Only 483 guard working on Mexican border

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/30/D8IIT3980.html


Only 483 Guard Working on Mexican Border
Jun 30 9:35 PM US/Eastern
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By AARON C. DAVIS
Associated Press Writer


SACRAMENTO, Calif.


On the deadline to have 2,500 troops along the Mexican border, the National Guard said Friday that only 483 were in position and working with the U.S. Border Patrol as the Bush administration had directed.

But Guard officials said more than 2,000 others were somewhere inside the four southwestern border states, training or helping plan the deployment. He and Bush administration officials argued Friday that the presence of troops in those states spelled success in the first stage of the mission.



Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, an arm of the Pentagon, had promised June 1 that by the end of the month 2,500 Guard troops would be working "on the border."

"As defined by the operation, the National Guard has met and exceeded its goal of deploying 2,500 soldiers and airmen to the four Southwest border states," said White House spokesman Blain Rethmeier. "Progress to date is real and the Guard's efforts are making a positive difference in this national effort."

As evidence, he said the early arrival of troops had allowed the Border Patrol to send 125 agents "back to the front lines," and helped the Border Patrol catch nearly 200 illegal immigrants, seize 123 pounds of marijuana, 18 pounds of cocaine and seven vehicles.

Through initial pay requests filed with the Air Guard and orders filed with the Army Guard, the Guard bureau verified 2,547 troops were in the four border states for the mission, said Daniel Donohue, a spokesman for the National Guard Bureau.

Only 483 were physically on the border, he conceded.

The remaining forces _ 1,816 _ are in training somewhere in the four states; 248 are assigned to headquarters and planning roles, Donohue said.

Asked to clarify, Blum spokesman Mark Allen responded by e-mail that the general had never specifically promised to deliver troops to a "geographically defined latitude and longitude."

Still, there were signs the deployment was picking up speed.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry said 1,000 Army and Air National Guardsmen were either on the border or "on their way," adding 500 to totals released Thursday. But his office said the additional troops didn't actually reach the border, but were considered deployed when they left Friday for two weeks of training.

Several states whose Guard leaders and governors had been contacted by the National Guard Bureau in the last 48 hours also made announcements Friday that they would send troops.

Gov. Mike Easley of North Carolina said he would reluctantly deploy 300 troops to the border in mid-July.

"I would prefer not to have any of the North Carolina National Guard deployed to other states at this time," he said. "However, the Guard units in the western states are spread thin as they battle raging wildfires. We must all step up and do our part to keep our country safe."

Kentucky announced it would send up to 650 National Guard troops. Arkansas also said it would send 200. New Jersey also said it would send up to 650 for three-week assignments.

Damon Foreman, senior patrol agent and spokesman for the Border Patrol in San Diego, said agents there eagerly await the Guard's help.

"We would welcome all the help we could get. We could absorb them as fast as we could give them instructions on what to do," Foreman said, adding that the delayed deployment, however, had not affected operations.

"We've been doing a considerably effective job for a long time now, we'll keep doing our job whether the whole number of Guard show up tomorrow, a week from tomorrow, or a month from now."

Bush's plan for stemming illegal immigration by using National Guardsmen in a support role called for 2,500 troops to be on the border by June 30, and 6,000 by the end of July.

Bush had said the mission would free up thousands of officers now on other duties to actively patrol the border. Guardsmen are expected to build fences, conduct routine surveillance and take care of other administrative duties for the border patrol.

[Crushaholic]

Bush's refusal to REALLY do something about the borders is one of the few things I don't like about our president...

[Spider]

this is realy a tough issue , When I was in Houston , Corpus , and a few other citys , Illegals were hard working people , just people like us doing what they can to survive , but yet I get aggitated when I cant order food , cause no one speaks english ........actually I have more of a problem with ássholes that blare rap music ..........
I have a solution though , just bought a 500 watt leanier , 210.00 worth of CB anntenas and had a ship to shore mother board put in my cb , and a biiger altenator ....... I key that mike up I will come through the stereo and interfere with thier rap music ............

