N. Korea launches missile into Sea of Japan

[elsid13]

Just thought folks should know - Mod move it the other forum if need be.

North Korea test-launched a missile Wednesday that landed in the Sea of Japan, Japanese media reported.

The reclusive communist state launched the missile at 3:32 a.m., or 2:32 p.m. Tuesday EDT, and it crashed into the Sea of Japan several minutes later, public broadcaster NHK reported.

NHK said Japanese government officials were trying to determine whether it was a long-range ballistic missile that had been readied for launch recently. North Korea had been thought to be preparing a test-launch of its Taepodong 2 missile, which is believed to be able to reach parts of the United States.

Officials were not immediately available to confirm the report.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060704/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_missile

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060703/capt.nyol40307031329.nkorea_us_nyol403.jpg?x=180&y=198&sig=4m1eHlZ2gJ3CbR2cENyzDQ--

[Kaylore]

Kim Jong Il should be killed.

[Northman]

Hehloooooooo.

[Cleo McDowell]

Kim Jong Il should be killed.

agreed. Should be the East Sea, not the Sea of Japan. but thats entirely another issue.

[CBF1]

Damn.... they missed

[24champ]

guess that explains why NORAD was on high alert...

[Kaylore]

agreed. Should be the East Sea, not the Sea of Japan. but thats entirely another issue.
Unless they were really shooting at Japan. Maybe he wants to hit an American base, or just Japan in general. He hates Japan. Then again, most Koreans do.

[elsid13]

CNN and AP are reporting it was 3 missile fired today. The little pimple wanted to make a statement on the 4th

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060704/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_missile

[watermock]

His pissant missles managed to get out to sea. German V-2's had longer range.

[watermock]

He hates Japan. Then again, most Koreans do.


That is an assertion. Yes they remember WW2, but that was 60 years ago. The fact is the idiot farted and managed to shoot off a bottle rocket.

[elsid13]

Well CNN is now reporting the long missile that we're attempting to fire, failed in mid air. Let hear it for communist construction techniques.

[watermock]

Dammit, they can't even give us a decen't test platform...NORAD is up in arms!

[watermock]

http://oranckay.net/blog/wp-content/thumb-1958_haebyeongdae_cyclebu.jpg

[Kaylore]

That is an assertion. Yes they remember WW2, but that was 60 years ago. The fact is the idiot farted and managed to shoot off a bottle rocket.
You're so wrong, Mock. So utterly wrong.

[watermock]

http://es.geocities.com/scuadrafotos/B-2-6.jpg

[watermock]

You're so wrong, Mock. So utterly wrong.

So lets stop waisting our time and move out then. There isn't even a security issue anyway. Can you imagine how N. Korea would love to get their hands on Hundai and other industries?

Your clueless.

[watermock]

As ara as I'm concerned, the S. Koreans should be able to defend themselves, right?

Just about as will as the South Vietnamese.

[watermock]

I'm the one to told the board that GPS would be a weapons platform and violated treaty. If you want to formulate any kind of an argument fine. If not STFU.

[GreatBronco16]

Your clueless.


LOL

Oh the irony.

[GreatBronco16]

Damn kalore, now you got mick all fired up. Now he will have about 60 posts in a row just to tell you that he has forgotten more about N.Korea than you will ever know. Then the infamous, STFU.

[watermock]

Unless they were really shooting at Japan. Maybe he wants to hit an American base, or just Japan in general. He hates Japan. Then again, most Koreans do.

Let's play with this for a moment. Sure, he would love to hit American bases in Japan. Unfortunately for your argument, we are based in Okinowa. If "Most Koreans hate America" I see no reason to stay whatsoever. I couldn't be happier.

Of course he wants to hit a base so he can be vaporized.

[elsid13]

I'm the one to told the board that GPS would be a weapons platform and violated treaty. If you want to formulate any kind of an argument fine. If not STFU.


What are you talking about??? You what the acronym GPS stand for right????

[watermock]

All I called him on was that most Koreans hated Americans, which was an assumption. I don't even care honestly.

[watermock]

What are you talking about??? You what the acronym GPS stand for right????

GPS is the foundational weapons guidance system you dimwit.

[elsid13]

GPS is the foundational weapons guidance system you dimwit.

No mock it not, GPS stands for global positioning system. It series of satellites that allow triangulation of three different point of reference to find an exact location on earth. You are correct that in last 10 years it have become important to GNC of weapons of US. GPS has important in location and movement of troops and the logistic tail.

[watermock]

That's amusing. Unless you paint a target, almost all bombs are GPS.

You know dick.

You can still paint a target ala 1990 which is even more accurate. That B2 can send dozens to dozens of different targets. You don't have a clue.

[Kaylore]

All I called him on was that most Koreans hated Americans, which was an assumption. I don't even care honestly.
Put the bottle down and learn to read.

He(Kim Jong Il) hates Japan. Then again, most Koreans do.

So what did you call me on again?

[Hulamau]

North Korean government news agency just threatened that if we try to intervene on their tests they will "retaliate a nuclear war of annhilation with nuclear weapons" against the US.

Now there is an idiot ... one way to insure he gets hammered is to directly threaten that sheat!

No doubt it was for home grown consumption to make his people tolerate his iron hand longer but he's asking for a whuppin'

[Garcia Bronco]

Unless they were really shooting at Japan. Maybe he wants to hit an American base, or just Japan in general. He hates Japan. Then again, most Koreans do.

According to CNN NK gets most of it's food from JApan. Crazy

[Kaylore]

North Koreaqn government news agency just threatened that if we try to intervene on their tests they will "retaliate a nuclear war of annhilation with nuclear weapons" against the US.

Now there is an idiot ... one way to insure he gets hammered is to directly threaten that sheat! That country is a joke. The people are starving and everyone hates them. The Chinese, probably the only country you'd think they'd have in their corner, wants Jong Il gone. They tried to assasinate him a couple of years ago, but it doesn't work. The whole world can agree that North Korea needs a regime change.

I have some friends in Korea who have relatives on the other side and can't see them. Doesn't know if they're even alive. They're all pretty old and too, and time is running out - for everybody.

[Kaylore]

According to CNN NK gets most of it's food from JApan. Crazy
Yeah, it's weird. A large number of NK abductees are from Japan. Their Navy's will fire on one another all the time. There is no food in North Korea and so their philosophy is to force the world to feed them at gun point so they concentrate their production on military power.

[Hulamau]

If we took him out the whole place would collapse overnight as its basically a theocractic cult held together through fear and the trance of his 'divine' nature!

[elsid13]

If we took him out the whole place would collapse overnight as its basically a theocractic cult held together through fear and the trance of his 'divine' nature!

Maybe or maybe not. There a whole bunch of his father's old cronies surrounding him that might step in. Either way the world needs to remove this monster.

When this regime finally collapse, I think the world is going to be shocked about how bad the conditions are there.

[Kaylore]

If we took him out the whole place would collapse overnight as its basically a theocractic cult held together through fear and the trance of his 'divine' nature! That's the theory. He's eliminated anyone who might be considered a next-in-line because of paranoia. The idea is that if he's gone, the entire infrastructure would collapse. I'm of the mindset that there is a Hitler-style contingency he's put in should he be killed where he's ordered the government to destroy/kill everything he can in retaliation.

[watermock]

Unless they were really shooting at Japan. Maybe he wants to hit an American base, or just Japan in general. He hates Japan. Then again, most Koreans do.

Excuse me but you didn't edit your post. And what do North Koren's have to say about it. It takes a months pay to cet a pin.

[Kaylore]

Excuse me but you didn't edit your post.
I know I didn't. Why would I need to?

[watermock]

Because you qualified it ditmit.

[orinjkrush]

what's interesting to me is the "finesse" game that Iran and Korea have going in their "axis of evil" roles. they are playing the US back and forth, back and forth just like Bridge.

[watermock]

I'm waiting for the substantiation that "Most Koreans hate us". Want to play with that?

[Kaylore]

Because you qualified it ditmit. I don't know what you're talking about. You probably don't either.

The post wasn't edited. It says "edited by so-and-so" underneath if it is.

You quoted the orginal text here:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1175967&postcount=10

Then somehow you decided I said Koreans hate Americans and even go so far as to quote me as saying as much here:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1175985&postcount=21

Basically you're trying argue something you know nothing about against a point that no one ever made. Go away.

