So.....is Rod Smith done or what?

[crazyhorse]

Last year he really seemed to tail off at the end of the season. I have been predicting the end for him the last couple years and have been wrong. However, looking a little long in the tooth at the end of the season had me wondering if he has had it.

I am guessing he has, but was wondering what you folks thought.

[Taco John]

What a troll.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Last year he really seemed to tail off at the end of the season. I have been predicting the end for him the last couple years and have been wrong. However, looking a little long in the tooth at the end of the season had me wondering if he has had it.

I am guessing he has, but was wondering what you folks thought.

Your predictions sound much more like praying. :~ohyah!:

[elsid13]

How is making the pro-bowl tailing off???

[Sassy]

He might be...AFTER he wins another SB or two ;D

[Kaylore]

What a troll.
Ignore feature is our friend. He has the most bloated ego of all the Chief trolls. Anytime we have good news about our team he has to make a thread to try and piss everyone off because he's a jealous prick.

[-Slap-]

September Receiving
GAMEDATE Opp RES GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
09/11 @MIA L 10-34 Yes 7 90 12.9 23 0
09/18 SD W 20-17 Yes 8 83 10.4 20 0
09/26 KC W 30-10 Yes 7 80 11.4 21 1



October Receiving
GAMEDATE Opp RES GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
10/02 @JAC W 20-7 Yes 4 33 8.3 14 0
10/09 WAS W 21-19 Yes 2 23 11.5 13 0
10/16 NE W 28-20 Yes 6 123 20.5 72 1
10/23 @NYG L 23-24 Yes 3 51 17.0 37 0
10/30 PHI W 49-21 Yes 5 76 15.2 32 1



November Receiving
GAMEDATE Opp RES GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
11/13 @OAK W 31-17 Yes 5 50 10.0 27 1
11/20 NYJ W 27-0 Yes 5 57 11.4 14 0
11/24 @DAL W 24-21 Yes 5 57 11.4 20 1



December Receiving
GAMEDATE Opp RES GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
12/04 @KC L 27-31 Yes 6 79 13.2 18 0
12/11 BAL W 12-10 Yes 5 64 12.8 21 0
12/17 @BUF W 28-17 Yes 11 137 12.5 34 1
12/24 OAK W 22-3 Yes 5 91 18.2 24 0
12/31 @SD W 23-7 Yes 1 11 11.0 11 0



January Receiving
GAMEDATE Opp RES GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
01/14 NE W 27-13 Yes 6 96 16.0 42 1
01/22 PIT L 17-34 Yes 4 61 15.3 32 0

90+ yards receiving three of the final five games, despite receiving increased double coverage in most games due to Lelie's lack of a meaningful role in the offense.

Why not at least try and troll a valid criticism?

Its not like this Bronco team doesn't have holes, but old Crazy Whore decides to try and dig through bedrock with a plastic spoon.

:~ohyah!:

[SureShot]

So are you done working on that piece of sh!t car or what?

[2KBack]

HaHa, Crazy woke up today and decided it was nice weather for fishing

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=15134&stc=1&d=1143384758

It's on permenant display. You have to love how he painted the underbody red with Kraylon. Classy.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1651&dateline=1143900735

Mustard yellow on top would be perfect.

[Kaylore]

Its not like this Bronco team doesn't have holes, but old Crazy Whore decides to try and dig through bedrock with a plastic spoon.
LOL Hilarious!

[Paladin]

Ignore feature is our friend. He has the most bloated ego of all the Chief trolls. Anytime we have good news about our team he has to make a thread to try and piss everyone off because he's a jealous prick.

The ignore feature is absolutely winderful. However, when people push the "Quote" button, those simple pieces of bullwhackey show up on everyone's screen, thereby defeating the purpose of the ignore feature. I further do not understand why people keep responding to or even feel the need to respond, to the trolls. There is absolutley no redeeming value of a post from any of those clucks for KC, and certainly not that crazy fella, and Bob and Zack or, indeed, any of them.

If you feel you must, you can help keep the Mane clean and fun by not pushing the quote button when responding to the the trolls in your posts. I urge you to use the quick response feature at the bottom of the thread. All your cute sigs and avatars will show up. It will do wonders for the scenery around here.

