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baja
07-01-2006, 08:11 PM
Open Poll, you are on record....

BABronco
07-01-2006, 08:16 PM
...Gonna be a hell of a qb in a couple years.

watermock
07-01-2006, 08:17 PM
My opinion of Cutler is that he has all the talent of Elway but has better touch. .

Garcia Bronco
07-01-2006, 08:26 PM
I think he was a steal..and a worth while gamble. We had to wait a year to see what we would do with the extra pick...now we have to wait even longer to see the pick in action...PRE-SEASON!

epicSocialism4tw
07-01-2006, 08:27 PM
My opinion of Cutler is that he is not Elway and never be Elway, so get over it. ;D

No1BroncoFan
07-01-2006, 08:43 PM
My opinion of Cutler is that he is not Elway and never be Elway, so get over it. ;D
Amen.

I don't think Cutler was a bad pick at all. If Shanny is patient and allows the guy to develope, he could be a great NFL talent. If he throws hi in too early, he could flame out under the pressure. He's not Elway, and for that he'll likely be crucified by the fans in this town who just can't seem to realize that there will never be another Elway.

Honestly, if Cutler has bad games in the playoffs two years running I'll bet TJ paints a 6 on a rock and uses it as an avatar.

Ben

BroncoBuff
07-01-2006, 09:31 PM
He's got it all. His future's so bright, he's gotta wear 8')

shakenbake
07-01-2006, 09:35 PM
Gay

TheDave
07-01-2006, 09:38 PM
[Homer Mode: ON] I think Cutler is the next Brett Farve [Homer Mode: OFF]

baja
07-01-2006, 09:43 PM
[Homer Mode: ON] I think Cutler is the next Brett Farve [Homer Mode: OFF]

Imagine the years of glory with Culter passing to the uncoverable Watts.

epicSocialism4tw
07-01-2006, 09:46 PM
Imagine the years of glory with Culter passing to the uncoverable Watts.

Egads! It's Montana to Rice!

Hulamau
07-01-2006, 09:49 PM
Amen.

I don't think Cutler was a bad pick at all. If Shanny is patient and allows the guy to develope, he could be a great NFL talent. If he throws hi in too early, he could flame out under the pressure. He's not Elway, and for that he'll likely be crucified by the fans in this town who just can't seem to realize that there will never be another Elway.

Honestly, if Cutler has bad games in the playoffs two years running I'll bet TJ paints a 6 on a rock and uses it as an avatar.

Ben


No way the fans crucify him unless he really stinks and doesn't improve over his first year or two on the field.

No one will be another Elway, Elway will always be the first God of the Rockies, but Cutler has all the tools to be in the same league and maybe even better ... you never know.

From looking closely at his college career and playing uphill against top level competition for four years, we have every right to be enthusiastic about his propects.

Anyone who can watch him take Tennessee apart and a few other teams last year and not see a rare talent is blind.

Whether or not that talent explodes into super-stardom here depends on too many factors to predict with certainty, but stepping up and drafting Cutler was the best move Shanny could have made with the ammo he had this year, and I suspect we will be indebted for a long time to him for pulling the trigger.

When Elway came to town teh Broncos were a strugglling middle of the road team at best, with a lot of holes to fill and he was thrown in the fire immediately with a coach who never really utilized Elway's true talents to the max.

Cutler comes to a championship quality team in all three phases and much better coaching and a good QB starter all around to help him excel which almost NEVER happens for a franchise caliber rookie QB.

If we can keep the same staff around for the next 5 or 6 years while he fully matures and hopefully wins a couple of SBs along the way, and Bowlen/Shanny (or whomever succeeds him as coach) remains as savvy at keeping great talent and a high level of consistency here throughout Cutlers career, there is no reason people wont be talking about Cutler in the same breath with Elway, Marino and Montana in 15 or so years

How many championships we win is anyone's guess as there are far too many variables with the whole team over such a long time, but Cutler is likely going to have every opportunity in the world to break all kinds of records here and I'm happy as a clam about the prospect.

It would be great if PLummer could win one this year to fulfill much of his career and get that monkey off his back, but even so his days are numbered here just by the nature of the situation.

Plummer can win with the right mix of solid team play and great play-calling but he's never going to be the kind of guy we can expect to win in all sorts of circumnstances when things arent going our way.

Cutler has that rare potential, and the thing I like most is his competitive toughness and total cool under fire. .. a trait that will come in handy in the early years.

Finally, Denver fans have had enough time and distance now from the Elway era, and after two QBs I trust Cutler will get a little more leeway to learn and make a few mistakes than either Griese or Plummer had. Remember Plummer came here as a 6 year vet ... not a rookie.... so expectations were a lot higher right away.

Taco John
07-01-2006, 09:51 PM
Honestly, if Cutler has bad games in the playoffs two years running I'll bet TJ paints a 6 on a rock and uses it as an avatar.



Only if he looks as inept as Plummer looked from Nov 2004 - Jan 2005. Plummer still hasn't proven that image wrong, given he almost threw away the New England game, and managed to turn the ball over 4 times against Pittsburgh.

The guy had a great 2006 season, and deserves credit for it. He just needs to transfer his "No Mistake Jake" act to the post season.

TheDave
07-01-2006, 09:54 PM
Imagine the years of glory with Culter passing to the uncoverable Watts.

