Rumor: Schefter on Lelie

[WABronco]

...says we're working on a three team deal that would land us a TE. I didn't see the report myself though, so can anyone expand?

[DomCasual]

I've heard it basically comes down to Tony Gonzalez and a conditional pick for Lelie and Willie Middlebrooks. I'm not sure who the third team is.

[WABronco]

I've heard it basically comes down to Tony Gonzalez and a conditional pick for Lelie and Willie Middlebrooks. I'm not sure who the third team is.
Ohhhh sweet!:hitself:

[27atwater]

I think he was kidding!

[DeusExManning]

This is what NFL.COM is showing:

Meanwhile in Denver, the Broncos could be getting closer to trading disgruntled wide receiver Ashley Lelie (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302206). A trade could be wrapped up within the next week that would be a three-team deal and land Denver a tight end.
A number of teams have shown renewed interest this week, according to one person close to the talks, and Lelie is desperate to get out of Denver, where he feels he cannot be the No. 1 receiver. He probably won't get a chance to be a No. 1 anywhere else either, even though he led the league in yards per catch last season. But he might have more of an opportunity in another city than he would in Denver.
Either way, the team that trades for Lelie is going to want to try to sign him to an extension, as his contract is scheduled to expire after this season.

Anyone have any idea on who they might be trading for?

[RMT]

Didn't we just sign Willie Middlebrooks? Apparently, young Gibbs is still enamored by his 1st round bust.

[27atwater]

dunno who it'd be for, but I'd rather have a DT.

Hopefully NO is involved and one of their tradable DLs are in the mix to move Mile High.

[Garcia Bronco]

Lol

[fdf]

I've heard it basically comes down to Tony Gonzalez and a conditional pick for Lelie and Willie Middlebrooks. I'm not sure who the third team is.

LOL. That would be the best trade ever made in any sport.

[12th man]

LOL. That would be the best trade ever made in any sport.
Yeah. It would be just as sweet as us getting neil smith.

[BroncoBuff]

I think he was kidding!
He was kidding .... but they did say the Chefs and Gonzalez were in a stalemate on contract negotiations for next year ...

Schefter said that interest in Lelie had "increased dramatically" in the last few days, and that a 3-way deal - teams tba - would send Denver a TE "within the next week."

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Fvck you guys.

[eddie mac]

Well it better be a decent TE who can come in here and start if we're giving up Lelie for them considering we could've had a 3rd rd pick during the draft.

If this is true Mike has drastically lowered his estimated value of Lelie.

Who the hell is decent enough out there that another team is prepared to ship?

Graham???

[Man-Goblin]

Purely speculation but, NE for Graham?

Excellent blocker, with some athleticism and a good red zone target. Plus, how many TEs do Brady's boys need?

[Man-Goblin]

Well it better be a decent TE who can come in here and start if we're giving up Lelie for them considering we could've had a 3rd rd pick during the draft.

If this is true Mike has drastically lowered his estimated value of Lelie.

Who the hell is decent enough out there that another team is prepared to ship?

Graham???

Ha. beat me to it.

[eddie mac]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2471011

With TE Daniel Graham entering the final year of his contract, and the Patriots having drafted TEs David Thomas and Garrett Mills, word is the team has positioned itself to let Graham become a free agent following this season. We also hear Graham, considered by many in the league to be the best blocker at his position, likely would command a higher price in free agency than the Patriots are willing to pay.

Hope to hell it's him!!

[Mediator12]

dunno who it'd be for, but I'd rather have a DT.

Hopefully NO is involved and one of their tradable DLs are in the mix to move Mile High.

New orleans Traded Johnathon Sullivan Today to the Pats. They already lost Darren Howard to FA. They are out of tradable DL IMHO.

[ro_50]

I wonder who the teams in discussion could be.

[freak6]

And he's my boy from HS!!!

[eddie mac]

Makes you wonder whether maybe we tried to get involved in that trade with Sullivan going to NE, Graham to Denver and Lelie to New Orleans???

As regards DT IMO it's not that we dont need one but TE is a total mess. For all the upside Scheffler has there's no way he's gonna be starting this season considering the issues regarding his blocking. Alexander is a seasoned veteran who was very average last year and Nate Jackson's done damn all so far in his career.

We aren't any better at DT this season but we've the same players as last year and should get similar performance.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Wat about Cleveland letting go of Kellen Winslow, wishful thinkiing but that guy has some major skills and if he comes backs healthy would b an awesome aquisition. plus Shanny likes to rape cleveland and take there injured or troubled guys and turn them around. But more than likely it will be for Graham.

[eddie mac]

Wat about Cleveland letting go of Kellen Winslow, wishful thinkiing but that guy has some major skills and if he comes backs healthy would b an awesome aquisition. plus Shanny likes to rape cleveland and take there injured or troubled guys and turn them around. But more than likely it will be for Graham.

Big risk trading for him plus there's his contract to consider and the Broncos will be liable for all bonuses bar the original signing bonus.

[Mediator12]

This makes sense with them letting Duke be released before the Team camps this weekend. If it goes down it should happen before Denver's camps this weekend.

Bye Bye Rick Smith, hello another good trade coming without you!

[eddie mac]

This makes sense with them letting Duke be released before the Team camps this weekend. If it goes down it should happen before Denver's camps this weekend.

Bye Bye Rick Smith, hello another good trade coming without you!

Totally off topic Med but how'd you like the Rosicky signing from Dortmund??? Automatic replacement for Pires???

[clint7]

Take your pick/guess...

1. Antonio Gates, SD
2. Tony Gonzalez, KC
3. Jeremy Shockey, NYG
4. Alge Crumpler, ATL
5. Todd Heap, BAL
6. Jason Witten, DAL
7. Randy McMichael, MIA
8. Chris Cooley, WAS
9. L.J. Smith, PHI
10. Heath Miller, PIT
11. Vernon Davis, SF
12. Dallas Clark, IND
13. Ben Watson, NE
14. Jerramy Stevens, SEA
15. Ben Troupe, TEN
16. Jermaine Wiggins, MIN
17. Kellen Winslow Jr., CLE
18. Alex Smith, TB
19. Zach Hilton, NO
20. Bubba Franks, GB
21. Marcus Pollard, DET
22. Jeb Putzier, HOU
23. Erron Kinney, TEN
24. Desmond Clark, CHI
25. Courtney Anderson, OAK
26. Daniel Graham, NE
27. Marcedes Lewis, JAX
28. Leonard Pope, ARI
29. Doug Jolley, NYJ
30. Eric Johnson, SF
31. Dominique Byrd, STL
32. Jim Kleinsasser, MIN
33. Chris Baker, NYJ
34. Kris Mangum, CAR

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LJ Smith would make sense. The Eagles need a WR.

[WABronco]

I think he was kidding!
I know pal...

[Tredici]

So one team gets a wideout and one gets a tightend. What's in it for the middleman?

[Garcia Bronco]

20. Bubba Franks, GB
7. Randy McMichael, MIA
14. Jerramy Stevens, SEA
17. Kellen Winslow Jr., CLE
19. Zach Hilton, NO
21. Marcus Pollard, DET
15. Ben Troupe, TEN

[WABronco]

20. Bubba Franks, GB
7. Randy McMichael, MIA
14. Jerramy Stevens, SEA
17. Kellen Winslow Jr., CLE
19. Zach Hilton, NO
21. Marcus Pollard, DET
15. Ben Troupe, TEN
IMO, the only guys who could be had from that list are Franks and Hilton...with Franks being the only player of significance. I can tell you for sure, Jerramy Stevens isn't going anywhere (he'd be an excellent fit in Denver though).

[eddie mac]

Do you reckon Franks is worth the money he's on???

