Quitterson threatening to quit on the Chiefs (M)

[SoCalBronco]

New deal wanted
Chiefs’ Kennison unhappy with contract and indicates he may leave camp if he can’t get raise or his release.

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Halfway through a six-year contract he signed in 2003, the Chiefs’ Eddie Kennison might have been able to live with the terms of the deal scheduled to pay him $2.1 million this season.

But offseason research by his agent, John Hamilton, showed Kennison to have the 45th-highest 2006 salary among the NFL’s 64 starting wide receivers. One of Kennison’s closest peers in terms of age and recent performance, Dallas’ Terry Glenn, recently received a lucrative contract extension.

Closer to home, the Chiefs just signed free-agent cornerback Ty Law to a five-year, $30 million deal.

Suddenly, Kennison’s contract isn’t as attractive, and this week he decided to do something about it.

Kennison said he would report to training camp with the Chiefs in time for the first practice Friday at the University of Wisconsin-River Falls. But he also indicated he might leave camp at some point if the Chiefs don’t either give him a new contract with a raise or release him.

“I will cross that bridge when I get to it,” Kennison said. “I will go to camp and work as hard as I’ve been working. I won’t have any bitter or sour attitudes in camp. …

“But when I signed my last contract with the Chiefs, I think we all know that if I hadn’t performed to expectations, I wouldn’t be here anymore. Well, I played beyond those expectations. Now it’s time for them to step up and compensate me for my performance compared to the guys in my peer group.

“I would hope the Chiefs would put me on waivers if they don’t want to step to the plate.”

The loss of Kennison would be a huge blow to the Chiefs. Kennison, who had more than 1,000 receiving yards in each of the last two seasons, is their only established wide receiver.

Samie Parker, the other starter, has shown promise — but between injuries and inconsistencies he hasn’t put together a full season. The other receivers are Dante Hall, whose value to the Chiefs has been as a kick-returner, and a collection of unproven younger players.

Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson did not respond to a request to answer questions on Kennison’s situation.

Kennison, who joined the Chiefs in 2001, is quietly becoming one of the franchise’s all-time receiving leaders. He ranks in the top 10 in virtually every major career receiving category. Only Kennison and Carlos Carson have put together back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons.

Kennison received about $6.6 million, including a signing bonus of $3.2 million, in the first three years of his current contract.

“The problem is that when Eddie signed that contract, the Chiefs had already paid Johnnie Morton to be their No. 1 receiver,” Hamilton said. “Eddie’s contract was not set up for him to be the No. 1 guy. It was set up for him to be the No. 2 guy. That deal is OK but not great with respect to a No. 2 receiver, but not a No. 1 receiver.”

Morton, a big-money free-agent addition in 2002, flopped and was released last year. Meanwhile, Kennison not only outplayed Morton, but his contract figures are being blown away in the current market.

For example, two players with inferior statistics to Kennison recently received exorbitant free-agent contracts. New England’s David Givens signed with Tennessee for $15.3 million over the next three seasons while Pittsburgh’s Antwaan Randle El signed with Washington for $11.2 million over the next two.

Kennison’s current contract calls for him to receive about $4.8 million over the next two seasons and $8.2 million over the next three. Kennison last season had more catches (68), yards (1,102) and touchdowns (five) than either Givens or Randle El.

“We can’t ignore what the marketplace has done,” Hamilton said.

The Chiefs might be hesitant to give big money to a 33-year-old wide receiver. If that’s their stance, it’s understandable. Kennison is at an age when players at his position tend to lose their skills rapidly.

“That is what they’ve told me is their concern,” Hamilton said. “But there are ways to give them some protection in case Eddie’s production falls way off.”

The Chiefs’ signing of the 32-year-old Law added to Kennison’s frustration

“I know Ty Law,” he said. “He’s a friend, and I’m excited he’s here. But, yeah, it’s a source of frustration. When you’ve been a part of an organization for some time, I think those guys in that organization need to be taken care of first.”

Kennison and Hamilton first contacted the Chiefs in the spring. Talks have been ongoing but fruitless.

Kennison initially thought about not reporting for camp. After discussions with his wife, Shimika, and Hamilton, Kennison decided against it.

His decision to report doesn’t necessarily mean he’s in it for the long haul.

“I have a responsibility to this organization and the 53 guys I dress with, so it came up quickly that I was not going to miss camp,” Kennison said. “I’m not a selfish, flashy kind of guy. I just want the world to know what’s going on with my situation.

“I love being a Kansas City Chief. I want to be here for the rest of my career. The Chiefs have not said they won’t take care of me. Carl has indicated to my agent they are willing to do something. We just need to get to a point where both parties are happy. Obviously, we’re not to that point yet, and I don’t think we’re even close.”

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansa...fs/15131057.htm

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What a surprise. ROFL!

[SoCalBronco]

Belee dat, Bob.

[ZachKC]

Sounds like it will get taken care of...

“I have a responsibility to this organization and the 53 guys I dress with, so it came up quickly that I was not going to miss camp,” Kennison said. “I’m not a selfish, flashy kind of guy. I just want the world to know what’s going on with my situation.

“I love being a Kansas City Chief. I want to be here for the rest of my career. The Chiefs have not said they won’t take care of me. Carl has indicated to my agent they are willing to do something. We just need to get to a point where both parties are happy. Obviously, we’re not to that point yet, and I don’t think we’re even close.”

[Clockwork Orange]

The Chargers need to get themselves an unhappy receiver or else they're going to feel left out. Everyone else in the division has one.

[ClevelandBronco]

Eddie has always known how to say the things he needs to say, i.e., the things that make him sound like a victim rather than a malcontent.

This time's different. This time I'll enjoy his act.

[boltaneer]

The Chargers need to get themselves an unhappy receiver or else they're going to feel left out. Everyone else in the division has one.

Well, we kind of had one in McCardell but that anger was directed at Tampa.

We have a disgruntled Donnie Edwards though, so that kind of makes up for it I guess. ;)

[Clockwork Orange]

How about a bizarre three way trade?

Oakland gets Quittison
KC gets Lelie
Denver gets Porter

It'd spice things up a bit. ;D

[69bronco]

it always pisses me off when crappy players want big time contracts... But toast law set the bar over at NFL's retirement home.

[Blueflame]

LOL No team deserves Quitterson more than the Chefs. He can't leave KC 'cause I want the chance to "boo" him once more in Denver in September.

[Kaylore]

The Chargers need to get themselves an unhappy receiver or else they're going to feel left out. Everyone else in the division has one.
LOL Rep. So true. The year of disgruntled wideouts in AFC West.

[ClevelandBronco]

[Zach:] Sounds like it will get taken care of...

[Quitterson:] “…I don’t think we’re even close.”

Yeah. The two sides sound like they're in virtual agreement.

[Crushaholic]

The Chargers need to get themselves an unhappy receiver or else they're going to feel left out. Everyone else in the division has one.

The big difference is that Quitterson is all the Chiefs have. I don't see them converting Dante Hall into a full-time receiver after Lynch knocked the stuffings out of him...Ha!