[epicSocialism4tw]

this is realy a tough issue , When I was in Houston , Corpus , and a few other citys , Illegals were hard working people , just people like us doing what they can to survive , but yet I get aggitated when I cant order food , cause no one speaks english ........actually I have more of a problem with ássholes that blare rap music ..........
I have a solution though , just bought a 500 watt leanier , 210.00 worth of CB anntenas and had a ship to shore mother board put in my cb , and a biiger altenator ....... I key that mike up I will come through the stereo and interfere with thier rap music ............

The problem isnt with the people, it's with the situation. It's not over whether or not a person likes Mexican immigrants. It's about the peripheral effects of the influx of such a large group of people. Many of whom cant communicate using the language of the US. While businesses and corporations make a killing off of the cheap labor, the middle class and the poor Americans shoulder much more than their fair share of the burden that the illegals place on the social services system.

I have no problem with any immigrant's naturalization. The problem is, this is not happening.

[Saddletramp]

this is realy a tough issue , When I was in Houston , Corpus , and a few other citys , Illegals were hard working people , just people like us doing what they can to survive , but yet I get aggitated when I cant order food , cause no one speaks english ........


I grew up in a feedlot, have worked in packing houses and the oilfield, there are jobs in all three of these industries that the illegals are doing for anywhere from minimum wages to $25.00 per hour and you cant pay me enough to do 99% of them. 99.9% of all employees who work on an workover rig are mexican (not all are illegal) and I worked one day on a drilling rig many years ago and will never do it again. The illegals who came to the States and work are not putting Americans out of work, they are doing the jobs that most Americans wont do. If U.S. (white or any other color) would do these jobs then illegals would not be able to get work and most likely would not come here. I do however think that the illegals should at least try to become legal. And please dont forget they do have payroll taxes coming out of their checks like the rest of us do.

[Spider]

[quote=§Pide®]this is realy a tough issue , When I was in Houston , Corpus , and a few other citys , Illegals were hard working people , just people like us doing what they can to survive , but yet I get aggitated when I cant order food , cause no one speaks english ........


I grew up in a feedlot, have worked in packing houses and the oilfield, there are jobs in all three of these industries that the illegals are doing for anywhere from minimum wages to $25.00 per hour and you cant pay me enough to do 99% of them. 99.9% of all employees who work on an workover rig are mexican (not all are illegal) and I worked one day on a drilling rig many years ago and will never do it again. The illegals who came to the States and work are not putting Americans out of work, they are doing the jobs that most Americans wont do. If U.S. (white or any other color) would do these jobs then illegals would not be able to get work and most likely would not come here. I do however think that the illegals should at least try to become legal. And please dont forget they do have payroll taxes coming out of their checks like the rest of us do.

I worked a feedlot also Monforts outside of Kersey colorado , Been in and out of Monforts packing house , Circle C beef , IBP , Excel ........ work over rigs are a Bítch , and I know they pay taxes , hell they use goods just like we do , they pay as much tax , I dont make the argument they put Americans out of work , my only beef is the non speaking egnish in the service sector , perhaps I should be more mad at the fast food chains , for putting these people on the register ............
I dont have a beef with someone trying to make a living , where I do draw the line is the protesting , the breaking of our laws , and Rap Music .......

[Saddletramp]

[quote=Saddletramp]

I worked a feedlot also Monforts outside of Kersey colorado , Been in and out of Monforts packing house , Circle C beef , IBP , Excel ........ work over rigs are a Bítch , and I know they pay taxes , hell they use goods just like we do , they pay as much tax , I dont make the argument they put Americans out of work , my only beef is the non speaking egnish in the service sector , perhaps I should be more mad at the fast food chains , for putting these people on the register ............
I dont have a beef with someone trying to make a living , where I do draw the line is the protesting , the breaking of our laws , and Rap Music .......
Sorry I also meant to say I agreed with you. As for breaking our laws, hell citizens break just as many and rap music well I cannot see an end to that.

