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Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 02:13 PM
For the sake of not cluttering the board with every move made in free agency/trades, let's condense this all into one thread.

I'll kick it off with the latest whispers about the hottest story out there right now, Allen Iverson. The rumors (and these are just rumors at this point) are that three teams are seriously in the mix. Golden State, Denver and Boston are all making a push with the Warriors having the edge at the moment. GS is rumored to be offering a package that includes Baron Davis, but the 76ers want Ike Diogu included and the Warriors aren't budging on him, yet. Denver is said to be making the strongest push, but need to get a 3rd team involved to make it work. Boston is still in the race, but it looks like Philly is trying their damndest to send Iverson to the Western Conference.

Jamal Magloire is also said to be on the trade block.

Nuggets4
07-12-2006, 02:20 PM
Screw that. If Mock can start a thread for every thought that pops into his alcohol riddled brain, we can start a thread on every NBA move.

I know that the Nugs are trying to get involved in the deal that Atlanta is working on with Al Harrington. Apparently their owners can only take back players with limited years on their contracts due to the legal struggle, and neither Indiana nor Golden State can make anything work, so we would be the third team in that deal.

Man-Goblin
07-12-2006, 02:22 PM
Screw that. If Mock can start a thread for every thought that pops into his alcohol riddled brain, we can start a thread on every NBA move.

I know that the Nugs are trying to get involved in the deal that Atlanta is working on with Al Harrington. Apparently their owners can only take back players with limited years on their contracts due to the legal struggle, and neither Indiana nor Golden State can make anything work, so we would be the third team in that deal.

To aquire Harrington or someone else?

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 02:23 PM
There's also talk of a 6 team trade being discussed with Boston, Philly, Sacramento and three other unnamed teams involved. No idea who's going where in that one, but like I said, this is all just the rumors that are going around these days.

Man-Goblin
07-12-2006, 02:26 PM
There's also talk of a 6 team trade being discussed with Boston, Philly, Sacramento and three other unnamed teams involved. No idea who's going where in that one, but like I said, this is all just the rumors that are going around these days.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/chat/060712

Jacob (Indianapolis IN): Bill, there's a wild internet rumor floating around right now that there is a 6-team trade brewing in the NBA including IND, SAC, BOS, GSW, PHIL, ATL ... any truth to this?

Bill Simmons: Any time the words "wild internet rumor" and "NBA" are involved, I don't pay attention. There's just a zero percent track record of success.

RhymesayersDU
07-12-2006, 04:17 PM
Wow, a 6-team trade would be epic. That's gotta be like some sort of record.

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 04:31 PM
Warriors want Al Harrington, appear to be out of the running for Iverson (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/12/SPG3TJTMKF1.DTL)

As for the Warriors' backcourt, two sources indicated the team will not pursue Allen Iverson, whom the Sixers have put on the trading block. Instead, the Warriors appear to be gambling that point guard Baron Davis can return to his All-Star form and remain healthy for an entire season.

jossjeff
07-12-2006, 04:45 PM
Well...

The Clippers officially resigned Sam Cassell and signed Tim Thomas.

Corey Magette is still on the trading block but we apparently aren't getting **** for offers.

Good as far as I am concerned, Magette goes brain dead with his one on five approach at times and will never be a good defensive player but that dude goes to the basket in a league filled with jump shooters.

Not to mention that he is signed for 3 more years at a very reasonable salary by NBA standards.

I hope he can be happy coming off the bench because that really is what he is best suited for IMO.

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 04:46 PM
Press conference going on right now, Carmelo has signed the original 5 year deal as was reported and won't be going for the 3 year + option year type of deal that Lebron signed.

ro_50
07-12-2006, 05:17 PM
Spurs sign Point Guard, extend offers to two centers
By Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer
The Spurs moved quickly when the NBA’s free-agent signing period began Wednesday, signing point guard Jacque Vaughn and extending offer sheets to centers Francisco Elson and Jackie Butler.

Elson and Butler are restricted free agents, so Denver and New York have seven days to match the offers. The Knicks have already indicated they want to keep Butler.
The Spurs extended offers to both Elson and Butler in part because they were unable to reach agreement with former second-round pick Robertas Javtokas. Javtokas is preparing to play in Greece, but the Spurs haven’t given up hope they will be able to resume negotiations with him, if needed.
Vaughn, who signed a one-year contract for the league minimum, will compete with Beno Udrih for the backup point-guard job.

ro_50
07-12-2006, 05:18 PM
What can you guys tell a Spurs fan about Francisco Elson?

I mean, I'm not expecting him to become a stellar acquisition but is he solid enough to play 15-20 mins a game and besides TD, how solid can he be?

I dont think Spurs fans are expecting anything big from him but just someone who can get the rebound, play tough defense and make an occasional shot.

Rulon Velvet Jones
07-12-2006, 05:20 PM
Nice offseason those Spurs are having.

ro_50
07-12-2006, 05:22 PM
Nice offseason those Spurs are having.

Hahaha, its not the greatest or even solid. Hilarious!

But as long as Tim Duncan, Manu and Tony Parker are healthy, they will be up there w/ Dallas as the Western Conference favorites for next season.

Spurs need to get a couple of able bodies down low and got a third PG in Vaughn. Its not glamorous but when the Spurs have been a glamorous offseason team.

GonzoLays
07-12-2006, 05:27 PM
I'll tell you what, if the C's don't get Iverson, I will be in a funk. That just sucks. That's like the Bronco's having a legit rumor about landing Tom Brady for Ashley Lelie, Tatum Bell, and Jake Plummer and it falling through at the last moment because the Patriots don't want to trade him within the conference.

AARRGGHHHHHH!!! Keep hope alive, Gonzo. Keep hope alive!!!

WABronco
07-12-2006, 05:32 PM
Hahaha, its not the greatest or even solid. Hilarious!

But as long as Tim Duncan, Manu and Tony Parker are healthy, they will be up there w/ Dallas as the Western Conference favorites for next season.

Spurs need to get a couple of able bodies down low and got a third PG in Vaughn. Its not glamorous but when the Spurs have been a glamorous offseason team.
Hollinger thinks Butler is a nice player...seems like a very Spurish move...

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 05:33 PM
What can you guys tell a Spurs fan about Francisco Elson?

On a good night, he can be a serviceable big man who can grab some rebounds for you. On a bad night, he's a foul machine who'll be headed back to the bench just as fast as he got off of it. He shows flashes sometimes that make you think that he could be a pretty decent player and then will wash those away by showing a serious lack of basketball IQ. He's tall with long arms, but can be awfully clumsy. Could be a solid bench guy if he ever lives up to his potential.

The most noteworthy thing he's done in his time in Denver was during the '04 playoffs when he called Kevin Garnett "gay."

GonzoLays
07-12-2006, 05:35 PM
For the sake of not cluttering the board with every move made in free agency/trades, let's condense this all into one thread.

I'll kick it off with the latest whispers about the hottest story out there right now, Allen Iverson. The rumors (and these are just rumors at this point) are that three teams are seriously in the mix. Golden State, Denver and Boston are all making a push with the Warriors having the edge at the moment. GS is rumored to be offering a package that includes Baron Davis, but the 76ers want Ike Diogu included and the Warriors aren't budging on him, yet. Denver is said to be making the strongest push, but need to get a 3rd team involved to make it work. Boston is still in the race, but it looks like Philly is trying their damndest to send Iverson to the Western Conference.

Jamal Magloire is also said to be on the trade block.

What is Philly going to do Allen Iverson Jr? Baron Davis is the broke man's Iverson. He shoots less than 40% from the field, he spends half the season on the injured list because of his bad back, and makes just as much money as AI. Stupidity. If I were a Sixer's fan I would shoot Billy King in the ass if he made that trade. Ike Diogu and Baron Davis for the Answer? Give me a break. That is a lateral move for the Sixers. It doesn't make them better in any shape, form or fashion. If BK makes that move, he should be fired immediately. Ike Diogu is definitely not the "answer" in Philadelphia. He is a undersized PF much like Mike Sweetney and Robert "the tractor" Traylor.

You move Iverson to rebuild, not reload to challenge for the 8th spot in the Eastern Conference.

ro_50
07-12-2006, 05:35 PM
On a good night, he can be a serviceable big man who can grab some rebounds for you. On a bad night, he's a foul machine who'll be headed back to the bench just as fast as he got off of it. He shows flashes sometimes that make you think that he could be a pretty decent player and then will wash those away by showing a serious lack of basketball IQ. He's tall with long arms, but can be awfully clumsy. Could be a solid bench guy if he ever lives up to his potential.

The most noteworthy thing he's done in his time in Denver was during the '04 playoffs when he called Kevin Garnett "gay."


Thanks for the information. I hope if he does sign an offer sheet and ends up w/ the Spurs, I hope he can be service-able.

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 05:38 PM
What is Philly going to do Allen Iverson Jr? Baron Davis is the broke man's Iverson. He shoots less than 40% from the field, he spends half the season on the injured list because of his bad back, and makes just as much money as AI. Stupidity. If I were a Sixer's fan I would shoot Billy King in the ass if he made that trade. Ike Diogu and Baron Davis for the Answer? Give me a break. That is a lateral move for the Sixers. It doesn't make them better in any shape, form or fashion. If BK makes that move, he should be fired immediately. Ike Diogu is definitely not the "answer" in Philadelphia. He is a undersized PF much like Mike Sweetney and Robert "the tractor" Traylor.

You move Iverson to rebuild, not reload to challenge for the 8th spot in the Eastern Conference.

Don't shoot the messanger, that's just the rumors that have been floating around. Doesn't much matter now since it appears that Golden State is bowing out of the Iverson sweepstakes.

GonzoLays
07-12-2006, 05:42 PM
Don't shoot the messanger, that's just the rumors that have been floating around. Doesn't much matter now since it appears that Golden State is bowing out of the Iverson sweepstakes.

So, its down to Denver and Boston....!Booya!

I might have to leave the Mane if Denver get's Iverson.

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 05:48 PM
So, its down to Denver and Boston....!Booya!

I might have to leave the Mane if Denver get's Iverson.

You can bet your last dollar that Philly will try like hell to send him to Denver if that is indeed the case. They're going to get roasted by their fans for trading him regardless, but trading him to a division rival? Oof.

It'll still take a three team deal to get it done though.

There could be other suitors actively involved though, these are just the ones I've heard about.

GonzoLays
07-12-2006, 05:56 PM
You can bet your last dollar that Philly will try like hell to send him to Denver if that is indeed the case. They're going to get roasted by their fans for trading him regardless, but trading him to a division rival? Oof.

It'll still take a three team deal to get it done though.

There could be other suitors actively involved though, these are just the ones I've heard about.

I know Philly is trying to send him out West which is completely moronic. How many years does Iverson have left at an uber all-star level? Four? So who cares what he does in the next four seasons because you aren't trading him for the sake of trading him, you are trading him because you are rebuilding. You get the best deal, period. That is the short sightness of GM's. They aren't looking out for the franchise, they looking out for themselves.

So you trade Iverson to Denver, right. You get back, best case scenario, Andre Miller and Marcus Camby. What you got then? You are one of the oldest teams in the league and you STILL SUCK. How stupid is that? Even if they throw in two first round draft picks, they are going to be at the end of the first round and all you get is high priced role players. Does that make sense? They get no cap relief, no youth to build around, and they are in the same boat as they were before they made the trade -- out of the playoffs.

Don't worry about the next four freaking seasons, BK, worry about the future of the franchise. Make the power move, secure Philly some talented youth for your franchise to market.

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 06:45 PM
I know Philly is trying to send him out West which is completely moronic. How many years does Iverson have left at an uber all-star level? Four? So who cares what he does in the next four seasons because you aren't trading him for the sake of trading him, you are trading him because you are rebuilding. You get the best deal, period. That is the short sightness of GM's. They aren't looking out for the franchise, they looking out for themselves.

So you trade Iverson to Denver, right. You get back, best case scenario, Andre Miller and Marcus Camby. What you got then? You are one of the oldest teams in the league and you STILL SUCK. How stupid is that? Even if they throw in two first round draft picks, they are going to be at the end of the first round and all you get is high priced role players. Does that make sense? They get no cap relief, no youth to build around, and they are in the same boat as they were before they made the trade -- out of the playoffs.

Don't worry about the next four freaking seasons, BK, worry about the future of the franchise. Make the power move, secure Philly some talented youth for your franchise to market.

Precisely why I said that there would have to be a third team involved for Iverson to be sent to Denver. It makes no sense from Philly's perspective to deal directly with the Nuggets.

Nuggets4
07-12-2006, 06:56 PM
Precisely why I said that there would have to be a third team involved for Iverson to be sent to Denver. It makes no sense from Philly's perspective to deal directly with the Nuggets.

Enter the Knicks...

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 06:59 PM
Enter the Knicks...

I read somewhere that they've talked about a deal for Kenyon Martin, but the Knicks wanted the Nuggets to take Steve Francis and the Nuggets declined.

WABronco
07-12-2006, 07:03 PM
I read somewhere that they've talked about a deal for Kenyon Martin, but the Knicks wanted the Nuggets to take Steve Francis and the Nuggets declined.
...Yea, Isiah said he didn't want to take on another contract without sending one towards Denver. Hey, you guys could use some interior toughness...Jerome James?:rofl:

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/ap_photo/20050504/all/l1416691.jpg

It was funny at the time...now it's even funnier.

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 07:21 PM
Kirk Hinrich has been added to the Team USA roster, replacing JJ Redick (back injury).

GonzoLays
07-12-2006, 07:37 PM
I read somewhere that they've talked about a deal for Kenyon Martin, but the Knicks wanted the Nuggets to take Steve Francis and the Nuggets declined.

The Nuggs turned down Stevie Franchise for K-Mart? That is ludicrous.

Steve Francis may not be that highly rated anymore, but he can still ball. He just needs a change of scenery. When he was in Houston he was a perennial all-star who led his team to numerous playoff appearances. Just two seasons ago he was 20 pt, 5 rebound, and 7 assist guy. Now, he stinks? I think he has become disenchanted with his stops in Orlando and New York and quite frankly, who wouldn't be. Orlando was rebuilding and the Knicks are simply a mess. Put Franchise on a playoff team and all his warts go away. Keep him in a losing situation with no defined role and he is the devil.

Miller, Franchise, Nene, Camby and Melo can make some noise in this league. You guys should have made that move.

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 07:40 PM
**** Steve Francis. I'd only take him because he's just slightly less of a jerkoff than Kenyon Martin and the Nuggets could use a guard more than a forward at this point. I'd take that deal if it was the last available, but obviously it isn't and the Nuggets don't have to.

They're looking for an answer elsewhere......:yep:

GonzoLays
07-12-2006, 07:43 PM
answer[/B] elsewhere......:yep:

LOL The answer lies in the TRUTH my friend! No way in hell Iverson lands in Denver. It can't happen. It just can't.

GonzoLays
07-12-2006, 07:44 PM
Greg Buckner -- The missing piece to the NBA Championship. Who would have ever thunk it?

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 07:46 PM
LOL The answer lies in the TRUTH my friend! No way in hell Iverson lands in Denver. It can't happen. It just can't.

It might not and I'm still pretty doubtful about it (there have been far too many instances over the last couple of years in which the Nuggets almost made a blockbuster move). But word is that they're trying real, real hard to land him. Stranger things have happened.

BroncoBuff
07-12-2006, 08:24 PM
I'd rather have Francis simply because we're froncourt-loaded, and 2-guard light, esp. w/o Buckner.

That said, I don't think even Isiah would make that offer.

RhymesayersDU
07-12-2006, 10:22 PM
I'd take Francis in a minute for K-Mart.

epicSocialism4tw
07-12-2006, 10:48 PM
I want to use this thread to apologize to some of you guys. RO50, Nuggets4, Ryhmesayers, Clockwork Orange, and a couple of others. I was rude and incongenial at times during the NBA playoffs. I had alot going on in the real world and some of the things that happened just exacerbated the situation for me.

I hope you guys enjoy the offseason.

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 11:06 PM
No hard feelings, llama. Emotions were running high, things happen, no big deal. Hope all is well with you these days. :)

ro_50
07-12-2006, 11:08 PM
I want to use this thread to apologize to some of you guys. RO50, Nuggets4, Ryhmesayers, Clockwork Orange, and a couple of others. I was rude and incongenial at times during the NBA playoffs. I had alot going on in the real world and some of the things that happened just exacerbated the situation for me.

