ESPN Sucking Off Cowboys

[Tombstone RJ]

Now The Sports Reporters are all wanting the pokes to win the SB because of Parcells & TO & the conclusion that the pokes are still "America's Team." Apparently Parcells has constructed a team that can win it all.

[rbackfactory80]

Its funny how you could play football professionally and still know less then someone who has never taken a snap on a field.

[Atlas]

I picked Denver to beat Dallas in the Superbowl.

[shaun514]

It's not a stretch to think the Cowboys could go deep into the playoffs. Last year, with a suspect line, they managed a record of 9-7 and lost three games because of field goal misses of 40, 34, and 29 yards. This year, Flozell Adams returns, they've added Jason Fabini, TO, Mike Vanderjagt, Akin Ayodele (who replaces Dat Nyugen who went down last season), and they no longer have three rookie starters on defense.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The Cowboys hype will be thick this season. I'm already deaf from it here.

Yes, they are overrated. Their Oline is poor, and you cant get anywhere with a substandard line.

[gunns]

Parcells, IMO, is one of the most overhyped coaches at this time. In all reality what has he done lately?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think Dallas is going to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. They've still got that great defense from last year, and it's only going to be better. Adding TO was huge and they'll have Flozell Adams healthy for the whole year hopefully.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Parcells, IMO, is one of the most overhyped coaches at this time. In all reality what has he done lately?

Took a Quincy Carter-led team to the playoffs.

[MechanicalBull]

The Cowboys are definitley a potential playoff team but if they do make it I don't see them going that far. Their offensive line isn't what it used to be and that division should be real good this year. I think the Giants are going to win the division but they could easily end up in 3rd at seasons end.

[Hogan11]

Now The Sports Reporters are all wanting the pokes to win the SB because of Parcells & TO & the conclusion that the pokes are still "America's Team." Apparently Parcells has constructed a team that can win it all.

This is no surprise since they promote guys like T.O. and his ilk in order to sustain their dismal NFL coverage during the season....which should be even worse this year since NFL Primetime is no more.

Really, I rarely, if ever, turn on ESPN anymore at all.

[shaun514]

The Cowboys are definitley a potential playoff team but if they do make it I don't see them going that far. Their offensive line isn't what it used to be and that division should be real good this year. I think the Giants are going to win the division but they could easily end up in 3rd at seasons end.

You are right. It isn't what it used to be. There will be three different starters than they ended with. And even that porous bunch still took you guys into overtime because the kicker can't make a chipshot field goal.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Also, Dallas lost like 4 games last year because they had horrible kickers. I mean...really awful. Vanderjagt is going to make a big difference.

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Parcells has done an excellent job of rebuilding both lines of scrimmage in Dallas.

[Kaylore]

We'll see. I know the media has been pimping every team in the NFC East. At least a third of the teams, usually more, don't perform they way analysts thinks think they will.

Last year us and the Redskins were supposed to suck diddly-poo all year and the Bills and Jets were locks for the playoffs. Some were even pimping the Jets as super Bowl contenders. We don't know who's going to stay healthy and who isn't, that's why these predictions can be pretty terrible.

I'm just glad we've reached the time of year when everyone forgets we were good and has talked themselves into thinking we "might only win nine games".

[Atlas]

The Cowboys hype will be thick this season. I'm already deaf from it here.

Yes, they are overrated. Their Oline is poor, and you cant get anywhere with a substandard line.

Their Oline isn't bad at all. Last year they had a solid Oline then Adams got hurt and they lacked depth. This year they get Adams back and they signed a very solid OL in Fabini.

If Bledsoe gets time he can make plays.

[MechanicalBull]

We'll see. I know the media has been pimping every team in the NFC East. At least a third of the teams, usually more, don't perform they way analysts thinks think they will.

Last year us and the Redskins were supposed to suck diddly-poo all year and the Bills and Jets were locks for the playoffs. Some were even pimping the Jets as super Bowl contenders. We don't know who's going to stay healthy and who isn't, that's why these predictions can be pretty terrible.

I'm just glad we've reached the time of year when everyone forgets we were good and has talked themselves into thinking we "might only win nine games".

Back in NY everyone was predicting the Jets to go to the superbowl which was ridiculous in its own right, but you are right about these predictions and shouldn't be taken serious at all. Last year it was can the Eagles repeat and make it back to the superbowl and the Bears were a laughing stock of the league pretty much.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

A year ago, predicting the Jets would be in the Super Bowl wasn't that ridiculous. They had a strong team. A team that missed the AFC Championship because their kicker missed two field goals. The Patriots looked vulnerable in that division.