[Spider]

[quote=§Pide®]
Sorry I also meant to say I agreed with you. As for breaking our laws, hell citizens break just as many and rap music well I cannot see an end to that.
that I agree with ,we do break laws , and we get punished when caught ;D
Rap music sucks , there swhould be a law ........
I was in houston not long ago , I would say the Katrinia refugees cause more problems , suck up more social programs then Illegals .........
Like I say it is a tough issue for me ........ I will be flip flopping all year on this issue like a true democrat ;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

I grew up in a feedlot, have worked in packing houses and the oilfield, there are jobs in all three of these industries that the illegals are doing for anywhere from minimum wages to $25.00 per hour and you cant pay me enough to do 99% of them. 99.9% of all employees who work on an workover rig are mexican (not all are illegal) and I worked one day on a drilling rig many years ago and will never do it again. The illegals who came to the States and work are not putting Americans out of work, they are doing the jobs that most Americans wont do. If U.S. (white or any other color) would do these jobs then illegals would not be able to get work and most likely would not come here. I do however think that the illegals should at least try to become legal. And please dont forget they do have payroll taxes coming out of their checks like the rest of us do.

I have to disagree with most of your post here. Illegals arent doing jobs that American citizens dont want to do. That is a myth propagated by people with an interest in keeping them here. They are working for businessmen in small business and dropping the price of labor at the ground level. They are doing jobs that Americans have always done and still do. They are also infiltrating the service, retail, and agricuture industries and dropping the wages for jobs that Americans do.

My family is full of people who have cleaned houses, picked vegetables, tilled ground, pickled and jarred food, mowed lawns, valeted cars, bussed tables, you name it. Those jobs are very important for people who want to get a little bit ahead or attend college. To say that Americans wont do them is a little offensive. Maybe you arent willing to put your nose to the grindstone, but that doesnt mean that other Americans wont.

My dad used to work on rigs. It's a dangerous job, no doubt. He lasted much more than one day doing it. He used it to support his family and to work towards getting in college. He spent 5 years on rigs with a couple of different companies.

[Saddletramp]

I have to disagree with most of your post here. Illegals arent doing jobs that American citizens dont want to do. That is a myth propagated by people with an interest in keeping them here. They are working for businessmen in small business and dropping the price of labor at the ground level. They are doing jobs that Americans have always done and still do. They are also infiltrating the service, retail, and agricuture industries and dropping the wages for jobs that Americans do.

My dad used to work on rigs. It's a dangerous job, no doubt. He lasted much more than one day doing it. He used it to support his family and to work towards getting in college. He spent 5 years on rigs with a couple of different companies.
its a free country.

[Spider]

I have to disagree with most of your post here. Illegals arent doing jobs that American citizens dont want to do. That is a myth propagated by people with an interest in keeping them here. They are working for businessmen in small business and dropping the price of labor at the ground level. They are doing jobs that Americans have always done and still do. They are also infiltrating the service, retail, and agricuture industries and dropping the wages for jobs that Americans do.

My dad used to work on rigs. It's a dangerous job, no doubt. He lasted much more than one day doing it. He used it to support his family and to work towards getting in college. He spent 5 years on rigs with a couple of different companies.
No Saddle tramp is right , Lets face it we americans are spoiled , we realy dont have ot work for anything , Just go down to a charity place or file for help .. they dont have that in Mexico , Mexicans have to work damn hard for everything they get , I have seen white guys in a pipe yard , world of difference in thier attitude and the illegals ...... Much better work output , less breaks ..........
I dont think Saddle tramp was saying that all white people are lazy , but comeon could you see half the people you know knee deep in mud working like a dog for min wage ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

No Saddle tramp is right , Lets face it we americans are spoiled , we realy dont have ot work for anything , Just go down to a charity place or file for help .. they dont have that in Mexico , Mexicans have to work damn hard for everything they get , I have seen white guys in a pipe yard , world of difference in thier attitude and the illegals ...... Much better work output , less breaks ..........
I dont think Saddle tramp was saying that all white people are lazy , but comeon could you see half the people you know knee deep in mud working like a dog for min wage ?