I hope you guys enjoy the offseason.


No hard feelings at all. I was rude at times too.

I hope everything is ok w/ you in the real world.

Mavs are a great team and I have never disputed that and I think they have made some good moves so far in the offseason. I'm high on Maurice Ager.

rubaiyat
07-12-2006, 11:09 PM
Precisely why I said that there would have to be a third team involved for Iverson to be sent to Denver. It makes no sense from Philly's perspective to deal directly with the Nuggets.

I think his intent is more plugging the Celts offer of a bunch of young guys than shoring up any deficiencies in a Denver offer.

Clockwork Orange
07-12-2006, 11:40 PM
Some good news for the Celts fans.

Pierce agrees to a three year extension. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41493/20060713/pierce_agrees_to_three_year_contract_extension_wit h_celtics/)

Now some not so good news for the Celts fans. From the same article:

The C's are still very hot on the trail of Allen Iverson, but, according to a source yesterday, the 76ers have some other strong options in the marketplace.

The latest court ruling that Atlanta now can acquire and sign players to deals of longer than one year may have opened a key avenue for Philadelphia as far as facilitating a deal.

It was also confirmed yesterday that the Celtics already may have been able to do an Iverson deal had they not sent the No.7 pick in June's draft to Portland as part of the Sebastian Telfair trade. The Sixers were very high on Villanova guard Randy Foye, who was taken by the Trail Blazers at No.7. However, Minnesota probably would have plucked Foye at No.7 if it didn't have a deal in place with Portland or if there was a chance of Foye getting away.

Nuggets4
07-13-2006, 08:44 AM
One guy on the Nugs board I post on said that he heard the following on the radio:

"Less than 15 minutes ago, 570AM reported that Denver has stepped away from the GS/ATL 3-way trade idea because it is now in serious talks with Philly for Iverson"

GonzoLays
07-13-2006, 09:00 AM
One guy on the Nugs board I post on said that he heard the following on the radio:

"Less than 15 minutes ago, 570AM reported that Denver has stepped away from the GS/ATL 3-way trade idea because it is now in serious talks with Philly for Iverson"

Blah, blah, blah...

I wonder how all these radio stations get the inside scoop before everybody else? In Boston they were doing the same thing. Three different radio stations speculated three different offers the Celtic's presented Philly for Iverson on draft night.

Rumors help pay the bills!

RhymesayersDU
07-13-2006, 09:33 AM
Gooooo Nuggets & Sixers.

Clockwork Orange
07-13-2006, 03:59 PM
Looks like the Suns won't get their man after all.

76ers agree to sign & trade Salmons to Toronto. (http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story/?ID=171218&hubname=)

WABronco
07-13-2006, 04:08 PM
Looks like the Suns won't get their man after all.

76ers agree to sign & trade Salmons to Toronto. (http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story/?ID=171218&hubname=)
Solid career move for Salmons...Ha!

Toronto over Phoenix? Yikes. Toronto must've really upped the offer...

bombay
07-13-2006, 04:14 PM
According the boys in Philly, the trade exception money is 3.6 million and must be used this year. Could be a prelude to moving Iverson.

freak6
07-13-2006, 04:35 PM
This would launch into the Western Conference finals next season, I guarantee.

RhymesayersDU
07-13-2006, 04:38 PM
This would launch into the Western Conference finals next season, I guarantee.
Quoted For Truth.

MechanicalBull
07-13-2006, 06:08 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-suns-piatkowski&prov=ap&type=lgns

guess you nuggets fans missed out on your shooter again. Piatkowski goes to the Suns. :rofl:

ludo21
07-13-2006, 07:13 PM
cool. I like our 3 pointers!!!

-Slap-
07-13-2006, 07:52 PM
I want to use this thread to apologize to some of you guys. RO50, Nuggets4, Ryhmesayers, Clockwork Orange, and a couple of others. I was rude and incongenial at times during the NBA playoffs. I had alot going on in the real world and some of the things that happened just exacerbated the situation for me.

I hope you guys enjoy the offseason.
Obviously you're planning on devoting an entire thread to your apology to me and you're still trying to find the right words. I understand completely. In fact, don't even bother, Llama. Since I'm the bigger man I'm going to release you from the moral obligation of apologizing to me publicly.

You can PM me if you're more comfortable with private supplication.

Clockwork Orange
07-13-2006, 09:42 PM
Six teams paying luxury tax for last season. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41510/20060713/coon_six_teams_to_pay_luxury_tax_for_2005_2006/)

New York Knicks : $37.2 million
Dallas Mavericks : $17.3 million
Orlando Magic : $7.8 million
Indiana Pacers : $4.7 million
Memphis Grizzlies : $3.7 million
San Antonio Spurs : $.9 million

So on top of their wretched payroll (which exceeds $100 million), the Knicks had to pay an additional $37.2 million just for the privilege of putting that 23-59 team on the floor. :rofl:

-Slap-
07-13-2006, 09:49 PM
Six teams paying luxury tax for last season. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41510/20060713/coon_six_teams_to_pay_luxury_tax_for_2005_2006/)

New York Knicks : $37.2 million
Dallas Mavericks : $17.3 million
Orlando Magic : $7.8 million
Indiana Pacers : $4.7 million
Memphis Grizzlies : $3.7 million
San Antonio Spurs : $.9 million

So on top of their wretched payroll (which exceeds $100 million), the Knicks had to pay an additional $37.2 million just for the privilege of putting that 23-59 team on the floor. :rofl:

And Mark Cuban's latest attempt to buy a championship ends in bitter failure.

Nuggets4
07-14-2006, 06:48 AM
Six teams paying luxury tax for last season. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41510/20060713/coon_six_teams_to_pay_luxury_tax_for_2005_2006/)

New York Knicks : $37.2 million
Dallas Mavericks : $17.3 million
Orlando Magic : $7.8 million
Indiana Pacers : $4.7 million
Memphis Grizzlies : $3.7 million
San Antonio Spurs : $.9 million

So on top of their wretched payroll (which exceeds $100 million), the Knicks had to pay an additional $37.2 million just for the privilege of putting that 23-59 team on the floor. :rofl:

How did the Magic end up there? The only thing I can come up with is that Penny Hardaway's contract counted in their tax.

Man-Goblin
07-14-2006, 08:43 AM
How did the Magic end up there? The only thing I can come up with is that Penny Hardaway's contract counted in their tax.

Well, I think Francis was close to a $20 mill player, and when they traded him they obviously had to get about $20 mill back in contracts. It should get better, though, because those were expiring deals.

Man-Goblin
07-14-2006, 08:59 AM
Well, I think Francis was close to a $20 mill player, and when they traded him they obviously had to get about $20 mill back in contracts. It should get better, though, because those were expiring deals.

Oh! and don't forget Grant Hill is at the end of his mega-uber-super-deal.

Clockwork Orange
07-14-2006, 10:56 AM
Pacers gain $7.5 million trade exception from Peja deal. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41525/20060714/pacers_gain_$75_million_trade_exception/)

That's one hell of a bargaining chip they just picked up. Well done, Larry.

Clockwork Orange
07-14-2006, 12:28 PM
According the Nuggets board "inside source" (and the guy has been spot on about everything that's gone down this offseason so far), the Nuggets have reached an agreement with Chicago to acquire JR Smith for Howard Eisley and 2 2nd round picks.

Smith fell out of favor in New Orleans and the Bulls have no need for him. He can be erratic, but he's young and he shot 37% from three point range last season, so I guess it makes sense. The Nuggets are basically giving up nothing for him, so I'm cool with it.

Nuggets4
07-14-2006, 12:32 PM
According the Nuggets board "inside source" (and the guy has been spot on about everything that's gone down this offseason so far), the Nuggets have reached an agreement with Chicago to acquire JR Smith for Howard Eisley and 2 2nd round picks.

Smith fell out of favor in New Orleans and the Bulls have no need for him. He can be erratic, but he's young and he shot 37% from three point range last season, so I guess it makes sense. The Nuggets are basically giving up nothing for him, so I'm cool with it.

Damn, beat me to it CO. Gotta love that deal. I forgot Eisley was even on the team. Smith has incredible talent. If we can harness it, we got a huge steal. If not, we traded nothing for nothing.

WABronco
07-14-2006, 12:36 PM
According the Nuggets board "inside source" (and the guy has been spot on about everything that's gone down this offseason so far), the Nuggets have reached an agreement with Chicago to acquire JR Smith for Howard Eisley and 2 2nd round picks.

Smith fell out of favor in New Orleans and the Bulls have no need for him. He can be erratic, but he's young and he shot 37% from three point range last season, so I guess it makes sense. The Nuggets are basically giving up nothing for him, so I'm cool with it.
Solid pick up for Denver. Smith has really seen his stock plummet...jeez.

Hopefully Karl can reign him in...

Clockwork Orange
07-14-2006, 12:39 PM
Damn, beat me to it CO. Gotta love that deal. I forgot Eisley was even on the team. Smith has incredible talent. If we can harness it, we got a huge steal. If not, we traded nothing for nothing.

Absolutely. If he's a flop, it cost them basically nothing. The only reason that Chicago wants Eisley is because his contract isn't guaranteed and they can cut him loose with no cap implications.

Definitely worth the risk to the Nuggets at that price.

Man-Goblin
07-14-2006, 12:55 PM
I like this move. He's still really young and fun to watch. Only downside is he's another shooting guard who can't freaking shoot the 3, but I guess you can't have everything...

RhymesayersDU
07-14-2006, 12:55 PM
Woo hoo, Nuggets making moves. Good times.

eddie mac
07-14-2006, 12:56 PM
What's JR's contract like?

Man-Goblin
07-14-2006, 12:59 PM
I like this move. He's still really young and fun to watch. Only downside is he's another shooting guard who can't freaking shoot the 3, but I guess you can't have everything...

Oops I was thinking of Josh Smith, carry on...

epicSocialism4tw
07-14-2006, 01:00 PM
Unless Smith came across as a total loser in team interviews, I dont see any reason why they would want to dump a talented young player for garbage.

Clockwork Orange
07-14-2006, 01:00 PM
I like this move. He's still really young and fun to watch. Only downside is he's another shooting guard who can't freaking shoot the 3, but I guess you can't have everything...

He's a better three point shooter than anyone else the Nuggets currently have, so I'll take it.

freak6
07-14-2006, 01:02 PM
Yeah, 37% from 3 is good to go, and he is a super athlete. Melo needs help. Can we please move Kenyon now?

Master___Pain
07-14-2006, 01:13 PM
Wow, great move for the nuggs. Low risk and potential for high reward. :thumbsup:

illini2187
07-14-2006, 01:28 PM
Bulls fan here. I figured we picked up J.R. Smith as trade bait. Great trade for the Nuggets. Smith has tons of potential.

Nuggets4
07-14-2006, 01:30 PM
Bulls fan here. I figured we picked up J.R. Smith as trade bait. Great trade for the Nuggets. Smith has tons of potential.

You've gotta be thrilled with the off-season you're having.

illini2187
07-14-2006, 01:42 PM
Definetly, Paxson has done a tremendous job as GM. I like Ty Thomas. I think hes got loads of potential. Our other first round pick Thabo Sefolosha has a chance to be very good. He is a very explosive wing. The Wallace signing was awesome. The one worry i have with the bulls is scoring in the post, since Wallace doesn't exactly light up the scoreboard. Hell we may not need that much scoring...i beleive Da Bulls had the #1 FG% defense in the NBA last year and adding Wallace just adds to the defense.

Al Wilson
07-14-2006, 02:01 PM
Raptors will be a top 6 seed in the East this coming season. Bank it

GonzoLays
07-14-2006, 02:08 PM
According the Nuggets board "inside source" (and the guy has been spot on about everything that's gone down this offseason so far), the Nuggets have reached an agreement with Chicago to acquire JR Smith for Howard Eisley and 2 2nd round picks.

Smith fell out of favor in New Orleans and the Bulls have no need for him. He can be erratic, but he's young and he shot 37% from three point range last season, so I guess it makes sense. The Nuggets are basically giving up nothing for him, so I'm cool with it.

Speaking of And1 showboat ballers you just acquired the player president of Rucker's Park. If you remember the McDonald's 2004 high school all-star game Smith was pulling up for 30 foot three pointers and his shot selection didn't change once he entered the league. After a promising rookie campaign in which he averaged 10 pts per game he was benched by Byron Scott during his second season for not playing "winning basketball." The other day Scott gave an interview and basically said he was "uncoachable."

There is a reason the Hornets and the Bulls want nothing to do with this kid. What is even more amazing the Bulls didn't want anything to do with him and all he had was one year left on his contract and they have the smallest backcourt in the league. Paxson said he was "looking for some height in the backcourt" when he acquired Smith and the summarily traded him off for a bag of peanuts and another midget guard.

Hopefully things turnaround for him. He has all the talent in the world but he just doesn't get the NBA game.

Clockwork Orange
07-14-2006, 02:13 PM
Speaking of And1 showboat ballers you just acquired the player president of Rucker's Park. If you remember the McDonald's 2004 high school all-star game Smith was pulling up for 30 foot three pointers and his shot selection didn't change once he entered the league. After a promising rookie campaign in which he averaged 10 pts per game he was benched by Byron Scott during his second season for not playing "winning basketball." The other day Scott gave an interview and basically said he was "uncoachable."

There is a reason the Hornets and the Bulls won't nothing to do with this kid. What is even more amazing the Bulls didn't want anything to do with him and all he had was one year left on his contract and they have the smallest backcourt in the league. Paxson said he was "looking for some height in the backcourt" when he acquired Smith and the summarily traded him off for a bag of peanuts and another midget guard.

Hopefully things turnaround for him. He has all the talent in the world but he just doesn't get the NBA game.

For Howard Eisley and a pair of 2nd round picks, he's worth the risk. Word is that the Bulls tried to hold out for a 1st rounder for him and found no takers. That's when they settled on the package the Nuggets offered up.

RhymesayersDU
07-14-2006, 03:55 PM
NBA Rumor Central: Warriors, Pacers Wait On Decision

Friday, July 14

Warriors, Pacers Wait On Decision
Jul 14 - The Contra Costa Times reports a person familiar with the negotiations said the sign-and-trade deal for Al Harrington is taking so long to work out because Atlanta hasn't decided what's enough in return from the Golden State Warriors or Indiana Pacers for the free agent.

Cavs To Sign Wesley
Jul 14 - The Willoughby News-Herald reports the Clevaland Cavaliers are close to signing David Wesley.

Stevenson Still Interests Wizards
Jul 14 - The Washington Post reports the Wizards continue to express interest in, but have not offered a contract to DeShawn Stevenson. He will not return to the Orlando Magic after they signed Keith Bogans yesterday.

Butler Contract Undecided
Jul 14 - The New York Post reports the Knicks are undecided if they're going to match the three-year, $7 million offer sheet Jackie Butler signed with the San Antonio Spurs. According to the newspaper, for the Knicks to match, it would cost $14 million, including the luxury tax.

Gooden May Seek Sign-And-Trade Deal
Jul 14 - Drew Gooden and the Cleveland Cavaliers are at an impasse concerning a new contract and according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Gooden and his agent may seek a sign-and-trade scenario. The newspaper reports Phoenix, Chicago, Boston and Philadelphia are interested in Gooden.

"We're trying to see if any sign-and-trades work," Calvin Andrews, Gooden's agent told the Willoughby News-Herald. "We are trying to exhaust every avenue. We're working through some different things. ... "They can make an offer he likes. That's what he would prefer. Drew wants to stay in Cleveland. If they make an offer that makes sense, we'll do it. If a sign-and-trade makes more sense, we'll do that. We're not ready to hit the panic button."

Nothing Imminent For Jones
Jul 14 - The Indianapolis Star reports the agent for Fred Jones said Thursday that he's been in contact with several teams, including the Pacers, about his client, but nothing appears imminent.

"There's been dialogue with teams, but when you're restricted there are some limitations because teams know the Pacers have a chance to match," agent Bill Duffy told the newspaper.

