More Stupid Crap from Peter King

[-Slap-]

Commissioner for a Day (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/06/09/commissioner/index.html)

Expand season, limit playoffs, forget about L.A.

Thursday July 6, 2006 4:03PM

Peter King: NFL

This is not as laughable as you might think. The NFL is as close to flawless as any sports league in America -- big surprise there -- but the key word there is "close." I can make it better. I can make it perfect. I can out-Tagliabue Paul Tagliabue. And here goes.

1. Expand the regular season to 18 games: Cut the preseason to two games, and expand the regular season by two. Now, I understand how football's a war of attrition, and so you'd have to adjust how teams play the game. So expand the rosters to have every one of the 53 players on the active roster active for each game, instead of only 45. This would give the best players, theoretically, the opportunity to play fewer plays and give each player a better chance to last 18 games. Of course, you'd have to pay the players more because they'd be performing for two more games, but that's for another day. I'm only the commissioner for a day, not a mathematician.

Reaction: There's no reason for 18 games. All you're going to do increase the odds of teams limping into the playoffs with key players injured. Making 53 guys active every week isn't going to mean crap if teams are rolling out Spergeon Wynn Vs Billy Joe Tollibert in Week 19.

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2. Pass a bylaw prohibiting playoff expansion: Twelve teams is enough. It's almost perfect, by the way. Any more, and you risk an 8-8 team in the hockey-like postseason every year. And because some teams that win 10 will occasionally miss the playoffs, the sentiment will be there every year to expand the postseason. So the NFL should act right now and make it next to impossible to ever have a playoff field bigger than 12 teams.

Reaction: He got this one right, but he passed up an opportunity to mention Carl Peterson is a NancyBoy.

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3. Make long field goals more valuable: Simple: Any field goal 50 yards or further is worth four points. No traditionalist would want it. But no traditionalist wanted the three-point shot in basketball, and look how much fun it is to see Dwyane Wade or Vince Carter go wild from 28 feet. Electric stuff. Imagine the Lincoln Financial Field crowd at a 14-10 game, Philadelphia trailing Dallas, late fourth quarter, Eagles' ball, fourth-and-six at the Cowboy 35. "A-kers! A-kers! A-kers!" the crowd shouts, serenading David Akers as he runs on the field. And now the game's in his hands. Or on his foot. It'd add value to the long field goal, and make more games competitive late.

Reaction: What a tool. I'm actually embarrassed for him.

By the way, if something like this ever happened - and it won't - get ready to see teams running backwards and downing the ball outside the 34 to set up 50+ yard field goals late in the game. Then, some shameless shill up in the broadcast booth will commend the coaching staff on their shrewd decision.

I need to stop this whole line of thought because I'm giving myself a headache.

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4. Take NFL Sunday Ticket off the dish and put it on digital cable: There are too many people -- like me -- who will never get a dish because digital cable is so good. Makes no sense. How many of those people have no intention of going through the gyrations to get a dish just so they can have every NFL game in their house on 17 Sundays? I don't care what the NFL is making off the dish. The league would make more on digital cable -- and what's more, more people would watch more football. My theory, anyway.

Reaction: Fine by me. I'll watch either way.

Is this lazy tub of guts actually telling us he's SI's beat guy for the NFL and he doesn't have NFL Sunday Ticket?

Frigging priceless.

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5. Stop the love affair with Los Angeles: Just stop it. I was in L.A. in April and conducted my own unscientific poll at an Irish pub (the L.A. Red Sox bar) in Santa Monica: Do you want an NFL team here? Now, most of the people in there were twentysomethings on their fourth Harp or Red Hook, but I didn't hear one enthusiastic response. And that's half of the demographic the NFL wants. The other half -- the big-moneyed -- will support a franchise. But I don't think the populace will. And the NFL hasn't been hurt by it since the Raiders and Rams left.

Reaction: The NFL will be back in LA. Its simply a matter of time. I really don't care one way or the other, though.

King's reply was possibly the most shallow and least informed take on the subject I've ever read. I'm taking into account the 47 different threads about the NFL in LA that have appeared in this forum.

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6. Put more mikes on players and officials, and put the game on a seven-second delay: There's still an antiseptic feel to games, and you know what fans want. They want to be closer to the action. The way to do that, simply, is to make the field closer to the living room. By putting the seven-second delay on, you'd have a red button in every control truck to knock out the curse words. The game would be more alive, more organic.

Reaction: Anyone else getting the vibe that maybe Peter King really doesn't even like to watch football very much? I think he likes to gossip about the personalities, but it seems like he's pretty jaded to the product on the field.

In theory, mics on the players sounds pretty good. Who can forget, "You tried, baby!", as Steve Atwater deposited the Nigerian Nightmare on his wallet.

In reality, the NFL has no intention of letting you hear what comes out of the mouths of some of these thugs. Basically all this would do is create more potential crap for Gene Washington to fine people over.

This would also make Ravens' games utterly unbearable.

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7. Let players wear the numbers of their choice -- with an asterisk: Allow players to purchase the number they wish for $250,000. One-time fee. That $250,000, which players could write off, would go into a pool to benefit 10 charities to be agreed upon by the players' association and the league. And once a year, the league would cut an equal check to each charity. So imagine a player changes teams, or a draft choice comes on a new team, and he wants to wear an odd number. Reggie Bush with number 5, for instance. Imagine you've got 20 of those guys per year. And new commissioner Roger Goodell appears in the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans to hand a check for $500,000 to Habitat for Humanity, which guarantees to build 100 homes in 30 days with the money. Gee, the more I write about this, the more I like it.