[Hulamau]

That's the theory. He's eliminated anyone who might be considered a next-in-line because of paranoia. The idea is that if he's gone, the entire infrastructure would collapse. I'm of the mindset that there is a Hitler-style contingency he's put in should he be killed where he's ordered the government to destroy/kill everything he can in retaliation.


Probably so but the flip side of 'idol worship' is that its VERY difficult to pass along 'Idoldom' to the next guy.

No doubt there would be great turmoil and a lot of cronies trying to grab power and create chaos, but when the dust settles the fundamental reality will bust wide open and most of the population will try to rush across the Chinese or South Korean border for their lives

[Kaylore]

I'm waiting for the substantiation that "Most Koreans hate us". Want to play with that?
I never said that, you drunk! I'm waiting for you to tell me who said that and why I need substantiate some imagined post you're all pissed off about.

[Hotwheelz]

Excuse me but you didn't edit your post. And what do North Koren's have to say about it. It takes a months pay to cet a pin.

LOL

MOCK FOR PREZ!!!1!

[Spider]

No mock it not, GPS stands for global positioning system. It series of satellites that allow triangulation of three different point of reference to find an exact location on earth. You are correct that in last 10 years it have become important to GNC of weapons of US. GPS has important in location and movement of troops and the logistic tail.
This is what I need .they tell me Spideryou have to take a Mud Pump ( 80,000 pounds alone ) to Patterson rig 413 , you take the Dadd road out of Wamsutter , go past 8 mile lake road , to the old hay stack ( that hasnt been there for 20 years ) to eureka Head Quaters road ( only about 5 turn offs inbetween ) go about 12 miles ( odometer doesnt have the Close to or about 12 miles ) to a turkey track , take the left road , go about 40 miles to Standard Draw Road , climb thesteep hill , take a right , follow it to the washout , Rig will be on the left ........ then they all point and laugh while you are lost ..... GPS with every county in Wyoming would help .Dont get me started on Utah and the Bonaza road .ugggggg

[Kaylore]

Dont get me started on Utah and the Bonaza road .ugggggg LOL What a joke of a road system. Every road is a number so they all blend together and ensure total confusion. The native kool-aid drinkers have little trouble telling everyone it's the greatest road system/state in the world ever.
:garcia:

North Korea looks a lot like southern Wyoming. The sad thing is it didn't used to. there were supposed to be forests where now there is desolation.

[Spider]

LOL What a joke of a road system. Every road is a number so they all blend together and ensure total confusion. The native kool-aid drinkers have little trouble telling everyone it's the greatest road system/state in the world ever.
:garcia:
And of course I am too cool to ask for help , I just stand there pretending to know what they are talking about ........

North Korea looks a lot like southern Wyoming. The sad thing is it didn't used to. there were supposed to be forrests where now there is desolation.
Southern Wyoming is getting worse ...... Flamming Gorge area is still damn nice

[elsid13]

This is what I need .they tell me Spideryou have to take a Mud Pump ( 80,000 pounds alone ) to Patterson rig 413 , you take the Dadd road out of Wamsutter , go past 8 mile lake road , to the old hay stack ( that hasnt been there for 20 years ) to eureka Head Quaters road ( only about 5 turn offs inbetween ) go about 12 miles ( odometer doesnt have the Close to or about 12 miles ) to a turkey track , take the left road , go about 40 miles to Standard Draw Road , climb thesteep hill , take a right , follow it to the washout , Rig will be on the left ........ then they all point and laugh while you are lost ..... GPS with every county in Wyoming would help .Dont get me started on Utah and the Bonaza road .ugggggg

For $400 or less you can get that. I am surprised that you don't have that in your rig already. I know that certain companies are tracking shipments that way already be by truck, rail or boat.

http://shopper.cnet.com/4014-3430-31411013.html?tag=rubics.rbrem2

[Spider]

For $400 or less you can get that. I am surprised that you don't have that in your rig already. I know that certain companies are tracking shipments that way already be by truck, rail or boat.
I know I should get it ........i can have a real nice one installed for 999.00 ...
Alot of truckers now have that system .......I will get one ...... next month

[elsid13]

I know I should get it ........i can have a real nice one installed for 999.00 ...
Alot of truckers now have that system .......I will get one ...... next month


You own the rig right? So you can write it off as business experience on your taxes

[Spider]

You own the rig right? So you can write it off as business experience on your taxes
no i dont own this one , my brother does .......

[watermock]

Then you can get one that just points the finger at him.

[Spider]

i had to Sell the one I owned ......needed 15 K for a new engine , thetrips came along ,couldnt afford it , so I soldthe olegal and put the money twords Dr. Bills ..... But I still have the same freedoms as i did driving my own ......

[Odysseus]

Your clueless.

Watermock:
Try this....You are clueless...You're clueless.... Maybe you should just add some dots or something.

Kaylore:
Killing Kim insults, involves China, provokes the EU and strengthens the Arabs call for peanut butter or whatever it is they are hollering JIF WAD or something.

RedRocket:
Mock is already president and he's a client too.

Spider:
You, more than any poster on this thread, need a Souju experience.

orinjkrush:
Could you edit your post in bold print....please?

[Spider]

Spider:
You, more than any poster on this thread, need a Souju experience.


Lets pretend I dont know what you are talking about , and fill me in on this

[Kaylore]

Killing Kim insults, involves China, provokes the EU and strengthens the Arabs call for peanut butter or whatever it is they are hollering JIF WAD or something.
China's already made a move against him. At this point I think nixing Kim Jong Il would make everyone in that region happy. Full regime change is what worries the chinese. They probably don't want a democratic captialist country right on their border. Russia already makes them nervous.

And if Arabs want Penut Butter, let them eat sandwiches!:afro:

[Hotwheelz]

Watermock:
Try this....You are clueless...You're clueless.... Maybe you should just add some dots or something.

Kaylore:
Killing Kim insults, involves China, provokes the EU and strengthens the Arabs call for peanut butter or whatever it is they are hollering JIF WAD or something.

RedRocket:
Mock is already president and he's a client too.

Spider:
You, more than any poster on this thread, need a Souju experience.

orinjkrush:
Could you edit your post in bold print....please?



*puff puff pass*:puff: :alky:

[Odysseus]

China's already made a move against him. At this point I think nixing Kim Jong Il would make everyone in that region happy. Full regime change is what worries the chinese. They probably don't want a democratic captialist country right on their border. Russia already makes them nervous.

And if Arabs want Penut Butter, let them eat sandwiches!:afro:

:wiggle: Kill IL 1-2?

[Odysseus]

*puff puff pass*:puff: :alky:

Ha!

What's in your wallet? Times are changing. State Farm is there.

[GreatBronco16]

I'm waiting for the substantiation that "Most Koreans hate us". Want to play with that?


How bout we just say that most people think you're an idiot that can't read or comprehend anything, even if you're the one to write it?

I think all will agree on that. Now go put a date rape pill in your cats water bowl, and take care of your business.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I wonder if we intercepted the long range missle that "failed in mid air"... and just arent saying anything about it.

[Odysseus]

I wonder if we intercepted the long range missle that "failed in mid air"... and just arent saying anything about it.

:yayaya:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I wonder if we intercepted the long range missle that "failed in mid air"... and just arent saying anything about it. I doubt it. They launched at least 5 missiles so far but they are years away from being able to launch nuclear warheads. One of them landed in the Sea of Japan, 370 miles from the coast.

----------------------------------------------------
North Korea launches missiles, US hold UN talks
By George Nishiyama 8 minutes ago

TOKYO (Reuters) -
North Korea launched at least five missiles on Wednesday, including a long-range Taepodong-2, a move
President Bush said defied the international community.

The Taepodong-2, a multi-stage missile that might be able to reach Alaska, apparently failed 40 seconds into its flight, U.S. officials said.

The United States said it was urgently consulting other
U.N. Security Council members after the launches, which occurred despite repeated warnings from the reclusive Stalinist country's neighbors and from Washington.

The yen slid against the dollar and euro on the news and
South Korea's economic authorities were due to hold early talks to discuss the threat to their financial markets.

Bush sees the missile firing as "defiance" of the international community by North Korea," a senior U.S. administration official said. "This is further indication of the isolation of North Korea."

U.S. National Security AdviserStephen Hadley called the launches "provocative behavior," but said they were not a threat to U.S. territory.

"We are urgently consulting with other delegations of Security Council on the situation," the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, said in a statement.