Thursday, July 13

Celtics Still Hot For Iverson
Jul 13 - The Boston Herald reports the Celtics are still very hot on the trail of Allen Iverson, but, according to a source yesterday, the 76ers have some other strong options in the marketplace.

Nuggets Eye Jones
Jul 13 - The Rocky Mountain News reports agent David Lee said the Nuggets have contacted him about Charlotte Bobcats free agent Jumaine Jones.

ro_50
07-14-2006, 03:57 PM
I like this move by the Nuggets to get JR Smith. There is an opening there at the two guard spot and if his head is on straight, you guys got your future two guard.

I believe in his talent and potential. The Spurs almost acquired him at the trade deadline for Brent Barry and Pop thinks the world of his abilities.

The Bulls had no need for him and the Nuggets got a player for basically spare change.

Clockwork Orange
07-14-2006, 08:04 PM
Here's what Gonzo was talking about with JR Smith at the HS All American game.

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Clockwork Orange
07-14-2006, 11:57 PM
Pistons sign Flip Murray. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2520208)

SimonFletcher73
07-15-2006, 03:29 AM
If only there was a modern day Mark Price or Jeff Hornacek for the Nuggets to pick up. Thats pretty much all we need.

Hopefully JR Smith is picked up. I don't see much more than a Deshaun Stevenson type player though.

RhymesayersDU
07-22-2006, 10:00 PM
http://www.nba.com/media/nuggets/nugs_acquire_smith_290.jpg

Nuggets Land J.R. Smith from the Bulls
The Nuggets acquired 6-foot-6 shooting guard J.R. Smith from the Chicago Bulls on July 20. The 20-year-old Smith spent his first two NBA seasons with the Hornets, averaging 9.2 ppg. He shot .394 from three-point range in 2005-06.

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Although it doesn't say in the blurb, the Nuggs sent Howard Eisley and two 2nd-round picks to Chi-Town for Smith.

He has some flaws in his game, but he's young and athletic, and he plays the 2-guard spot. He's better then everybody else we've put at the spot. Thank God.

Clockwork Orange
07-22-2006, 10:47 PM
And a bumpety bump back to the front page for this one.

All signs point to Reggie The Bagpincher returning to Denver. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41625/20060722/evans_agent_optimistic_hell_stay_in_denver/)

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 12:40 AM
Looks like Al Harrington is about to be headed back to Indiana. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41603/20060720/al_harrington_traded_to_the_pacers/)

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 12:50 AM
Totally forgot about this thread, but the Nuggs traded for Smith. It's in another thread I made.

I'm excited. He may have flaws in his game, but he's young, athletic, and way better then anybody who has played that spot in the past 3 years.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 12:51 AM
http://www.nba.com/media/nuggets/nugs_acquire_smith_290.jpg

Nuggets Land J.R. Smith from the Bulls
The Nuggets acquired 6-foot-6 shooting guard J.R. Smith from the Chicago Bulls on July 20. The 20-year-old Smith spent his first two NBA seasons with the Hornets, averaging 9.2 ppg. He shot .394 from three-point range in 2005-06.

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Although it doesn't say in the blurb, the Nuggs sent Howard Eisley and two 2nd-round picks to Chi-Town for Smith.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 12:54 AM
I'm excited. He may have flaws in his game, but he's young, athletic, and way better then anybody who has played that spot in the past 3 years.

They also gave up practically nothing to get him and his salary is pretty minimal. Not a whole lot of risk involved.

I also read a snippet from an ESPN Insider article that was posted elsewhere (wouldn't dream of posting it here, I'm a stickler for the rules and all ;D) that the most impressive players at the Team USA practices in Vegas have been Chris Paul & Carmelo Anthony. :thumbs:

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 12:56 AM
woo hoo! the mane is up and running and i get my NBA Offseason Thread fix out of the way. What's up with Keith Van Horn? anyone heard anything? Mid-level maybe? please don't tell me the nuggs are done. yes. i've been drinking. ha.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 01:00 AM
woo hoo! the mane is up and running and i get my NBA Offseason Thread fix out of the way. What's up with Keith Van Horn? anyone heard anything? Mid-level maybe? please don't tell me the nuggs are done. yes. i've been drinking. ha.

According to the inside source (the same one who gave us the news of the JR Smith trade two days before it was talked about in the RMN or anywhere else) has said that the Nuggets are are working on a deal for another wing player/shooter. He wouldn't say who, but someone brought up Eddie House and he said, "Think bigger than Eddie House." I doubt that it was Van Horn he was talking about. He also said that the Nuggets are still very much in the running for Iverson, but if another deal comes up that they like, they'll pull their offer off the table with Philly and go another direction. They're not going to wait around for Billy King to make up his mind and it's looking more and more like Iverson could be back in Philly at the beginning of next season.

Van Horn wouldn't be a bad option if all else fails. He won't command much $$ and he's a decent shooter. I'd take him if nothing else materializes

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 01:10 AM
According to the inside source (the same one who gave us the news of the JR Smith trade two days before it was talked about in the RMN or anywhere else) has said that the Nuggets are are working on a deal for another wing player/shooter. He wouldn't say who, but someone brought up Eddie House and he said, "Think bigger than Eddie House." I doubt that it was Van Horn he was talking about. He also said that the Nuggets are still very much in the running for Iverson, but if another deal comes up that they like, they'll pull their offer off the table with Philly and go another direction. They're not going to wait around for Billy King to make up his mind and it's looking more and more like Iverson could be back in Philly at the beginning of next season.

Van Horn wouldn't be a bad option if all else fails. He won't command much $$ and he's a decent shooter. I'd take him if nothing else materializes

Drool. No idea who it would be, though. I would love Iverson, but not really sure if he's worth giving up Miller and Camby for (Camby especially).

I'm really starting to like Warky. He seems pretty savy. Hopefully he's the guy in charge and Stan just smiles and nods at what he proposes. Kroenke seems to, at least, give him at lot more respect and sway than he ever gave Kiki. Plus, Warky is a cool nickname for a GM.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 01:12 AM
I'm really starting to like Warky. He seems pretty savy. Hopefully he's the guy in charge and Stan just smiles and nods at what he proposes. Kroenke seems to, at least, give him at lot more respect and sway than he ever gave Kiki. Plus, Warky is a cool nickname for a GM.

It sounds like it's Warky & Bearup who are making most of the decisions while getting input from Karl and Kroenke having the final say.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 01:17 AM
This whole being pro-active and making deals thing makes me tingley all over. Thanks for nothing, Kiki.

And I read on insider that we were looking at Van Horn and were still in the AI running. The cool thing about this AI deal is that I don't expect it to happen at all, which will make me that much more excited if we DO do it.

But this whole other deal being worked on is intriguing.

And Goooo Carmelo!

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 01:20 AM
In an unrelated topic, are the NBA balls used in-season going to have that white stripe on them? I don't recall seeing it on the balls they showed when it was first announced... Kinda funky, but I'll get used to it.

I'd love it if we went ABA style, but it'll never happen.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 01:22 AM
I don't think they did, but I could be wrong.

http://www.nba.com/media/usab/canthony_400_060719.jpg

I guess I could get used to it, though I agree that the red, white & blue ball would be cool to see again.

ludo21
07-23-2006, 01:23 AM
Where is this white striped ball at?

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 01:24 AM
This whole being pro-active and making deals thing makes me tingley all over. Thanks for nothing, Kiki.

And I read on insider that we were looking at Van Horn and were still in the AI running. The cool thing about this AI deal is that I don't expect it to happen at all, which will make me that much more excited if we DO do it.

But this whole other deal being worked on is intriguing.

And Goooo Carmelo!

Carmelo's has got to make this freaking squad. At least, I hope so. It can't be anything but good for him; working out in with the best players in the world will only make him better. Plus, everything I've read is that this team is alllllll business and ready to bring home the gold at the world championships.

Imagine that? Modern players treating the World Championships like it's freaking Fort Knox. I think it's awesome.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 01:26 AM
Jesus CO, that Av is scary. Nene needs to shave his head or something.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 01:27 AM
Jesus CO, that Av is scary. Nene needs to shave his head or something.

http://letyoursoulglo.ytmnd.com/

;D

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 01:33 AM
Jesus CO, that Av is scary. Nene needs to shave his head or something.

I dug the mini fro he had for the 3 minutes he played last year. But the hair is getting out of control. Hopefully the Nuggets can cquire AI's hairdresser to help him out. That sht would look tight braided.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 01:40 AM
Carmelo's has got to make this freaking squad. At least, I hope so. It can't be anything but good for him; working out in with the best players in the world will only make him better. Plus, everything I've read is that this team is alllllll business and ready to bring home the gold at the world championships.

Imagine that? Modern players treating the World Championships like it's freaking Fort Knox. I think it's awesome.

I think Carmelo will make the squad. Everything being said is great, and Coach K has said he likes his game. Plus I think there is going to be a focus on the young guys, so they can form a nucleus to stay together for years.

Now, as for this whole "all business" thing, I'm skeptical. Now everybody knows that I don't care what these guys do off-the court, or field, or ice, or whatever. As long as it doesn't affect their play, these guys can do whatever thye want.

But, with that said, I was listening to this local radio show in Denver that comes on right after Jim Rome on 950 AM... It's two guys, one is a Nuggets guy and one is a former Bronco... the names escape me. Anyways, the point that the nuggets guy made was, if this is supposed to be all business, why go to Vegas? Why not the Springs which has an olympic training grounds? Why go to a place where the guys are going to want to get laid, party, etc the whole time? Why go to a place with temptation 24 hours a day?

Like I said, I don't care what these guys do off the court. Wanna go to a club? Fine. Hell I've seen Mike Anderson, during the season, downtown on a thursday night smoking a cigarette, which can't be good for a running back.

But with that said, I'm not going to buy this "we're all business" thing until I see the final cut and see them play. I totally see the guy's point. Vegas is trouble.

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 01:40 AM
Oh yeah, and speaking of new hair (sorry about the double post)
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/pete_mcentegart/07/20/ten.spot/p1_nash.jpg

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 01:44 AM
I think Carmelo will make the squad. Everything being said is great, and Coach K has said he likes his game. Plus I think there is going to be a focus on the young guys, so they can form a nucleus to stay together for years.

Now, as for this whole "all business" thing, I'm skeptical. Now everybody knows that I don't care what these guys do off-the court, or field, or ice, or whatever. As long as it doesn't affect their play, these guys can do whatever thye want.

But, with that said, I was listening to this local radio show in Denver that comes on right after Jim Rome on 950 AM... It's two guys, one is a Nuggets guy and one is a former Bronco... the names escape me. Anyways, the point that the nuggets guy made was, if this is supposed to be all business, why go to Vegas? Why not the Springs which has an olympic training grounds? Why go to a place where the guys are going to want to get laid, party, etc the whole time? Why go to a place with temptation 24 hours a day?

Like I said, I don't care what these guys do off the court. Wanna go to a club? Fine. Hell I've seen Mike Anderson, during the season, downtown on a thursday night smoking a cigarette, which can't be good for a running back.

But with that said, I'm not going to buy this "we're all business" thing until I see the final cut and see them play. I totally see the guy's point. Vegas is trouble.

Maybe having it in Vegas is a test of sorts to see who's really committed and who isn't. Maybe they want to see how these guys are going to operate amidst distractions. Maybe they want to see who's going to party late into the night and then stumble in to practice and who is going to stay focused, get a good night's sleep and be ready to go when practice starts.

Just an idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the thinking behind it.

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 01:46 AM
I think Carmelo will make the squad. Everything being said is great, and Coach K has said he likes his game. Plus I think there is going to be a focus on the young guys, so they can form a nucleus to stay together for years.

Now, as for this whole "all business" thing, I'm skeptical. Now everybody knows that I don't care what these guys do off-the court, or field, or ice, or whatever. As long as it doesn't affect their play, these guys can do whatever thye want.

But, with that said, I was listening to this local radio show in Denver that comes on right after Jim Rome on 950 AM... It's two guys, one is a Nuggets guy and one is a former Bronco... the names escape me. Anyways, the point that the nuggets guy made was, if this is supposed to be all business, why go to Vegas? Why not the Springs which has an olympic training grounds? Why go to a place where the guys are going to want to get laid, party, etc the whole time? Why go to a place with temptation 24 hours a day?

Like I said, I don't care what these guys do off the court. Wanna go to a club? Fine. Hell I've seen Mike Anderson, during the season, downtown on a thursday night smoking a cigarette, which can't be good for a running back.

But with that said, I'm not going to buy this "we're all business" thing until I see the final cut and see them play. I totally see the guy's point. Vegas is trouble.

I think I was listening to those same two guys on the stream in my cube, and it all didn't make much sense to me. Last time team USA began a training camp it was in Jacksonville, FL (I know, because I was living there at the time). And believe me, those guys still found a way to get out on the town. Hell, I watched the Mike Tyson fight in a bar a booth over from Amare and his 20 man entourage the night before their first scrimage; I think against Puerto Rico.

Point is, if these guys want to go out, they'll go out. Even in a po'dunk town like J-ville. But eveything I've hear is that they're concentrating on basketball.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 01:46 AM
Maybe having it in Vegas is a test of sorts to see who's really committed and who isn't. Maybe they want to see how these guys are going to operate amidst distractions. Maybe they want to see who's going to party late into the night and then stumble in to practice and who is going to stay focused, get a good night's sleep and be ready to go when practice starts.

Just an idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the thinking behind it.
You know, I really never thought of it like that.

They don't call you Clockwork "The Voice Of Reason" Orange for nothing.

ludo21
07-23-2006, 01:46 AM
Oh yeah, and speaking of new hair (sorry about the double post)
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/pete_mcentegart/07/20/ten.spot/p1_nash.jpg


WOWOWOWOWOO!!!!

I knew he cut it, but i hadnt seen the new style yet. But WTH!!!!

LOL, that is weird looking.

At least he can see the whole court now, can Nash get better? Sucks for the rest of the NBA ;D

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 01:48 AM
I think I was listening to those same two guys on the stream in my cube, and it all didn't make much sense to me. Last time team USA began a training camp it was in Jacksonville, FL (I know, because I was living there at the time). And believe me, those guys still found a way to get out on the town. Hell, I watched the Mike Tyson fight in a bar a booth over from Amare and his 20 man entourage the night before their first scrimage; I think against Puerto Rico.

Point is, if these guys want to go out, they'll go out. Even in a po'dunk town like J-ville. But eveything I've hear is that they're concentrating on basketball.
Oh I absolutely agree with you. But there's a big difference, IMO, between a city where the clubs close at 2 am and a city where the clubs don't close at all. But you've got a point, these guys could party anywhere.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 01:50 AM
WOWOWOWOWOO!!!!

I knew he cut it, but i hadnt seen the new style yet. But WTH!!!!

LOL, that is weird looking.

At least he can see the whole court now, can Nash get better? Sucks for the rest of the NBA ;D
Can Nash get better? Maybe!

But, I don't think he gets a 3rd MVP trophy, so this could be an interesting discussion. Who is our 06-07 NBA MVP?

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 01:51 AM
Can Nash get better? Maybe!

But, I don't think he gets a 3rd MVP trophy, so this could be an interesting discussion. Who is our 06-07 NBA MVP?

Nash. The great white hope can only be better now that he doesn't have to tuck his bangs behind his ears after every play.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 01:52 AM
But, I don't think he gets a 3rd MVP trophy, so this could be an interesting discussion. Who is our 06-07 NBA MVP?

I see it as being the usual suspects, Nash, Kobe, Lebron, Nowitzki and Wade. Someone outside of those guys will have to make a serious push to nudge their way to the top of that group.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 01:53 AM
Nash. The great white hope can only be better now that he doesn't have to tuck his bangs behind his ears after every play.
You think Nash could get another?

I never personally bought the argument that "giving him 2 mvp's puts him in a class with such and such players" or anything. For me, it's all about the here and now... But I don't see people giving him a 3rd... But wow, that would be epic.

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 01:56 AM
You think Nash could get another?

I never personally bought the argument that "giving him 2 mvp's puts him in a class with such and such players" or anything. For me, it's all about the here and now... But I don't see people giving him a 3rd... But wow, that would be epic.