Like he doesn't have enough problems catching balls from Plummer... No way the claw stands up to Cutlers gun ROFL!

scorpio
07-01-2006, 09:55 PM
Without getting too ahead of myself, I believe Cutler will be a new Messiah who leads his people (not just Bronco fans, but all the people of Earth) out of suffering and into a new golden age of humanity.








/heresy off

epicSocialism4tw
07-01-2006, 10:01 PM
No way the fans crucify him unless he really stinks and doesn't improve over his first year or two on the field.

No one will be another Elway, Elway will always be the first God of the Rockies, but Cutler has all the tools to be in the same league and maybe even better ... you never know.

From looking closely at his college career and playing uphill against top level competition for four years, we have every right to be enthusiastic about his propects.

Anyone who can watch him take Tennessee apart and a few other teams last year and not see a rare talent is blind.

Whether or not that talent explodes into super-stardom here depends on too many factors to predict with certainty, but stepping up and drafting Cutler was the best move Shanny could have made with the ammo he had this year, and I suspect we will be indebted for a long time to him for pulling the trigger.

When Elway came to town teh Broncos were a strugglling middle of the road team at best, with a lot of holes to fill and he was thrown in the fire immediately with a coach who never really utilized Elway's true talents to the max.

Cutler comes to a championship quality team in all three phases and much better coaching and a good QB starter all around to help him excel which almost NEVER happens for a franchise caliber rookie QB.

If we can keep the same staff around for the next 5 or 6 years while he fully matures and hopefully wins a couple of SBs along the way, and Bowlen/Shanny (or whomever succeeds him as coach) remains as savvy at keeping great talent and a high level of consistency here throughout Cutlers career, there is no reason people wont be talking about Cutler in the same breath with Elway, Marino and Montana in 15 or so years

How many championships we win is anyone's guess as there are far too many variables with the whole team over such a long time, but Cutler is likely going to have every opportunity in the world to break all kinds of records here and I'm happy as a clam about the prospect.

It would be great if PLummer could win one this year to fulfill much of his career and get that monkey off his back, but even so his days are numbered here just by the nature of the situation.

Plummer can win with the right mix of solid team play and great play-calling but he's never going to be the kind of guy we can expect to win in all sorts of circumnstances when things arent going our way.

Cutler has that rare potential, and the thing I like most is his competitive toughness and total cool under fire. .. a trait that will come in handy in the early years.

Finally, Denver fans have had enough time and distance now from the Elway era, and after two QBs I trust Cutler will get a little more leeway to learn and make a few mistakes than either Griese or Plummer had. Remember Plummer came here as a 6 year vet ... not a rookie.... so expectations were a lot higher right away.

Your optimistic perspective on this situation is pleasant to read :)

I think that coming into a winning franchise will be a positive for Jay. But, if he flubs it up and brings the team down ala Kyle Boller, he could ruin himself pretty quickly. That is a realistic outcome given the uncertainty of rookie success in the NFL.

The bad thing for Jay is that if he crahses and burns, the Elway-spoiled Denverites will barbeque him hourly for years.

Blueflame
07-01-2006, 10:16 PM
Cutler has a lot of upside... he's a solid QBOTF and I'd like to see the coaches have the luxury of taking all the time they need in grooming him for the role. Till then, he's a solid backup... certainly a much more attractive option than depending on... oh, Danny Kanell... in the event that the injury bug does happen to hit at the QB position. We've been lucky re: QB health... but it will be nice to have "insurance"...

Kaylore
07-01-2006, 10:31 PM
Cutler has a lot of upside... he's a solid QBOTF and I'd like to see the coaches have the luxury of taking all the time they need in grooming him for the role. Till then, he's a solid backup... certainly a much more attractive option than depending on... oh, Danny Kanell... in the event that the injury bug does happen to hit at the QB position. We've been lucky re: QB health... but it will be nice to have "insurance"... Good post.

I voted for the gamble option, since we don't know if he'll pan out. If I could have named the poll myself it would have read: "A worthwhile gamble with huge upside."

baja
07-01-2006, 10:48 PM
Good post.

I voted for the gamble option, since we don't know if he'll pan out. If I could have named the poll myself it would have read: "A worthwhile gable with huge upside."

What makes a worthwhile gamble, by definition, worthwhile is it's upside, so to add "with huge upside" to the option would be redundant IMO

Kaylore
07-01-2006, 11:12 PM
What makes a worthwhile gamble, by definition, worthwhile is it's upside, so to add "with huge upside" to the option would be redundant IMO Ok "a very very worthwhile" gamble. Are you happy? Besides not all gambles have the same upside. A worthwhile gamble just means that you'll likely get something good back and doesn't quantify the return.

I win. You lose. You are made of poo.Nnyah!

baja
07-01-2006, 11:18 PM
Ok "a very very worthwhile" gamble. Are you happy? Besides not all gambles have the same upside. A worthwhile gamble just means that you'll likely get something good back and doesn't quantify the return.

I win. You lose. You are made of poo.Nnyah!

Well! I'm gonna buy that Rolex from that girl you work with that you don't like for that...

watermock
07-01-2006, 11:19 PM
I know is I kept seeing Jay pitching it to VD and him abusing people.

Kaylore
07-01-2006, 11:21 PM
Well! I'm gonna buy that Rolex from that girl you work with that you don't like for that...
NO!!!!

baja
07-01-2006, 11:22 PM
Lol!

