Best Offensive Line in the AFC West

[WoodMan]

Thought I'd use some of Boob's Statistical Logic to stir the off season soup.
However, I have undisputable proof!:egbgb:

2005 Total Rushing Yards:
DENVER BRONCOS 2539
KC Chiefs 2382
San Diego Chargers 2072
Chokeland Faders 1369

2005 Total Sacks Given Up
DENVER BRONCOS 23
KC Chiefs 32
San Diego Chargers 31
Chokeland Faders 45

And there you have it!

[kmartin575]

Did the Denver Broncos lose Matt Lepsis for 6 games? I think not. A healthy Chiefs O-line is easily the best in the AFC West and the best in the entire NFL.

[SureShot]

Did the Denver Broncos lose Matt Lepsis for 6 games? I think not. A healthy Chiefs O-line is easily the best in the AFC West and the best in the entire NFL.

Whats your excuse for 2004?

Rushing Sacks

Denver 2333 15
KC 2289 32

[Paladin]

Mullets don't like numbers that don't praise their team. They can hardly read, so numbers just confuse them unless they make them up.

Poor, poor mullets.

[69bronco]

Thanks for posting that, i'm sick of hearing how great kc's oline is and how denver's shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. btw Roaf is a giant burnt out china doll...

[SoCalBronco]

Did the Denver Broncos lose Matt Lepsis for 6 games? I think not. A healthy Chiefs O-line is easily the best in the AFC West and the best in the entire NFL.

I'd agree that the Chiefs are the best in the division right now, although it would be absurd to say they are "easily" the best. Denver is quite productive despite not being maulers, although our athleticism and size sometimes gets us in trouble in short yardage and on the goalline when we have some problems moving piles forward.

I think the Eagles have the brightest future of any OL in the league, with Andrews, Jean-Gilles and Justice.

[24champ]

Thanks for posting that, i'm sick of hearing how great kc's oline is and how denver's shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. btw Roaf is a giant burnt out china doll...
welcome to the mane 69, post stuff like that and you will fit right in around these parts.:thumbsup:

[Kaylore]

Did the Denver Broncos lose Matt Lepsis for 6 games? I think not. A healthy Chiefs O-line is easily the best in the AFC West and the best in the entire NFL.
http://mcdb.colorado.edu/courses/3280/images/sleep/tantrum.gif

[Sarcastro]

Somebody should post a poll to see which o-line Maners think is the best in the division.

Here are some other stats:

2005 offensive stats

Total offense
KC: #1
Denver: #5
SD: #10
Oakland: #21

Rushing offense
KC: #4
Denver: #2
SD: #9
Oak: #29

Passing offense
KC: #6
Denver: #18
SD: #12
Oak: #10

Scoring offense
KC: #6
Denver: #7
SD: #5
Oak: #23

2004 offensive stats

Total offense
KC: #1
Denver: #5
SD: #10
Oak: #17

Rushing offense
KC: #5
Denver: #4
SD: #6
Oak: #32

Passing offense
KC: #4
Denver: #6
SD: #16
Oak: #8

Scoring offense
KC: #2
Denver: #9
SD: #3
Oak: #18

The one thing I can see from all this is that Oakland sucks. The rest of us are in pretty good shape.

[24champ]

Did the Denver Broncos lose Matt Lepsis for 6 games? I think not. A healthy Chiefs O-line is easily the best in the AFC West and the best in the entire NFL.
Injuries are part of the game, Roaf is a p##sy.

What chef fans should get used to is this image next year...
http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/25B2B3EC907841699434F222CC422123.JPG?0.81600488810 68883

[Sarcastro]

Injuries are part of the game, Roaf is a p##sy.

What chef fans should get used to is this image next year...
http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/25B2B3EC907841699434F222CC422123.JPG?0.81600488810 68883

It would be interesting if we had a poll asking how many Maners think Roaf is a pussy. What do you think the results would be 24champbailey?