That's the difference between America and the rest of the world...especially a third world country like Mexico. Our country is prosperous enough to provide a living work wage for full time employees. If you cant do that as an employer, you need to start thinking about changing some things.

I have worked with several illegal immigrants in the past. I have rarely seen an illegal immigrant who didnt slack off when he could get a leg up on his work. It's just like any other race.

[Saddletramp]

I have to disagree with most of your post here. Illegals arent doing jobs that American citizens dont want to do. That is a myth propagated by people with an interest in keeping them here. They are working for businessmen in small business and dropping the price of labor at the ground level. They are doing jobs that Americans have always done and still do. They are also infiltrating the service, retail, and agricuture industries and dropping the wages for jobs that Americans do.

My family is full of people who have cleaned houses, picked vegetables, tilled ground, pickled and jarred food, mowed lawns, valeted cars, bussed tables, you name it. Those jobs are very important for people who want to get a little bit ahead or attend college. To say that Americans wont do them is a little offensive. Maybe you arent willing to put your nose to the grindstone, but that doesnt mean that other Americans wont.

My dad used to work on rigs. It's a dangerous job, no doubt. He lasted much more than one day doing it. He used it to support his family and to work towards getting in college. He spent 5 years on rigs with a couple of different companies.
Let me tell you something right now boy. Dont you ever call me lazy or unwilling to work. I may have only worked on an oilrig for one day but I still work in the oilfield and I do a job that not one rig-hand will ever do or is willing to do. And I know this from the fact that they tell me they wouldn't do it. The work is to hard and that is a direct quote. From mexican and white righands. When I worked in a feedlot I did the S*** jobs. Hell the mexicans didnt even have to do them and I made a hell of a lot less than they did. I loaded trucks at National Beef and worked east rendering (non-edible rendering, the second worst job in a packing house). I have done the S*** jobs and am willing to do them again.

[Spider]

That's the difference between America and the rest of the world...especially a third world country like Mexico. Our country is prosperous enough to provide a living work wage for full time employees. If you cant do that as an employer, you need to start thinking about changing some things.

I have worked with several illegal immigrants in the past. I have rarely seen an illegal immigrant who didnt slack off when he could get a leg up on his work. It's just like any other race.
when he got a leg up ....... So to keep em busy we should flood them with more work ?
Yes that is what so great about or country and why I advocate these programs , and I am very pro union , but there is more then just wages , medical when is the last time you saw an Illegal demand bennies ?
thats why I support universal health care , that would go along ways in relieving companies in offering health care ...........
i forget where I heard it , so I dont know how true it is , but every toyota built 3 dollars goes into the health care fund in Japan ......... We could do that here .......
then we wouldnt have the medical burden illegals bring ..........

[Spider]

Let me tell you something right now boy. Dont you ever call me lazy or unwilling to work. I may have only worked on an oilrig for one day but I still work in the oilfield and I do a job that not one rig-hand will ever do or is willing to do. And I know this from the fact that they tell me they wouldn't do it. The work is to hard and that is a direct quote. From mexican and white righands. When I worked in a feedlot I did the S*** jobs. Hell the mexicans didnt even have to do them and I made a hell of a lot less than they did. I loaded trucks at National Beef and worked east rendering (non-edible rendering, the second worst job in a packing house). I have done the S*** jobs and am willing to do them again.
Working a feedlot is no walk in the park either ........ the smell is the least of the problems ....... Sounds like you and me have chewed on the same dirt .Loading /unloading trucks is damn hard work .........

[epicSocialism4tw]

Let me tell you something right now boy. Dont you ever call me lazy or unwilling to work. I may have only worked on an oilrig for one day but I still work in the oilfield and I do a job that not one rig-hand will ever do or is willing to do. And I know this from the fact that they tell me they wouldn't do it. The work is to hard and that is a direct quote. From mexican and white righands. When I worked in a feedlot I did the S*** jobs. Hell the mexicans didnt even have to do them and I made a hell of a lot less than they did. I loaded trucks at National Beef and worked east rendering (non-edible rendering, the second worst job in a packing house). I have done the S*** jobs and am willing to do them again.