No one could have predicted half the Jets roster would go on IR. That was the ridiculous part.

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Their Oline isn't bad at all. Last year they had a solid Oline then Adams got hurt and they lacked depth. This year they get Adams back and they signed a very solid OL in Fabini.

If Bledsoe gets time he can make plays.
People are overrating the loss of Larry Allen, but he's not what he used to be and Parcells likes that people think he ran Allen off the team.

Without regard to whether Parcells deserves all of his accolades, he's done a good job in Dallas. That team was well below average on both sides of the LOS when he got to town and now they're well above average in those critical areas.

[Kaylore]

A year ago, predicting the Jets would be in the Super Bowl wasn't that ridiculous. They had a strong team. A team that missed the AFC Championship because their kicker missed two field goals. The Patriots looked vulnerable in that division.

No one could have predicted half the Jets roster would go on IR. That was the ridiculous part.
That's the point I'm trying to make. We don't know what's going to happen.

[MechanicalBull]

A year ago, predicting the Jets would be in the Super Bowl wasn't that ridiculous. They had a strong team. A team that missed the AFC Championship because their kicker missed two field goals. The Patriots looked vulnerable in that division.

No one could have predicted half the Jets roster would go on IR. That was the ridiculous part.

Maybe its just my hatred for the Jets, Pennington, and Herm. To me Herm is a horrible coach and horrible at play calling for the offense. A lot of so called experts locally in NY say he is great Mon-Sat, but not on Sunday. He is a career 2 games under 500 as a coach. Pennington has never played a full season in the NFL and he probably has better odds that he will get hurt again this year than stay healthy. If I'm down by six and have to go 90 yds with like a minute or so to go Pennington would be one of the last QBs I would want to lead me to victory. It might just be me but I don't see what was so special about the Jets.

I do however have to admit I like how their future looks with Clemens, Ferguson, and Mangold.

[Florida_Bronco]

A year ago, predicting the Jets would be in the Super Bowl wasn't that ridiculous. They had a strong team. A team that missed the AFC Championship because their kicker missed two field goals. The Patriots looked vulnerable in that division.

No one could have predicted half the Jets roster would go on IR. That was the ridiculous part.

Now this was a pretty good post Bob.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Now this was a pretty good post Bob.

Come on man, read between the lines. It's a thinly-veiled Herm Edwards promo.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

To me Herm is a horrible coach and horrible at play calling for the offense. A lot of so called experts locally in NY say he is great Mon-Sat, but not on Sunday.

I tend to agree with you there, but Herm never called plays in NY to my knowledge. He certainly won't be doing it in KC.

I agree with the other part. I'm hoping it won't matter because we have such great offensive leaders already installed in KC. I'm confident Herm can hold Gunther's hand on the defensive side.

[Kaylore]

I tend to agree with you there, but Herm never called plays in NY to my knowledge. He certainly won't be doing it in KC.
Neither will Al Saunders. But then your offense won't change one bit, right?:giggle:

[Taco John]

Without regard to whether Parcells deserves all of his accolades, he's done a good job in Dallas. That team was well below average on both sides of the LOS when he got to town and now they're well above average in those critical areas.


Checking my watch, It's almost time for Bill to bail.

[Florida_Bronco]

Come on man, read between the lines. It's a thinly-veiled Herm Edwards promo.

I know, but your bitching and whining about the Herm Edwards hiring showed me how you truly feel about that.

[Taco John]

I tend to agree with you there, but Herm never called plays in NY to my knowledge. He certainly won't be doing it in KC.



We can only wish Herm called his own plays. I guess we'll just have to be satisfied that he has 'control' of the clock.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Neither will Al Saunders. But then your offense won't change one bit, right?:giggle:

I don't believe it's production will significantly change. There will be a philosophy change if that's what you're referring to. The types of plays called and the terminology will be almost identical.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I know, but your b****ing and whining about the Herm Edwards hiring showed me how you truly feel about that.

I'm learning to live with it.

I guess we'll just have to be satisfied that he has 'control' of the clock.

I'm trusting our quarterback to maintain control of that, 'cause Herm's track record ain't good at all.

[MechanicalBull]

I tend to agree with you there, but Herm never called plays in NY to my knowledge. He certainly won't be doing it in KC.

I agree with the other part. I'm hoping it won't matter because we have such great offensive leaders already installed in KC. I'm confident Herm can hold Gunther's hand on the defensive side.