Arkie
07-01-2006, 11:25 PM
Like he doesn't have enough problems catching balls from Plummer... No way the claw stands up to Cutlers gun ROFL!

Watts had no problem with Leftwich's gun.

Florida_Bronco
07-01-2006, 11:25 PM
I know is I kept seeing Jay pitching it to VD and him abusing people.

Mock, we didn't get Vernon Davis, get over it already.

ludo21
07-01-2006, 11:26 PM
A very good pick.

We are still a Championship team, we did a good job of setting ourselvs up for the future.

Cito Pelon
07-01-2006, 11:27 PM
I'm looking forward to what Jake can do this year. This debate is fine, but we do have to wait and see what Jake can do with some new faces on O.

Odysseus
07-01-2006, 11:27 PM
This kid is UBER competitive. He's smart, big arm, and willing to take a punch to deliver a knockout. He has leadership skills. He can take a punch. I see him more of a pocket passer than Jake but still able to run the tough yards. I think people will like him as a person as he knows how to deal with the press.

I think being behind Jake Plummer is a tough deal. People are going to want to push him out too early. Sports writers make a living off of pissing off or pumping up fans. Everybody seems to forget in a "win now" league that continuity is actually a pretty big deal. Ask Cowher. Ask Shanahan. That Walrus guy didn't do too badly.

It's not easy reading defenses. They actually pay a whole lot of guys to get a bead on you and to trick you into thinking it is one kind of defense when it's not. Throwing a ball is the simple stuff.

If Jay learns to chew up the short game Broncos running backs will continue to dominate the league for years to come setting up the killshot. Rod Smith at age 52 sitting in lounge chair in the end zone. Touchdown!

(No knock on Rod. I seriously hope he plays three more solid years. You cannot buy that kind of attitude.)

Clockwork Orange
07-01-2006, 11:28 PM
CutlerNextKyleBoller

watermock
07-01-2006, 11:28 PM
Ok "a very very worthwhile" gamble. Are you happy? Besides not all gambles have the same upside. A worthwhile gamble just means that you'll likely get something good back and doesn't quantify the return.

I win. You lose. You are made of poo.Nnyah!

You are in a postition to dictate nothing. I, on the other hand and the other hand, am in a positon to dictate everything. Let me explain this my good friend...Portis was never traded for Cutler, that was a lie...A LIE DAMN YOU!...wHEN THE FEDERATIONS MADE A PACT IT WAS THAT THE MUTANTS WOULD BE PUT ON APHPHA 4.

"We can just roll in with heat sensors and put dead people to take over the ship"

baja
07-01-2006, 11:34 PM
You are in a postition to dictate nothing. I, on the other hand and the other hand, am in a positon to dictate everything. Let me explain this my good friend...Portis was never traded for Cutler, that was a lie...A LIE DAMN YOU!...wHEN THE FEDERATIONS MADE A PACT IT WAS THAT THE MUTANTS WOULD BE PUT ON APHPHA 4.

"We can just roll in with heat sensors and put dead people to take over the ship"

Clearly that was more that an ordinary sugar cube

Bob's your Information Minister
07-02-2006, 12:02 AM
...dreamy

Florida_Bronco
07-02-2006, 12:19 AM
...dreamy

Figures you would say something like that.

Bronco Billy
07-02-2006, 12:44 AM
Isn't Cutler already tied with Todd Marinovich in Wins and TDs?!

It's after 1 and haven't taken a shot at the Faiders yet. Just making up for lost time.

No1BroncoFan
07-02-2006, 02:56 AM
No way the fans crucify him unless he really stinks and doesn't improve over his first year or two on the field. I'm not so sure. Jake didn't "really stink" in his first year here and he's improved every season yet he's been getting killed around here for over a year.

Ben

Taco John
07-02-2006, 04:35 AM
I'm not so sure. Jake didn't "really stink" in his first year here and he's improved every season yet he's been getting killed around here for over a year.

Ben


Jake is definitely one of the best regular season quarterbacks in Broncos history.

elsid13
07-02-2006, 06:42 AM
Cutler has opportunity to be very good/special QB in the league. There were 2 QB (Whitehurst/Culter) drafted this year that I thought would help Denver in future, because how their skills translated to pro-game. Cutler has the arm, release, mobility and ability to throw of his back foot to very good in in current system. The key will how well the QB coach - Pat ???- helps him learn his reads.

Arkansas Bronco
07-02-2006, 07:05 AM
Freakin un-believers. He will be the man and thats a fact.

fdf
07-02-2006, 07:35 AM
Cutler has opportunity to be very good/special QB in the league. There were 2 QB (Whitehurst/Culter) drafted this year that I thought would help Denver in future, because how their skills translated to pro-game. Cutler has the arm, release, mobility and ability to throw of his back foot to very good in in current system. The key will how well the QB coach - Pat ???- helps him learn his reads.