[24champ]

It would be interesting if we had a poll asking how many Maners think Roaf is a p***Y. What do you think the results would be 24champbailey?
I think we should have a poll that says how long do you think Roaf will last this season?:spit:

[Sarcastro]

I think we should have a poll that says how long do you think Roaf will last this season?:spit:

That would be cool. We need more Chiefs talk on this board.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Injuries are part of the game, Roaf is a p##sy.

What chef fans should get used to is this image next year...
http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images/25B2B3EC907841699434F222CC422123.JPG?0.81600488810 68883

Green just threw a 70-yard touchdown pass mere seconds before that photo was taken. Nice job, dumbass. :rofl:

[24champ]

Green just threw a 70-yard touchdown pass mere seconds before that photo was taken. Nice job, dumbass. :rofl:
http://www.dodgeglobe.com/photogallery/101804/images/football2.jpg

i guess this image would be better.:rofl:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

By the way, Denver threw the ball less and had a more mobile QB, of course they allowed fewer sacks. Green has a tendency to hold the ball, too.

Denver has a very good offensive line, but it's not better than KC's.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

http://www.dodgeglobe.com/photogallery/101804/images/football2.jpg

i guess this image would be better.:rofl:

You're still a dumbass. The Chiefs line isn't suddenly going to become a sieve in pass protection.

[Florida_Bronco]

You're still a dumbass. The Chiefs line isn't suddenly going to become a sieve in pass protection.

You better hope no one gets injured, or you could very easily have a repeat performance of last years game in Denver.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You better hope no one gets injured, or you could very easily have a repeat performance of last years game in Denver.

I don't think Roaf is going to have a freak injury in week one like he did last year. I AM concerned about the right tackle spot.

However...Larry Johnson is going to touch the ball 30 times in Denver this year. He didn't do that last year. !Booya!

[24champ]

I don't think Roaf is going to have a freak injury in week one like he did last year. I AM concerned about the right tackle spot.

However...Larry Johnson is going to touch the ball 30 times in Denver this year. He didn't do that last year. !Booya!
LJ is all you have haha thankfully the Broncos have a more complete team...Rumors are that Roaf isnt feeling all that great about playing another year..

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LJ is all you have haha thankfully the Broncos have a more complete team...Rumors are that Roaf isnt feeling all that great about playing another year..

LJ is all we have?

[Florida_Bronco]

However...Larry Johnson is going to touch the ball 30 times in Denver this year. He didn't do that last year. !Booya!

Yeah, that 1.6 YPC was totally awesome, so awesome in fact that the Chiefs showed as much mercy on the Broncos as to only gave him the ball 8 times.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah, that 1.6 YPC was totally awesome, so awesome in fact that the Chiefs showed as much mercy on the Broncos as to only gave him the ball 8 times.

Hey...whatever. Few RBs in this league are going to do **** with 8 carries. If you think LJ is going to average 1.6 YPC in Denver this year, you are dumb.

[24champ]

Hey...whatever. Few RBs in this league are going to do **** with 8 carries. If you think LJ is going to average 1.6 YPC in Denver this year, you are dumb.
yeah your right, probably 1.2 YPC...

[Florida_Bronco]

Hey...whatever. Few RBs in this league are going to do **** with 8 carries. If you think LJ is going to average 1.6 YPC in Denver this year, you are dumb.

Why would you keep giving him the ball if he isn't doing ****? Come on, if he is so great he should have at least got 2.5 YPC.

LJ got bitch slapped in Denver and you know it.

[Florida_Bronco]

Im not gonna argue that Denver has a very good Oline, but it really doesnt compare to the Oline that is in KC. Denver has always been good in the running game and the "illegal'' back cut blocking that they had with Gibbs but KC overpowers everyone in the NFL. You really cant compare the 2. Jake Plummer would wish he had Roaf Shields Waters Nalen (whos better than Weigman) and Turley protecting him.

Why do you put "illegal" there? Does that imply that you KNOW that our blocking scheme complies with the NFL rulebook? Why do you guys keep bringing up Turley too? This guy has serious back issues and hasn't played in what, 2 years? They were also talking about putting him at TE.

First, you should worry about getting him on the field before you start voting him into the Pro Bowl.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why would you keep giving him the ball if he isn't doing ****? Come on, if he is so great he should have at least got 2.5 YPC.