Japan said it would consider economic sanctions against North Korea and said it wanted to take the issue to the Security Council. The Council already has a scheduled meeting for Wednesday at which the issue is likely to be taken up.

Tokyo also called for Pyongyang to return to six-country talks on ending its nuclear weapons program, which have been stalled since the end of last year.

"It is regrettable and we protest strongly against North Korea for going ahead with a launch despite warnings from relevant countries, including Japan," Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe told a news conference in Tokyo.

"It is a serious problem from the standpoint of our national security, peace and stability of the international community and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction."

South Korea said it had called an emergency meeting of its ministers involved in national security to discuss the launches.

LONG-RANGE MISSILE

A State Department official in Washington told Reuters a long-range missile, believed to be a Taepodong-2, failed 40 seconds after it was launched.

Experts say the Taepodong-2 has a possible range of 3,500-4,300 km (2,190-2,690 miles).

Daniel Pinkston, director of the East Asia non-proliferation program for the California-based Center for Nonproliferation Studies, said the failure of the rocket would be a blow to Pyongyang.

"If there was failure that early on in the flight, there is no way they could make any claims of test-launching a satellite as they did in 1998. They will not be able to exploit the propaganda value of that after that type of failure," he said.

The first time North Korea test-fired a long-range missile -- in 1998 over Japan -- it triggered a sharp increase in tension in the region and sent shockwaves through regional financial markets.

Last week, President Bush echoed earlier U.S. threats of a harsh response if North Korea went ahead with a launch. Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said Tokyo would "apply various pressures" but declined to give details.

Japanese NHK television said one missile landed in the Japan Sea 600 km (370 miles) from the Japanese mainland.

The missile launches occurred as the United States marked its July 4 Independence Day and shortly after the U.S. space shuttle Discovery blasted off from its Florida launch-pad.

"It got everybody's attention on the Fourth of July. (North Korean leader) Kim Jong-Il can set off fireworks, too," said John PIke, director of the security Web site GlobalSecurity.org.

Experts say North Korea is developing long-range missiles to have the capability one day to deliver a nuclear bomb, but that Pyongyang is years away from having such a weapons system.

North Korea said in February 2005 it possessed nuclear weapons. It has threatened to build up its nuclear arsenal several times since then in response to what it perceives as increased U.S. threats.

U.S. officials said earlier an air force complex protecting the nerve center of U.S. homeland defense at Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, had been put on heightened alert amid persistent reports North Korea might test-fire a long-range missile.

On Monday, Pyongyang vowed to respond with an "annihilating" nuclear strike if attacked pre-emptively by the United States.

(Additional reporting by Jim Wolf, Paul Eckert, Matt Spetalnick in Washington and Jack Kim and Jon Herskovitz in Seoul).
http://tinyurl.com/eux5o

[baja]

How bout we just say that most people think you're an idiot that can't read or comprehend anything, even if you're the one to write it?

I think all will agree on that. Now go put a date rape pill in your cats water bowl, and take care of your business.

That cat is a male and Mock is not gay

[SureShot]

How about we all pitch in for CPU equipped with a breathlyzer for mock? His cats would hate it though. Every inane post he makes, gives them a chance to hide.

[Popps]

CNN had a special on earlier tonight about that ****-hole and the human rights violations going on over there. Bizarre to think that this stuff can still go on in this day and age.

But, as I've said before... there is a natural progression to everything, and it's already starting to take place. "Dissidents" are using technology over there to expose what the regime is doing. Just a matter of time. You can't hold human beings down forever. It's not in our nature.

[SureShot]

Kim Jong Il should be killed.


With the quickness!

[Odysseus]

Lets pretend I dont know what you are talking about , and fill me in on this

http://www.pusanweb.com/food/index.htm?/food/foodmain.htm

---I can't find a website that tells the story properly. THis will have to do. It is basically a strong Korean drink that has gained almost

[Kaylore]

http://www.pusanweb.com/food/index.htm?/food/foodmain.htm

---I can't find a website that tells the story properly. THis will have to do. It is basically a strong Korean drink that has gained almost
Soju? It's like Vodka to Russians is soju for Koreans. Sul is the word for general alcohol or strong drink.

[errand]

I'm waiting for the substantiation that "Most Koreans hate us". Want to play with that?


OK..Mock, Kaylore never posted that "most Koreans hate America".

He posted that "Kim Jong Il hates Japan...most Koreans do"

Now you know why people on here are flabbergasted that you're even allowed to post on here at all.

[errand]

Just a matter of time. You can't hold human beings down forever. It's not in our nature.

Agreed.

...and yet, the libs in the press and Congress keep telling us that nobody wants democracy. Go figure.

[elsid13]

Little punk shot another meduim range one last night for total of 7.
Little ass needed to be told no as kid.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Agreed.
...and yet, the libs in the press and Congress keep telling us that nobody wants democracy. Go figure.
LOL
And you talk about other people being allowed to post here.

[Florida_Bronco]

This was a classic Mock moment.

[cbs1177]

Alot of stuff got sent into the air on the 4th. First North Korea was tired of not being the center of the diplomacy world and shot 7 missiles (fireworks are under a trade embrago therefore can't be shipped to North Korea) so they were trying to get US attention. Meanwhile we were shooting fireworks and launching a space craft. Ours made it to space theirs lasted 40 seconds. I find it ironic that they spend 23 percent GNP on military for a 4th largest military yet famines routinely happen. And they accept food from USA their arch enemy.

[errand]

LOL
And you talk about other people being allowed to post here.

You're the biggest liberal clown who posts exactly the same crap that I pointed out.

Your side claims the people of Iraq don't even want freedom...and you clowns yearn for the days of Saddam Hussein ruling with an iron fist. Now we're to believe you think North Korea should be free?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You're the biggest liberal clown who posts exactly the same crap that I pointed out.

Your side claims the people of Iraq don't even want freedom...and you clowns yearn for the days of Saddam Hussein ruling with an iron fist. Now we're to believe you think North Korea should be free? ROFL!
Errant the ignorant, rant on! You do the religious right proud!

[SteveTensi13]

Errand is right. I remember when Nicaragua was ruled by the liberal loving Sandinistas who were all up in arms over the contras trying to take down the communist government. Now Nicaragua has one of the highest standards of living in central America. Same thing about Russia. Liberals loved that country and thought of it as a "paradise" for the working man. We all now how that ended up.

China? Can't tell you how often in Santa Fe I see t-shirts bearing the likeness of Moa Tse-Tung. The same man who killed millions of his own people.

For liberals, any enemy of America is their friend, its been proven time and time again and yet they sit there and say they are "patriotic" Americans. Just because you have bumper stickers that read "peace is patriotic" doesn't mean you are. If you have to quantify your "patriotism" that usually means you aren't. By the way what the hell does "peace is patriotic" mean anyway?

[Spider]

http://www.pusanweb.com/food/index.htm?/food/foodmain.htm

---I can't find a website that tells the story properly. THis will have to do. It is basically a strong Korean drink that has gained almost
Damn , I was hoping for Message or somthing from a sweedish woman .....Thanks for nothing ;D

[Spider]

Errand is right. I remember when Nicaragua was ruled by the liberal loving Sandinistas who were all up in arms over the contras trying to take down the communist government. Now Nicaragua has one of the highest standards of living in central America. Same thing about Russia. Liberals loved that country and thought of it as a "paradise" for the working man. We all now how that ended up.

China? Can't tell you how often in Santa Fe I see t-shirts bearing the likeness of Moa Tse-Tung. The same man who killed millions of his own people.

For liberals, any enemy of America is their friend, its been proven time and time again and yet they sit there and say they are "patriotic" Americans. Just because you have bumper stickers that read "peace is patriotic" doesn't mean you are. If you have to quantify your "patriotism" that usually means you aren't. By the way what the hell does "peace is patriotic" mean anyway?

there is this little matter of Letting OBL get by with 9-11 ...... Actions speaklouder then words ..........

[Spider]

ROFL!
Errant the ignorant, rant on! You do the religious right proud!
LOL and he talks about Mock ......

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Errand is right. I remember when Nicaragua was ruled by the liberal loving Sandinistas who were all up in arms over the contras trying to take down the communist government. Now Nicaragua has one of the highest standards of living in central America. Same thing about Russia. Liberals loved that country and thought of it as a "paradise" for the working man. We all now how that ended up.