No, I don't see it. I think either Kobe or Dirk gets it next year. Kobe probably should have probably got it last year; and I think the Lakers will be better. In the reg season, anyway.

ludo21
07-23-2006, 01:59 AM
No, I don't see it. I think either Kobe or Dirk gets it next year. Kobe probably should have probably got it last year; and I think the Lakers will be better. In the reg season, anyway.

Kobe last year. nooo...

After Dirks decent exposure in the playoffs, he may have a shot next year.

Wade has been already pushed in Jordan esque class, so he is my favorite as of now.

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 02:01 AM
Kobe last year. nooo...

After Dirks decent exposure in the playoffs, he may have a shot next year.

Wade has been already pushed in Jordan esque class, so he is my favorite as of now.

Wade will never get it as long as Shaq is there. I forgot to mention that if Cleveland finishes in the the top three next year Lebron could win it by default(*edit; top 3 in the East I mean) Which he may deserve; I guess we'll have to see how things play out.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 02:05 AM
-insert Dirk not winning it due to the jersey conspiracy here-

I think there's a Fab 4 next year who will be in the running -- Kobe, Dirk, DWade, LBJ... I want to add Elton Brand as the fifth... But he's still a Clipper, and I just don't know if that's going to happen. Tremendous player as we all know, just... I don't know.

Man-Goblin
07-23-2006, 02:09 AM
-insert Dirk not winning it due to the jersey conspiracy here-

I think there's a Fab 4 next year who will be in the running -- Kobe, Dirk, DWade, LBJ... I want to add Elton Brand as the fifth... But he's still a Clipper, and I just don't know if that's going to happen. Tremendous player as we all know, just... I don't know.

Could you Imagine the Bulls with Brand right now? They would be the favorite to win it all, in my opinion.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 05:09 AM
Carmelo Turning Heads In Vegas. (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_4084082)

Las Vegas - Carmelo Anthony has yet to play in an NBA All-Star Game. He was viewed as being on the bubble for one of the 12 spots on Team USA, which plays in the world championships in Japan next month.

But through the first week of practice here, he's being described by USA and Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski as "one of our key guys" and is expected to make the team - in fact, no one was making a bigger impression than the Nuggets' forward.

"Very consistent. Very focused," said Miami guard Dwyane Wade, the 2006 NBA Finals MVP. "He's been the best performer here."

Added USA guard Chauncey Billups: "He's showing that he's definitely one of the best players in the world."

Anthony came to camp in great shape after working on his conditioning daily this summer, most of the time in Denver. But questions lingered about whether he was a team player or if he'd play defense. So far, several coaches and players say Anthony has played unselfishly and as hard as anyone. He's surprised some by showing leadership skills.

Is it safe to say Melo will make the team?

"He's been one of the best players here," Krzyzewski said. "No one has worked any harder than him during these four days. He's been a real pleasure to have. I've watched him during the NBA season. I think he's better. Not because we're making him better. Whatever he's done since the end of the season, he's better.

"I'm not sure that the perception out there is that he is a mature guy. But he really has been a mature professional. In addition to having an upside, he really just graduated from college. He's got to be one of our key guys."

"He's playing defense, rebounding, running the floor," USA assistant and Phoenix Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said. "He seems like he's on a mission."

Cavaliers forward LeBron James described Anthony as "refreshed. It looks like he's been working real hard."

Anthony admits he came to camp feeling he had something to prove.

"I want to make a statement," he said. "It's a new beginning. Two weeks ago, I said this is like a new beginning for me with the USA team and the Nuggets. I really want to take a different approach and show people what I'm all about."

James, Anthony and Wade were the highlights of the 2003 NBA draft class, but Anthony has been overshadowed by the other two, despite averaging 26.5 points this past season. James and Wade are two-time NBA all-stars, but Anthony has yet to be selected. And while Anthony hasn't gotten his team past the first round in the playoffs, Wade led Miami to the championship this year and James took Cleveland to the second round.

Anthony is confident he can play on the same level as James and Wade, but understands why he's not always viewed as being in their class.
"They took it a step further," he said. "LeBron got out of the first round. Dwyane winning a ring. Once I do (something comparable), it's right back to normal."

Said Wade: "Everyone has the time in their life where they get the attention....My rookie year, it was him and LeBron. Now it's me and LeBron. Hopefully, soon, they will put all three of us (together)."

Though he felt in peak physical shape when he arrived here last week, Anthony came with baggage.

He played little for Team USA at the 2004 Athens Olympics and was criticized for being disappointed with his playing time. Off-court issues since have hampered his public persona.

A talk with USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo and help from his college coach, Syracuse's Jim Boeheim, a USA assistant, led to him being given another shot with Team USA.

"There were some guys that might have questioned everything," Boeheim said. "He's proven what he can do. He's worked hard. Worked hard on defense. Sometimes you get a certain reputation, where something happened maybe two years ago or a year ago and it becomes life, when it really isn't."

USA forward Bruce Bowen had heard some of the negative talk about Anthony but wanted to wait until he spent time with him to make up his mind.

He has gained considerable respect for his Western Conference rival.

"Everyone's made mistakes in this game. But they seem to persecute some guys because of what they see on the outside. They see the tattoos. They see the hair braided. It's like, 'Gang member.' That's not the case.

"This kid is real good and he wants to be a part of this. He could have easily said, 'Nah, I'm not going to play in this. I've played in this before.' But he's come back - and that speaks volumes about him as a person to me."

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/90/full.getty-71469898nb057_usa_prac_10_15_07_pm.jpg

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 05:15 AM
Anthony Impressive For Team USA (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4863916,00.html)

Carmelo Anthony came in looking for redemption. He’s right on course.
Anthony is a lock to be named one of the 15 players chosen Tuesday to accompany Team USA to Asia. Barring the unforeseen, those close to the situation believe the Nuggets forward will make the 12-man team for the World Championship, Aug. 19-Sept. 3 in Japan.

"Not surprised,’’ Team USA coach Mike Krzyzewski told reporters Saturday during training camp in Las Vegas, when asked if he was surprised at how well Anthony has played. "I’m really pleased. He’s played very well every day. Because I didn’t get a chance to see these guys in person, I didn’t know he’s as good a shooter as he is.’’

Krzyzewski was busy coaching Duke last season when Anthony averaged 26.5 points, the most by a Nuggets player in 15
years.

Saturday was the fourth day of camp. Nuggets coach George Karl got reports from assistant Tim Grgurich from the first two days of camp and Karl said Anthony was a "top-five player’’ in camp.

"Carmelo has stood out,’’ Krzyzewski told reporters Friday. "He’s like on a mission.’’

Anthony is determined to make up for a disappointing performance at the 2004 Olympics. He played sparingly and was labeled an attitude problem by coach Larry Brown.

ESPN.com has called Anthony "a lock to make the active roster, and he may even be earning himself a spot in the starting lineup.’’ Team USA director Jerry Colangelo told ESPN.com, "Carmelo came in here as part of a mission, and he has played accordingly. He’s making a statement early on in this camp with how much he wants to make the team.’’

The team continues practice Sunday and Monday. The 15 players who will go to Asia will be announced at a press conference Tuesday morning at Las Vegas’ Wynn hotel, and Anthony can expect to hear his name called.

"He’s up, he’s an easy guy to play with,’’ Krzyzewski told reporters about Anthony on Saturday. "I really like him. I think he’s a hell of a defender, too. He’s a great player. It looks like he wants to be that. It looks like he wants to be better. He’s come here not only wanting to play well, but to get better.’’

After Tuesday’s announcement, players will be given a five-day break before continuing to practice in Las Vegas in preparation for an Aug. 3 exhibition game there against Puerto Rico. Then it’s on to China for two exhibition games and to South Korea for two.

The 15 players must be cut down to the final 12 by Aug. 18.

With several players injured or not candidates for the World Championship, there are 18 players fighting for the initial 15 spots. Figuring to get cut are forward Adam Morrison, either point guard Luke Ridnour or Kirk Hinrich and a big man, possibly Amare Stoudemire, who is not back to himself after undergoing knee surgery.
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High praise from some great coaches and players thus far. The guy gets knocked for every little thing he does wrong, so it's nice to see him getting some positive articles written about him for a change.

Keep up the good work, kid. :thumbs:

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 08:39 AM
Wait, so is Amare there and playing?

I haven't really kept up with the situation, but how is he looking? ludo, you hearing anything out of Phoenix?

But man, that is great to hear about Carmelo. I mean, he's viewed as a thug, which isn't true. He hasn't made the AS Game, and that is flat out on him. Gotta elevate his game. He hasn't gotten the Nuggs out of the first round, but that's so not on him, IMO. I mean, when you get triple teamed and nobody else can make a shot, it's shows how overrated the Nugs were. Our lack of shooting gave us our early exit, not Carmelo.

He'll be right there with DWade and LBJ, I think.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-23-2006, 09:50 AM
He wouldn't say who, but someone brought up Eddie House and he said, "Think bigger than Eddie House." I doubt that it was Van Horn he was talking about.

He said it was a starting #2 off of a playoff team from last year

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 01:20 PM
Cuban and Avery Johnson clash over new contract. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41631/20060723/avery_cuban_clash_on_contract/)

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 01:26 PM
Also on RealGM: The T'Wolves want Reggie Evans.

/insert joke here

BroncoBuff
07-23-2006, 02:13 PM
Carmelo Turning Heads In Vegas. (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_4084082)

Las Vegas - Carmelo Anthony has yet to play in an NBA All-Star Game. He was viewed as being on the bubble for one of the 12 spots on Team USA, which plays in the world championships in Japan next month.

But through the first week of practice here, he's being described by USA and Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski as "one of our key guys" and is expected to make the team - in fact, no one was making a bigger impression than the Nuggets' forward.
I have no idea who would be surprised by this ... he's raised his game by quantum leaps since 04.

Don't they read box scores?

GonzoLays
07-23-2006, 02:18 PM
They will make good teammates because Griffin shoots a load and Evans is really good at grabbing loose balls. When Eddie misses, Reggie is right there to clean up the mess.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 02:21 PM
They will make good teammates because Griffin shoots a load and Evans is really good at grabbing loose balls. When Eddie misses, Reggie is right there to clean up the mess.
Holy sexual innuendo, Batman!

GonzoLays
07-23-2006, 02:32 PM
Looks like the Mavs acquired Anthony Johnson from the Pacers for Darrell Armstrong. Johnson dropped 40 pts in a game against the Nets in the playoffs while Darrell Armstrong was the 12th man for the Mavs. Good move for Dallas. I like all their moves so far this offseason.

PG Terry/Johnson
SG Harris/Buckner
C Diop/Dampier
PF Dirk/Croshere
SF Howard/Stackhouse

That's pretty solid. They are legitimately two deep at every position.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 02:43 PM
Depending on who you ask, they're not two deep at SG.... :)

GonzoLays
07-23-2006, 02:45 PM
Depending on who you ask, they're not two deep at SG.... :)

That's where Eddie Griffin and Reggie Evans step into the picture.

Har

Har

Har

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 02:56 PM
That's where Eddie Griffin and Reggie Evans step into the picture.

Har

Har

Har
You know, when you're not trolling for arguments, you can be very funny.

Rep, for what it's worth.

phibacka31
07-23-2006, 04:36 PM
I'm a pacers fan and I will take both the trades we made to the mavs, any day of the week. with armstrong there were two other guys.:strong:

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 04:38 PM
How are the T-Mutts going to sign Reggie Evans? They already spent their MLE on Mike James and whether or not they have the LLE at their disposal this year is irrelevant since Evans isn't going to sign for that sum.

GonzoLays
07-23-2006, 04:47 PM
How are the T-Mutts going to sign Reggie Evans? They already spent their MLE on Mike James and whether or not they have the LLE at their disposal this year is irrelevant since Evans isn't going to sign for that sum.

How much is an undersized, ball grabbing, offensive deficient PF going for these days? I'd say the LLE is right up his alley unless it is the Nuggs we are talking about. They would probably offer a contract of around 6 years 42 million.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 04:51 PM
How much is an undersized, ball grabbing, offensive deficient PF going for these days? I'd say the LLE is right up his alley unless it is the Nuggs we are talking about. They would probably offer a contract of around 6 years 42 million.

Actually, his offensive deficiencies (odd as it may sound) are a part of what's making him attractive to teams. The reason being that he doesn't demand any shots, which works out well for a team that's already chock full of offensive options (like Minnesota with Garnett, James & Davis). His role is rebounding and he's damn good at it. He's also a serial flopper, so he'll buy a few calls along the way.

The last rumor is that he was looking for a good portion of someone's MLE, so he's likely commanding a salary in the $4.5 million range. Hell, if Greg Buckner can get someone's MLE, I can see it happening for someone like Evans.

GonzoLays
07-23-2006, 04:54 PM
Actually, his offensive deficiencies (odd as it may sound) are a part of what's making him attractive to teams. The reason being that he doesn't demand any shots, which works out well for a team that's already chock full of offensive options (like Minnesota with Garnett, James & Davis). His role is rebounding and he's damn good at it. He's also a serial flopper, so he'll buy a few calls along the way.

The last rumor is that he was looking for a good portion of someone's MLE, so he's likely commanding a salary in the $4.5 million range. Hell, if Greg Buckner can get someone's MLE, I can see it happening for someone like Evans.

Buck got way less than the MLE...I could have sworn I read somewhere that he signed for 5 years 19 million.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 04:59 PM
Buck got way less than the MLE...I could have sworn I read somewhere that he signed for 5 years 19 million.

I'll have to see the figures on it, but the original report was that he got about $5 million per season over the first three years of the deal and that they were the guaranteed years of the contract (with the remaining two years still being negotiated at the time).

By the way, how's this look to you? ;D

GonzoLays
07-23-2006, 05:07 PM
I'll have to see the figures on it, but the original report was that he got about $5 million per season over the first three years of the deal and that they were the guaranteed years of the contract (with the remaining two years still being negotiated at the time).

By the way, how's this look to you? ;D

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=16610&stc=1&d=1153699130

It is painfully obvious that he isn't screaming for joy in that picture. How fitting. He is probably thinking, "they muthaf'ing traded me to the Nuggets. I look like I belong in the WNBA with this silky satin circus clown outfit I got on."

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 05:08 PM
It is painfully obvious that he isn't screaming for joy in that picture. How fitting. He is probably thinking, "they muthaf'ing traded me to the Nuggets. I look like I belong in the WNBA with this silky satin circus clown outfit I got on."

He's probably screaming, "I'm going back to the playoffs, biatch!!" !Booya!

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 05:16 PM
rofl @ dissing the nuggs' unis. Powder blue & yellow > everything

GonzoLays
07-23-2006, 05:27 PM
The new Melo's came out. When asked about the color design, Nike CEO Knight commented "Carmelo was steadfast in demanding the shoes match his Nugget's uniform."

http://www.costumeshopper.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/55891.jpg

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 05:31 PM
The new Melo's came out. When asked about the color design, Nike CEO Knight commented "Carmelo was steadfast in demanding the shoes match his Nugget's uniform."

http://www.costumeshopper.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/55891.jpg

Don't be bitter just because your team is out of the Iverson sweepstakes. You've still got Wally.....and your snazzy green uniforms. :laugh:

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2006, 05:48 PM
The new Melo's came out. When asked about the color design, Nike CEO Knight commented "Carmelo was steadfast in demanding the shoes match his Nugget's uniform."

http://www.costumeshopper.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/55891.jpg
Uh, I believe the Kansas City Chief smack thread is that way. Considering we don't have any red in our uniform at all.

BroncoBuff
07-23-2006, 07:01 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=16610&stc=1&d=1153699130

It is painfully obvious that he isn't screaming for joy in that picture. How fitting. He is probably thinking, "they muthaf'ing traded me to the Nuggets. I look like I belong in the WNBA with this silky satin circus clown outfit I got on."
Remind me to keep this post for next year's OM Gala Awards Photoshop nominations. :yayaya:

Jens1893
07-23-2006, 07:12 PM
For Gonzo

http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/AI-2.jpghttp://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/AI-1.jpg

SoCalBronco
07-23-2006, 07:14 PM
For Gonzo

http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/AI-2.jpghttp://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/AI-1.jpg

Gonzo's wrists are cursing you, Jens.

Jens1893
07-23-2006, 07:18 PM
Gonzo's wrists are cursing you, Jens.