[Kaylore]

You know the guy is halfway to 34 years old. I'm willing to bet he sees the horizon and wants to get paid as he finishes off his career.

Well, we kind of had one in McCardell but that anger was directed at Tampa.
Actually three teams all got disgruntled but highly productive receivers in the last two years: McCardell, Moss, Walker. Weird how our division teams all mirror each other.

[Florida_Bronco]

Quick! Someone find the post where Bob said Eddie would never quit on his team!

This is great news, especially after we've listened to KC fans come here and defend Quitterson since I've been here and probably longer.

[fdf]

Weird how our division teams all mirror each other.

But not in playoff games played :)

[crazyhorse]

Didn't you folks just reward a quitter (Walker) with a fat contract? One with Lelie type numbers? Hilarious!



Donko fans....I love you retards.

[Florida_Bronco]

Didn't you folks just reward a quitter (Walker) with a fat contract? One with Lelie type numbers? Hilarious!



Donko fans....I love you retards.

Walker never held out of training camp, IIRC. As far as the contract goes, from my understanding, it is setup where we can release him without much of a hit should he not perform to expectations.

[crazyhorse]

Walker never held out of training camp, IIRC. As far as the contract goes, from my understanding, it is setup where we can release him without much of a hit should he not perform to expectations.

Walker threatened hold out last season but decided to show up for camp and was injured. Then threatened to hold out this season. That's why GB dealt him.

In light of that, Bronco fans should be wondering why Planny gave a busted up malcontent the money the malcontent currently on your roster was asking for.

If anything, Walker is a prime example of the reason why a player should be willing to sit in order to negotiate fair market value. By showing up for camp during negotiations last season, it cost Walker a great deal of money, and negotiating leverage.

Also Denver is a prime example in that when a player performs at a level asked of them, Denver dumps them and gives thier salary to someone else from another team. Portis is an example of that. He was asked to perform at a certain level and his contract would be renegotiated. When he did that he was traded away and his salary was handed to Bailey. And then some. With that lack of loyalty from a team like Denver, it sends a message to the rest of the NFL. Lelie is another example of Denver handing a salary to someone from another team. Walker and Lelie are similar in prodution since entering the league. However, even after major knee surgery Walker somehow has earned a better deal from the Broncos while Lelie without surgeries is not worthy.

For the record, I dont feel like either Walker or Lelie is worth more money. While EK is playing below market value. That said, I don't feel like EK should get a big contract due to his age. But should perhaps have a few incentives negotiated into his current deal.

[Garcia Bronco]

not a surprise given his priors, but as aknown flounderer...he'll probably quit on his demands too.

[Beantown Bronco]

[QUOTE=Kaylore]You know the guy is halfway to 34 years old. I'm willing to bet he sees the horizon and wants to get paid as he finishes off his career.
QUOTE]

Now Kaylore....just because the guy probably never finished high school doesn't necessarily mean he's only 17 yrs old.....

[Beantown Bronco]

Walker and Lelie are similar in prodution since entering the league.

Are you serious? Walker has 22 TDs to Lelie's 12. And Walker has done that while playing in 16 fewer games than Lelie. It's not even close really.

[Florida_Bronco]

Walker threatened hold out last season but decided to show up for camp and was injured. Then threatened to hold out this season. That's why GB dealt him.

In light of that, Bronco fans should be wondering why Planny gave a busted up malcontent the money the malcontent currently on your roster was asking for.

If anything, Walker is a prime example of the reason why a player should be willing to sit in order to negotiate fair market value. By showing up for camp during negotiations last season, it cost Walker a great deal of money, and negotiating leverage.

Also Denver is a prime example in that when a player performs at a level asked of them, Denver dumps them and gives thier salary to someone else from another team. Portis is an example of that. He was asked to perform at a certain level and his contract would be renegotiated. When he did that he was traded away and his salary was handed to Bailey. And then some. With that lack of loyalty from a team like Denver, it sends a message to the rest of the NFL. Lelie is another example of Denver handing a salary to someone from another team. Walker and Lelie are similar in prodution since entering the league. However, even after major knee surgery Walker somehow has earned a better deal from the Broncos while Lelie without surgeries is not worthy.

For the record, I dont feel like either Walker or Lelie is worth more money. While EK is playing below market value. That said, I don't feel like EK should get a big contract due to his age. But should perhaps have a few incentives negotiated into his current deal.

Those are all good points. The only thing I disagree with was the part about Lelie wanting to be paid. While I do think he is worried about not getting paid when he hits free agency, he hasn't made any demands for more money with the Broncos. He's always said it was about being the #1 receiver.

I was (and still am) pretty leary of the Walker trade, but I think after his breakout season in 2004, he had the right to ask for higher pay. 89 catches for 1382 yards and 12 touchdowns is big time production. Again, my understanding of his contract is that we can cut him after this season with little to no ramifications, should he not produce like he needs to.

The Portis situation I believe was a case of going with a bigger need. Portis deserved to get a pay increase, but it's been said alot of the players and coaches were sick of his antics, so we used him to trade for the best cornerback in the league and a 2nd round pick (which I still believe was a major coup). When you look at some of our luck with defensive backs, and our luck with running backs, I think it made sense to take that chance.

[crazyhorse]

Are you serious? Walker has 22 TDs to Lelie's 12. And Walker has done that while playing in 16 fewer games than Lelie. It's not even close really.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3548
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3547

Yeah, I'm serious.

The difference between the two players has been that Walker had one good season by default when the WRs in front of him were injured. Lelie almost had as good a season as a #2 behind Smith.

That said, I wont go on record as to say that niether will be good WRs in the future. But that as of today niether has established himself to be better than the other.

[Cool Breeze]

“I would hope the Chiefs would put me on waivers if they don’t want to step to the plate.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Samie Parker, the other starter, has shown promise — but between injuries and inconsistencies he hasn’t put together a full season. The other receivers are Dante Hall, whose value to the Chiefs has been as a kick-returner, and a collection of unproven younger players.

It will be another sucky year for the chorfs.

[Cool Breeze]

This is really all the chorf fans have. I mean really, what do they have to show for their efforts...