China? Can't tell you how often in Santa Fe I see t-shirts bearing the likeness of Moa Tse-Tung. The same man who killed millions of his own people.

For liberals, any enemy of America is their friend, its been proven time and time again and yet they sit there and say they are "patriotic" Americans. Just because you have bumper stickers that read "peace is patriotic" doesn't mean you are. If you have to quantify your "patriotism" that usually means you aren't. By the way what the hell does "peace is patriotic" mean anyway?

Geeeeezus! Is this what the conservative right is all about?
No wonder this country is so f**ked up.

[bendog]

JMO, but KimBong wants that light water reactor thingee we've offered to give that Ayatollahwannabies in Iran.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

JMO, but KimBong wants that light water reactor thingee we've offered to give that Ayatollahwannabies in Iran.
They have two under construction now that AB&B (Rumsfeld's company) sold them.

[Hotrod]

There were 10 missles fired.

[Alkazar]

Unless they were really shooting at Japan. Maybe he wants to hit an American base, or just Japan in general. He hates Japan. Then again, most Koreans do.
Nah, it was all those capitalist dolphins running around the Sea of Japan that pissed him off!

[Kaylore]

Korean food is excellent and a lot of it is very good for you. Kimchi Cheegae, Danejaeng Cheegae, Kalbee, Bulgoki, Dalk dori tong - there are some delicious dishes out there to be tried. I'm partial to the Cheegae's (stews) myself.

http://english.daegu.go.kr/UploadFile/Tour/foodimg072_a.jpg

[elsid13]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060706/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_missiles_ready_1;_ylt=Ah84.7U.oa0iPRckoc2Mo b2CscEA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea has three or four more missiles on launch pads and ready for firing, major South Korean newspapers reported Thursday.


The missiles are either short- or medium-range, reported Chosun Ilbo, one of South Korea's largest dailies. It cited an unidentified senior South Korean official.

Another major paper, JoongAng Ilbo, carried a similar report.

The North has also barred people from sailing into some areas off the coast until July 11 in a possible sign of preparations for additional launches, Chosun Ilbo said.

North Korea test-fired seven missiles on Wednesday, triggering international condemnation. The missiles apparently fell into the sea without causing damage or injuries.

and a picture of the little turd

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20060706/2006_07_05t203514_322x450_us_korea_north_missile.j pg?x=179&y=251&sig=lPF0D.dPsVn6ytU.UcBR2g--

[Hogan11]

Korean food is excellent and a lot of it is very good for you. Kimchi Cheegae, Danejaeng Cheegae, Kalbee, Bulgoki, Dalk dori tong - there are some delicious dishes out there to be tried. I'm partial to the Cheegae's (stews) myself.

http://english.daegu.go.kr/UploadFile/Tour/foodimg072_a.jpg

I'll pass, thanks anyways.

[elsid13]

I'll pass, thanks anyways.


Dude that some of the normal stuff.

[Hogan11]

All this because that Lickbag was being ignored and wants the same package that was offered to Iran to nix their nuclear program.....He fired his missiles...they predictably failed and fell into the sea of Japan.....and I just yawned at the whole thing.

[Hogan11]

Dude that some of the normal stuff.

I can handle Japanese food, but the rest of the asian quisene (sic) is definitely not for me.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I have a friend who spent 10 years in Korea. He likes to drag me to this little Korean joint that serves something that starts out like a soupy bowl of spicey rice and then you dump all of this other stuff in and eat it. Tastes great and sits in your stomach like a warm brick for about a week.

Hogan - If you get to town, let me know and I will get you hooked on good Vietnamese and Thai curry.

[watermock]

Beezer just jumped under the bed.

[Hogan11]

I have a friend who spent 10 years in Korea. He likes to drag me to this little Korean joint that serves something that starts out like a soupy bowl of spicey rice and then you dump all of this other stuff in and eat it. Tastes great and sits in your stomach like a warm brick for about a week.

Hogan - If you get to town, let me know and I will get you hooked on good Vietnamese and Thai curry.

I appreciate the offer and all, but I've had Thai before and like I said earlier, I'm just not into the asian food thing at all.

I'll definitely be in for the KC game.....if you can hook me up with a great Mexican place, then we'll be in business!

[loborugger]

As I posted in the War room, Hero Hugo of VZ is headed to Pyongyang to further his strategic alliance with Alec Baldwin's puppet master.

Now, I am reading the tea leaves, for what its worth.

Hugo has oil and wants missiles. Korea has medium range missiles that work and needs pretty much everything else (food, energy, engineers, a clue).

Medium range missiles wont reach the US from East Asia, but they will hit the US from across the Carib Sea. All Hugo needs is a nuke or something else equally nasty to put on the tip of those missiles.

It definitely makes me wonder. That would be a nasty surprise. 40 years ago we almost went to war with the Soviet Union to stop the placement of medium range nukes in Cuba. I wonder what our response to Nuke Missiles in Hugo's hands would be?

[Florida_Bronco]

I wonder what our response to Nuke Missiles in Hugo's hands would be?

Doubt we'd let it happen to begin with.

[sirhcyennek81]

Hugo attempts to get nukes, in OUR hemisphere, he'd be done pdq. Does hugo believe he can actually win a military confrontation with the US? Dude...many have tried. All have failed. Do you want to hitch your horse to that wagon?

:Broncos:

[Vegas_Bronco]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060706/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_missiles_ready_1;_ylt=Ah84.7U.oa0iPRckoc2Mo b2CscEA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea has three or four more missiles on launch pads and ready for firing, major South Korean newspapers reported Thursday.


The missiles are either short- or medium-range, reported Chosun Ilbo, one of South Korea's largest dailies. It cited an unidentified senior South Korean official.

Another major paper, JoongAng Ilbo, carried a similar report.

The North has also barred people from sailing into some areas off the coast until July 11 in a possible sign of preparations for additional launches, Chosun Ilbo said.

North Korea test-fired seven missiles on Wednesday, triggering international condemnation. The missiles apparently fell into the sea without causing damage or injuries.

and a picture of the little turd

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20060706/2006_07_05t203514_322x450_us_korea_north_missile.j pg?x=179&y=251&sig=lPF0D.dPsVn6ytU.UcBR2g--



The photo looks too much like a Korean Al Davis - this guy is just pissed b/c the Raiders suck. Little whiner! - maybe he's trying to hit Al Davis....is that such a bad thing?

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

there is this little matter of Letting OBL get by with 9-11 ...... Actions speaklouder then words ..........
Letting OBL go? Letting OBL go was in 1993 when the WTC was first bombed and Clinton did nothiong. Then OBL bombed the USS Cole and Clinton did nothing. Then 2 US embasseies were bombed and Clinton did nothing. Then there was the us barrecks were bombed and you guessed Clinton did Did Nothing. Oh I forgot that Clinton did send a couple of cruise missiles toward OBL a couple of time. Bush took down to dicditorial governments. Your right Actions do speak loader that words.

[cutman0122]

Korean food is excellent and a lot of it is very good for you. Kimchi Cheegae, Danejaeng Cheegae, Kalbee, Bulgoki, Dalk dori tong - there are some delicious dishes out there to be tried. I'm partial to the Cheegae's (stews) myself.

http://english.daegu.go.kr/UploadFile/Tour/foodimg072_a.jpg

Dalk dori tong...yum! For the longest time I thought it was Talk. It sounded like it anyway. That's chicken isn't it?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hugo attempts to get nukes, in OUR hemisphere, he'd be done pdq.

I'm sure Bush and his Big Oil puppet masters would love to see it happen.

Then they would have an excuse to invade Venezuela and get their hands on those oil reserves.

[Kaylore]

Dalk dori tong...yum! For the longest time I thought it was Talk. It sounded like it anyway. That's chicken isn't it?
;D It is. It's actualy a "td" sound. Not quite a t and not quite a d. It's sounded out in english both ways though. Anyway it is a delicious chicken and onion stew. I always poured the broth on my rice when I was done. Yum!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Good grief!

Can't let this bullsh*t go unanswered:


Letting OBL go was in 1993 when the WTC was first bombed and Clinton did nothiong.

The perps in the first WTC bombing were hunted down, tried, convicted, and jailed. (What's Dim Son's excuse for letting the mastermind of the worst atatck on U.S. soil in history get away?)

The first WTC attack happened only one month after Poppy Bush left office, yet you didn't hear Clinton blaming Poppy.


Then OBL bombed the USS Cole and Clinton did nothing.

:bs:

Clinton sent the FBI (headed by Bin Laden expert John O'Neill) to Yemen to hunt for the perps. However, the then-Ambassador to Yemen (and longtime Bush family crony) Barbara Bodine blocked and thwarted the investigation at every turn. There was even evidence that Bodine was warned in advance of the Cole attack and failed to act (sound familiar?)

Then 2 US embasseies were bombed and Clinton did nothing. Then there was the us barrecks were bombed and you guessed Clinton did Did Nothing. Oh I forgot that Clinton did send a couple of cruise missiles toward OBL a couple of time. Bush took down to dicditorial governments. Your right Actions do speak loader that words.

:bs:

Clinton’s most public response, of course, were the cruise missile attacks of
1998, directed against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and the Sudan,
following the terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Operating on limited intelligence -- at that time, Pakistan, Uzbekistan and
Tazikistan refused to share information on the terrorists whereabouts inside
Afghanistan -- U. S. strikes missed bin Laden by only a couple of hours.

Even so, Clinton was accused of only firing missiles in order to divert media
attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign would have
stirred up even more criticism.

So Clinton tried another tack. He sponsored legislation to freeze the
financial assets of international organizations suspected of funneling
money to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network -- identical to orders given by
President Bush this month -- but it was killed, on behalf of big banks, by
Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas.

Those actions, we knew about. Others, we did not, until recently. Starting in
1998, for example, Clinton gave the CIA a green light to use whatever
covert means were necessary to gather information on Osama bin Laden
and his followers, and to disrupt and preempt any planned terrorist
activities against the United States.

As part of that effort, the CIA, under Clinton, trained and equipped some 60
commandos from Pakistan to enter Afghanistan and capture bin Laden.
The operation collapsed when Pakistan experienced a military coup and a
new government took over.

In 1998, Clinton also signed a secret agreement with Uzbekistan to begin
joint covert operations against Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan’s Taliban
regime. U.S. Special Forces have been training there ever since, which is
why the Pentagon was immediately able to use Uzbekistan as a staging
area for forays into Afghanistan.

Clinton targeted bin Laden even before he moved to Afghanistan. In 1996,
his administration brokered an agreement with the government of Sudan to
arrest the terrorist leader and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For 10 weeks,
Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to accept the offer. They refused. With
no cooperation from the Saudis, the deal fell apart.

Clinton sent counterterrorism and airport security measures to the house in 96, 97, 98, 99 and 2000. Everyone one was killed by the house Republicans without even bringing them up for debate. They were too busy being perverts, trying to look into the president's bedroom window.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

It has always been more important for the Bush folks to defeat the liberals
at home than the terrorists.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Errand is right. I remember when Nicaragua was ruled by the liberal loving Sandinistas who were all up in arms over the contras trying to take down the communist government. Now Nicaragua has one of the highest standards of living in central America. Same thing about Russia. Liberals loved that country and thought of it as a "paradise" for the working man. We all now how that ended up.

China? Can't tell you how often in Santa Fe I see t-shirts bearing the likeness of Moa Tse-Tung. The same man who killed millions of his own people.

For liberals, any enemy of America is their friend, its been proven time and time again and yet they sit there and say they are "patriotic" Americans. Just because you have bumper stickers that read "peace is patriotic" doesn't mean you are. If you have to quantify your "patriotism" that usually means you aren't. By the way what the hell does "peace is patriotic" mean anyway?

Sounds like someone is channelling Ann the Man.

(How else can you explain the foregoing litany of strangely familiar historical revisionism, disinformation and lies?)

[Hotrod]

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/06/front2453922.0965277776.html

"North Korea and Venezuela are discussing a strategic alliance motivated by a common goal — expanding anti-American forces.



During Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il in late July, the two countries are also expected to craft an oil-for-arms deal.
Venezuela's leader is most likely to fly to Pyongyang at the end of July on the occasion of his planned trip to Russia on July 25. Chavez told reporters that he plans to discuss science and technology cooperation with the North.

Analysts in Seoul say Kim and Chavez would mainly discuss forming a "strategic alliance" against the United States.

Ties between the two nations have been warming. Last September, Yang Hyoung-Sup, deputy head of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly, traveled to Venezuela, followed by an economic delegation's visit in November led by Trade Minister Rim Kyong-Man.

Venezuela set up its first-ever permanent ambassadorial post in Pyongyang in April, 32 years after bilateral ties were forged in 1974.

Venezuela's Foreign Ministry delegation traveled to the North in May. "North Korea is expected to establish its embassy in Venezuela in the near future," a diplomatic source said.

Chavez, who has promised a socialist revolution to end poverty in his country, is forging alliances with such U.S. foes as Cuba, Iran, North Korea and some African countries.

Since Chavez took office, the leftist government has been working to move away from the U.S. "shadow" and sell its oil in exchange for a military build up. Chavez was first elected president in 1998 and was re-elected in 2000.

Chavez claimed in September 2005 that the United States was preparing to attack North Korea, Iran and Venezuela. He has aggressively supported Iran's efforts to develop nuclear technology and has helped undermine the U.S. embargo of Cuba by increasing trade and providing oil to the communist island on favorable terms.

During the planned summit, Venezuela, the world's fifth-largest oil-rich country, is expected to offer energy resources to North Korea, which suffers from energy shortages after the United States halted heavy oil supplies following the North's admission of nuclear weapons programs.

In return, North Korea can offer conventional weapons and missiles to Venezuela, which is looking to fortify its military power."

Ding ding ding we have a winner. This thing is about to turn seriously ugly. I have friends who were lets just say put on a very high state of alert over the weekend and continue to remain there. Thats really all I can say. I obviously have no link.

[spdirty]

All I know is, I DO NOT want a hot war with those bastards.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Good grief!

Can't let this bullsh*t go unanswered:



The perps in the first WTC bombing were hunted down, tried, convicted, and jailed. (What's Dim Son's excuse for letting the mastermind of the worst atatck on U.S. soil in history get away?)

The first WTC attack happened only one month after Poppy Bush left office, yet you didn't hear Clinton blaming Poppy.



:bs:

Clinton sent the FBI (headed by Bin Laden expert John O'Neill) to Yemen to hunt for the perps. However, the then-Ambassador to Yemen (and longtime Bush family crony) Barbara Bodine blocked and thwarted the investigation at every turn. There was even evidence that Bodine was warned in advance of the Cole attack and failed to act (sound familiar?)



:bs:

Clinton’s most public response, of course, were the cruise missile attacks of
1998, directed against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and the Sudan,
following the terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Operating on limited intelligence -- at that time, Pakistan, Uzbekistan and
Tazikistan refused to share information on the terrorists whereabouts inside
Afghanistan -- U. S. strikes missed bin Laden by only a couple of hours.

Even so, Clinton was accused of only firing missiles in order to divert media
attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign would have
stirred up even more criticism.

So Clinton tried another tack. He sponsored legislation to freeze the
financial assets of international organizations suspected of funneling
money to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network -- identical to orders given by
President Bush this month -- but it was killed, on behalf of big banks, by
Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas.

Those actions, we knew about. Others, we did not, until recently. Starting in
1998, for example, Clinton gave the CIA a green light to use whatever
covert means were necessary to gather information on Osama bin Laden
and his followers, and to disrupt and preempt any planned terrorist
activities against the United States.

As part of that effort, the CIA, under Clinton, trained and equipped some 60
commandos from Pakistan to enter Afghanistan and capture bin Laden.
The operation collapsed when Pakistan experienced a military coup and a
new government took over.

In 1998, Clinton also signed a secret agreement with Uzbekistan to begin
joint covert operations against Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan’s Taliban
regime. U.S. Special Forces have been training there ever since, which is
why the Pentagon was immediately able to use Uzbekistan as a staging
area for forays into Afghanistan.

Clinton targeted bin Laden even before he moved to Afghanistan. In 1996,
his administration brokered an agreement with the government of Sudan to
arrest the terrorist leader and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For 10 weeks,
Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to accept the offer. They refused. With
no cooperation from the Saudis, the deal fell apart.

Clinton sent counterterrorism and airport security measures to the house in 96, 97, 98, 99 and 2000. Everyone one was killed by the house Republicans without even bringing them up for debate. They were too busy being perverts, trying to look into the president's bedroom window.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

It has always been more important for the Bush folks to defeat the liberals
at home than the terrorists.


