Hali and Roaf

[watermock]

Pretty amusing.

Chiefs | Hali not impressive; but he could still start
Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:23:31 -0700

Elizabeth Merrill, of the Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards was asked to discuss which rookies impressed him last week as the team's minicamp ended. Edwards said he wasn't going to mention DE Tamba Hali. "He is what he is," Edwards said. "What you saw in college, he's doing the same thing out here. He doesn't impress me; we expected that out of him." Hali was running with the No. 1 defense for much of the spring, but part of that was because DE Eric Hicks is recovering from shoulder surgery. Hali is expected to see a lot of playing time and may even start.


Chiefs | Roaf having second thoughts?
Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:20:39 -0700

Elizabeth Merrill, of the Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs OT Willie Roaf said this spring that the excitement at the end of 2005 compelled him to come back for another season. He hasn't been around in recent offseason workouts, prompting the rumor that maybe he'd had a change of heart. Head coach Herman Edwards is counting on him being back. "He's fine," Edwards said. "He's with his family, with his kids."

[SoCalBronco]

Yeah I saw something on Roaf, I guess he talked to a reporter in Louisiana or something about how his body isnt feeling the same as it has the last few years or whatever. Bob claims its not a big deal but we will see.

Tamba is a good kid, im sure this is a motivational tool, he has to work out some things in his game but I think he will eventually be a very good player.

[Pendejo]

I hate the Chiefs, but Edward's statements as to the progression of Tamba weren't exactly negative...a la...

"He is what he is," Edwards said. "What you saw in college, he's doing the same thing out here. He doesn't impress me; we expected that out of him."

Whatever. Unfortunately this kid is not going to bust.

[Florida_Bronco]

Yeah I saw something on Roaf, I guess he talked to a reporter in Louisiana or something about how his body isnt feeling the same as it has the last few years or whatever. Bob claims its not a big deal but we will see.

Tamba is a good kid, im sure this is a motivational tool, he has to work out some things in his game but I think he will eventually be a very good player.

Chiefs Planet is in meltdown mode over that. You should check out the thread they have over there.

[SoCalBronco]

Your right Pendejo, I totally misread that.

[Kaylore]

Chiefs Planet is in meltdown mode over that. You should check out the thread they have over there.
I would be if I were them. They are a completely different team when he doesn't play and they know it.

[Odysseus]

This seems more like coaching issues to me. How did all of these guys suddenly get old or develop a case of the quits? He statement about Hali doesn't inspire confidence that he'll be a performer.

Chiefs are bleeding. The first team that punches them in the mouth and they are going to fold like a house of cards.

[kmartin575]

This seems more like coaching issues to me. How did all of these guys suddenly get old or develop a case of the quits? He statement about Hali doesn't inspire confidence that he'll be a performer.

Chiefs are bleeding. The first team that punches them in the mouth and they are going to fold like a house of cards.

Read the actual article smart guy. Herm Edwards did not say that he wasn't impressed with Hali. He said that he already knew what Tamba Hali was capable of doing so nothing he did surprised him. However, he was surprised by the play of several other rookies and took note of there play. The dumb*** at KFFL who wrote that heading is an idiot who doesn't know how to read correctly.

[Odysseus]

Read the actual article smart guy. Herm Edwards did not say that he wasn't impressed with Hali. He said that he already knew what Tamba Hali was capable of doing so nothing he did surprised him. However, he was surprised by the play of several other rookies and took note of there play. The dumb*** at KFFL who wrote that heading is an idiot who doesn't know how to read correctly.


I know what Herm said. I still don't care.

What I care about is every week something comes of Chiefland where some is retiring, hurt, on their knees tired, getting yelled at by Gunther, or is not feeling the absolute peach.

I am talking about forests. You are talking about trees. I don't need powerpoint slides for that. A big fat red stupid crayon will do nicely.

[OrangeShadow]

i think this article is being read through orange glasses

[gunns]

Chiefs are bleeding. The first team that punches them in the mouth and they are going to fold like a house of cards.

Cincy or Denver?

[Odysseus]

Cincy or Denver?

Good call. If they can't get past Cinci then they are in real trouble. Denver will take them out and then they are down 0-2 at the bye. Sure. Beating eh 49ers is easy but the Cards drafted smart and are hungry for soft teams. Then they have Pittsburgh, Seattle...It could get ugly. They have to beat Denver early in the season.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Chiefs are the team that's going to be punching everyone in the mouth...strong running game...strong run defense...doesn't sound like a soft team to me.