Hope is an emotional belief (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief) in the possibility of positive outcomes related to events (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event) and circumstances (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstances) within one's personal life. Hope implies a certain amount of perseverance (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/perseverance) — i.e., believing that something is possible even when there is some evidence to the contrary. Beyond the basic definition, usage of the term hope follows some basic patterns which distinguish its usage from related terms:

Hope is subordinate to faith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith), in that while hope is emotional, faith carries a divinely (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity)-inspired and informed form of positive belief. Hope is typically contrasted with despair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despair), and because despair connotes an ignorance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance) of religious faith, hope likewise carries a connotation being aware of spiritual truth. (In some religions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion), despair itself is considered to be a sin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin) - See also Hope (virtue) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_%28virtue%29)).
Hope is more emotional and less intellectual than optimism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism), which refers to an a positive attitude, as based on rationality. But hope and optimism both can be based in unrealistic belief, or fantasy.
Hope is distinct from positive thinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_thinking), which refers to a therapeutic or systematic process used in psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) for reversing pessimism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pessimism).
The term false hope refers to a hope based entirely around a fantasy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy) or an extremely unlikely outcome.Examples of hopes include hoping to get rich, hoping for someone to be cured of a disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease), hoping to be done with a term paper, or hoping that a person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person) has reciprocal feelings of love (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_love). An example of false hope would be hoping for the ability to fly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight).
Hope was personified in Greek mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology) as Elpis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elpis). When Pandora (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_%28mythology%29) opened Pandora's Box (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora%27s_Box), she let out all the evils except one: Hope. Apparently the Greeks considered Hope to be as dangerous as all the world's evils. But without hope to accompany all their troubles, humanity was filled with despair. It was a great relief when Pandora revisited her box and let out hope as well

[brncs_fan]

“I have a responsibility to this organization and the 53 guys I dress with, so it came up quickly that I was not going to miss camp,” Kennison said. “I’m not a selfish, flashy kind of guy. I just want the world to know what’s going on with my situation.

Translation:

Ty Law may sell more jerseys than me so i need to get my name back out there and maybe get some more money in the process.

[ROYC75]

Business as usual........... that's life in the NFL.

FTR, they will pay him, somehow. Even if they have to ask Bolen and Shanny how to cheat the cap !:wiggle:

[Orange_Beard]

He should wait till the season starts to quit.
This guy is a pu$$y.

[Florida_Bronco]

Translation:

Ty Law may sell more jerseys than me so i need to get my name back out there and maybe get some more money in the process.

Another possible translation:

"Other than the fact that I am their only legitimate receiver, I had no real leverage with the Chiefs, so I'm hoping there will be a public outcry to pay me and the Chiefs will buckle under the pressure.

[brncs_fan]

Even if they have to ask Bolen and Shanny how to cheat the cap !:wiggle:
:troll:

[Broncojef]

It would be fitting if Quitterson called it quits the night before the Bronco game this year with some lame excuse about...Hilarious!

[bronco militia]

Didn't you folks just reward a quitter (Walker) with a fat contract? One with Lelie type numbers? Hilarious!



.

Walker hasn't been payed yet

that 'fat contract' is an option for the Broncos in 2007...

[ROYC75]

This is nothing new, NFL players have been doing this for years. Either pay him or don't and move on. I've seen Will Shields, Tony G and Priest Holmes do it over the years. Not to mention countless other players around the NFL.

Some players have ego's the size of Texas, while some perform at a high level, some do not. Jealousy runs amuck in the NFL. Players are cry babies at best some times.......

EK has made his demands know earlier this year, no contract has been made. Typical leverage by a player or his agent, take it to the press, try to make the team look bad.

We all love our football, we just hate the business side of it at times.

[Gcver2ver3]

i hope he retires....and then unretires and joins the chargers by week 3

[ICON]

http://www.internetcash.com/en/images/baby-crying.jpg

After reading that rectum-ripping lil baby cry ,I thank God we Have Rod

“But when I signed my last contract with the Chiefs, I think we all know that if I hadn’t performed to expectations, I wouldn’t be here anymore. Well, I played beyond those expectations. Now it’s time for them to step up and compensate me for my performance compared to the guys in my peer group"

“I would hope the Chiefs would put me on waivers if they don’t want to step to the plate.” I 4 one wonder how even Quitterson can watch himself on tape and not go “Man, I AM A ****ing Moron.”

How the **** can you say **** like that! What candy assHilarious!

[ROYC75]

http://www.internetcash.com/en/images/baby-crying.jpg

After reading that rectum-ripping lil baby cry ,I thank God we Have Rod





How the **** can you say **** like that! What candy assHilarious!

You do understand that you just described the majority of NFL players ?

Look around, this is nothing new, it's all over the NFL, every year, it's somebody somewhere.........

[clarker]

Didn't you folks just reward a quitter (Walker) with a fat contract? One with Lelie type numbers? Hilarious!



Donko fans....I love you retards.Walker never held out of training camp. He never walked out the night before a game after not giving that team a reason.

Walker wanted a new deal. Didn't get one went to camp. Played got, then got hurt.

How you can try to compare Walker to Quitterson or even a guy like Lelie is beyond me. Oh, wait your a Chiefs fan. ;D

[Tredici]

Good for Eddie. I hope Carl caves and gives him that number one receiver money. Lock up that roster spot good and tight for the next several years.

[redrage]

How you can try to compare Walker to Quitterson or even a guy like Lelie is beyond me. Oh, wait your a Chiefs fan. ;D
You're right. Aside from Walker's TD production, the numbers aren't even close.

2002-2005

Kennison 239 rec., 3947 yards, 20 TDs
Walker 157 rec., 2444 yards, 22 TDs
Lelie 168 rec., 3007 yards, 12 TDs

They all are malcontents, though. I'll give you that.

[Broncojef]

I hope the Chefs see fit to give him a better contract than walker, that would be great. Keep your #2 receiver acting as a one overpaid and happy.

[Darkhawk24]

I'm all for that POS getting a new contract. The more money he steals from KC the less they can give to a deserving player.

[redrage]

I hope the Chefs see fit to give him a better contract than walker, that would be great. Keep your #2 receiver acting as a one overpaid and happy.
You may feel hope that KC will overpay for Kennison, but those numbers could also suggest that the Broncos overpaid for Walker.

[redrage]

I understand why you guys are having a hayday with this given his history with the Broncos FIVE YEARS ago, but is he acting any different than any other NFL receiver noawdays. Even Hines Ward pulled this stunt last season. It's a negoitating tactic. If he does sit out games, then you'd have some crow to dish out.

[bronco militia]

You may feel hope that KC will overpay for Kennison, but those numbers could also suggest that the Broncos overpaid for Walker.

the Broncos gave Walker $1 million bonus and is still playing under his old contract...they big money is contingent on his 2006 season.

[cutthemdown]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2531239

to bad for brownies this doesnt look good

[Phantom]

"Kennison, who joined the Chiefs in 2001, is quietly becoming one of the franchise’s all-time receiving leaders. He ranks in the top 10 in virtually every major career receiving category. Only Kennison and Carlos Carson have put together back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons."

Now that is some funny chit.:spit:

[Rohirrim]

“I’m not a selfish, flashy kind of guy...

I just want the world to know what’s going on with my situation."

I'm sure the world is deeply appreciative. I guess this is Eddie's pre-quit warm up.

[12th man]

“I have a responsibility to this organization and the 53 guys I dress with, so it came up quickly that I was not going to miss camp,” Kennison said. “I’m not a selfish, flashy kind of guy. I just want the world to know what’s going on with my situation.

bull sh1t. This is coming from a guy who quite a day before a game cause he didnt' want to play anymore, then goes and signs with another team. He has no sense of responsibilty, or loyalty to any organization, or his teamates.