Thank you so much, and we now return you to your regularly scheduled
belly laughs.....

[crazyhorse]

One can only assume by the gross over reaction that the general thought is that Rod Smith hasn't lost a bit.

The question was pretty simple. Not even a loaded question. I couldn't have lobbed it any softer than that.

You pollyannas sure get your feelings hurt easily.

[crazyhorse]

The ignore feature is absolutely winderful. However, when people push the "Quote" button, those simple pieces of bullwhackey show up on everyone's screen, thereby defeating the purpose of the ignore feature. I further do not understand why people keep responding to or even feel the need to respond, to the trolls. There is absolutley no redeeming value of a post from any of those clucks for KC, and certainly not that crazy fella, and Bob and Zack or, indeed, any of them.

If you feel you must, you can help keep the Mane clean and fun by not pushing the quote button when responding to the the trolls in your posts. I urge you to use the quick response feature at the bottom of the thread. All your cute sigs and avatars will show up. It will do wonders for the scenery around here.

Thank you so much, and we now return you to your regularly scheduled
belly laughs.....

Though poorly thought out, you respond as much as anyone to the "trolls". What's up?

[watermock]

Shouldn't you be more worried about signing Bob Golic?

http://roseannenation.ytmnd.com/

[Killericon]

Last year he really seemed to tail off at the end of the season. I have been predicting the end for him the last couple years and have been wrong. However, looking a little long in the tooth at the end of the season had me wondering if he has had it.

I am guessing he has, but was wondering what you folks thought.

He's got exactly one more season in him; but it will be a 1000 yarder.

[Requiem]

despite receiving increased double coverage in most games due to Lelie's lack of a meaningful role in the offense.

That's the only part of your quote that isn't true.

[Atlas]

Ignore feature is our friend. He has the most bloated ego of all the Chief trolls. Anytime we have good news about our team he has to make a thread to try and piss everyone off because he's a jealous prick.


I have Crazywhore on ignore but then people keep quoting his lame, attention seeking ass.

[crazyhorse]

What a troll.

Think of it as something similar to the "Priest has lost a step thread" you posted on the planet a couple years back. You know, before he buried the TD record. The difference being, I am probably right.

[crazyhorse]

He's got exactly one more season in him; but it will be a 1000 yarder.

Troll.

[kamakazi_kal]

:haw!: :kcbard: :lombardi:

[Killericon]

Troll.

Very clever.

[2KBack]

That's the only part of your quote that isn't true.

If you didn't see Rod double covered the entire second half of the season, then you're blind.

[watermock]

Think of it as something similar to the "Priest has lost a step thread" you posted on the planet a couple years back. You know, before he buried the TD record. The difference being, I am probably right.

Is he even cleared to play yet?

[crazyhorse]

Is he even cleared to play yet?

No. I think Priest is done.

[watermock]

Troll.

You gotta love that.

[Requiem]

If you didn't see Rod double covered the entire second half of the season, then you're blind.

I'd beg to differ, but what I do know for a fact that is that 13 of Lelie's 88 passes thrown his way were in the first game of Miami. One game of the season amounted to 16% of the pass attempts thrown Lelie's way. That's absolutely pathetic. The next game, ten passes thrown his way. So there's 23 passes thrown his way in 2 out of 16 games. Nice to know that a quarter of Lelie's target passes were thrown to him two games into the season. People bash Lelie for not putting up big numbers, but hell -- he didn't get many looks either.

[Taco John]

Think of it as something similar to the "Priest has lost a step thread" you posted on the planet a couple years back. You know, before he buried the TD record. The difference being, I am probably right.



Well, except for the fact that he actually had (he was noticably slower to the line that year, but it didn't matter due to exceptional blocking), you might have had a point. If you're really looking for a difference, you might try looking at the fact that when a player on the Broncos starts to underperform, the people on THIS board are already talking about it well before the troll comes in to exploit it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Last year he really seemed to tail off at the end of the season.
The loco mule has no brain, that's obviously apparent. His football knowledge rivals that of fishing bait.







