rest of Europe, Muslims never got how to do an industrial revolution and differential rates of economic growth inevitably doomed the Ottomans to be a stagnant backwater.

Part of the disaster that is the middle east today comes from configuration of the countries that got created by the European powers after WWI. (Iraq is a good example--it never should have been a unified country). The rest of the disaster comes from the fact that Islam never had a reformation or an enlightment period, there was never a Magna Carta, and they never developed the infrastructure for a modern economy--private property, land recordation, neutral courts, enforceable contracts etc. Once the centralized Ottoman control was lifted, much of the middle east reverted to warlordism presided over by western european powers. Then WWII came along and the European countries were forced to give up their colonies (mostly by the US).

By western standards, a completely dysfunctional culture then started trying to rule itself and was none too successful. Then came oil and the rich got rich but the culture stayed the same.

IMHO, much of the resentment there of the West comes from the fact that, not too long ago, they were the superpower of the known world. Their religion tell them that they are supposed to rule the entire world. Yet today, they are impotent and noone cares about them until they fly planes into buildings. It's sort of a negative attention sort of thing. The other big problem is that they like their culture (at least the men do) and they see it succumbing to Western culture. TV, radio, the internet are tearing a fundamentally 7th century culture to shreds and many are furious at being abruptly forced into the 21st century. Unfortunately, western technology allows them to strike at the impinging West in ways that were inconceivable 100 years ago.

I'm not sure anyone can do much about the fundamental problem. We are who we are--we have TV and the internet and women who wear hot pants and women who run fortune 500 companies. They are who they are and hate those aspects of our culture. Either they destroy the West or their culture is forceably adapted to the 21st century. The transition period is going to be long and painful for everyone.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...Despite what Jew-hating lefty radicals like LABF attempt to rationalize away...

Hilarious!

It must be confusing to be a neocon these days.

Do I call people like Sam Seder and Marc Maron "Jew-hating lefty radicals" too?

:laugh:

You can tell W*GS' shelf life in this kind of debate has expired when he resorts to deliberately confusing his opponents' takes on Zionism with their views on Judaism.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I dont know I could see W*Gs showing up at LABF door with one of those

:D

He would have most likely received it as a Chrismas gift from Ted Nugent.

[mhgaffney]

Perhaps "mhgaffney" will find some way to justify the pic and how appropriate it is. I'm anxiously awaiting his "intelligent analysis."

RMT: Check out my recent posts on the board -- the interview with Uri Avnery and the article about the Belgian Jewish leader.

I agree thst the initial Hezbollah border raid was very foolish -- but did that justify this war? Of course not.

Did any one notice that the Hezbollah rocket attacks only came two days after Israel began bombing Lebanon's airport, industries, seaport, schools, bridges, roads, infrastructure including electric power plants??? No one seems to have noticed.

Hezbollah's original raid and capture of two Isaeli solders was never about destroying Israel. It was clearly an attempt to take the pressure off the Palestinians in Gaza, which Israel has been collectively punishing in recent weeks -- though this is not being reported. In fact Israel's treatment of Gaza is comparable to the collective punishment the Nazis meted out to the Jews trapped in the Warsaw ghetto in WW II. How ironic.

Israel's aerial war obviously was planned long ago. Every target was preplanned. They knew excactly what they wanted to hit. No mistakes. The goal was to take the country back 50 years. Why such a strategy?

In the last couple of years Lebanon's economy had begun to rebound from Israel's last invasion in 1982 -- and from years of civil strife. Prosperity was returning. Things were looking up agan. But Israel cannot allow this. It must keep its neighbor barely alive -- on life support -- because that makes Israel stronger. This is the Machiavellian way the Zionist mind thinks. It is not acceptable -- not the policy of a civilized nation.

This is what the Belgian Jewish leader is talking about. These are war crimes. No wonder the support for Hezbollah in Lebanon is now 87%, including even many Christians.