[Banana Pants]

Here's an idea. Lelie for Kennison. ROFL!

[redrage]

bull sh1t. This is coming from a guy who quite a day before a game cause he didnt' want to play anymore, then goes and signs with another team. He has no sense of responsibilty, or loyalty to any organization, or his teamates.
Maybe he realized that after he got cut for worrying about his wife instead of the 53 guys in the locker room. Is it inconceivable to you that a guy can learn a lesson?

[Moon§hiner]

Too bad Clarett isn't still on our roster...I'd offer him in trade for Kennison.

[Florida_Bronco]

Maybe he realized that after he got cut for worrying about his wife instead of the 53 guys in the locker room. Is it inconceivable to you that a guy can learn a lesson?

Had he been straight with the Broncos when all that happened, he probably would still be on this team. What was going on with his wife didn't come out until after he had already landed in Kansas City.

[Sassy]

Had he been straight with the Broncos when all that happened, he probably would still be on this team. What was going on with his wife didn't come out until after he had already landed in Kansas City.
Exactly!

[ludo21]

Sounds like it will get taken care of...

“I have a responsibility to this organization and the 53 guys I dress with, so it came up quickly that I was not going to miss camp,” Kennison said. “I’m not a selfish, flashy kind of guy. I just want the world to know what’s going on with my situation.

“I love being a Kansas City Chief. I want to be here for the rest of my career. The Chiefs have not said they won’t take care of me. Carl has indicated to my agent they are willing to do something. We just need to get to a point where both parties are happy. Obviously, we’re not to that point yet, and I don’t think we’re even close.”

Yeah it sounds like much a do about nothing.

But we will see, I hope he doesnt show and pouts for a few weeks to screw the Chorfs.

[SNR_Chief]

Eddie deserves the money, since he's been playing the #1 spot while he was signed with being a #2 behind Morton in mind.

I'm not afraid of his age. He didn't exactly play hard for much of his career, since the first part of it was on the bench.

As for the Bronco fans mocking his age, you're forgetting that you've got Rod Smith as your #1, who is 2 years older than Kennison at 35. I don't see him deteriorating (that much) this season. That guy could probably play in this league well into his 40s.

Eddie takes care of himself and doesn't have an injured past. He'll be fine for awhile, even if he doesn't take a prominent role on our team for some of his later years.

[Steve Sewell]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3548
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3547

Yeah, I'm serious.

The difference between the two players has been that Walker had one good season by default when the WRs in front of him were injured. Lelie almost had as good a season as a #2 behind Smith.

That said, I wont go on record as to say that niether will be good WRs in the future. But that as of today niether has established himself to be better than the other.

Donald Driver seemed to be injured in 2004...lol:

| Antonio Chatman | 16 | 4 36 9.0 0 | 22 246 11.2 1 |
| Donald Driver | 16 | 3 4 1.3 0 | 84 1208 14.4 9 |
| Robert Ferguson | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 24 367 15.3 1 |
| Andrae Thurman | 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 2 12 6.0 0 |
| Javon Walker | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 89 1382 15.5 12

[Steve Sewell]

You're right. Aside from Walker's TD production, the numbers aren't even close.

2002-2005

Kennison 239 rec., 3947 yards, 20 TDs
Walker 157 rec., 2444 yards, 22 TDs
Lelie 168 rec., 3007 yards, 12 TDs

They all are malcontents, though. I'll give you that.

That's a fair comparison! Leave to a Chiefs fan to use stats to his point of view's advantage:

Kennison: Started all 64 games as a #1
Walker: Started 48 games, 17 as a #1 and 31 as a #2
Lelie: Started all 64 games as a #2 behind a HOF receiver

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This is nothing even close to quitting.

He deserves the money. He's out-performing his contract.

Pay him.

[Steve Sewell]

Maybe he realized that after he got cut for worrying about his wife instead of the 53 guys in the locker room. Is it inconceivable to you that a guy can learn a lesson?

Hmmm...that's not what he told Shanahan. He told Shanahan that he'd "lost his passion for the game". The players voted kick him off the team after he came crawling back. Do you think the players would have voted that way had they known about this? Gimme a break.

I like how he changed the story to suit his purposes. He only came out with this story after he found out that the Broncos would try to recoup a portion of his signing bonus.

And of course, Chief fans buy this load of garbage hook, line, and sinker :rofl:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You guys are reaching.

Kennison's not going to miss a single game this year because of this.

[Vegas_Bronco]

I think Lynch's biatch is just scared of how bad Ty will make him look - both at the end of their careers and Eddie just can't believe how stupid his financial decisions have been and now the whole team is gonna pay for my lack of financial intelligence and preparation - yeah, great team player!

Send this whiners to the CFL - Branch, Lelie, Quitterson, and Porter

[Car Ram Rod]

This is nothing even close to quitting.

He deserves the money. He's out-performing his contract.

Pay him.


That is true. He's getting paid for being a #2 WR but is playing and putting up numbers like he's a #1WR. And I also cant blame him for coming out and saying this right after the Chiefs dropped some dough for a 32yr old Ty Law.

[Moon§hiner]

I get the feeling that even money isnt going to make him happy now that Vermiel is gone....Herm isn't going to give him the loving that he requires. I say give him the money so they won't concentrate on developing a wide receiver yet again next year.

[broncosteven]

Eddie deserves the money, since he's been playing the #1 spot while he was signed with being a #2 behind Morton in mind.

I'm not afraid of his age. He didn't exactly play hard for much of his career, since the first part of it was on the bench.

As for the Bronco fans mocking his age, you're forgetting that you've got Rod Smith as your #1, who is 2 years older than Kennison at 35. I don't see him deteriorating (that much) this season. That guy could probably play in this league well into his 40s.

Eddie takes care of himself and doesn't have an injured past. He'll be fine for awhile, even if he doesn't take a prominent role on our team for some of his later years.


I agree the loser doesn't play hard at all, he only steps it up against the Broncos & picks up easy grabs when the D is looking to stop the run. He runs out of bounds & avoids tackles so I can see him playing another 5 years. I hope Hot Carl caves & pays him. Actually Hot Carl should because he is & has been their #1 since Morton left. I am surprised this nameless thing did not pull this stunt earlier as he only thinks about himself.

Funny how Chef fans spin this to "90% of NFL players act this way" when it is a Chef player or the great Chef #1 WR who shall remain nameless by me.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I have zero problem with any player doing this when they deserve it. GM's force players to take pay cuts all the time because they underperform. It works both ways.

[Mediator12]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3548
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3547

Yeah, I'm serious.

The difference between the two players has been that Walker had one good season by default when the WRs in front of him were injured. Lelie almost had as good a season as a #2 behind Smith.

That said, I wont go on record as to say that niether will be good WRs in the future. But that as of today niether has established himself to be better than the other.

I am not sure where you are going with this.