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[-Slap-]

That's the only part of your quote that isn't true.
Really? Go check out the playoff game against New England. Belichick was determined to keep Smith from beating him and Rod saw double coverage throughout the first half. That only loosened up when Lelie actually managed to catch a few short passes that turned into first downs.

[2KBack]

I'd beg to differ, but what I do know for a fact that is that 13 of Lelie's 88 passes thrown his way were in the first game of Miami. One game of the season amounted to 16% of the pass attempts thrown Lelie's way. That's absolutely pathetic. The next game, ten passes thrown his way. So there's 23 passes thrown his way in 2 out of 16 games. Nice to know that a quarter of Lelie's target passes were thrown to him two games into the season. People bash Lelie for not putting up big numbers, but hell -- he didn't get many looks either.

Actually, I bash Lelie for running crappy routes. Either way, Rod was doubled in the second half of the season, and Lelie wasn't considered a threat. Who's fault that was is moot. Rod was doubled because Lelie didn't scare anyone.

[Requiem]

Lelie was hardly thrown to in the second half of the season, so I do see where it's hard to be a threat when a 1/4 of the passes thrown your way went to you in the course of two games. Not to mention the difference in how many throws Rod got over Lelie. 126 to 88. Give Lelie 126 looks, and he'll put up the same sort of numbers.

[2KBack]

Lelie was hardly thrown to in the second half of the season, so I do see where it's hard to be a threat when a 1/4 of the passes thrown your way went to you in the course of two games. Not to mention the difference in how many throws Rod got over Lelie. 126 to 88. Give Lelie 126 looks, and he'll put up the same sort of numbers.

Ah, so you're saying he lacked a meaning ful role in the offense?

Let's see what that quote from slap was that you disagreed with:
"despite receiving increased double coverage in most games due to Lelie's lack of a meaningful role in the offense. "

Strange, somehow now you are agreeing with him. Slap was 100% right and you agree. This isn't the thread to try and champion Pussley.

[azbroncfan]

I didn't hear him retire so I guess he isn't done. Brown and Rice got it done late into careers.

[Requiem]

Ah, so you're saying he lacked a meaning ful role in the offense?

Let's see what that quote from slap was that you disagreed with:
"despite receiving increased double coverage in most games due to Lelie's lack of a meaningful role in the offense. "

Strange, somehow now you are agreeing with him. Slap was 100% right and you agree. This isn't the thread to try and champion Pussley.

I took the way he said it as more of a "Lelie didn't so **** because he's ****." way than that he wasn't targeted. I wonder what that means though. . . Rod getting double-coverage. . . and Lelie still not getting looks? Something about that confuses me. Either Jake loves throwing to Rod and into double coverage, or he just didn't like throwing to Lelie at all. . . or maybe Lelie was being covered by two guys. . .

[-Slap-]

I took the way he said it as more of a "Lelie didn't so **** because he's ****." way than that he wasn't targeted. I wonder what that means though. . . Rod getting double-coverage. . . and Lelie still not getting looks? Something about that confuses me. Either Jake loves throwing to Rod and into double coverage, or he just didn't like throwing to Lelie at all. . . or maybe Lelie was being covered by two guys. . .

If you interpreted "Lelie's lack of a meaningful role in the offense" to mean "Lelie didn't so **** because he's ****" then you're an unnecessarily combative little peon, and I've got enough of your kind running around under my feet right now.

Knock yourself out, poser.

[watermock]

The deep saftey covered Lilly deep. The plan was to open the field. The problem was we didn't have a decent slot in Watts or a WR that was adequate.

When you double Rod and the deep safety govery Lelie, There is a hole. Putz never delivered, or Pulummer didn't deliver. Mediator might work it but that's how I saw it. I didn't see the dynamic over the middle TE we desperately needed.

[crazyhorse]

If you're really looking for a difference, you might try looking at the fact that when a player on the Broncos starts to underperform, the people on THIS board are already talking about it well before the troll comes in to exploit it.

We'll see about that.

[watermock]

He didn't interpret it that way at all...you did.

[JCMElway]

He's got exactly one more season in him; but it will be a 1000 yarder.