Israel will gain nothing from this horrible war but the enmity of the world. And they will richly deserve it.

And our America, which could be the key player for peace, is now lined up solidly behind the aggressor, Israel.

The really scary thing is that Israel resorted to war not as a last resort, but as a knee jerk first resort. This does not bode well for the future. MHG

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Greg Palast nailed it here:


- Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's approval rating in June was down to a Bush-level of 35%. But today, Olmert's poll numbers among Israeli voters have more than doubled to 78% as he does his bloody John Wayne "cleanin' out the varmints" routine. But let's not forget: Olmert can't pee-pee without George Bush's approval. Bush can stop Olmert tomorrow. He hasn't.

- Hezbollah, a political party rejected overwhelmingly by Lebanese voters sickened by their support of the Syrian occupation, holds a mere 14 seats out of 128 in the nation's parliament. Hezbollah was facing demands by both Lebanon's non-Shia majority and the United Nations to lay down arms. Now, few Lebanese would suggest taking away their rockets. But let's not forget: Without Iran, Hezbollah is just a fundamentalist street gang. Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can stop Hezbollah's rockets tomorrow. He hasn't.

- Hamas, just days before it kidnapped and killed Israeli soldiers, was facing certain political defeat at the hands of the Palestinian majority ready to accept the existence of Israel as proposed in a manifesto for peace talks penned by influential Palestinian prisoners. Now the Hamas rocket brigade is back in charge. But let's not forget: Hamas is broke and a joke without the loot and authority of Saudi Arabia. King Abdullah can stop these guys tomorrow. He hasn't.

Why not? Why haven't what we laughably call "leaders" of the USA, Iran and Saudi Arabia called back their delinquent spawn, cut off their allowances and grounded them for six months?

Maybe because mayhem and murder in the Middle East are very, very profitable to the sponsors of these characters with bombs and rockets. America, Iran and Saudi Arabia share one thing in common: they are run by oil regimes. The higher the price of crude, the higher the profits and the happier the presidents and princelings of these petroleum republics.

This Thursday, Exxon is expected to report the highest second-quarter earnings of any corporation since the days of the Pharaoh, $9.9 billion in pure profit collected in just three months -- courtesy of an oil shortage caused by pipelines on fire in Iraq, warlord attacks in Nigeria, the lingering effects of the sabotage of Venezuela's oil system by a 2002 strike... the list could go on.

Exxon's brobdingnagian profits simply reflect the cold axiom that oil companies and oil states don't make their loot by finding oil but by finding trouble. Finding oil increases supply. Increased supply means decreased price. Whereas finding trouble -- wars, coup d'etats, hurricanes, whatever can disrupt supply -- raises the price of oil.

And here:


We are trained to think of Middle Eastern conflicts as just modern flare-ups of ancient tribal animosities. But to uncover why the flames won't die, the usual rule applies: follow the money.

Am I saying that Tehran, Riyadh and Houston oil chieftains conspired to ignite a war to boost their petroleum profits? I can't imagine it. But I do wonder if Bush would let Olmert have an extra week of bombings, or if the potentates of the Persian Gulf would allow Hamas and Hezbollah to continue their deadly fireworks if it caused the price of crude to crash. You know and I know that if this war took a bite out of Exxon or the House of Saud, a ceasefire would be imposed quicker than you can say, "Let's drill in the Arctic."

http://www.gregpalast.com/blood-in-beirut-7505-a-barrel

[NOLA Bronco]

RMT: Check out my recent posts on the board -- the interview with Uri Avnery and the article about the Belgian Jewish leader.

I agree thst the initial Hezbollah border raid was very foolish -- but did that justify this war? Of course not.

Did any one notice that the Hezbollah rocket attacks only came two days after Israel began bombing Lebanon's airport, industries, seaport, schools, bridges, roads, infrastructure including electric power plants??? No one seems to have noticed.