2006 585000.00
2007 1400000.00
2008 3000000.00
2009 5000000.00
2010 5000000.00
2011 5500000.00

[WABronco]

Do you reckon Franks is worth the money he's on???

2006 585000.00
2007 1400000.00
2008 3000000.00
2009 5000000.00
2010 5000000.00
2011 5500000.00
No...

[eddie mac]

Now there's a nice palatable 2 year contract for LJ Smith

2006 535000.00
2007 545000.00

[eddie mac]

Is Byron Chamberlain still playing.:~ohyah!:

[WABronco]

Is Byron Chamberlain still playing.
Heh

Hasn't he already made his comeback attempt in Denver?

[eddie mac]

Heh

Hasn't he already made his comeback attempt in Denver?

Joking bro, Billy Miller's 5th string in New Orleans or how about bringing Clarky back from Chicago.

[WABronco]

Joking bro, Billy Miller's 5th string in New Orleans or how about bringing Clarky back from Chicago.
I know..just didn't inlcude the little smiley face thingy.

[Vladimir]

I think ashley will go to SF for Eric Johnson.

[watermock]

I'm not even going to speculate. I know we tried to get VD. What would you think of sending Lelie and Chef and next years 1 for VD? Probably too expensive. I would send them and our second rounder for sure. Graham is the logical pick with Carswell's status iffy at best. We certainly need a good blocking TE.

[SoCalBronco]

Franks or Smith would be good. I cant see the Eagles giving up Smith though.
Franks is a good red zone target and short-intermediate pass catcher. We could use him in tandem with Scheffler, with the latter running deeper routes.

Graham would be very good as well.

Eric Johnson would be very disappointing.

[watermock]

I'm all for getting fair value, but I want this distraction eliminated. The team seems happy and focused and this needs to be resolved.

[MechanicalBull]

I've heard it basically comes down to Tony Gonzalez and a conditional pick for Lelie and Willie Middlebrooks. I'm not sure who the third team is.

Oh man if Gonzalez was on the Skins than that trade would definitley happen :~ohyah!:
Id rather a DT but id take a TE. Wonder who this mystery team is if all this is true because thats where Lelie would most likely be going.

[27atwater]

one man said...and this is a simple guess...pittman to SF, lelie to TB, and eric johnson to denver.

I truy believe TB will be involved somehow.

A coworker browns fan says heiden has been on the block of late.

[SoCalBronco]

Johnson would be very weak. If thats the case, just keep Lelie for the time being. If we cant get a deal better than Johnson, than forget it.

[-Slap-]

LJ Smith and Winslow Jr are pipedreams.

Graham is the best case scenario, but he's probably a one year rental.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

What happened to EJ last year? He had 82 catches in 2004.

[27atwater]

johnson is a badass...if he's healthy. I'd take that chance in a heartbeat. I also wouldn't mind taking chances on Kevin Everitt or Alex Smith.

[MechanicalBull]

LJ Smith would make sense. The Eagles need a WR.

I wouldn't mind Smith but not overly excited about him plus wouldn't that just be a straight up trade. Lelie would be going to the team that we don't get the TE from.

I'd take Franks, Graham, or Smith but pass on Eric Johnson. The guy hasn't played last year or in 03. But Graham is a free agent next year so that means we would have to shell out $ to him as well.

[SoCalBronco]

johnson is a badass...if he's healthy. I'd take that chance in a heartbeat. I also wouldn't mind taking chances on Kevin Everitt or Alex Smith.

Kevin Everett hasn't proven anything. He tore his ACL in minicamps last year and didnt play a down his rookie year. He wasn't exactly lighting it up in college either.

[27atwater]

Kevin Everett hasn't proven anything. He tore his ACL in minicamps last year and didnt play a down his rookie year. He wasn't exactly lighting it up in college either.


but given that noone wanted to give up even a 4th for ash, we can't be too greedy. we do have to be somewhat realistic for this whining, soft, one trick pony.

[dumpy]

johnson is a badass...if he's healthy. I'd take that chance in a heartbeat. I also wouldn't mind taking chances on Kevin Everitt or Alex Smith.

Alex Smith would be Awesome. I'm sure he'd like to come back home to Denver where he played his high school ball.

[NaptownChief]

This makes little sense since you guys have the greatest tandem of TE's in the league...Why would you trade for a position of strength?

I don't get it Big Dan....I still don't get it.

[thebroncosnation]

I have to think Sea would be involved. Maybe Jerramy Stevens. They need a WR and I thought they were interested before.

[BigPlayShay]

I hope it involves Daniel Graham, but I don't see the Broncos trading with New England.

[NaptownChief]

Probably our secret weapon Kris Wilson....

[24champ]

I wonder if the other two teams are the Ravens and the Titans, lots of talk about mcnair going to the ravens lately. Maybe we get Todd Heap or Troupe? Im sure Al Wilson would like to welcome Todd to Denver.;D

[BroncoBuff]

This makes little sense since you guys have the greatest tandem of TE's in the league...Why would you trade for a position of strength?
Nobody on this board said that ... that was an article Khan found and posted a week ago. We all disagreed. Even before the Duke waivers, TE was the weakest spot on our roster, hands down.

[St. David]

Saints fan here just wanted to drop in and say that it won't be for Zach Hilton. I have heard a little about a posible deal that would basicly send Donte Stallworth to the Broncos and the Broncos send Lelie to a 3rd team and the saints end up with a combo of players.(I've heard the chargers and the jags being involved so not sure which one it could be in the end.(chargers would be D. Edwards and the Jags would be a RT.)

[eddie mac]

Probably our secret weapon Kris Wilson....

Well Lelie wouldn't be the 1st cry baby WR to leave a classy organisation to sign up with the Chefs.;D

[NaptownChief]

Nobody on this board said that ... that was an article Khan found and posted a week ago. We all disagreed. Even before the Duke waivers, TE was the weakest spot on our roster, hands down.


I know but it is fun busting the balls of the Donks homerism....even if it is just the two bit writers.

[St. David]

also posible of Ernie Conwell being involved.....

[cutthemdown]

I think ashley will go to SF for Eric Johnson.
eric johnsons been hurt 2 of last 3 yrs, no way we give lelie for him

[MechanicalBull]

Saints fan here just wanted to drop in and say that it won't be for Zach Hilton. I have heard a little about a posible deal that would basicly send Donte Stallworth to the Broncos and the Broncos send Lelie to a 3rd team and the saints end up with a combo of players.(I've heard the chargers and the jags being involved so not sure which one it could be in the end.(chargers would be D. Edwards and the Jags would be a RT.)

I'd take Stallworth. I'm not doubting you but where did you hear this?

[elsid13]

Saints fan here just wanted to drop in and say that it won't be for Zach Hilton. I have heard a little about a posible deal that would basicly send Donte Stallworth to the Broncos and the Broncos send Lelie to a 3rd team and the saints end up with a combo of players.(I've heard the chargers and the jags being involved so not sure which one it could be in the end.(chargers would be D. Edwards and the Jags would be a RT.)


The only reason I doubt this rumor is that SD is involved. No way Shanahan strengthen a division foe.

[Kaylore]

Nobody on this board said that ... that was an article Khan found and posted a week ago. We all disagreed. Even before the Duke waivers, TE was the weakest spot on our roster, hands down.
Actually Atlas found it. Naptown doesn't have a lot to look forward to and there isn't a lot about the Broncos he can make fun of right now so he has to invent things we say or pretend what other people write is what we believe so he'll feel better. It's tough times these days. Cut him a break.

[elsid13]

Actually Atlas found it. Naptown doesn't have a lot to look forward to and there isn't a lot about the Broncos he can make fun of right now so he has to invent things we say or pretend what other people write is what we believe so he'll feel better. It's tough times these days. Cut him a break.

