Duckett Vs. Dayne?

[Sassy]

The guys on ESPN are discussing this...:(
I think Ron Dayne, given the chance, can be our back...
I like him over Bell.

Who would you rather have?
Who has the best chance to be our feature back...Dayne, Bell, Duckett (if we got him), Sapp???

ESPN is already bashing Denver's hopes for a SB this year! LOL!
They say Denver is a playoff team but not a 13-3 team like they were last year.
They suggest Denver does not take on a 3-4 team in the playoffs ;D

...and they are ragging on Jake. (Nothing new there)

[Killericon]

Bell, all the way.

Tatum, that is.

[Odysseus]

I am thinking we need a franchise back. I am thinking that Dayne, Duckett, or Bell should be a law firm instead of running back plan of attack. I think the Broncos are definitely a playoff team but unless they have some secret weapon (Mike Shanahan counts as a secretive weapon but...) I don't see them dominating teams this coming year. What are they going to surprise them with? Shining optimism? Positive affirmations? I thought they needed something like a shutdown defense or a wide reciever who doesn't have an explaination behind their name.

[sirhcyennek81]

Not worried about the Broncos ground game. They will start out RBBC, and finally settle on one back, I think its going to be Dayne. He falls forward when tackled, and breaks arm tackles, and is fast enough to break the big runs. Tatum has fantastic speed, and is the homerun threat. 3rd year in, and he is just a change of pace back, he should be more then that by now. Cobbs is an unknown, but should be interesting to watch. I like this team, reminds me alot of the 1997 team.


:Broncos:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I am concerned about the depth at RB. Those guys take a beating. Dayne looked decent the few times he played. Bell needs to learn to catch the ball, and even more so, block. Cobbs - who knows - he hasn't done anything yet. I'm betting there are a couple more RBs on teh roster by training camp.

[Tombstone RJ]

I say let Dayne get the majority of carries and see what happens... Bell is a nice change up.

[Hogan11]

A lot of people don't believe in Dayne.......but I do.

In the words of Budd from Kill Bill Vol. 2 "I guess we'll just see then, won't we?"

[ozomulsion]

I say let Dayne get the majority of carries and see what happens... Bell is a nice change up.

Tiki Barber and Priest Holmes were just injury prone good change of pace backs their first four years as well. Bell will be our feature back. This Dayne bandwagon just makes me giggle A LOT. I just hope sombody mentions how Bell fumbles to much. Some of you folks don't know what we have in Bell. You'll find out he's a stud.

[Tredici]

Why does everyone here think Ron Dayne is the man? I simply do not get it.


Everyone doesn't. I see quite a few posts favoring Bell.

[watermock]

ESPN is full of it. Denver was NOT a dominant team last year. We just managed to keep from grasping defeat from the claws of victory like previous years. Only the Giants game qualified for that honor last year.

Dayne, Bell and Cobbs were all very highly thought of. Cobbs was one of the very very top recruit in HS. I think I read he was the top recruited RB. He's been injured alot. It's why he fell to the 4th. Shanahan really liked him.

Sure a franchise back would be great. Show me how to get one. I'll tell you this much, Dayne, Bell and Cobbs were ALL considered potential "Franchise" backs more than Anderson, Droughns, Q, Gary. Cecil Sapp is certainly capable of moving to RB in a pinch and keeps improving his overall game, especially at STeams.

I doubt that ESPN even mentioned how Denver used smoke and mirrors to get a QB. Many scouts and ex-QB's felt that Jay was overall the best prospect. I also take exception that Walker is coming along "slow" because he had a minor cleanup. He hasn't been set back at all. I don't see any reason to rush him. He's hitting the meetings, rehabing, learning the offense, doing straight line running, expactly what he should be doing. He's a known commodity. As far as knees go, people can go down anywhere, any time. I saw a clip I should of shown he's got some elastic device around his waist hooked to a goal post and was doing sideways agility drills like corners do, (kinda dancing sideways, crossing the feet).

This year we got our QBOTF and a Pro Bowl WR. If Washington hadn't overachieved me might of gotten that franchise back. I don't know who it would of been tho. Our young corners all have a year under their belts, including Browner and Cox is young I think.

No respect? Hell, last year we were ranked 12-18 preseason and made the final 4.

[watermock]

I don't see Dayne being penciled in as the starter by anyone but the media. It's all speculation. The only clue is that Bell worked first on field 2 at the early camp, but they also swapped with Dayne going to field 2 as well. So you have to give Dayne a SLIGHT edge, but we haven't had mini-camp yet alone training camp yet. Again, don't discount Cobbs just yet either.