Hezbollah's original raid and capture of two Isaeli solders was never about destroying Israel. It was clearly an attempt to take the pressure off the Palestinians in Gaza, which Israel has been collectively punishing in recent weeks -- though this is not being reported. In fact Israel's treatment of Gaza is comparable to the collective punishment the Nazis meted out to the Jews trapped in the Warsaw ghetto in WW II. How ironic.

Israel's aerial war obviously was planned long ago. Every target was preplanned. They knew excactly what they wanted to hit. No mistakes. The goal was to take the country back 50 years. Why such a strategy?

In the last couple of years Lebanon's economy had begun to rebound from Israel's last invasion in 1982 -- and from years of civil strife. Prosperity was returning. Things were looking up agan. But Israel cannot allow this. It must keep its neighbor barely alive -- on life support -- because that makes Israel stronger. This is the Machiavellian way the Zionist mind thinks. It is not acceptable -- not the policy of a civilized nation.

This is what the Belgian Jewish leader is talking about. These are war crimes. No wonder the support for Hezbollah in Lebanon is now 87%, including even many Christians.

Israel will gain nothing from this horrible war but the enmity of the world. And they will richly deserve it.

And our America, which could be the key player for peace, is now lined up solidly behind the aggressor, Israel.

The really scary thing is that Israel resorted to war not as a last resort, but as a knee jerk first resort. This does not bode well for the future. MHG

You crack me up.

Who frickin cares what a Progressive Jewish Leader in Belguim has to say. Why would Israel have such a strategy? Its called defending your country. When you share a border in that region, it helps to know in advance what to do first in the time of war. I would have been shocked if they didnt have a strategy.

To compare the ghettos in Poland to Gaza is laughable, and sad. People who don't actually understand the Holocaust like to throw out these kind of comparisons.


This is the Machiavellian way the Zionist mind thinks.

Really, you can speak for all Zionists now? It seems as though you are letting your dislike for a group of people show through your views.

[defenseman]

No joke... I don't see hate here, I see fear.

LOL ...this, does not suprise me..dman

[Rohirrim]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14066288/site/newsweek/

Here's an interesting take.

[defenseman]

I'm not sure anyone can do much about the fundamental problem. We are who we are--we have TV and the internet and women who wear hot pants and women who run fortune 500 companies. They are who they are and hate those aspects of our culture. Either they destroy the West or their culture is forceably adapted to the 21st century. The transition period is going to be long and painful for everyone.

Ergo, the world puts them on report. Adapt, or die. Simple as that. The world will not accept the islamic extremists way of life anymore. It will though, take the entire world to climb on board before this happens. Once done, they'll have to stand down permanently or pay the price. Iran knows this, another reason why they are pushing the "nuke now" mentality. I'm just hoping, they don't get one from N. Korea. That would be a disaster. Those two countries are spending way too much time together..dman

[W*GS]

Hey Wigged, are you jewish?

Nope.

[W*GS]

You can tell W*GS' shelf life in this kind of debate has expired when he resorts to deliberately confusing his opponents' takes on Zionism with their views on Judaism.

Your history betrays you.

[Smiling Assassin27]

i see resignation and resolve at the same time in that lady's eyes. resigned to having to continue fighting but resolve to do so.

[Hotrod]

Just another one of the "partners in peace" that the international community keeps trying to shove down Israels face.

[Mile High Shack]

i see resignation and resolve at the same time in that lady's eyes. resigned to having to continue fighting but resolve to do so.

I see a photoshop

[enjolras]

Actually, the Ottoman empire was one of the longest lived empires in history. It emerged from Turkey in the 1300's and at its height, it controlled the entire middle east, Turkey, much of Eastern Europe and almost all of North Africa. It's accomplishments have been greatly overstated in the interests of modern political correctness. But it lasted a long time and was only dismantled after it took the wrong side in WWI and was occupied by England and France. During the dark ages in Europe, it was certainly a more civilized place than Europe--not that that's saying much.

*snipped for brevity*

Spot on..

[alkemical]

i see....

absurdity