Why would we want to do that??? He just annoyed because King Carl has done squat for nth year in row, while Shanahan continues to try to field the best team in the league

[BroncoBuff]

Well, I'd take Alex Smith or Daniel Graham and be really REALLY happy ...

[Kaylore]

Well, I'd take Alex Smith or Daniel Graham and be really REALLY happy ...
That'd be nice. I wouldn't mind Donte' Stallworth either. The irony factor alone would be worth it.

[NaptownChief]

Why would we want to do that??? He just annoyed because King Carl has done squat for nth year in row, while Shanahan continues to try to field the best team in the league


We have the worst GM in the leauge and still overcome that to give you guys a beat down in Arrowhead every year. This year will be no different despite having Herm Average at the helm.

[SoCalBronco]

We have the worst GM in the leauge and still overcome that to give you guys a beat down in Arrowhead every year. This year will be no different despite having Herm Average at the helm.

Im surprised you didnt join Bob's Germ Warfare movement.

[Sir Mawn]

Jeb Putzier.

[NFLBRONCO]

Ok I'll start it Lelie for TO :)

[MechanicalBull]

Alex Smith would be an ok pick up but I don't see why Tampa would trade him. Maybe Atlanta is the 3rd team like Clayton said about a 3 team deal with Lelie and Duckett. Lelie goes to Atl, Duckett goes to mystery team, and TE comes here from mystery team. I've read KC likes Lelie but there is absolutley no way he gets traded within the division.

[kamakazi_kal]

We have the worst GM in the leauge and still overcome that to give you guys a beat down in Arrowhead every year. This year will be no different despite having Herm Average at the helm.

the chiefs superbowl.....no playoffs but a win against denver.....:rofl:

[27atwater]

Alex Smith would be an ok pick up but I don't see why Tampa would trade him. Maybe Atlanta is the 3rd team like Clayton said about a 3 team deal with Lelie and Duckett. Lelie goes to Atl, Duckett goes to mystery team, and TE comes here from mystery team. I've read KC likes Lelie but there is absolutley no way he gets traded within the division.


Duckett to Philly in this scenario?

oh how I love the blind exuberance of the offseason...

[NaptownChief]

the chiefs superbowl.....no playoffs but a win against denver.....:rofl:



Much like the Super Bowl it does happen every year. Hilarious!

[kamakazi_kal]

maybe it's t. jones and the bears or fred taylor coming to denver....... i would like a good back more then......e. johnson

[NaptownChief]

maybe it's t. jones and the bears or fred taylor coming to denver....... i would like a good back more then......e. johnson


Is Tater no longer the answer? He was better than Larry Johnson on this board less than 12 months ago....

[DomCasual]

Fvck you guys.
:giggle: That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Bob!

I thought your throwing in a conditional pick to do the deal was a nice touch. ;D

[Garcia Bronco]

Is Tater no longer the answer? He was better than Larry Johnson on this board less than 12 months ago....

And he still is until we trade him away

[27atwater]

IF it's for a TE...who? The Jets have a 4th year guy who may be an option. not a good one though. Alex Smith from TB..but TB wants Ash so why not just go str8 up? Same w/ LJ Smith. The Eric Johnson scenario makes the most sense I've heard so far. It's a risk, but it'd be better than Ash being a distraction and Johnson's upside is HUGE. I could see a Tennessee deal since they have 3 guys w/ good catch totals and they aren't a playoff threat.

[DomCasual]

I know but it is fun busting the balls of the Donks homerism....even if it is just the two bit writers.
As if you don't have just as many Chiefs homers, per capita, at Chiefs Planet. ::)

[youcandoit1687]

Take your pick/guess... what would our cap space be after getting rid of lelie? would we take a hit from losing him?

1. Antonio Gates, SD - no, pricey and prized
2. Tony Gonzalez, KC - no trade line, contract problems or not
3. Jeremy Shockey, NYG - awesome, but unlikely with price
4. Alge Crumpler, ATL - possibility if they feel like getting another lanky,speedy WR
5. Todd Heap, BAL -THE STORMIN MORMON!, they could use another WR
6. Jason Witten, DAL - possibly, TO pending(but dont they want two TE sets)
7. Randy McMichael, MIA - very possible. need WRs
8. Chris Cooley, WAS - too many WRs already
9. L.J. Smith, PHI - could be cuz they need "proven" receivers
10. Heath Miller, PIT - doubt it but MAYBE with santonio holmes problems
11. Vernon Davis, SF - highly unlikely
12. Dallas Clark, IND - no, obviously not
13. Ben Watson, NE - dont think they want attitude problems but u never know what BB is thinking
14. Jerramy Stevens, SEA - already have three good receivers
15. Ben Troupe, TEN - possibility, depends on WR trust
16. Jermaine Wiggins, MIN - i could see this, especially with the loss of nate robinson
17. Kellen Winslow Jr., CLE - doubtful from our side
18. Alex Smith, TB - nothing special and they have young WRs
19. Zach Hilton, NO - too many WRs
20. Bubba Franks, GB - this would be nice, hes a good TE, hows the blocking& money?
21. Marcus Pollard, DET - they love them receivers....
22. Jeb Putzier, HOU - im uh, im gonna say no
23. Erron Kinney, TEN - possible along with troupe
24. Desmond Clark, CHI - no second chances
25. Courtney Anderson, OAK - no trade line
26. Daniel Graham, NE - same situation as watson
27. Marcedes Lewis, JAX - rook
28. Leonard Pope, ARI - rook
29. Doug Jolley, NYJ - doubt it, but they do need WRs
30. Eric Johnson, SF - very possible IMO
31. Dominique Byrd, STL - rook
32. Jim Kleinsasser, MIN - he is ugly, have you ever seen him, plus he is a HBack moreso but good blocker
33. Chris Baker, NYJ - no upgrade
34. Kris Mangum, CAR - no upgrade

[Dr. Broncenstein]

... and Leonard Pope was sitting right there....

I hope Stiffler pans out.. but Pope was a highly productive monster in a bigtime school. We will regret this decision, I'm afraid...

[27atwater]

nice list, but remember, lelie wouldn't go to the team w/ the TE so them already having WRs wouldn't matter.

[kamakazi_kal]

Is Tater no longer the answer? He was better than Larry Johnson on this board less than 12 months ago....

taters cant stay healthy, i wish he could but i dont think he will.........i would be willing to bet LJ wont last all year carring the ball 25 times a game......400 carries ....i think only jamal anderson topped 400... i think alot of what LJ brings to the table is a direct result of that monster line.....see priest holmes.... didnt do squat before he got behind that OL

[youcandoit1687]

I have to think Sea would be involved. Maybe Jerramy Stevens. They need a WR and I thought they were interested before.

excuse me? dude they have darrel jackson, bobby engram, and nate robinson

[MechanicalBull]

nice list, but remember, lelie wouldn't go to the team w/ the TE so them already having WRs wouldn't matter.

was just about to post that. Lelie isn't going to the team that we get a TE from if it is a 3 way trade otherwise it would just be a straight up deal. Lelie could be a possible #1 in SF or Atl. It'd be fun to see him be the #1 WR in Atl and then get pissed cause Vick only throws the ball to him once a game.

[27atwater]

duckett would fit in SF as well. does shanny get barlow as a throw in? he's always liked him.

