Golic and Salisbury make me want to puke...

[bpc]

I swear, if we didn't have our Stinky on ESPN homering for our team, we wouldn't get any respect.

Anyways, those idiots on the ESPN NFL show picked Denver to win the AFC West and then lose to Kansas City IN DENVER... in the wild card round next season. KC has beaten us a total of what... two times there in the past 20 seasons there? Give me a break.

As Sean put... "KC has a better QB, HB and defense." LMAOROTF! Insanity. Didn't they have all of that last year when we ran away with the division going 13-3?

I guess picking the Chiefs to win the super bowl a couple of years ago has quieted Salisbury or Jaws... some people are a glutton for punishment.

[Sassy]

Doesn't matter...we do better as an "underdog".

[BroncoMan4ever]

Better defense?(that is freaking hilarious.) I swear to god a descent high school football team could light it up againt the chiefs D.

[Northman]

I swear, if we didn't have our Stinky on ESPN homering for our team, we wouldn't get any respect.

Anyways, those idiots on the ESPN NFL show picked Denver to win the AFC West and then lose to Kansas City IN DENVER... in the wild card round next season. KC has beaten us a total of what... two times there in the past 20 seasons there? Give me a break.

As Sean put... "KC has a better QB, HB and defense." LMAOROTF! Insanity. Didn't they have all of that last year when we ran away with the division going 13-3?

I guess picking the Chiefs to win the super bowl a couple of years ago has quieted Salisbury or Jaws... some people are a glutton for punishment.





That is funny, i was watching another show with them and they did the NFL Total Rankings and they ( Sals, Stink, Golic ) ranked K.C 19th, and Denver 10th. Yet two of the bozos are going to say we lose on our turf to K.C? oh my.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Better defense?(that is freaking hilarious.) I swear to god a descent high school football team could light it up againt the chiefs D.

Not true. You folks need to come to terms with the reality that the Chiefs defense is much improved. It started last year, and it's going to continue this year.

[elsid13]

Exactly where are they better in the defense??? Must be the fact that Herm is a better coach then Shanahan

[spdirty]

Dude, I really hope that KC is picked by all the experts to win the division this year...just like last year. Its always funny watching those inbreds boast about how "this is the year!!!" right before either another mediocre season or a one and done playoff trip.

[Northman]

Not true. You folks need to come to terms with the reality that the Chiefs defense is much improved. It started last year, and it's going to continue this year.


We've been hearing that for 6 years running. And again you'll be wallowing in your sorrow as you guys miss yet another playoff appearance.

[Clockwork Orange]

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[Gcver2ver3]

Why in the world would they pick us to win the division and KC as the wild card just to have KC win IN DENVER in the 1st playoff game?

What kind of sense does that make? They rank us higher...they have us with the better record but we lose IN DENVER to them? That's idiotic.

If they believed KC was better than obviously they should have picked them to win the division.

I'm actually IMPRESSED by that level of stupidity.

[GreatBronco16]

Not true. You folks need to come to terms with the reality that the Chiefs defense is much improved. It started last year, and it's going to continue this year.

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

Where to begin with this idiotic nonsense.....

[Sarcastro]

We've been hearing that for 6 years running. And again you'll be wallowing in your sorrow as you guys miss yet another playoff appearance.

Areas where KC improved in defense last season: total defense, scoring defense, rush defense, third down defense, pass defense, redzone defense, and more turnovers. The only area where we took a step back was sacks/pass rush.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why in the world would they pick us to win the division and KC as the wild card just to have KC win IN DENVER in the 1st playoff game?.

It happened in 1997 the other way around. You didn't see anything wrong with that.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Exactly where are they better in the defense??? Must be the fact that Herm is a better coach then Shanahan

Better than Vermeil when it comes to defense, anyway.

And we improved last year, significantly. We've got a nice group of young players.

[GreatBronco16]

Areas where KC improved in defense last season: total defense, scoring defense, rush defense, third down defense, pass defense, redzone defense, and more turnovers. The only area where we took a step back was sacks/pass rush.

Was it 'improved' or 'Much improved'???

Ofcourse the defense was improved, it really had nowhere else to go but up. But was it a big time improvement as some like to claim? My answer is no.

[Sarcastro]

Was it 'improved' or 'Much improved'???

Ofcourse the defense was improved, it really had nowhere else to go but up. But was it a big time improvement as some like to claim? My answer is no.

Is going from giving up 27 ppg to 20 ppg a big improvement?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

Where to begin with this idiotic nonsense.....

What exactly is so idiotic about it? Take off the homer glasses. There is clear, indisputable evidence that we improved last year.

[GreatBronco16]

Is going from giving up 27 ppg to 20 ppg a big improvement?

Not in my eyes. That's just a TD and extra point a game. Esp when your offense went from 30.2 ppg to 25.2 ppg.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Not in my eyes. That's just a TD and extra point a game. Esp when your offense went from 30.2 ppg to 25.2 ppg.

So...if we go from 20 to 13, does our defense still suck?

[Gcver2ver3]

It happened in 1997 the other way around. You didn't see anything wrong with that.



if it happens it happens....but no one PREDICTS that kind of foolishness...

if they think KC is good enough to beat us in Denver in the playoffs then they should've picked KC to win the division....

even you gotta admit that makes zero sense......

[Kaylore]

So...if we go from 20 to 13, does our defense still suck?
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[GreatBronco16]

So...if we go from 20 to 13, does our defense still suck?


Would going from 100 to 93 justify a great improvement? No it wouldn't.

Giving up over 20 points a game in the NFL is not great, nor very good. It borders mediocre.

But regardless, your defense will not average giving up 13 points a game. So keep on dreaming about that.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think going from 27 to 20 is a pretty big improvement.

Seattle went from 23.3 to 16.9.

Indianapolis went from 21.9 to 15.4

Chicago went from 20.7 to 12.6

Those teams had the biggest improvements in scoring defense from 2004 to 2005. So yes, it IS a big improvement. I think you are wrong.

[GreatBronco16]

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But they have the great Herman Edwards as their HC now. The defense in KC will be top 3 in every catagory all thanks to him.

[GreatBronco16]

I think going from 27 to 20 is a pretty big improvement.

Seattle went from 23.3 to 16.9.

Indianapolis went from 21.9 to 15.4

Chicago went from 20.7 to 12.6

Those teams had the biggest improvements in scoring defense from 2004 to 2005. So yes, it IS a big improvement. I think you are wrong.


There is a big difference between giving up 12 or 15 points in a game than 20. You're only looking at the actual drop off number and thinking that going from 27 to 20 is somehow just as good as going from 21 to 15.

[Sarcastro]

Not in my eyes. That's just a TD and extra point a game. Esp when your offense went from 30.2 ppg to 25.2 ppg.

Just a TD + EP a game is not a big improvement? Way to homer it up.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Improved or not, why would anyone come out and say that the KC defense is better than Denver's? I see nothing supporting that.

[Gcver2ver3]

Just the fact that salisbury said KC wins because of a them having a better defense than denver pretty much sums up all we need to know about salisbury....


Wow......

[Sarcastro]

There is a big difference between giving up 12 or 15 points in a game than 20. You're only looking at the actual drop off number and thinking that going from 27 to 20 is somehow just as good as going from 21 to 15.

Seven is actually a higher number then six. Use your fingers to count it out GB16. You can do this.

[Sarcastro]

Improved or not, why would anyone come out and say that the KC defense is better than Denver's? I see nothing supporting that.

Me either. I think we all know that Salisbury is a dumbass.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

There is a big difference between giving up 12 or 15 points in a game than 20. You're only looking at the actual drop off number and thinking that going from 27 to 20 is somehow just as good as going from 21 to 15.

So we can only sit here and say a defense improves significantly if it gets below 20 points? Poppycock.

I am not saying the Chiefs defense was awesome or anything last year, but they did have a big improvement. They went from horrible to average. I think that is a good improvement. They will only continue to get better this year, and I expect them under 20 points.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Improved or not, why would anyone come out and say that the KC defense is better than Denver's? I see nothing supporting that.

Maybe they just feel that this is the year KC finally gets that defense?

It's not like you guys did much of anything to improve your defense this offseason. We have a number one draft pick manning the defensive line and completely overhauled our defensive coaching staff.

[Sarcastro]

So we can only sit here and say a defense improves significantly if it gets below 20 points? Poppycock.

I am not saying the Chiefs defense was awesome or anything last year, but they did have a big improvement. They went from horrible to average. I think that is a good improvement. They will only continue to get better this year, and I expect them under 20 points.

Improvement only counts if you are one of the top five defenses in the league!!

[youcandoit1687]

We've got a nice group of young players.

did your grandma tell you that? o theyre just such nice young men. BS, a sign of a good defense(in most cases, specifically with your O) is when their team can win and do things like win with 20 and 30 points from their own O.

[Gcver2ver3]

Maybe they just feel that this is the year KC finally gets that defense?

It's not like you guys did much of anything to improve your defense this offseason. We have a number one draft pick manning the defensive line and completely overhauled our defensive coaching staff.



Are you implying that KC's defense will be better than Denver's this year?

(please say yes...Ha! )

[Bob's your Information Minister]

did your grandma tell you that? o theyre just such nice young men. BS, a sign of a good defense(in most cases, specifically with your O) is when their team can win and do things like win with 20 and 30 points from their own O.

Well, let's see...we won 10 games last year.

We scored 20 or more points 13 times. We won 10 of those games.

I guess we meet all your criteria!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Are you implying that KC's defense will be better than Denver's this year?

(please say yes...Ha! )

No one can really say who is going to be better this year. It could be either team. There was not an enormous difference last year.

[Gcver2ver3]

No one can really say who is going to be better this year.


I can......

[elsid13]

Let put simply a good defense give up about 17 or less points a game. That it. If a team defense can hold to a team to that amount your team going to win most of its game. Everything else rushing yards allowed, sacks, etc are just leading indicators and shouldn't be overvalued.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Let put simply a good defense give up about 17 or less points a game.