1. Walker was a #2 or #3 WR for most of that season in GB. He left the training camp as the #3 WR and Failed to start in four games that season, while playing all 16. What he did was routinely school the #2 and #3 CB's to the tune of a probowl season. There were five or six legitimate options in GB, but Walker caught the most balls. In contrast, Denver had three or four options if you count Putzier. Easy deduction says that Lelie should have gotten more looks than Walker if he could get open. Instead, he caught 30 less balls, 300 less yards, 23 fewer first downs, and five fewer TD's.

2. GB also did not get as many eight to nine man fronts that Denver did that season leaving Lelie one on one for the Majority of those catches. Lelie has 2 Red Zone TD's in four Years with Teams playing those fronts as well. Walker has 13 of his 22.

3. Walker had more third down completions for first downs in one year (24) than Lelie has had in his career (19). Lelie is a great option with PA on the early downs, but pretty worthless on third down over his career. Not so with Walker. He is a better fit for a WCO oriented passing attack than Lelie will ever be.

4. Before this gets to a Plummer Versus Favre argument, they were statistically the same QB for all intents and purposes that season.

[ZachKC]

bull sh1t. This is coming from a guy who quite a day before a game cause he didnt' want to play anymore, then goes and signs with another team. He has no sense of responsibilty, or loyalty to any organization, or his teamates.
Ya, it was that simple. Ha!

[ZachKC]

I have zero problem with any player doing this when they deserve it. GM's force players to take pay cuts all the time because they underperform. It works both ways.
I don't like it happening. But he does deserve it...

It will get taken care of and he will just have another good year. The guy makes a lot of clutch catches on 3rd down. He makes things happen.

I don't think he will be asking for an amount of money he knows he cant get...

[Moon§hiner]

I have zero problem with any player doing this when they deserve it. GM's force players to take pay cuts all the time because they underperform. It works both ways.
And some players restructure their contracts in order to give their team a chance to win when hopes are high for a possible championship run....that's what separates the Kennisons from the Rod Smiths.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Um...Kennison doesn't have a huge contract. There's no need for him to restructure. It's not like the Chiefs missed out on some free agent this year anyway because someone didn't restructure.

[ROYC75]

And some players restructure their contracts in order to give their team a chance to win when hopes are high for a possible championship run....


Kinda like Bolen and Shanny did for Elway, TD, Shannon, and so on .......

How many draft picks did you lose ?

[Moon§hiner]

true, but if he doesn't see hope for the season and realize that asking for more money right now does nothing that disrupts then I don't see him as looking out for the team. I see the window narrowing, not getting wider by signing an aging wide receiver just to pacify him.....and I do think he is not going to be as happy with Herm as he was with Vermiel...if it wasn't for the Dick, he would likely be out of the league or lost in the depth chart on a bottom feeder.

[Moon§hiner]

Kinda like Bolen and Shanny did for Elway, TD, Shannon, and so on .......

How many draft picks did you lose ?
yeah, that really sent us down to the bottom didn't it.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This isn't going to disrupt the team. It didn't disrupt the team when Priest Holmes did it.

[Car Ram Rod]

I don't like it happening. But he does deserve it...

It will get taken care of and he will just have another good year. The guy makes a lot of clutch catches on 3rd down. He makes things happen.

I don't think he will be asking for an amount of money he knows he cant get...


I could see it going both ways. He's a good teammate and is a positive influence in the lockerroom so I dont think he would try to screw the Chiefs over, however he's very underpaid for how he's performed and he just witnessed his team bank on a 32 year old CB.

[ZachKC]

I could see it going both ways. He's a good teammate and is a positive influence in the lockerroom so I dont think he would try to screw the Chiefs over, however he's very underpaid for how he's performed and he just witnessed his team bank on a 32 year old CB.
I got the feel from the article that more so than Law it was the contracts of WRs equal or less than his production getting paid.

[ROYC75]

yeah, that really sent us down to the bottom didn't it.


Sorry, I had to bring that up since it will be known for a very long time to NFL fans across America and the world that your 2 championships will have an *( violated the salary cap ) besides both wins.

Too bad the gutless NFL commissioner didn't have the balls to stip your titles, it would have tarnish the game forever.

[Clockwork Orange]

This is all just the usual posturing, nothing more. If he actually walks out of camp, then it's a story.

[Phantom]

Sorry, I had to bring that up since it will be known for a very long time to NFL fans across America and the world that your 2 championships will have an *( violated the salary cap ) besides both wins.

Too bad the gutless NFL commissioner didn't have the balls to stip your titles, it would have tarnish the game forever.

No, you're wrong. They did not violate the salary cap, the penalty involved deferred payments for bonuses, nothing to do with paying a cent more than any other team was allowed. This has been explained many times. You are just a bitter, whiny loser who refuses to read the facts.

[Moon§hiner]

No, you're wrong. They did not violate the salary cap, the penalty involved deferred payments for bonuses, nothing to do with paying a cent more than any other team was allowed. This has been explained many times. You are just a bitter, whiny loser who refuses to read the facts.
shhh....it's the only game he has to bring to the table

[Darkhawk24]

Sorry, I had to bring that up since it will be known for a very long time to NFL fans across America and the world that your 2 championships will have an *( violated the salary cap ) besides both wins.

Too bad the gutless NFL commissioner didn't have the balls to stip your titles, it would have tarnish the game forever.

Ya you really hear a lot of people talking about that. Keep eating your sour grapes. Ha!

[Florida_Bronco]

Sorry, I had to bring that up since it will be known for a very long time to NFL fans across America and the world that your 2 championships will have an *( violated the salary cap ) besides both wins.

Too bad the gutless NFL commissioner didn't have the balls to stip your titles, it would have tarnish the game forever.

Funny, I've never heard anyone except Raider and Chief fans throw that smack around.

[ZachKC]

Funny, I've never heard anyone except Raider and Chief fans throw that smack around.
I am not a big believer of their argument and I don't use it but the amount of smack that only happens between Denver; and the Chiefs and Raiders and not other NFL good stop a team of oxen in their tracks.

We are division rivals...nobody cares enough about the Texans to talk **** with their fans. Thats why its easy to be friendlier with rivals fans who are not in your division. PatsWin would not be so popular were the Patriots in the AFC West.

[Darkhawk24]

Zach that may be true. However if the Broncos really cheated to win 2 superbowls then you would hear about it from every team in the NFL. It wouldn't be reduced to rival fans comebacks.

[Moon§hiner]

Patswin has a right to talk all the smack he wants, but he doesn't...that's why I respect him.

[ZachKC]

Patswin has a right to talk all the smack he wants, but he doesn't...that's why I respect him.
And he wouldn't if you were division rivals...

Riiiiiiggghhht.

[Moon§hiner]

I guess I'd have to come up with some lame excuse to talk smack back to him like certain "rival" fans here have to come up with....maybe you can send me your excuses manual so I can be better prepared if he ever does talk smack about his team actually winning the Super Bowl.

[ZachKC]

I guess I'd have to come up with some lame excuse to talk smack back to him
If you felt so inclined.