[youcandoit1687]

nice list, but remember, lelie wouldn't go to the team w/ the TE so them already having WRs wouldn't matter.

ya but when u start talking three teams u have to bring in a third team and a third player/trade so i just sed straight up, what would make sense

i think bubba franks would be really good but i dont know what kinda blocker he is and somebody showed a salary of 5 million and i cant justify. the other one was steve heiden, i really liked how this guy played but his production wasnt that great in cleveland and they didnt have anybody stealing balls from him or anything.

can anybody provide a salary cap number without lelie?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

can anybody provide a salary cap number without lelie?

Subtract his base salary

[Requiem]

It's going to have to be to a team where Lelie can earn the #1 role at receiver, or atleast start.

Green Bay could send us Bubba Franks.

New England could send us Daniel Graham.

Tennessee could send us Ben Troupe.

I think those would be the "three" most likely scenarios.

Also, I'm guessing that if it's for Graham or Franks, we'd probably get a late-round pick as well, but Troupe, due to potenial, age, etc. would be straight up.

[cutthemdown]

... and Leonard Pope was sitting right there....

I hope Stiffler pans out.. but Pope was a highly productive monster in a bigtime school. We will regret this decision, I'm afraid...
pope short shuttle and 3 cone drill were really slow

[TALON]

Who in their right mind is gonna send out their first string TE.........?

Unless its like Eric Johnson or someone who is on the downside of their career.....like Bubba Franks.........maybe someone from Tenn.

At least we can get rid of Lelie though........I hope he goes to someone we play..............

[youcandoit1687]

pope short shuttle and 3 cone drill were really slow

dude is 6 8, cant expect him to be running like VD

[Barry Ramey]

The Broncos did have interest early on in free agency with Chris Baker of the Jets and Heimerdinger would know him pretty well of course.

[BroncosMT]

I was thinking Doug Jolley of the Jets. If it is the JETS. I think Troupe would be a beast here.

[Pendejo]

We have the worst GM in the leauge and still overcome that to give you guys a beat down in Arrowhead every year. This year will be no different despite having Herm Average at the helm.

I only remembered one recent shalacking in Arrowhead (2004), so I went to profootball-reference.com and looked up the scores between the Donks and the Chiefs since 1999.

At Denver the Donks have out scored the Chiefs by a count of 192-130...which puts the average margin of victory at 8.8 points per game in the Donk's favor.

At KC...the Chiefs have out scored the Donks 206-144...which strangely enough comes out as an 8.8 average margin of victory on the Chief's side.

Looks like the "beat downs" are actually even.

In the same time frame...The Donks have averaged 10 wins, and the Chiefs 9. (Rounded up to the nearest number.). In the playoffs the Donks are 1-4 with two of those losses coming at the hands of the eventual superbowl champions (Ravens/Steelers). The Chiefs are 0-1.

[anthonypacino]

i know a little more depth at TE would be nice, but how would any of you feel about Lelie for Thomas Jones?? I have heard that Cedric will be starting this year and that Jones is being de-moted so maybe something could be worked out?
I know, I know it's a pipedream.

[BroncoBuff]

30. Eric Johnson, SF - very possible IMO

This one makes sense to me ... but he missed all of '03 and '05 with injuries. He's a Yale boy, too ... maybe he and "Harvard of the South" Vanderbilt grad Jay Cutler can talk on the same level ...

Plus there's no room to start at TE in SF anymore ... and we know SF doesn't want Lelie, so the third team scenario Schefter talked about makes sense. Personally, because of Johnson's injuries, I'd like to get a 6th or 7th rounder thrown in, but I'm more concerned that we head into camp without any mal-contents.

[BroncoBuff]

I only remembered one recent shalacking in Arrowhead (2004), so I went to profootball-reference.com and looked up the scores between the Donks and the Chiefs since 1999.

Your selection of time-frames was very generous, pendejo ... starting just AFTER our mini-dynasty ended.

[BroncoBuff]

[/COLOR]... and Leonard Pope was sitting right there....

I hope Stiffler pans out.. but Pope was a highly productive monster in a bigtime school. We will regret this decision, I'm afraid...
Pope was a latter-day Orson Mobley ... physically impressive, but can he learn the Shanny playbook?

I'm giving Tony Scheffler a chance ... in fact, I have an announcement to make:

I, BroncoBuff, do hereby adopt:

TONY SCHEFFLER ! ! !



... because no one else has!

[cutthemdown]

Pope was a latter-day Orson Mobley ... physically impressive, but can he learn the Shanny playbook?

I'm giving Tony Scheffler a chance ... in fact, I have an announcement to make:

I, BroncoBuff, do hereby adopt:

TONY SCHEFFLER ! ! !

Of course everyone pulling for Scheffler. But with Duke going down we could really use some more depth at TE. No way a team that does 2 TE as much as Broncos do can go into season with Alexender/Scheffler/Jackson Nate Jackson may not even make team. IMO Nate Jackson will just get dinged and cut but last week of preseason. A decent vet TE would be huge for Broncos IMO.

[BroncoBuff]

Your 100% right, cuts ... It was music to my ears when Adam Schefter said we were hooking up a 3-way deal to cut Ash loose and get a TE. I'd take Alex Smith, Daniel Graham or even Eric Johnson.

NO DISTRACTIONS WHEN CAMP STARTS!!!!!

[Atlas]

Here is an old article on Lelie.

Thursday, May 18, 2006
Sit or Trade?

SoCals link: http://broncos.mostvaluablenetwork.com/

Filed under: General— Nick Korte @ 6:12 pm

The relations regarding Ashley Lelie just do not appear to get better. He has sat out the recent voluntary workouts, and gave up a nice chunk of money in the process. He is convinced that he will not be able to compete for the #1 position, and Mike Shanahan has made note of it in an effort to prod him back into action. The situation is at effective loggerheads right now.

There are two options on the table for the Broncos’ front office to proceed with at this point:

• Allow Lelie to continue to sit out until he’s ready to play some football, even if he waits until he has to play to be eligible for free agency. The positive to this option is that perhaps he will finally wake up and realize that he needs to play in order to get his wish of being a #1 elsewhere. The Broncos would then have a contract year player that would have a real incentive to play well.
• Trade Lelie. The obvious positive of this is that the Broncos will at least get some value for him before he departs.

It’s a tough choice to make based on the positives, as both sides have a good argument. The negatives is where the decision will have to be made. If Lelie is traded, the Broncos lose veteran experience in the wide receiver corps. Javon Walker will be able to take over some of the duties, but then the Broncos are still left with lesser talent and experience at the #3 position and below, which I’ve cited as an area of major need for improvement.

However, I have decent confidence that Brandon Marshall will be able to take on a #3 role in his rookie year. Let’s not also count out Mike Heimerdinger, who could also get a lot out of other underachieving wide receivers like David Terrell or Darius Watts. So, what are the consequences of letting Lelie walk in free agency? Well, take a look at the few teams that lack a clear #1 wide receiver. The Eagles immediately come to mind. The 49ers are another possibility. Detroit and Jacksonville have a few underachieving wide receivers that could be of interest (especially the Jaguars’ Reggie Williams, who Shanahan considered drafting in 2004 if he had the opportunity).

But there are a couple of teams that likely have the biggest need for a new #1 (despite their excellent strength at tight end), and they are a couple of teams where Lelie could bite back at the Broncos twice a year. You can tell who I’m talking about. The Chargers’ best wide receiver is 36 year old Keenan McCardell. As far as the Chiefs go, they have the notorious Eddie Kennison as their primary wideout. As many of you know, Kennison was near worthless during his short tenure with the Broncos, which ended with an abrupt quitting, only to end up in Kansas City soon after. Now, Kennison has never been an elite receiver, but he has served the Chiefs well, and some of that time has come at the Broncos expense. There’s also no doubt that Kennison has had a bit of a chip on his shoulder over the past, as evidenced in a famous rant of his back in 2003.