Wrong Icon. He's got three years left in the tank. Two of them will be 1,000 yarders.

[2KBack]

I took the way he said it as more of a "Lelie didn't so **** because he's ****." way than that he wasn't targeted. I wonder what that means though. . . Rod getting double-coverage. . . and Lelie still not getting looks? Something about that confuses me. Either Jake loves throwing to Rod and into double coverage, or he just didn't like throwing to Lelie at all. . . or maybe Lelie was being covered by two guys. . .

That's a pretty snap judgment from what he said. It's not like people try to hide their dissapointment with Lelie these days. None the less, the point of the entire thread is that Rod is still getting it done while being the focus of our offense even when the Defense is aware of that and is geared to stop it. Lelie's role has been beat to death, and is mostly specluation from all parties. Some have an irrational hate, at some have some sort of man crush on him (which I do find odd, cuz despite his play, he's being a douche right now).

This thread is defending a warrior of a reciever that has fought his way from asolute obscurity, to the single greatest WR on one of the most successful NFL franchises in history. I'm done trying to discuss who's fault it is that Ashley's Vagina hurts.

[watermock]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taco John
If you're really looking for a difference, you might try looking at the fact that when a player on the Broncos starts to underperform, the people on THIS board are already talking about it well before the troll comes in to exploit it.


We'll see about that.

I can troll on command right?

[elsid13]

The deep saftey covered Lilly deep. The plan was to open the field. The problem was we didn't have a decent slot in Watts or a WR that was adequate.

When you double Rod and the deep safety govery Lelie, There is a hole. Putz never delivered, or Pulummer didn't deliver. Mediator might work it but that's how I saw it. I didn't see the dynamic over the middle TE we desperately needed.

Mock got it right. And Smith has lost a step, but he still performing at high level.

[SureShot]

Lelie was hardly thrown to in the second half of the season, so I do see where it's hard to be a threat when a 1/4 of the passes thrown your way went to you in the course of two games. Not to mention the difference in how many throws Rod got over Lelie. 126 to 88. Give Lelie 126 looks, and he'll put up the same sort of numbers.


Sounds to me like cause and effect.

What did he do with those 13 targets in the first game?

Also, why did they decline?

Was it more attention from the opposing defense?

Why do you keep going to bat for this pu$$y?

Laylee: million dollar talent, one cent heart.

[watermock]

Hating Lelie is far from irrational. He was used to stretch the field, in the scheme. BFD.

It would of been funny to see Lelie blown up across the middle on the routes Smith runs.

[watermock]

We got the Chef now...of course the Chef died in an unfortunate NAMBA accident, so we have to get him another name.

Any suggestions?

How they disposed of Chef in South Park was priceless.

[12th man]

Wrong Icon. He's got three years left in the tank. Two of them will be 1,000 yarders.
I think so. Rod is older yes, and age is starting to show with the little grey hairs, but the heart is still willing. We are talking about Rod Smith here. Heart of a warrior and no quite. it's too soon to see a major decline in his play. He's got at least a solid two years left.

Plus, I think things are going to be easier for him with another probowl wr with him. Maybe he won't get doubled teamed that much, so that will help the longevity of his career a little IMO.

He's going to tear it up again this year.

[Gcver2ver3]

So are you done working on that piece of sh!t car or what?



that was a good one......Hilarious!

[Arkie]

Rod is old for a WR, but he hasn't shown any evidence of slowing down. It takes an iron will to stay at this level for very long. Rod has that special drive that allowed an undrafted free agent to stick around. He may play until everybody is begging him to retire years from now. Rod's stats seem to improve when the offense is struggling because he's Mr. Reliable, so I hope his stats tail off in a strong balanced attack that will also feature Javon Walker.

[Popps]

It's going to be fantastic to have a real threat at WR outside of Rod. Walker could really extend Smith's production in Denver for a year or two.
Teams simply won't be able to double Rod any longer, especially if we can find any kind of legitimate pass-catching TE threat.