OK. Are you willing to concede that the Chiefs might be able to do that? Go from 20 to 17?

[shakenbake]

I just cant believe in the Broncos unless its validated by salisbury. He knows so much more than anyone else and is rarley wrong. I guess we may as well not play the games since we already know the outcome.

[elsid13]

OK. Are you willing to concede that the Chiefs might be able to do that? Go from 20 to 17?


Bobo they are professionals, if thing work out right then they like every team in the leagues has the opportunity to do that. But I seriously doubt that your secondary is strong enough to do that, especial with Gunther attack the QB at all cost philosophy.

[gunns]

Why in the world would they pick us to win the division and KC as the wild card just to have KC win IN DENVER in the 1st playoff game?

What kind of sense does that make? They rank us higher...they have us with the better record but we lose IN DENVER to them? That's idiotic.

If they believed KC was better than obviously they should have picked them to win the division.

I'm actually IMPRESSED by that level of stupidity.

Well, going from previous season's postings by Chief fans, it takes a while for the defense to get in sync, you know, with all the new defensive players they picked up. So I'm sure this year it'll take all that time for the defensive players and all the new defensive players to get in sync PLUS they have to get in sync with Herm, a double whammy. Do you know there are some Chief fans that are still waiting for them to get in sync??? And there are all kinds of excuses as to why they still haven't.

But this is THE YEAR, I'm sure. :wiggle:

[Gcver2ver3]

OK. Are you willing to concede that the Chiefs might be able to do that? Go from 20 to 17?



When they learn to keep Tiki Barber from looking like Bo Jackson.....

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[elsid13]

Well, going from previous season's postings by Chief fans, it takes a while for the defense to get in sync, you know, with all the new defensive players they picked up. So I'm sure this year it'll take all that time for the defensive players and all the new defensive players to get in sync PLUS they have to get in sync with Herm, a double whammy. Do you know there are some Chief fans that are still waiting for them to get in sync??? And there are all kinds of excuses as to why they still haven't.

But this is THE YEAR, I'm sure. :wiggle:


I just can not wait for Herm and Gunther with very different defense theory go at it. Wonder which coach the players are going to follow???

[shakenbake]

Bob, do you think they loose a little on Offense this year?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I just can not wait for Herm and Gunther with very different defense theory go at it. Wonder which coach the players are going to follow???

Herm and Gunther have very similar defensive philosophies.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob, do you think they loose a little on Offense this year?

No. LJ wasn't even the starter for a full 16 games last year.

[Gcver2ver3]

No. LJ wasn't even the starter for a full 16 games last year.



offensively i think you'll still be fine....many people criticize your age but i don't think that's an issue just yet.....

Larry Johnson will run for 2000 yds this year...barring injury....

but defensively...nothings changed...at least not enough to propel you guys to a top 10 defense....

[Bob's your Information Minister]

but defensively...nothings changed...at least not enough to propel you guys to a top 10 defense....

I think bringing in a defensive minded head coach is going to do wonders. And so will overhauling the defensive staff.

And then there's Hali. A definite change.

[elsid13]

Herm and Gunther have very similar defensive philosophies.

Bobo they doen't.

Gunter has attacking style 4-3. While Herm prefers the TB cover 2 base defense.

[Gcver2ver3]

I think bringing in a defensive minded head coach is going to do wonders. And so will overhauling the defensive staff.

And then there's Hali. A definite change.


It takes more than a defensive "mind"

it takes personnel..............

i know you believe you have the personnel...but trust me.....

you don't

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bobo they doen't.

Gunter has attacking style 4-3. While Herm prefers the TB cover 2 base defense.

The Chiefs ran some cover 2 last year. Obviously Herm is bringing more of that to the scheme.

Herm wouldn't have hired Gunther if they didn't see eye-to-eye.

[azbroncfan]

The only way chefs D improves is if herm actually suits up for them.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It takes more than a defensive "mind"

it takes personnel..............

i know you believe you have the personnel...but trust me.....

you don't

I think our personnel is fine. We're weak at defensive tackle but I'm confident that someone will emerge.

All the other positions look good to me. I'm concerned about Lenny Walls being a starter, but it's not like he hasn't played well at that spot before. And we may still sign Ty Law.

[Gcver2ver3]

I think our personnel is fine. We're weak at defensive tackle but I'm confident that someone will emerge.

All the other positions look good to me. I'm concerned about Lenny Walls being a starter, but it's not like he hasn't played well at that spot before. And we may still sign Ty Law.


Do not drink the Lenny Walls Kool-aid!!!!!!!.....


you have been warned

now if you sign ty law...that would give you quite the corner tandem....

you'll need it trying to cover smith and walker

[elsid13]

The Chiefs ran some cover 2 last year. Obviously Herm is bringing more of that to the scheme.

Herm wouldn't have hired Gunther if they didn't see eye-to-eye.


But see to run effective cover 2 you need a fast MLB to get deep, and cover that play off the ball. Surtain strength is ability to jam WR and play man, now your asking to lay off in a zone. Plus a weak side LB to make plays.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

But see to run effective cover 2 you need a fast MLB to get deep, and cover that play off the ball.

We have one.


Surtain strength is ability to jam WR and play man, now your asking to lay off in a zone.

He can play zone quite well.


Plus a weak side LB to make plays.

Well, Derrick Johnson is just fine on the strongside. I think Keyaron Fox is going to step up on the weakside. He's very athletic.

[Sarcastro]

But see to run effective cover 2 you need a fast MLB to get deep, and cover that play off the ball. Surtain strength is ability to jam WR and play man, now your asking to lay off in a zone. Plus a weak side LB to make plays.

Good thing we have Kawika Mitchell and Derrick Johnson!

[Garcia Bronco]

The Chiefs are pretty damn good...

[eddie mac]

Not true. You folks need to come to terms with the reality that the Chiefs defense is much improved. It started last year, and it's going to continue this year.

You'll not go too far with one of the worst secondary's in the league.

[Sarcastro]

You'll not go too far with one of the worst secondary's in the league.

The secondary won't be one of the worst if we get a decent pass rush.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You'll not go too far with one of the worst secondary's in the league.

I don't think our secondary is that bad. It's quite comparable to Denver's, and if we get Ty Law it will be one of the best.

[DivineLegion]

Seven is actually a higher number then six. Use your fingers to count it out GB16. You can do this.

For a chiefs fan you suck at interpreting stats...Going from 20 to 27 is no where near as impressive as going from alowing 20 points a game to 12...Do you know what it takes to only allow 12 ppg in the NFL???

[OrangeShadow]

Not true. You folks need to come to terms with the reality that the Chiefs defense is much improved. It started last year, and it's going to continue this year.

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[Bob's your Information Minister]

For a chiefs fan you suck at interpreting stats...Going from 20 to 27 is no where near as impressive as going from alowing 20 points a game to 12...Do you know what it takes to only allow 12 ppg in the NFL???

OBVIOUSLY it's not as impressive.

The only thing we are arguing is that we SIGNIFICANTLY improved. A touchdown per game is HUGE.

[GreatBronco16]

For a chiefs fan you suck at interpreting stats...Going from 20 to 27 is no where near as impressive as going from alowing 20 points a game to 12...Do you know what it takes to only allow 12 ppg in the NFL???


Well if you ask them, it's Herm Edwards and perhaps Lenny Walls.:giggle:

[Sarcastro]

Well if you ask them, it's Herm Edwards and perhaps Lenny Walls.:giggle:

The Chiefs need to trade for Elvis from the Broncos so they can finally get a quality DT.

[GreatBronco16]

OBVIOUSLY it's not as impressive.

The only thing we are arguing is that we SIGNIFICANTLY improved. A touchdown per game is HUGE.


It sure is. A TD a game is very huge. Like say you're giving up 37 points per game one year and get it down to 30 points per game. Yeah, I can just see that as being SIGNIFICANTLY improved.

Now getting it down to around 16-17 points per game would be a GREAT improvement. Imagine how many games KC would win by only allowing 16 points per game all the while scoring around 27-30 points. Hmmm, you might even make and win a playoff game.

[GreatBronco16]

The Chiefs need to trade for Elvis from the Broncos so they can finally get a quality DT.


Yeah then we can hear you guys saying how that would be a HUGE improvement and how you will be superbowl bound.


Wait, we already hear that. Carry on then.

[BroncoMan4ever]

What exactly is so idiotic about it? Take off the homer glasses. There is clear, indisputable evidence that we improved last year.


I am gonna speak the truth, true ur defense improved sum last year, however in comparison with many other defenses including denver's defense they still remain mediocre in comparison. Add in Ty Law doesn't mean much, because then teams r just gonna go at Walls and run it on the Chiefs.

Plus now they have a defensive minded coach so that means a year at least of relearning a system and swaying from offense to defense. So by the time they have made that change it will be week 10 at the soonest and they will already be too far behind to even make the playoffs let alone win the AFC West.

[Sarcastro]

I am gonna speak the truth, true ur defense improved sum last year, however in comparison with many other defenses including denver's defense they still remain mediocre in comparison. Add in Ty Law doesn't mean much, because then teams r just gonna go at Walls and run it on the Chiefs.

Plus now they have a defensive minded coach so that means a year at least of relearning a system and swaying from offense to defense. So by the time they have made that change it will be week 10 at the soonest and they will already be too far behind to even make the playoffs let alone win the AFC West.

Your defense looked real amazing against the Steelers.

Walls would at best be our nickle if we signed Law. We do have another corner named Patrick Surtain you know. Additionally, we finished 7th in run defense last season and allowed .1 ypc worse then Denver. That is even with the two horrible road games against Denver and the Giants where we gave up 200+ rushing yards. We had plenty of games where we took away the run game.

Essentially, you are talking out your ass.

[Sarcastro]

Yeah then we can hear you guys saying how that would be a HUGE improvement and how you will be superbowl bound.