Reaction: Uh, no.

And Peter? Screw you for trying to dress up your gay little idea in a charitable gesture to distract people from its gayness.

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8. Prohibit the moving of the Saints for five years: Make this a "for the good of the game" issue. It's ludicrous to think of kicking a city when it's so down. Now's the time to be a good neighbor and a loyal corporate partner, not greedy.

Reaction: I agree.

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9. Put two computer chips in the football, and make the goal line, in essence, capable of sending a signal when the football touches the plane of the goal line: Let's just call this "The Ben Roethlisberger Rule."

Reaction: Let's call it a gross overreaction. Sports include judgement calls. Competent referees will minimize the number of errors.

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10. Make the Super Bowl the best two out of three: Ha! Made you look. Just kidding. I may be commissioner, but I'm not that stupid.

I know damn well this lazy bastard wasn't serious. This might have meant two more weeks of work for him.

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[Vegas_Bronco]

2 quick late add-ins:

1) LEt the practice squad play at least 1 game a month on weekdays. I like the preseason games but they are worthless to the starters after game 1.

2) Let the Super Bowl game be held in Vegas indefinitely - we already have a bigger 'party' than any 'host' city has and you'll never find a better stage for the big game.

[Kaylore]

And Peter? Screw you for trying to dress up your gay little idea in a charitable gesture to distract people from its gayness. :rofl: That's the first thing I thought once the "charity" word found it's way into this one. If you say its for charity and mention poor, crippled people, then it innoculates you from any criticism.

"I think we should sell big green plastic buttholes with our team logo....and give the money orphans - orphans with diseases!"

[Meck77]

2) Let the Super Bowl game be held in Vegas indefinitely - we already have a bigger 'party' than any 'host' city has and you'll never find a better stage for the big game.

You know the Arena Bowl experience I had there a couple years ago was pretty decent I must admit. Only problem was they had it at the Thomas Mack Center which really isn't anything spectacular. I could see Vegas slamming together a Superbowl Stadium to end all stadiums though.

Hell if they considered KC for a superbowl Vegas should get a look. :sunshine:

[61Vikefan]

Here is my idea-

-When a team scores a TD-they kick off from the 35 yard line.

-When a team scores a FG-they kick off from the 20.

There should be more of an incentive in the field position game to go for TD's and there should be a reward for the defense that held the opposition to a FG.

[MechanicalBull]

Reaction: What a tool. I'm actually embarrassed for him.

By the way, if something like this ever happened - and it won't - get ready to see teams running backwards and downing the ball outside the 34 to set up 50+ yard field goals late in the game. Then, some shameless shill up in the broadcast booth will commend the coaching staff on their shrewd decision.

I need to stop this whole line of thought because I'm giving myself a headache.


Maybe at like the 2 min. warning of both halves we can bring down the 50 pt goal posts for fg attempts ala rock n jock basket ball. From his past articles I would agree Slap I wonder how much football he actuall does watch.

[NaptownChief]

Reaction: There's no reason for 18 games. All you're going to do increase the odds of teams limping into the playoffs with key players injured. Making 53 guys active every week isn't going to mean crap if teams are rolling out Spergeon Wynn Vs Billy Joe Tollibert in Week 19.

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This is a possibility but it is also a possibility that if a top player gets hurt and is out for 5 or 6 games it will be tougher for that team to make the playoffs in a 16 game season yet with a longer season that player might be able to come back and have enough time to get his team back in. And the longer season statistically reduces the chances of a bad team fluking it's way into the playoffs due to a extremely softer than normal schedule....But all that said I wouldn't vote to change the current format.

[bendog]

He could have gone to canada and written about Ricky, but .... well, he'd have to get up off the sofa.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Quote:
4. Take NFL Sunday Ticket off the dish and put it on digital cable: There are too many people -- like me -- who will never get a dish because digital cable is so good. Makes no sense. How many of those people have no intention of going through the gyrations to get a dish just so they can have every NFL game in their house on 17 Sundays? I don't care what the NFL is making off the dish. The league would make more on digital cable -- and what's more, more people would watch more football. My theory, anyway.


I would love that.

[fontaine]

I stopped paying attention to what Peter King had to say when he forecasted Adrian Madise as a future pro-bowl player.

I can just imagine him attending the Broncos Training Camping Buffet that summer and just as his allocated time there was over, he huffs and puffs over to the fields and asks some coach who his super sleeper was, pen and hand ready.

The coach probably smile and whispers to someone else watch me make a dumba$$ out of this fool and says Adrian Madise.

Peter scribbles the name down on his hand and rushes off to the next training camp on his free buffet tour.

The only thing I would change about the NFL?

Change the way the 1st round picks are awarded according to incompetence. I hate the fact that the more incompetent a team is, the richer the draft rewards.

Screw tight fisted and screwball franchises that put out an inferior product year after year. Maybe the first round can stay the same, but Rounds 2-7, the draft order would be picked by earlier picks going to teams with the best records.

[NaptownChief]

The only thing I would change about the NFL?

Change the way the 1st round picks are awarded according to incompetence. I hate the fact that the more incompetent a team is, the richer the draft rewards.

Screw tight fisted and screwball franchises that put out an inferior product year after year. Maybe the first round can stay the same, but Rounds 2-7, the draft order would be picked by earlier picks going to teams with the best records.


You better steer clear of Berkely, CA....they have linched people for lesser conservative ideas than that. ;D

[NOLA Bronco]

King makes some dumb comments, but compared to most of the football writers, he is pretty good. If not him, who do y'all think are the best writers?


Slap - I don't think he has Sunday Ticket, because he is travelling for games every Sunday. No need to have it home if you don't watch it. I think he was making a general plea for the many who don't want to buy a dish.

I think the uniform things sounds fine. Having different number in college doesn't ruin the game, does it? And isn't giving money to less fortunate people a good thing?

I am not so sure the NFL has enough competent refs to make the necessary calls. If we have the technology, why not use it?

[NOLA Bronco]

The only thing I would change about the NFL?

Change the way the 1st round picks are awarded according to incompetence. I hate the fact that the more incompetent a team is, the richer the draft rewards.

Screw tight fisted and screwball franchises that put out an inferior product year after year. Maybe the first round can stay the same, but Rounds 2-7, the draft order would be picked by earlier picks going to teams with the best records.


So the rich get richer? Unlike the NBA, NFL teams won't tank the end of the season to get the #1 pick. It takes a couple years, but getting those high draft picks sure helped teams like the Colts, Steelers, and Bucs. Sometimes it comes down to management with teams like Zona and Detroit. The NFL wants to have a competitive league, and if the best teams are able to get the best players every year, then the system goes kaput.

[-Slap-]

King makes some dumb comments, but compared to most of the football writers, he is pretty good. If not him, who do y'all think are the best writers?

He sucks.

Bob Oates.

Slap - I don't think he has Sunday Ticket, because he is travelling for games every Sunday. No need to have it home if you don't watch it. I think he was making a general plea for the many who don't want to buy a dish.

He doesn't travel every week. Piss on people on who won't break down and buy a dish. I guess they just don't want to watch football bad enough.

I think the uniform things sounds fine. Having different number in college doesn't ruin the game, does it? And isn't giving money to less fortunate people a good thing?

Peter King is an unctuous boob. Feel free to give whatever you wish to the less fortunate. Players shouldn't have to be bribed in exchange for altruism. The NFL shouldn't be reduced to selling "casual day" stickers to assuage the tender egos of prima donnas like Reggie Bush.

I am not so sure the NFL has enough competent refs to make the necessary calls. If we have the technology, why not use it?

Why not have a replay on every frigging down?

[fontaine]

So the rich get richer? Unlike the NBA, NFL teams won't tank the end of the season to get the #1 pick. It takes a couple years, but getting those high draft picks sure helped teams like the Colts, Steelers, and Bucs. Sometimes it comes down to management with teams like Zona and Detroit. The NFL wants to have a competitive league, and if the best teams are able to get the best players every year, then the system goes kaput.

Not exactly. I already said Round 1 can stay the same where the blue chip prospects and real difference makers are that have turned around franchises like the Colts/Bucs/Cincy etc.

I'm talking about modifying the format for rounds 2-7.

As far as the rich get richer? Not really, the NFL already rewards "rich" teams that do well with comp picks who's FAs get poached every offseason. Why not make it above board and clear instead of an over complicated comp pick system?

Whereas teams like the Pats etc that are built up through good drafting, management, and coaching get torn down from FA and having to pick late in the draft as a reward for simply being a better run football team than the Detroits, Browns, Cardinals of the NFL?

Where's the competition in that?

Take Detroit. There are other teams like this that are poorly run and organized. Now, they were rewarded with blue chip WR prospects who are now next to useless because the GM is enough of a retard to bring in a fellow alumnist from the university of football idiocy who runs an offense which isn't suited to those top WRs the GM drafted in the first place.

Detroit will no doubt go on to suck again this year. But I guess it's ok to reward their utter incompetence with another selection of top picks at each round, while they'll just go out and try to lure other GOOD teams FAs by overpaying for their services (instead of developing their own), further undermining the ability of good teams to sign FAs, since players have to paid that bit extra to play for a sh*tty team like Detroit.

[NOLA Bronco]

Bob Oates.

Who does he write for?




He doesn't travel every week. Piss on people on who won't break down and buy a dish. I guess they just don't want to watch football bad enough.

Piss on you. The funds aren't there for everybody. By having the digital cable, I get a reduced rate for phone and internet. I would rather just pay $5 to watch the Broncos games and avoid the others. Actually, never mind. I like going to the bar down the street to watch the games.



Peter King is an unctuous boob. Feel free to give whatever you wish to the less fortunate. Players shouldn't have to be bribed in exchange for altruism. The NFL shouldn't be reduced to selling "casual day" stickers to assuage the tender egos of prima donnas like Reggie Bush.

You may not like King, but Bush is far from a prima donna. So far, he has donated money to rebuild a high school football field, build some houses, help pee wee league football, and several other things I can't remember right now. When was the last time you heard of a player doing this before he even set foot on the field?

In terms of the number stuff, he was trying to brand himself. No harm in that. The number rule is stupid anyway. Football players are different than players in other sports who get face time. Football players need to have that recognizable jersey to get the endorsement money.


Why not have a replay on every frigging down?

I think it should be available, if the play warrants it. I would rather be right and take an extra 15 minutes a game, then be wrong. The football season is so short, one loss means more than in every other sport. You can have a bad loss in baseball, but you have 161 games to make up for it. The coaches challenge rules are dumb too.

[NaptownChief]

Piss on you. The funds aren't there for everybody. By having the digital cable, I get a reduced rate for phone and internet. I would rather just pay $5 to watch the Broncos games and avoid the others. Actually, never mind. I like going to the bar down the street to watch the games.




I'm betting the combination of digital cable saving ends up being less than the cost of heading down to the bar and buying those $2-4 beers versus paying a little more for the dish and Sunday Ticket....It would only take about 5 trips to the bar for me to spend more than the Sunday Ticket price.

[NOLA Bronco]

I'm betting the combination of digital cable saving ends up being less than the cost of heading down to the bar and buying those $2-4 beers versus paying a little more for the dish and Sunday Ticket....It would only take about 5 trips to the bar for me to spend more than the Sunday Ticket price.

But at the bar, I watch 4 games at once. If I am at the bar, I am not getting nagged at home.

[Spider]

Quote:
4. Take NFL Sunday Ticket off the dish and put it on digital cable: There are too many people -- like me -- who will never get a dish because digital cable is so good. Makes no sense. How many of those people have no intention of going through the gyrations to get a dish just so they can have every NFL game in their house on 17 Sundays? I don't care what the NFL is making off the dish. The league would make more on digital cable -- and what's more, more people would watch more football. My theory, anyway.


I would love that.
this is somthing Dish and the NFL worked out ...... I would love the Ticket on Cable , but cant take it away from Dish ........

[Jason in LA]

It’s funny that Peter King says that LA shouldn’t have a football team. Maybe if he did some real research he’d see that the NFL sees a ton of money being made by putting a team here, and that’s why they are willing to put up an $800 million stadium.

Yesterday I was at a meeting hosted by the Central City Association (CCA), which is a group that brings together developers from all over the city. Councilman Bernard Parks, who is also the head of the Coliseum Commission, said that the NFL’s main concern is selling those luxury boxes. It’s all about support from the business community, not as much from the fans. Parks pointed out that Staples Center, which is just up the street, makes $400 million a year off that arena. A lot of that is from selling those luxury boxes. If a new Coliseum could make that they would be among the league leaders. Staples does have more dates, but football games do usually cost more than basketball and hockey games because there are fewer dates. Sellouts won’t be much of an issue. It will be a 65,000 seat stadium. That’s not hard to sellout.

The NFL would own the stadium, so they’d make a ton of money outside of NFL games. And they’d make money off of USC, who would be their tenants.

Parks said that the NFL would also have the rights to the Sports Arena, which doesn’t really sound like a big deal, but it really is. They’d probably tear that dump down and use that space for something. Maybe put up another building. If they were smart they’d put up a parking structure.

I got a lot more news from Parks. I’d say it’s just about a done deal. It’s too sweet of a deal for the NFL to pass up.

One final point about it. The LA Live project is in the works, among other projects, that makes the area even more intising. LA Live will be near the Staple Center. A guy from the Mayor’s office told me that they were going to bring “Time Square” to Downtown LA. A lady from CCA told me that they had smaller projects for the areas south of Staples Center all the way down to USC. USC is already putting up a new basketball arena, and the new Coliseum will be up by 2010 (they’ll start building after USC’s ’07 season).

All of those other projects are going up even if the NFL doesn’t come. But seeing what’s going on to that area, the NFL would be pretty dumb if they didn’t put a team there. There’s too much money that they’d lose out on.

Maybe Peter King should do a little more research then going into one bar.

[El Minion]

5. Stop the love affair with Los Angeles: Just stop it. I was in L.A. in April and conducted my own unscientific poll at an Irish pub (the L.A. Red Sox bar) in Santa Monica: Do you want an NFL team here? Now, most of the people in there were twentysomethings on their fourth Harp or Red Hook, but I didn't hear one enthusiastic response. And that's half of the demographic the NFL wants. The other half -- the big-moneyed -- will support a franchise. But I don't think the populace will. And the NFL hasn't been hurt by it since the Raiders and Rams left.


Reaction: The NFL will be back in LA. Its simply a matter of time. I really don't care one way or the other, though.

King's reply was possibly the most shallow and least informed take on the subject I've ever read. I'm taking into account the 47 different threads about the NFL in LA that have appeared in this forum.

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I know that bar, it's Sonny McLeans (http://www.sonnymcleans.com/). They used to have a once a year a lobster meal for a ridicules low price and it would attract so many people that it would take hours to get in, stopped it though because it was too successful.:pity:

Anyways, that bar is no way a cross section of LA fandom. That's an asinine way to gauge LA's NFL interest, might as well go to Mr. Pockets (http://www.mrpockets.com/default.htm) (LA's FSU hang-out) and ask if USC should have a say in the Coliseums remodeling.

[Jason in LA]

might as well go to Mr. Pockets (http://www.mrpockets.com/default.htm) (LA's FSU hang-out) and ask if USC should have a say in the Coliseums remodeling.

From the looks of it USC will be able to give their input, but it's the NFL's project. So if USC doesn't like something, tough.

USC's biggest concern is a stadium that holds only 65,000. But from the reports the stadium will be able to be expanded to 80,000 for USC games. That might calm USC down, but they rather play in a 90,000+ seat stadium that they can sell out.

[broncosteven]

But at the bar, I watch 4 games at once. If I am at the bar, I am not getting nagged at home.


I Use Cable for our daily viewing & the dish for Football package only & we can order movies also. I only pay for Football & any movies we rent no other fees for the dish & I can do other things around the house & be online here at the same time.

[bendog]

Jason,

They'd play back to back Sat and Sun games on the same turf? I didn't think that worked too good with the colesium?

[Arkansas Bronco]

this is somthing Dish and the NFL worked out ...... I would love the Ticket on Cable , but cant take it away from Dish ........
Oh no not take away but offer it to everyone. No exclusives.

[Kaylore]

After reading King's article a second time, I got the same thing from it that Slap did. I don't think that Peter King likes football. He certainly doesn't really appreciate it.

[youcandoit1687]

From the looks of it USC will be able to give their input, but it's the NFL's project. So if USC doesn't like something, tough.

USC's biggest concern is a stadium that holds only 65,000. But from the reports the stadium will be able to be expanded to 80,000 for USC games. That might calm USC down, but they rather play in a 90,000+ seat stadium that they can sell out.

they didnt sell out when they were mediocre. theyll be lucky to fill 65 in a few years

[KipCorrington25]

Yes, all we need now are teams dropping yardage to kick more field goals. Why go for a TD when you can down the ball for a 10 yard loss and kick it! The day that rule goes into effect I'm done with the NFL.

How about making filed goals only 2 points? Let's deemphasize the kicking game before we make 2 field goals worth more than a TD and extra point. A team gets rewarded more for getting to the 30 yard line twice instead of the end zone once.

King is an idiot. I can't stand that guy.

And I agree with whoever said he enjoys the soap opera more than the game.

[-Slap-]

Who does he write for?

Look it up.

Piss on you. The funds aren't there for everybody. By having the digital cable, I get a reduced rate for phone and internet. I would rather just pay $5 to watch the Broncos games and avoid the others. Actually, never mind. I like going to the bar down the street to watch the games.

Get a job, boy. I don't give a **** about your finances. You can either afford the service or you cannot. Go ask your hero Reggie for a loan or leave my store.

You may not like King, but Bush is far from a prima donna. So far, he has donated money to rebuild a high school football field, build some houses, help pee wee league football, and several other things I can't remember right now. When was the last time you heard of a player doing this before he even set foot on the field?

Was that money he saved from all the illegal crap he got in college? I'm glad he had anything left to spend on image enhancement after his prissy little prima donna routine convinced Houston to pass on him. He cost himself millions with that move and I'm glad.

In terms of the number stuff, he was trying to brand himself. No harm in that. The number rule is stupid anyway. Football players are different than players in other sports who get face time. Football players need to have that recognizable jersey to get the endorsement money.

God, you're simple. How many pro football players get endorsement money anyway? Basically, only the ones who would never need any. Like Reggie the prima donna.

I think it should be available, if the play warrants it. I would rather be right and take an extra 15 minutes a game, then be wrong. The football season is so short, one loss means more than in every other sport. You can have a bad loss in baseball, but you have 161 games to make up for it. The coaches challenge rules are dumb too.

If you would rather be right, you should have taken extra time to formulate some cogent thoughts.

[youcandoit1687]

Jason,

They'd play back to back Sat and Sun games on the same turf? I didn't think that worked too good with the colesium?

look at what happend to tiger stadium when the saints played there. even when not on consecutive days it wears on the middle of the field. luckily there were only a few of these games that remotely overlapped

[bendog]

look at what happend to tiger stadium when the saints played there. even when not on consecutive days it wears on the middle of the field. luckily there were only a few of these games that remotely overlapped
yeah, well that's where I was going. I think the the fake turf they put in the superdome, the season before katrina wiped out, was ok with the players in terms of knees, though I'd think the scrapes would still be nasty, and I think it held up ok with the double use. But, I still don't like looking at the fake stuff. Real mud and water just look right. Do you remember?

I was sorta wondering about fake turf in LA. I seems "wrong." but hey, it's about money.

[youcandoit1687]

IMO, the field turf is great ive played a game on it and had a couple practices on it at Cal. u barely even think about it and thats the best u can ask for. my only problem with it is that i use metal tip cleats bc i hardly ever play on fieldturf so i did slip around a little but the plastic tip cleats work great on the stuff supposedly. come to think of it, i think i had plastic tip for the game i played a year ago, and no problems with it. somebody asked me how it was and i was like "oh, i totally forgot about it, musta been good"

[Sean]

9. Put two computer chips in the football, and make the goal line, in essence, capable of sending a signal when the football touches the plane of the goal line: Let's just call this "The Ben Roethlisberger Rule."

Reaction: Let's call it a gross overreaction. Sports include judgement calls. Competent referees will minimize the number of errors.



At first I didn't think this was a bad idea. There are enough judgement calls as it is with ball spots, fumbles, catches, etc. One less thing to worry about. Then I wondered, what happens if the microchips stop working? The refs would be so used to relying on the damn things, they might not be in good position to make the proper call if necessary. So I changed my mind. Screw this idea. Still, not as laughable as the four point field goal. Sheeesh.

[Jason in LA]

Jason,

They'd play back to back Sat and Sun games on the same turf? I didn't think that worked too good with the colesium?

I don't think that will be much of an issue. The scheduling will be made so it doesn't happen often.

Now it has happened in the past. USC would play on Saturday, then the Raiders on Sunday. It didn't happen often, but it happened.

At one point USC, UCLA, and the Rams were all playing there. So I'm sure there were a number of weekends where there were games on both days.

[youcandoit1687]

really? why wasnt UCLA using hte Rose? and didnt the rams play at rose?

[Jason in LA]

they didnt sell out when they were mediocre. theyll be lucky to fill 65 in a few years

I'm the #1 USC hater. I'm hoping they come back to the pack. But that's not going to happen. They are a power that's going to last a very long time. Many people do not realized that the biggest reason for their turn around was because they lowered the acedemic standards for athletes. They got tired of being a non-factor in college football. So they did what all the other top programs did. Many of their football players can't get in to UCLA, which hurts us in recruiting.

[Jason in LA]

really? why wasnt UCLA using hte Rose? and didnt the rams play at rose?

UCLA played at the Coliseum for a number of years before they moved out to the Rose Bowl. When UCLA and USC used to play they both would wear their home jerseys, which was pretty cool. Many people would love to see that come back.

I don't think the Rams ever played at the Rose Bowl, outside of that Super Bowl loss to the Steelers.

[youcandoit1687]

o i thot htey did play ther like in the 60s maybe dunno there.

about the only other big cf fan i know out here my age is a ucla fan. i think he posts on scout sometime. i love the university of second choice joke and it fits with the academic standards. UCLA is the california school to get into right now and ive seen it hurt them with some recruits in my area. i currently play with courtney viney but some other guys here have gone to other places because they couldnt get into UCLA. it does have a connection at my school because of guys like ricky manning jr and brandon breazell.

i also hate USC for a variety of reasons...

because of the fickle fans(my parents went to a game there in like the 80s and they spread the 8,000 LSU fans into about 8 sections and they were still louder

the football ignorance they displayed during the BCS debacle

the bragging and bandwagoning

etc., etc., you know the reasons

[El Minion]

From the looks of it USC will be able to give their input, but it's the NFL's project. So if USC doesn't like something, tough.

USC's biggest concern is a stadium that holds only 65,000. But from the reports the stadium will be able to be expanded to 80,000 for USC games. That might calm USC down, but they rather play in a 90,000+ seat stadium that they can sell out.

65,000 is too small, IMO, for the LA market. The Team/NFL could easily fill 80,000 with smart and creative marketing. They could take a page from Vegas hotels and offer ridicules low prices and make up the difference in parking and concession offerings to the captured stadium attendant. The current Coliseum was built without the emphasis of generating revenue from concession vendors, imagine the additional revenue if the Coliseum had a concourse like the Staple Center. Would you rather have 65k customers or 80k buying food, booze and team paraphernalia?

[NOLA Bronco]

Look it up.



Get a job, boy. I don't give a **** about your finances. You can either afford the service or you cannot. Go ask your hero Reggie for a loan or leave my store.



Was that money he saved from all the illegal crap he got in college? I'm glad he had anything left to spend on image enhancement after his prissy little prima donna routine convinced Houston to pass on him. He cost himself millions with that move and I'm glad.



God, you're simple. How many pro football players get endorsement money anyway? Basically, only the ones who would never need any. Like Reggie the prima donna.



If you would rather be right, you should have taken extra time to formulate some cogent thoughts.


Yikes, what the Frick is your problem? You enjoy the personal attack method to discussion I see. Whatever helps you sleep at night. You rule the internet!!! You remind me of this:

Reeeeal men of geeeeeniuuuus!

Today we salute YOU, Mr. Really Mad Internet Sports Fan

"Mr. Really Mad Internet Spo-orts Fan!"

Only YOU can fully appreciate the mind-blowing tragedy of a bunch of 18-22 year old athletes you'll never meet, losing a game.

"Don't you TAAAAALK to me about perspective!!"

While others are too preoccupied with things like real life, you take your anger directly to the place where it will make the absolute least possible impact: An Internet discussion forum.

"Loggin' on now!"

Your unique eye for logic allows you to sling turds of doom every which way, and then brag about how you were RIGHT as soon as one of the pieces sticks to the wall – regardless of how many dozens fell limply to the floor before that.

"See I told you sooooooo!!"

And if some idiot newspaper columnist has the gall to not be as incensed as you are, you unleash your fury down upon him with all the tenacity and mercilessness of a rabid pit bull with a tender buttock locked in its jaws.

"Total anonymity!"

So keep clicking away, oh Marauder of the Mousepad. Because when the results you so desire finally come about years from now, you can say it was because YOU demanded it."

"How come they haven't fired that dumbass coach yet?"

[SureShot]

Cable sucks. Get a dish. I can't believe that fat ass doesn't have the ticket. Actually I'm suprised by any football fan that doesn't have it.

[NOLA Bronco]

I'm the #1 USC hater. I'm hoping they come back to the pack. But that's not going to happen. They are a power that's going to last a very long time. Many people do not realized that the biggest reason for their turn around was because they lowered the acedemic standards for athletes. They got tired of being a non-factor in college football. So they did what all the other top programs did. Many of their football players can't get in to UCLA, which hurts us in recruiting.

Are you saying the academic standards at the private school USC are lower than those at the state school UCLA for football players? I never heard that before. I ask this in all seriousness, but do you have some data on it? As a graduate of a private school that holds its standards above those of Big State U, I never knew the opposite existed.

[youcandoit1687]

Cable sucks. Get a dish. I can't believe that fat ass doesn't have the ticket. Actually I'm suprised by any football fan that doesn't have it.

hey man, not everyone can have it. i also dont have time to waste away in front of the TV on sundays because i have HW. although i would do hw at night if i got nfl sunday ticket and nflnetwork lol

[broncosteven]

Yes, all we need now are teams dropping yardage to kick more field goals. Why go for a TD when you can down the ball for a 10 yard loss and kick it! The day that rule goes into effect I'm done with the NFL.

How about making filed goals only 2 points? Let's deemphasize the kicking game before we make 2 field goals worth more than a TD and extra point. A team gets rewarded more for getting to the 30 yard line twice instead of the end zone once.

King is an idiot. I can't stand that guy.

And I agree with whoever said he enjoys the soap opera more than the game.



If the NFL was going to dick around with the points awarded for a FG then they should make a kick closer to the Goal line worth more than one further away. King is a fool. It is harder to get closer to the goal line than 50 yards away from it. Plus it would be all that more frustrating for the Defense that they would give up a 4 point chip shot to tie a 10 -14 game late. The only way I would like to see that is if the O made it to the spot of the 2 point conversion or closer. Personally I like things just the way they are.