LJ got b**** slapped in Denver and you know it.
LJ will be running all over Denver's ass for the rest of his career.

[kmartin575]

I'd agree that the Chiefs are the best in the division right now, although it would be absurd to say they are "easily" the best. Denver is quite productive despite not being maulers, although our athleticism and size sometimes gets us in trouble in short yardage and on the goalline when we have some problems moving piles forward.

I think the Eagles have the brightest future of any OL in the league, with Andrews, Jean-Gilles and Justice.

I will agree the Eagles have the brightest future. However, the future isn't here yet.

[Florida_Bronco]

LJ will be running all over Denver's ass for the rest of his career.

:homer:

[BroncoBuff]

Im not gonna argue that Denver has a very good Oline, but it really doesnt compare to the Oline that is in KC. Denver has always been good in the running game and the "illegal'' back cut blocking that they had with Gibbs but KC overpowers everyone in the NFL. You really cant compare the 2. Jake Plummer would wish he had Roaf Shields Waters Nalen (whos better than Weigman) and Turley protecting him.
TURLEY?!

I'll lay you even money Kyle Turley doesn't even make the roster. He's no spring chicken, he's been outta the game for awhile, he's changing positions, he's off steroids, and I don't think he has all his marbles. If you're using Kyle Turley for an argument that KC's line is better than Denver's .... you've already lost that argument.

[kmartin575]

Let's put it this way:

2005
Kansas City: 29 sacks
Denver: 28 sacks

2004
Kansas City: 41 sacks
Denver: 38 sacks

I guess that means our defensive line is better, doesn't it.

[kmartin575]

TURLEY?!

I'll lay you even money Kyle Turley doesn't even make the roster. He's no spring chicken, he's been outta the game for awhile, he's changing positions, he's off steroids, and I don't think he has all his marbles. If you're using Kyle Turley for an argument that KC's line is better than Denver's .... you've already lost that argument.

Changing positions? Try to know what you are talking about before you post. Turley played right tackle most of his career (except for a few times where he played at left tackle) and he is going to play right tackle in KC. The Chiefs are not putting him at TE. THEY ARE PUTTING HIM AT RIGHT TACKLE, HIS USUAL POSITION. Therefore, HE IS NOT CHANGING POSITIONS.

[24champ]

Let's put it this way:

2005
Kansas City: 29 sacks
Denver: 28 sacks

2004
Kansas City: 41 sacks
Denver: 38 sacks

I guess that means our defensive line is better, doesn't it.
let me put it this way

Broncos 13-3
Chefs 10-6

[Florida_Bronco]

let me put it this way

Broncos 13-3
Chefs 10-6

:~ohyah!:

[kmartin575]

let me put it this way

Broncos 13-3
Chefs 10-6

Ok, and your point is? I will admit you guys had a better team as a whole but that is not what we are talking about.

[BroncoBuff]

Changing positions? Try to know what you are talking about before you post. Turley played right tackle most of his career (except for a few times where he played at left tackle) and he is going to play right tackle in KC. The Chiefs are not putting him at TE. THEY ARE PUTTING HIM AT RIGHT TACKLE, HIS USUAL POSITION. Therefore, HE IS NOT CHANGING POSITIONS.
Okay .... pardon me if my Chefs' "where do we play the burnout?" info is dated. But how about the rest?

Turley won't even make the roster.

[Florida_Bronco]

Nowhere in my post did I say that Turley was gonna be a Pro Bowler. It also wouldnt surprise me if he did make i as well. Some of your Olinemen have been fined with the **** you do on your Oline. I'm not saying its an excuse for Chiefs players, but back cut blocking is dangerous to the players and the game.

None of our players have been fined for cutback blocks because it is perfectly legal according to the NFL rulebook. The only Bronco O-linemen I can recall being fined recently was Dan Neil in 2000 or 2001 I believe, for his block which ended the Charger's Jamal Williams season. If I recall, that was the type of block where a defensive player is engaged by a blocker and then another blocker comes in and hits him below the waist or knees...that is illegal.