[24champ]

So are you done working on that piece of sh!t car or what?
:rofl:

[youcandoit1687]

That's a pretty snap judgment from what he said. It's not like people try to hide their dissapointment with Lelie these days. None the less, the point of the entire thread is that Rod is still getting it done while being the focus of our offense even when the Defense is aware of that and is geared to stop it. Lelie's role has been beat to death, and is mostly specluation from all parties. Some have an irrational hate, at some have some sort of man crush on him (which I do find odd, cuz despite his play, he's being a douche right now).

This thread is defending a warrior of a reciever that has fought his way from asolute obscurity, to the single greatest WR on one of the most successful NFL franchises in history. I'm done trying to discuss who's fault it is that Ashley's Vagina hurts.

ill agree that ashley needs to step it up and just show up

[Northman]

I dont care if Ashley comes back or not. I see some potential with the other receivers we have. If Ashley thinks he can be a star than he needs to either show up and prove it or go elsewhere. Either way makes no difference to me.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Last year he really seemed to tail off at the end of the season. I have been predicting the end for him the last couple years and have been wrong. However, looking a little long in the tooth at the end of the season had me wondering if he has had it.

I am guessing he has, but was wondering what you folks thought.

Yeah, the best receiver on the team who went to the pro bowl last year is really playing like sh!t.

Dude, u really need to think before u speak, until Rod plays a season like Lelie did last year, then u can say sumthing about him tailing off.

[crazyhorse]

Rod is old for a WR, but he hasn't shown any evidence of slowing down. It takes an iron will to stay at this level for very long. Rod has that special drive that allowed an undrafted free agent to stick around. He may play until everybody is begging him to retire years from now. Rod's stats seem to improve when the offense is struggling because he's Mr. Reliable, so I hope his stats tail off in a strong balanced attack that will also feature Javon Walker.

This response is reasonable. There was no crying, finger pointing, name calling, or hissy fits. You are to be commended for that. You addressed the question with your opinion.

The point about Walker perhaps taking some of the heat off Smith is valid. Dont really know what to expect from Walker though. It seems like it could be a lateral move from Lelie. But we'll see.

[BroncoBuff]

Yo, Craye Z. Horci ... click here: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ and then die.

[BroncoBuff]

Craye, you believe Rod is "all through"? You're just too gullible.: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=33182

[crazyhorse]

Actually Craye, you believe he's "all through"? Sorry, we all know you're just too gullible.: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=33182

It works really.

[SureShot]

Craye, you believe Rod is "all through"? You're just too gullible.: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=33182


ROFL! ROFL!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[crazyhorse]

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The original question was legit. The locals are always crying that I dont talk football. When I do, they cry.

It was a legit question posed from a rival fan. Many of you folks cant handle it. I have responded accordingly. Those that could handle the question have recieved the appropriate response.

You people are getting exacly what you want here. Quit crying about it.

[SureShot]

I think what we really want is for you leave and attend to your pinto.

[cutthemdown]

if you look at rod smiths numbers they look pretty much the same all year long. He avg about 60-70 yrds a game and gets a td every other game or so. He is what he is and will do it agian this yr.

[Paladin]

I don't think it will matter much if Lelie returns or not. It seems to me that there are some alternatives available in the WR group that might be able to handle the passing game a bit differently than even from last year. Dinger is a different guy; I am not certian if the play calling was limited in certain spots because of the possible shortcomings of Lelie, Plummer or TEs or whatever, but I think Dinger may have some different ideas. If the roll out is the best play you got, then there is some limitation somewhere, and it doesn't have to be the Oline.

I think Smith will be more effective this year than last because now he may not have to be the first option all the time.

[Paladin]

And listen, you Crazy duckf***ker, I gave a reasonable football answer, and you, you Crazy duckf***er, still want to just be a pi$$ing troll. Go F your car in the tailpipe, you arsehole.

[Jetmeck]

Ignore feature is our friend. He has the most bloated ego of all the Chief trolls. Anytime we have good news about our team he has to make a thread to try and piss everyone off because he's a jealous prick.

Damn, I mean ouch !

[crazyhorse]

And listen, you Crazy duck*****er, I gave a reasonable football answer, and you, you Crazy duck****er, still want to just be a pi$$ing troll. Go F your car in the tailpipe, you arsehole.