[Gcver2ver3]

I still think Duckett would do well here...

i say go get him....

[sirhcyennek81]

Dayne is 1a, Bell is 1b. Whichever back establishes a rythm with the line first, and makes the bigger impact will become the starter. I have faith in Dayne, because he won the heisman at Wisconsin behind the same zone blocking scheme we use. The fact we added a 2nd probowl WR makes it that much easier to run. Whoever wins the "starting" job gets 1200 yards.


:Broncos:

[loborugger]

Dayne looked decent the few times he played.

Dayne did look good, but he always came in in the 4th quarter against a defenses (SD and Dallas come to mind) that we had already battered for 55 minutes. Also, he doesnt seem to be the battering ram that a guy his size should be - he drops at first contact like a scat back minus the speed/moves of a scat back.

IMHO, the best thing our running game has going for it is the following; we always seem to put together a good running attack, our O-line is intact, and we have Mike at the helm. I am concerned about our running game, but as Hogan said, we shall see. However, its gonna be a looonnng season if we cant move the ball on the ground, unfortunately.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

ESPN is full of it. Denver was NOT a dominant team last year. We just managed to keep from grasping defeat from the claws of victory like previous years.


Ugghh . . ., that's probably why they say Denver isn't 13-3 good, but only playoff caliber.

[Cito Pelon]

The running game should be ok this year. Duckett is not needed at all. Dayne and Bell both have decent skill sets. Sapp seems like a reasonably good back, can do double-duty. KJ is a very versatile player, great hands. Cobbs I know nothing about. It's the passing game that has needed a boost, and the team addressed that this offseason. It looks to me like Denver has the best roster and staff since 1998, so I see no reason why the team doesn't repeat as Div titlists, and should challenge for an AFC Title again.

[Los Broncos]

I like Bell, he may fumble alot but his quickness is key. Dayne is the short yardage guy for me or third downs. Throw Sapp in the mix a little.

[Taco John]

Quickness doesn't mean anything when you're hurrying off the field after a fumble.

[elsid13]

The key will be not who runs the ball for this team, but the number of running plays Denver executes during a game. If we get 20+ positive carries, then we win. So I don't care if Bell get 10, Dayne get 10 and Cobb get 8. Running the ball are body blows to the defense that set everything up for rest of the game plan.

[ozomulsion]

Quickness doesn't mean anything when you're hurrying off the field after a fumble.

Bell has fumbled four times and lost only two in his carreer. I remember one game last year when the Marine lost two fumbles in the redzone in the same game. No real argument for Tatum being a fumbler.

[BroncosMT]

Dayne is 1a, Bell is 1b. Whichever back establishes a rythm with the line first, and makes the bigger impact will become the starter. I have faith in Dayne, because he won the heisman at Wisconsin behind the same zone blocking scheme we use. The fact we added a 2nd probowl WR makes it that much easier to run. Whoever wins the "starting" job gets 1200 yards.


:Broncos:


I agree that whoever gets to a rhythm first we will continue to ride that horse the whole game. I think that's why it's going to be on a game by game basis and both Dayne and Bell are going to be given equal opportunity.

[elpasojoe]

I agree with you tombstone. Let Dayne run with it. If during the season Tatum can show more durability and the ability to block and catch, he has earned more reps. I am completely confident in our running game this season. A RBBC system is fine with me, let them go for the 2 RB/1000yrds each record. If Dayne/Bell1/Cobbs/Bell2 begins to shine, give him the ball.
I have been intruiged with Cobbs since he came out of college. I was hoping he would be drafted here but that didn't happen. I also want to see what local boy Mike Bell has to offer. From what I have rea about him, he is the kind of player that you just have to pull for.
If none of this works out, then go out for a franchise back. Where is he? In Louiville, goes by the name of Micheal Bush. 6'3", 235 of power and muscle. I don't want to compare him to anyone, he just has that look of the next great back. Some 2007 draft boards have him going the end of rd 1, where we will probably pick. It could be a match made in heaven. Could make sense, the only other needs we may have are safety (Lynch replacement) and DT.

[Gcver2ver3]

I say get Duckett.....


Oops i think i said that already....

[Atlas]

I don't see Dayne being penciled in as the starter by anyone but the media. It's all speculation. The only clue is that Bell worked first on field 2 at the early camp, but they also swapped with Dayne going to field 2 as well. So you have to give Dayne a SLIGHT edge, but we haven't had mini-camp yet alone training camp yet. Again, don't discount Cobbs just yet either.


