Space Shuttle fabric loose

[watermock]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060709/ap_on_sc/space_shuttle;_ylt=Amrz.6zXCXYtKSGBpnweOaKs0NUE;_y lu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

What's so pathetic is that the astronauts said they they saw something that "looked like carpet" and mission control told them it was just ice. I'm not positive, but I think the people risking their lives in that white elephant might be able to tell the difference between cloth and ice.

That whole NASA program is in shambles and needs to be completely torn down. There isn't anything significant being learned on that space station either. It must be very comforting when you report fabric lost and ground control says it's ice. 30 years later and billions apon billions on something noone can adequately answer serves any purpose, two catastrophic disasters and they tell the astronauts to "not worry about it it's just ice". This is after 3 years of fine tuning and it still isn't right.

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - NASA could decide Sunday whether a piece of fabric filler sticking out from thermal tiles on the space shuttle Discovery's belly needs to be plucked out by astronauts during a spacewalk this week.

The repair probably will not be needed, and the rest of the spaceship looks in good shape, officials said.

"We're motivated to know that our vehicle's clean" for the return to Earth in another week, shuttle commander Steven Lindsey said at a midday news conference. "To get a clean victory or a win is really exciting."

Flight director Tony Ceccacci said the astronauts will be notified as soon as the mission managers give the all-clear for Discovery's return, a decision expected in late afternoon. The only outstanding issue, involving the shuttle's thermal armor, was the gap filler.

The cracked filler, which is 2 inches long and sticking about an inch out of the thermal tiles, remains one of the few concerns that needs resolving before mission managers give the green light for Discovery to return to Earth in over a week.

The early consensus is that it probably won't pose problems during the shuttle's re-entry into Earth's atmosphere, but engineers pulled an all-nighter to recommend what, if anything, needs to be done, NASA officials said.

Agency managers already have cleared a slew of areas on the shuttle that raised their interest after viewing images taken during Discovery's flight to the international space station and before the shuttle docked with the orbiting complex.

Markings on the shuttle's nose cap were determined to be harmless bird droppings. Marks on certain panels of the thermal blanket covering Discovery's belly didn't have crushed coating or other signs of damage. Two other gap fillers didn't appear to pose problems.

If necessary, astronauts Piers Sellers and Mike Fossum could try to pluck the gap filler during their third scheduled spacewalk, which is set for Wednesday.

During their first spacewalk, they demonstrated on Saturday that they could make repairs to the shuttle from the end of a 100-foot combination of a robotic arm and a boom. The duo will make their second spacewalk Monday to replace a cable on the space station's rail car.

"You guys proved the arm and boom are stiff enough to use for (spacewalks)," flight controllers wrote Discovery's crew in an electronic morning message, adding that engineers on the ground who work on the shuttle's protective skin "are sleeping easier tonight" because of their spacewalk.

Discovery's six astronauts planned Sunday to finish unloading almost 7,000 pounds of cargo and supplies they brought to the space station. They also planned to talk to reporters 220 miles below on Earth during a news conference with the space station's three crew members.

The shuttle crew awoke to a recording of ABBA's "I Have a Dream," a song chosen by pilot Mark Kelly's two daughters.

"It sometimes is like being in a dream up here," Kelly radioed to Houston. "The floating is a big part of that."

Engineers also were analyzing whether two thermal blankets on Discovery that appear slightly damaged pose any risk of flying off the shuttle during re-entry.

"Both of these items are very close to be cleared as safe ..." flight controllers wrote Discovery's crew in an electronic message Sunday morning.

The gap filler that concerns managers is just above an area on the shuttle's belly that is connected to the external tank during launch. Gap filler is material fitted between thermal tiles to prevent them from rubbing against each other.

Discovery had a similar piece of fabric sticking out in the same place during last year's flight of the shuttle, the first since the Columbia disaster in 2003. Two pieces of gap filler had to be removed from Discovery's belly during a spacewalk last year because of concerns they would cause problems during re-entry.

NASA: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/


It's almost comical how incompetent NASA is now.

[-Slap-]

Its comical how you do nothing but criticize people of actual accomplishment. Space shuttle technology has been used in countless other practical applications in our society (http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/shuttle.htm).

[SureShot]

Are you infering Mock doesn't have his own accomplishments? Just last week he acquired a new cell phone plan for his boss/brother.

[NaptownChief]

Are you infering Mock doesn't have his own accomplishments? Just last week he acquired a new cell phone plan for his boss/brother.



:rofl:

[Florida_Bronco]

Are you infering Mock doesn't have his own accomplishments? Just last week he acquired a new cell phone plan for his boss/brother.

Mock has also trained his brain to accept his drunken state. His sober moments actually cause his brain to go haywire and give the impression of drunkeness.

Basically, he's all fvcked up.

[watermock]

That's why two out of 5 orbiters have disintigrated. I call it failure. Nice call Slappy. The point is that the crew said they saw what looked like carpet and mission control said it was probably ice. Well guess what...now they might have to cut some fabric.