I dont see where I trolled a reasonable answer anywhere on this thread.

But hey....you're on a roll.

[crazyhorse]

if you look at rod smiths numbers they look pretty much the same all year long. He avg about 60-70 yrds a game and gets a td every other game or so. He is what he is and will do it agian this yr.

I could be wrong about him slowing at the end of the year. I wasn't really looking at the stats. I just thought he was looking tired by the end of the season. Maybe it was because the run game was struggling. Maybe he was over used at the end of the season.

Like I said, I have been predicting Rod slowing down over the last 2 seasons. He's keeps on going though. For that reason, I pay attention. I just felt he was fading a bit. I could be wrong.

[Rausch]

Rod's at the end of his career.

There's no shame in that at all.

He had the numbers of a Jimmy Smith but the influence of a Jerry Rice.

The sad part is in 10 years we'll both be crying because DT and Rod keep getting pushed off...

[crazyhorse]

Rod's at the end of his career.

There's no shame in that at all.

He had the numbers of a Jimmy Smith but the influence of a Jerry Rice.

The sad part is in 10 years we'll both be crying because DT and Rod keep getting pushed off...

Speaking of pushed off Irvin doesn't belong in the Hall.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Rod won't break 1,000 this year.

[crazyhorse]

Unbelievable.

This is a lesson in what can happen if a Chiefs fan talks football here. :kiss: LOL

[elsid13]

Unbelievable.

This is a lesson in what can happen if a Chiefs fan talks football here. :kiss: LOL


I guess that you and I have significant different definition what mean to talk football. All you stated is that Rod Smith is getting old and trailing off. When other posters showed numbers that provide other wise you just restated that Rod is getting old.

Now if I was rival fan and wanted to make an argument that Smith wasn’t going to be effective in football sense I would have done one of following tactics:

1. Smith is now playing in offense that will feature more 3 wide receiver sets, with the TE in as extra blocker. The other WRs in that set will be likely get more balls throw to them, because teams are more likely to put the double team Rod, until the WRs prove they are A) Healthy and B) Can hurt them.

2. The new OC is likes to throw deep passes off play action, something that not Smith’s strength because he more likely to be used on crossing patterns and curls. Smith has lost some speed, and only had a couple of deep completion last year.

3. That because defense coordinator don’t respect the current running backs, the Denver offense will face less 8/9 men in the box, and passing game and Smith will be less productive because of more men in coverage.

That talking football, not "uh Rod is getting old and lost a step".

[crazyhorse]

I guess that you and I have significant different definition what mean to talk football. All you stated is that Rod Smith is getting old and trailing off. When other posters showed numbers that provide other wise you just restated that Rod is getting old.

Now if I was rival fan and wanted to make an argument that Smith wasn’t going to be effective in football sense I would have done one of following tactics:

1. Smith is now playing in offense that will feature more 3 wide receiver sets, with the TE in as extra blocker. The other WRs in that set will be likely get more balls throw to them, because teams are more likely to put the double team Rod, until the WRs prove they are A) Healthy and B) Can hurt them.

2. The new OC is likes to throw deep passes off play action, something that not Smith’s strength because he more likely to be used on crossing patterns and curls. Smith has lost some speed, and only had a couple of deep completion last year.

3. That because defense coordinator don’t respect the current running backs, the Denver offense will face less 8/9 men in the box, and passing game and Smith will be less productive because of more men in coverage.

That talking football, not "uh Rod is getting old and lost a step".

You should read the entire thread. Those trying to take the original question seriously were treated with respect. Those flaming weren't. As for how I must phrase my question, only I determine that.

I had no interest in talking 8 in the box crap, or 3 wides crap. I was talking specifically about Rod Smith and Smith only. Asking if others thought his play might decline this season.

If you wanna blow sunshine up someones ass you are allowed to do that.

Uh...fact is Rod is getting old and I think he has lost a step. What's wrong with that?

[Crushaholic]

It depends on the health of Javon Walker. If he performs like we hope he will, that will take the pressure off Smith to perform at a high level and we might get a few more seasons out of him...