You're right Herm didn't call the plays but after awhile as a head coach you have to see that it isn't working and have to change the gameplan. I do think the Chiefs offense will drop only a little bit but that's because Saunders left and the offensive line question marks but they should be fine and put up big numbers once again this year.

[Kaylore]

I don't believe it's production will significantly change. There will be a philosophy change if that's what you're referring to. The types of plays called and the terminology will be almost identical.
I"m not talking about the scheme, I'm talking about the brain behind the guys disecting opponents defenses. Having a scheme and executing it is ok, but playcalling and knowing how to attack a defense takes skill some have more of than others.

You lost your head coach and your offensive coordinator. We've seen how Herm calls plays so you better hope that Mike Solari knows what he's doing.

[ZachKC]

I loved making Solari OC. I was pretty worried they would screw that whole thing up.

[Taco John]

I don't believe it's production will significantly change. There will be a philosophy change if that's what you're referring to. The types of plays called and the terminology will be almost identical.


Om. Om. Om. Om.

Just keep repeating it... It's bound to come true! :pray:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Having a scheme and executing it is ok, but playcalling and knowing how to attack a defense takes skill some have more of than others.


That's true. Our rushing attack won't suffer in that regard because Solari was pretty much responsible for what you're describing. I'm hoping Trent Green and Terry Shea can pick up some of the slack in planning the passing game because Solari is going to be learning on the job.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Om. Om. Om. Om.

Just keep repeating it... It's bound to come true! :pray:

I really don't. We might drop from #1 but I don't see us averaging less than 25 points a game.

[MechanicalBull]

If Herm doesn't tinker with the offense that much you guys should be fine, but I'm hoping he does more than tinker and uses all his time outs by the 3rd qtr :~ohyah!:

[Kaylore]

If Herm doesn't tinker with the offense that much you guys should be fine, but I'm hoping he does more than tinker and uses all his time outs by the 3rd qtr :~ohyah!:
Ok seriously what's up with that? He burns those like nobody's business. Didn't use two up in the first five minutes of the first quarter one time?

[loborugger]

How the hell did we go from discussing the Cowboys to discussing the Chefs? Oh, ya, Bob's here. Another thread ruined by his presence.

The pundits desperately want the NFC East to be division it was from 85-95. Won't happen. Neither one of the teams in the NFC title game last year were from the east, even though they got 2 teams in. At least they got one victory (Skins over Bucs). The odds are that one team will be good, but that happens in every damn division.

The AFC West outplayed the NFC East (heads up) and no one talks about that. Its just the size of the markets. Fortunately, the games arent won by the fans who run their mouths the most/loudest (take note, Bob).

[MechanicalBull]

Ok seriously what's up with that? He burns those like nobody's business. Didn't use two up in the first five minutes of the first quarter one time?

I think it just goes back to his bad play calling and not sure what to do in certain situations. He even hired a time management man and that didn't even stop him from wasting them.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

How the hell did we go from discussing the Cowboys to discussing the Chefs? Oh, ya, Bob's here. Another thread ruined by his presence.


Eh. Someone brought up the Jets. That leads to Herm. That leads to the Chiefs. It happens.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think it just goes back to his bad play calling and not sure what to do in certain situations. He even hired a time management man and that didn't even stop him from wasting them.

The man's name is Dick Curl, and he's a Chief.

I don't trust anyone that looks like this:

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/1391/stopcheating2gx6wb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[MechanicalBull]

The man's name is Dick Curl, and he's a Chief.


Yeah that's his name for some reason I was thinking Dick Grohl or something like that, but had no idea Herm took him with him to KC.

This has turned into another Chief thread partly due to me responding to a post about the Jets being predicted to go the superbowl last year which led to Herm which led to the Chiefs.

[TexanBob]

If Bledsoe gets time he can make plays.

True, but Bledsoe's a sitting duck out there. Any team that can blitz Dallas effectively can stop their offense. Bledsoe doesn't have the escapability of a McNabb.

[shaun514]

True, but Bledsoe's a sitting duck out there. Any team that can blitz Dallas effectively can stop their offense. Bledsoe doesn't have the escapability of a McNabb.

Before Adams went down, Bledsoe was more than effective against the blitz. Then, they inserted a tackle who allowed 15 sacks in 10 games and his play declined.

[GonzoLays]

Took a Quincy Carter-led team to the playoffs.

Using that logic Dick Vermiel should be the greatest head coach of all time considering he took a Trent Green-led team to the playoffs. Or did he? Did Vermiel ever make the playoffs in KC? It seems so long ago, the years get mixed upped. I know he didn't WIN in the playoffs, because it has been, what, 17 years since a Chiefs playoff victory? Is that right? That doesn't sound right. 17 years since a Chief's playoff victory? Naaaa, that has to be wrong. Is it?