Turley will play RT for those who wanna know. We really have no intentions in putting him in the TE position. He tried out for that position in MIA but it didnt work out. He's currently gaining weight and etc and he will be close to playing time when TC starts. The AFC West should be concerned.

Everything that was posted here prior to him signing had him being switched to TE. Now if things have changed and he's now going to RT, then fine, but he still has back problems and hasn't played in 2 years.

[BroncoBuff]

Goodnight Mane.
"Sleep tight, ya morons!"

Anybody know that literary reference? Tredici?

[Florida_Bronco]

Nowhere in my post did I say that Turley was gonna be a Pro Bowler.

Turley will be a Probowler this coming season. Count on it.

Yeah, ok, whatever you say.

[kmartin575]

Okay .... pardon me if my Chefs' "where do we play the burnout?" info is dated. But how about the rest?

Turley won't even make the roster.

If he can't get his weight up he won't. However, if he can get back up to about 290 or 300 (he is currently at about 275) he is good enough to make the roster and excel at right tackle.

[24champ]

Goodnight Mane.
thats all folks oink oink...


Yeah, ok, whatever you say.
haha what a clown...:spit:

[24champ]

Ok, and your point is? I will admit you guys had a better team as a whole but that is not what we are talking about.
well what was your point when you put up defensive stats?

[Odysseus]

Dear Broncos diary,

Game two of the 2006 season is now over and all the Chiefs fans have left the Orangemane. They aren't comatose like the Raider fans or fetal like the Chargers fans but something else. I'm not sure if the shock of getting totally tatooed at Mile High will ever wear off. They knew they were going to lose but like this? It was horrible. Poor Chiefs fans. You almost feel sorry for them remember all the frothy off season ranting over nothing.

It was so refreshing to see all those red avatars changed to bright orange background with a Plummer standing on Trent Green's head. I think the are going to really kind of quiet until Thanksgiving. The meltdown at Chiefs planet was legendary.

Herm Edwards tried to cry like Vermin but it didn't carry off as well especially when he tried to do a grass angel in the end zone. They say he'll be alright after the medication kicks in. Gunther checked into Betty Ford. Roaf hasn't been seen since he disappeared during the game. There are rumors but nothing for certain. The reporters walked right by LG to interview Bell on his big game. Bell was embarrassed since he never gets half the press of LJ.

This was a beautiful day in Broncos history.

Oh P.S. Bob has taken to wearing cocktail dresses at the tailgates. He still says he's not gay but the lipstick is a little loud and those nylons just don't make the right statement.

[crazyhorse]

Dear Broncos diary,

Game two of the 2006 season is now over and all the Chiefs fans have left the Orangemane. They aren't comatose like the Raider fans or fetal like the Chargers fans but something else. I'm not sure if the shock of getting totally tatooed at Mile High will ever wear off. They knew they were going to lose but like this? It was horrible. Poor Chiefs fans. You almost feel sorry for them remember all the frothy off season ranting over nothing.

It was so refreshing to see all those red avatars changed to bright orange background with a Plummer standing on Trent Green's head. I think the are going to really kind of quiet until Thanksgiving. The meltdown at Chiefs planet was legendary.

Herm Edwards tried to cry like Vermin but it didn't carry off as well especially when he tried to do a grass angel in the end zone. They say he'll be alright after the medication kicks in. Gunther checked into Betty Ford. Roaf hasn't been seen since he disappeared during the game. There are rumors but nothing for certain. The reporters walked right by LG to interview Bell on his big game. Bell was embarrassed since he never gets half the press of LJ.

This was a beautiful day in Broncos history.

Oh P.S. Bob has taken to wearing cocktail dresses at the tailgates. He still says he's not gay but the lipstick is a little loud and those nylons just don't make the right statement.

I can somewhat understand the reason for your fantasies concerning the Chiefs. However, can you explain the fantasies about bob? Your graphic detailed description comes across as well thought out. But then, I have noticed that most Bronco fans spend a great deal of time thinking about bob.

p.s. You can take great comfort in knowing that whether the Chiefs win or lose at "Inevsco field", I wont leave the 'mane. I will be here until Donk fans run out of stupid. I think we all know what the chances of that are.