I only have one thing to say to that last part. Clinton sent CIA, Bush sent the fricken army.

[Spider]

I only have one thing to say to that last part. Clinton sent CIA, Bush sent the fricken army.
well despite you being wrong on everything else ....... Nice come back

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I only have one thing to say to that last part. Clinton sent CIA, Bush sent the fricken army.

And who came closer to actually killing Bin Laden? Answer: Clinton.

Bush had Bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora and let him slip away.

At any rate, your premise is debatable insofar as different situations call for different remedies. "Sending the army" isn't always the most effective response, as Bush has demonstrated (unless "effective" = "failing to get Bin Laden" and "helping al Qaeda attract a lot of recruits and grow their organization.")

Clinton was trying to push through the same airport security measures that bush implemented after 9/11, but the republi-cons blocked him on account of opposition from the airlines.

In other words, if not for the house repugs, the 9/11 hijackers probably wouldn't have been able to carry out the attacks.

http://www.bartcop.com/dancing-w.gif

[cbs1177]

And who came closer to actually killing Bin Laden? Answer: Clinton.

Bush had Bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora and let him slip away.

At any rate, your premise is debatable insofar as different situations call for different remedies. "Sending the army" isn't always the most effective response, as Bush has demonstrated (unless "effective" = "failing to get Bin Laden" and "helping al Qaeda attract a lot of recruits and grow their organization.")

Clinton was trying to push through the same airport security measures that bush implemented after 9/11, but the republi-cons blocked him on account of opposition from the airlines.

In other words, if not for the house repugs, the 9/11 hijackers probably wouldn't have been able to carry out the attacks.

http://www.bartcop.com/dancing-w.gif


Now we see hindsight what personal decision do affect those around us. Clinton didn't have the military's or public's confidence I mean we were thinking WAG the Dog stuff at that time. I mean hindsight is okay but not helpful. Clinton could have been more effective if not for personal decisions he made. Of course I now realize he was an effective president but only wish he wasn't constantly caught up on personal scandals and then he could have been more effective.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Of course I now realize he was an effective president but only wish he wasn't constantly caught up on personal scandals and then he could have been more effective.

I would paraphrase all of the above by saying it would have been better if the house republicans, instead of wasting our time, energy, and resources probing into the president's sex life, had been probing into the whereabouts and activities of Bin Laden and al Qaeda.

[Spider]

Now we see hindsight what personal decision do affect those around us. Clinton didn't have the military's or public's confidence I mean we were thinking WAG the Dog stuff at that time. I mean hindsight is okay but not helpful. Clinton could have been more effective if not for personal decisions he made. Of course I now realize he was an effective president but only wish he wasn't constantly caught up on personal scandals and then he could have been more effective.
I was in Bush's corner 100% when he sent the Military in Afghanistan , that was a bold and powerfull move and it was just .......If Bush had finished up there , would still be in his corner to a point .......I thought the entire Clinton scandle was funny as hell , but I didnt think the house republicans would cripple our country on a vendetta , but they did ....... Now Dems are weak kneed over Iraq , only a couple stood up and said Iraq was wrong ........

[cbs1177]

I would paraphrase all of the above by saying it would have been better if the house republicans, instead of wasting our time, energy, and resources probing into the president's sex life, had been probing into the whereabouts and activities of Bin Laden and al Qaeda.

According to Madam Secretary Madeleine Albright Clinton was on the cusp of catching Bin Laden. Of course the lesson learn is our action affect those around us. We as Americans I included were a little naive about the threat against us. Most didn't think it was possible such a scale of attacks on our own soil. Even you LaBF were surprised or taken aback were you not on 9-11.

[Spider]

According to Madam Secretary Madeleine Albright Clinton was on the cusp of catching Bin Laden. Of course the lesson learn is our action affect those around us. We as Americans I included were a little naive about the threat against us. Most didn't think it was possible such a scale of attacks on our own soil. Even you LaBF were surprised or taken aback were you not on 9-11.
I was taken back, I thought with the speed that the bombers in 93 was caught , we was on top of things ........ Bush was lax on terror , I think Clinton tried to keep the threat hidden from us and deal with covert style ........ both are a disservice ......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Even you LaBF were surprised or taken aback were you not on 9-11.

That's putting it mildly. :D

But I was even more taken aback when I learned of Bush's foreknowledge of the attacks and failure to take any action.

[cbs1177]

I was taken back, I thought with the speed that the bombers in 93 was caught , we was on top of things ........ Bush was lax on terror , I think Clinton tried to keep the threat hidden from us and deal with covert style ........ both are a disservice ......

i think he didn't want to cause a panic espcially in the stock market which under his watch had enjoyed unknown growth.
actually guaging americans at that time we chalked it up the 93 wtc bombing as a Oklhoma bombing and waco we quickly forgot about it and turn to OJ court trama for our fix.

[cbs1177]

That's putting it mildly. :D

But I was even more taken aback when I learned of Bush's foreknowledge of the attacks and failure to take any action.

I remember sitting in my living room in shock and scared silly espcially when the pentagon was hit. I couldn't move from the couch watching cnn. I was thankful my friend came over that day or else I would not have reacted so calmly. Even after reading Albrights book I believe Clinton's team tried to forge a signal about bin laden and his capabilites. Like I said it is all hindsight now. Clinton by his own personal actions hindered the public's attentativeness about terrorism.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Clinton by his own personal actions hindered the public's attentativeness about terrorism.

The republican fishing expediton whose goal was to find a reason to impeach Clinton and which began long before anyone ever heard the name "Monica" was what hindered attentiveness to terrorism and to much of the rest of the nation's business.

Clearly, getting Clinton (by whatever means necessary) was a much higher priority for the republi-cons than getting Bin Laden or al Qaeda.

In fact, as I have shown, the republicans stepped on Clinton's d*ck in his every attempt to protect America from terrorism.

[cbs1177]

The republican fishing expediton whose goal was to find a reason to impeach Clinton and which began long before anyone ever heard the name "Monica" was what hindered attentiveness to terrorism and to much of the rest of the nation's business.

Clearly, getting Clinton (by whatever means necessary) was a much higher priority for the republi-cons than getting Bin Laden or al Qaeda.

In fact, as I have shown, the republicans stepped on Clinton's d*ck in his every attempt to protect America from terrorism.

Of course we in Arkansas ignored that fact we always knew he was a womanizer. I mean of course his woman tended to be in bad taste. I mean puala jones with that huge nose. monica on the hefty side. Anyhow we never raised it as an issue here in arkansas. Clinton from the first day in office never really had the militaries respect. Clinton and Bush did have intelligence but I feel as if they felt it has never happened before so why now.

[ClevelandBronco]

And who came closer to actually killing Bin Laden? Answer: Clinton.

It was only a matter of time before we started puffing out our chests about which side came closer to killing a turd who's still alive. (Okay, allegedly still alive, amesj...)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Of course we in Arkansas ignored that fact we always knew he was a womanizer.

People can think whatever they want to think about this, but it doesn't have anything to do with the nation's business.

When I board an airplane, I don't want to know who the pilot is diddling - I just want to know if he can fly the friggin' plane.

Clinton from the first day in office never really had the militaries respect.

This is sort of a generalization. There are a lot of Americans serving in the military. Some liked him, some did not. In any event, it's ironic that the same element who accused him of being a "draft dodger" give GeeDubya, a man who went out of his way to avoid Viet Nam and who deserted his cushy ANG unit during wartime, a free pass.


Clinton and Bush did have intelligence but I feel as if they felt it has never happened before so why now.

But it did happen before - at the same location in 1993 (one month after Pappy Bush left office.)

When Dim Son was warned by the outgoing Clinton administration that Bin Laden should be his #1 priority, what did he do? He sh*t-canned all of Clinton's CT apparatus and replaced it with NOTHING. Dick Cheney was tasked with creating a new CT task force. This task force NEVER MET ONCE prior to 9/11 (I guess Deadeye Dick was too busy with those secret, closed-door energy policy meetings with Ken Lay, et al.)

Under Clinton, CT was the DOJ's #1 funding priority.

Under Ashcroft's DOJ, CT wasn't even on the list (I guess Crisco Johnny was too busy cloaking nude statues and important sh*t like that.)

It's all about priorities: Clinton was focused on terrorism - the GOP was focused on Clinton's johnson.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Good grief!