Reminds me of a gamemaster that recently passed away who became famous for the words "Das wδre ihr Preis gewesen!" (This is what your prize would΄ve been)

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 07:26 PM
Remind me to keep this post for next year's OM Gala Awards Photoshop nominations. :yayaya:

It's not my work. Someone on another board put it together, so I can't take credit for it.

GonzoLays
07-23-2006, 08:31 PM
Gonzo's wrists are cursing you, Jens.

I can't bust that nut just yet...he is still a Sixer.

Clockwork Orange
07-23-2006, 08:37 PM
I can't bust that nut just yet...he is still a Sixer.

And it's looking like that's what he'll be when the season starts.

epicSocialism4tw
07-24-2006, 12:13 AM
Buck got way less than the MLE...I could have sworn I read somewhere that he signed for 5 years 19 million.

From the FWST:
...the Mavericks regrouped quickly Wednesday, agreeing to a four-year contract for approximately $10 million with Denver Nuggets free-agent swingman Greg Buckner.

The contract, which will be signed today, is worth a little more than $3 million per year, with the fourth season partially guaranteed.


Buckner, like Terry, gave the hometown discount.

epicSocialism4tw
07-24-2006, 12:16 AM
rofl @ dissing the nuggs' unis. Powder blue & yellow > everything


Yeah, if you like your team to dress in the satin sheets of a cheap sex motel pulled right off of the vibrating bed! ROFL!

Those things are hideous.

Nuggets4
07-24-2006, 07:59 AM
Yeah, if you like your team to dress in the satin sheets of a cheap sex motel pulled right off of the vibrating bed! ROFL!

Those things are hideous.

Considering your team wore hefty bags two years ago in a game, you shouldn't be talking. Besides, I thought you were done with the NBA forever.

RhymesayersDU
07-24-2006, 11:30 AM
Yeah, if you like your team to dress in the satin sheets of a cheap sex motel pulled right off of the vibrating bed! ROFL!

Those things are hideous.
I should have known you'd want to comment on jerseys. After all, you are the jersey expert, being as how it was a massive jersey conspiracy that cost the Mavericks the title.

GonzoLays
07-24-2006, 11:46 AM
Besides, I thought you were done with the NBA forever.

Didn't he write a manifesto detailing the reasons why he quit the NBA? I think the ending was, "I am through with the NBA. The league has lost it's innocence. While Dirk Nowitski will always hold a special, special place in my heart, I must bid fair well to my sweetheart. It is a breakup of epic proportions. He was my daddy, and I was his baby. We laughed together, wept together, and yes, we held each other. It was special. Dirk, you always said I couldn't quit you; I always believed that too. But with tears in my eyes, I must walk away. I must....walk....away..."

Or something to that effect.

Clockwork Orange
07-24-2006, 09:11 PM
According to the inside source who's been posting on Nuggets message boards, Reggie Evans is close to re-signing and they're in continued discussions on other deals, though nothing is imminent right now.

That is all.

Man-Goblin
07-24-2006, 09:26 PM
According to the inside source who's been posting on Nuggets message boards, Reggie Evans is close to re-signing and they're in continued discussions on other deals, though nothing is imminent right now.

That is all.

Good. They need The Claw back. Hopefully, they don't overpay. What are we looking at here, you think? 3-4 mil a year? That would be putting them reallllly close to that luxury tax.

RhymesayersDU
07-25-2006, 11:52 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5807564

NBA merry-go-round, Part 2
Charley Rosen / Special to FOXSports.com

With roughly 10 weeks to go before training camps convene, the merry-go-round is spinning a little faster. Here's the dope on the latest major deals:

Nazr Mohammed — Pistons

Can do: Battle for offensive rebounds. Come from the weak-side to block shots. Occasionally hit right-hand jump hooks and short jumpers. Play hard.

Can't do: Make any kind of shot (even layups) with consistency. Rotate with sufficient alacrity and anticipation on defense. Avoid foul trouble. Pass. Dribble. Hang on to passes, rebounds, and loose balls.

Must do: Undergo a surgical procedure that adds at least two fingers to each hand.

Prognosis: An excellent third-string center whose earnest hustle can make a difference for extremely short periods in dire emergencies. The more he plays, the more his flaws are revealed.

Tyson Chandler — Hornets

Can do: Run, jump, rebound, and block shots. Spin off post-defenders to catch lob passes and then dunk. Shoot a decent percentage on face-up jumpers up to 17-feet. In the low-post, shoot jumpers over either shoulder, but prefers to take left-handed jump hooks from right-box.

Can't do: Pass. Dribble. Avoid being suckered by pump fakes, the result being chronic foul trouble. Hold his own when getting pushed and bullied by every other big man in the league.

Must do: Understand that he'll never be a prime-time scorer. Camp out in the weight-room. Get tougher physically, mentally, and emotionally.

Prognosis: After five years in the league, he's still shy of his 24th birthday and remains a work in progress. Maybe this is the year for Chandler to grow up and become a dependable, defensive-oriented big man. But his lack of inner drive continues to make this a long shot. Still, his size, youth, and lively body add up to a risk worth taking.

P.J. Brown — Bulls

Can do: Play smart, aggressive post defense. Run the floor surprisingly well for a 37-year-old. Knock down mid-range face-up jumpers. Pass.

Can't do: Reverse his penchant for leaning so hard on the post-up player he's defending that he's susceptible to spin moves. Reverse the diminishment of his skills as he ages.

Must do: Be satisfied playing 15-20 useful minutes per game. Become a mentor to the Bulls' young bigs.

Prognosis: A willing sacrificer and teacher, Brown's contributions will be valuable both on and off the court.

Marquis Daniels — Pacers

Can do: Drive, slash, penetrate and pull. Rebound. Post smaller guards. Run and jump. Show active, quick hands on defense.

Can't do: Shoot with any consistency from long range. Pass and handle the ball with care. Play solid, non-gambling defense.

Must do: Slow down and find a comfort zone in half-court sets. Develop more court-awareness. Shoot at least a thousand jumpers every day in the off-season.

Prognosis: If the Pacers are seriously intent on drastically uptempoing their game plan, then Daniels will thrive. However, Daniels is young enough, athletic enough, and long enough to eventually become an excellent player in any system.

Austin Croshere — Mavericks

Can do: Play a strong, solid, hustling game. Bang with the bigs in the battle of the boards. Use head- and pump-fakes in the low post to set up a step-through move. From outside, hit treys. Utilize an excellent jab step and a quick first step to drive the middle. Play defense with enthusiasm.

Can't do: Show quick enough lateral movement to avoid chronic foul trouble. Hit his treys with consistency. Pass. Handle.

Must do: Keep doing what he's always done, but demonstrate more consistency in his long-range dialing.

Prognosis: Can be a key player off the bench. Certainly a major improvement over Keith Van Horn.

Derek Fisher — Jazz

Can do: Hit open jumpers, especially in the clutch. Hit pull-up jumpers, especially in the clutch. Play smart and tough. Make up for lack of foot-speed by playing excellent position defense, with a specialty in drawing charging fouls. Be a supportive and sensible teammate. Be totally coachable.

Can't do: Adequately defend jet-setters. Finish in a crowd. Penetrate. Run.

Must do: Everything that Jerry Sloan tells him — which will be no problem whatsoever.

Prognosis: The perfect point guard for Utah's slow-paced offense, especially with Andre Kirilenko behind him to erase many of his defensive failures.

Devin Brown — Warriors

Can do: Run, penetrate and pull, create his own shots. Show an increasing ability to bury three-balls. Play adequate defense.

Can't do: Pass efficiently. Run a team. Avoid careless turnovers. Must do - Become more of a pass-first point guard.

Prognosis: With the every-man-for-himself Warriors, Brown's lack of court-awareness will hardly be noticed. However, with Baron Davis totally monopolizing the ball, Brown won't get as many touches as he wants, and will yield to the temptation of forcing shots (and passes) whenever the ball does come his way.

Shammond Williams — Lakers

Can do: Bag spot-up shots from mid- and long-range. Hit his money shot — a step-back jumper going left — with regularity. Drive with good quickness both ways.

Can't do: Finish. Pass. Play sound defense.

Must do: Make open shots. Avoid egregious mistakes. Learn the triangle.

Prognosis: An okay back-up point who can do everything better than Smush Parker except make layups in a crowd.

Mike James — T-Wolves

Can do: Bury jumpers from everywhere, particularly from downtown. Drive and dish.

Can't do: Run a team. Play satisfactory defense.

Must do: Stop gambling for steals. Be willing to set up an offense and be open to making more than touchdown passes.

Prognosis: The T-Wolves will be James' sixth team in his six NBA seasons. There's still a lot of "street" in his personality and he consequently doesn't work and play well with others. Will he submit to being a second-option behind Garnett? If James can be domesticated, he could be a major factor in the T-Wolves' resurrection as a playoff team.

Jacque Vaughn — Spurs

Can do: Push the ball, drive and dish. Cross-over right-to-left, get to the hoop, and either finish or draw fouls. Execute an offense. Pressure the ball on defense. Can't do — Hit his jumpers consistently. Show good judgment on his drives (wants to take the ball all the way).

Must do: Run the offense, hit open shots, make good decisions with the ball.

Prognosis: While he's not the scorer that Van Exel was supposed to be (and used to be), Vaughn's talents and proclivities are a perfect fit behind Parker. At the very least, he's certainly miles better than Beno.

Greg Buckner — Mavericks

Can do: Hit perimeter jumpers. Drive hard right — when drives left, will spin back right. Rebound well for a wing-man. Use spin moves when posted on the left block. Play tough, active defense. Always compete.

Can't do: Handle. Pass. Match the foot-speed of the league's quicker wings. Must do - Keep up with the Mavs running game. Make his available shots. Be satisfied with erratic playing time and infrequent touches.

Prognosis: An excellent pickup. Will get Adrian Griffin's time, but is tougher and a half-step quicker. Can be an extremely valuable defensive stopper.

Francisco Elson — Spurs

Can do: Run the floor like a guard. Snatch quick-jumping rebounds. Hit face-up jumpers from up to 18-feet. Uses a right-hand jump hook or a turn-around jumper over his left shoulder when in the low-blocks. Block an occasional lazy shot.

Can't do: Out-muscle his peers. Pass. Handle. Play much straight-up defense.

Must do: Get stronger and tougher. Learn to make the kind of precise passes that the Spurs' offense requires.

Prognosis: A lightweight big man who's most comfortable on the high post. Another second-stringer as the Spurs still search for an ideal front-court mate for TD.

Jackie Butler — Spurs

Can do: Post-up with some success, and score with power moves with his right hand. Rebound adequately. Play hard. Take up space in the paint.

Can't do: Pass. Handle. Move quickly either vertically or horizontally. Defend.

Must do: Avoid making mistakes. Take fullest advantage of his post-up opportunities. Get in shape.

Prognosis: His interior game will be limited when he's paired with Duncan. Otherwise, he gives the Spurs their only other post-up presence. Another back-up big.

Flip Murray — Pistons

Can do: Create his own shots, especially pull-up jumpers going either way (although he prefers left). Play with only an average degree of athleticism. Score, score, and keep scoring.

Can't do: Shoot three-pointers with any degree of consistency. Handle (except to create his own scoring opportunities). Pass. Defend.

Must do: Come off the bench and fill the hoop during the Pistons' increasingly frequent scoring droughts.

Prognosis: A strictly one-dimensional player, who must shoot at (or near) 50 percent to justify his defenseless playing time.

Marcus Banks — Suns

Can do: Run with anybody. Penetrate, pass, hit jumpers (including standstill 3s). Push the ball. Finish on the run. Play super-pressure defense.

Can't do: Get along with his coaches and his teammates. Play with consistency. Play off-the-ball defense with the same intensity as he does on-the-ball.

Must do: Play under control, and forgo his constant seeking to penetrate even in half-court sets. Smile, sacrifice, say "Please" and "Thank you."

Prognosis: This guy is one of the most talented point-guards in the league. He could be an All-Star, or he could destroy the Suns' harmony. A big gamble for Phoenix, but worth the risk.

Darius Songaila — Wizards

Can do: Make open shots (except for three-pointers). Play hard all the time. Defend with energy. Rebound.

Can't do: Play with neither razzle nor dazzle. Make complicated passes. Handle under pressure. Make clutch shots.

Must do: Avoid unnecessary fouls. Make all the little hustle plays that nobody else (except Jeffries) does.

Prognosis: Coaches love coaching Songaila because he makes so few mistakes, and players love playing with him because he doesn't need the ball to play well. With Arenas and Jamison taking all the clutch shots, Songaila will be an extremely productive player.

Othella Harrington — Bobcats

Can do: Shoot jumpers from mid-range. Move without the ball. Rebound. Block shots. Pass out of the low-post — where he'll score with lefty jump hook and turn-around jumpers over his right shoulder, also with pump fakes, and up-and-under moves. Bang and play with energy.

Can't do: Do anything threatening with his right hand. Move quickly.

Must do: Appreciate being an NBA roster at a rapidly aging 32 and in his 12th season. Not make any waves whatsoever in his reduced PT.

Prognosis: A veteran big man willing to throw his body into the action in limited minutes is always a plus for any team.

Kirk Snyder — Rockets

Can do: Score points in bunches. Exhibit NBA-level athleticism.

Can't do: Tell the difference between a good and a bad shot. Play a lick of defense. Play unselfishly. Shoot with any degree of consistency.

Must do: Turn his career, i.e., his attitude, around.

Prognosis: Has the potential to be an excellent sixth man, but he needs a stronger coach than Jeff Van Gundy to facilitate his development. That said, it's doubtful that Snyder will finish the season in Houston.

J. R. Smith — Nuggets

Can do: Be a deadly shooter in spurts. Make stand-still treys. Run, jump, and dunk with outstanding athleticism.

Can't do: Shoot anything but his mouth off with any consistency. Play hard all the time. Pass. Handle under pressure.

Must do: Grow up in a hurry or else wind up on George Karl's spit list — and on the bench.

Prognosis: This precocious almost-21-year-old represents the worst of the NBA. An obnoxious hoopling who hasn't done anything to justify his paycheck, who has an inflated sense of his abilities, and who has minimal respect for anybody who tells him to do anything that he doesn't want to do.

RhymesayersDU
07-25-2006, 11:54 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5804624

Nuggets gain outside shooter in Smith
Associated Press

DENVER (AP) - J.R. Smith can almost envision superstardom.

Three years from now, Smith predicts he'll be a household name.

Let the clock start ticking.

"I'll be one of the premier guards in the league," Smith said Friday on his first day in Denver. "I'll definitely be one of the guys who has his own sneaker. I've always dreamt about stuff like that when I was a kid so why stop now?"

Smith, acquired from the Chicago Bulls in exchange for guard Howard Eisley and two second-round draft choices, arrives in Denver a humbled shooting guard.

Two years in the NBA has drained some of the confidence and swagger from the 20-year-old, who entered the league straight out of high school.

Now Smith is looking to get his game back on track. The 18th overall pick of New Orleans in 2004, he will be counted on by the Nuggets to provide a 3-point spark.

"We were 30th in the league - and you can't finish 31st in 3-point shooting," Denver director of player personnel Mark Warkentien said.

"We think we're getting a talented guy."

Smith has hit 31.6 percent from behind the 3-point line in his two-year career. However, he's 6-for-11 at the Pepsi Center. The Nuggets wouldn't mind if he hit 55 percent for them.

"I hope so," said Smith, acquired by the Bulls on July 14 from New Orleans.

He's not feeling the pressure to be the Nuggets' 3-point savior, though.

"Every team wants a 3-point shooter, every team needs a 3-point shooter," Smith said. "Why not me on this team?"

Yet Smith won't spend extra time in the gym over the summer, working on his long-range shot. He's going to continue to play his style - shooting from the outside when it's open and driving to the hoop when he can.

"This got me here," he said. "Why change it up now?"

The Nuggets are getting a young, athletic player. The San Antonio Spurs thought enough of Smith to try to pull off a deal last season right before the trade deadline. Smith was minutes away from being dealt for Brent Barry when the deal fell through.

He thought the Bulls might keep him around and was a little caught off guard when he was traded to Denver. But he's here and expects to earn a starting job.

Smith may be an unknown player to most fans, but he's attempting to fix that.

"Right now everybody is asking, 'Who's he?"' Smith said. "When they see me they'll grab hold."