That is a 40% faiure rate of all shuttles even accounting for building a 5th one. We had 5 and two were lost. We have 3 out of 5 and your telling me what a success the program has been, twice totally stranded while engineers scratched their heads. The whole mission is devoted to looking for damage, and there is damage. The astronauts said they saw cloth going away and they told them it was ice. Okay?

[CBF1]

Mock,

You are officially the class a$$ of this site. Funny how you have earned your rocket scientist degree online. I have worked for NASA and let me tell you first hand (not living in your online cyber world) that they employ some of the most brilliant minds on the planet. NASA has landed man on the moon, Mock has not left his computer in years.... I can make the connection.

Less typing and more thought process please.

[watermock]

Mock has also trained his brain to accept his drunken state. His sober moments actually cause his brain to go haywire and give the impression of drunkeness.

Basically, he's all fvcked up.

You want to look up the problems there genius?

I'm making this up right? Columbia will have no problem in re-entry...right? You don't know ****.

[watermock]

Mock,

You are officially the class a$$ of this site. Funny how you have earned your rocket scientist degree online. I have worked for NASA and let me tell you first hand (not living in your online cyber world) that they employ some of the most brilliant minds on the planet. NASA has landed man on the moon, Mock has not left his computer in years.... I can make the connection.

Less typing and more thought process please.

I didn't say I was a rocket scientist at all. What I said is that the crew reported carpet flying off the shuttle and mission control called it ice. Yeah, those astronauts are in a cyber world. OK...why did they burn up twice in that cyber world then? I will tell you what is wrong. There is fabric that is designed to contract as the heat tiles expand on re entry. Do you even know what they are for?

They are expansion joints. Remember the solid booster malfuncion? That was an expansion joint failure. Columbia was an insulation breakoff malfunction. They seem unable to cure that as well. No, I'm not a rocket scientist, but I probably know more about it than most people here.

I should call up Tom G

[watermock]

Mock,

You are officially the class a$$ of this site. Funny how you have earned your rocket scientist degree online. I have worked for NASA and let me tell you first hand (not living in your online cyber world) that they employ some of the most brilliant minds on the planet. NASA has landed man on the moon, Mock has not left his computer in years.... I can make the connection.

Less typing and more thought process please.

That's all fine and dandy. Convince Baja that we even landed on the moon! Second, I don't care if you worked for NASA, the fact is we have lost 40 percent of shuttles. Want to the math?

It's perfectly obvious that the shuttle is flawed. If your going to spend the entire time making contingencies about how to get out, that says to me it's an unsafe vehicle. It doen't take rocket science to see a 40% failure rate.

[watermock]

I didn't hear rocket scientist out of your mouth either. What did you do for NASA? Mop duty?

Concerned that two strips of filler dangling from Discovery's underside could cause overheating during re-entry, NASA managers said Sunday they might ask the ship's crew to remove or trim the material.

The task could be carried out during a third spacewalk by astronauts Steve Robinson and Soichi Noguchi planned for Wednesday or become the focus of an unscheduled fourth walk.

Mission managers planned to finish their assessment of the risk posed by the protrusions near Discovery's nose today.

The dangling pieces of fabric were spotted in photographs taken by the crew of the international space station on Thursday as Discovery approached to dock.

One piece of fiber sticks out from the shuttle's belly by about 1.1 inch. The other protrudes by about nine-tenths of an inch.

Spacewalkers would be asked to take action if engineers determine that the excess fiber would disturb the high-temperature airflow enough to dangerously heat up Discovery's belly during its Aug. 8 re-entry and landing, said NASA's Wayne Hale, the mission management team chairman.

The pieces of hanging fabric are part of 6-inch, fire-retardant strips, or "gap fillers," that are glued between each of the black silica tiles to protect the shuttle's underside from frictional heating as the spacecraft glides back into Earth's atmosphere.

The protrusions are unrelated to the foam seen flying off Discovery's fuel tank as the spacecraft rose to orbit last week.

"We have a team of folks looking aggressively at options to go and make that gap filler safe if we decide it's an issue," said NASA's Paul Hill, the lead flight director. "In some cases we could see heating rates increase by a factor of four."

As the shuttle hurtles back into the atmosphere, its nose pitches up, exposing the ship's underside to the most intense heat. Temperatures vary but can reach 2,300 degrees Fahrenheit.

The dangling gap fillers create an irregularity in an otherwise smooth surface that could disrupt the flow of high-temperature air near the skin of the spacecraft, causing additional turbulence and much hotter temperatures close to the surface.

"I would not want to see 3,000 degrees," said NASA's Steve Poulos, the shuttle orbiter project manager.


Problem seen before
Dangling gap fillers have been noted at the end of 10 other shuttle missions. But those on Discovery are the first detected before re-entry.

One shuttle on a 1995 mission landed with a 1.4-inch protrusion that caused temperatures to rise to nearly 2,800 degrees, Poulos said. But that gap filler was located farther from the nose than those seen on Discovery.