[ROYC75]

WOW, a sensitive bunch, evidence by a little divisional smack amongst friends.
probally it's a good bet this wasn't said over a few cold beers. Bronco fans might just want to fight instead of laugh it off.

Do we Chiefs fans wanna fight because you smack us around for 35 + years of no SB trips ? No, it sucks, but not worth fighting or getting our titties in a french twist about it.

Sheesh ......... You Donks are a whinny bunch. I never get pissed about crap like this, sling it all ya want, it's a damn game folks.

BTW, the season's coming up soon, bout damn time to fire up the annual barbs........

Enjoy ........

[crazyhorse]

Had he been straight with the Broncos when all that happened, he probably would still be on this team. What was going on with his wife didn't come out until after he had already landed in Kansas City.

This is inaccuarate. He tried to rejoin the Donks but was voted out.

[crazyhorse]

I am not sure where you are going with this.

1. Walker was a #2 or #3 WR for most of that season in GB. He left the training camp as the #3 WR and Failed to start in four games that season, while playing all 16. What he did was routinely school the #2 and #3 CB's to the tune of a probowl season. There were five or six legitimate options in GB, but Walker caught the most balls. In contrast, Denver had three or four options if you count Putzier. Easy deduction says that Lelie should have gotten more looks than Walker if he could get open. Instead, he caught 30 less balls, 300 less yards, 23 fewer first downs, and five fewer TD's.

2. GB also did not get as many eight to nine man fronts that Denver did that season leaving Lelie one on one for the Majority of those catches. Lelie has 2 Red Zone TD's in four Years with Teams playing those fronts as well. Walker has 13 of his 22.

3. Walker had more third down completions for first downs in one year (24) than Lelie has had in his career (19). Lelie is a great option with PA on the early downs, but pretty worthless on third down over his career. Not so with Walker. He is a better fit for a WCO oriented passing attack than Lelie will ever be.

4. Before this gets to a Plummer Versus Favre argument, they were statistically the same QB for all intents and purposes that season.

So if Walker was #3 what kind of year did #1 and #2 have? Also, who was the #1 and 2 WRs in front of Walker on the depth chart?

You dont have to tell me how lackluster Lelie is. I totally agree. However, I feel Walker is in pretty much the same boat. I could be wrong of course. But there is little areguement that would indicate you can expect probowl seasons from Walker. There is a solid arguement however that you just may get Lelie like production.

[Steve Sewell]

I could see it going both ways. He's a good teammate and is a positive influence in the lockerroom so I dont think he would try to screw the Chiefs over, however he's very underpaid for how he's performed and he just witnessed his team bank on a 32 year old CB.

He's a good teammate? Dude quit on his team in 2001 the night before a game! That's the first time I've ever heard that one!

[Tredici]

You guys are reaching.

Kennison's not going to miss a single game this year because of this.

No we are hoping he doesn't. PAY HIM!

[No1BroncoFan]

And he wouldn't if you were division rivals...

Riiiiiiggghhht.
I know a couple of Raider and Chief fans that I respect far more than some of the Bronco fans (and all of the Chief/Raider fans) that frequent this board. While they occasionally talk smak they also bring real takes and football talk and limit their homerism (all fans are homers to a point). It's actually quite easy to get along with rival fans, even within your own division. It's just hard to ignore the trolls sometimes. ;D

Ben

[crazyhorse]

No we are hoping he doesn't. PAY HIM!

If we do pay him he will keep owning the Donks for the next couple years.

[ZachKC]

I know a couple of Raider and Chief fans that I respect far more than some of the Bronco fans (and all of the Chief/Raider fans) that frequent this board. While they occasionally talk smak they also bring real takes and football talk and limit their homerism (all fans are homers to a point). It's actually quite easy to get along with rival fans, even within your own division. It's just hard to ignore the trolls sometimes. ;D

Ben
There are a lot of people I like on here. I am not saying you can't like a rival fan in your division. You just wouldn't see the lovefest you get with fans of another team. Its easier to have a good rapport with someone from another division.

[No1BroncoFan]

This is inaccuarate. He tried to rejoin the Donks but was voted out.
You're tight. After he sh*t in our locker room the players told him to go sh*t somewhere else. He quit, without explanation. Then he un-quit when he found out the Broncos would be taking money back. He never explained the motivation for quitting other than he didn't want to play until after it was a done deal.

You guys landed him and he's been fairly productive for you. Now it sounds like he may quit again and it couldn't happen to a better bunch! ;D

Ben

[Darkhawk24]

I live in Kansas City. My life is filled with Kansas City fans around me. During football season things can get a little crazy, but never do I have to hear some of the junk I see on this board from Chiefs fans.

[ROYC75]

You will find good and bad fans anywhere, period. Some mature,most are not, just kids growing up and learning the ropes.

Divsional smack is some of the best, it's always between rivals.......... good times.

[crazyhorse]

You're tight. After he sh*t in our locker room the players told him to go sh*t somewhere else. He quit, without explanation. Then he un-quit when he found out the Broncos would be taking money back. He never explained the motivation for quitting other than he didn't want to play until after it was a done deal.

You guys landed him and he's been fairly productive for you. Now it sounds like he may quit again and it couldn't happen to a better bunch! ;D

Ben

He retired because his wife had a serious illness. Hardly the same circumstances here. But dont let that get in the way of your jealous tirade.

[No1BroncoFan]

There are a lot of people I like on here. I am not saying you can't like a rival fan in your division. You just wouldn't see the lovefest you get with fans of another team. Its easier to have a good rapport with someone from another division.
Can't say as I've ever been involved in a love fest with a fan of another team. ugh!~ Something you want to tell us? ;D Seriously though, I seem to get along better with AFC West fans than fans of any other division. We have a lot more in common and it's easier to actually talk football with them. The fans I hate the most are all outside the AFC West even though the teams I hate the most are here.

Ben

[ROYC75]

EK is not going to quit, this is his last merry go round. He just wants to ante the pay for his production......... typical move by player and agents.

[bronco militia]

Eddie and Shimika married in 2001. With a new contract and a second child on the way, they thought Denver was supposed to be the place where they could start their new life.

But there were problems from the start. Kennison struggled in relief of injured Broncos receiver Ed McCaffrey. Then, on a Wednesday in November, Shimika passed out in the parking lot of a Denver grocery store.

Six months pregnant, she was rushed to the hospital. A few days passed, and the doctors had no idea what was wrong. She passed in and out of consciousness as they did test after test, which all came back negative. Eddie began to panic.

By Saturday, the day before a Broncos home game, the combined stress of a disappointing season with the Broncos and Shimika’s mystery illness had stripped him bare.

“He called me and said, ‘Man, I’m thinking about retiring,’ ” his friend Jenkins says. “He didn’t know what to do. It just shook him, rattled him a lot.”

There are many renditions of what happened after that. On Saturday night, 16 hours before kickoff, Eddie pulled Denver coach Mike Shanahan aside and told him that he wanted to retire from football, that he’d lost his love for the game. He offered to play on Sunday, because he had taken all the snaps in practice that week, but Shanahan would later decide that Eddie should leave the team hotel and never return.