Well, Dayne is #1 on the depth chart.

[ozomulsion]

Well, Dayne is #1 on the depth chart.

I think it's just mind games. The fact we cut Anderson shows Turner&Shanny have faith in both of them and will give them an equal shot. I would hope so anyway. Tatum is obviously the better back to me.

[MechanicalBull]

I think it's just mind games. The fact we cut Anderson shows Turner&Shanny have faith in both of them and will give them an equal shot. I would hope so anyway. Tatum is obviously the better back to me.

I do like Bell more than Dayne, but I don't think Shanny has total faith in Dayne or Bell. If he did then why try and sign Jamal Lewis? or draft Maroney if Cutler wasn't available? or the rumored deals involving Ricky Williams and Duckett? I don't know if he was simply guessing or stating fact but John Clayton said Denver is looking for #1 rb in return for Lelie.

It's going to be fun to see these 2 battle it out in training camp and preseason.

[2KBack]

honestly the best thing Bell could do is watch Dayne play. The only thing Dayne has over Bell is patience and understanding of the blocking. Bell is by far the most physically talented back on the team, when he settles down and learns to take what the defense gives him first, then burn second, he will be a hard fellow to stop. I hope he eventually figures it out though. Until then, Dayne will get the consistancy nod the same way Anderson did. My only real issue with the RB situation is that they lost their best short yardage/ goalline back. Dayne is big, but runs like finesse back. Mike was a fighter, I'm hoping Cobbs or Mike Bell show a some short yardage aggression.

[ozomulsion]

I do like Bell more than Dayne, but I don't think Shanny has total faith in Dayne or Bell. If he did then why try and sign Jamal Lewis? or draft Maroney if Cutler wasn't available? or the rumored deals involving Ricky Williams and Duckett? I don't know if he was simply guessing or stating fact but John Clayton said Denver is looking for #1 rb in return for Lelie.

It's going to be fun to see these 2 battle it out in training camp and preseason.

Jamal signed a crappy deal that is basicly a one year contract. We could have signed him and we didn't. Maroney was just a rumor. He could've been a super duper star in our system. He's a special back. Period.

Rickey would've been worth the risk but in no way could have been counted on to be our NO.1 back for a full season or even one game for that matter. Duckett is a good short yardage back and nothing more. We could use one. So far all that can be said is we signed one undrafted free agent.

[ozomulsion]

honestly the best thing Bell could do is watch Dayne play. The only thing Dayne has over Bell is patience and understanding of the blocking.

Actually no, Tatum ran in a zone blocking system all through college. I can tell by his running sometimes that he has been over choaced. He has a killer spin move he used through college and his rookie year but didn't use it at all last year.

[2KBack]

Actually no, Tatum ran in a zone blocking system all through college. I can tell by his running sometimes that he has been over choaced. He has a killer spin move he used through college and his rookie year but didn't use it at all last year.

I can't comment on Bell in college, but it would seem you are well aquainted with OSU football. I have trouble thinking that Bell is over-coached, mostly due to extreme trust I have in Turner. It is entirely possible that he is over thinking in an attempt to follow his coaching. Which would say to me that he has just needed time to allow certain aspects of the Denver style to become second nature. If thats the case we should see an even better Bell this year, and he was pretty good last year. As for spin moves, I have a personal aversion to them, they stop your momentum and set you p for big hits. I wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos did try to coach that out. I know my coach made me stop it.

[Bronco Billy]

What about using Bell and Dayne in the same backfield. Possible use Dayne as a fullback, but get a significant amount of the carries - say 50%. My major concern however is Dayne over an entire season. It's been a while since he's been the featured back over 16 games.

[watermock]

Well, Dayne is #1 on the depth chart.

I'd like to know where you got that. NFL.com has Bell over Dayne, and the official team site hasn't even made a depth chart since January when Anderson was listed 1 BELL 2 and Dayne 3. Now that's obsolete, but I certainly haven't seen this "depth chart" you speak of. Again, Dayne supposedly started on field one but then they swapped. I'm not even sure that was even every day. That means absolutely NOTHING. BTW, I'm not anti-Dayne, I told Wabbit when we picked him up Dayne was going to surprise people. He didn't agree, but that's neither here or there. The #1 will get sorted out no earlier than pre-season IMO.

[watermock]

What about using Bell and Dayne in the same backfield. Possible use Dayne as a fullback, but get a significant amount of the carries - say 50%. My major concern however is Dayne over an entire season. It's been a while since he's been the featured back over 16 games.

Zero chance you will ever see Dayne and Bell together.