In some of the footage the mane has links to, the most impressive thing about Plummer is his field sense. He stares at one guy--I'm thinking, he locks in on a receiver like Jake, we're going to have to fix that--then at the last second, the ball goes bullseye to someone on the opposite side of the field. I have no idea how he even knew the guy was open as he had not looked that way the entire time. I saw him do this three or four times.

baja
07-02-2006, 07:50 AM
In some of the footage the mane has links to, the most impressive thing about Plummer is his field sense. He stares at one guy--I'm thinking, he locks in on a receiver like Jake, we're going to have to fix that--then at the last second, the ball goes bullseye to someone on the opposite side of the field. I have no idea how he even knew the guy was open as he had not looked that way the entire time. I saw him do this three or four times.

He had the operation, he has fly eyes put in.


http://www.rth.org/nathist/giantfly.jpg

Meck77
07-02-2006, 11:35 AM
Had the orangemane been around in the mid 90's I know I'd be reading threads like "Elway can't get the job done".

Or something like this from TJ.

"Elway is definitely one of the best playoff quarterbacks in Broncos history except for Superbowls."

We were pretty damn close last year. My problem isn't with Jake and I can give a rats ass when Cutler steps in. He'll come in when the conditions are right. In the meantime we need to focus on this season and ****ing lelie needs to pull his head out of his ass.

Elway spoiled the hell out of us Broncos fans.

BABronco
07-02-2006, 12:20 PM
Elway spoiled the hell out of us Broncos fans.
Ya think?

No1BroncoFan
07-02-2006, 12:23 PM
Jake is definitely one of the best regular season quarterbacks in Broncos history. Yep. Which is why Shanny will continue to start Jake until Cutler is ready to face an entire NFL season. He's our best option to get us to the playoffs, regardless of the post-season. Cutler will take the job if/when he becomes the best chance to win, not because Jake has a bad game.

Ben

No1BroncoFan
07-02-2006, 12:24 PM
Or something like this from TJ.

"Elway is definitely one of the best playoff quarterbacks in Broncos history except for Superbowls."
;D

Ben

SureShot
07-02-2006, 12:29 PM
CutlerNextKyleBoller


YouAreHigh

HEAV
07-02-2006, 12:57 PM
Cutler was and is the most overrated QB in the 2006 draft.

He's going to be a Boller,Akli Smith,Couch,Rick Mirer............

Big Ben has been luck to have a great defense and solid running game to back hi up. He had the worst super bowl performance ever (beat out Elway) yet still won the game on the play Heinz Ward and the Steelers defense.

First round qb's aren't what they used to be. Even #1 picks bust.

baja
07-02-2006, 01:01 PM
Cutler was and is the most overrated QB in the 2006 draft.

He's going to be a Boller,Akli Smith,Couch,Rick Mirer............

Big Ben has been luck to have a great defense and solid running game to back hi up. He had the worst super bowl performance ever (beat out Elway) yet still won the game on the play Heinz Ward and the Steelers defense.

First round qb's aren't what they used to be. Even #1 picks bust.

Just for the heck of it I'll save this.

search cutlerbust

watermock
07-02-2006, 01:02 PM
What exactly do you base that on if I may ask. I can't wait to pull this up in 4 years.

Gcver2ver3
07-02-2006, 01:39 PM
I have no idea how the kid will do.....

I never watched him in college....and even if i did i still wouldn't know...

so even though i have no idea....i put my homer hat on and voted that he's a worthwhile gamble.....

Taco John
07-02-2006, 01:56 PM
Had the orangemane been around in the mid 90's I know I'd be reading threads like "Elway can't get the job done".

Or something like this from TJ.

"Elway is definitely one of the best playoff quarterbacks in Broncos history except for Superbowls."

We were pretty damn close last year. My problem isn't with Jake and I can give a rats ass when Cutler steps in. He'll come in when the conditions are right. In the meantime we need to focus on this season and ****ing lelie needs to pull his head out of his ass.

Elway spoiled the hell out of us Broncos fans.


Hardly. I defended Elway to a fault, because we'd have never made it to a Superbowl without his extraordinary talent and effort getting us there against all odds. Add to that the fact that the NFC was such a dominant conference during that time period. Oh, and let's not forget that he is clearly a superior quarterback talent. You think Indianapolis fans are ready to bail on Peyton Manning because of his playoff struggles? Of course not. Manning is clearly a superior talent.

Elway was never once the weakest link on our squad. Whether Jake Plummer is or not is open to debate. That was never the case with Elway.

Here's hoping that Plummer spoils us this post season, instead of spoils the post season.

TheDave
07-02-2006, 02:09 PM
Watts had no problem with Leftwich's gun.

Leftwich has a gun???


Originally Posted by HEAV
Cutler was and is the most overrated QB in the 2006 draft.

He's going to be a Boller,Akli Smith,Couch,Rick Mirer............

Big Ben has been luck to have a great defense and solid running game to back hi up. He had the worst super bowl performance ever (beat out Elway) yet still won the game on the play Heinz Ward and the Steelers defense.

First round qb's aren't what they used to be. Even #1 picks bust.

Looks like it's time for someone to go update their fire shanahan site

baja
07-02-2006, 03:14 PM
POLL so far;


Wow! A full 50% (36 votes) think Cutler was the steal of the draft and destined to be a star.

Another 46% (33 votes) think Cutler was a worthwhile gamble

While only 4% (3 votes, one was a Raider fan) think the timing was bad.

High expectations for Jay.

Clockwork Orange
07-02-2006, 03:21 PM
YouAreHigh

You're right, all 1st round QB's turn out to be great. Especially guys who magically rocket up the draft boards because of guys like Mike Mayock slobbering all over them.