According to Hale, the shuttle's underside, wing edges and fuselage appear in good shape for a safe landing, leaving the protruding gap fillers as the only open issue.

Discovery's supply and repair mission to the international space station marks the first time a U.S. shuttle has traveled to space since the 2003 Columbia tragedy, which was traced to wing damage caused by a blow from a piece of breakaway fuel-tank foam.


Shuttles grounded
The 2- to 3-foot piece of foam that peeled away from Discovery's fuel tank as the ship lifted off last week did not strike the spacecraft.

But NASA suspended future missions until it can find the cause and make corrections.

Using cameras and other devices, NASA has put Discovery through an extensive post-launch examination.

"On this flight we have literally put the orbiter heat shielding under a microscope," Hale said. "The Columbia accident made us realize that we have been playing Russian roulette with the shuttle crews."

[Kaylore]

It's perfectly obvious that the shuttle is flawed. If your going to spend the entire time making contingencies about how to get out, that says to me it's an unsafe vehicle.
You know, flying into outerspace is kind of dangerous. Are you suggesting if it was really safe they wouldn't plan contingencies? Yeah, that makes sense. :tinfoilha

And tiles fall off the heat shield all the time. This is not a big deal.

[No1BroncoFan]

It doen't take rocket science to see a 40% failure rate.
This is just fvcking STUPID! How many flights did each of those shuttles make Mock? Your math on the percentage of the shuttles lost in no way equates to a 40% failure rate. Fact is, there have been only two un-qualified failures in thousands of flights. That drops the failure rate to well below 1%.

Ben

[-Slap-]

You know, flying into outerspace is kind of dangerous. Are you suggesting if it was really safe they wouldn't plan contingencies? Yeah, that makes sense. :tinfoilha

And tiles fall off the heat shield all the time. This is not a big deal.
Traveling through the vast expanses of space is simple. Just ask Mock.

[No1BroncoFan]

Traveling through the vast expanses of space is simple. Just ask Mock.
I thought we were talking about outer space, not the space between his ears. ;D

Ben

[-Slap-]

This is just fvcking STUPID! How many flights did each of those shuttles make Mock? Your math on the percentage of the shuttles lost in no way equates to a 40% failure rate. Fact is, there have been only two un-qualified failures in thousands of flights. That drops the failure rate to well below 1%.

Ben
So, Mock isn't smarter than an astronaut?

That's it, time to send Buzz to Iowa.

http://thrdgll.tripod.com/buzzaldrin.gif

[watermock]

You know, flying into outerspace is kind of dangerous. Are you suggesting if it was really safe they wouldn't plan contingencies? Yeah, that makes sense. :tinfoilha

And tiles fall off the heat shield all the time. This is not a big deal.

First, it's not "outerspace", it's lower orbit. No they didn't plan contingencies dill after the second diaster actually. That's why they docked it to examine it. Your obviously willing to spend millions to rehab what amounts a 55 chevy.

Do you even have a clue about the cost parameters of the shuttle or the fact two orbiters have been lost?

It's allready 60x over budget with two ships down out of 5.

[No1BroncoFan]

First, it's not "outerspace", it's lower orbit. No they didn't plan contingencies dill after the second diaster actually. That's why they docked it to examine it. Your obviously willing to spend millions to rehab what amounts a 55 chevy.

Do you even have a clue about the cost parameters of the shuttle or the fact two orbiters have been lost?

It's allready 60x over budget with two ships down out of 5.
Actually, it's "Low Earth Orbit." And, it is "outer space" as well. Sorry Mock, but anything outside the atmosphere is outer space.

Ben

[watermock]

I didn't say total flights once. Want me to bring up NASA's projections of launch sequence and costs from the 70's?

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1195342.php

I'm pro space, I just think we are in a very poor direction.

[Florida_Bronco]

Wow Mock...anyone else you care to insult today? So far the list contains my dead father, astronauts and multiple members of the Mane.

[-Slap-]

I didn't say total flights once. Want me to bring up NASA's projections of launch sequence and costs from the 70's?

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1195342.php

I'm pro space, I just think we are in a very poor direction.
I think Buzz should give you one of these across your lips.

http://www.harrywalker.com/photos/Aldrin_Buzz.jpg

[watermock]

Actually, it's "Low Earth Orbit." And, it is "outer space" as well. Sorry Mock, but anything outside the atmosphere is outer space.

Ben

No it isn't. If you were in "outer space" you wouldn't be in an orbit.

Next.

[Clockwork Orange]

Wow Mock...anyone else you care to insult today? So far the list contains my dead father, astronauts and multiple members of the Mane.

Don't even get him started on the Japanese.

[No1BroncoFan]

I didn't say total flights once. Want me to bring up NASA's projections of launch sequence and costs from the 70's?