Well, see? Americans will do the job. You just proved yourself wrong, boy. ;D

[Garcia Bronco]

"But Guard officials said more than 2,000 others were somewhere inside the four southwestern border states, training or helping plan the deployment"

[Saddletramp]

Well, see? Americans will do the job. You just proved yourself wrong, boy. ;D
no you are still wrong as those of us who do these S*** jobs are the exception to the rule.

[Spider]

Well, see? Americans will do the job. You just proved yourself wrong, boy. ;D
question is are you willing ?

[Spider]

no you are still wrong as those of us who do these S*** jobs are the exception to the rule.
I will admit it , I did it cause it was the Macho thing to do ..... I started at the age of 12 picking peppers for Joe Dean produce ....... I hated Silage season .. haying was no picknic either ;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

no you are still wrong as those of us who do these S*** jobs are the exception to the rule.

That's not true and you know it.

[Saddletramp]

Working a feedlot is no walk in the park either ........ the smell is the least of the problems ....... Sounds like you and me have chewed on the same dirt .Loading /unloading trucks is damn hard work .........
the smell is just the smell of money.

you havent worked until you have unloded 400 100# sxs. of bar off the back of a flatbed into a mudhouse with the temp hovering around 0 degrees and it is in the middle of an ice strom. By hand no less.

al ask you dad what all this means. He should know. And ask him if he was willing to be a mudhauler.

[Spider]

the smell is just the smell of money.

you havent worked until you have unloded 400 100# sxs. of bar off the back of a flatbed into a mudhouse with the temp hovering around 0 degrees and it is in the middle of an ice strom. By hand no less.

al ask you dad what all this means. He should know.
:giggle: ........just try taking a break cause you are cold ..................

[Saddletramp]

That's not true and you know it.
no I dont and do not like being called a liar.

[epicSocialism4tw]

question is are you willing ?

I dont have to anymore, because like many Americans I started with nothing and had to build a life for myself. I used to work alongside illegals in the restaraunt industry (parking cars), have mowed lawns, painted houses, worked as a delivery driver for a medical supply company, etc, etc. I built on all of that to get myself a degree and move up.

I decided when I was 16 that I didnt want another night of waking up to searing pain in my head from a cockroach burrowing in my ear.

[Saddletramp]

:giggle: ........just try taking a break cause you are cold ..................
when you have a rig that is on the verge of burning to the ground htere is no taking a break.

[Spider]

I dont have to anymore, because like many Americans I started with nothing and had to build a life for myself. I used to work alongside illegals in the restaraunt industry (parking cars), have mowed lawns, painted houses, worked as a delivery driver for a medical supply company, etc, etc. I built on all of that to get myself a degree and move up.

I decided when I was 16 that I didnt want another night of waking up to searing pain in my head from a cockroach burrowing in my ear.
I am sure that was hard work in your world ..........but when you buck 95 # hay bails for 12 hours a day , then feed and call it a day then you understand hard work ..............

[Spider]

when you have a rig that is on the verge of burning to the ground htere is no taking a break.
nope .....

[epicSocialism4tw]

no I dont and do not like being called a liar.

Well then, why stretch the truth like that, boy?

You made a broad statement that at best looks like a very pessimistic view on Americans.

I dont know you from Adam. I do know that you made a statement that you either have convinced yourself to believe because it benefits you, or that you were straight up lying.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I am sure that was hard work in your world ..........but when you buck 95 # hay bails for 12 hours a day , then feed and call it a day then you understand hard work ..............