Wait, we already hear that. Carry on then.

Wait I just remembered. Elvis weighs 250 pounds. Playing him at DT is a terrible idea.

[Lidderer]

statistically speaking(and I don't mean the silly numbers), KC's D was nearly equal to ours last year, and better in several respects. I don't see them getting worse, nor staying the same.

[Spider]

LOL Golic and Salisbury ripping our Broncos huh ...... I guess they still are hurting over Elway ....Salisbury and Golic were good enough to make the NFL , but they couldnt have pulled off What Elway did back then .......Ed Kiaser wasnt a football genius , but he knew enough to throw alot of Money at Elway, and they all jumped on the Elway is a waste bandwagon , well they was wrong ...... And now we have Plummer , th entire NFL laughed , well they are not laughing too much now , once again Denver proved the Experts wrong ........
And now they are proping up K.C. .thats cool , KC needs proping up in the off season , cause they will be beat down bad during the season , and the experts will be proved wrong again about Denver .........
Howard Cosell learnd the hard way , as will ESPN ........ ;D brings me much joy

[Sarcastro]

statistically speaking(and I don't mean the silly numbers), KC's D was nearly equal to ours last year, and better in several respects. I don't see them getting worse, nor staying the same.

If you look at pass defense statistics, outside of total yardage, Denver was near the top of the league in most while KC was anywhere from 10-25 or so, with most being 15-25.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

they still remain mediocre in comparison.

That is all we are saying. We're expecting MORE improvement this year. From bad to medicore to...good? Yes, maybe?


Add in Ty Law doesn't mean much, because then teams r just gonna go at Walls and run it on the Chiefs.

Did you forget about Patrick Surtain? And our run defense is quite good.


Plus now they have a defensive minded coach so that means a year at least of relearning a system and swaying from offense to defense. So by the time they have made that change it will be week 10 at the soonest and they will already be too far behind to even make the playoffs let alone win the AFC West.

We retained our defensive coordinator. We're not installing a new system. You don't really have a point here.

[Lidderer]

If you look at pass defense statistics, outside of total yardage, Denver was near the top of the league in most while KC was anywhere from 10-25 or so, with most being 15-25.

and if you look at rush statistics it's almost the exact opposite.

so there we are.

[sirhcyennek81]

So...at what position on defense does KC have a better player? Plummer is better then Green. 3 playoff appearances in consecutive years has trumped anything green has, or will do.

:Broncos:

[Arkansas Bronco]

Sorry just the name Golic made me post on one of our local Sports radio channels they have just redone the line ups and nowI have mike&mike in the morning and then Rome on at like 11 I freakin hate it. Those are the only 2 shows I cant stand.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So...at what position on defense does KC have a better player?

In my opinion? 3 or 4. I know this will be disputed so please just drop it before you pick it up.


Plummer is better then Green. 3 playoff appearances in consecutive years has trumped anything green has, or will do.


We didn't trade up in the first round to draft a quarterback. You did. I'd say that answers that question!

[Sarcastro]

In my opinion? 3 or 4. I know this will be disputed so please just drop it before you pick it up.



We didn't trade up in the first round to draft a quarterback. You did. I'd say that answers that question!

Anyone that seriously believes Plummer is better then Green is beyond help. You might as well just ignore him.

[sirhcyennek81]

In my opinion? 3 or 4. I know this will be disputed so please just drop it before you pick it up.



We didn't trade up in the first round to draft a quarterback. You did. I'd say that answers that question!


Yeah. 49ers getting Young in a trade, when they already had Montana, or the Packers drafting Rodgers, when they have Favre on the roster must mean the starters were horrible. I recognize the last franchise QB you guys had was Len Dawson, but dont be an idiot, Bob.

Also, no player on the chief defense, DJ included, would start for the Broncos.

:Broncos:

[Spider]

Anyone that seriously believes Plummer is better then Green is beyond help. You might as well just ignore him.
LOL . you cant be serious ............

[Jetmeck]

Anyone that seriously believes Plummer is better then Green is beyond help. You might as well just ignore him.


IT'S YOUR LINE DUMMY, NOT GREEN ! Plummer is obviously much more mobile and very hard to sack. Green is a statue. With Welbourne retiring I see a crack forming in that old 0-line that will return Green to his chicken with it's head cut off days. Here come the INT's as Turley is bullrushed because of his light weight.

Seriously the guy is coming off a two year absence with back surgery and is well underweight. Maybe Jordan Black could play again since that went so well before ! Another of your o-line retires or gets hurt like last year you guys are screwed as your o-line goes so does your offense.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah. 49ers getting Young in a trade, when they already had Montana, or the Packers drafting Rodgers, when they have Favre on the roster must mean the starters were horrible. I recognize the last franchise QB you guys had was Len Dawson, but dont be an idiot, Bob.


Montana was injury-prone and getting older. Favre is old as dirt.

Plummer is in the prime of his career. If everything was peachy, you guys would NOT have traded up to draft a QB.


Also, no player on the chief defense, DJ included, would start for the Broncos.

That is a joke. Patrick Surtain is easily the second-best CB in the division. Jared Allen is better than any defensive end you have.

[SoCalBronco]

I would like to have Jared Allen on our defense.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

IT'S YOUR LINE DUMMY, NOT GREEN ! Plummer is obviously much more mobile and very hard to sack. Green is a statue. With Welbourne retiring I see a crack forming in that old 0-line that will return Green to his chicken with it's head cut off days. Here come the INT's as Turley is bullrushed because of his light weight.

When Roaf went down last year, Green didn't suddenly start slinging interceptions by the dozen. Your point is moot.

You get 1 fan from each of the 32 NFL teams in one room and ask them who is the better QB. Only one fan in that room is going to say Plummer.

[sirhcyennek81]

Montana was injury-prone and getting older. Favre is old as dirt.

Plummer is in the prime of his career. If everything was peachy, you guys would NOT have traded up to draft a QB.



That is a joke. Patrick Surtain is easily the second-best CB in the division. Jared Allen is better than any defensive end you have.



Second best CB in the division...are you high? Allen cant stop the run if you tell him what side denver will run on, the snap count, and blocking assignments beforehand. The clown bites on the fake EVERY SINGLE TIME. I know it must bother you Bob, that in this particular first round, the Broncos solidified the QB position for the future. Competition makes players better, Bob. If you had actual talent on defense, this would be a recognizable concept for you.

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

I would like to have Jared Allen on our defense.


We already have a one dimensional pass rusher. His name is John Engleberger.

:Broncos:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Second best CB in the division...are you high? :

Nope. Who is better? If you say Darrent Williams you lose a testicle.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

We already have a one dimensional pass rusher. His name is John Engleberger.

:Broncos:

LOL

Come talk to me when John has 20 sacks in two years.

As for Allen's abilities against the run, he may not be the biggest guy, but he knows how to use leverage and I have seen him penetrate into the backfield and drag down a running back many times. He's not as big a liability as you seem to think.

[sirhcyennek81]

Nope. Who is better? If you say Darrent Williams you lose a testicle.


I was going to say Jammer. Best player in a mediocre secondary. Thank you for announcing you are after my nuts, bob.


:Broncos:

[-Slap-]

When they learn to keep Tiki Barber from looking like Bo Jackson.....

http://assets.giants.com/uploads/photo/6B006CD6434D4544AD9E1822C4D8904C.jpg
If Bo had one tenth of Tiki's heart, his NFL career wouldn't have been such a joke.

[Hulamau]

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Great video Kaylore, it looked like a repeat of the Portis thumping KC got in Denver 3 years ago in the "Championship belt" game.

[Spider]

well 1 thing is for sure , Denver should sweep the division this year .. only real team standing in our way is the Chargers ........

[Sassy]

well 1 thing is for sure , Denver should sweep the division this year .. only real team standing in our way is the Chargers ........
Chargers! Ha! Ha! Ha!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/SSundheim/100_1140.jpg

[Spider]

Chargers! Ha! Ha! Ha!
I know pretty sad ....... ;D

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I was going to say Jammer. Best player in a mediocre secondary. Thank you for announcing you are after my nuts, bob.


:Broncos:

Jammer is a joke. Ask any Chargers fan. They'd trade him for Surtain in a heartbeat.

[Kaylore]

Jammer is a joke. Ask any Chargers fan. They'd trade him for Surtain in a heartbeat. Jammer is pretty bad, but there have been a number of Boltz fans here who think he's the bee's knees. I remember one Boltz fan rated the mugger higher than Woodson and Surtain.

[sirhcyennek81]

Jammer is a joke. Ask any Chargers fan. They'd trade him for Surtain in a heartbeat.



They had the chance to. And didnt. The only ones hot for Surtain are you and the heshes who gather at arrowhead.


:Broncos:

[Spider]

Jammer is a joke. Ask any Chargers fan. They'd trade him for Surtain in a heartbeat.
Sur-Tan .......Just another notch on the belt of the great Rod Smith ......just another DB going to get beat down by sir Rod

[Sassy]

Chargers! Ha! Ha! Ha!

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/SSundheim/100_1140.jpg
At Mile High West!

[Spider]

At Mile High West!
LOL .nice shoe .......

[Bob's your Information Minister]

They had the chance to. And didnt. The only ones hot for Surtain are you and the heshes who gather at arrowhead.


:Broncos:

When was this?

Seriously. Jammer has 6 interceptions in 4 years.

[Sassy]

LOL .nice shoe .......
The gal at the beer stand pissed me off...wouldn't give me a beer in a different cup so I figured the Chargers were good only for their cups and then, like the Broncos, I crushed them ;D

[Paladin]

Sarcrapto and Boob. Now that is a true line up for objective analyses of the AFC West. What a couple of morons.

I really do not care what the mullets say about their group of underachievers that they laughingly refer to as a team. These guys have about as much sense as a mosquito.

Please don't quote that nonsense. Just ignore them.