Can't let this bullsh*t go unanswered:



The perps in the first WTC bombing were hunted down, tried, convicted, and jailed. (What's Dim Son's excuse for letting the mastermind of the worst atatck on U.S. soil in history get away?)

The first WTC attack happened only one month after Poppy Bush left office, yet you didn't hear Clinton blaming Poppy.



:bs:

Clinton sent the FBI (headed by Bin Laden expert John O'Neill) to Yemen to hunt for the perps. However, the then-Ambassador to Yemen (and longtime Bush family crony) Barbara Bodine blocked and thwarted the investigation at every turn. There was even evidence that Bodine was warned in advance of the Cole attack and failed to act (sound familiar?)



:bs:

Clinton’s most public response, of course, were the cruise missile attacks of
1998, directed against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and the Sudan,
following the terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Operating on limited intelligence -- at that time, Pakistan, Uzbekistan and
Tazikistan refused to share information on the terrorists whereabouts inside
Afghanistan -- U. S. strikes missed bin Laden by only a couple of hours.

Even so, Clinton was accused of only firing missiles in order to divert media
attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign would have
stirred up even more criticism.

So Clinton tried another tack. He sponsored legislation to freeze the
financial assets of international organizations suspected of funneling
money to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network -- identical to orders given by
President Bush this month -- but it was killed, on behalf of big banks, by
Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas.

Those actions, we knew about. Others, we did not, until recently. Starting in
1998, for example, Clinton gave the CIA a green light to use whatever
covert means were necessary to gather information on Osama bin Laden
and his followers, and to disrupt and preempt any planned terrorist
activities against the United States.

As part of that effort, the CIA, under Clinton, trained and equipped some 60
commandos from Pakistan to enter Afghanistan and capture bin Laden.
The operation collapsed when Pakistan experienced a military coup and a
new government took over.

In 1998, Clinton also signed a secret agreement with Uzbekistan to begin
joint covert operations against Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan’s Taliban
regime. U.S. Special Forces have been training there ever since, which is
why the Pentagon was immediately able to use Uzbekistan as a staging
area for forays into Afghanistan.

Clinton targeted bin Laden even before he moved to Afghanistan. In 1996,
his administration brokered an agreement with the government of Sudan to
arrest the terrorist leader and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For 10 weeks,
Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to accept the offer. They refused. With
no cooperation from the Saudis, the deal fell apart.

Clinton sent counterterrorism and airport security measures to the house in 96, 97, 98, 99 and 2000. Everyone one was killed by the house Republicans without even bringing them up for debate. They were too busy being perverts, trying to look into the president's bedroom window.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

It has always been more important for the Bush folks to defeat the liberals
at home than the terrorists.


Alright Spider you want me to take apart this crap I will.

Good grief!

Can't let this bullsh*t go unanswered:



The perps in the first WTC bombing were hunted down, tried, convicted, and jailed. (What's Dim Son's excuse for letting the mastermind of the worst atatck on U.S. soil in history get away?).

Who funded this cell? OBL. You can google it. It is the first time that OBL is brought to public knowledge.

The first WTC attack happened only one month after Poppy Bush left office, yet you didn't hear Clinton blaming Poppy.

Are you kidding me the first thing that Clinton did was blame Bush Sr.

Clinton sent the FBI (headed by Bin Laden expert John O'Neill) to Yemen to hunt for the perps. However, the then-Ambassador to Yemen (and longtime Bush family crony) Barbara Bodine blocked and thwarted the investigation at every turn. There was even evidence that Bodine was warned in advance of the Cole attack and failed to act (sound familiar?).

Did you know that ambassadors are apointed by the president. If Bodine was doing anything that Clinton did like she would have been replaced.

Clinton’s most public response, of course, were the cruise missile attacks of
1998, directed against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and the Sudan,
following the terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

By your own qoute Clinton waited 5 years before doing anything. And in that time he was able to attack us 2 more times.


Even so, Clinton was accused of only firing missiles in order to divert media
attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign would have
stirred up even more criticism..

How's fault is that . Is he not a an adult. Can he not control himself?



Clinton sent counterterrorism and airport security measures to the house in 96, 97, 98, 99 and 2000. Everyone one was killed by the house Republicans without even bringing them up for debate. They were too busy being perverts, trying to look into the president's bedroom window.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

It has always been more important for the Bush folks to defeat the liberals
at home than the terrorists.

You can blame republicans all you want, but isn't the responsablity of the president to bring people together if it is something you really want? Look at the judges that were pass to the Supream Court. Bush was able to get a few Dems to come over to the other side. Why couldn'y Clinton get it done. Don't forget the republicans didn't take over until '95 and the attack was in '93 so he had 2 years when he had both the House and Senate.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Who funded this cell? OBL. You can google it. It is the first time that OBL is brought to public knowledge.

No sh_t.

But how does this disprove my point that the perps were caught?

(Which, in turn, disproves your claim that Clinton "did nothing" in response to the first WTC bombing.)

Are you kidding me the first thing that Clinton did was blame Bush Sr.

:bs:

When? Quotes, please.

Did you know that ambassadors are apointed by the president. If Bodine was doing anything that Clinton did like she would have been replaced.

So you are denying that Bodine thwarted the FBI's investigation of the Cole bombing, then?

Man, are you ever behind the info curve.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/etc/cron2.html

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-1117


By your own qoute Clinton waited 5 years before doing anything. And in that time he was able to attack us 2 more times.

Wrong. Now you have resorted to misquoting me. I didn't say Clinton "waited 7 years before doing anything." I said that the cruise missle attacks were his most public action.

I also specified all the years in which the house republicans shot down Clinton's CT legislation, among many other things.

How's fault is that . Is he not a an adult. Can he not control himself?

Again you miss the point.

The point is that the GOP was more interested in its fishing expedition inside Clinton's zipper than the whereabouts and activities of Bin Laden (such that every attempt by Clinton to go after Bin Laden was denounced as "wag the dog" by the repukes.)

You can blame republicans all you want, but isn't the responsablity of the president to bring people together if it is something you really want? Look at the judges that were pass to the Supream Court. Bush was able to get a few Dems to come over to the other side. Why couldn'y Clinton get it done. Don't forget the republicans didn't take over until '95 and the attack was in '93 so he had 2 years when he had both the House and Senate.

WTF does any of this have to do with the fact that the house republicans continually shot down Clinton's CT legislation?

I expected more than this kind of deflection from you.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Reuters is reporting in the English language Malaysia Star that US ships monitoring the missile launch believe it was headed towards waters near Hawaii.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/7/7/worldupdates/2006-07-07T053653Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-258540-1&sec=Worldupdates

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

October 14-November, 2000: Investigation Into USS Cole Bombing Is Thwarted

FBI agent John O’Neill and his team of 200 FBI investigators enter Yemen two days after the bombing of the USS Cole in an attempt to discover who was responsible. However, they are unable to accomplish much due to restrictions placed on them and due to tensions between O’Neill and US Ambassador to Yemen Barbara Bodine. All but about 50 investigators are forced to leave by the end of October. Even though O’Neill’s boss visits and finds that Bodine is O’Neill’s “only detractor,” O’Neill and much of his team are forced to leave in November, and the investigation stalls without his personal relationships to top Yemeni officials. [New Yorker, 1/14/2002; Sunday Times (London), 2/3/2002; Miller, Stone, and Mitchell, 2002, pp. 237] Increased security threats force the reduced FBI team still in Yemen to withdraw altogether in June 2001. [PBS Frontline, 10/3/2002] The Prime Minister of Yemen at the time later claims that hijacker “Khalid Almihdhar was one of the Cole perpetrators, involved in preparations. He was in Yemen at the time and stayed after the Cole bombing for a while, then he left.” [Guardian, 10/15/2001] The Sunday Times later notes, “The failure in Yemen may have blocked off lines of investigation that could have led directly to the terrorists preparing for September 11.” [Sunday Times (London), 2/3/2002]

People and organizations involved: Khalid Almihdhar, Barbara Bodine, Federal Bureau of Investigation, John O'Neill, USS Cole

August 22, 2001: O’Neill Quits FBI in Frustration; Misses Important Warnings

Counterterrorism expert John O’Neill resigns from the FBI. He says it is partly because of the recent power play against him, but also because of repeated obstruction of his investigations into al-Qaeda. [New Yorker, 1/14/2002] In his last act, he signs papers ordering FBI investigators back to Yemen to resume the USS Cole investigation, now that Barbara Bodine is leaving as ambassador (they arrive a couple days before 9/11). He never hears the CIA warning about hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar sent out just one day later. He also apparently is not told about the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui on August 15, 2001 [PBS, 10/3/2002] ; nor does he attend a June meeting when the CIA reveals some of what it knows about Alhazmi and Almihdhar. [PBS Frontline, 10/3/2002] The FBI New York office eventually hears of Walid Arkeh’s warning that the WTC would be attacked, but presumably not in time for O’Neill to hear it.