[ZachKC]

Comparing Carter to Green.

What a joke. Go buy some integrity.

[GonzoLays]

Comparing Carter to Green.

What a joke. Go buy some integrity.

Oh, come one, don't be such a sensitive nilly willy.

Trent Green career playoff victories: 0 in 13 years in the league
Quincy Carter career playoff victories: 0 in 5 years in the league

And you are trying to imply that I am completely off base comparing those two? That's a joke. You are down 24-19 with two minutes left in a playoff game and your team is backed up on their own two yard line. Who do you want QB'ing your team down the field, Quincy Carter or Trent Green? You'd be lying if you said Trent Green. How can you pick Green? He has played 13 freaking seasons in the NFL and has never led a team to even a single playoff victory. If it didn't happen in the first 13 seasons, lets just say that it is a good bet that it ain't going to happen.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Using that logic Dick Vermiel should be the greatest head coach of all time considering he took a Trent Green-led team to the playoffs. ?

What? Quincy Carter is one of the worst NFL quarterbacks in league history. Trent Green is one of only four quarterbacks to post 90 or better ratings 4 years in a row. Get a clue.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You are down 24-19 with two minutes left in a playoff game and your team is backed up on their own two yard line. Who do you want QB'ing your team down the field, Quincy Carter or Trent Green? Y

You can't be ****ing serious.

Green has as many 4th-quarter comebacks in the last three years as Peyton Manning.

[GonzoLays]

You can't be ****ing serious.

Green has as many 4th-quarter comebacks in the last three years as Peyton Manning.

Oh, I'm serious as a heart attack.

Trent Green career playoff victories: 0 in 13 years in the league

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Oh, I'm serious as a heart attack.

Trent Green career playoff victories: 0 in 13 years in the league

Through no fault of his own. If you had taken an objective look at his career you'd know that.

[BABronco]

Through no fault of his own. If you had taken an objective look at his career you'd know that. Yeah guys its not like Trent has ever had a decent offense ... or a team that went 13-3. *sighs and rolls eyes*

[GonzoLays]

I bet you Trent Green would bite the leg off of a rabid dog to taste the sweet helping of a playoff victory if thats what it would take to win a postseason game. We know he can't QB the team to victory, so hey, you got to do what you got to do sometimes.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah guys its not like Trent has ever had a decent offense ... or a team that went 13-3. *sighs and rolls eyes*

Trent Green has been a starter at quarterback for six NFL seasons.

In those six seasons his defenses have ranked 22nd, 22nd, 32nd, 29th, 31st and 25th.

[BABronco]

And his offensive rankings?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And his offensive rankings?

I think we're well aware he's led one of the most fantastic offenses in recent history. Are you somehow trying to insinuate that he sucks because of it?


By the way, Carter's defense was ranked 1st overall the year he "took" the Cowboys to the playoffs. And they still got their asses handed to them in the playoffs.

I think we can all agree that if Trent Green had played with the #1 defense, he'd be a Super Bowl champion.

[BABronco]

I think we're well aware he's led one of the most fantastic offenses in recent history. Are you somehow trying to insinuate that he sucks because of it?


By the way, Carter's defense was ranked 1st overall the year he "took" the Cowboys to the playoffs. And they still got their asses handed to them in the playoffs.

I think we can all agree that if Trent Green had played with the #1 defense, he'd be a Super Bowl champion.

And the "most fantastic offense in recent history" can't even win a game.

[ZachKC]

And the "most fantastic offense in recent history" can't even win a game.
They won 10 last year. One of only 2 teams since the salary cap to do that and not get into the playoffs.

[ZachKC]

OMers, acting like they don't know football just so they can fight with Chiefs fans. Gotta love it.

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OMers, acting like they don't know football just so they can fight with Chiefs fans. Gotta love it.
Pardon me? Gonzo Vs Knob is troll on troll violence.

I think you're feeling a little sheepish because you nibbled at the bait, too.

[Atlas]

True, but Bledsoe's a sitting duck out there. Any team that can blitz Dallas effectively can stop their offense. Bledsoe doesn't have the escapability of a McNabb.

That's why the Cowboys need to mass protect Bledsoe on passing downs.

[24champ]

They won 10 last year. One of only 2 teams since the salary cap to do that and not get into the playoffs.
well its pretty pathetic that chef fans are pround of THAT. What a sad franchise...poor poor mullets.