No...that is easy work. Anyone with a back, two arms, and their health can do that job for awhile. Hard work is not being able to get sleep but for 10 hours a week because you have to prepare for Genetics, Physiology, Organic Chemistry and Pysch Testing Tests and still having to put in a full load of work selling guitars. I dont think that you know hard work, Spider. It's being responsible for people and having to put in 60-80 hour work weeks to ensure that your patients and your employees are taken care of.

[Spider]

Well then, why stretch the truth like that, boy?

You made a broad statement that at best looks like a very pessimistic view on Americans.

I dont know you from Adam. I do know that you made a statement that you either have convinced yourself to believe because it benefits you, or that you were straight up lying.
so it is your postion that Americans will do these jobs ?
Muffy and Biff would have a heartattack .......... could you imagine taking someone from corperate america and working them like that ?

[Spider]

No...that is easy work. Anyone with a back, two arms, and their health can do that job for awhile. Hard work is not being able to get sleep but for 10 hours a week because you have to prepare for Genetics, Physiology, Organic Chemistry and Pysch Testing Tests and work. I dont think that you know hard work, Spider.
Ha! egg head in a white frock talking hard work ......... Hilarious! thats like Chief fan telling everyone what the post season is like

[Spider]

It's being responsible for people and having to put in 60-80 hour work weeks to ensure that your patients and your employees are taken care of.
60-80 hours a week = Country club hours

[epicSocialism4tw]

so it is your postion that Americans will do these jobs ?
Muffy and Biff would have a heartattack .......... could you imagine taking someone from corperate america and working them like that ?

Certainly not John McCain. That idiot said that he would pay anyone 50 bucks an hour to go work in the fields like the illegals are doing. That just shows you how out of touch our ruling class is with their constituents.

[Saddletramp]

Well then, why stretch the truth like that, boy?
I have not stretched any truth.



You made a broad statement that at best looks like a very pessimistic view on Americans.
I dont know you from Adam. I do know that you made a statement that you either have convinced yourself to believe because it benefits you, or that you were straight up lying.

EXACTLY, YOU DONT KNOW ME SO YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T CALL ME A LIAR. AND any statement I have made is based on 30 years of experience. when I say most Americans wont do these jobs it is because there are more citizens on welfare than illegals. Illegals work their a**es off for people like you and get absolutely no recognition for a job well done, all they get is go the F*** home.

[epicSocialism4tw]

60-80 hours a week = Country club hours

Sure.

Get back to me when you put a little research into what kind of training a Doctor has to undergo before plunging into a life dedicated to constant work.

[Spider]

Sure.

Get back to me when you put a little research into what kind of training a Doctor has to undergo before plunging into a life dedicated to constant work.
just like anything else , either you have it or you dont ........ what you call hard work is more mental then phyiscal , what you account isnt hard work but dedication , an educated man like yourself should understand the difference

[Saddletramp]

No...that is easy work. Anyone with a back, two arms, and their health can do that job for awhile. Hard work is not being able to get sleep but for 10 hours a week because you have to prepare for Genetics, Physiology, Organic Chemistry and Pysch Testing Tests and still having to put in a full load of work selling guitars. I dont think that you know hard work, Spider. It's being responsible for people and having to put in 60-80 hour work weeks to ensure that your patients and your employees are taken care of.
easy work. OH MY GOD now thats funny. :rofl: Hilarious!

60 - 80 hours a week? who the hell only works that few of hours. Try 100 or more for weeks on end. By the way the jobs you did at the age of 16 are the normal jobs of a teenager. they are nothing special.

[Spider]

Sure.

Get back to me when you put a little research into what kind of training a Doctor has to undergo before plunging into a life dedicated to constant work.
but back the the point tramp made , Illegals are out there shoveling sand out of an iragation ditch for less then 3 bucks an hour , your point is any American will do that ......... and you are an American ........ Cornhuskers lotion and Bag balm works best on blisters ;D

[Saddletramp]

Sure.

Get back to me when you put a little research into what kind of training a Doctor has to undergo before plunging into a life dedicated to constant work.
I am willing to give you 1/2 a point for this.