[sirhcyennek81]

The Chiefs are the team that's going to be punching everyone in the mouth...strong running game...strong run defense...doesn't sound like a soft team to me.



Thats because you have cocks in your ears, Bob.


:Broncos:

[Rascal]

If Palmer isn't 100% the squaws will beat the benguls if Roaf and Shields are playing.

[Florida_Bronco]

Thats because you have cocks in your ears, Bob.


:Broncos:

^5

[Steve Sewell]

This seems more like coaching issues to me. How did all of these guys suddenly get old or develop a case of the quits? He statement about Hali doesn't inspire confidence that he'll be a performer.

Chiefs are bleeding. The first team that punches them in the mouth and they are going to fold like a house of cards.

And that would be a change from.......any other year?:~ohyah!:

[Steve Sewell]

The Chiefs are the team that's going to be punching everyone in the mouth...strong running game...strong run defense...doesn't sound like a soft team to me.

First of all, I'm sure you've already been told this, but that is the whackest Avatar on the OMane outside of Colt Steele's. It's almost creepy...

I hear about this strong running defense, but then I look at the fact that the Chumps made no impact changes to their d-line or LB corps, and then I think about the Giants game last year (among others).

Lional Dalton is arguable your most consistent DT...ROFL!

[Smiling Assassin27]

yes, Tiki Barber is STILL impressed with your run defense...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I hear about this strong running defense, but then I look at the fact that the Chumps made no impact changes to their d-line or LB corps, and then I think about the Giants game last year (among others).


We don't need any changes to the defensive line or LB corps when it comes to run defense. We were extremely solid last year.

We just need some more pass rush and hopefully we have it with Tamba Hali and a healthy Carlos Hall. Gunther is flapping his gums about Kendrell Bell but I'm certainly not going to pimp any of that garbage.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

yes, Tiki Barber is STILL impressed with your run defense...

You guys need to stop bringing up the Tiki Barber game. It wasn't indicative of how our run defense peformed over the course of a season.

[Kaylore]

You guys need to stop bringing up the Tiki Barber game. It wasn't indicative of how our run defense peformed over the course of a season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lcLlmwETjY&search=tiki%20barber

[Steve Sewell]

We don't need any changes to the defensive line or LB corps when it comes to run defense. We were extremely solid last year.

We just need some more pass rush and hopefully we have it with Tamba Hali and a healthy Carlos Hall. Gunther is flapping his gums about Kendrell Bell but I'm certainly not going to pimp any of that garbage.
See the guy in my new Avatar? He could suit up for the Broncos tomorrow and still torch your run D.

Oh, and by the way, who the hell is Carlos Hall? He's a non-entity. Hali will be a journeyman d-lineman in this league.

[Steve Sewell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lcLlmwETjY&search=tiki%20barber

The Chiefs run D made Tiki Baber look like Earl Campbell that day...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

See the guy in my new Avatar? He could suit up for the Broncos tomorrow and still torch your run D.

There's no way you are stupid enough to truly believe that.

[Kaylore]

The Chiefs run D made Tiki Baber look like Earl Campbell that day... It just made me laugh at how crappy their D is. If it wasn't for Greg Wesley, Tiki isn't even touched at half those plays. Eric Hicks just falls on his face on just about every run. Watch Sammy Knight on the run up the left side. It is the most pathetic tackling of a player I've ever seen.

[Steve Sewell]

There's no way you are stupid enough to truly believe that.

It's not as far fetched as your claim that the Chiefs run D was solid last year. That was my point of making the comment. You take things too literally, Boob!

[Steve Sewell]

It just made me laugh at how crappy their D is. If it wasn't for Greg Wesley, Tiki isn't even touched at half those plays. Eric Hicks just falls on his face on just about every run. Watch Sammy Knight on the run up the left side. It is the most pathetic tackling of a player I've ever seen.

If MA can outrun Sammy Knight, ANYONE can...he's pathetic in the open field.

[Florida_Bronco]

There's no way you are stupid enough to truly believe that.

Why not? He did it once already, have you forgotten?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It just made me laugh at how crappy their D is. If it wasn't for Greg Wesley, Tiki isn't even touched at half those plays. Eric Hicks just falls on his face on just about every run. Watch Sammy Knight on the run up the left side. It is the most pathetic tackling of a player I've ever seen.

It was a crappy DAY for the defense. That game wasn't truly indicative of our defense.

And really, if you're laughing at a game in which we didn't even allow 30 points, then the times, they are a changin.' Used to be you guys laughed at our defense when it gave up 40 points. Now a "bad game" is 27 points.