Smith, the co-MVP of the 2004 McDonald's All-America game, had originally committed to play for North Carolina before bolting to the NBA.

"Guys who stayed in college four years are starting to know what I've known the last two years," Smith said. "I learned to make certain moves on the defense. I learned shot selection - when to shoot the ball and when not to shoot the ball."

Even more, he learned that basketball gives you second chances.

Smith had a feud with Hornets coach Byron Scott last season. He doesn't understand what started the rift or made it unsolvable.

"We didn't have any meetings," Smith said. "(I) tried to set up meetings; he wouldn't have it.

"I'm looking to go forward from there. It's a new beginning."

On Friday after his workout, Smith was invited to lunch with Denver coach George Karl. The two were going to talk about what transpired between Smith and Scott. Karl wanted to hear it from his player, not what the rumor mill had spun.

"In order to know what I've gone through, you have to know my side of the story," Smith said. "There's always two sides.

"From him telling me that he wants to hear my side, I already know that he's a player's coach and he's the coach I'm looking for."

Smith is a player that needs to be nurtured, not lectured.

"Certain players can take constructive criticism and it makes them play harder," Smith said. "I'm one of those types of players ..."

Smith stopped to analyze what he was saying and then continued in generalizations.

"If you beat on him so much, eventually they're going to fall," Smith said. "At some point you've got to take him under your wing."

Karl, who has a connection with Smith because he played at North Carolina, has a plan like that in mind.

"He's a young player who probably needs some control over him, and some motivation to learn the game quickly," Karl said.

Smith's ready for a fresh start in Denver.

"(The last two years) definitely humbled me and made me realize what I really have to do to get to work in this league," Smith said. "(This) is a very athletic team and likes to get up and down the court. They're looking for somebody to make the outside shot when they double down on Carmelo (Anthony).

"Hopefully I'm the guy they can use."

RhymesayersDU
07-25-2006, 11:57 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/wbc2006/news/story?id=2529354

Marion, Morrison, Ridnour left off national team
Associated Press

LAS VEGAS -- Shawn Marion, Adam Morrison and Luke Ridnour were left off the U.S. national team's roster Tuesday before its trip to Asia for the world championships next month.

Amare Stoudemire and Kirk Hinrich were the only moderately surprising inclusions on the 15-man roster, which will play five warmup games in Las Vegas, China and Korea before opening the world championships in Japan on Aug. 19.

Coach Mike Krzyzewski and his staff must trim the roster to 12 players before the world championships.

Marion, the Phoenix Suns' three-time NBA All-Star, apparently was left off the roster because of a minor knee injury. He was just one of five candidates remaining from the 2004 U.S. Olympic team, which won disappointing bronze medals.

Hinrich, the Chicago Bulls point guard, beat out Ridnour for the ostensible third-string spot behind Chris Paul and Gilbert Arenas. Hinrich was slowed by a hamstring injury during the team's weeklong training camp in Las Vegas, but apparently did enough to impress Krzyzewski.

Stoudemire earned a spot on the traveling team with a remarkable comeback from surgery on both knees during last season with the Suns, when he played in three NBA games. The 6-foot-10 forward looked strong and mobile during training camp despite struggling during summer-league play a few weeks ago.

The rest of the 15-man roster includes LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Shane Battier, Chris Bosh, Bruce Bowen, Elton Brand, Dwight Howard, Antawn Jamison, Joe Johnson, Brad Miller, Arenas and Paul.

In all, 25 players have committed to be members of the U.S. national team for the next three years, through the 2008 Olympics in Beijing.

GonzoLays
07-25-2006, 12:00 PM
Three years from now, Smith predicts he'll be a household name.
"I'll be one of the premier guards in the league," Smith said Friday on his first day in Denver. "I'll definitely be one of the guys who has his own sneaker. I've always dreamt about stuff like that when I was a kid so why stop now?"

Oh, you can tell this kid has his priorities straight. 1) Get the shoe deal 2) Do it by any means neccessary.

This kid just sceams of uncoachable. He is probably quite the baller, but he has zero concept of "team." He bitched out Byron Scott because he benched him; who cares that he was shooting 36% from the field at the time. How is JR Smith gonna get his shoe deal from the bench? No matter how terrible he is playing, or what his shooting percentage is, this kid really believes in his heart that he plays second fiddle to no one. He should be the center of the offense.

RhymesayersDU
07-25-2006, 12:06 PM
Oh, you can tell this kid has his priorities straight. 1) Get the shoe deal 2) Do it by any means neccessary.

This kid just sceams of uncoachable. He is probably quite the baller, but he has zero concept of "team." He bitched out Byron Scott because he benched him; who cares that he was shooting 36% from the field at the time. How is JR Smith gonna get his shoe deal from the bench? No matter how terrible he is playing, or what his shooting percentage is, this kid really believes in his heart that he plays second fiddle to no one. He should be the center of the offense.
I think you're right, to a point. The interview I posted has a lot of red flags. I personally didn't like the "why should I improve my game" part. But, I do cut him some slack because he came right out of high school and is immature, and I also think the Nuggets still got him for cheap, he's on a rookie contract, and he's better than the people we had... So we'll see how it works out.

Odysseus
07-25-2006, 12:12 PM
I have not kept up on Nuggets to be honest. What else is happening generally with the team? Is this a good move? I heard rumor that Carmelo was actually doing a good job in the All Stars.

Any more Nuggest updates?

KipCorrington25
07-25-2006, 12:22 PM
It's a great move, they gave up nothing for a guy with huge upside...

GonzoLays
07-25-2006, 12:22 PM
I think you're right, to a point. The interview I posted has a lot of red flags. I personally didn't like the "why should I improve my game" part. But, I do cut him some slack because he came right out of high school and is immature, and I also think the Nuggets still got him for cheap, he's on a rookie contract, and he's better than the people we had... So we'll see how it works out.

Yep

Yet Smith won't spend extra time in the gym over the summer, working on his long-range shot. He's going to continue to play his style - shooting from the outside when it's open and driving to the hoop when he can.

"This got me here," he said. "Why change it up now?"

Why change it? You are one of the rare cases of a 1st round draft pick getting traded TWICE for a bag of chips in less than a month. And he is only in his second season!

What is quite obvious from this kid is that he doesn't see himself as the problem.

But still it's a good gamble on the Nuggs part. They got him for nothing. Who knows how he is going to turn out.

usedupbraids
07-25-2006, 12:26 PM
A bad move for the nuggest J.R Smith is a good player dont get me wrong but the nuggest need a center or a better PF. But smith will fit great in golden state

epicSocialism4tw
07-25-2006, 12:28 PM
I think you're right, to a point. The interview I posted has a lot of red flags. I personally didn't like the "why should I improve my game" part. But, I do cut him some slack because he came right out of high school and is immature, and I also think the Nuggets still got him for cheap, he's on a rookie contract, and he's better than the people we had... So we'll see how it works out.


This kid is an outstanding athlete, and someone I had hoped that Dallas would make a move for before the trade deadline last season because he poses little financial risk and Avery Johnson was in house to regulate the situation if need be. I dont think that Dallas ever considered him though because he has the anti-championship attitude.

I know that Karl can be pretty obtuse with players like him, so it will be interesting to see if someone on the squad can corral him and make him focus on committing to NBA team basketball. I am almost convinced that he will end up playing And-1 mixtape basketball in the end though. The Nuggets surely dont need a goofball kid like that influencing Carmelo Anthony. Maybe Anthony can get him focused. On the other hand, the triumvirate of Smith, KMart, and Ruben Patterson could destroy any championship focus that that team might have. The Nuggets look like the new Trailblazers. Hopefully Karl can change the mentality for this season.

Nuggets4
07-25-2006, 12:36 PM
A bad move for the nuggest J.R Smith is a good player dont get me wrong but the nuggest need a center or a better PF. But smith will fit great in golden state

Um, huh? We have too many centers and power forwards. And GS has two very good SG's already, they don't need a project like Smith.

usedupbraids
07-25-2006, 12:41 PM
all there center are trash yea yall have a good power forward in martin but his not going to get any better ill tarde Smith in Martin down to timberwolfs for K.G

Nuggets4
07-25-2006, 01:01 PM
all there center are trash yea yall have a good power forward in martin but his not going to get any better ill tarde Smith in Martin down to timberwolfs for K.G

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9882/punctuationkv3.jpg

ludo21
07-25-2006, 01:03 PM
We all know this is the Suns year anyway, why bother trading for srubs?? ;D

usedupbraids
07-25-2006, 01:04 PM
Go Lakers And Broncos #1

KipCorrington25
07-25-2006, 02:48 PM
A bad move for the nuggest J.R Smith is a good player dont get me wrong but the nuggest need a center or a better PF. But smith will fit great in golden state

Bad move? I think you have to judge the move on what was received and what was given. 2 seconds and Howard Eisley for JR Smith is a great move.

RhymesayersDU
07-25-2006, 03:06 PM
A bad move for the nuggest J.R Smith is a good player dont get me wrong but the nuggest need a center or a better PF. But smith will fit great in golden state
hahhahahahahah @ better center or PF... Dude, what are you smoking? We haven't had a 2-guard in like 5 years.

RMT
07-25-2006, 04:05 PM
I like this move. The Nugs gain an athletic 2-guard. His shooting percentage will improve in Denver as much as the Nugs like to run. With Carmelo on the floor, JR won't have to be the "lights out" shooter most teams need from the 2 spot. He'll be fine.

usedupbraids
07-25-2006, 04:07 PM
nuggets stink anyway they will lose the 1st round of the playoffs they should just move the team to new mexcio


:welcome:

orange 4 life
07-25-2006, 04:18 PM
its a GOOD move, but a GREAT move wouldve been nicer.
hey, we cant have it all right?

to me, the better news is that carmelo is working hard in the offseason, and reportedly looks substantially stronger and more focussed.

everyone else aside, its melo that will make or break this team.

jake

ps- ANOTHER guy who can shoot (maybe a 2/3 guy instead of a straight 2) would be nice.
while this move is an upgrade, its not the answer (no reference to AI intended).
remember, while this kid did shoot okay from outside the arc, it was also not his forte. we'll have to see.

watermock
07-25-2006, 04:53 PM
Jake will be our quarterback for several more years."

Ted Sundquist on our present and future quarterback

If "several" meant two I might take that comment seriously Jake. I swear, I have never seen someone homer for a QB that basically was thrown to the curb for Kurt Warner and others. It's comical honestly. I suppose we drafted Cutler to prime him for free agency in 5 years? I'm quite surprised Sundquist made that statement. Maybe Cutler will get upset about that comment and hold out in 2007 if he isn't handed the #1. If the GM thinks we are set for "several years", why was Cutler drafted in the first place? So we could groom Jay for a job at another site?
Anyway, that sig line is quite amusing and I don't recall Sundquist making that comment but I'll take your word for it.

As far as a shooting guard goes, people have been crying for years. Something is better than nothing, and it might take some pressure off Melo. Honestly, I don't follow the Nuggets too closely, but it seems they are not pathetic anymore.

RhymesayersDU
07-25-2006, 05:01 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2529347

Majerus turned down job as Nuggets assistant
Associated Press

DENVER -- Former Utah coach Rick Majerus has turned down an offer to become an assistant to Denver Nuggets coach George Karl, the team said Tuesday.

"[Karl] offered me the job a month ago," Majerus told the Rocky Mountain News in Tuesday's editions. "But I can't move [to Denver] right now."

Majerus, 58, coached the Utes from 1989 until January 2004, when he stepped down for health reasons. He was 323-95 at Utah and led the team to 10 NCAA Tournament appearances.

He now lives in Milwaukee, works as an ESPN college analyst and cares for his mother, Alyce.

The Nuggets are seeking a replacement for assistant coach Scott Brooks, who left last month for Sacramento. Nuggets spokesman Tim Gelt said the team has no timetable to fill the position.

Majerus is a longtime friend of Karl's and plans to be in Denver from Sept. 15 to Oct. 15 to help him with training camp, which begins Oct. 3.

Clockwork Orange
07-25-2006, 05:15 PM
Sixers take Iverson off the trade block. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41664/20060725/iverson_off_the_table/)

I think everyone saw this coming. If you look past the spin that King is trying to put on it, the reason this is happening is because he obviously went into the market thinking he was either going to get a bounty of youngsters/draft picks or another All-Star back for Iverson and no one was offering either. As good as Iverson is, he's 31, has a history of injuries and a fat contract. No one is going to sell the farm for him and obviously that's what King was banking on someone doing.

RhymesayersDU
07-25-2006, 05:29 PM
Sixers take Iverson off the trade block. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41664/20060725/iverson_off_the_table/)

I think everyone saw this coming. If you look past the spin that King is trying to put on it, the reason this is happening is because he obviously went into the market thinking he was either going to get a bounty of youngsters/draft picks or another All-Star back for Iverson and no one was offering either. As good as Iverson is, he's 31, has a history of injuries and a fat contract. No one is going to sell the farm for him and obviously that's what King was banking on someone doing.
I didn't see it coming... I mean I sort of did... I expected the Sixers would find a way to deal him, but I guess it's not that surprising that they didn't, for the reasons you mentioned.

GonzoLays
07-25-2006, 05:41 PM
http://www.wuerenlos.ch/downloads/oxford_crying_man.jpg


Oh, well, I guess it back to the youth movement for us.

The Boston Celtics, 2011 NBA World Champions.

RhymesayersDU
07-26-2006, 10:38 AM
Interesting article comparing this new USA team to the 1992 Dream Team.
http://www.oldskoolsports.com/Home/tabid/93/EntryID/57/Default.aspx

According to American standards, the 2004 version of the U.S. men’s basketball team was a disappointment. The U.S. team has a long history of Olympic basketball dominance, winning the gold medal in 12 of 14 Olympic competitions from 1936-2000. The 2004 team had a long history of sucking. There was no logical reason for that team to not win the gold or at least the silver. The roster featured a group of proven All-stars including Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson, and a group of budding superstars in LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Amare Stoudemire, yet they jelled as well as the Larry Brown coached New York Knicks. Was it a coincidence that Brown happened to be the head coach of that national team? Just something to ponder. Instead of dominating the competition, the U.S. brought home the bronze, finishing behind soccer powerhouses Argentina and Italy. Now that the 15 finalists for the 2006 U.S. national team’s roster were announced Tuesday, it looks like Team Director Jerry Colangelo is putting together a balanced team capable of demoralizing the competition as previous U.S. teams have become accustomed to. Instead of filling the squad with me-first players, guys with gigantic egos and a lack of anyone who could hit an open jump shot, this year’s team is filled with shooters, role-players, and team oriented players. The 2006 roster will still be cut down to 12 before Aug. 19, leaving 3 players hanging in the balance, but for the first time since the mid 90s our national team looks like an unstoppable force. The best team ever assembled in history was the 1992 Dream Team, which featured future Hall of Famers at every position. This team is a lot younger, and less experienced than the 1992 team, but the future Hall of Fame potential is still there. Here is a break down of which 2006 star is most likely to fill the role of their 1992 counterpart.

2006 Roster Finalists

Carmelo Anthony F (Denver Nuggets)
Gilbert Arenas G (Washington Wizards)
Shane Battier F (Houston Rockets)
Chris Bosh F (Toronto Raptors)
Bruce Bowen F (San Antonio Spurs)
Elton Brand F (Los Angeles Clippers)
Kirk Hinrich G (Chicago Bulls)
Dwight Howard F/C (Orlando Magic)
LeBron James F (Cleveland Cavaliers)
Antawn Jamison F (Washington Wizards)
Joe Johnson G/F (Atlanta Hawks)
Brad Miller C (Sacramento Kings)
Chris Paul G (New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets)
Amarι Stoudemire F (Phoenix Suns)
Dwayne Wade G (Miami Heat)

1992 Olympic Team Roster

Charles Barkley F (Phoenix Suns)
2006 clone: Dwight Howard

Barkley is considered to be one of the best, not to mention the nastiest, rebounders in history. If there is one thing that Howard knows how to do, it is rebounding. Only 20 years-old, Howard has already mastered the art of rebounding and is one of the best in the league at pulling down boards. If he keeps his current 11.3 rebounds/game average up, he will be right on par with Sir Charles. Look for him to keep opposing international foes from getting anywhere near the key.