[Odysseus]

I don't think Dayne could be a fullback like Mike Anderson. I agree that Bell could be something special if he ever opened his eyes. I think that everything in the pre-season was a smokescreen and that Denver planned to go with Dayne and Bell the whole time. I think they would have taken Mulroney but they knew he wasn't dropping to them. Somebody would have had to hand deliver him.

Broncos are trying to work the numbers, keep the prices down and get the production upwards. I don't think any of our running backs lack motivation with all the discussion this off season on our running game.

[Pezman]

Is it possible to trade all three and make a play for a running back that can actually withstand 25 touches a game, not fumble the ball, and be an effective goal line back?

[BroncoBuff]

Quickness doesn't mean anything when you're hurrying off the field after a fumble.
He only fumbled once last year .... that is a bum rap.

I'd like to see a similar Thunder/Lightning combo, maybe with Bell having a few more touches. Although you gotta remember, Ron Dayne is low, low miles - only one owner! If our run-blocking is strong, we could give him 25+ carries a game and ride him ... :cowgirl:

[Rascal]

Maroney was just a rumor. He could've been a super duper star in our system.

No it wasn't Shanny said and was quoted in numerous articles saying they had Maroney targeted if they hadn't of traded up.

[Rascal]

What about using Bell and Dayne in the same backfield. Possible use Dayne as a fullback, but get a significant amount of the carries - say 50%. My major concern however is Dayne over an entire season. It's been a while since he's been the featured back over 16 games.

Problem is neither can block.

[ozomulsion]

No it wasn't Shanny said and was quoted in numerous articles saying they had Maroney targeted if they hadn't of traded up.

I believe Maroney will be a star. My point was the fact that we wanted to draft him didn't really speak for a lack of confidence in our backfield. There were other good backs we could have drafted as well but didn't.

[Inkana7]

I believe Maroney will be a star.
Not in New England...

[2KBack]

I believe Maroney will be a star. My point was the fact that we wanted to draft him didn't really speak for a lack of confidence in our backfield. There were other good backs we could have drafted as well but didn't.

If they thought the backfield was weak, Anderson would still be here. It's not like he signed some lucrative deal with Baltimore.

[Fusionfrontman]

Oh lordy..i live in NJ, and one of my good friends is a die hard Giants fan. Dayne is NOT a short yardage back. He has the built and looks like it, but is not unfortunatly. but i do think he will get the nod. Id much rather Bell cuss i think if he develops patience he will be a 1600 yd back
Unfportunatly this topic is beat to death..I hate offseason. I put on ESPN n saw the QB depth rankings..and when i saw the highlights of Jake, and bronco uniforms and FOOTBALL..i seriously poped a boner
ha haha ack

[broncosteven]

Give Dayne a shot in the 1st camp but if they don't see what they like I hope they have the balls to move Lelie to Chicago for thomas jones & throw in a draft pick to sweeten the deal if they have to.

I still think we need a primer runner back there.

[Garcia Bronco]

The guys on ESPN are discussing this...:(
I think Ron Dayne, given the chance, can be our back...
I like him over Bell.

Who would you rather have?
Who has the best chance to be our feature back...Dayne, Bell, Duckett (if we got him), Sapp???

ESPN is already bashing Denver's hopes for a SB this year! LOL!
They say Denver is a playoff team but not a 13-3 team like they were last year.
They suggest Denver does not take on a 3-4 team in the playoffs ;D

...and they are ragging on Jake. (Nothing new there)


We played as many 3-4 teams as anybody last year...and our terrible QB and bad passing game beat most of them.

[Garcia Bronco]

Write it down....put it in the bank...Ron Dayne is going to own defenses this year

[2KBack]

Write it down....put it in the bank...Ron Dayne is going to own defenses this year

I certainly hope you are right, and if you're wrong, I hope it's due to Bell owning defenses.

[Bronco Billy]

Give Dayne a shot in the 1st camp but if they don't see what they like I hope they have the balls to move Lelie to Chicago for thomas jones & throw in a draft pick to sweeten the deal if they have to.

I still think we need a primer runner back there.

I kept thinking in every Bears game I watched last year how good Thomas Jones could be in Denver's system. I heard on the radio that he trained really hard in the off-season to become even better with the RB controversy.

[broncosteven]

I kept thinking in every Bears game I watched last year how good Thomas Jones could be in Denver's system. I heard on the radio that he trained really hard in the off-season to become even better with the RB controversy.


I see Duh Bears miss using their RB's this year & hosing up their season. They could use Lelie depending on how Bradley is healing up.