People that write these types of articles are taking the easy way out & trying to get on their friends with bad hair's Radio/TV shows on the East Coast.

[Hogan11]

I, for one, will never buy a dish just for Sunday Ticket. Put that shat on the MFing Cable, that's what I say...I pay enough for that as it is.

and I love the New Orleans idea. Other than that, the rest was head shaking to say the least.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think four-point field goals would be interesting. It would give the best kickers more premium value.

Think of a game in the last two minutes where a team is down by four points. It's 3th and 2 at the 35-yard line with 1 minute left. Do they go for the first down and try to get the game-winning touchdown? Or do they kick the game-tying field goal? If they go for it, does the defense let them get the first down?

[SureShot]

hey man, not everyone can have it. i also dont have time to waste away in front of the TV on sundays because i have HW. although i would do hw at night if i got nfl sunday ticket and nflnetwork lol


A clear view of the southern sky is all you need. I can't imagine not having the ticket.

[2KBack]

I actually like the microchip in the football idea, but I'm a gadget geek like that. You could prbably figure out some techno scientific way to determine if a receivers feet were inbounds too.

[azbroncfan]

A clear view of the southern sky is all you need. I can't imagine not having the ticket.
I had it for 5 years or so and the last 2 years couldn't due to where I lived and started going to a sports bar. I now have DTV but dont know if I'll renew ticket because it's nice to get outside the house on sundays to go watch the game. Bar is more expensive over the long haul but you get out of the house and at home it's nice to swap back and forth but it's up to the individual.

[KipCorrington25]

I actually think field goals should be worth 6 points and touchdowns 3... and while I'm on a roll safetys should be 11.5 points and a rougue -2.

There, now I'm Peter King, give me a Kripsy Kreme, a Starbucks, a Red Sox pennant, and let me go watch some high school girls field hockey and watch shows on HBO.

[-Slap-]

Yikes, what the Frick is your problem? You enjoy the personal attack method to discussion I see. Whatever helps you sleep at night. You rule the internet!!! You remind me of this:

Hey, swamp rat, don't post Piss on you. to somebody and then get your panties in a twist when they respond in kind.

Its not my fault you lack the means to see the games.

Don't post five year old smack you didn't write, either.

[Priest Dante]

Does anyone like Peter King? Everytime I see his name mentioned it's somebody bashing him. From what I have read of his material, the bashing seems well deserved.

[-Slap-]

Does anyone like Peter King? Everytime I see his name mentioned it's somebody bashing him. From what I have read of his material, the bashing seems well deserved.
My opinion of him plummeted in recent years. I thought he was fairly decent until he got lazy and complacent. Now he's rapidly going the self parody route.

KipCorrington25's post nailed it.

[Jason in LA]

Are you saying the academic standards at the private school USC are lower than those at the state school UCLA for football players? I never heard that before. I ask this in all seriousness, but do you have some data on it? As a graduate of a private school that holds its standards above those of Big State U, I never knew the opposite existed.

That's pretty much common knowledge here in LA. As a private school USC can set the standards where ever they want to (as long as it meets NCAA standards). UCLA cannot. UCLA has to go by the standards set by the UC system, which is much higher than the NCAA standards.

UCLA is a state school, but it's not a state school in the scene that we view most state schools. It's above Long Beach St., which is California State school. UCLA, and Cal are both University of California (UC) schools. UC Berkley (Cal) is one of the top academic schools in the nation. UCLA isn't that far behind them. Both of those schools rank above USC in most catagories.

Standford is a private school that has high standards. USC is a private school that doesn't have high standards.

There have been a lot of players who were recruited by both UCLA and USC, but they were unable to meet the UC standards, but USC was able to get them in.

[elsid13]

Didn't NFLE experiment with 4 points for 50+ FG this last season?

[Bronco Billy]

Didn't NFLE experiment with 4 points for 50+ FG this last season?


Yes, but no one made a 4-pointer. In theory, could a team have the ball on the 42-yard line, but have the holder set up 8 yards back to make it a
4-pointer?

[NOLA Bronco]

Hey, swamp rat, don't post to somebody and then get your panties in a twist when they respond in kind.

Its not my fault you lack the means to see the games.

Don't post five year old smack you didn't write, either.


You need to lighten up, Chet.

The "piss on you" was a reference to your previous "piss on" comment, and was not meant to be taken seriously.

I know I didn't write the RMOG, thats why it was highlighted, and was put there to lighten the mood.

[NOLA Bronco]

That's pretty much common knowledge here in LA. As a private school USC can set the standards where ever they want to (as long as it meets NCAA standards). UCLA cannot. UCLA has to go by the standards set by the UC system, which is much higher than the NCAA standards.

UCLA is a state school, but it's not a state school in the scene that we view most state schools. It's above Long Beach St., which is California State school. UCLA, and Cal are both University of California (UC) schools. UC Berkley (Cal) is one of the top academic schools in the nation. UCLA isn't that far behind them. Both of those schools rank above USC in most catagories.

Standford is a private school that has high standards. USC is a private school that doesn't have high standards.

There have been a lot of players who were recruited by both UCLA and USC, but they were unable to meet the UC standards, but USC was able to get them in.

So the UC system has higher standards than the NCAA? How the school ranks as a whole has nothing to do without who they will or won't admit on a football scholarship. For instance, Cal will accept JUCO's for football. I have a hard time believing UCLA wouldn't. So what kind of higher standards could they impose?