[Kaylore]

It was a crappy DAY for the defense. That game wasn't truly indicative of our defense.

And really, if you're laughing at a game in which we didn't even allow 30 points, then the times, they are a changin.' Used to be you guys laughed at our defense when it gave up 40 points. Now a "bad game" is 27 points.
:rofl: Well I guess to Chief fans holding the other team to 27 points is a good thing. That's five scores, by the way.

[Steve Sewell]

Why not? He did it once already, have you forgotten?

What the hell are you talking about?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

:rofl: Well I guess to Chief fans holding the other team to 27 points is a good thing. That's five scores, by the way.

No, not really. As I said, it was a bad day.

[Florida_Bronco]

What the hell are you talking about?

I was referring to Bob saying you were stupid for thinking Griffin could do that. I should have worded my post like this...

"Why not? Quentin Griffin torched your D once already, have you forgotten?

[Steve Sewell]

No, not really. As I said, it was a bad day.

Boob, what happened to your buddy, ColtSteel? I thought he might be all over this one.

[Steve Sewell]

I was referring to Bob saying you were stupid for thinking Griffin could do that. I should have worded my post like this...

"Why not? Quentin Griffin torched your D once already, have you forgotten?

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I didn't get your response at first!

[Florida_Bronco]

Boob, what happened to your buddy, ColtSteel? I thought he might be all over this one.

I'm pretty sure he got banned here after his comments in this thread...http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=43108

[55CrushEm]

Thats because you have cocks in your ears, Bob.


:Broncos:

LOL

[broncosteven]

See the guy in my new Avatar? He could suit up for the Broncos tomorrow and still torch your run D.

Oh, and by the way, who the hell is Carlos Hall? He's a non-entity. Hali will be a journeyman d-lineman in this league.


Q is torching their Run D daily in Training camp that is why they have guys sucking wind on their knees. LOL!

Anyone forget Q is on the Cheefs now?

[Florida_Bronco]

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I didn't get your response at first!

That's ok, I should have worded it better.

[55CrushEm]

Watch Sammy Knight on the run up the left side. It is the most pathetic tackling of a player I've ever seen.

I think you mean NON-tackling......

[broncosteven]

If MA can outrun Sammy Knight, ANYONE can...he's pathetic in the open field.


You mean THE RED KNIGHT!

[Kaylore]

I think you mean NON-tackling...... Plaxico pushes him away with hardly a shove. We're talking about a receiver pushing a strong safety out of play without so much as fight.

[Garcia Bronco]

The Chiefs are a great football team...it's ashame they are so disrespected by the media.

[2KBack]

If MA can outrun Sammy Knight, ANYONE can...he's pathetic in the open field.

hey now, you're talking about a guy with 22 runs over 20 yards, with several over 40, and a long of 80, while spending most of his career as a blocking back. Let's not forget a single game rushing record. Be careful who you bash.

[broncosteven]

Plaxico pushes him away with hardly a shove. We'e talking about a receiver pushing a strong safety out of play without so much as fight.


The Red Knight was tired. He didn't drink his Red Aid before the play & plus Plaxico & Tiki were both wearing Rubies - the natural power sucking stone, enemy of the RED KNIGHT!

[Steve Sewell]

I'm pretty sure he got banned here after his comments in this thread...http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=43108

Why did he get banned? That was entertaining. He was SOOOO pissed when someone changed his avatar from Hulk Hogan to Bob Ross. I almost pissed myself when I saw his reaction.

[Steve Sewell]

hey now, you're talking about a guy with 22 runs over 20 yards, with several over 40, and a long of 80, while spending most of his career as a blocking back. Let's not forget a single game rushing record. Be careful who you bash.

I know, I know. I love MA too. But he's not the most fleet of foot. Watching him blow by Knight last year was eye-opening. My first impression was..."wow, I didn't know Knight was that slow". MA has a lot of qualities, but open field speed is not one of them.

[Steve Sewell]

The Chiefs are a great football team...it's ashame they are so disrespected by the media.

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
Thanks Boob!

[Steve Sewell]

The Red Knight was tired. He didn't drink his Red Aid before the play & plus Plaxico & Tiki were both wearing Rubies - the natural power sucking stone, enemy of the RED KNIGHT!

Let me guess...Boob nicknamed him the "Red Knight"...Isn't a "Red Night" or "Red Wings" related to banging a chick during "that time" of the month?

[sirhcyennek81]

There's no way you are stupid enough to truly believe that.