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1195342.php

I'm pro space, I just think we are in a very poor direction.
No, you said "failure rate." That's where you got all fvcked up, as usual. The shuttle program's failure rate in incredibly small considering the fact that we've launched machines with thousands of moving parts, thousands of times and only had serious failures twice.

Let me guess. You think NASA should be privatized, don't you?

Ben

[watermock]

Slappy brings his intellectual hammer to bear. You don't know enough to stand on 16.

[No1BroncoFan]

No it isn't. If you were in "outer space" you wouldn't be in an orbit.

Next.
So, Andromeda and the Milky Way aren't in orbit around each other? Thanks for clearing up that NASA fubar Mock. I'm so glad there's someone like you that can point out the mistakes of Master's Degree physicists.

Next.

Ben

[watermock]

Yeah, you want to deal with "failure rate" That's fine you dimwit. We have lost 40 percent of the shuttle fleet.

Happy now?

Evidently you measure success like a battleship.

[watermock]

So, Andromeda and the Milky Way aren't in orbit around each other? Thanks for clearing up that NASA fubar Mock. I'm so glad there's someone like you that can point out the mistakes of Master's Degree physicists.

Next.

Ben

That is wrong and stupid. I don't think Andromeda and the Miky way rotate around each other. Bringing up the closest galaxy is amusing. My point is the shuttle maintains a speed to conteract the gravity at an orbit. It's in orbit. When you get to andromeda, let me know.

[Kaylore]

Yeah, you want to deal with "failure rate" That's fine you dimwit. We have lost 40 percent of the shuttle fleet.

Happy now?

Evidently you measure success like a battleship.
We've lost two shuttles during thirty some-odd years of work. That's less than a shuttle a decade. It would be hard to improve on that number. Again, this is something that is very dangerous to do to begin with so I'm not sure what you expect.

[watermock]

if you think orbit is outer spece I don't know what to say.

[watermock]

We've lost two shuttles during thirty some-odd years of work. That's less than a shuttle a decade. It would be hard to improve on that number. Again, this is something that is very dangerous to do to begin with so I'm not sure what you expect.

Want an apoligist. Listen to me moron. Why not check out the stats since the Challenger sidaster. Have fun with it.

Why don't we look at successfull launches subce Challenger.

Your going to find an alariming rate.

[Kaylore]

First, it's not "outerspace", it's lower orbit. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=outer%20space

outer space
n.

Any region of space beyond limits determined with reference to the boundaries of a celestial body or system, especially:

1. The region of space immediately beyond Earth's atmosphere.
2. Interplanetary or interstellar space.
http://lexandsean.ytmnd.com/

[watermock]

I don't have a problem with your ignorance honestly. The space station and shuttle not in "outer space" They are in low earth orbit.

Fine. The stone cold fact is an orbiting object isn't in outer space if it's being held in such orbit by the gravitational pull of the earth. It's in ORBIT.

[No1BroncoFan]

if you think orbit is outer spece I don't know what to say.
Ok. I'll point out just how fvcking clueless you are. Outer space is a term coined to describe anything outside the earth's atmosphere. Look at it this way. If you go and wet your toes on the California coast, you are standing in the Pacific Ocean. You don't have to be lost in the middle of it to be in it. Yes, low earth orbit it outer space.

Technically, you're correct about Andromeda and the Milky Way. They don't orbit each other per se. They do both both orbit a common point though. The Lesser and Greater Megalanic Clouds (you know, those galaxies that are much, much closer to ours than Andromeda), both orbit the Milky Way.

You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper here Mock. Why don't you stop while you're ahe... er... before you get any farther behind.

Ben

[Bronco9798]

He's so far behind, he couldn't catch up.

[No1BroncoFan]

He's so far behind, he couldn't catch up.
Hilarious!

Ben

[watermock]

Outer space is a term coined to describe anything outside the earth's atmosphere.

That's pretty common. It isn't outer space moron. As I explanined, the Shuttle is in low orbit.

[Florida_Bronco]

Mock, do you have any friends?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That's pretty common. It isn't outer space moron. What is it then, middle space?

BTW, Discovery is given all-clear (just reported (http://tinyurl.com/n942j)) to come home.

[No1BroncoFan]

That's pretty common. It isn't outer space moron. As I explanined, the Shuttle is in low orbit.
Good God, but you're dumb. Admit it Mock. You're way over your head here. You don't know jack sh*t about space. Just admit it.

Ben

[No1BroncoFan]

Mock, do you have any friends?
Do the people at the shelter that pity him count?

Ben

[Florida_Bronco]

Do the people at the shelter that pity him count?

Ben

Yes, all 3 of them count.

[Kaylore]

That's pretty common. It isn't outer space moron. As I explanined, the Shuttle is in low orbit. Link it, you dumb ass drunk! I linked proof that it is outer space. All you have is "no it's not." For once try and back up your stupid ass drunk comments.

Man I'm so tired of you. You've been an annoying ass munch of late and it's pissing me and everyone off.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Man I'm so tired of you. You've been an annoying ass munch of late and it's pissing me and everyone off.
Why would you ever let him piss you off?