But hey, we've got people here who are already ready to anoint him the next Elway, so by all means, don't let me ruin your fantasies.

I think it was worth the gamble simply because I don't mind a team taking a chance on finding greatness. I'm simply not quite as convinced as some others that Cutler is going to be our savior.

Clockwork Orange
07-02-2006, 03:25 PM
Hardly. I defended Elway to a fault, because we'd have never made it to a Superbowl without his extraordinary talent and effort getting us there against all odds. Add to that the fact that the NFC was such a dominant conference during that time period. Oh, and let's not forget that he is clearly a superior quarterback talent. You think Indianapolis fans are ready to bail on Peyton Manning because of his playoff struggles? Of course not. Manning is clearly a superior talent.

Elway was never once the weakest link on our squad. Whether Jake Plummer is or not is open to debate. That was never the case with Elway.

Here's hoping that Plummer spoils us this post season, instead of spoils the post season.

You defended Griese to a fault too and there was no question that he was the weakest link on the team.

baja
07-02-2006, 03:28 PM
You're right, all 1st round QB's turn out to be great. Especially guys who magically rocket up the draft boards because of guys like Mike Mayock slobbering all over them.

But hey, we've got people here who are already ready to anoint him the next Elway, so by all means, don't let me ruin your fantasies.

I think it was worth the gamble simply because I don't mind a team taking a chance on finding greatness. I'm simply not quite as convinced as some others that Cutler is going to be our savior.

I wouldn't say that I am convinced that Cutler will be an elite QB as much as I am gitty with expectation that it is very possible.

Spider
07-02-2006, 03:32 PM
I think Jay will be a star , but then just about any QB out of this draft could be in Shannys system ....... I like Jake but he has alot of bad habits , Just take a look to where he has led us ..........

Clockwork Orange
07-02-2006, 03:34 PM
I wouldn't say that I am convinced that Cutler will be an elite QB as much as I am gitty with expectation that it is very possible.

Fair enough. I'm just tempering my enthusiasm quite a bit on Cutler until he shows something.

SoCalBronco
07-02-2006, 03:40 PM
It was definitely a worthwhile investment. I just wish we could have added White at 37 as well. Bunkley at 11 would also have been a worthwhile investment.

DenverBrit
07-02-2006, 03:53 PM
...dreamy


Was 'peachy' taken?

ZachKC
07-02-2006, 03:53 PM
Here's hoping that Plummer spoils us this post season, instead of spoils the post season.
Haha

labronx
07-02-2006, 04:45 PM
Jay Cutler is the first true FRANCHISE PLAYER that Shanny has ever drafted.

TD was not a FRANCHISE PLAYER when he was drafted.

Elway didn't even come gift wrapped like the amazingly talented, poise and born to lead QB that sort off fell on our laps.

I bet Cutler will pick up the system allot quicker than some of you expect.

He has the arm that will allow him to make a 9 yard rocket right inbetween the numbers to an unexpecting covered receiver on 2 and 10 when he swears he sees about 11 DBs and LBs blanketing his options and still sticks in inbetween the chest plate pads, he has the pocket awareness and poise that can buy him time in the pocket and deliver a 35 yard missle in stride when the CB mistakenly release the WR to the FS, with the ball getting there way before after the Safety broke on the pass. He can pick up the 8 yards on the ground to keep the drive alive on 3 and 7.

Yes Plummer can do this too SOMETIMES, Cutler can do this AT WILL.

Like Shanny said, with just a flick of the wrist.

I wasn't too overly impressed watching him at the Combine. He looked just like any other Kyle Boller, Tim Couch, David Carr, Ryan Leaf(Big Kid with a real Strong Arm).

But go back and watch his games last year. This guy is easily more polished than Young, and straight up better in every way than Leinart. Leinart may be smarter, and know a PRO Offense inside and out, but ask Griese how far brains can take you.

Jay Cutler is a Quaterback in the purest form.

SoCalBronco
07-02-2006, 04:55 PM
Jay Cutler is the first true FRANCHISE PLAYER that Shanny has ever drafted.

TD was not a FRANCHISE PLAYER when he was drafted.

Elway didn't even come gift wrapped like the amazingly talented, poise and born to lead QB that sort off fell on our laps.

I bet Cutler will pick up the system allot quicker than some of you expect.

He has the arm that will allow him to make a 9 yard rocket right inbetween the numbers to an unexpecting covered receiver on 2 and 10 when he swears he sees about 11 DBs and LBs blanketing his options and still sticks in inbetween the chest plate pads, he has the pocket awareness and poise that can buy him time in the pocket and deliver a 35 yard missle in stride when the CB mistakenly release the WR to the FS, with the ball getting there way before after the Safety broke on the pass. He can pick up the 8 yards on the ground to keep the drive alive on 3 and 7.

Yes Plummer can do this too SOMETIMES, Cutler can do this AT WILL.

Like Shanny said, with just a flick of the wrist.

I wasn't too overly impressed watching him at the Combine. He looked just like any other Kyle Boller, Tim Couch, David Carr, Ryan Leaf(Big Kid with a real Strong Arm).

But go back and watch his games last year. This guy is easily more polished than Young, and straight up better in every way than Leinart. Leinart may be smarter, and know a PRO Offense inside and out, but ask Griese how far brains can take you.