Shanahan even asked Kennison if it was because of his family. Eddie elected not to say.

“I didn’t want to give an excuse,” Kennison says. “I just said I’m not going to be able to play. Nobody knew she was in the hospital dealing with this issue, pregnant and unconscious.”

“Oh my God, Eddie,” is what Eddie’s agent, John Hamilton, said when he found out Kennison didn’t divulge everything to Shanahan. Even Shimika didn’t understand what Eddie was doing.

“I felt bad,” Shimika says. “I said, ‘Please go and play.’ I didn’t want to be a hindrance to his career. I was in the hospital. There was nothing he could do.”

With the people close to him telling him to play football again, he went back to Shanahan the following Monday and told him he was “unretiring.” But with a locker room full of fuming teammates who viewed him as a quitter, Eddie had no chance. The Broncos released Eddie, who suddenly had a sick wife and no job. The Denver media sent the parting blows. A Denver Post column seethed that Eddie was a “loser.”

“I’ve never seen him as depressed,” Hamilton says. “I’ve never seen him not have that love for the game. Other things were taking precedence.”

Eddie’s attempt to be there for Shimika landed their family back in their Houston home. It was there that they received the diagnosis that Shimika, who miraculously had a healthy pregnancy, had lupus.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/12855056.htm

(the link is dead)

[Steve Sewell]

Sorry, I had to bring that up since it will be known for a very long time to NFL fans across America and the world that your 2 championships will have an *( violated the salary cap ) besides both wins.

Too bad the gutless NFL commissioner didn't have the balls to stip your titles, it would have tarnish the game forever.

Hey dipsh!t, the reason why this wasn't as big of a deal as you are making it out to be was because the Broncos didn't receive an unfair advantage in terms of their ability to sign additional players.

Bowlen wanted to free up cash flow to help pay some of the up front costs of the new stadium. So he asked Elway and Davis if he could pay them later with interest. Their salaries still counted toward the cap. The only problem the NFL had with that is that they look at the interest payments as extra compensation that should be counted toward the salary cap. At their salary levels and a 5% interest rate, that's what, maybe $200,000? Are you telling me that John Elway and Terrell Davis wouldn't have taken a paycut instead if they knew this would result in a violation? Do you think Bowlen wouldn't have found a way to pay them if he new this would be a violation?

Give me a freakin' break. It didn't allow them to sign any additional players, unless you coun't maybe a practice squad player with a $200,000 salary...

[No1BroncoFan]

He retired because his wife had a serious illness. Hardly the same circumstances here. But dont let that get in the way of your jealous tirade.
Jealous of Quitterson? Hardly. Maybe, had he been more forthcoming, the Broncos would have made provisions. Since he didn't...

Ben

[Moon§hiner]

I'm just thankful that his wife magically healed so he could sign up with another team after he had been shunned by his peers.

[Tredici]

If we do pay him he will keep owning the Donks for the next couple years.


Yup. I look forward to him layin' anuther whuppin on dey ass.

[ZachKC]

I live in Kansas City. My life is filled with Kansas City fans around me. During football season things can get a little crazy, but never do I have to hear some of the junk I see on this board from Chiefs fans.
Message board culture.

[crazyhorse]

Yup. I look forward to him layin' anuther whuppin on dey ass.

It's practically a 100 yard game every time he plays the Donks. Or haven't you noticed?

[ZachKC]

This whole EK thing...

I don't see why there are so many disagreements. I can understand why Bronco fans don't like the guy. That is pretty reasonable. The situation was complicated...he didn't handle it the best. No doubt about that. I don't fault them for their decision or the vote that took place.

On the other hand I don't see how people are trying to cash in their EK is a quitter card after 5 friggen good years in KC. The guy has been a great NFL citizen and a gamer for years.

Like I said above...the actions of the Broncos are understandable but when family issues get into the mix, things get complicated sometimes messy. I feel like people who dumb it down to "He quit" and thats all there is to it are paniting the situation as something it isn't...

[Phantom]

I remember being up 30 to 3 on Monday night. Quitty scoring a "mop" up touchdown. Shanny throwing the red hanky, the play was overturned and the closeup shot of Quitty mouthing "What the F---!!!"

:giggle: :rofl: :thumbs:

Good times. I don't know, he probably ended up with 100 yrds in that game too. So we all are happy.

[ZachKC]

I remember Denver's defense looking up at the big video board at Arrowhead while they went through highlights of of the 42-17 shalacking a few years back. Lots of time spent watching EK. There was a long TV timeout and they just went through a ton of plays from the same game. I was kind of suprised they could bear to watch all the offense on that video board.

[bronco militia]

I remember Denver's defense looking up at the big video board at Arrowhead while they went through highlights of of the 42-17 shalacking a few years back. Lots of time spent watching EK. There was a long TV timeout and they just went through a ton of plays from the same game. I was kind of suprised they could bear to watch all the offense on that video board.

congrats on your 2004 'superbowl'

:thumbsup:

[ZachKC]

congrats on your 2004 'superbowl'

:thumbsup:
This is always a fun myth...

[ROYC75]

Hey dipsh!t, the reason why this wasn't as big of a deal as you are making it out to be was because the Broncos didn't receive an unfair advantage in terms of their ability to sign additional players.

Bowlen wanted to free up cash flow to help pay some of the up front costs of the new stadium. So he asked Elway and Davis if he could pay them later with interest. Their salaries still counted toward the cap. The only problem the NFL had with that is that they look at the interest payments as extra compensation that should be counted toward the salary cap. At their salary levels and a 5% interest rate, that's what, maybe $200,000? Are you telling me that John Elway and Terrell Davis wouldn't have taken a paycut instead if they knew this would result in a violation? Do you think Bowlen wouldn't have found a way to pay them if he new this would be a violation?

Give me a freakin' break. It didn't allow them to sign any additional players, unless you coun't maybe a practice squad player with a $200,000 salary...

LOL Hilarious! I see it works on you, can't stand it, can ya. ............... FTR, seems like you are missing the divisional smack.

[Mediator12]

So if Walker was #3 what kind of year did #1 and #2 have? Also, who was the #1 and 2 WRs in front of Walker on the depth chart?

You dont have to tell me how lackluster Lelie is. I totally agree. However, I feel Walker is in pretty much the same boat. I could be wrong of course. But there is little areguement that would indicate you can expect probowl seasons from Walker. There is a solid arguement however that you just may get Lelie like production.

Donald Driver and Robert Ferguson were the #1 and #2 WR's coming out of TC. Both Started the first game of the season. Ferguson Started Five games, Driver 12, and Walker 12. Driver spent time as the #1 and #2, Walker spent time as the #1 ,#2, And #3, and finally Ferguson Spent time as #2 and #3.