Larry Bird F (Boston Celtics)
2006 clone: Carmelo Anthony

If clutch shooting was an official statistic, Anthony would be leading the league. He is quickly developing into one of the NBA’s most clutch players. Bird made a career out of making big shots. If there is one thing that the U.S. needs it is someone they can count on to make shots in a close game. While Anthony may not have the long-distant range that Bird possessed, his all-around scoring ability is extremely Bird like.

Clyde Drexler G (Portland Trail Blazers)
2006 clone: Gilbert Arenas

“Clyde the Glide” could practically float around the basketball court. He did a little bit of everything, including his signature high-flying dunks. Arenas has become the NBA’s triple-double king, plays great “D” and can soar to new heights like his counterpart Drexler. Much like Clyde, the U.S. team will count on Arenas to defend on the perimeter and break out on the fast-break.

Patrick Ewing C (New York Knicks)
2006 clone: Amarι Stoudemire

In his prime, Ewing was an absolute monster. There is no better way to describe Stoudemire. He is a freak of nature, whose basketball abilities are limitless. Much like Ewing, Stoudemire is a complete force in the paint and can throw done nasty dunks with the best of them. If he is completely healthy, Stoudemire will be a force to be reckoned with on both ends of the court.

Earvin “Magic” Johnson G (Los Angeles Lakers)
2006 clone: LeBron James

Magic was the most versatile player of his time. He could score at shooting guard, pass like a point guard, and rebound like a center. Sounds a lot like someone else I know: LeBron. In his short career, James has proven to be the best all-around player in the league. He has the tools to do all the things Magic did on the court, not to mention the same boyish smile. James and Wade have the potential to form the Magic-Jordan tandem of the next 15 years.

Michael Jordan G (Chicago Bulls)
2006 clone: Dwayne Wade

The easy choice here would be LeBron, considering the Jordan comparisons, but based on recent play Wade is a more accurate Jordan comparison. Consider that Wade plays seemingly effortless, has won a championship, become the leader of his team, and can take over games in a blink of an eye. Sounds a little bit like Michael, doesn’t it? Wade might not have the Jordan star appeal over-seas yet, but after international fans see him in China in 2008, that could very well change.

Christian Laettner F (Duke)
2006 clone: Brad Miller

(Insert “Tall, white guy joke” here). Besides skin color, Laettner and Miller don’t have much in common. While Laettner’s role on the team was strictly as a cheerleader, Miller is a legitimate center who will bring offense and great passing. He might not play much defense, but Miller’s big frame will do enough to clog up the opposition’s lane.

Karl Malone F (Utah Jazz)
2006 clone: Elton Brand

Possibly the most consistent forward ever, Malone could score around the basket and hit 15 footers with his eyes closed, not to mention rebound like an animal. Brand’s game mimics Malone’s in every way, right down to the sweet outside jumper. He goes about his game with a workman-like complex, ala Malone. Brand might never get the recognition that Malone did, but his constancy will be a huge asset to the U.S. team.

Chris Mullin F (Golden State Warriors)
2006 clone: Bruce Bowen

Mullin was the complementary glue that held the ’92 team together. While not a star, Mullin did the little things that helped his team win. He could shoot the three, guard on the perimeter, and pester opposing team’s players. Bowen does all of this and then some. He is a great outside shooter and the best defense player on the team. He will be counted on, like Mullin, to do the little things and receive little fanfare in the process.

Scottie Pippen G/F (Chicago Bulls)
2006 clone: Joe Johnson

At 6-7, Pippen was one of the most multitalented players around. At 6-7 Johnson is on his way to becoming a multitalented star himself. These two have more than height in common. Both can pass the ball exceptionally well for their size, score when needed, and are menacing on defense. Johnson might not have the impact that Pippen had on the Dream Team, but he will be a valuable asset off the bench with his well-rounded game.

David Robinson C (San Antonio Spurs)
2006 clone: Chris Bosh

A lanky, left-handed center, with a great inside-out game. Is it Robinson or Bosh- take your pick. Bosh/Robinson might be the closet thing to an exact clone of any of the other comparisons. In his career, Robinson won a scoring crown, a rebounding title and was named to the NBA All-Defensive First team three times. Bosh can already score, rebound, and is a top-notched shot-blocker like Robinson. He is the odds on favorite to lead the Olympic Games in blocked shots.

John Stockton G (Utah Jazz)
2006 clone: Chris Paul

Paul has the potential to lead the league in assists for years to come. He is the most un-selfish player since, well, Stockton. These two tiny guards will break down defenses faster than you can say “Alley-Oop.” Paul is just be a rookie, but he is the one guy who can and should lead this team to the gold medal.

Nuggets4
07-26-2006, 10:48 AM
I'm just waiting for Gonzo to go off on the Melo-Bird comparison.

Clockwork Orange
07-26-2006, 10:51 AM
I'm just waiting for Gonzo to go off on the Melo-Bird comparison.

It is a pretty poor comparison, but then so are several of the ones they threw out there.

GonzoLays
07-26-2006, 10:54 AM
Larry Bird F (Boston Celtics)
2006 clone: Carmelo Anthony

If clutch shooting was an official statistic, Anthony would be leading the league. He is quickly developing into one of the NBA’s most clutch players. Bird made a career out of making big shots. If there is one thing that the U.S. needs it is someone they can count on to make shots in a close game. While Anthony may not have the long-distant range that Bird possessed, his all-around scoring ability is extremely Bird like.

Bwah

Bahahaa

Bwhahahahahahahaha

They are trying to compare Carmelo to Bird? Are you kidding me? Has Carmelo ever dropped a game winner the playoffs? Has ever put a team on his back and carried them to even the second round of playoffs?

Bird -- 3 times finals NBA Finals MVP; 3 times League MVP...Bird has a playoff career average of 24 pts, 10 rebounds and 7 assists per game!

Melo, while he shown to be clutch in the regular season, has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be compared to Bird in any shape, form or fashion.

If you want to compare a player from today's game with Bird, start with Lebron James.

GonzoLays
07-26-2006, 10:55 AM
I'm just waiting for Gonzo to go off on the Melo-Bird comparison.

Damn, that was good. HAHAHAHAH

bfoflcommish
07-26-2006, 10:56 AM
Bwah

Bahahaa

Bwhahahahahahahaha

They are trying to compare Carmelo to Bird? Are you kidding me? Has Carmelo ever dropped a game winner the playoffs? Has ever put a team on his back and carried them to even the second round of playoffs?

Bird -- 3 times finals NBA Finals MVP; 3 times League MVP...Bird has a playoff career average of 24 pts, 10 rebounds and 7 assists per game!

Melo, while he shown to be clutch in the regular season, has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be compared to Bird in any shape, form or fashion.

If you want to compare a player from today's game with Bird, start with RYAN GOMES.

Fixed it for you

bfoflcommish
07-26-2006, 10:57 AM
Bwah

Bahahaa

Bwhahahahahahahaha

They are trying to compare Carmelo to Bird? Are you kidding me? Has Carmelo ever dropped a game winner the playoffs? Has ever put a team on his back and carried them to even the second round of playoffs?

Bird -- 3 times finals NBA Finals MVP; 3 times League MVP...Bird has a playoff career average of 24 pts, 10 rebounds and 7 assists per game!

Melo, while he shown to be clutch in the regular season, has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be compared to Bird in any shape, form or fashion.

If you want to compare a player from today's game with Bird, start with Lebron James.

In all seriousness I am a Melo fan and not much on Bron, but you are right!

RhymesayersDU
07-26-2006, 10:57 AM
Fixed it for you
No, I think Ryan Gomes would be better compared to Magic, MJ, and Bird put together.


Edit: And I'm not saying Carmelo is Bird. Bird is a legend. But I do think that this USA team won't lose a single game.

bfoflcommish
07-26-2006, 11:00 AM
No, I think Ryan Gomes would be better compared to Magic, MJ, and Bird put together.


Edit: And I'm not saying Carmelo is Bird. Bird is a legend. But I do think that this USA team won't lose a single game.

They SHOULDN'T lose a game but the way the past few years have gone I wouldn't bet on them winning all games

RhymesayersDU
07-26-2006, 11:06 AM
They SHOULDN'T lose a game but the way the past few years have gone I wouldn't bet on them winning all games
Well the competition has gotten better, but with the new attitude of players playing together, putting together an actual team instead of just all-stars, having the guys make a 3-year comittment, etc, that they should kick everybody's butt.

Clockwork Orange
07-26-2006, 11:09 AM
As I said, many of those comparisons are ridiculous.

Carmelo Anthony does not compare to Larry Bird.
Dwight Howard does not compare to Charles Barkley.
Bruce Bowen does not compare to Chris Mullin.
Chris Bosh does not compare to David Robinson.
Chris Paul does not compare to John Stockton.

The rest of them you can at least see a few similarities, but some of them are simply off the wall. But you have to remember that this is the era of ESPN breaking everything down into lists and trying to convince people that today's players are better than yesterdays players and everything happening today is the best that it's ever been in the sport.

Give me the '92 Dream Team over any team, in any era.

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2006, 11:15 AM
As I said, many of those comparisons are ridiculous.

Carmelo Anthony does not compare to Larry Bird.
Dwight Howard does not compare to Charles Barkley.
Bruce Bowen does not compare to Chris Mullin.
Chris Bosh does not compare to David Robinson.
Chris Paul does not compare to John Stockton.

The rest of them you can at least see a few similarities, but some of them are simply off the wall. But you have to remember that this is the era of ESPN breaking everything down into lists and trying to convince people that today's players are better than yesterdays players and everything happening today is the best that it's ever been in the sport.

Give me the '92 Dream Team over any team, in any era.

Well said. There is no point in comparison outside of trying to milk everything they can out of their golden age in the spotlight. The Jordan years might have set pro basketball back 20 years. Now everyone has to be the next _______ to be worth anything. All the while unique players slip through leaving their own relatively silent legacies. Tim Duncan being example no. 1.

RhymesayersDU
07-26-2006, 11:15 AM
As I said, many of those comparisons are ridiculous.

Carmelo Anthony does not compare to Larry Bird.
Dwight Howard does not compare to Charles Barkley.
Bruce Bowen does not compare to Chris Mullin.
Chris Bosh does not compare to David Robinson.
Chris Paul does not compare to John Stockton.

The rest of them you can at least see a few similarities, but some of them are simply off the wall. But you have to remember that this is the era of ESPN breaking everything down into lists and trying to convince people that today's players are better than yesterdays players and everything happening today is the best that it's ever been in the sport.

Give me the '92 Dream Team over any team, in any era.
I see your point, but at the same time, sometimes you have to counter-act the people who are always bashing the new because it isn't the old.

I mean, there's a fine line, but I run into a lot of "Man, everything was better in my day" people, when there are really talented people playing today. And that goes for all sports.

freak6
07-26-2006, 11:19 AM
Tim Duncan being example no. 1.

He's Bill Russell

J.R. Smith = Rodney White?

GonzoLays
07-26-2006, 11:23 AM
No, I think Ryan Gomes would be better compared to Magic, MJ, and Bird put together.


Edit: And I'm not saying Carmelo is Bird. Bird is a legend. But I do think that this USA team won't lose a single game.

Carmelo and Bird are two completely different players. It is just unfair to compare them.

Bird could do everything. He was your classic point-small forward. You can compare his vision of the court to Jason Kidd; his outside shooting to Peja Stojackovic; his rebounding to Shawn Marion; and his basketball intelligence to whomever is the smartest player in today's game. He is the defintion of a complete. I once saw him take his man into the post and shoot a 12 foot LEFT HANDED sky hook even though he was right handed!! Who can do that in today's game?

About two months they did a piece in the Boston Globe in which the write stated that Paul Pierce was the greatest scorer in Celtic's history. The story got back to Bird and his reply was, "I could have averaged 35 points a game if I wanted to. If I only played six months a year, instead of nine months because we made it deep in the playoffs every year, I could have averaged 40 points a game. But that was not the point. Statistics suck because people think you can judge a player by how many points he can score. What about all the small things like taking charges, or making the right pass to swing open a teammate for for an uncontested jumper? You can place a player's worth on how much he scores."

He was your ultimate team player. How many superstars do you see taking charges and diving for loose balls on the fourth game of a five game road trip in the middle of the season? How many superstars give up their stats for the betterment of the team? If you love basketball, then regardless if you are a Lakers fan or a Bulls fan, you are a Larry Bird fan.

And never, ever forget about the clutchness:

Game 5 of the 1987 playoff series against the Detroit Pistons, the series tied at 2-2. Detroit had a one-point lead late in the game and needed to inbound the ball to secure the victory and take a 3-2 Series lead with Game 6 on their court. (Game 5 was played in the Boston Garden; the conference playoffs followed a 2-2-1-1-1 format.) Isiah Thomas was inbounding the ball to Bill Laimbeer, who was in the backcourt. But...
"Now there's a steal by Bird! Underneath to DJ! He lays it up and in!! ... What a play by Bird! Bird stole the inbounding pass, layed it up to DJ, and DJ layed it up and in, and Boston has a one-point lead with one second left! OH, MY, THIS PLACE IS GOING CRAZY!!!"

Dominique Wilkins: "If you put Larry Bird, Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson into a room and only one could walk out, my money would be on Bird. You look into his eyes and you see a killer."

epicSocialism4tw
07-26-2006, 11:24 AM
He's Bill Russell
J.R. Smith = Rodney White?

I would put Duncan in the all-time top 5.

1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Bird
4. Duncan
5. Magic

That's also my all-time team.

PG Magic Johnson
SG Michael Jordan
SF Larry Bird
PF Tim Duncan
C Bill Russell

RhymesayersDU
07-26-2006, 11:36 AM
Carmelo and Bird are two completely different players. It is just unfair to compare them.

Bird could do everything. He was your classic point-small forward. You can compare his vision of the court to Jason Kidd; his outside shooting to Peja Stojackovic; his rebounding to Shawn Marion; and his basketball intelligence to whomever is the smartest player in today's game. He is the defintion of a complete. I once saw him take his man into the post and shoot a 12 foot LEFT HANDED sky hook even though he was right handed!! Who can do that in today's game?

About two months they did a piece in the Boston Globe in which the write stated that Paul Pierce was the greatest scorer in Celtic's history. The story got back to Bird and his reply was, "I could have averaged 35 points a game if I wanted to. If I only played six months a year, instead of nine months because we made it deep in the playoffs every year, I could have averaged 40 points a game. But that was not the point. Statistics suck because people think you can judge a player by how many points he can score. What about all the small things like taking charges, or making the right pass to swing open a teammate for for an uncontested jumper? You can place a player's worth on how much he scores."

He was your ultimate team player. How many superstars do you see taking charges and diving for loose balls on the fourth game of a five game road trip in the middle of the season? How many superstars give up their stats for the betterment of the team? If you love basketball, then regardless if you are a Lakers fan or a Bulls fan, you are a Larry Bird fan.

And never, ever forget about the clutchness:



Dominique Wilkins: "If you put Larry Bird, Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson into a room and only one could walk out, my money would be on Bird. You look into his eyes and you see a killer."

Believe me dude, you don't have to convince me. Carmelo has a long way to go before he is compared to any of those guys.

All I'm saying is, I think as a collective group, this group will be very good and could very well dominate like the 1992 team did.

RhymesayersDU
07-26-2006, 12:16 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2530158

Celts sign undrafted West Virginia star Pittsnogle
Associated Press

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Free agent Kevin Pittsnogle has signed a two-year contract with the Boston Celtics, his agent said Wednesday.

Pittsnogle, a 6-foot-11 center who is West Virginia's career 3-point leader, was passed over in June's NBA draft along with Mountaineers teammate Mike Gansey. Both played for the Miami Heat in a summer league, and Gansey signed a two-year deal with the Heat.

Pittsnogle led the Mountaineers with 19.3 points per game last season and was named to the All-Big East first team. He led West Virginia to the regional semifinals of the NCAA Tournament the past two seasons.

"Clearly, Kevin's strength is extending defenses with his range. He's big enough and he's got a quick trigger," agent Dan Tobin said. "He's a unique player, somewhat of a specialist at this point. We're trying to expand other areas of his game and I think that's what's going to help him make the transition."