Jay Cutler is a Quaterback in the purest form.

Welcome to the board, Sloan Looney.

Kaylore
07-02-2006, 05:28 PM
Cutler was and is the most overrated QB in the 2006 draft.

He's going to be a Boller,Akli Smith,Couch,Rick Mirer............ I know you are a big Jake fan, and I respect that, but how exactly is Cutler overrated?
He played in the SEC, one of (if not THE) toughest divisions in college football where many teams use a pro-style defense, with future pro defenders.
He was voted offense player of the year by the SEC coaches. Tall praise coming from that division.
He played on a weak team with a crappy o-line and put up huge numbers. This isolates the production to him. Compare that to Leinert who plays in a crappy division and had an amazing O-line and Reggie Bush. It's harder to see where he begins and his teammates talent takes over.
He can make all the throws a pro QB can make. Accurate and fast.
He didn't play his entire career out of one formation or operate a gimmicky offense. He can work from under center, the shotgun, and play-action.
He is smart. His entire offense was based around reading defenses and calling audibles at the line.
He is physically gifted; Big arm, great size, athletic, ran the option and never missed a game due to injury.
He is the only QB of the big three that played in the Senior Bowl AND performed at the combine.I fail to see overrated anywhere there. He's given scouts every opportunity to evaluate him under a variety of different circumstances and scenarios, some not as favorable as others. There was no stone un-turned with this kid.

The two QB's who did hide themselves were Leinert and Young - only performing under structured practices created specifically to show off their good points. They both played behind great lines with great defenses and didn't play top quality opponents. If anyone has evidence of being overrated, it's those two.

Kyle Boller? Good grief! Billick picked him up because he could throw a football into the stands on one knee. When is that ever required of QB? Their circumstances are totally different from each other.

First round qb's aren't what they used to be. Even #1 picks bust. There are some duds, but there are a lot of good to great ones who are starting for pro teams right now. There aren't very many HOF QB's that weren't taken in the first round, either. I don't think it's because "they made them better back then".

Could Cutler bust? Of course he could. He has to prove it. But there isn't any evidence to suggest he's any more overrated than any of the other QB's taken in the draft.

Arkansas Bronco
07-02-2006, 07:43 PM
Fact is that it almost impossible to be SEC player of the year @Vandy. Cutler will prolly be the only one and he did that with a bunch of rejects. I think that if Cut would have been selected by a poor team he could have been ruined but that didnt happen instead he gets to come to the magical place that actualy made a QB out of Plummer. When he was a free agent he didnt get offered big money because everyone had doubts, now a kid that is raw with great talents come in and all I can think of is all the great things we will see from him one day.

BroncoBuff
07-02-2006, 07:48 PM
I know you are a big Jake fan, and I respect that, but how exactly is Cutler overrated?

He played in the SEC, one of (if not THE) toughest divisions in college football where many teams use a pro-style defense, with future pro defenders.
He was voted offense player of the year by the SEC coaches. Tall praise coming from that division.
He played on a weak team with a crappy o-line and put up huge numbers. This isolates the production to him. Compare that to Leinert who plays in a crappy division and had an amazing O-line and Reggie Bush. It's harder to see where he begins and his teammates talent takes over.
He can make all the throws a pro QB can make. Accurate and fast.
He didn't play his entire career out of one formation or operate a gimmicky offense. He can work from under center, the shotgun, and play-action.
He is smart. His entire offense was based around reading defenses and calling audibles at the line.
He is physically gifted; Big arm, great size, athletic, ran the option and never missed a game due to injury.
He is the only QB of the big three that played in the Senior Bowl AND performed at the combine.
As usual, sir .... every word is a GEM!

Cutler may turn out to be like Boller (doubt it) .... but he is NOT overrated.

BroncoBuff
07-02-2006, 07:52 PM
It was definitely a worthwhile investment. I just wish we could have added White at 37 as well. Bunkley at 11 would also have been a worthwhile investment.
BUNKLEY?! You're forgetting your roots, sir ... or should I say your rUtes ...

You don't see me pimping Fabian Washington, do you? :~ohyah!:

SoCalBronco
07-02-2006, 08:01 PM
BUNKLEY?! You're forgetting your roots, sir ... or should I say your rUtes ...

You don't see me pimping Fabian Washington, do you? :~ohyah!:

Eh, I put my loyalties aside when it comes to player evaluation. Sometimes a stud is just a stud even though they wear garnet and gold. By contrast, sometimes a POS is still a POS even though they wear green and orange (cough...Willis McGahee...cough, to clarify, I am not referring to Willis's talent or attitude with that characterization, but rather the fact that he is not a true Hurricane).

No1BroncoFan
07-02-2006, 08:17 PM
You defended Griese to a fault too and there was no question that he was the weakest link on the team.
And now he's trying to make up for it by blaming Jake far more than he deserves.

Ben

Florida_Bronco
07-02-2006, 08:23 PM
(cough...Willis McGahee...cough, to clarify, I am not referring to Willis's talent or attitude with that characterization, but rather the fact that he is not a true Hurricane).

Why is McGahee not a true Hurricane? Not disagreeing, just asking for clarification.

SoCalBronco
07-02-2006, 08:29 PM
Why is McGahee not a true Hurricane? Not disagreeing, just asking for clarification.