[Spider]

Jammer , Sur-Tan will wind up like Charles Woodson = Sir Rods Bítches ......

[Spider]

The gal at the beer stand pissed me off...wouldn't give me a beer in a different cup so I figured the Chargers were good only for their cups and then, like the Broncos, I crushed them ;D
«««mental note , if ever around Sassy Give her Beer in a broncos cup ;D

[Sassy]

«««mental note , if ever around Sassy Give her Beer in a broncos cup ;D
Some chicks in line wanted me in my Bronco gear to pose for a pic with the cup...I said "No way in .... " ;D

[Spider]

Some chicks in line wanted me in my Bronco gear to pose for a pic with the cup...I said "No way in .... " ;D
Charger Chicks = Raider fans in Drag . or so I have been told anyway ;D

[-Slap-]

«««mental note , if ever around Sassy Give her Beer ;D

;)

[24champ]

Far as Im concerned in real life the Broncos beat the Chefs in their crap hole they call a stadium. Thats a fact and nothing anyone says will change that. Golic and Steaks predictions mean diddly squat.

[azbroncfan]

No point in arguing which D is better. They both play a die by the blitz and do get killed at times. Chefs D isn't as bad as some people think and Denver's D is far from 2000 Ravens. Thing is a D is as good as D line and niether one is very good there.

[Gcver2ver3]

If Bo had one tenth of Tiki's heart, his NFL career wouldn't have been such a joke.



Since when did Bo not have heart?

Bo's career was no where near being a joke....

The guy played 2 sports and did it well.....no one else before him had done that....the guy was the most electrifying player in TWO sports....

then as you know he suffered a tragic career ending hip injury that he desperately tried to come back from....

but the guy is human like everyone else.....so of course he could never get back the ability he had before the injury....pretty sad...but i don't see how you consider him not having any heart...

[youcandoit1687]

anybody see the spineless picks that ESPN has for the CCGs

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honestly, can u pick something that isnt a rematch of this years NFCCG or the year before's AFCCG? ridiculous. theyre pretty spineless/stupid. im sure it will be carolina/NE rematch or pitt/sea rematch. the whole media is in love with those four.
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[Atlas]

anybody see the spineless picks that ESPN has for the CCGs

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honestly, can u pick something that isnt a rematch of this years NFCCG or the year before's AFCCG? ridiculous. theyre pretty spineless/stupid. im sure it will be carolina/NE rematch or pitt/sea rematch. the whole media is in love with those four.
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WOW that is pretty lame.

[-Slap-]

Since when did Bo not have heart?

Bo's career was no where near being a joke....

The guy played 2 sports and did it well.....no one else before him had done that....the guy was the most electrifying player in TWO sports....

then as you know he suffered a tragic career ending hip injury that he desperately tried to come back from....

but the guy is human like everyone else.....so of course he could never get back the ability he had before the injury....pretty sad...but i don't see how you consider him not having any heart...

He was the biggest prima donna who ever played in this League. I'm sure you don't remember anything about his career except what was spoon fed to you by the media, though.

His senior year at Auburn, Bo pulled himself out of games against rivals Tennessee and Florida with minor "thigh strains". This set the pattern for his pro career. I have never seen any back remove himself from more football games for such candyassed reasons. One of Bo's favorite excuses when a defense was determined to rough him up was to complain that his hamstrings felt "tight".

Meanwhile, a true football player like Marcus Allen was shuttled to fullback every year when Bo would decide to stop flailing at curveballs in the dirt and indulge his "football hobby". Allen was twice the football player Bo ever was in his wildest dreams.

Physically, Bo was a phenom. Probably still, even this far removed from the game, the most physically gifted athlete to ever come through the League. Unfortunately, his gifts spoiled him and in his mind, Bo was always bigger than the team.

You go ahead and keep believing everything the Nike commercials tell you, though. Independent analysis isn't your strong suit.

[rbackfactory80]

WOW that is pretty lame.

It is super lame but what puzzles me is everyone gets all bent out of shape each and every year by their predictions.

[Steve Sewell]

Better than Vermeil when it comes to defense, anyway.

And we improved last year, significantly. We've got a nice group of young players.

ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! :notworthy

[Steve Sewell]

Maybe they just feel that this is the year KC finally gets that defense?

It's not like you guys did much of anything to improve your defense this offseason. We have a number one draft pick manning the defensive line and completely overhauled our defensive coaching staff.

Your #1 draft pick is a journeyman defensive lineman at best. Good luck with that.

[Steve Sewell]

Do not drink the Lenny Walls Kool-aid!!!!!!!.....


you have been warned

now if you sign ty law...that would give you quite the corner tandem....

you'll need it trying to cover smith and walker

I have a feeling that the Broncos will run all day long on the Chumps, score on a couple of 40 yard TD runs, and for passing plays run the bootleg often...

Wait, am I having a flashback or something?

[Steve Sewell]

When Roaf went down last year, Green didn't suddenly start slinging interceptions by the dozen. Your point is moot.

You get 1 fan from each of the 32 NFL teams in one room and ask them who is the better QB. Only one fan in that room is going to say Plummer.

You get 1 fan from each of the 32 NFL teams in one room and ask them if the Chiefs D will be good this year. One one fan in that room is going to say yes.

[Atlas]

He was the biggest prima donna who ever played in this League. I'm sure you don't remember anything about his career except what was spoon fed to you by the media, though.

His senior year at Auburn, Bo pulled himself out of games against rivals Tennessee and Florida with minor "thigh strains". This set the pattern for his pro career. I have never seen any back remove himself from more football games for such candyassed reasons. One of Bo's favorite excuses when a defense was determined to rough him up was to complain that his hamstrings felt "tight".

.

That was the slam on him coming out of college, that he was soft, but boy could he run with the ball. He didn't look soft in 1986 when he ran over Mike Harden.

[Atlas]

Your #1 draft pick is a journeyman defensive lineman at best. Good luck with that.

The QB they selected sperated his shoulder while flossing. LOL

[Atlas]

I have a feeling that the Broncos will run all day long on the Chumps, score on a couple of 40 yard TD runs, and for passing plays run the bootleg often...

Wait, am I having a flashback or something?

That is the easiest, safest prediction anyone could make.

bootleg left, bootleg right..... Kendra Bell getting sucked inside and running behind Jake in futile pursuit. All the way to the point where Jake throws the ball to one of the many wide Open WRS coming acrosss the field.

[Gcver2ver3]

Independent analysis isn't your strong suit.


you were doing allright in convincing me of Bo...til this remark.....

you don't know me like that....so keep your smug lil insults at home with you and your moms.....

[Popps]

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!Booya!

[Atlas]

!Booya!

That isn't really fair because before the game a NY fan dressed up as an official and told the KC players that the rules had been changed and now they were play flag football not tackle.

Check at Tiki run, you'll see all the Chef players trying to grab a flag around his waist.

[watermock]

Not in my eyes. That's just a TD and extra point a game. Esp when your offense went from 30.2 ppg to 25.2 ppg.

Exactly, a whopping 2 point differential improvement. 30/27 to 25/20 in scoring. Bob simply doesn't accept that their offense is OLD with the exception of DiaperBoy. The return of Turdley, the 265 pound bulldozer is going to make all the difference.

[watermock]

This clip deserves a reprise because it's simply hysterical. How can you have what looked like 20 missed tackles on one play?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lcLlmwETjY&eurl=

I literally counted 11 missed tackles, a couple actually had two shots, and it wasn't like Tiki was burning down the field with speed.

[watermock]

The Chiefs ran some cover 2 last year. Obviously Herm is bringing more of that to the scheme.

Herm wouldn't have hired Gunther if they didn't see eye-to-eye.

Goother was hired in 2004 and Edwards in 2006. You must of meant he would of FIRED Goonther is they didn't see eye to eye, but he hasn't exactly had that opportunity with King Karls still in his rubber room.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Exactly, a whopping 2 point differential improvement. 30/27 to 25/20 in scoring. Bob simply doesn't accept that their offense is OLD with the exception of DiaperBoy. The return of Turdley, the 265 pound bulldozer is going to make all the difference.

What? Two points? It's SEVEN, you moron, and we improved to 16th in scoring defense.

Get a clue.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Goother was hired in 2004 and Edwards in 2006. You must of meant he would of FIRED Goonther is they didn't see eye to eye, but he hasn't exactly had that opportunity with King Karls still in his rubber room.

No. Herm HIRED Gunther. Or maybe RETAINED would be a better word to use. Gunther's contract expired at the end of 2005.

[youcandoit1687]

It is super lame but what puzzles me is everyone gets all bent out of shape each and every year by their predictions.

but we just love bashing the media and writers, so when spineless predictions like this come out, its irresistible. atleast peter king had the balls to pick a team that didnt go to the playoffs last year.

[youcandoit1687]

What? Two points? It's SEVEN, you moron, and we improved to 16th in scoring defense.

Get a clue.

defense minus 7
offense minus 5

only a 2 point improvement from the year before. it means your defense got better while your offense got worse

[GreatBronco16]

defense minus 7
offense minus 5

only a 2 point improvement from the year before. it means your defense got better while your offense got worse


Well we all know that, but that isn't the point. Bob is under the impression that knocking 7 points off from the year before is a GREAT improvement, no matter the number it is coming down from. He somehow thinks that going from 27 to 20 points allowed, is somehow just as good as going from 21 to 14 points allowed per game. That's why it is just as great giving up 37 points per game and dropping it down to 30 points. Well in boobs eyes atleast.