Pittsnogle made 253 career 3-pointers and his 41.1 percent 3-point accuracy rate ranks second in school history. He is sixth in career scoring with 1,708 points.

GonzoLays
07-26-2006, 12:18 PM
He could quite possibly be the greatest undrafted FA in the history of the NBA.

GSRelyea
07-26-2006, 12:18 PM
KING JAMES > Larry Legend

GonzoLays
07-26-2006, 12:48 PM
KING JAMES > Larry Legend

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh, wait.
















Bwhahahahahahahahahahaqhahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahaha

RhymesayersDU
07-27-2006, 07:31 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nba&id=2530487

Updated: July 26, 2006, 3:36 PM ET
Nuggets sign F Diawara
Associated Press
National Basketball Association News Wire

DENVER -- The Nuggets signed 6-foot-7 forward Yakhouba Diawara to a contract Wednesday.

Terms were not disclosed.

Diawara, 23, averaged 11.8 points and three rebounds per game over five summer league contests. In 2005-06, the Paris native played in 20 games for JDA Dijon Bourgogne of the French League and 25 games for Climamio Bologna of the Italian League. Diawara also played two seasons at Pepperdine University after two seasons at Southern Idaho Junior College.

Clockwork Orange
07-30-2006, 12:05 PM
Blazers acquire Magloire for Blake, Skinner and Seung-Jin (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41708/20060729/bucks_and_blazers_reach_agreement/)

Nuggets4
07-30-2006, 04:59 PM
Blazers acquire Magloire for Blake, Skinner and Seung-Jin (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41708/20060729/bucks_and_blazers_reach_agreement/)

Portland needs to cut that out or people are going to start thinking they're a real NBA franchise.

Clockwork Orange
08-02-2006, 04:36 PM
Al Harrington to fire his agent. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41746/20060801/al_harrington_fires_agent/)

Wasn't he supposed to be signed & traded to Indiana weeks ago?

Looks like Kenyon Martin will be starting the season in Denver. (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4887440,00.html)

Translation: We couldn't even find a halfway decent trade offer, so we're stuck with him......for now.

Carmelo shines in Team USA's first scrimmage vs Puerto Rico (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/2003168915_nba02.html)

Anthony was the best player on the court. He scored 23 points, shot 10 for 13 from the field and contributed strong defense to start the second quarter.

!Booya!

Master___Pain
08-02-2006, 04:57 PM
Al Harrington to fire his agent. (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41746/20060801/al_harrington_fires_agent/)

Wasn't he supposed to be signed & traded to Indiana weeks ago?

Looks like Kenyon Martin will be starting the season in Denver. (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4887440,00.html)

Translation: We couldn't even find a halfway decent trade offer, so we're stuck with him......for now.

Carmelo shines in Team USA's first scrimmage vs Puerto Rico (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/2003168915_nba02.html)

Anthony was the best player on the court. He scored 23 points, shot 10 for 13 from the field and contributed strong defense to start the second quarter.

!Booya!


Go Melo! Go USA!

llayne
08-02-2006, 05:43 PM
There is talk about the Nuggets getting in on Baby All....don't have the link with me but it was in the foootnes of the RMN and on the RealGm.com site under the Nuggets section.

RhymesayersDU
08-02-2006, 09:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2537369

Updated: Aug. 2, 2006, 3:12 PM ET
NBA announces postseason seeding format change
Associated Press

The NBA is changing the way teams are seeded in the postseason, looking to avoid the controversy that surrounded last season's playoffs.

Starting in the upcoming season, the top four seeds -- the three division winners and the second-place team with the best record -- will be seeded according to their win-loss total, guaranteeing that the top two teams in each conference can't meet until the conference finals, the league announced Wednesday.

The NBA had given the top three seeds to division winners regardless of record, meaning a second-place team could not do better than the No. 4 seed, even if it had a better record than a division champion.

That rule came under fire last season when division rivals San Antonio and Dallas were forced to meet in the second round of the Western Conference playoffs, even though the second-place Mavericks had a far better record than division champions Phoenix or Denver.

Dallas knocked off the first-place Spurs in a thrilling matchup of 60-game winners, capturing Game 7 on the road in overtime.

The league's board of governors also voted to expand the postseason rosters to 15, instead of 13, with 12 players active for each game. That duplicates the rule used in the regular season.

The NBA champion Miami Heat were among those that criticized the policy that forced teams to carry fewer players in the playoffs than during the season.

Also, if a team has two 60-second timeouts left in the final two minutes of regulation or in overtime, one will be reduced to a 20-second timeout. Teams will now have two 60-second timeouts and one lasting 20 seconds in overtime, instead of three one-minute timeouts. Clubs will no longer be permitted to carry over a 20-second timeout from regulation into overtime.

"Our owners are intent on making the playoff seeding more fair for all teams going forward and in quickening the pace of the end of games," NBA executive vice president Stu Jackson said in a statement. "The board also thought it made sense to allow teams to utilize the same 15-man roster in the playoffs that they use during the regular season."

2005-06 playoff seedings
East West
1. Detroit San Antonio
2. Miami Phoenix
3. New Jersey Denver
4. Cleveland Dallas
5. Washington Memphis
6. Indiana L.A. Clippers
7. Chicago L.A. Lakers
8. Milwaukee Sacramento


2005-06 playoff seedings
under new format
East West
1. Detroit San Antonio
2. Miami Dallas
3. Cleveland Phoenix
4. New Jersey Denver
5. Washington Memphis
6. Indiana L.A. Clippers
7. Chicago L.A. Lakers
8. Milwaukee Sacramento

RhymesayersDU
08-02-2006, 09:28 PM
So, the new playoff format is good, I suppose. I mean, last season having Denver as the 4th seed would have still been B.S., but some change is better than no change at all.

Clockwork Orange
08-02-2006, 09:30 PM
So, the new playoff format is good, I suppose. I mean, last season having Denver as the 4th seed would have still been B.S., but some change is better than no change at all.

Actually, it would have been better because the Nuggets would have got the Grizzlies instead of the Clippers. I'd have taken that matchup any day of the week over the one they ended up with.

RhymesayersDU
08-02-2006, 09:33 PM
Actually, it would have been better because the Nuggets would have got the Grizzlies instead of the Clippers. I'd have taken that matchup any day of the week over the one they ended up with.
Oh well you're absolutely right. I would have jumped for joy as a Nuggs fan at a match up with the Grizz, who we own on a regular basis.

But as an NBA fan, we did not deserve that high seeding.

Nuggets4
08-04-2006, 08:21 AM
We draw the Grizz, we are in the second round. They were the worst team in the Western playoffs last year. Granted we were a close second, but I'll take any victory we can get right now.

RhymesayersDU
08-04-2006, 08:51 AM
Anybody watch USA vs. PR last night? Good game. 2nd quarter we kinda lapsed, but ended up winning by like 40. Melo with a strong game.

Man-Goblin
08-04-2006, 08:54 AM
Anybody watch USA vs. PR last night? Good game. 2nd quarter we kinda lapsed, but ended up winning by like 40. Melo with a strong game.

Just like old times, baby! USA should be winning by 40. It's like, what we do.

Nuggets4
08-04-2006, 09:36 AM
Anybody watch USA vs. PR last night? Good game. 2nd quarter we kinda lapsed, but ended up winning by like 40. Melo with a strong game.

I DVR'ed it and am planning on watching it tonight. Sounds like Melo kicked ass.

GonzoLays
08-04-2006, 09:55 AM
Was it just me, or did Carlos Arroyo look like the best player on the court last night? I was dumbfounded by his ability. It was basically Carlos Arroyo and a bunch scrubs versus an NBA All-Star team and he more than held his own.

I was pleasantly surprised by him. If he played in a run and gun system like the Phoenix Suns, he would easily be considered one of the best PG's in the league. When he played for the Pistons, he looked like trash because their offensive system is trash. Walk the ball up court, stop, pass it to the wing, and then go stand in the corner. Not his game to say the least.

Man-Goblin
08-04-2006, 10:09 AM
Was it just me, or did Carlos Arroyo look like the best player on the court last night? I was dumbfounded by his ability. It was basically Carlos Arroyo and a bunch scrubs versus an NBA All-Star team and he more than held his own.

I was pleasantly surprised by him. If he played in a run and gun system like the Phoenix Suns, he would easily be considered one of the best PG's in the league. When he played for the Pistons, he looked like trash because their offensive system is trash. Walk the ball up court, stop, pass it to the wing, and then go stand in the corner. Not his game to say the least.

He tore it up in the last Olympics, too.

RhymesayersDU
08-04-2006, 10:41 AM
Was it just me, or did Carlos Arroyo look like the best player on the court last night? I was dumbfounded by his ability. It was basically Carlos Arroyo and a bunch scrubs versus an NBA All-Star team and he more than held his own.

I was pleasantly surprised by him. If he played in a run and gun system like the Phoenix Suns, he would easily be considered one of the best PG's in the league. When he played for the Pistons, he looked like trash because their offensive system is trash. Walk the ball up court, stop, pass it to the wing, and then go stand in the corner. Not his game to say the least.
Dude, even though we won by 30-some points last night, it absolutely amazes me that guys like Arroyo and Daniel Santiago can really play well in international play but can't play in the NBA. Santiago played some NBA ball but now only plays in Spain or something, and Arroyo only averaged 5.5 points last year. Yet somehow, they come to play in international play. It's odd.

Anyways, I don't think it's realistic to expect 40 point blowouts every game, but we shouldn't lose. Didn't like the 2nd quarter last night, but we got the job done. Go USA.

Scottish_Bronco
08-04-2006, 11:53 AM
Anyone know when Nuggets tickets go on sale?

Checked the schedule and its pre-season when I fly over to Denver. Hoping to catch a game

Man-Goblin
08-04-2006, 11:59 AM
Dude, even though we won by 30-some points last night, it absolutely amazes me that guys like Arroyo and Daniel Santiago can really play well in international play but can't play in the NBA. Santiago played some NBA ball but now only plays in Spain or something, and Arroyo only averaged 5.5 points last year. Yet somehow, they come to play in international play. It's odd.

Anyways, I don't think it's realistic to expect 40 point blowouts every game, but we shouldn't lose. Didn't like the 2nd quarter last night, but we got the job done. Go USA.

Just noticed in your sig that Wade is wearing no. 9. Pretty cool stuff. I still have a replica of the Dream Team Jordan jersey; and I'm not a big jersey guy.

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pic/jordan_gal_l_01.jpg

RhymesayersDU
08-04-2006, 12:03 PM
Just noticed in your sig that Wade is wearing no. 9. Pretty cool stuff. I still have a replica of the Dream Team Jordan jersey; and I'm not a big jersey guy.

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pic/jordan_gal_l_01.jpg
Wow, I didn't know Jordan wore #9 back in the day. Pretty darn appropriate for Wade to be wearing it, considering the NBA Finals.

I, as everybody knows, am a huge jersey guy. They need to re-issue the '92 Dream Team jerseys... I'd get a Barkley for sure, and I'd max out my credit card going for Bird, Magic, and Jordan.

Nuggets4
08-04-2006, 12:32 PM
Anyone know when Nuggets tickets go on sale?

Checked the schedule and its pre-season when I fly over to Denver. Hoping to catch a game

Pre-season games RARELY sell out. I was at a few last year and the Can was maybe 50% full. If I hear of any pre-sales, I'll let you know.

NYBronc
08-04-2006, 01:06 PM
<A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14186278">Miami Beach cops stun-gun Pistons' Davis</A>

<B>6-11 center in altercation with police after being asked to leave hotel
</B>

MIAMI BEACH, Fla. - Detroit Pistons center Dale Davis was shocked with a stun gun and charged with assault and disorderly conduct in an altercation with Miami Beach police.

Davis was arrested Tuesday at a Miami Beach hotel and accused of threatening police, security guards and shouting profanities, police said.

Chubby Wells, Davis’ agent, said he plans to file a lawsuit against police for their treatment of the 15-year NBA veteran.

“It was so ridiculous, it’s unbelievable,” Wells said. “We’re going to take a stand.”

Police were called to the hotel by the security workers and Davis was repeatedly asked to leave, but refused, according to the report.

After giving officers his identification, Davis and the officers went outside, where the 6-foot-11 player accused the officers of targeting him because he is black. Police said they asked Davis to remove his hands from his pockets for officer safety, and Davis complied after asking officers if they were going to shoot him.

Police said that Davis pulled out money, three cellular phones and credit cards. He put the items back in his pockets and said he’d beat up the officers if they took off their badges and got rid of their guns, police said.

Davis then balled his fists and began walking toward officers in an aggressive manner, and he was warned that he would be hit with a Taser gun if he continued, police said.

He didn’t stop, and an officer used the stun gun to hit Davis in the chest and he fell to the ground, according to the police report.

Davis was taken into custody and charged with assault, assault on a police officer, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest without violence.

Davis played for Indiana, Portland and Golden State before joining the Pistons as a reserve last season. A Detroit spokesmen didn’t return phone messages seeking comment Friday.

BroncoMatt
08-04-2006, 01:47 PM
what network is broadcasting the usa basketball games?

RhymesayersDU
08-04-2006, 03:03 PM
what network is broadcasting the usa basketball games?
ESPN2

I believe the next game is USA vs. China, Monday night @ 9:30 EST.

Scottish_Bronco
08-04-2006, 03:28 PM
Pre-season games RARELY sell out. I was at a few last year and the Can was maybe 50% full. If I hear of any pre-sales, I'll let you know.

Thanks man

RhymesayersDU
08-04-2006, 03:46 PM
Speaking of making the roadie, I'm pissed that I'm not going to be seeing anymore basketball live this fall... I mean I might get tickets to see the UNM Lobos, but still, it ain't the NBA. I need to look at the schedule and try and make a roadie up here.

Master___Pain
08-04-2006, 04:04 PM
Speaking of making the roadie, I'm pissed that I'm not going to be seeing anymore basketball live this fall... I mean I might get tickets to see the UNM Lobos, but still, it ain't the NBA. I need to look at the schedule and try and make a roadie up here.

Wait, what? Are you in NM permanently now? Me so confused...???

RhymesayersDU
08-04-2006, 04:08 PM
Wait, what? Are you in NM permanently now? Me so confused...???
I graduate from DU on the 18th and will be home on the 19th. Now, assuming I get into UNM's grad school, I'll be there for like 2 years, then after that who knows.

I'm in Denver now taking my last class, getting drunk, and hitting training camp... But it's coming to a close.

Nuggets4
08-05-2006, 08:06 AM
Speaking of making the roadie, I'm pissed that I'm not going to be seeing anymore basketball live this fall... I mean I might get tickets to see the UNM Lobos, but still, it ain't the NBA. I need to look at the schedule and try and make a roadie up here.

CU basketball is playing at UNM this year. I might be making a road trip down there depending on the circumstances. We're gonna kick your ass! 8')

RhymesayersDU
08-05-2006, 09:00 AM
CU basketball is playing at UNM this year. I might be making a road trip down there depending on the circumstances. We're gonna kick your ass! 8')
You should go, just for the sake of seeing The Pit. One of the best college arenas there is, too bad we don't have a basketball team to go with it.

Nuggets4
08-05-2006, 11:38 AM
You should go, just for the sake of seeing The Pit. One of the best college arenas there is, too bad we don't have a basketball team to go with it.

I cheer for CU. Trust me, I'm used to bad basketball.

It depends on a lot of things really. If I remember correctly, the game is on a Tuesday. We'll see.

RhymesayersDU
08-07-2006, 09:36 AM
Basketball tonight folks. Goooo USA.

RhymesayersDU
08-07-2006, 09:45 AM
Gah, you know what irritates me? When I've missed a game, and I see the final score before I see the game. It's happened with Nuggs games before. I miss the live showing so I wait for the Altitude replay, and I run into the score before I can get there.

FYI, the USA/China results are on the ESPN front page, so avoid that if you don't want to know the score. Here's ESPN2's list of coverage for USA basketball, which I was looking for originally:

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/wbc2006/news/story?page=TeamUSATVschedule

Rascal
08-08-2006, 08:37 AM
Sounds like Melo is leading the US olympic team pretty good, and when he went down with an injury they really missed him. Maybe he will get some more credibility. Apparently his injury was minor so relax. Maybe I should create a thread about it :)