Because he admitted that he dogged it on purpose in the Fiesta Bowl out of fear that he would get hurt in his last game before going pro, which ironically, came true. He said he only turned it on in the fourth quarter when they were down and then ofcourse he got hurt. He sold his teammates down the river at the worst possible time and cost 84 other guys a ring. So he's basically dead to me and I wish him nothing but injuries and suffering for the rest of his career. He's about as likely to recieve a Christmas card from me as Al Davis, Eddie Kennison or Ian Gold are.

Bronco Billy
07-02-2006, 08:49 PM
Because he admitted that he dogged it on purpose in the Fiesta Bowl out of fear that he would get hurt in his last game before going pro, which ironically, came true. He said he only turned it on in the fourth quarter when they were down and then ofcourse he got hurt. He sold his teammates down the river at the worst possible time and cost 84 other guys a ring. So he's basically dead to me and I wish him nothing but injuries and suffering for the rest of his career. He's about as likely to recieve a Christmas card from me as Al Davis, Eddie Kennison or Ian Gold are.

Thanks, I did not know that. He sounds a lot like Kennison. I rather have Keninison state that he doesn't want to play than someone taking up one of the eleven spots on the field and not trying.

Florida_Bronco
07-02-2006, 08:54 PM
Yeah I didn't know that either, now I understand why you feel that way.

Atlas
07-03-2006, 05:42 AM
I'm not so sure. Jake didn't "really stink" in his first year here and he's improved every season yet he's been getting killed around here for over a year.

Ben

Actually Jakes first year was better than his second. He regressed the second year a bit tossing 20 ints. Last year he played great.

Odysseus
07-03-2006, 06:04 AM
1. The starter SHOULD BE the best player on the field. Anything less than that is called a real quarterback controversy. Sportswriters main goal is to sew doubt so bashing Plummer or thinking that Cutler is the best rookie ever is kind of counter productive.

2. This poll will be 50/50 and remain 50/50 at the end of the season regardless of what either Jay or Jake does this year. Welcome to Broncos QB training camp.

3. Jay is an unproven commodity. Anything anyone says at this point is purely speculation.

4. Jake has not started the season yet. Any assumptions on what he might do this year is and shall remain speculation until the season is started.

5. Jay is rookie Quarterback. Write this down in case you forget.

baja
07-03-2006, 06:11 AM
1. The starter SHOULD BE the best player on the field. Anything less than that is called a real quarterback controversy. Sportswriters main goal is to sew doubt so bashing Plummer or thinking that Cutler is the best rookie ever is kind of counter productive.

<b>2. This poll will be 50/50 and remain 50/50 at the end of the season regardless of what either Jay or Jake does this year. Welcome to Broncos QB training camp. </b>

3. Jay is an unproven commodity. Anything anyone says at this point is purely speculation.

4. Jake has not started the season yet. Any assumptions on what he might do this year is and shall remain speculation until the season is started.

5. Jay is rookie Quarterback. Write this down in case you forget.

This poll is about rather or not it was a good move to use the 11 pick to draft a qb when we could of had a stud impact player. As of this post the board feels it was a good draft move by a whooping 97% margin

Odysseus
07-03-2006, 06:19 AM
This poll is about rather or not it was a good move to use the 11 pick to draft a qb when we could of had a stud impact player. As of this post the board feels it was a good draft move by a whooping 97% margin

So the 44 people on one answer were saying the same thing as the 41 people on the other answer? The whole conversation is about who is righterest?

Too funny...

baja
07-03-2006, 06:29 AM
So the 44 people on one answer were saying the same thing as the 41 people on the other answer? The whole conversation is about who is righterest?

Too funny...

There are 4 options in the poll 2 approving the draft pick with the other 2 assessing it as a bad move. the 44 and the 41 happen to reflect the two positive choices therefore 97% of the people liked the move. This all seems pretty straight forward to me.

Odysseus
07-03-2006, 06:55 AM
There are 4 options in the poll 2 approving the draft pick with the other 2 assessing it as a bad move. the 44 and the 41 happen to reflect the two positive choices therefore 97% of the people liked the move. This all seems pretty straight forward to me.

At the end of the year.....

50% will say Cutler was a decent pickup.
50% will say Cutler was a great pickup and will start making up stuff as if mores words prove playoffs exist.

:-*

MY point is that people already have their minds made up about who this guy is and at the end of the year they will still think the same thing......OR....

Nobody is going to call him Griese Jr. until Plummer is gone......OR...........

Plummer will end up starting for the Chiefs as Trent Green will retire, Croyle will prove frayle. All the Broncos fans who never said a bad thing about Plummer will suddenly be tongue tied and ashamed. Bob will suddenly run in front of a moving bus and be hospitalized for weeks. O4L will blow a gasket. Kennison will quit...again. Al Davis will start a bidding war for Plummer. Bill Walsh will say that Plummer is the next Montana. Joe Montana won't say anything because he's staying home with his kids.

In the end this thread will be a monument to offseason perfundity as everyone will want to line up and have their butts kissed because WE ALL KNEW IT! WE WERE THERE! WOOOOOT!

baja
07-03-2006, 07:44 AM
At the end of the year.....

50% will say Cutler was a decent pickup.
50% will say Cutler was a great pickup and will start making up stuff as if mores words prove playoffs exist.