[Bronco9798]

He just went to the cabinet to grab another bottle. You guys are killing him a slow death. Keep it up...

[Florida_Bronco]

Link it, you dumb ass drunk! I linked proof that it is outer space. All you have is "no it's not." For once try and back up your stupid ass drunk comments.

Man I'm so tired of you. You've been an annoying ass munch of late and it's pissing me and everyone off.

I hate to play the victim here (that, and it didn't really bother me that much) but I can't see how he should be allowed her after his comment about my dad this morning. There are alot of members here who may be sensitive about that type of thing, and I'd hate to see someone be hurt by his comments.

[watermock]

If these spacecraft are so close, why is living on them so different? Being in orbit changes everything! The Earth still pulls down on a spacecraft in orbit. So, the spacecraft is always falling towards the ground. But, it doesn't hit the Earth! The Shuttle moves so fast that it doesn't fall down. Instead, it falls around the Earth in a nearly circular orbit. Everything inside is also falling around the planet. Since they are all falling together, it seems like they are floating!

[-Slap-]

Why would you ever let him piss you off?
Personally, I love threads like this. Its been Mock against the world this weekend and I've done nothing but laugh and laugh.

:rofl:

[Kaylore]

Why would you ever let him piss you off?
It can be funny in small doses, but it's getting where he's nothing more than a polution to this board. He posts random crap, starts random threads, makes totally ridiculous (<------note correct spelling) claims and insults anyone who challenges them. He's officially a troll.

[Bronco9798]

Well Mock, August 28th is the next launch. You think we should try to stop it? You know there could be some loose fabric.

[Florida_Bronco]

Mock, you better straighten up your act.

[Kaylore]

Mock, you better straighten up your act. Or go start a thread about something stupid you found on You Tube and bump it eight times. You know. Whatever.

[No1BroncoFan]

If these spacecraft are so close, why is living on them so different? Being in orbit changes everything! The Earth still pulls down on a spacecraft in orbit. So, the spacecraft is always falling towards the ground. But, it doesn't hit the Earth! The Shuttle moves so fast that it doesn't fall down. Instead, it falls around the Earth in a nearly circular orbit. Everything inside is also falling around the planet. Since they are all falling together, it seems like they are floating! That's why it's called "free fall." Free fall can even be accomplished within the atmosphere. That doesn't mean that you can't be in outer space and experience free fall at the same time.

So I guess Alpha Centauri isn't in your version of "outer space" either since the gravity of our sun (which also isn't in outer space I guess) affects it as well. Hell, the effect of the earth's gravity can be measured out beyond the asteroid belt.

So, Mock. Just what the fvck is "outer space?"

Ben

[Kaylore]

That's why it's called "free fall." So I guess Alpha Centauri isn't in your version of "outer space" either since the gravity of our sun (which also isn't in outer space I guess) affects it as well. Hell, the effect of the earth's gravity can be measured out beyond the asteroid belt.

So, Mock. Just what the fvck is "outer space?"

Ben
The crust around Beelzebub's sphincter.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That's why it's called "free fall." So I guess Alpha Centauri isn't in your version of "outer space" either since the gravity of our sun (which also isn't in outer space I guess) affects it as well. Hell, the effect of the earth's gravity can be measured out beyond the asteroid belt.

So, Mock. Just what the fvck is "outer space?"

Ben
Ask him to tell you what the Karman Line is. He'll come up with some sh*t off the wall.

[-Slap-]

Hmm, looks like old Mock ran off and hid.

:)

[No1BroncoFan]

Personally, I love threads like this. Its been Mock against the world this weekend and I've done nothing but laugh and laugh.

:rofl:
I'm suprised I haven't been given the ultimate Mockism, STFU. Hilarious!

Ben

[Bronco9798]

Hmm, looks like old Mock ran off and hid.

:)


He went to you tube to find a video that he can relate to.

[No1BroncoFan]

He went to you tube to find a video that he can relate to.
Or, he went after yet another bottle.

Ben

[-Slap-]

He went to you tube to find a video that he can relate to.
Coming soon to a thread near you.

[Kaylore]

Coming soon to a thread near you.
Yeah it'll be titled "This is funny", then it really won't be. Then the thread will grow to ten pages because everyone will tell him what a turd he is.

[-Slap-]

Yeah it'll be titled "This is funny", then it really won't be. Then the thread will grow to ten pages because everyone will tell him what a turd he is.
Which is free comedy for me.

:sunshine:

[scorpio]

mock is so far ahead of you dimwits its comical.

I was on the debate team in high school. You can keep you rediculous theories about what outer space is, Lisa was valedictorian and prom queen this year again.

I just paid 100,000 dollars for a new tractor with a dvd player in it, what is a dimwit like you going to tell mock about space.

[No1BroncoFan]

Which is free comedy for me.

:sunshine:
Amen!

Ben

[-Slap-]

In fact, Mock, get back in here and amuse me some more.