[WoodMan]

Let's put it this way:

2005
Kansas City: 29 sacks
Denver: 28 sacks

2004
Kansas City: 41 sacks
Denver: 38 sacks

I guess that means our defensive line is better, doesn't it.
Jeez, the Cheeps slid from 41 sacks in '04 to 29 in '05, and from all the claims I've read from yall, the 2005 D-line was a great improvement. You can't have it both ways.

[crazyhorse]

Jeez, the Cheeps slid from 41 sacks in '04 to 29 in '05, and from all the claims I've read from yall, the 2005 was a great improvement. You can't have it both ways.

I am not sure that Chiefs fans have been making claims that there was great imrovement on our D-line as much as we have been claiming that our D line is better than yours.

We have claimed that we improved in run defense. My contention is that imrovement comes more from LBer play than D line play.

That said, it would be tough to argue that the Chiefs dont need help on the defensive line this season. Same goes for Denver.

[Tom A Hawk]

Green just threw a 70-yard touchdown pass mere seconds before that photo was taken. Nice job, dumbass. :rofl:


Hilarious! Hilarious!

[redrage]

Comparing offensive lines is a pretty subjective thing to do. Why? Because they are asked to do different things.

I would argue that KC's offense relies more heavily on the ability of it's offensive line to pull, block in space and pass block with mininal help. It's a scheme difference.

Look at St. Louis (who runs the same system). I would argue that the offensive personnel they have there is every bit as good, if not better than KC has but for one exception--their offensive line. For reasons not known by me, Martz continually hung his QB and RB's out to dry because he had a dearth of talent on the O-line. They are asked to maintain blocks longer to let complicated routes develop. The QB stays in the pocket. He gets killed.

KC has avoided that (for the most part). By investing the offensive line, they've been able to still produce with less than stellar talent at the WR position. However, stick less talented guys in those positions (Jordan black anyone?) and the offense will struggle (i.e. at Denver, at Buffalo, Philidelphia) Is Green that much better than Bulger? I would wager that he isn't.

As far as Denver is concerned, it relies more on zone blocking, bootlegs and moving pockets (is that accurate?). This misdirection is to protect the QB. It works and is effective. I you try to have either O-line do what is required of the other, the results may not be pretty.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think you have to give the knod to KC's, but not by much. When you add in Dunn and Trich...they would have been over the top...but no more Trich

[Odysseus]

I can somewhat understand the reason for your fantasies concerning the Chiefs. However, can you explain the fantasies about bob? Your graphic detailed description comes across as well thought out. But then, I have noticed that most Bronco fans spend a great deal of time thinking about bob.

p.s. You can take great comfort in knowing that whether the Chiefs win or lose at "Inevsco field", I wont leave the 'mane. I will be here until Donk fans run out of stupid. I think we all know what the chances of that are.

I am deeply touched at your sensitivity about poor Bob and his situation as mascot of the Mane. In fact I was getting teary eyed until I realized the only Bob defenders here are the Chief fans who, despite not being gay like to spend hours on threads about penis size and other things that on a family website are sometimes considered...what is the word I am looking for? Questionable?

I don't care what you Chief retards talk about but do you have to steal every single thread? Isn't there a Chiefs forum you can run and play in? I used to advocate Chiefs opinions. I call this my penance.

I don't think about Bob. That would require me caring. I don't think about Scorpions either. I just squish them. Bob is a drama queen. The world revolves around Bob. MOST Broncos fans don't care about Bob one way or another. I'm sick of Bob's crap. The fact I'm even answering you should let you know just how sick I am of Bob's crap.

Unfortunately your stay here is not limited by the stupidity of Broncos fans. No. I'm afraid it's tied directly to that lump of gray crap between your eyes. You choose to stay here. That is the problem with Chief retards. It's always someone elses fault. The league should have more games! We have good stats! Trent Green rules! Our running back is the best in this sector of the galaxy. Oh Dear GOD! Please get over yourselves! Raiders are at least fun to pick on they easy to hate. You guys are like Chargers fans on crack and bad coffee. You aren't strong enough to do anything other than stink and make a lot of threatening noises. Please put whatever that is in your shopping cart and just take your homeless butts back to Chiefs planet.