:-*

MY point is that people already have their minds made up about who this guy is and at the end of the year they will still think the same thing......OR....

Nobody is going to call him Griese Jr. until Plummer is gone......OR...........

Plummer will end up starting for the Chiefs as Trent Green will retire, Croyle will prove frayle. All the Broncos fans who never said a bad thing about Plummer will suddenly be tongue tied and ashamed. Bob will suddenly run in front of a moving bus and be hospitalized for weeks. O4L will blow a gasket. Kennison will quit...again. Al Davis will start a bidding war for Plummer. Bill Walsh will say that Plummer is the next Montana. Joe Montana won't say anything because he's staying home with his kids.

In the end this thread will be a monument to offseason perfundity as everyone will want to line up and have their butts kissed because WE ALL KNEW IT! WE WERE THERE! WOOOOOT!

Oh! Well thanks for clearing that up ;D

Cool Breeze
07-03-2006, 08:14 AM
Was a worthwhile gamble

watermock
07-03-2006, 08:48 AM
Because he admitted that he dogged it on purpose in the Fiesta Bowl out of fear that he would get hurt in his last game before going pro, which ironically, came true. He said he only turned it on in the fourth quarter when they were down and then ofcourse he got hurt. He sold his teammates down the river at the worst possible time and cost 84 other guys a ring. So he's basically dead to me and I wish him nothing but injuries and suffering for the rest of his career. He's about as likely to recieve a Christmas card from me as Al Davis, Eddie Kennison or Ian Gold are.

As the late Johnny Carson would say: "I did not know that"...That should be a lesson for all the primadonnas out there. You can't just "turn it on and off" at will. That's disgracefull.

The worst, most disgracefull performance of all times was Ronnie Harmon of Iowa at the RoseBowl for the National Championship, or close. If I remember right, that was the Iowa team with Long at QB and Fry in his prime. He fumbled 4 or 5 times. Once at the goal line, he got a perfect handoff, had control, and literally just dropped the ball on purpose. Nothing was ever proven, but he obviously threw the game. He actually took the handoff, the hole was there, and simply dropped the ball untouched. Again, he had gotten the handoff perfectly clean. Anyone remember that game? I think Iowa was ranked really high. I think they lost a 1-2 matchup against Michigan that year, but only had one loss. Might of been OSU, but I think it was the Wolverines.

Odysseus
07-04-2006, 03:49 PM
Go Broncos!

orinjkrush
07-04-2006, 04:48 PM
I like Cutler's intangibles...he looks like he has a mean streak inside him, sorta like Elway. He's used to carrying the team on his back, like JE. Physically he's almost Elway-esque.
People forget Elway sucked first coupla years. Only won the super bowl 'cause he made no mistakes, and let TD carry the load. Was only a shell of his former self. Cutler has MUCHO more around him than Johnny the Wonder Boy ever did. Should be pretty interesting. My guess.....will be between good and very good.

baja
07-04-2006, 06:16 PM
I like Cutler's intangibles...he looks like he has a mean streak inside him, sorta like Elway. He's used to carrying the team on his back, like JE. Physically he's almost Elway-esque.
People forget Elway sucked first coupla years. Only won the super bowl 'cause he made no mistakes, and let TD carry the load. Was only a shell of his former self. Cutler has MUCHO more around him than Johnny the Wonder Boy ever did. Should be pretty interesting. My guess.....will be between good and very good.

Now that Ithink about it Elway did suck, at least some of the time.

Arkansas Bronco
07-04-2006, 06:21 PM
People forget Elway sucked first coupla years. Only won the super bowl 'cause he made no mistakes, and let TD carry the load. Was only a shell of his former self. Cutler has MUCHO more around him than Johnny the Wonder Boy ever did. Should be pretty interesting. My guess.....will be between good and very good.
Sacralige!!!!

Arkansas Bronco
07-04-2006, 06:23 PM
Talk up Cutler all you want but dont play down John.

The MVPlaya
03-29-2010, 08:59 PM
bump per request!

Cool Breeze
03-29-2010, 09:11 PM
What exactly do you base that on if I may ask. I can't wait to pull this up in 4 years.

We're just about there...

tubbs
03-29-2010, 10:40 PM
ghey

BMarsh615
03-29-2010, 11:05 PM
I was dead on. 8')

snowspot66
03-29-2010, 11:16 PM
I was dead on. 8')

You were half right. It was never going to be a Championship year run but it was a lot of unrest.

I would qualify the "worthwhile gamble" people as correct too. It payed off in extra draft picks.

TheReverend
03-29-2010, 11:42 PM
I was dead on. 8')

Join Date: 2008

Nice try

BMarsh615
03-30-2010, 12:09 AM
join date: 2008

nice try

:)

Cito Pelon
03-30-2010, 12:18 AM
The only thing I said was wait til we see what Plummer can do. The Dave is correct when he says I don't say much of anything. But I disagree.

BroncoBuff
03-30-2010, 12:23 AM
:)

You gave up too quick ... you still could've been right on, just not here.

I said it was a great move. Still Cutler will still be a stud ... he'll be a stud again, book it.

Cito Pelon
03-30-2010, 12:52 AM
You gave up too quick ... you still could've been right on, just not here.

I said it was a great move. Still Cutler will still be a stud ... he'll be a stud again, book it.

Did you reply to the OP, Buff?