G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD

Driver 16 84 1208 14.4 50 9 59
Ferguson 13 24 367 15.3 48 1 18

As for not expecting Walker to be a probowler every year, he has shown progression in every area each year he played until he was injured. He doubled his catches each year almost, doubled his yards, and caught back to back seasons with 9 or more TD's. I would argue that it would be harder to prove he will not be a probowler.

[Florida_Bronco]

This is inaccuarate. He tried to rejoin the Donks but was voted out.

This is true, but I'm fairly certain that even then he hadn't told them of his family issues.

[Hulamau]

The Chargers need to get themselves an unhappy receiver or else they're going to feel left out. Everyone else in the division has one.

Yeah, its about time for Keenan to walk!

[Hulamau]

Donald Driver and Robert Ferguson were the #1 and #2 WR's coming out of TC. Both Started the first game of the season. Ferguson Started Five games, Driver 12, and Walker 12. Driver spent time as the #1 and #2, Walker spent time as the #1 ,#2, And #3, and finally Ferguson Spent time as #2 and #3.

G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD

Driver 16 84 1208 14.4 50 9 59
Ferguson 13 24 367 15.3 48 1 18

As for not expecting Walker to be a probowler every year, he has shown progression in every area each year he played until he was injured. He doubled his catches each year almost, doubled his yards, and caught back to back seasons with 9 or more TD's. I would argue that it would be harder to prove he will not be a probowler.


HE sure has the talent but until he is getting the lion share of the passes here as our #1 he may make the Pro bowl but I doubt he has many 1390 yard 13 TD seasons as our #2.

Then again with Heimer here and the supposed interest in more 3 Wide sets perhaps they will let Jake a little more loose and trust he doesn't start flinging INTs again, in which case I'm sure he can shine ... provided his knees is 100%.

It will likely be hard from him to unseat Rod this camp with on One a day practices but its almost a given he'll be number 1 next year, even if Rod is still playing, and possibly even slide into that role quietly as this season progresses.

[Steve Sewell]

He retired because his wife had a serious illness. Hardly the same circumstances here. But dont let that get in the way of your jealous tirade.

Maybe you should do some research on this subject first. I'll give you a start:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/4523898

[SNR_Chief]

I agree the loser doesn't play hard at all, he only steps it up against the Broncos & picks up easy grabs when the D is looking to stop the run. He runs out of bounds & avoids tackles so I can see him playing another 5 years. I hope Hot Carl caves & pays him. Actually Hot Carl should because he is & has been their #1 since Morton left. I am surprised this nameless thing did not pull this stunt earlier as he only thinks about himself.

Funny how Chef fans spin this to "90% of NFL players act this way" when it is a Chef player or the great Chef #1 WR who shall remain nameless by me.Wow, you're a vagina.

A kicker who misses 4 FGs in a playoff game against the Colts deserves to remain nameless. A #3 WR who handled a difficult situation the wrong way and quitting before a game you guys won anyway is not cause for that.

If I were a Donk fan I'd be pissed at Kennison too. I'd still call him names and want his ass beaten down everytime my team played him. I sure as hell wouldn't act like a whiney bitch about it, though.

[ZachKC]

If I were a Donk fan I'd be pissed at Kennison too. I'd still call him names and want his ass beaten down everytime my team played him. I sure as hell wouldn't act like a whiney b**** about it, though.
Ha. Yes.

A Cliffs Notes version of my earlier post.

[kamakazi_kal]

He's a good teammate? Dude quit on his team in 2001 the night before a game! That's the first time I've ever heard that one!
not to mention it was a division game we really needed to win

[crazyhorse]

Maybe you should do some research on this subject first. I'll give you a start:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/4523898

Yeah....the situation has been better defined since 2001. Perhaps your research is in-com-plete

[Killericon]

Man, why can't we ever get some Chargers fans in here....We could argue about Keenan instead!

This **** is so repetitive I can't beleive.

[crazyhorse]

Donald Driver and Robert Ferguson were the #1 and #2 WR's coming out of TC. Both Started the first game of the season. Ferguson Started Five games, Driver 12, and Walker 12. Driver spent time as the #1 and #2, Walker spent time as the #1 ,#2, And #3, and finally Ferguson Spent time as #2 and #3.

G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD

Driver 16 84 1208 14.4 50 9 59
Ferguson 13 24 367 15.3 48 1 18

As for not expecting Walker to be a probowler every year, he has shown progression in every area each year he played until he was injured. He doubled his catches each year almost, doubled his yards, and caught back to back seasons with 9 or more TD's. I would argue that it would be harder to prove he will not be a probowler.

Your correct on your statistics. I thought GB lost a bunch of WRs in 04 I guess it was 05. On that I stand corrected.

However, if you are using a 700 yard season as an arguement that Walker will be a yearly probowler, thats weak.

He's had one good season. One where Favre had 2 WRs over 80 catches indicating there was no run game.

Denver has maintained a good run game throughout Lelies carreer.

[Killericon]

I mean...The Chiefs smack would be acceptable if we were talking about Sammy Knight vs. Lynch or Green vs. Plummer...or ANYTHING!

I'm so sick of hearing about Kennison.

[Mediator12]

Your correct on your statistics. I thought GB lost a bunch of WRs in 04 I guess it was 05. On that I stand corrected.

However, if you are using a 700 yard season as an arguement that Walker will be a yearly probowler, thats weak.

Not the yards, but the opportunities. While most second year players slump, he doubled his catches, Yards, and had 9 TD's in 2003. He was consistently the third option that year too a true #3 WR with 9 TD catches and eight off the team lead of 50 by Driver.Green Bay was 16th in passing that year and Third in the running game with 2558 yards. Green bay was one of seven teams that attempted less than 30 passes a game that year.

He's had one good season. One where Favre had 2 WRs over 80 catches indicating there was no run game.

Green Bay was tenth in rushing with 1908 yards that year, but they never faced eight or nine man fronts like Denver does consistently. That would give Walker more single coverage in Denver than he got in GB. More single coverage usually means better numbers for a WR.

Denver has maintained a good run game throughout Lelies carreer.

And GB has been in the top 5 twice and ten the other time he played.

[azbroncfan]

In light of that, Bronco fans should be wondering why Planny gave a busted up malcontent the money the malcontent currently on your roster was asking for.



He's not asking for more money, he just wants to be given the number 1 job. Obviously he isn't worth too much or someone would of ponied up and traded for him.

[crazyhorse]

And GB has been in the top 5 twice and ten the other time he played.

It would seem, by your figures that Green Bay did not have a successful run game. If nobody played 8 or more up then nobody respected the run.

In any event, this clearly wont be proven this evening. Ya just have to let JW prove you right. If he does so, I have no issue admitting when I'm wrong.

[crazyhorse]

He's not asking for more money, he just wants to be given the number 1 job. Obviously he isn't worth too much or someone would of ponied up and traded for him.


Poof!!!

He's now a #1 WR.

[Moon§hiner]

Poof!!!

He's now a #1 WR.

Only if he somehow ends up in Kansas City.

[ZachKC]

Only if he somehow ends up in Kansas City.
An offensive player should be so lucky...