Despite his current bad attitude and work ethic, I think that Lelie still has good talent. The last thing the Broncos need is to let a player with a growing chip on the scapula go to a rival. It would only be human nature to prove perceived detractors wrong. Don’t show the trade cards too obviously, but keep a phone line available for teams like the Eagles.

[Kaylore]

... and Leonard Pope was sitting right there....

I hope Stiffler pans out.. but Pope was a highly productive monster in a bigtime school. We will regret this decision, I'm afraid...
I'm not. We weren't the only team that needed a tight end that passed on him - three times or more.

[Hulamau]

Totally off topic Med but how'd you like the Rosicky signing from Dortmund??? Automatic replacement for Pires???

Duke got injured last week Mediator. He blew out his knee again and is likely kaput as far as football goes.

[BroncoInferno]

... and Leonard Pope was sitting right there....

I hope Stiffler pans out.. but Pope was a highly productive monster in a bigtime school. We will regret this decision, I'm afraid...

Pope had 39 catches last season. I'd call that solid but hardly being a 'highly productive monster', and at any rate he was not as productive last season as Scheffler was either of his final two seasons. Pope will probably be a solid red zone guy but he is too stiff-hipped to be the kind of 70 catch, mismatch type of player that Scheffler can be and Shanny has been looking for since Sharpe retired.

[BroncoInferno]

Graham is the best case scenario, but he's probably a one year rental.

Maybe, but wouldn't you rather rent a monster-blocking, solid red zone receiving TE than a pansy, delusional WR?

[Gcver2ver3]

i know a little more depth at TE would be nice, but how would any of you feel about Lelie for Thomas Jones?? I have heard that Cedric will be starting this year and that Jones is being de-moted so maybe something could be worked out?
I know, I know it's a pipedream.

That's what I was thinking.........

People talk about us needing a DT or TE...what about RB?

That is what we've been going after all offseason....

We need another RB IMO....Thomas Jones wants to be traded & the Bears want WR help...that makes sense to me....

If not Jones then how about a 3 team deal giving us TJ Duckett or Deuce McCallister(i know he's expensive so no need telling me) or Kevin Barlow or Fred Taylor?

[MechanicalBull]

That's what I was thinking.........

People talk about us needing a DT or TE...what about RB?

That is what we've been going after all offseason....

We need another RB IMO....Thomas Jones wants to be traded & the Bears want WR help...that makes sense to me....

If not Jones then how about a 3 team deal giving us TJ Duckett or Deuce McCallister(i know he's expensive so no need telling me) or Kevin Barlow or Fred Taylor?

I think we need help in all 3 areas. Thomas Jones does make the most sense since he wants out and Chi needs a WR. Deuce would be great but we all know that is not going to happen. I'll pass on Duckett, Barlow, and even Taylor.

Maybe I'd consider a deal if it was Barlow and Eric Johnson together if there was nothing else out there, but I really don't want either of them.

[Rascal]

Well with Nate Jackson running with the first team in practices I'll take pretty much anybody at TE. Ugh.

[Rascal]

If we get LJ Smith I'll be shocked. First off because of his value and secondly because the guy can't block.

Daniel Graham is probably the most likely at TE especially with their recent trade.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Pope had 39 catches last season. I'd call that solid but hardly being a 'highly productive monster', and at any rate he was not as productive last season as Scheffler was either of his final two seasons. Pope will probably be a solid red zone guy but he is too stiff-hipped to be the kind of 70 catch, mismatch type of player that Scheffler can be and Shanny has been looking for since Sharpe retired.

6'8" and led the Bulldogs in receptions his senior year. Two year all-SEC selection. His sophmore year he was splitting receptions with 2 first-day selections at wideout. Last time I checked, the competition Pope faced was a litter stiffer than the division II powerhouses Stiffler had to play against.

Obviously there is something that the FO likes about Stiffler. I would rather have the guy with enormous measurables that proved his ability against top-level talent.

[BroncoInferno]

6'8" and led the Bulldogs in receptions his senior year. Two year all-SEC selection. His sophmore year he was splitting receptions with 2 first-day selections at wideout. Last time I checked, the competition Pope faced was a litter stiffer than the division II powerhouses Stiffler had to play against.

Obviously there is something that the FO likes about Stiffler. I would rather have the guy with enormous measurables that proved his ability against top-level talent.

He's got talent, I wasn't saying he didn't, but he was never a dominant player on the collegiate level and does not project as one as a pro. He'll probably be a solid 40-50 catch guy, but he is very stiff in and out of his breaks and is not very fast overall and that will prevent him from being a Shockey or Heap type of player. Scheffler, on the other hand, was the second fastest TE in the draft and is no small man himself at 6'5". Most importantly, he has excellent short area quickness which will give him a chance to be a dangerous mismatch for LBs. He did play in the MAC (Division I school by the way, not DII), but 110 catches over two seasons is impressive any way you slice it. Probably more of a gamble than Pope, but his ceiling is much higher.

[27atwater]

leading georgia in catches after they graduate their real Qb and 2 starting WRs is no big feat. they are a rushing team w/ a stable of backs and a running QB. Pope is a physical presence, but there is a reason why he didn't go as high as expected.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

leading georgia in catches after they graduate their real Qb and 2 starting WRs is no big feat. they are a rushing team w/ a stable of backs and a running QB. Pope is a physical presence, but there is a reason why he didn't go as high as expected.

No argument from me on this point. Obviously something didn't jive.. allowing him to slip like he did.

[bendog]

NO may be the target, but Lelie's value may be down to

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133365

[bendog]

btw, why no thread on Rick Smith officially getting hired? We had threads last week before I left for NC. Maybe this is old news, and I missed the official hire.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/9480955

[broncosteven]

i know a little more depth at TE would be nice, but how would any of you feel about Lelie for Thomas Jones?? I have heard that Cedric will be starting this year and that Jones is being de-moted so maybe something could be worked out?
I know, I know it's a pipedream.


I read in Chicago Trib that Benson is 1st team back because he worked out with the team in all optional workouts at Halas Hall. Benson was only RB to show to all work outs & Lovie doesn't give guys 1st string if they are not with the team all offseason or something...

I like Jones's hands catching out of backfield more than I like him as an everydown rusher & he is above average there but he is getting older...

I think we are thinner at TE than at RB right now. Shanny always makes RBs out of no name guys & we still have guys from a year or 2 that are still on roster that have not had their shot.

I say go after a TE it is weaker pos right now.

[27atwater]

agreed. We have RD and Tatum who have plenty of experience and have made plays for us. we have the former razorback who, if healthy, can be better than both of them. I also think the rook will get a shot at making the roster. we're OK at RB.

[ColoradoBuff]

If we get LJ Smith I'll be shocked. First off because of his value and secondly because the guy can't block.

Daniel Graham is probably the most likely at TE especially with their recent trade.

I agree. I think it's going to be Graham.:thumbsup:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Daniel Graham is probably the most likely at TE especially with their recent trade.

This is a rumored 3-team deal. Where does the 3rd team come in?

[BroncoInferno]

This is a rumored 3-team deal. Where does the 3rd team come in?

Who knows? New England's passing attack puts an emphasis on short passes and the WRs are expected to get a lot of YAC, so Lelie would be a poor fit for that offense. It would make sense that we would need a 3rd team to step in who wants Lelie and has something NE would value.

[fontaine]

Who knows? New England's passing attack puts an emphasis on short passes and the WRs are expected to get a lot of YAC, so Lelie would be a poor fit for that offense. It would make sense that we would need a 3rd team to step in who wants Lelie and has something NE would value.

That's what I think too.

Now that we've sent our Trojan Horse to Houston (Kubes/Rick) we can start tapping them up for trades!

[bendog]

NE's biggest needs seemed to me to be dback and outside lber. Oline too, but I don't see that impacting a trade. Which teams have disgruntled dbacks and outside backers?

[MechanicalBull]

I read in Chicago Trib that Benson is 1st team back because he worked out with the team in all optional workouts at Halas Hall. Benson was only RB to show to all work outs & Lovie doesn't give guys 1st string if they are not with the team all offseason or something...

I like Jones's hands catching out of backfield more than I like him as an everydown rusher & he is above average there but he is getting older...

I think we are thinner at TE than at RB right now. Shanny always makes RBs out of no name guys & we still have guys from a year or 2 that are still on roster that have not had their shot.

I say go after a TE it is weaker pos right now.

Clayton just said on Sportscenter the exact same thing. Benson is practicing with the 1st team cause he is showing up for all the workouts and if Jones wants to compete for the number 1 spot he has to come in even for the voluntary work outs. Clayton then went on to say that trading Jones is less likely now cause the Bears want a first round pick for him.

[youcandoit1687]

NE's biggest needs seemed to me to be dback and outside lber. Oline too, but I don't see that impacting a trade. Which teams have disgruntled dbacks and outside backers?

how about the texans phillip buchanon. i remember he got benched last year i think(or am i thinking the other one with atlanta, correct me if im wrong). only problem would be that andre johnson isnt going anywhere. also what does kubes think of ashley?

[bendog]

Well, I checked and Hou has Moulds now, so I doubt it. Mora in Atl seems dumb. With Hall at one corner, they could trade somebody like Torrence, but he's not really that hot. The eagles desperately need wrs and they have two good safties, though there's some age issues.

[Steve Sewell]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2471011

With TE Daniel Graham entering the final year of his contract, and the Patriots having drafted TEs David Thomas and Garrett Mills, word is the team has positioned itself to let Graham become a free agent following this season. We also hear Graham, considered by many in the league to be the best blocker at his position, likely would command a higher price in free agency than the Patriots are willing to pay.

Hope to hell it's him!!

All signs would point to Dan Graham. The coaches are familiar with him, he grew up in Denver, went to CU, and is a good blocking TE. He and Scheffler would be a pretty dynamic duo. Graham is still a young guy and we may be able to get a hometown deal with him since his family lives in Denver. I believe his pops played for Denver back in the day as well.

On top of that, NE got rid of Deion Branch just a few days ago, so they probably need another WR at this point. It makes a lot of sense.

[55CrushEm]

On top of that, NE got rid of Deion Branch just a few days ago, so they probably need another WR at this point. It makes a lot of sense.

WTF ?!?! Where the heck have I been? NE got rid of Branch ?????

[toad]

All signs would point to Dan Graham. The coaches are familiar with him, he grew up in Denver, went to CU, and is a good blocking TE. He and Scheffler would be a pretty dynamic duo. Graham is still a young guy and we may be able to get a hometown deal with him since his family lives in Denver. I believe his pops played for Denver back in the day as well.

On top of that, NE got rid of Deion Branch just a few days ago, so they probably need another WR at this point. It makes a lot of sense.

WTF ?!?! Where the heck have I been? NE got rid of Branch ?????

Branch is still in NE...he just hasn't been to the voluntary camps due to contract disputes (and, apparently, he's implied he may miss next week's mandatory vet camp).

He's still a Pat...

[RhymesayersDU]

I've heard it basically comes down to Tony Gonzalez and a conditional pick for Lelie and Willie Middlebrooks. I'm not sure who the third team is.
I'm super late on this, but this would only happen if the Redskins had Tony G.

[bendog]

All signs would point to Dan Graham. The coaches are familiar with him, he grew up in Denver, went to CU, and is a good blocking TE. He and Scheffler would be a pretty dynamic duo. Graham is still a young guy and we may be able to get a hometown deal with him since his family lives in Denver. I believe his pops played for Denver back in the day as well.

On top of that, NE got rid of Deion Branch just a few days ago, so they probably need another WR at this point. It makes a lot of sense.
Tom Graham. Undersized big hit MLB. I seem to recall him as a liability in pass defense. Maybe Popps recalls better. He prolly wasn't trying to roll a doob and remember where he put his meisterbrau

[broncos-rock]

Since were all guessing here...what about lelie to NO...Stallworth to the Pats....and we get Graham. Ok tear it apart!!!

[Steve Sewell]

IF it's for a TE...who? The Jets have a 4th year guy who may be an option. not a good one though. Alex Smith from TB..but TB wants Ash so why not just go str8 up? Same w/ LJ Smith. The Eric Johnson scenario makes the most sense I've heard so far. It's a risk, but it'd be better than Ash being a distraction and Johnson's upside is HUGE. I could see a Tennessee deal since they have 3 guys w/ good catch totals and they aren't a playoff threat.

I don't know why TB would be involved in this equation. They already have Joey Galloway and Michael Clayton as deep threats. Ashley's game is being a deep threat. Doesn't compute in terms of a need position for them...JMHO.

[bendog]

Since were all guessing here...what about lelie to NO...Stallworth to the Pats....and we get Graham. Ok tear it apart!!!
Works for me, except having seen most saints games, I think Ash is a better WR, and the thought of Loomis the Loon taking Billachick ....

[MechanicalBull]

Since were all guessing here...what about lelie to NO...Stallworth to the Pats....and we get Graham. Ok tear it apart!!!

I think there could be a chance of that happening since it seems like none of them will be on the team past this year anyway.

[youcandoit1687]

Tom Graham. Undersized big hit MLB. I seem to recall him as a liability in pass defense. Maybe Popps recalls better. He prolly wasn't trying to roll a doob and remember where he put his meisterbrau

i just found out yesterday that my uncle roomed across the hall with him. lol how ironic and i hadnt even heard the dan graham trade talk yet

[youcandoit1687]

I don't know why TB would be involved in this equation. They already have Joey Galloway and Michael Clayton as deep threats. Ashley's game is being a deep threat. Doesn't compute in terms of a need position for them...JMHO.

clayton isnt a deep threat, he ran a 4.6 and has never shown deep speed, not even in college. that was devery henderson for LSU

[Rascal]

Chargers with Edwards might enter the fray as they are trying to trade him and need a WR.

Edwards to NE, Graham to Denver, Lelie to San Diego.

[Steve Sewell]

Who knows? New England's passing attack puts an emphasis on short passes and the WRs are expected to get a lot of YAC, so Lelie would be a poor fit for that offense. It would make sense that we would need a 3rd team to step in who wants Lelie and has something NE would value.

I don't know about that...I've had to watch a lot of NE ball the last few years and Brady throws a lot more long balls than the Broncos do. Lelie would be a really good fit for them IMO.

I think NE's philosophy for WR is that they don't need 1 WR with all the tools, like say a Javon Walker, who can run any type of route. Rather, they get a bunch of guy (4 or 5) that do 1 or 2 things well and design their routes and passing plays around their strengths. With that being said, Lelie fits the category of a guy who does 1 or 2 things well. I think he'd fit perfectly for them.

[youcandoit1687]

Since were all guessing here...what about lelie to NO...Stallworth to the Pats....and we get Graham. Ok tear it apart!!!

one of the better scenarios ive heard yet.

problems
BB never likes troubled players(stallworth might not be handling the situation right in his opinion?)

lelie would still be behind horn in all likelihood. horn is 34 so maybe in a couple years but lelie has shown he doesnt have that patience. i think it depends on what kind of money the saints would give

all of these contracts would most likely have to be reworked so you have to get three contracts agreed on with 6 different parties. that sounds pretty tricky

if we dont get graham, what about vince wilfork, a real run stopper to be next to gerard...

[Steve Sewell]

Branch is still in NE...he just hasn't been to the voluntary camps due to contract disputes (and, apparently, he's implied he may miss next week's mandatory vet camp).

He's still a Pat...

I get all of these little speed guys at NE confused, sorry for that. They traded Bethel Johnson to NO for Jonathan Sullivan.

Again, sorry for creating any confusion!

[eddie mac]

All signs would point to Dan Graham. The coaches are familiar with him, he grew up in Denver, went to CU, and is a good blocking TE. He and Scheffler would be a pretty dynamic duo. Graham is still a young guy and we may be able to get a hometown deal with him since his family lives in Denver. I believe his pops played for Denver back in the day as well.

On top of that, NE got rid of Deion Branch just a few days ago, so they probably need another WR at this point. It makes a lot of sense.

It was Bethel Johnson they traded not Branch.

[Steve Sewell]

clayton isnt a deep threat, he ran a 4.6 and has never shown deep speed, not even in college. that was devery henderson for LSU

Well, his rookie year he caught 80 balls for a 15 yard average. Dude straight disappeared last year for some reason, shows he missed two games. Injury?

By comparison, Lelie has never put up that many receptions in a season but his YPC average is 17.9.

I just seem to remember Clayton going deep quite a bit during his rookie season.

My overall point is that I don't see where Lelie fits into TB's offense with the personnel they have now and their similar offensive philosophy to Denvers.

[youcandoit1687]

Chargers with Edwards might enter the fray as they are trying to trade him and need a WR.

Edwards to NE, Graham to Denver, Lelie to San Diego.

i just doubt that we give a disgruntled player to san diego. it obvoiusly would fit because he would be a number 1 WR in as little as one year. dont they have a lot of cap space too id assume after brees' departure? edwards seems like a bellichick guy tho

[Ballhawk]

I think we are fine at TE. The only thing we have lost from last year is Putz and a project. Between Chef and having Terrell or Marshall fill in as third passing option we are fine. Nate, Leach and House can round out the group.

[youcandoit1687]

I think we are fine at TE. The only thing we have lost from last year is Putz and a project. Between Chef and having Terrell or Marshall fill in as third passing option we are fine. Nate, Leach and House can round out the group.
ya i mean having two possession receivers is like having half a TE. if we can just have somebody to take the curl to flat backer or safety, then we open it up for our receivers. i just owrry about the blocking since House is the only proven blocker we have of that group

[MechanicalBull]

Chargers with Edwards might enter the fray as they are trying to trade him and need a WR.

Edwards to NE, Graham to Denver, Lelie to San Diego.

There is no way Lelie goes to SD, KC, or Oak. I think if a trade does happen Lelie will end up in the NFC.

[Dempsey Dog]

There is no way Lelie goes to SD, KC, or Oak. I think if a trade does happen Lelie will end up in the NFC.

i agree, but boy it would be fun laying the wood on him twice a year...kinda like kennison.

EK has hurt us at times though.

[Old Dude]

About a week ago, there was an article in the Rocky where Shanny was talking about TEs, and the main point he made in it was that the starter will be determined more by blocking ability than receiving.

Graham might make some sense in that regard. Maybe Anthony Becht if T-Bay is involved.

[wolf754life]

i just found out who it is! friend of mine works at dove valley in the public relations department, get ready for some big news if they can pull another rabbit out of the hat!

[Dempsey Dog]

i just found out who it is! friend of mine works at dove valley in the public relations department, get ready for some big news if they can pull another rabbit out of the hat!


.........now the suspense level is really hot!!

[Hotrod]

Ya and I have a friend who works at walmart who said its lelie for a ham sandwich.

[Rascal]

i just found out who it is! friend of mine works at dove valley in the public relations department, get ready for some big news if they can pull another rabbit out of the hat!

yeah right.

hot of the presses...the earth is round stay tuned for further news.

Unless you are going to spill the beans of course and end up being correct then I'll eat my crow.

[Arkansas Bronco]

i just found out who it is! friend of mine works at dove valley in the public relations department, get ready for some big news if they can pull another rabbit out of the hat!
OK that just isnt right to come on here and say that then leave.....

[Arkansas Bronco]

Ya and I have a friend who works at walmart who said its lelie for a ham sandwich.
Any way we can get cajun turkey instead? If so I say make the deal.

[orange 4 life]

i may be the last remaining bronco fan that actually wants lelie here, but i accept there's just no way to make that happen.

still, its a crying shame in my book.
lelie, smith, and walker wouldve been an AWESOME trio, and with plummer in his 4th year under center i think that wouldve been a scary good offense.

we'll still be good without him, but i dont see anyone else we have filling that spot to even HALF of what lelie wouldve.

[wolf754life]

keyword is IF

The good news is they are trying, the release of duke has cleared a roster space and they are being aggressive in trying to fill it. I can't go out and drop a name with nothing being finalized, and as far as trades go, this one is very tricky, with lots of trap doors, physicals, contracts, etc..., the rumor is that the team wanting lelie is or will be negotiating a long term extension with him, and that more than anything could hold the deal up for several weeks.

[Dempsey Dog]

OK that just isnt right to come on here and say that then leave.....

Yeah really........what the %$#
:chairhit:

[Sassy]

i may be the last remaining bronco fan that actually wants lelie here, but i accept there's just no way to make that happen.

still, its a crying shame in my book.
lelie, smith, and walker wouldve been an AWESOME trio, and with plummer in his 4th year under center i think that wouldve been a scary good offense.

we'll still be good without him, but i dont see anyone else we have filling that spot to even HALF of what lelie wouldve.
You know I'm with you on the Lelie deal.:yayaya:

[Pendejo]

keyword is IF

The good news is they are trying, the release of duke has cleared a roster space and they are being aggresive in trying to fill it. I can't go out and drop a name with nothing being finalized, and as far as trades go, this one is very tricky, with lots of trap doors, physicals, contracts, etc..., the rumor is that the team wanting lelie is or will be negotiating a long term extension with him, and that more than anything could hold the deal up for several weeks.

Why not?

[wolf754life]

I don't think my source would like to find out that the name has been splashed all over the mane! I probably wouldn't get anymore info from him ever again!

[Rascal]

You could at least mention the team(s) in question.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

EK has hurt us at times though.

He's had a 100 yard game every time he's played the Broncos.

[Rascal]

He's had a 100 yard game every time he's played the Broncos.

That is not true.

[Dempsey Dog]

He's had a 100 yard game every time he's played the Broncos.

I did not realize it was that bad. EK has had some key drops though. I think it was last year a catch he had was reversed by instant replay. He was on his knees and the bill hit the ground. It was a key play.

I hate that guy. Too bad Smith and Atwater are not back there just waitng to knock the holy living crappola out him.

[Rascal]

I did not realize it was that bad. EK has had some key drops though. I think it was last year a catch he had was reversed by instant replay. He was on his knees and the bill hit the ground. It was a key paly.

I hate that guy. Too bad Smith and Atwater are not back there just waitng to knock the holy living crappola out him.

Herc is dead wrong on that.

He's had 100 yard games starting in 2004 but none prior to that.

[Rascal]

Schefter is reporting that Lelie will probably be traded by next week.

[Old Dude]

Let us not forget that wolfie754 called the Esslinger pick.

[Arkansas Bronco]

It is prolly the Toronto Argonauts and the Edmonton Eskimos .

[27atwater]

My best guess is Heiden or Eric Johnson...but TB is involved too.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Let us not forget that wolfie754 called the Esslinger pick.
Most of us in the chat room were yelling for it also so it wasnt he just came out of the blue with it.

[Rascal]

Most of us in the chat room were yelling for it also so it wasnt he just came out of the blue with it.