If all you have to offer this site is defending Bob and attacking me you are wasting your time. Bob is a chunk of crap on two legs and isn't worth your time and frankly niether am I. Look at all the time you spend reading 300 word essays? Is your life that worthless?

Besides by week four your team will be on a roller coaster the season is over. Who will you have to blame for that? Hot Carl sure doesn't get enough press around here boy howdy.

[dbfan4life]

Surely you are not that big of a ****ing idiot. I could be wrong though.

He's not an idiot...and quit calling him Shirley!

(Sorry, had to! I was watching Airplane on HBO this morning!)

[kmartin575]

Jeez, the Cheeps slid from 41 sacks in '04 to 29 in '05, and from all the claims I've read from yall, the 2005 D-line was a great improvement. You can't have it both ways.

And you slipped from 38 to 28 with your almighty "Browncos".

[Killericon]

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/l/cbg.jpg

Worst. Thread. Ever.

[Steve Sewell]

I don't think Roaf is going to have a freak injury in week one like he did last year. I AM concerned about the right tackle spot.

However...Larry Johnson is going to touch the ball 30 times in Denver this year. He didn't do that last year. !Booya!
Will he fumble on your own 10 yard line again?

Boob:

"No, Larry Johnson is going to blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"

[Steve Sewell]

Im not gonna argue that Denver has a very good Oline, but it really doesnt compare to the Oline that is in KC. Denver has always been good in the running game and the "illegal'' back cut blocking that they had with Gibbs but KC overpowers everyone in the NFL. You really cant compare the 2. Jake Plummer would wish he had Roaf Shields Waters Nalen (whos better than Weigman) and Turley protecting him.

Turley?Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[Steve Sewell]

LJ will be running all over Denver's ass for the rest of his career.

So, Boob...what happens for Diaper Boy when Shield and Roaf retire next year?

Jordan Black to the rescue?

[Steve Sewell]

Changing positions? Try to know what you are talking about before you post. Turley played right tackle most of his career (except for a few times where he played at left tackle) and he is going to play right tackle in KC. The Chiefs are not putting him at TE. THEY ARE PUTTING HIM AT RIGHT TACKLE, HIS USUAL POSITION. Therefore, HE IS NOT CHANGING POSITIONS.

That's great! Did you remember to mention that Turley retired two seasons ago because of chronic back problems caused by constant stress and excess weight that he needed to play tackle? Of course not...

I'm sure we'll see Turley in Pro Bowl form in no time.

[kmartin575]

So, Boob...what happens for Diaper Boy when Shield and Roaf retire next year?

Jordan Black to the rescue?

No, Will Svitek to the rescue. If not him, then have you ever heard of the draft and free agency?

[Steve Sewell]

Nowhere in my post did I say that Turley was gonna be a Pro Bowler. It also wouldnt surprise me if he did make i as well. Some of your Olinemen have been fined with the **** you do on your Oline. I'm not saying its an excuse for Chiefs players, but back cut blocking is dangerous to the players and the game.

Turley will play RT for those who wanna know. We really have no intentions in putting him in the TE position. He tried out for that position in MIA but it didnt work out. He's currently gaining weight and etc and he will be close to playing time when TC starts. The AFC West should be concerned.

Moron: Stating that you aren't sure whether Turley will make the team, and then stating that the AFC should be concerned is stupidity at it's finest. Way to contradict yourself within a matter of seconds! Classic Chief fan idiocy...no wonder they still sellout Camarohead.

[Steve Sewell]

If he can't get his weight up he won't. However, if he can get back up to about 290 or 300 (he is currently at about 275) he is good enough to make the roster and excel at right tackle.

With a chronically bad back and knees? I'm sure he'd be great if it was like 5 years ago, but this is 2006.

The reason he was considering playing TE is because the weight at that position would be much better for him health-wise. His back and knees can't stand the weight, and may I remind you that he RETIRED because of this 2 years ago?

[Steve Sewell]

No, Will Svitek to the rescue. If not him, then have you ever heard of the draft and free agency?
Hows that drafting and free agency thing worked out for you lately with ol' Hot Carl? I seem to remember the Chiefs winning a playoff game in 1993, but other than that? Aren't the Chiefs in the 4th phase of his 20 year plan?

[Odysseus]

That said, it would be tough to argue that the Chiefs dont need help on the defensive line this season. Same goes for Denver.

I'm not convinced Denver's Dline sucks just yet. I don't think we have any stars on the line but we still have players. I haven't really looked at the Chiefs line but I do remember open field tackling being REALLY bad.

[Rausch]

So, Boob...what happens for Diaper Boy when Shield and Roaf retire next year?

Jordan Black to the rescue?

Indeed.

If KC had a proven track record of drafting, signing, and trading for offensive lineman for the last 20 years you might think they'd find solid replacements...

[kmartin575]

With a chronically bad back and knees? I'm sure he'd be great if it was like 5 years ago, but this is 2006.

The reason he was considering playing TE is because the weight at that position would be much better for him health-wise. His back and knees can't stand the weight, and may I remind you that he RETIRED because of this 2 years ago?

Don't you think an NFL teams medical staff and Kyle Turley himself know a little more about his medical situation than you do? I doubt the Chiefs would have signed him at all if they did not feel there was some chance he could hold the weight and be healthy. Also, Kyle Turley would not have agreed to play tackle again if he did not feel he could regain the weight and stay healthy. He has stated that he is not just eating alot to get fat and gain weight. He is working out and eating a diet that will help him gain weight to where he can hold the weight and stay healthy.

[kmartin575]

Hows that drafting and free agency thing worked out for you lately with ol' Hot Carl? I seem to remember the Chiefs winning a playoff game in 1993, but other than that? Aren't the Chiefs in the 4th phase of his 20 year plan?

Uh, what does that have to do with anything? Stupid Denver fans can't win an argument so they have to go off subject.

The Chiefs had a great offensive line before Willie Roaf and I have no doubt they will have one after him.

[kmartin575]

I'm not convinced Denver's Dline sucks just yet. I don't think we have any stars on the line but we still have players. I haven't really looked at the Chiefs line but I do remember open field tackling being REALLY bad.

Denver had nobody on there defensive line with more than 4 sacks. That is pathetic. And before you try and say that your defensive line was part of a "much better" run defense, take a look at this:

Denver Broncos run defense: allowed 4.0 yards per carry
Kansas City Chiefs run defense: Allowed 4.1 yards per carry

The Broncos defensive line is no better than the Chiefs. When it comes to rushing the passer, your line sucks.

[Tom A Hawk]

quiettiger - you write some of the wittiest things to be read.
You got some talent

[Bob's your Information Minister]

quiettiger - you write some of the wittiest things to be read.
You got some talent

He's more creative than that hack Paladin, anyway.

[Tom A Hawk]

He's more creative than that hack Paladin, anyway.

is that the yahoo that always uses the word mullet?
Who ever that is needs to expand the vocabulary. quiettiger could lend him a hand

[Bob's your Information Minister]

is that the yahoo that always uses the word mullet?
Who ever that is needs to expand the vocabulary. quiettiger could lend him a hand

Yes. He think his "poor, poor mullets" crap is entertaining.

[Kaylore]

Comparing offensive lines is a pretty subjective thing to do. Why? Because they are asked to do different things.

I would argue that KC's offense relies more heavily on the ability of it's offensive line to pull, block in space and pass block with mininal help. It's a scheme difference.

Look at St. Louis (who runs the same system). I would argue that the offensive personnel they have there is every bit as good, if not better than KC has but for one exception--their offensive line. For reasons not known by me, Martz continually hung his QB and RB's out to dry because he had a dearth of talent on the O-line. They are asked to maintain blocks longer to let complicated routes develop. The QB stays in the pocket. He gets killed.

KC has avoided that (for the most part). By investing the offensive line, they've been able to still produce with less than stellar talent at the WR position. However, stick less talented guys in those positions (Jordan black anyone?) and the offense will struggle (i.e. at Denver, at Buffalo, Philidelphia) Is Green that much better than Bulger? I would wager that he isn't.

As far as Denver is concerned, it relies more on zone blocking, bootlegs and moving pockets (is that accurate?). This misdirection is to protect the QB. It works and is effective. I you try to have either O-line do what is required of the other, the results may not be pretty.

Rep. Solid post. Way to have a real take when the rest of us want to flame each others' team too.

[DenverBrit]

Denver had nobody on there defensive line with more than 4 sacks. That is pathetic. And before you try and say that your defensive line was part of a "much better" run defense, take a look at this:

Denver Broncos run defense: allowed 4.0 yards per carry
Kansas City Chiefs run defense: Allowed 4.1 yards per carry

The Broncos defensive line is no better than the Chiefs. When it comes to rushing the passer, your line sucks.


You are a broken record. The last time D was discussed, you and Bob were seen holding hands and skipping down the hallway celebrating having a 'very average' defense. Give it up, you sound sophomoric and desperate for validation.

[Steve Sewell]

Don't you think an NFL teams medical staff and Kyle Turley himself know a little more about his medical situation than you do? I doubt the Chiefs would have signed him at all if they did not feel there was some chance he could hold the weight and be healthy. Also, Kyle Turley would not have agreed to play tackle again if he did not feel he could regain the weight and stay healthy. He has stated that he is not just eating alot to get fat and gain weight. He is working out and eating a diet that will help him gain weight to where he can hold the weight and stay healthy.

May I remind you of a certain Kendrell Bell who was denied by the Giants medical staff, ok'd by the Chumps, and was held out of contact for the entire training camp last year? He was a real impact player for you guys last year, wasn't he?

[Steve Sewell]

Uh, what does that have to do with anything? Stupid Denver fans can't win an argument so they have to go off subject.

The Chiefs had a great offensive line before Willie Roaf and I have no doubt they will have one after him.

YOU are the one who asked me if I've ever heard of the draft of free agency, dipsh!t. How is that off-subject if it's part of the post that I'm responding to?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

May I remind you of a certain Kendrell Bell who was denied by the Giants medical staff, ok'd by the Chumps, and was held out of contact for the entire training camp last year? He was a real impact player for you guys last year, wasn't he?

Wow! That is an excellent point. I am going to use that in an article.

[Steve Sewell]

Wow! That is an excellent point. I am going to use that in an article.

WTF are you talking about? I was responding to your butt-buddy, and citing the Kendrell Bell situation as proof of the Chiefs medical staff's ineptitude when it comes to OKing marginally healthy players.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

WTF are you talking about? I was responding to your butt-buddy, and citing the Kendrell Bell situation as proof of the Chiefs medical staff's ineptitude when it comes to OKing marginally healthy players.

Yes. It is an excellent point.

[Steve Sewell]

Yes. It is an excellent point.

I have to double take because I think you are agreeing with me. Are you being sarcastic?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I have to double take because I think you are agreeing with me. Are you being sarcastic?

No. I am not sold on Turley. I think the loss of Welbourn is a major blow to the Chiefs. I don't expect Turley to play anywhere near as well.

[24champ]

YOU are the one who asked me if I've ever heard of the draft of free agency, dipsh!t. How is that off-subject if it's part of the post that I'm responding to?
he also brought up defensive statistics earlier in the thread, talk about a tool steve...Ha!

[Tom A Hawk]

May I remind you of a certain Kendrell Bell who was denied by the Giants medical staff, ok'd by the Chumps, and was held out of contact for the entire training camp last year? He was a real impact player for you guys last year, wasn't he?

ouch........that is going to leave a mark.
do you guys have to remember everything?

[doof]

But didn't the Chiefs medical staff fail Samari Rolle's physical when he went to visit with KC? Maybe this medical staff just doesn't know what it's doing.

[kamakazi_kal]

So, Boob...what happens for Diaper Boy when Shield and Roaf retire next year?

Jordan Black to the rescue?


they lean on their defense!!!!!!!...... duhhhh:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

[WoodMan]

And you slipped from 38 to 28 with your almighty "Browncos".
"Mines bigger than yours is!" You need to grow up boy. Go back to Chef's Planet and mature for a few years!