[youcandoit1687]

Well we all know that, but that isn't the point. Bob is under the impression that knocking 7 points off from the year before is a GREAT improvement, no matter the number it is coming down from. He somehow thinks that going from 27 to 20 points allowed, is somehow just as good as going from 21 to 14 points allowed per game. That's why it is just as great giving up 37 points per game and dropping it down to 30 points. Well in boobs eyes atleast.

lol bob doesnt know that. i had to slow things down to explain

[Bob's your Information Minister]

defense minus 7
offense minus 5

only a 2 point improvement from the year before. it means your defense got better while your offense got worse

Actually the Chiefs 2004 offense averaged 28.5 points per game. And I don't really care about the dropoff. We're talking about defense.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well we all know that, but that isn't the point. Bob is under the impression that knocking 7 points off from the year before is a GREAT improvement, no matter the number it is coming down from. He somehow thinks that going from 27 to 20 points allowed, is somehow just as good as going from 21 to 14 points allowed per game. That's why it is just as great giving up 37 points per game and dropping it down to 30 points. Well in boobs eyes atleast.

I think going from 27 to 20 is a big improvement. We won three games because of it.

Seriously. You would have had to have been blind to realize we didn't take a big step forward defensively last year. But I realize your orange glasses do indeed blind you.

[PatsWin2002]

Bob, this one's for you:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2006-07-05-nfl-report_x.htm

NFL report: RB tandem in K.C. a Chief concern
Updated 7/5/2006 12:20 PM ET

By Jim Corbett, USA TODAY

Kansas City Chiefs coach Herm Edwards is trying to balance all those fantasy football expectations for Larry Johnson with NFL reality.

It's impossible for one running back, no matter how gifted, to hold up under the 500- to 550-carry load Edwards plans for a more run-heavy offense.

Coincidentally, the man who will replace former Pro Bowl running back Priest Holmes as Kansas City's offensive drivetrain will benefit most if Holmes can return from last year's season-ending neck injury, sustained Oct. 30 against the San Diego Chargers.

In today's NFL, a team is only as good as its fourth-quarter run game, especially late in the season. See last season's Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers and the 1-2 running back tandem of Willie Parker and Jerome Bettis. That is why Edwards remains hopeful Holmes will be able to return for a 10th season and serve as Johnson's backup.

It's not that Johnson isn't tough enough to withstand a heavy load. He led the AFC with 1,750 yards on 336 carries last season. But it's an issue of having something left to be an effective closer come the playoffs, especially because Edwards believes the best way to improve a 25th-ranked defense is to keep it fresh by running more.

"You need two runners in this game," Edwards says. "One guy can't do it alone. We want to run the ball 500-550 times. They ran 520 times here last year. You're lucky if one guy gets 300 carries. I'm hoping that other guy will be Priest Holmes. Priest wants to come back, and I'm anticipating he will. He's in great shape. He's hoping to be medically cleared in early July out in California."

Edwards is impressed by the way Johnson has handled higher expectations after his breakout performance in nine starts replacing Holmes.

"L.J. has done a great job," Edwards says. "He has a lot of pressure with all the expectations on him. I told him, 'After the first game you run for 78 yards, the question everyone will ask is, "Did you get enough carries?" ' It's about the wins. And it's about showing he can do it over 16 games."

Johnson goes from arguably last season's second-half MVP to the fulcrum for Kansas City's return to the playoffs for the first time since 2003.

"He's got that bull's-eye on him now," Edwards says. "He's a hard worker and knows he has to continue to improve in his blocking. That's the one thing about Curtis Martin that he didn't get enough attention for. Curtis was a great pass blocker. That's the next step for L.J. And he wants to be a complete player, has great respect for the history of the game and the great running backs."

If Holmes is unable to return or begins the season on the physically unable to perform list, fifth-year journeyman Dee Brown is expected to be Johnson's primary backup.

The 2001 sixth-round pick by the Carolina Panthers has impressed during offseason workouts and is running ahead of former Denver Broncos back Quentin Griffin.

Foretold is forewarned

Each day when another NFL player made the wrong type of news during the offseason, Edwards would begin his team meeting by mimicking the opening theme from SportsCenter:

"Da-na-na, na-na-na!"

To hammer the point home, the coach would flash a headline and account of the latest player to run afoul of the law on the meeting-room monitor.

Edwards believes the best defense to prevent players from messing up is a good offense. He made sure his players were more than forewarned about the consequences.

"I showed them every single guy who got arrested this offseason," Edwards says. "I said, 'Hey guys, we got 36 days off until training camp (June 27). The only reason you guys should be on SportsCenter is either because you're in last year's highlights or for something special you did in the community.' "

[GreatBronco16]

I think going from 27 to 20 is a big improvement. We won three games because of it.

Seriously. You would have had to have been blind to realize we didn't take a big step forward defensively last year. But I realize your orange glasses do indeed blind you.


No you moron. KCs defense improved in some areas yes, but it was not as big as you are trying to make it out to be. If your defense was actually as improved as you say, then they wouldn't have laid down to the Giants and the Cowboys with thier playoff hopes on the line.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No you moron. KCs defense improved in some areas yes, but it was not as big as you are trying to make it out to be. If your defense was actually as improved as you say, then they wouldn't have laid down to the Giants and the Cowboys with thier playoff hopes on the line.

They didn't really "lay down." Neither New York or Dallas scored over 30 points.

We improved to mediocre, and that is all I am trying to say.

[GreatBronco16]

They didn't really "lay down." Neither New York or Dallas scored over 30 points.

We improved to mediocre, and that is all I am trying to say.


Dallas scored 31 points so you are wrong yet again.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=251211006

Also, why in the hell would you want to brag about having a mediocre defense? Keep on polishing that turn boob. One day you might make it shine.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Dallas scored 31 points so you are wrong yet again.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=251211006

Also, why in the hell would you want to brag about having a mediocre defense? Keep on polishing that turn boob. One day you might make it shine.

Son of a bitch! That game was even more awful than I remember.

Anyway, I'm not bragging. I'm simply trying to get Bronco fans to accept fact. The career day defense is dead. We were mediocre last year, and I expect an improvement to "good" this year.

[GreatBronco16]

Son of a b****! That game was even more awful than I remember.

Anyway, I'm not bragging. I'm simply trying to get Bronco fans to accept fact.


The fact is that your defense is still a poor one. And until they prove otherwise, they are still a poor defense. Like I said, if they really improved, other than by the numbers, they would have held the Giants and Dallas to a respectible score. Not 27 and 31. Esp, with your playoff hopes on the line.

I'm sorry, a turd is still a turd no matter how much armor all you put on it. And that is the facts that you need to accept.

[GreatBronco16]

Son of a b****! That game was even more awful than I remember.

The career day defense is dead.


It was suppose to be dead when you got Goonter back in KC. Now we are still hearing the same thing. "Well this is the year"

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The fact is that your defense is still a poor one. And until they prove otherwise, they are still a poor defense.

They proved otherwise last year. The evidence across the board indicated a mediocre defense. A couple of bad games doesn't change that. Your defense had a couple of bad games.

[GreatBronco16]

They proved otherwise last year. The evidence across the board indicated a mediocre defense. A couple of bad games doesn't change that. Your defense had a couple of bad games.


And I'm not here trying to pimp up our defense for something that it isn't/wasn't.

Here ya go boob. I know you must be running out. Get your own rag though.

http://www.howco.com/images/AA1.jpg

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And I'm not here trying to pimp up our defense for something that it isn't/wasn't.



Neither am I. The Chiefs defense was clearly mediocre last year.

[GreatBronco16]

Neither am I. The Chiefs defense was clearly mediocre last year.


Yeah, and you are here pimping up that mediocrity. Nobody would talk that much about a mediocre defense or anything, if they weren't trying to pimp it up. KCs defense went from very ****ty, to just plain ****ty. Why in the hell would you even want to talk about an improvement with that.

Just say "yeah, they improved in some areas, but they still suck".

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Just say "yeah, they improved in some areas, but they still suck".

That's my whole point. Mediocre does not equal suck. Stop living in the past. Defense is returning to Kansas City. It had to happen at some point.

[GreatBronco16]

That's my whole point. Mediocre does not equal suck. Stop living in the past. Defense is returning to Kansas City. It had to happen at some point.


Actually to a lot of people, mediocrity does suck. It's just an upper level of suckiness.

And I'm laughing my ass off at the 'Defense is returning to Kansas City" remark.Hilarious!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Actually to a lot of people, mediocrity does suck. It's just an upper level of suckiness.

And I'm laughing my ass off at the 'Defense is returning to Kansas City" remark.Hilarious!

All the signs were there last year. If you want to ignore them, so be it. The shock will be that much sweeter to witness.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Another thing you pathetic waste of flesh, King Karl RETAINED Goonther before Edwards was even hired, so your delusion that Edwards retained him is laughable.

Wrong. Gunther was not re-hired until Herm was the head coach.

And Herm has plenty of authority. You think Carl hired all the new assistant coaches? Hali and Pollard had Herm's stamp all over them.

[watermock]

Now we have beaten Boob into acknowleging that his vaunted defense was "Mediocre".

Now it's time to beat him to the ackknowlegement that the offense is old sans DiaperBoy.

[GreatBronco16]

All the signs were there last year. If you want to ignore them, so be it. The shock will be that much sweeter to witness.


OMG, what signs are you talking about? The only thing they improved on pretty much was in the run game. They got worse in the passing game. Your defense showed a slight improvement. Your D got punked around by half way to very decent teams last year. The players can't takle nor defend a bootleg to save their lives. But somehow with the same players, the defense is returning to KC.Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[watermock]

Wrong. Gunther was not re-hired until Herm was the head coach.

And Herm has plenty of authority. You think Carl hired all the new assistant coaches? Hali and Pollard had Herm's stamp all over them.

And your going to tell me that decision was Herm Edwards' Boob? Herm Edwards wasn't exactly in high regard after he left the Jets in shambles and was fired.

So your going to assert that Edwards had a say on whether or not Goonther was retained? It wasn't his call when he was in a position of working for bread and broth.

Your assertions are pathetic. Edwards didn't retain Goonther, he was retained by King Karl.

Look you dimwit, did Edwards hire Goonther? That's what you asserted then you claimed Edwards retained him.

Both are false. King Karl is calling the shots.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

OMG, what signs are you talking about? The only thing they improved on pretty much was in the run game. They got worse in the passing game. !