If memory serves, Mr. Griffin did tear your run defense apart.


:Broncos:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Plaxico pushes him away with hardly a shove. We're talking about a receiver pushing a strong safety out of play without so much as fight.

Yeah, let's not mention how much bigger the wide receiver is.

[Atlas]

I never liked Hali. I was worried that the Broncos would take him. The only thing he has going for him is a good motor and his speed. He doesn't have any moves, his technique is poor and he will be dominated by quick footed Tackles(which are most tackles).

[Bob's your Information Minister]

If memory serves, Mr. Griffin did tear your run defense apart.


:Broncos:

If memory serves, that was when our defense sucked. Last year it was respectable.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The only thing he has going for him is a good motor and his speed. He doesn't have any moves, his technique is poor and he will be dominated by quick footed Tackles(which are most tackles).

Moves and technique can be taught. Hali has played very well in camps according to all the reports I've read.

[sirhcyennek81]

If memory serves, that was when our defense sucked. Last year it was respectable.



"Last year I worked on the streets, this year, I worked in a brothel"...You are still a whore bob. Your defense cracks way to often to be labled respectable, not in a division with SD and Den, who are good at running the football.


:Broncos:

[Steve Sewell]

I never liked Hali. I was worried that the Broncos would take him. The only thing he has going for him is a good motor and his speed. He doesn't have any moves, his technique is poor and he will be dominated by quick footed Tackles(which are most tackles).

Good motor,average size, speed, strength = a rich man's John Engelberger

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Your defense cracks way to often to be labled respectable, not in a division with SD and Den, who are good at running the football.

The Chargers are a great running football team.

However, the defense in Kansas City is so good that San Diego rushed for only 163 yards in two games against them last year!

Now compare that to the Denver Broncos, who allowed those same Chargers to rush for 170 yards in two games. It seems to me...that shockingly...somehow, someway...someone...somewhere....might think the Chiefs and Broncos have comparable run defenses.

[sirhcyennek81]

The Chargers are a great running football team.

However, the defense in Kansas City is so good that San Diego rushed for only 163 yards in two games against them last year!


...and in the denver games?


:Broncos:

[Steve Sewell]

Yeah, let's not mention how much bigger the wide receiver is.

Yeah, Plaxico is a voracious run blocker, 100% effort, 100% of the time. And he's built like the Incredible Hulk.Hilarious!

[Steve Sewell]

The Chargers are a great running football team.

However, the defense in Kansas City is so good that San Diego rushed for only 163 yards in two games against them last year!

Now compare that to the Denver Broncos, who allowed those same Chargers to rush for 170 yards in two games. It seems to me...that shockingly...somehow, someway...someone...somewhere....might think the Chiefs and Broncos have comparable run defenses.

13,000 posts, congrats Boob. Seriously, what's with the avatar?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

13,000 posts, congrats Boob. Seriously, what's with the avatar?

What do you mean? It's a plumber from Brooklyn.

[Steve Sewell]

Moves and technique can be taught. Hali has played very well in camps according to all the reports I've read.

I long for the days I was on contract in Topeka (July 2005-Oct 2005) when I could listen to AM 610 (the "DA Show"). The offseason was filled with unbridled homerism, which was good for a laugh. The laughs got a lot better after the season began, though. People couldn't believe that the Chiefs STILL sucked. It was wonderful.

Boob is simply a microcosm of the average Chief fan.

[Steve Sewell]

What do you mean? It's a plumber from Brooklyn.

Let me rephrase: Why is that creepy thing your avatar? I preferred the Chump Stormtrooper. Why don't you use this one:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

People couldn't believe that the Chiefs STILL sucked. It was wonderful.


We didn't suck last year.

[Kaylore]

We didn't suck last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qObFvPmRlvs&search=Chiefs%20Cowboys

[Kaylore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEEok0MoKxY&search=Chiefs%20Cowboys

You get to listen to Simms count the missed tackles.

[Atlas]

Good motor,average size, speed, strength = a rich man's John Engelberger

I was thinking more like Kavika Pittman.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why did you post that link?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I was thinking more like Kavika Pittman.

He never had a motor.

[Steve Sewell]

We didn't suck last year.

Boob, I was talking in terms of expectations. The average Chiefs fan drinks so much kool aid during the offseason that he believes that Chiefs will go 19-0 every year.