Make it snappy.

[Clockwork Orange]

Or, he went after yet another bottle.

The way he's getting owned in this thread (and many others), he's bound to need another round of liquid courage to continue in his role as the board's punching bag. ;D

[CBF1]

I didn't say I was a rocket scientist at all. What I said is that the crew reported carpet flying off the shuttle and mission control called it ice. Yeah, those astronauts are in a cyber world. OK...why did they burn up twice in that cyber world then? I will tell you what is wrong. There is fabric that is designed to contract as the heat tiles expand on re entry. Do you even know what they are for?

They are expansion joints. Remember the solid booster malfuncion? That was an expansion joint failure. Columbia was an insulation breakoff malfunction. They seem unable to cure that as well. No, I'm not a rocket scientist, but I probably know more about it than most people here.

I should call up Tom G

Hey brainiac,

The first shuttle disaster was NOT caused by NASA, it was a sub contractor Morton-Thyockle (spelling), they manufactured the O-rings used on the booster engines. One went bad causing a leak, which in turn ignighted and caused big boom.

The foam problem on the main booster engine is again SUB CONTRACTED out by NASA... NASA engineers designed the entire project, then they get bids by different apporved government sub contractors to build alot of the different components of said shuttle. NASA is not to blame for the failures. Again type less, think more.

[listopencil]

mock is so far ahead of you dimwits its comical.

I was on the debate team in high school. You can keep you rediculous theories about what outer space is, Lisa was valedictorian and prom queen this year again.

I just paid 100,000 dollars for a new tractor with a dvd player in it, what is a dimwit like you going to tell mock about space.



Jesus, 'mock. How many accounts do you have?

[bombay]

I was on the debate team in high school. You can keep you rediculous theories about what outer space is, Lisa was valedictorian and prom queen this year again.



Please learn to spell ridiculous.

[Florida_Bronco]

Or go start a thread about something stupid you found on You Tube and bump it eight times. You know. Whatever.

I'm surprised he hasn't started a thread about us...I mean he starts one for every other little event in his life.

[broncosteven]

Hey brainiac,

The first shuttle disaster was NOT caused by NASA, it was a sub contractor Morton-Thyockle (spelling), they manufactured the O-rings used on the booster engines. One went bad causing a leak, which in turn ignighted and caused big boom.

The foam problem on the main booster engine is again SUB CONTRACTED out by NASA... NASA engineers designed the entire project, then they get bids by different apporved government sub contractors to build alot of the different components of said shuttle. NASA is not to blame for the failures. Again type less, think more.

Morton-Thikol called Nasa before Challanger & told Nasa it was too cold to launch & that the O - rings were not designed to work in temperatures that cold. If anyone remembers the picures of the morning of the launch there were huge Iceicles on the craft & engines. This is FL & it was a January Launch but they never anticipated temps that low. Morton-thikol made the right calls but Nasa mangement was under presure to launch due to delays & publicity with the teacher in space program, some experiments they needed to be done on days kids were in school or something, so NASA launched in spite of the warning of Morton-Thikol's warning & Nasa actually talked MT out of continuing to object & stand in the way of the launch.

In my view Nasa has done a lot with little funding but they should have found a way to fund a replacement product 15 years ago & not wait for a tragedy to make it a priority. My hero Gene Kranz still feels there the Shuttle is a great system that works. This is the only thing I disagree with him on. It is too flawed, old, takes too long to turn around, uses ineffecient fuel & wastes too much to be a true "shuttle".

The Dyna-soar was a much more viable shuttle for low earth orbit with less waste. The X-15 projects were amazing & Scaled Composits has proved it can be done with Space ship one.

[broncosteven]

I didn't say I was a rocket scientist at all. What I said is that the crew reported carpet flying off the shuttle and mission control called it ice. Yeah, those astronauts are in a cyber world. OK...why did they burn up twice in that cyber world then? I will tell you what is wrong. There is fabric that is designed to contract as the heat tiles expand on re entry. Do you even know what they are for?

They are expansion joints. Remember the solid booster malfuncion? That was an expansion joint failure. Columbia was an insulation breakoff malfunction. They seem unable to cure that as well. No, I'm not a rocket scientist, but I probably know more about it than most people here.

I should call up Tom G

Sorry dude you are TOTALLY WRONG HERE.

The Challenger failure was on an expansion joint SEAL O-ring inside the booster. From what I saw of this mission they had some foam fall off the tank near the same area pre launch but it would have in NO WAY HAVE HAD THE SAME EFFECT ON THIS LAUNCH. THe most it would have done would have been to heat the fuel & the fuel would have burned off & they would have had to top off the tanks closer to launch.

in orbit they found a piece of fabric sticking between 2 tiles & they are going to remove it so heat cannot build up during reentry & burn a hole through a tile. It sounds like it is not in a place like the leading edge of a wing or the nose cone where the plasma reaches the hotest points & can cause the most damage. This stuff happens/happened I bet on all shuttle launches but no one cared because a craft was never lost. I suspect it will be an issue until we get a craft with a better profile for reentry made out of a solid composite material that does not need to be replaced after every mission. See the x-15 program & Space ship one for a better reentry model.