Really? Our interceptions went up. Our third down defense improved significantly.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

King Karl is calling the shots.
Nope. Sorry. You're wrong. Herm and Gunther have a relationship, and that is why Gunther was retained. It wasn't Carl's shot. And neither were any of the assistant coaches.

I don't know why you think otherwise. It's been that way with EVERY HEAD COACH IN KANSAS CITY UNDER CARL PETERSON.

Even Gunther was allowed to hire his own stooges.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/13588300.htm


The remnants of Dick Vermeil’s coaching staff have not yet scattered to the winds. Even with Herman Edwards now coaching the Chiefs, Vermeil’s assistants are under contract through the end of the month.

Some of them might get extensions. Edwards said Monday that he would interview all of Vermeil’s assistants and could retain one or more on his staff.

[elsid13]

I have strange feeling that Gunther would have been looking for job, if Donnie Henderson was available.

[Spider]

Chiefs Defense Hilarious! ........

[azbroncfan]

If goonther can't change chicken sh!t to chicken salad what do you think Sperm will do??? D is mediocre no completely terrible but far from great.

[Tombstone RJ]

If goonther can't change chicken sh!t to chicken salad what do you think Sperm will do??? D is mediocre no completely terrible but far from great.

Exactly. A turd is still a turd, even if you spit shine it...

[Sarcastro]

OMG, what signs are you talking about? The only thing they improved on pretty much was in the run game. They got worse in the passing game. Your defense showed a slight improvement. Your D got punked around by half way to very decent teams last year. The players can't takle nor defend a bootleg to save their lives. But somehow with the same players, the defense is returning to KC.Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

Lets look at some statistics the Chiefs defense improved in:

total rush defense improved: 114.6 ypg to 98.1 ypg
yards per carry improved: 4.6 to 4.1 ypc

total pass defense improved: 262.7 ypg to 229.9 ypg
yards per pass attempt improved: 8.53 to 6.91 ypa
completion percentage against improved: 59.8 to 58.1%
QB rating against improved: 97.5 to 82.3

3rd down conversion percentage against improved: 38.4 to 37.9%

Takeaways improved: 21 takeways for a -6 differential to 29 takeways for a +7 difference.

Scoring defense improved: 27.2 ppg to 20.3 ppg

[GreatBronco16]

Really? Our interceptions went up. Our third down defense improved significantly.

You don't know what you're talking about.


Ok your INTs went from 25 in 2003 to 13 in 2004 to 16 in 2005. Now please tell me how that is some great improvement?

And your third down coversion rate went from 38.4 in 2004 to 37.9 in 2005.

Now please enlighten us on this great improvement that all of us just aren't seeing in the return of the defense to KC.

[Spider]

!Booya!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Ok your INTs went from 25 in 2003 to 13 in 2004 to 16 in 2005. Now please tell me how that is some great improvement?

And your third down coversion rate went from 38.4 in 2004 to 37.9 in 2005.

Now please enlighten us on this great improvement that all of us just aren't seeing in the return of the defense to KC.

I'll just refer you to Sarcastro's post. He pretty much blows you out of the water. There's more evidence there than you can shake a stick at.

[shakenbake]

....All the signs were there last year. If you want to ignore them, so be it. The shock will be that much sweeter to witness.

[Sarcastro]

....

I think all the Maners in this thread should just start posting this image since it has summed up most of their posts. Good for you shakenbake. Way to be the honest man in a den of liars.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Lets look at some statistics the Chiefs defense improved in:

total rush defense improved: 114.6 ypg to 98.1 ypg
yards per carry improved: 4.6 to 4.1 ypc

total pass defense improved: 262.7 ypg to 229.9 ypg
yards per pass attempt improved: 8.53 to 6.91 ypa
completion percentage against improved: 59.8 to 58.1%
QB rating against improved: 97.5 to 82.3

3rd down conversion percentage against improved: 38.4 to 37.9%

Takeaways improved: 21 takeways for a -6 differential to 29 takeways for a +7 difference.

Scoring defense improved: 27.2 ppg to 20.3 ppg
If we extrapolate this out for the 2006 season, what sort of results would we get? We can assume the Chiefs will continue to improve on defense. They didn't lose any important personnel or coaching. They added two talented rookies and improved the coaching staff.

We'll adjust for "homer goggles" by reducing the improvement to only half as much from the previous season. The 2006 results are as follows:



total rush defense : 89.85
yards per carry: 3.85

total pass defense: 213.5 ypg
yards per pass attempt: 6.10
completion percentage against: 57.%
QB rating against: 74.7

3rd down conversion percentage against: 37.65%

Takeaways: 33 takeaways

Scoring defense: 16.85 ppg

[elsid13]

If we extrapolate this out for the 2006 season, what sort of results would we get? We can assume the Chiefs will continue to improve on defense. They didn't lose any important personnel or coaching. They added two talented rookies and improved the coaching staff.

Bob

You can not do that. Each season is independent of each other, due to number of variables that need to be factor in, that why mathematical equations have hard time predicting outcome of games

[watermock]

Nope. Sorry. You're wrong. Herm and Gunther have a relationship, and that is why Gunther was retained. It wasn't Carl's shot. And neither were any of the assistant coaches.

I don't know why you think otherwise. It's been that way with EVERY HEAD COACH IN KANSAS CITY UNDER CARL PETERSON.

Even Gunther was allowed to hire his own stooges.

Of course not...Herm Edwards is kicked in the ass on the first train out of town, Karl Peterson is entrenched like a dug in tick and it was Edwards decision to hire...err...RETAIN Goonther.

Edwards has as much pull as a rat trying to pull an Ox cart at this point and your going to tell me the GM isn't calling the shots here.

It's hysterical. Finally, you have no clue that now KC has become so desperate for a defense that their offense will suffer. See the loss of Teary Dick and Al Saunders, something you conveiniently ignore. Why would there be any friction between two defensive coaches that have both been recently fired?

[GreatBronco16]

I'll just refer you to Sarcastro's post. He pretty much blows you out of the water. There's more evidence there than you can shake a stick at.


No, my post was a direct response to your idiotic thinking. It covered two thing that YOU insisted that KC had some kind of great improvement on. INTs and 3rd down percentage. The fact is there was no great improvement. There was actually very little improvement.

But lets add to that KC improvement.

2004 sacks by KCs D- 41 2005 sacks- 29

Now how can that be when you guys had the great Allen, D.Johnson, and Kedrell Bell?

But hell, even with those great improments on your pass D, you guys managed to move up to 30th from 32nd. Now let me guess, 2 spots is a great improvment right?


Bottom line is, KCs D had a slight improvement 'Overall'. Nothing to write home about, and nothing to brag about, and certainly nothing to give anyone the belief that they will make it to 15th or better in total Defense.

[GreatBronco16]

See the loss of Teary Dick and Al Saunders


Now you brought up Saunders. Now we will have to hear about how Saunders really didn't have much to do with how well the offense played, and their new OC will be just as good, if not better and Saunders.

[elsid13]

Now you brought up Saunders. Now we will have to hear about how Saunders really didn't have much to do with how well the offense played, and their new OC will be just as good, if not better and Saunders.


Saunder sure fooled the Redskins and Old Gibbs, because they're paying him like had something to do with Chef's offense success.

[GreatBronco16]

Saunder sure fooled the Redskins and Old Gibbs, because they're paying him like had something to do with Chef's offense success.


It's all smoke and mirrors. Trust me, KC fans will tell us. Saunders is easily replaced. Just wait.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bottom line is, KCs D had a slight improvement 'Overall'. Nothing to write home about, and nothing to brag about, and certainly nothing to give anyone the belief that they will make it to 15th or better in total Defense.

Wrong. Christ, we shaved almost 50 yards a game off our 2005 average. And of course, 7 points.

You're wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Edwards has as much pull as a rat trying to pull an Ox cart at this point and your going to tell me the GM isn't calling the shots here.

I know for a fact that he isn't. You're wrong. But that's nothing new.


It's hysterical. Finally, you have no clue that now KC has become so desperate for a defense that their offense will suffer. See the loss of Teary Dick and Al Saunders, something you conveiniently ignore. Why would there be any friction between two defensive coaches that have both been recently fired?

You'll forgive me if I'll ignore your ramblings about our offense. After all, it was YOU who "signed the death certificate for the KC offense" last year, only to have them later make your vaunted defense look like the 2004 Chiefs.

[GreatBronco16]

Wrong. Christ, we shaved almost 50 yards a game off our 2005 average. And of course, 7 points.

You're wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.


OMG that is just a HUGE acomplishment. Actually it is for the Chiefs and their fans. 50 whole yards. I'm just in awe over here.

Chiefs defense will be 10th or better guys, just wait. They will only give up 150 ypg and teams will not score more than 12 points on them. Just wait guys. It's coming this year. If not this year, then the next year, or the next or the next, till sooner or later it might happen, and boob, being 85 and still living at home can jump up and say he told us so.

[watermock]

Wrong, I called KC to go to the SuperBowl when they were firing on all cylinders. You can keep thinking the offense will hold up when you lost both of your offensive coaches. The stone cold fact is that the offense is on the downside and both their offensive Gurus have bolted, bottom line.

The funniest thing was that in 2004, they didn't make a single move on D other than to hire Goonther. Your incredibly clueless. Now that the D is being addresed haphazard, the Offense is slowly creeping into their pension accounts.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

OMG that is just a HUGE acomplishment. Actually it is for the Chiefs and their fans. 50 whole yards. I'm just in awe over here.


I don't think you realize how huge 50 yards a game is. It can be the difference between winning and losing.

I'm going to guess that it was one of the largest improvements in the league last year. I doubt I'm wrong, but I'll let someone else do the dirty work this time if they want to prove it.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Wrong, I called KC to go to the SuperBowl when they were firing on all cylinders.

BULL and SHIAT.