Reality set in rather early last year:

Kansas City Chiefs at Denver Broncos
1st 2nd 3rd 4th
KAN (2-1) 0 3 0 7 10 FINAL
DEN (2-1) 17 3 7 3 30
September 26, 2005 - Invesco Field

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Boob, I was talking in terms of expectations. The average Chiefs fan drinks so much kool aid during the offseason that he believes that Chiefs will go 19-0 every year.

Reality set in rather early last year:

Kansas City Chiefs at Denver Broncos
1st 2nd 3rd 4th
KAN (2-1) 0 3 0 7 10 FINAL
DEN (2-1) 17 3 7 3 30
September 26, 2005 - Invesco Field
What a load of crap. The average Chiefs fan doesn't think we're going 19-0 every year. I certainly didn't. I predicted 11-5 and was one game off.

[Steve Sewell]

Why did you post that link?

This is another fun yet unrelated link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzIf3tERZck&search=Broncos%20Chiefs

[Steve Sewell]

What a load of crap. The average Chiefs fan doesn't think we're going 19-0 every year. I certainly didn't. I predicted 11-5 and was one game off.

Bob, you are so gullible. I should rephrase it as "Super Bowl Aspirations". Man you take everything so literally.

[Steve Sewell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEEok0MoKxY&search=Chiefs%20Cowboys

You get to listen to Simms count the missed tackles.

GRRRRREAT tackle there by Sammy Knight...don't you love video evidence?

[Kaylore]

Why did you post that link?
To help prove your point.

[broncosteven]

Let me guess...Boob nicknamed him the "Red Knight"...Isn't a "Red Night" or "Red Wings" related to banging a chick during "that time" of the month?


Yep Boob let the RED KNIGHT that says night (T is silent) when they signed him. Said he would single handedly bolster the Secondary with the other 3 idiots back there they would be unstopable or some preseason drivel...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

To help prove your point.

You did a poor job. You're only perpetrating the myth that the Chiefs have a bad defense.

[broncosteven]

You did a poor job. You're only perpetrating the myth that the Chiefs have a bad defense.


Most teams that do not make the playoffs do have bad defenses.

[Kaylore]

You did a poor job. You're only perpetrating the myth that the Chiefs have a bad defense.
Let me try again.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Let me try again.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4

I see Denver had an average defense.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Most teams that do not make the playoffs do have bad defenses.

That's a stupid statement. The 2003 Chiefs made the playoffs. The 2005 Chiefs sat at home, but had the better defense.

[Kaylore]

I see Denver had an average defense.
We had a lot of rookies at corner. What's your excuse?

[Sarcastro]

Most teams that do not make the playoffs do have bad defenses.

Or an average defense. Maybe something like the 16th ranked scoring defense.

[WoodMan]

I don't think the concern for the Cheeps here is defense, though Boob would like for you to think so. Hali will be a player or he won't. Who cares, he is not going to improve a poor/average overall defensive team. The story is if Willie Roaf doesn't show up for camp or worse if he shows up without the motivation to play at his previous all pro level. I think its an obvious sign of concern that the Cheeps took a flyer on Turley. Explains alot about their concerns about Roaf, I do beleive. Cheeps are at best 8-8 in 2006, you heard it here first.:rofl:

[2KBack]

I see Denver had an average defense.


Odd, I see that Denver gave up the 4th fewest points in the league

[DenverBrit]

I see Denver had an average defense.


If you look at the wrong defensive stats maybe.
But we've all discussed this before; scoring defense is the only stat that really counts.
The rest is just fluff by comparison. ;D

Denver was tied with Pitt for 3rd place in the NFL. Hardly 'average.'
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-SCORING/2005/regular

[Sarcastro]

If you look at the wrong defensive stats maybe.
But we've all discussed this before; scoring defense is the only stat that really counts.
The rest is just fluff by comparison. ;D

Denver was tied with Pitt for 3rd place in the NFL. Hardly 'average.'
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-SCORING/2005/regular

So we agree that KC had an average, rather then bad, defense?

[DenverBrit]

So we agree that KC had an average, rather then bad, defense?


Based on the scoring D, yes, average, very.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Cool, that's all we Chief fans are arguing. The career day defense is dead, thankyou.

[Sarcastro]

Based on the scoring D, yes, average, very.

This is a milestone in Chiefs-Broncos relations, but I am afraid you may soon be stoned or trampled to death by your fellow Maners.

[DenverBrit]

Cool, that's all we Chief fans are arguing. The career day defense is dead, thankyou.


Oh, I wouldn't get too confident about my opinion, Bob. According to one of your fellow Chief trolls, I'm a complete idiot. :wiggle: