Will we have a shot at getting a real leader in 2 years?

[spdirty]

This is definitely encouraging...man, if republicans grew some balls and nominated this guy, there is no doubt that I think that you could have a new phenomenon...Tancredo Democrats. This man does NOT play politics. And he could make George Allen his running mate for spdirty's dream ticket.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/rightangle/index.php?1=1&title=tancredo_wins_straw_poll_in_michigan

Tancredo Wins Straw Poll in Michigan
by Robert B. Bluey — 06-05-2006 @ 10:51 PM


Rep. Tom Tancredo's get-tough-first attitude on immigration reform is having a positive impact on his possible presidential run in 2008. The Colorado Republican won tonight's GOP straw poll in Macomb County, Mich., located in the Detroit metro area.

Tancredo took about 18% of the vote of 325 votes cast at the Lincoln Day Dinner. Although it was only a plurality on a fractured GOP ballot, Tancredo beat out GOP heavyweights Rudy Giuliani, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

Here are the complete results, courtesy of Michigan GOP Chairman Saul Anuzis:


Candidate Votes Percent
Tom Tancredo 60 18.5%
Rudy Giuliani 45 13.8%
Mitt Romney 40 12.3%
Condi Rice 39 12.0%
Newt Gingrich 38 11.7%
John McCain 38 11.7%
George Allen 21 6.5%
Mike Pence 15 4.6%
Ron Paul 14 4.3%
Mike Huckabee 6 1.8%
Bill Frist 4 1.2%
Alan Keyes 2 0.6%
Candice Miller 2 0.6%
Sam Brownback 1 0.3%


Perhaps most surprisingly are the first and last-place finishers. Tancredo is an immigration hawk who leads the House Immigration Reform Caucus, while the normally reliable Brownback has strayed from the conservative base to back President Bush's immigration plan.

UPDATE -- June 6: I just computed the figures from the monthly HUMAN EVENTS straw poll and, sure enough, Tancredo slightly edged out Condi Rice with 18.7% of the vote compared to her 18.3%. This is a huge boost from the month before when he placed third (12.4%) behind Rice (21.5%) and Sen. George Allen (18.6%).

[24champ]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2754/1445/1600/tancredogun1.jpg

:notworthy


More than two thirds of WorldNetDaily.com readers said they would vote for Tom Tancredo if he ran for president in a new poll published on their website. This poll had 5500 voters and was taken after stories came out about his new book.

Every time Tancredo is included in a poll, he has a good showing.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/polls/former_poll.asp?POLL_ID=1932

[spdirty]

yep...because people see that he isnt a bull****ter, just a guy with a crusade. Only thing is he really isnt a good speaker. Then again, I guess that doesnt matter. I sure hope he shows up at the Evergreen parade again, Id like to shake his hand and encourage him to run.

[Spider]

Tom Tancredo is right on imagration , but he is batshít on everything else

[24champ]

yep...because people see that he isnt a bull****ter, just a guy with a crusade. Only thing is he really isnt a good speaker. Then again, I guess that doesnt matter. I sure hope he shows up at the Evergreen parade again, Id like to shake his hand and encourage him to run.
IMO he would easily win the republican primaries, since most of the other potential candidates arent what you call a true conservative. Interesting you put a Tancredo/Allen ticket, wonder what their slogan would be?

[spdirty]

Tom Tancredo is right on imagration , but he is batshít on everything else
Well, thats where he stands...there is immigration, then there is everything else. Which is fine by me.

You know, if he were a left wing lunatic on everything else, I'd still vote for him. But, he is a right wing extremist through and through, which builds him up even more in my mind.

[spdirty]

IMO he would easily win the republican primaries, since most of the other potential candidates arent what you call a true conservative.

You really think so?? I wouldnt think he'd have a real shot since he's just a congressman. But, he is gaining a ton of name recognition as the immigration issue heats up.


Interesting you put a Tancredo/Allen ticket, wonder what their slogan would be?
sdirty's dream ticket.:wiggle:

[Spider]

Well, thats where he stands...there is immigration, then there is everything else. Which is fine by me.

You know, if he were a left wing lunatic on everything else, I'd still vote for him. But, he is a right wing extremist through and through, which builds him up even more in my mind.
well after imagration then what ?
I wouldnt think twice about putting tom tancredo on a border commity , and put tom in charge of getting it done , but as for the country i want a well rounded politician that can handle several issues ......

[spdirty]

well after imagration then what ?
I wouldnt think twice about putting tom tancredo on a border commity , and put tom in charge of getting it done , but as for the country i want a well rounded politician that can handle several issues ......

Well, good thing you live in a red state and we don't have to worry about your vote;D ...but, since you asked, here.

http://tancredo.house.gov/issues/

[Spider]

Well, good thing you live in a red state and we don't have to worry about your vote;D ...but, since you asked, here.

http://tancredo.house.gov/issues/
i read thta and he is off on healthcare by a mile , in fac some family members flew to France to have some complex proceedures done , that they couldnt get here , I dont know where Tom Tancredo gets his info , but he is wrong ....the US ranks 37 th in healthcare , we should be #1 , but if we elect people like Tom Tancredo , we will only be middle of the pack good .....

[gunns]

I don't want to elect someone based on one issue, like in 2004, the abortion issue. I read some of those, not all, but I would like to know what he'd do about welfare. Under Bush's administration they have removed most of the requirements for getting some benefits such as working for them back to just dishing them out and caseloads have increased 10 fold, while at the same time removing benefits from the elderly and disabled. I'd also like to see more done for the Veterans and while he addresses it he didn't say exactly what he is looking at doing. It's the most disgraceful "respect" we pay to our veterans. I wouldn't take my worst enemy to a VA hospital and can't believe what they put them through for benefits. They earned them, give it to them. I also agree with Spider on the health benefits. The system here sucks and many are not coming here but going elsewhere to access better health care.

[Edskins_RVA]

This is definitely encouraging...man, if republicans grew some balls and nominated this guy, there is no doubt that I think that you could have a new phenomenon...Tancredo Democrats. This man does NOT play politics. And he could make George Allen his running mate for spdirty's dream ticket.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/rightangle/index.php?1=1&title=tancredo_wins_straw_poll_in_michigan

Tancredo Wins Straw Poll in Michigan
by Robert B. Bluey — 06-05-2006 @ 10:51 PM


Rep. Tom Tancredo's get-tough-first attitude on immigration reform is having a positive impact on his possible presidential run in 2008. The Colorado Republican won tonight's GOP straw poll in Macomb County, Mich., located in the Detroit metro area.

Tancredo took about 18% of the vote of 325 votes cast at the Lincoln Day Dinner. Although it was only a plurality on a fractured GOP ballot, Tancredo beat out GOP heavyweights Rudy Giuliani, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

Here are the complete results, courtesy of Michigan GOP Chairman Saul Anuzis:


Candidate Votes Percent
Tom Tancredo 60 18.5%
Rudy Giuliani 45 13.8%
Mitt Romney 40 12.3%
Condi Rice 39 12.0%
Newt Gingrich 38 11.7%
John McCain 38 11.7%
George Allen 21 6.5%
Mike Pence 15 4.6%
Ron Paul 14 4.3%
Mike Huckabee 6 1.8%
Bill Frist 4 1.2%
Alan Keyes 2 0.6%
Candice Miller 2 0.6%
Sam Brownback 1 0.3%


Perhaps most surprisingly are the first and last-place finishers. Tancredo is an immigration hawk who leads the House Immigration Reform Caucus, while the normally reliable Brownback has strayed from the conservative base to back President Bush's immigration plan.

UPDATE -- June 6: I just computed the figures from the monthly HUMAN EVENTS straw poll and, sure enough, Tancredo slightly edged out Condi Rice with 18.7% of the vote compared to her 18.3%. This is a huge boost from the month before when he placed third (12.4%) behind Rice (21.5%) and Sen. George Allen (18.6%).
I definitely like the leadership (ie balls) Tancredo has shown.. You may be right about him..

Though, I have to go with my home-boy George.. Not to mention I'm a Skins fan! ;)

[Spider]

Skins fan! ;)
Redskins ? they still playing ?

[Spider]

Edskins_RVA I guess I dont have to tell you bout that horrid crime spree in the DC area ......Good thing they caught that guy that was breaking into Cars and leaving Redskin tickets . no telling the damage he would have done ;D

[Edskins_RVA]

I definitely like the leadership (ie balls) Tancredo has shown.. You may be right about him..

Though, I have to go with my home-boy George.. Not to mention I'm a Skins fan! ;)
Seriously though, George is an excellent speaker, knows the issues, has some name recognition, and looks good on TV.

By separating himself from the pack in the Senate on immigration, he could propel himself forward quite nicely. He came in 2nd in the most recent straw poll.. He also did a great job as Governor here in the Commonwealth..

[Edskins_RVA]

Redskins ? they still playing ?
OTA's right now..

Don't ask me about it please! It'll just remind me that there is squat going on right now and it is way too long before there will be.. You guys may be stuck with me till camp starts! :thumbs:

[Edskins_RVA]

Edskins_RVA I guess I dont have to tell you bout that horrid crime spree in the DC area ......Good thing they caught that guy that was breaking into Cars and leaving Redskin tickets . no telling the damage he would have done ;D
Damn! I knew I should have left my car on the street!! :giggle:

[Spider]

OTA's right now..

Don't ask me about it please! It'll just remind me that there is squat going on right now and it is way too long before there will be.. You guys may be stuck with me till camp starts! :thumbs:
well at least you guuys are only second in the NFC least.err east to the cowboys , thats gotta count for somthing ;D

[Spider]

Damn! I knew I should have left my car on the street!! :giggle:
Ha! just got to see the Cowboys when they come to town hey :~ohyah!:

[Edskins_RVA]

well at least you guuys are only second in the NFC least.err east to the cowboys , thats gotta count for somthing ;D
Damn button-pusher!! ;D

Are you joining the sports media bandwagon to sing the praises of the great dallass and how they're going all the way because they added TO? Jeez..

Skins add 6-7 and the only thing that can be said is, "Overspending again.. Let's see how they'll mesh.. What are you going to do with three 3-string WR's?..blah...blah...Snyder!...blah...blahh.."

At least I'm not bitter! :angel:

[Edskins_RVA]

Ha! just got to see the Cowboys when they come to town hey :~ohyah!:
You just went up a couple of notches in my book! ^5

[Spider]

Damn button-pusher!! ;D

Are you joining the sports media bandwagon to sing the praises of the great dallass and how they're going all the way because they added TO? Jeez..

Skins add 6-7 and the only thing that can be said is, "Overspending again.. Let's see how they'll mesh.. What are you going to do with three 3-string WR's?..blah...blah...Snyder!...blah...blahh.."

At least I'm not bitter! :angel:
LOL , I hate the cowboys , but you hate em more ......

[Edskins_RVA]

LOL , I hate the cowboys , but you hate em more ......
That's putting it mildly.. :wiggle:

Man it felt so good to beat their ass twice last year (though I admit the first game was a miracle)! You don't know how long we, Redskin fans, have needed that cleansing action.. :sunshine:

[Spider]

That's putting it mildly.. :wiggle:

Man it felt so good to beat their ass twice last year (though I admit the first game was a miracle)! You don't know how long we, Redskin fans, have needed that cleansing action.. :sunshine:
:thumbsup: .....we bronco fans can relate , we have the Raiders and Chiefs , we dont know what good Raider fans are , and the biggest question for chief fan is , if they divorce are they still brother and sister ?

[Edskins_RVA]

:thumbsup: .....we bronco fans can relate , we have the Raiders and Chiefs , we dont know what good Raider fans are , and the biggest question for chief fan is , if they divorce are they still brother and sister ?
LOL! Yep, you know the dark force that swirls inside you when it comes to intense division rivals.. Not so much from the Raiders lately though! :)

At least we helped you guys out by stealing Al Saunders from the Chiefs! He's getting rave reviews around Redskins Park..

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I knew Tancrado before he was elected. He is as slimey as they come. In private he admits that he has latched on to this issue just to make a name for himself. If it would have been available he would have picked the abortion issue or the gay marriage issue or .... Have friends who are active in the Republican party and they wouldn't support him over Fidel Castro.

[Edskins_RVA]

:thumbsup: .....we bronco fans can relate , we have the Raiders and Chiefs
But have you taken 9 straight defeats by either one of them? Doh! (grimaces painfully)

[Edskins_RVA]

I knew Tancrado before he was elected. He is as slimey as they come. In private he admits that he has latched on to this issue just to make a name for himself. If it would have been available he would have picked the abortion issue or the gay marriage issue or .... Have friends who are active in the Republican party and they wouldn't support him over Fidel Castro.
Good to know! Thanks..

[Spider]

But have you taken 9 straight defeats by either one of them? Doh! (grimaces painfully)
yeah back in the early 60's and half way throught the 70's .i hold a grudge when it comes to football.....

[Edskins_RVA]

yeah back in the early 60's and half way throught the 70's .i hold a grudge when it comes to football.....
I guess that's a wound that doesn't heal? ... (sigh)..

[24champ]

I knew Tancrado before he was elected. He is as slimey as they come. In private he admits that he has latched on to this issue just to make a name for himself. If it would have been available he would have picked the abortion issue or the gay marriage issue or .... Have friends who are active in the Republican party and they wouldn't support him over Fidel Castro.
I think your freinds are in the minority since most republicans like myself DONT like the direction the party is headed, probably explains Bush bringing the marriage debate again. Stuff like that is why Tancredo is garnering attention for prez.

[Crushaholic]

I know people who are familiar with Colorado politics know Tancredo, but the rest of the country is going "who?" Half of winning a political office is name recognition. If Tancredo is to have a snowball's chance in Hades, he better start hitting the campaign trail soon...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I think your freinds are in the minority since most republicans like myself DONT like the direction the party is headed, probably explains Bush bringing the marriage debate again. Stuff like that is why Tancredo is garnering attention for prez.

I don't know anyone that is happy with the direction of either party right now. All I am saying is that once that glossy wrapping is removed from the Tancredo package, folk will learn that the box is filled with sh**.

[Rascal]

I like his education statements:

I believe that now is the time to implement creative, innovative ideas for improving education. Rather than relying solely on increased federal funding, efforts must be made to return control, decision-making authority, and money back to the local level - back to the teachers, parents and school boards to whom we entrust our children as was originally intended in the United States Constitution. Congress can best do this by focusing their efforts on putting more of the federal education dollars back into the classroom and not on bureaucrats who never see the classroom. I also believe that before Congress provides funding for new education programs, Congress should first and foremost fulfill its long-standing obligation to IDEA. Without this critical funding, state and local school districts have been forced to divert money from other important programs to meet the existing mandate of IDEA. By fully funding the Federal government’s share of IDEA, local school districts will be able to spend more money on other priorities, such as school constructions, hiring teachers, or improving school technology.

The No Child Left Behind Act, while heavily touted by supporters, does little to embrace state and local level educational needs. In fact, the act has proved next to impossible to implement, as well as fund, and places unnecessary stress on local school districts as it fails to take into account the needs of individual schools. Instead, Congress should pass legislation that would give local schools and school districts more flexibility in spending education dollars as they see fit, giving states like Colorado the option of establishing a performance agreements with the U.S. Secretary of Education. States or school districts who have their agreement approved would be able to combine funds from a few or all of the federal K-12 education programs they administer at the state level, to use as they see fit. In exchange for this flexibility, participating states would be held to strict accountability standards.

This freedom would allow states and local school districts to use federal education dollars to advance their own priorities, such as reducing class sizes, hiring new teachers, or buying new textbooks and computers, as long as they meet the goals spelled out under their performance agreement. State and local education leaders know better how to tailor their education programs to meet the unique needs of their students than bureaucrats in Washington who have never visited the school or the state.

Congress and state and local governments must also help children learn English as soon as possible, thereby enabling them to achieve the same high level of academic success as their English-speaking peers. We should also provide parents the right to choose whether or not their children participate in bilingual education programs and allow states and local governments, along with parents, to choose the types of English language instruction provided to limited English proficient children.

Even worse, with the controversy over bilingual education between the Denver Public School (DPS) system and the U.S. Department of Education (DOE), we learned that there were some cases where Hispanic students were enrolled in bilingual classes for the entire twelve years of their schooling. Unfortunately, some students still did not have a full grasp of the English language.

It is for this reason that I strongly support efforts to reform the bilingual education system in this country. While I understand and fully support efforts to encourage our children to become multilingual, the system that is currently in place is clearly not working. We need to implement programs that have certain standard criteria in place for the entrance and exit from bilingual education programs based on whether a student has the English skills necessary for success in the mainstream classrooms. We also need to include instructional components that will ensure that students can learn English using the most efficient and effective approaches as possible. Finally, we must limit the amount of time that students are enrolled in such programs. A three-year program has been deemed by the Department of Education and most experts as adequate time for a student to be in such a program.

Most importantly our nation’s education policy must stress the importance of parental involvement. Involved parents, after all, can hold our schools accountable, ensuring that our kids come first.

[spdirty]

I don't know anyone that is happy with the direction of either party right now. All I am saying is that once that glossy wrapping is removed from the Tancredo package, folk will learn that the box is filled with sh**.

Well, you tell me which blue blood, country club elitist asshole you would prefer in the GOP race so I an start knocking them down. Tancredo is CONSERVATIVE!!! And that is what you have got to be in order to even think about getting my vote in the general election. Plus, the man personally helped my family out in a ****ty situation, which is why I support him all the more, and would be happy to spend my free time helping him out if he does decide to run. And I think you are dead wrong when you say he picked this immigration issue out of thin air, thinking "Oh, this issue will get me name recognition, duh der der." He has a passion about it that could never have come from thin air.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Well, you tell me which blue blood, country club elitist a-hole you would prefer in the GOP race so I an start knocking them down. Tancredo is CONSERVATIVE!!! And that is what you have got to be in order to even think about getting my vote in the general election. Plus, the man personally helped my family out in a ****ty situation, which is why I support him all the more, and would be happy to spend my free time helping him out if he does decide to run. And I think you are dead wrong when you say he picked this immigration issue out of thin air, thinking "Oh, this issue will get me name recognition, duh der der." He has a passion about it that could never have come from thin air.

What you are not recognizing is that Tancrado is very much a party insider. He is not the outsider you appear to think he is. Elect him and you have that same group of "Blue blood, country club, elitist, a-holes" in the background pulling the strings.

[Spider]

http://www.americanpatrol.com/IDENTIFICATION/IMAGES/MexiforniaDL-650x404.jpg
Ay, Caramba!

[defenseman]

being a bronco fan, mends many a burnt bridge I'd say...dman

[defenseman]

I don't know anyone that is happy with the direction of either party right now. All I am saying is that once that glossy wrapping is removed from the Tancredo package, folk will learn that the box is filled with sh**.

I agree with ya on the bold. I would say there are alot of people dissatisfied with the political process, nearly all aspects of it. Tancredo himself? I do not know enough about him, however, since he is rising to the forefront slowly, I am going to take a look...dman

[55CrushEm]

http://www.americanpatrol.com/IDENTIFICATION/IMAGES/MexiforniaDL-650x404.jpg
Ay, Caramba!


LOL .......no wait, that's not funny at all......:cuss:

[Spider]

LOL .......no wait, that's not funny at all......:cuss:
no but it is truth .... or could be reality in few years ......

[defenseman]

no but it is truth .... or could be reality in few years ......

What do you mean in a few years?I gotta cousin out there, forgot where to be honest, he is getting out of dodge ASAP. Basically, he says theres lots of discrimination IF you are caucasian, and you can be counted on to be treated as an "unequal" if you anything but a hispanic or indian. Quickly becoming the norm. Too fast for my blood....shut down the border..dman

[Spider]

What do you mean in a few years?I gotta cousin out there, forgot where to be honest, he is getting out of dodge ASAP. Basically, he says theres lots of discrimination IF you are caucasian, and you can be counted on to be treated as an "unequal" if you anything but a hispanic or indian. Quickly becoming the norm. Too fast for my blood....shut down the border..dman
sad isnt it , I have also felt this discrimination in Texas , with me being me , I dont let it go unchecked ;D . i am sure I come off as a racist , when I encounter Discrimination . like ordering @ McDonalds in Refugio texas , or letting them know they forgot to put Jalapinios in my Mountian dew ( they put peppers on everything else , why not your drink ?) .............. now in Spanish ;D
isnt triste ello, también he sentido esta discriminación en Texas, conmigo me siendo, yo dont le dejan ir no comprobados. estoy seguro que me caigo como un racista, cuando encuentro la Discriminación. ¿como el pedido McDonalds en Texas Refugio, o avisarlos ellos olvidaron de poner Jalapinios en mi rocío de Mountian (ellos ponen pimientas sobre todo lo demás, por qué no su bebida?)

[defenseman]

sad isnt it , I have also felt this discrimination in Texas , with me being me , I dont let it go unchecked ;D . i am sure I come off as a racist , when I encounter Discrimination . like ordering @ McDonalds in Refugio texas , or letting them know they forgot to put Jalapinios in my Mountian dew ( they put peppers on everything else , why not your drink ?) .............. now in Spanish ;D
isnt triste ello, también he sentido esta discriminación en Texas, conmigo me siendo, yo dont le dejan ir no comprobados. estoy seguro que me caigo como un racista, cuando encuentro la Discriminación. ¿como el pedido McDonalds en Texas Refugio, o avisarlos ellos olvidaron de poner Jalapinios en mi rocío de Mountian (ellos ponen pimientas sobre todo lo demás, por qué no su bebida?)


LOL...at spide..dman

[55CrushEm]

no but it is truth .... or could be reality in few years ......

I know.....that's why I'm depressed.....