[Saddletramp]

but back the the point tramp made , Illegals are out there shoveling sand out of an irrigation ditch for less then 3 bucks an hour , your point is any American will do that ......... and you are an American ........ Cornhuskers lotion and Bag balm works best on blisters ;D
Corona works real good but is really greasy.

[Spider]

Corona works real good but is really greasy.
Ha! thats all we need Angry Llama loosing his grip on the shovel

[epicSocialism4tw]

I am willing to give you 1/2 a point for this.

You are also willing to unleash a constant barrage of unfounded bragadocio on me, and for that I am so grateful. Saddletramp the internet tough guy is my new archetypal hope. You know how to type at least some complete sentances, so I'll give you half a point more than what I give Spider.

[Saddletramp]

Ha! thats all we need Angry Llama loosing his grip on the shovel
putting someone in the hospital when he hits them in the head with it.

[Spider]

You are also willing to unleash a constant barrage of unfounded bragadocio on me, and for that I am so grateful. Saddletramp the internet tough guy is my new archetypal hope. You know how to type at least some complete sentances, so I'll give you half a point more than what I give Spider.
½ a point ? that has to be worth 2½ ........

[epicSocialism4tw]

Dont worry, Saddletramp. I'll give you a couple of days to look up those words and come up with a response.

[Spider]

Dont worry, Saddletramp. I'll give you a couple of days to look up those words and come up with a response.
mighty christian of you there .......... we all know you are much better then the working class cause you know big words ........you get ¾ of a point for your generosity

[Saddletramp]

You are also willing to unleash a constant barrage of unfounded bragadocio (learn to spell before you flunk out of college) on me, and for that I am so grateful. Saddletramp the internet tough guy is my new archetypal hope. You know how to type at least some complete sentances, so I'll give you half a point more than what I give Spider.
keep your points.

as for the constant barrage of unfounded braggadocio. Frist it is not undounded braggadocio, it is 30 years of working for a living. Busting my ass for ungrateful people like you, people who cuss the American Farmer and their mexican farm hands with their mouths full or cuss the mexican righands as they fill their vechiles with gas.


Post # 9 is yours not mine. You quote me you get the rath, for lack of a better term.

[Saddletramp]

Dont worry, Saddletramp. I'll give you a couple of days to look up those words and come up with a response.
well at least I spelled it right, Mr. I am so damn smart because I am going to college to become a doctor.

[epicSocialism4tw]

mighty christian of you there .......... we all know you are much better then the working class cause you know big words ........you get ¾ of a point for your generosity

I come from below the working class. I come from destitution, buddy. I'll never forget that.

Saddletramp asked for the insult by giving several in his previous posts. I'll end my part of it here.

[Saddletramp]

I come from below the working class. I come from destitution, buddy. I'll never forget that.
So did I kid.
and it is good you dont forget that. Meaning where your roots lie.
Saddletramp asked for the insult by giving several in his previous posts. I'll end my part of it here.
SEE POST NUMBER NINE.

[gunns]

I grew up in a feedlot, have worked in packing houses and the oilfield, there are jobs in all three of these industries that the illegals are doing for anywhere from minimum wages to $25.00 per hour and you cant pay me enough to do 99% of them. 99.9% of all employees who work on an workover rig are mexican (not all are illegal) and I worked one day on a drilling rig many years ago and will never do it again. The illegals who came to the States and work are not putting Americans out of work, they are doing the jobs that most Americans wont do. If U.S. (white or any other color) would do these jobs then illegals would not be able to get work and most likely would not come here. I do however think that the illegals should at least try to become legal. And please dont forget they do have payroll taxes coming out of their checks like the rest of us do.

Yes they do pay taxes and are hard working. I think what I would like to see is for them to be accountable. If they want to be here are they going to up hold our constitution and the principles that do make this country great. If they are here the same laws and government policies apply to them. If they apply for something that is government issued they should be asked the same questions and follow all the requirements that an American citizen would have to comply with. If they commit a crime they serve their time and then get deported, even if they are legal.