People and organizations involved: Nawaf Alhazmi, Federal Bureau of Investigation, al-Qaeda, Walid Arkeh, Khalid Almihdhar, Ken Williams, Barbara Bodine, John O'Neill, USS Cole, Central Intelligence Agency, Zacarias Moussaoui

January 10, 2003: Government Employees Responsible for 9/11 Failures Are Promoted

FBI Director Mueller personally awards Marion (Spike) Bowman with a presidential citation and cash bonus of approximately 25 percent of his salary. [Salon, 3/3/2003] Bowman, head of the FBI’s National Security Law Unit and the person who refused to seek a special warrant for a search of Zacarias Moussaoui’s belongings before the 9/11 attacks, is among nine recipients of bureau awards for “exceptional performance.” The award comes shortly after a 9/11 Congressional Inquiry report saying Bowman’s unit gave Minneapolis FBI agents “inexcusably confused and inaccurate information” that was “patently false.” [Star-Tribune (Minneapolis), 12/22/2002] Bowman’s unit also blocked an urgent request by FBI agents to begin searching for Khalid Almihdhar after his name was put on a watch list. In early 2000, the FBI acknowledged serious blunders in surveillance Bowman’s unit conducted during sensitive terrorism and espionage investigations, including agents who illegally videotaped suspects, intercepted e-mails without court permission, and recorded the wrong phone conversations. [Associated Press, 1/10/2003] As Senator Charles Grassley (R) and others have pointed out, not only has no one in government been fired or punished for 9/11, but several others have been promoted:
bullet Pasquale D’Amuro, the FBI’s counterterrorism chief in New York City before 9/11, is promoted to the bureau’s top counterterrorism post. [Time, 12/30/2002] bullet FBI Supervisory special agent Michael Maltbie, who removed information from the Minnesota FBI’s application to get the search warrant for Moussaoui, is promoted to field supervisor. [Salon, 3/3/2003]
bullet David Frasca, head of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit, is “still at headquarters,” Grassley notes. [Salon, 3/3/2003] Frasca received the Phoenix memo warning al-Qaeda terrorists could use flight schools inside the US, and then a few weeks later he received the request for Moussaoui’s search warrant. “The Phoenix memo was buried; the Moussaoui warrant request was denied.” [Time, 5/27/2002] Even after 9/11, Frasca continued to “[throw] up roadblocks” in the Moussaoui case. [New York Times, 5/27/2002]
bullet President Bush later names Barbara Bodine the director of Central Iraq shortly after the US conquest of Iraq. Many in government are upset about the appointment because of her blocking of the USS Cole investigation, which some say could have uncovered the 9/11 plot. She failed to admit she was wrong or apologize. [Washington Times, 4/10/2003] However, she is fired after about a month, apparently for doing a poor job.
bullet An FBI official who tolerates penetration of the translation department by Turkish spies and encourages slow translations just after 9/11 is promoted (see March 22, 2002). [CBS News, 10/25/2002] The CIA has promoted two unnamed top leaders of its unit responsible for tracking al-Qaeda in 2000 even though the unit mistakenly failed to put the two suspected terrorists on the watch list (see August 23, 2001). “The leaders were promoted even though some people in the intelligence community and in Congress say the counterterrorism unit they ran bore some responsibility for waiting until August 2001 to put the suspect pair on the interagency watch list.” CIA Director Tenet has failed to fulfill a promise given to Congress in late 2002 that he would name the CIA officials responsible for 9/11 failures. [New York Times, 5/15/2003]

People and organizations involved: Khalid Almihdhar, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Pasquale D'Amuro, Charles Grassley, David Frasca, Robert S. Mueller III, George W. Bush, Michael Maltbie, Central Intelligence Agency, Barbara Bodine, Marion ("Spike") Bowman

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=barbara+bodine&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Reuters is reporting in the English language Malaysia Star that US ships monitoring the missile launch believe it was headed towards waters near Hawaii.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/7/7/worldupdates/2006-07-07T053653Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-258540-1&sec=Worldupdates

First, Bush invaded a country that was no threat to America based on false claims that said country possessed WMD.

Now, here's another country that is a threat, does have WMD (and an evil dictator to boot) and Bush is stumped about what to do.

Talk about irony.

[Spider]

Alright Spider you want me to take apart this crap I will.



Who funded this cell? OBL. You can google it. It is the first time that OBL is brought to public knowledge.



Are you kidding me the first thing that Clinton did was blame Bush Sr.



Did you know that ambassadors are apointed by the president. If Bodine was doing anything that Clinton did like she would have been replaced.



By your own qoute Clinton waited 5 years before doing anything. And in that time he was able to attack us 2 more times.



How's fault is that . Is he not a an adult. Can he not control himself?




You can blame republicans all you want, but isn't the responsablity of the president to bring people together if it is something you really want? Look at the judges that were pass to the Supream Court. Bush was able to get a few Dems to come over to the other side. Why couldn'y Clinton get it done. Don't forget the republicans didn't take over until '95 and the attack was in '93 so he had 2 years when he had both the House and Senate.

eh?

[Cito Pelon]

Good grief!

Can't let this bullsh*t go unanswered:



The perps in the first WTC bombing were hunted down, tried, convicted, and jailed. (What's Dim Son's excuse for letting the mastermind of the worst atatck on U.S. soil in history get away?)

The first WTC attack happened only one month after Poppy Bush left office, yet you didn't hear Clinton blaming Poppy.



:bs:

Clinton sent the FBI (headed by Bin Laden expert John O'Neill) to Yemen to hunt for the perps. However, the then-Ambassador to Yemen (and longtime Bush family crony) Barbara Bodine blocked and thwarted the investigation at every turn. There was even evidence that Bodine was warned in advance of the Cole attack and failed to act (sound familiar?)



:bs:

Clinton’s most public response, of course, were the cruise missile attacks of
1998, directed against Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and the Sudan,
following the terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Operating on limited intelligence -- at that time, Pakistan, Uzbekistan and
Tazikistan refused to share information on the terrorists whereabouts inside
Afghanistan -- U. S. strikes missed bin Laden by only a couple of hours.

Even so, Clinton was accused of only firing missiles in order to divert media
attention from the Lewinsky hearings. A longer campaign would have
stirred up even more criticism.

So Clinton tried another tack. He sponsored legislation to freeze the
financial assets of international organizations suspected of funneling
money to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network -- identical to orders given by
President Bush this month -- but it was killed, on behalf of big banks, by
Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas.

Those actions, we knew about. Others, we did not, until recently. Starting in
1998, for example, Clinton gave the CIA a green light to use whatever
covert means were necessary to gather information on Osama bin Laden
and his followers, and to disrupt and preempt any planned terrorist
activities against the United States.

As part of that effort, the CIA, under Clinton, trained and equipped some 60
commandos from Pakistan to enter Afghanistan and capture bin Laden.
The operation collapsed when Pakistan experienced a military coup and a
new government took over.

In 1998, Clinton also signed a secret agreement with Uzbekistan to begin
joint covert operations against Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan’s Taliban
regime. U.S. Special Forces have been training there ever since, which is
why the Pentagon was immediately able to use Uzbekistan as a staging
area for forays into Afghanistan.

Clinton targeted bin Laden even before he moved to Afghanistan. In 1996,
his administration brokered an agreement with the government of Sudan to
arrest the terrorist leader and turn him over to Saudi Arabia. For 10 weeks,
Clinton tried to persuade the Saudis to accept the offer. They refused. With
no cooperation from the Saudis, the deal fell apart.

Clinton sent counterterrorism and airport security measures to the house in 96, 97, 98, 99 and 2000. Everyone one was killed by the house Republicans without even bringing them up for debate. They were too busy being perverts, trying to look into the president's bedroom window.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

It has always been more important for the Bush folks to defeat the liberals
at home than the terrorists.

That was a pretty good reexamination.