[Taco John]

I like the idea of limiting the preseason and increasing the season by two games on the caveat that you increase the division games to three apiece.

[youcandoit1687]

I think four-point field goals would be interesting. It would give the best kickers more premium value.

Think of a game in the last two minutes where a team is down by four points. It's 3th and 2 at the 35-yard line with 1 minute left. Do they go for the first down and try to get the game-winning touchdown? Or do they kick the game-tying field goal? If they go for it, does the defense let them get the first down?

haha ya and then maybe marty's fake field goal might have actually been believable in 97

[youcandoit1687]

That's pretty much common knowledge here in LA. As a private school USC can set the standards where ever they want to (as long as it meets NCAA standards). UCLA cannot. UCLA has to go by the standards set by the UC system, which is much higher than the NCAA standards.

UCLA is a state school, but it's not a state school in the scene that we view most state schools. It's above Long Beach St., which is California State school. UCLA, and Cal are both University of California (UC) schools. UC Berkley (Cal) is one of the top academic schools in the nation. UCLA isn't that far behind them. Both of those schools rank above USC in most catagories.

Standford is a private school that has high standards. USC is a private school that doesn't have high standards.

There have been a lot of players who were recruited by both UCLA and USC, but they were unable to meet the UC standards, but USC was able to get them in.

my ucla friend actually sed that LA is harder to get into than berkeley. USC used to be hard to get into, now they just let in any alumnus' kids because of the money. UCs are on a much higher level than the CSUs and UCLA is at the top of those standards, whether they are ahead of berkeley or not, im not sure

[youcandoit1687]

So the UC system has higher standards than the NCAA? How the school ranks as a whole has nothing to do without who they will or won't admit on a football scholarship. For instance, Cal will accept JUCO's for football. I have a hard time believing UCLA wouldn't. So what kind of higher standards could they impose?

they dont allow guys who dont qualify out of high school like prop 48 guys to play for them. im not entirely sure how the JCs work but if u get good grades at a JC, then u have a close to golden ticket to a 4-year colllege, from my understanding. the school will only accept certain SATs, GPAs, etc.

[Jason in LA]

So the UC system has higher standards than the NCAA? How the school ranks as a whole has nothing to do without who they will or won't admit on a football scholarship. For instance, Cal will accept JUCO's for football. I have a hard time believing UCLA wouldn't. So what kind of higher standards could they impose?

The NCAA standards are pretty low. Some schools, or school systems, have higher standards. We've heard many times about Notre Dame not being able to get a lot of the top athletes (black athletes as Paul Horning said) because their standards are so high. Stanford is the same way. Schools like Florida St, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and some of the other power house schools, are letting just about anybody in.

I can't tell you the exact standards, like GPA, or SAT scores. But I know in the UC system a person has to take two years of a foreign language and up to at least algebra 2. There are a few other classes that a high school student has to take. Many of the top athletes fall short on the required classes. The bad part about it is that many of those students did not know that they had to take those classes. High school counselors aren't really doing their jobs. I was able to get into UCLA, but that was because I heard that UCLA requires those classes (not from my counselor). If I hadn't heard that I probably wouldn't have taken those classes.

A lot of the top athletes don't bother taking those classes because many schools, like USC, do not require them. UCLA has lost out on a lot of athletes because they didn't take certain classes. But those athletes have been able to get into USC.

[Jason in LA]

my ucla friend actually sed that LA is harder to get into than berkeley. USC used to be hard to get into, now they just let in any alumnus' kids because of the money. UCs are on a much higher level than the CSUs and UCLA is at the top of those standards, whether they are ahead of berkeley or not, im not sure

The way I understand it is that UCLA gets a lot more applicants, making it harder to get in. I have heard that UCLA gets more applicants than any other school in the nation. I can't confirm that, but I've heard that in a few different places.

I've heard that the average GPA for incoming freshman at UCLA is above 4.0. The only other way to get in the school is if you have something else to offer, like being an athlete, playing in the band, being a great musician, being a great artist, or something that makes a kid more attractive to the school.

I'm pretty sure the incoming GPA for Cal Berkly students are in the same ball park.

[NOLA Bronco]

The NCAA standards are pretty low. Some schools, or school systems, have higher standards. We've heard many times about Notre Dame not being able to get a lot of the top athletes (black athletes as Paul Horning said) because their standards are so high. Stanford is the same way. Schools like Florida St, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and some of the other power house schools, are letting just about anybody in.

I can't tell you the exact standards, like GPA, or SAT scores. But I know in the UC system a person has to take two years of a foreign language and up to at least algebra 2. There are a few other classes that a high school student has to take. Many of the top athletes fall short on the required classes. The bad part about it is that many of those students did not know that they had to take those classes. High school counselors aren't really doing their jobs. I was able to get into UCLA, but that was because I heard that UCLA requires those classes (not from my counselor). If I hadn't heard that I probably wouldn't have taken those classes.

A lot of the top athletes don't bother taking those classes because many schools, like USC, do not require them. UCLA has lost out on a lot of athletes because they didn't take certain classes. But those athletes have been able to get into USC.

Believe me, I understand the standards thing, as my alma mater, Tulane, is fighting an up hill battle as well. Some people are so worried about the stats of 50 or so kids being at a highre level, without making notice that their GPA's don't fund the athletic department or put fans in the seats. TU has a 5 year waiver because of Katrina, so I hope something is done in these next few years to make the football team more competitive so that the athletic dept is in good shape when they have to bring the rest of the sports back to stay D1.