And working in a government agency I don't have a problem with any of the legal or illegals not initially knowing English but we should not be spending the fortune we are to bend over to interpret all of our services for them after they've been here for numerous years. When in America do as the Americans do and we speak English.

[Spider]

I come from below the working class. I come from destitution, buddy. I'll never forget that.

Saddletramp asked for the insult by giving several in his previous posts. I'll end my part of it here.
it shows ..... despite what your point system says ......

[epicSocialism4tw]

So did I kid.


Kid?

[epicSocialism4tw]

it shows ..... despite what your point system says ......

My point system says that you are a bitter old trucker.

[Spider]

My point system says that you are a bitter old trucker.
and a damn good dancer ........

[Spider]

Kid?
you cant be much over 24 ............

[epicSocialism4tw]

you cant be much over 24 ............

You're a bit low.

[Spider]

You're a bit low.
no need to take it personal and call me low ... Iam guess the 24-26 range .....

[Saddletramp]

Yes they do pay taxes and are hard working. I think what I would like to see is for them to be accountable. If they want to be here are they going to up hold our constitution and the principles that do make this country great. If they are here the same laws and government policies apply to them. If they apply for something that is government issued they should be asked the same questions and follow all the requirements that an American citizen would have to comply with. If they commit a crime they serve their time and then get deported, even if they are legal.

And working in a government agency I don't have a problem with any of the legal or illegals not initially knowing English but we should not be spending the fortune we are to bend over to interpret all of our services for them after they've been here for numerous years. When in America do as the Americans do and we speak English.
what follows is me agreeing with you to a degree.

Everything you would like to see is what every American would like to see. However these things can only be accomplished by our laws being enforced.

[Saddletramp]

Kid?
yes, compared to Spider and I you are a kid.

btw spid I dont have arms like yours as I have to much indian blood in me.

[Saddletramp]

My point system says that you are a bitter old trucker.
who is dishing out the insults now?

[epicSocialism4tw]

no need to take it personal and call me low ...

Wocka, Wocka, Wocka.


Iam guess the 24-26 range .....

Closer, but still a bit low.

[Spider]

yes, compared to Spider and I you are a kid.

btw spid I dont have arms like yours as I have to much indian blood in me.
;D

[Spider]

Wocka, Wocka, Wocka.




Closer, but still a bit low.
26½

[Spider]

yes, compared to Spider and I you are a kid.

btw spid I dont have arms like yours as I have to much indian blood in me.
on to a happier note , my life was actually better back then , then now . i didnt hav as much money or other things ..... but my life was alot less complicated ...

[Saddletramp]

on to a happier note , my life was actually better back then , then now . i didnt hav as much money or other things ..... but my life was alot less complicated ...
Me also. My life was alot less complicated when all I did was look at the world from between the ears of a horse or over the steeringwheel of a John Deere tractor.

you know age really doesn't matter here as it is lifes experiences that matter. angry you have chosen the right path in life. It is much better to get an education and not have to do manual labor. But please remember that those of us who do manual labor do it so you dont have to.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm a pansy...worst job I've had was running a jackhammer out by Stapleton...breathing carbon monoxide for 12 hours a day and shaking the fillings out of your teeth for the kiing's ransom of $8 an hour (1978)...puts shoulders on ya though...second worse...interacting with corporate lawyer ****heads who think theirs don't stink.;D

[Bronx33]

its a free country.


I agree it's free for legal citizens.

[Spider]

Me also. My life was alot less complicated when all I did was look at the world from between the ears of a horse or over the steeringwheel of a John Deere tractor. still hear th pop from a deere ...;D

you know age really doesn't matter here as it is lifes experiences that matter. angry you have chosen the right path in life. It is much better to get an education and not have to do manual labor. But please remember that those of us who do manual labor do it so you dont have to.
no matter what you do in life , do it the best you can , unless of course you are dealing drugs ......

[Saddletramp]

still hear th pop from a deere ...;D

Fortunately I never had to drive a tractor old enough to pop.