[scorpio]

Please learn to spell ridiculous.

In the future, I'll try to make my humor less complicated for you.

[Dr.5280]

Suppose i am very drunk and i am driving my 68 Beetle at the speed of light. What happens when i flash the high beams?

[Florida_Bronco]

Suppose i am very drunk and i am driving my 68 Beetle at the speed of light. What happens when i flash the high beams?

The all knowing Mock will be along shortly to answer this.

[watermock]

Suppose i am very drunk and i am driving my 68 Beetle at the speed of light. What happens when i flash the high beams?

You would be vaporized and the beetle would hook up with a micro-bus

[-Slap-]

:angel:

[fontaine]

I don't have a problem with your ignorance honestly. The space station and shuttle not in "outer space" They are in low earth orbit.

Fine. The stone cold fact is an orbiting object isn't in outer space if it's being held in such orbit by the gravitational pull of the earth. It's in ORBIT.

The moon orbits around the earth. Does that mean the moon isn't in outer space?

The earth orbits around the sun. Does that mean the earth isn't in outer space relative to the sun?

Forget the space shuttle, your posts have a 98% failure rate but unfortunately you're still here even though your mind probably blew up on "rentry" a long time ago.

[Florida_Bronco]

your posts have a 98% failure rate but unfortunately you're still here even though your mind probably blew up on "rentry" a long time ago.

!Booya! LOL Ha! ^5

[broncosteven]

The moon orbits around the earth. Does that mean the moon isn't in outer space?

The earth orbits around the sun. Does that mean the earth isn't in outer space relative to the sun?

Forget the space shuttle, your posts have a 98% failure rate but unfortunately you're still here even though your mind probably blew up on "rentry" a long time ago.


The dingle berries orbiting Bezzers anus are really ASSteroids!

[bronco militia]

Bwhaha

[watermock]

I'm not talking about the moon, altho it's still in inner space. The orbiter is barely above the atmosphere. If you want to define low earth orbit as outer space I can't stop you. It's completely incorrect and you won't find anyone that says that the shuttle is an outer space vehicle. Try to pull it out of your ass.

[watermock]

Actually, my cat's Uranus is probably cleaner than mine. He's tending to it as I type..Ha!

[Florida_Bronco]

Mock, seriously, just stop.

[Kaylore]

I'm not talking about the moon, altho it's still in inner space. The orbiter is barely above the atmosphere. If you want to define low earth orbit as outer space I can't stop you. It's completely incorrect and you won't find anyone that says that the shuttle is an outer space vehicle. Try to pull it out of your ass.
Yeah because it's called the low orbit shuttle. Oh wait, it's not. It's called the Space Shuttle.

in inner space
More "Mock Science". Appropriate name. There is no such thing unless you're refering to the comedy featuring Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan where he traveled into a body...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Innerspaceposter.jpg

[No1BroncoFan]

I'm not talking about the moon, altho it's still in inner space. The orbiter is barely above the atmosphere. If you want to define low earth orbit as outer space I can't stop you. It's completely incorrect and you won't find anyone that says that the shuttle is an outer space vehicle. Try to pull it out of your ass.
You know, I used to think it was because you were drunk all the time. Now I've figured you're just plain stupid. You remind me of the moron in "Armagedon" who makes the statement "This is just the edge of space, there's still all of outer space to go." Or something to that effect. Outer space starts at the Karman Line. Look it up instead of heading for another bottle. Then you can come back here and admit how wrong you are (I know you won't, but you can).

Ben

[Clockwork Orange]

You know, I used to think it was because you were drunk all the time. Now I've figured you're just plain stupid. You remind me of the moron in "Armagedon" who makes the statement "This is just the edge of space, there's still all of outer space to go." Or something to that effect. Outer space starts at the Karman Line. Look it up instead of heading for another bottle. Then you can come back here and admit how wrong you are (I know you won't, but you can).

http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/images/otis.jpg

Your rediculous. STFU.

[24champ]

More "Mock Science". Appropriate name. There is no such thing unless you're refering to the comedy featuring Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan where he traveled into a body...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Innerspaceposter.jpg
was that movie any good?

[No1BroncoFan]

http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/images/otis.jpg

Your rediculous. STFU.
LOL
Ben

[-Slap-]

You know, I used to think it was because you were drunk all the time. Now I've figured you're just plain stupid.
Everyone has that same moment of epiphany.

[Kaylore]

was that movie any good?
It was alright. A very young Meg Ryan with no plastic surgery and I like Dennis Quaid. Worth a spot on a Netflix Queue IMO.

[watermock]

That's all fine...Columbia is ready to land.

You don't have a clue.

[No1BroncoFan]

That's all fine...Columbia is ready to land.