Prove it.

You did INDEED sign that death certificate, though. Here's the thread:

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=33009&highlight=signs

[watermock]

That post is November 2005 you idiot. I called that to start 2004, not at the end of 2005. It doesn't even matter. You love being spanked.

After they went 13-3 I predicted that they had a good chance to get to the SuperBowl in 2004 if they could fix their defense. They didn't. It wasn't in November 2005.

Kansas City used to slice thru defenses like a hot knife thru butter...even the most beergoggled mullet has to finally see that the window has closed...

I will stand by that comment in 2005. It's not what I said after they blew chunks after going 13-3

That isn't what I said before 2004 when Priest Holmes was a monster and their line was truly dominant.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That post is November 2005 you idiot. I called that to start 2004, not at the end of 2005. It doesn't even matter. You love being spanked.

After they went 13-3 I predicted that they had a good chance to get to the SuperBowl in 2004 if they could fix their defense. They didn't. It wasn't in November 2005.

What? YOU ARE FULL OF IT!

You "signed" your certificate during the Raiders game last year.

TAKE YOUR MEDICINE, MORON.

[Sarcastro]

No, my post was a direct response to your idiotic thinking. It covered two thing that YOU insisted that KC had some kind of great improvement on. INTs and 3rd down percentage. The fact is there was no great improvement. There was actually very little improvement.

But lets add to that KC improvement.

2004 sacks by KCs D- 41 2005 sacks- 29

Now how can that be when you guys had the great Allen, D.Johnson, and Kedrell Bell?

But hell, even with those great improments on your pass D, you guys managed to move up to 30th from 32nd. Now let me guess, 2 spots is a great improvment right?


Bottom line is, KCs D had a slight improvement 'Overall'. Nothing to write home about, and nothing to brag about, and certainly nothing to give anyone the belief that they will make it to 15th or better in total Defense.

33 ypg and 1.6 ypa is definately a big improvement.

[Sarcastro]

Now you brought up Saunders. Now we will have to hear about how Saunders really didn't have much to do with how well the offense played, and their new OC will be just as good, if not better and Saunders.

This is great. You guys don't have a leg to stand on so you just try to change the subject.

[ward63]

I don't really mind Golic, but Salisbury needs to be thrown out the door...He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. I also have respect for Golic, b/c he worked for all that he's got and knows mostly bout what he's talking about...

[watermock]

You don't get it yet do you. I thought they had a good chance to get to the SuperBowl in 2004, not November 2005. Of course I signed the death certificate in November 2005. Well, did you make the playoffs?

KC had a formidable offense three years ago, they don't now.

[shakenbake]

I don't think you realize how huge 50 yards a game is. It can be the difference between winning and losing.

I'm going to guess that it was one of the largest improvements in the league last year. I doubt I'm wrong, but I'll let someone else do the dirty work this time if they want to prove it.

Do you now lose 50yds a game on O with the loss of Saunders ? Because that would be HUGE.

[GreatBronco16]

33 ypg and 1.6 ypa is definately a big improvement.

You like boob, totally missed the point of that post. Go figure.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

KC had a formidable offense three years ago, they don't now.

:rofl:

Look, just to make it clear, here is what happened.

November 2005 - you "signed the death certificate" for the Chiefs offense.

End of 2005 season - Chiefs ranked #1 in the NFL in offense.

You are dumb. End of story.

[Sarcastro]

You don't get it yet do you. I thought they had a good chance to get to the SuperBowl in 2004, not November 2005. Of course I signed the death certificate in November 2005. Well, did you make the playoffs?

KC had a formidable offense three years ago, they don't now.

This is more Maner bull****.

[Sarcastro]

You like boob, totally missed the point of that post. Go figure.

Not really. Your point is that the Chiefs defense must suck because it is the Chiefs defense. Any stats that contradict this are ignored or disregarded since they don't agree with your initial belief. You are essentially putting the cart before the horse.

We improved in just about every defensive statistic but sacks, and even with less sacks our pass defense was much better. Some improvements were relatively minor, but still progress, while some were huge. Together they added up to a mammoth improvement in scoring defense.

Also, one of the things you forgot to note is that our 3rd down percentage was already pretty decent in 2004 at 38.4%. That was good enough for 20th in the league. In 2005 we improved spots to 15th in the league at 37.9%. Again, all this does is support our argument that our defense was not bad, but in fact altogether average. A big improvement from 2004, and enough reason for us to be optimistic for more improvement next season.

[watermock]

That's fine Boob. Since K.C. missed even getting a wild card I am not sure what death sentence you want.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That's fine Boob. Since K.C. missed even getting a wild card I am not sure what death sentence you want.

How about none? The offense is clearly far removed from "death." The defense is growing up.

You might want to sign a death certificate for Jake Plummer's career. I think Cutler already inked that, though.

[shakenbake]

Indy impoved by 63yds per game

[shakenbake]

Carolina impoved by 54 yds per game

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Indy impoved by 63yds per game

Was that the largest? If so, I was correct in my assumption that KC's improvent was one of the largest.

[GreatBronco16]

Not really. Your point is that the Chiefs defense must suck because it is the Chiefs defense. Any stats that contradict this are ignored or disregarded since they don't agree with your initial belief. You are essentially putting the cart before the horse.


Nope you missed it again. Like I had already said, that post of mine was in direct response to boob claiming that the INTs and 3rd down conversion was greatly improved from 2004 to 2005. I showed that there was no 'big' time improvement. And now, you're just rambling on doing nothing more than showing that the improvement was not all that great. It was very mediocre at best.

But yeah, please continue on showing and bragging about this mediocrity known as KCs defense.

[shakenbake]

Chicago impoved by 55 yds per game

[shakenbake]

New Orleans 71 yds per game

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That will be all, shakenbake. Thankyou.

[Sarcastro]

Nope you missed it again. Like I had already said, that post of mine was in direct response to boob claiming that the INTs and 3rd down conversion was greatly improved from 2004 to 2005. I showed that there was no 'big' time improvement. And now, you're just rambling on doing nothing more than showing that the improvement was not all that great. It was very mediocre at best.

But yeah, please continue on showing and bragging about this mediocrity known as KCs defense.

Stating something does not make it true. Try to actually backup your claims with something other then the fact it is your personal biased opinion.

[Spider]

LOL Chief fan still trying to tell us thier Defense doesnt suck and has improved , and a down of football hasnt been played yet this year .........Amazing .......If Chief fan was smart , they would use thier ESP to pick winning lotto #'s ......

[shakenbake]

Its hard not to impove when your last 2nd to last in the league in total defense.

[shakenbake]

That will be all, shakenbake. Thankyou.

I think that is all that had more than 50yds per game improvement. It looks like quite a few had between 40-50yds per game improvement though.

[shakenbake]

New Orleans Defense is probably gonna be pretty amazing this year guys. They improved by 71 yds per game last year. logically, I think they will have one of the top units in the league.

[ward63]

To be honest, I don't really want to here anything from Chief fans until they make the playoffs for once. To be truthfully honest, I don't want to here Chief fans AT ALL!!!

[GreatBronco16]

Stating something does not make it true. Try to actually backup your claims with something other then the fact it is your personal biased opinion.


Umm I did back it up. I gave the numbers in my post. Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

To be honest, I don't really want to here anything from Chief fans until they make the playoffs for once. To be truthfully honest, I don't want to here Chief fans AT ALL!!!

Shattering your perfect world is what we do best.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Umm I did back it up. I gave the numbers in my post. Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
None of your numbers really prove anything. I admit I was wrong about third down conversion and interceptions, but we did improve significantly in passing yards allowed and there was a huge improvement in QB rating against. Therefore, we did improve. And not just by a little. By a lot. That's why we went 10-6 instead of 7-9. Surely you can appreciate a three-game improvement as rather large.

[Spider]

Shattering your perfect world is what we do best.
I thought giving out your credit card # so women will talk to you is what you did best .......

[watermock]

This year the offense will explode now that Vermeil and Saunders are finally gone.

[Sarcastro]

New Orleans Defense is probably gonna be pretty amazing this year guys. They improved by 71 yds per game last year. logically, I think they will have one of the top units in the league.

They also gave up 24.9 ppg, 134 rush ypg, and were -21 int turnovers. Notice how in my post a few pages back I showed how the Chiefs have improved in basically every category, not just one.

Also, here are the teams that had more of an improvement from 2004 to 2005 in total defense then KC:

New Orleans: 383 ypg to 312 - 71 ypg

Colts: 370 to 307 - 63 ypg

Carolina: 336 to 282 - 54 ypg

Chicago: 332 to 281 - 51 ypg

Then KC: 377 to 328 - 49 ypg

Next closest is Oakland: 371 to 330 - 41 ypg

No others with 40 yards or more.

[shakenbake]

Bob I don't want to alarm you but the chiefs offense's yds per game went down by 31yds per game last year. 31 yds per game is a huge decrease.

[sirhcyennek81]

They also gave up 24.9 ppg, 134 rush ypg, and were -21 int turnovers. Notice how in my post a few pages back I showed how the Chiefs have improved in basically every category, not just one.

Also, here are the teams that had more of an improvement from 2004 to 2005 in total defense then KC:

New Orleans: 383 ypg to 312 - 71 ypg

Colts: 370 to 307 - 63 ypg

Carolina: 336 to 282 - 54 ypg

Chicago: 332 to 281 - 51 ypg

Then KC: 377 to 328 - 49 ypg

Next closest is Oakland: 371 to 330 - 41 ypg

No others with 40 yards or more.


Did the chiefs make the playoffs? No? Then who gives a **** how much their defense "improved"

:Broncos:

[Sarcastro]

Did the chiefs make the playoffs? No? Then who gives a **** how much their defense "improved"

:Broncos:

Haven't you heard? We actually get to have another season this year. Improvement from last season could actually continue into this one. Do I need to dumb it down a bit for you?