You don't have a clue.
You calling someone else clueless? Hilarious!

Go ahead on with that "inner space" mock.

Ben

[Florida_Bronco]

Mock did you delete your Marcus Vick thread?

[No1BroncoFan]

Mock did you delete your Marcus Vick thread?
Sure looks like it. Too bad. That was some high comedy!

Ben

[Florida_Bronco]

Sure looks like it. Too bad. That was some high comedy!

Ben

He must be turning over a new leaf, it used to be he'd keep arguing and digging a bigger hole for himself, now he sticks his tail between his legs and runs...to the liquor cabinet. :griese:

[No1BroncoFan]

What's the matter, mock? Did you get tired of getting kicked around in here?

Ben

[Florida_Bronco]

What's the matter, mock? Did you get tired of getting kicked around in here?

Ben

He doesn't take it nearly as well as he dishes it out.

[watermock]

If you want to believe the orbiter is in outer space, that's your right.

[fontaine]

The dingle berries orbiting Bezzers anus are really ASSteroids!

Don't insult the kitty!

It already has enough tragedy in its life nursing a drunk pissant on a daily basis.

[broncosteven]

If you want to believe the orbiter is in outer space, that's your right.


Consider Outerspace a Laymans term for Space Dude. I know what you are trying to say there is a term for trans lunar coast & Trans-earth coast for travelling to the moon, they did a TLI (trans lunar injection) burn with the Saturn IVB stage to get out of earth orbit & on to moon & an TEI burn with the Service module engine to return to Earth out of Lunar orbit. There is a point that marks the Trans-lunar Perigree where the Moons gravity would begin to pull the craft & speed it up about 2 days into the mission.

Either way they are just terms & all are encompassed by Outerspace in my book. It deepends on where you are standing in the universe. If you are standing on some planet a few light years away we are in outer space PERIOD.

[No1BroncoFan]

If you want to believe the orbiter is in outer space, that's your right.
If you want to believe it's not, that's your mistake to make.

Karman Line. Look it up. Education is a wonderful thing.

Ben

[broncocalijohn]

In the future, I'll try to make my humor less complicated for you.
i got it scorpio

[Kaylore]

If you want to believe it's not, that's your mistake to make.

Karman Line. Look it up. Education is a wonderful thing.

Ben
Mock simply doesn't care. As far as he's concerned scienctists and scholars don't know anything until they talk to Mock. You can show him how to spell ridiculous, you can link the very definition of outer space directly - doesn't matter. He's stupid and a drunk and doesn't care.

In fact I don't think he even watches Bronco games.

[broncosteven]

Mock simply doesn't care. As far as he's concerned scienctists and scholars don't know anything until they talk to Mock. You can show him how to spell ridiculous, you can link the very definition of outer space directly - doesn't matter. He's stupid and a drunk and doesn't care.

In fact I don't think he even watches Bronco games.


Did you ever see the old Tom Hanks movie "Bachlor Party"? Mock reminds of the old friend that shows up riped & when Hanks asks where he has been his reply is "beyond the sun" with a drunk twight zone look on his face.

[Sean]

In fact I don't think he even watches Bronco games.

That's a stone cold fact.

[Florida_Bronco]

We should rename this the "Official Mock Bashing Thread"

[No1BroncoFan]

C'mon, mock. Karman Line. You figured it out yet? Or, are you too fvcking stupid to use Google? It's ok. You can copy the words right from this post and paste them into Google. It's really not that hard.

Ben

[No1BroncoFan]

We should rename this the "Official Mock Bashing Thread"
;D

Ben

[watermock]

The space station isn't in :outer space or it simply would't "orbit".

This is becoming absurd. The space station is in "orbital" velocity which basicallty means it's speed com,pensates for the gravitational pull.

It's just balancing the inetia that want to thow the station into true outer space, blalanced by the earths gravitational field.

Orbiting things like communication sattleites are not sent into "outer space"...they are put in ORBIT. i HAVE EXPLAINED THIS BEFORE, doesn't matter honestly. Your not in outer space till your out of the earths gravitational pull.

[watermock]

Low Earth Orbit


When a satellite circles close to Earth we say it's in Low Earth Orbit (LEO). Satellites in LEO are just 200 - 500 miles (320 - 800 kilometers) high. Because they orbit so close to Earth, they must travel very fast so gravity won't pull them back into the atmosphere. Satellites in LEO speed along at 17,000 miles per hour (27,359 kilometers per hour)! They can circle Earth in about 90 minutes.

[Florida_Bronco]

You bumped a thread just to show everyone what an idiot you are? ???

[No1BroncoFan]

You bumped a thread just to show everyone what an idiot you are? ???
Hilarious! That's Mock.

Hey Mock, have you googled Karman Line yet? You'll really feel stupid when you do.

Ben

[Florida_Bronco]

Hilarious! That's Mock.

Hey Mock, have you googled Karman Line yet? You'll really feel stupid when you do.

Ben

^5