[shakenbake]

They also gave up 24.9 ppg, 134 rush ypg, and were -21 int turnovers. Notice how in my post a few pages back I showed how the Chiefs have improved in basically every category, not just one.

Also, here are the teams that had more of an improvement from 2004 to 2005 in total defense then KC:

New Orleans: 383 ypg to 312 - 71 ypg

Colts: 370 to 307 - 63 ypg

Carolina: 336 to 282 - 54 ypg

Chicago: 332 to 281 - 51 ypg

Then KC: 377 to 328 - 49 ypg

Next closest is Oakland: 371 to 330 - 41 ypg

No others with 40 yards or more.

The only thing im trying to point out is that stats in this scenario don't mean jack. Im not sure who said it but someone pointed out it is retarted to compare one year to the next because the variables aren't the same. They are independent from on another. The strength of the teams you face is differnt etc.

[Sarcastro]

The only thing im trying to point out is that stats don't mean jack. Im not sure who said it but someone pointed out it is retarted to compare one year to the next because the variables aren't the same. They are independent from on another. The strength of the teams you face are differnt etc.

Whoever said that is a dumbass. Also, using retarted instead of the correct retarded is pretty retarded as well.

[sirhcyennek81]

Haven't you heard? We actually get to have another season this year. Improvement from last season could actually continue into this one. Do I need to dumb it down a bit for you?



Said the chief fan...who is using stats to somehow make the case that the chiefs are a good team. You did not have enough wins to make the postseason. You got shredded on the ground by denver twice, and the giants. You win 2 of those 3 games, you make the playoffs. Your lack of defense prevented you from going. Does this dumb it down for you?

:Broncos:

[Spider]

Whoever said that is a dumbass. Also, using retarted instead of the correct retarded is pretty retarded as well.
Spelling Smack ....... go get em Sarcastro ......... Might as well cause your football argument is shít son .......

[Sarcastro]

Said the chief fan...who is using stats to somehow make the case that the chiefs are a good team. You did not have enough wins to make the postseason. You got shredded on the ground by denver twice, and the giants. You win 2 of those 3 games, you make the playoffs. Your lack of defense prevented you from going. Does this dumb it down for you?

:Broncos:

FYI, before going 13-3 and to the AFC-Championship this year the Broncos went 10-6 the previous season. The Steelers went 11-5 and got a WC while playing in a weaker division then the Chiefs. Then they wont the SuperBowl.

The game that really cost KC a postseason birth was our 14-3 loss at Buffalo.

[Sarcastro]

Spelling Smack ....... go get em Sarcastro ......... Might as well cause your football argument is shít son .......

I guess I need to post this again. Simple stating that something is such a thing is not actual evidence that your statement is correct. You are not presenting a cogent argument Spider.

[Sarcastro]

Said the chief fan...who is using stats to somehow make the case that the chiefs are a good team. You did not have enough wins to make the postseason. You got shredded on the ground by denver twice, and the giants. You win 2 of those 3 games, you make the playoffs. Your lack of defense prevented you from going. Does this dumb it down for you?

:Broncos:

I am using stats to show that our defense had significant improvement last season. Where did I state that KC is a good team?

[Spider]

I guess I need to post this again. Simple stating that something is such a thing is not actual evidence that your statement is correct. You are not presenting a cogent argument Spider.
could you post it a couple more times .I still dont get it ......

[Sarcastro]

could you post it a couple more times .I still dont get it ......

Not a surprise.

It is ok Spider. Every single one of God's creatures is special in its own way.

[Spider]

Not a surprise.

It is ok Spider. Every single one of God's creatures are special in his own way.
thats true Chief fans are living proof of that . or that Indians raped Buffalo ......

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob I don't want to alarm you but the chiefs offense's yds per game went down by 31yds per game last year. 31 yds per game is a huge decrease.

This is true. However, they still ranked #1 in the league.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

thats true Chief fans are living proof of that . or that Indians raped Buffalo ......

I will give you credit because that was original and funny. Much better than your tired old routine of Mullets, Camaros and images from your hard drive.

[Spider]

I will give you credit because that was original and funny. Much better than your tired old routine of Mullets, Camaros and images from your hard drive.
Yeah my life is now complete ....... Bob gives me credit ..........:approve:

[Sarcastro]

I will give you credit because that was original and funny. Much better than your tired old routine of Mullets, Camaros and images from your hard drive.

He has come a long way since the 2003-2004 seasons. Back then his posts consisted of 90% smilies.

[sirhcyennek81]

FYI, before going 13-3 and to the AFC-Championship this year the Broncos went 10-6 the previous season. The Steelers went 11-5 and got a WC while playing in a weaker division then the Chiefs. Then they wont the SuperBowl.

The game that really cost KC a postseason birth was our 14-3 loss at Buffalo.


Denver went 10-6, made the postseason, and had better defensive stats then KC did last year. You lost to Philly by 6, (37-31),to SD by 8, (28-20), Buffalo by 11 (14-3), Cowboys by 3, (31-28), and NY by 10, (27-17) In all of these games, your "improved" defense let you down. But be happy with the stats. Thats all you have as a Chief fan.


:Broncos:

[Spider]

He has come a long way since the 2003-2004 seasons. Back then his posts consisted of 90% smilies.
Ijust wish you would have joined the journy ..Cause your takes are weak tonight

[kamakazi_kal]

why are their so many chief fans on this site........ no raiders..... no chargers.......... just a bunch of stat tossin chief fans,

kc fans...... all that great improvment from last year means nothing this year...... add to the fact you didnt make the playoffs it means even less....

i cant wait for the preseason...

[watermock]

Stats are for losers.

[Sarcastro]

Denver went 10-6, made the postseason, and had better defensive stats then KC did last year. You lost to Philly by 6, (37-31),to SD by 8, (28-20), Buffalo by 11 (14-3), Cowboys by 3, (31-28), and NY by 10, (27-17) In all of these games, your "improved" defense let you down. But be happy with the stats. Thats all you have as a Chief fan.


:Broncos:

You are correct. Denver did go 10-6. They then went 13-3 the next season and went to the AFC-Championship. Interestingly enough, twice in 2004 the Broncos gave up more points in a game then KC gave up in any game in 2005.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Denver went 10-6, made the postseason, and had better defensive stats then KC did last year. You lost to Philly by 6, (37-31),to SD by 8, (28-20), Buffalo by 11 (14-3), Cowboys by 3, (31-28), and NY by 10, (27-17) In all of these games, your "improved" defense let you down. But be happy with the stats. Thats all you have as a Chief fan.


:Broncos:

Actually in four of those games the offense had an equal share in the loss. Against Philly and San Diego the offense farted around and did nothing for a half. Against New York and Buffalo they just flat out sucked.

[shakenbake]

Ok I spelled a word wrong it doesn't change the fact that you really can't compare one season to the next statistically because the variables aren't the same.

[sirhcyennek81]

You are correct. Denver did go 10-6. They then went 13-3 the next season and went to the AFC-Championship. Interestingly enough, twice in 2004 the Broncos gave up more points in a game then KC gave up in any game in 2005.


Key being...we made the playoffs, while the Chiefs did not. Both years we went to Indi in the playoffs, we had a statistically high ranked pass defense. Got smoked anyway. Stats really do not matter other then PPG scored, and PPG allowed.

:Broncos:

[Sarcastro]

So the Mane response consists of "stats are for losers" and "improvement means nothing."

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I guess this means Plummer will throw 20 picks next year. The variables are different.

[Steve Sewell]

Son of a b****! That game was even more awful than I remember.

Anyway, I'm not bragging. I'm simply trying to get Bronco fans to accept fact. The career day defense is dead. We were mediocre last year, and I expect an improvement to "good" this year.

You keep saying you "expect" the Chumps D to be good next year. Can you explain why you feel this way? What exactly has been added that makes you think that they'll be good? Your defensive line is absolutely pathetic and nothing has changed from last year to this year.

[Spider]

So the Mane response consists of "stats are for losers" and "improvement means nothing."
improvment doesnt mean a thing if you dont do anything with it ........
then there is degrees of improvments , Take the panthers a few years ago , started out like crap .. wound up going to the sb , now thats improvment ........

[sirhcyennek81]

Actually in four of those games the offense had an equal share in the loss. Against Philly and San Diego the offense farted around and did nothing for a half. Against New York and Buffalo they just flat out sucked.


So...the chief defense did not allow the Eagles to not only come back, but win the game in a half? Same with the Giants game. You had a lead in the 3rd qtr. What happened? Your run D cracked. The buffalo game made no sense to me. The bills offense was like a crackhoe on a no carbs diet, and still managed to put up 14 points. You win ANY of those 4 games, Pittsburgh does not make the playoffs, and you guys do. That has to hurt.

:Broncos:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You keep saying you "expect" the Chumps D to be good next year. Can you explain why you feel this way? What exactly has been added that makes you think that they'll be good? Your defensive line is absolutely pathetic and nothing has changed from last year to this year.

You're wrong, of course. We overhauled nearly the entire defensive coaching staff. We've finally got a defensive-minded head coach to hold Gunther's hand. And last, but not least, we added two very talented defenders in the draft. Both are going to see alot of playing time.

[Spider]

I guess this means Plummer will throw 20 picks next year. The variables are different.
I dont care how many pics jake throws as long as we win .........Shannahan may think different though .........

[sirhcyennek81]

So the Mane response consists of "stats are for losers" and "improvement means nothing."


Did the improvement get you to the playoffs? No? Then it does not mean dick.


:Broncos:

[Steve Sewell]

Actually to a lot of people, mediocrity does suck. It's just an upper level of suckiness.

And I'm laughing my ass off at the 'Defense is returning to Kansas City" remark.Hilarious!

Mediocrity is the standard in KC. It's what Lamar and Carl strive for (or so it seems...maybe they are just incompetent boobs like Bobby).

Thankfully, the Broncos have people in the organization that care about winning...every freaking year. It's good to be a Bronco fan.8')