Thoset that were paying attention were yelling it.

[Old Dude]

Aren't the Titans loaded with Tight Ends? And I think last year showed that Drew Bennett isn't a viable #1 WR.

I guess they signed Givens in the offseason, but who knows if he's the answer either?

[27atwater]

Aren't the Titans loaded with Tight Ends? And I think last year showed that Drew Bennett isn't a viable #1 WR.

I guess they signed Givens in the offseason, but who knows if he's the answer either?


but again, 3 teams are involved. ash for a Tenn TE sound good if it were str8 up.

[Rascal]

Speaking of Tenn...

SOB!!!

Per Profootballtalk.com

TITANS FINALLY SHIP McNAIR TO BALTIMORE

Profootballtalk.com has learned that the Tennessee Titans finally have reached an agreement with the Baltimore Ravens to trade quarterback Steve McNair, NFL co-MVP in 2003.

The Ravens get McNair, and the Titans get Baltimore's fourth-round pick in 2007.

More to come.




We barely beat them last year with Mr. TO at QB. Ugh. They get a lot better with this move.

[Steve Sewell]

keyword is IF

The good news is they are trying, the release of duke has cleared a roster space and they are being aggressive in trying to fill it. I can't go out and drop a name with nothing being finalized, and as far as trades go, this one is very tricky, with lots of trap doors, physicals, contracts, etc..., the rumor is that the team wanting lelie is or will be negotiating a long term extension with him, and that more than anything could hold the deal up for several weeks.

Can anyone name a TE out there who is a stud with health problems and needed a renegotiated contract to boot?

[Hotrod]

Speaking of Tenn...

SOB!!!

Per Profootballtalk.com

TITANS FINALLY SHIP McNAIR TO BALTIMORE

Profootballtalk.com has learned that the Tennessee Titans finally have reached an agreement with the Baltimore Ravens to trade quarterback Steve McNair, NFL co-MVP in 2003.

The Ravens get McNair, and the Titans get Baltimore's fourth-round pick in 2007.

More to come.




I think we lose the game with baltimore now. We barely beat them last year with Mr. TO at QB. Ugh. They get a lot better with this move.

Great move by the ratturds. We still kick their ***'s this year :strong:

[-Slap-]

Can anyone name a TE out there who is a stud with health problems and needed a renegotiated contract to boot?
KWII, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.

[Arkie]

Parcells got his "Bavaro" by drafting Anthony Fasano. Maybe Dallas will ship Jason Witten our way.

[Rascal]

Parcells got his "Bavaro" by drafting Anthony Fasano. Maybe Dallas will ship Jason Witten our way.

LOL

Pass whatever you are smoking over here please. ;D

[Steve Sewell]

Speaking of Tenn...

SOB!!!

Per Profootballtalk.com

TITANS FINALLY SHIP McNAIR TO BALTIMORE

Profootballtalk.com has learned that the Tennessee Titans finally have reached an agreement with the Baltimore Ravens to trade quarterback Steve McNair, NFL co-MVP in 2003.

The Ravens get McNair, and the Titans get Baltimore's fourth-round pick in 2007.

More to come.




I think we lose the game with baltimore now. We barely beat them last year with Mr. TO at QB. Ugh. They get a lot better with this move.

I don't concede ANY game against ANY team when it's played in Denver. This is still early in the season and it will take time for McNair to learn the offense. In addition to that, Jamal Lewis and Ray Ray will have to be back in top form. Too many variable to predict a loss to the Ravens at home at this point.

[Archie]

Speaking of Tenn...

SOB!!!

Per Profootballtalk.com

TITANS FINALLY SHIP McNAIR TO BALTIMORE

Profootballtalk.com has learned that the Tennessee Titans finally have reached an agreement with the Baltimore Ravens to trade quarterback Steve McNair, NFL co-MVP in 2003.

The Ravens get McNair, and the Titans get Baltimore's fourth-round pick in 2007.

More to come.




I think we lose the game with baltimore now. We barely beat them last year with Mr. TO at QB. Ugh. They get a lot better with this move.

No way... This is a 100% sure fire Broncos win on Monday night.

[Rascal]

I don't concede ANY game against ANY team when it's played in Denver. This is still early in the season and it will take time for McNair to learn the offense. In addition to that, Jamal Lewis and Ray Ray will have to be back in top form. Too many variable to predict a loss to the Ravens at home at this point.

Ray Ray and Jamal were not top form last year if you recall.

I shouldn't concede the game yet, but damn they are going to very tough this year.

[Steve Sewell]

KWII, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.

That's the only one I can think of as well, outside of Eric Johnson. And I don't consider Johnson to be a stud at this point by any means. Winslow isn't either, he's just potential, but I'm assuming that Crennell wants him gone at this point...and we know how much the Browns love to get bent over by Shanny and the gang...

My only question on this is...Cleveland has Braylon Edwards and Antonio Bryant...so the third team thing makes sense. What does Cleveland need at this point in time? That might help us put the pieces together a little better.

[BroncoInferno]

Ray Ray and Jamal were not top form last year if you recall.

I shouldn't concede the game yet, but damn they are going to very tough this year.

Their OL is really going to hamstring them. It is not a very good unit. And McNair is just too banged up to be a consistent factor anymore.

[Steve Sewell]

Ray Ray and Jamal were not top form last year if you recall.

I shouldn't concede the game yet, but damn they are going to very tough this year.

That's exactly my point. Ray Ray is old and Jamal has yet to return to pre-jail form. Plus Jamal has knee issues. It's too early to say.

But to think they will be hard to beat at Mile High just because they plug in a 30+ year old QB who has had the hell beaten out of him for 10+ year and all of a sudden be a world beater is a little off kilter to me.

[Rascal]

Their OL is really going to hamstring them. It is not a very good unit. And McNair is just too banged up to be a consistent factor anymore.

The weakest link in their team last year was Boller, and McNair is easily twice as good as Boller. How anybody can say they won't be improved is incredible to me.

[Rascal]

That's exactly my point. Ray Ray is old and Jamal has yet to return to pre-jail form. Plus Jamal has knee issues. It's too early to say.

But to think they will be hard to beat at Mile High just because they plug in a 30+ year old QB who has had the hell beaten out of him for 10+ year and all of a sudden be a world beater is a little off kilter to me.

Where was last years game that we barely won? Oh right Denver. How many TO's did Boller have that game? Four?

[Mile High Shack]

The weakest link in their team last year was Boller, and McNair is easily twice as good as Boller. How anybody can say they won't be improved is incredible to me.

b/c unless they win every game with McNair at QB, they still will be average b/c McNair will miss at least 6 games. So that means he will play 10 games for them, they better go 10-0 with him at the helm b/c they'll go 0-6 with Boller at the Helm.

[TheDave]

Where was last years game that we barely won? Oh right Denver. How many TO's did Boller have that game? Four?

I was at that game and Boller single handily gave us the win... That was absolutely the worst single game performance I've ever seen by a QB. (and that's saying something after 4 years of watching "14")

[Rascal]

McNair missed 2.5 games last year and finished with 3161 yards, 16 TD's, 11 INT's, and 82.4 rating.

Boller missed 7 games last year and finished with 1799 yards, 11 TD's, and 12 INT's, and 71.7 rating.

[Rascal]

I was at that game and Boller single handily gave us the win... That was absolutely the worst single game performance I've ever seen by a QB. (and that's saying something after 4 years of watching "14")

Exactly my point.

[bronco militia]

I was at that game and Boller single handily gave us the win... That was absolutely the worst single game performance I've ever seen by a QB. (and that's saying something after 4 years of watching "14")

IMO, nothing beats the Flutie debacle at Invesco in 2003

[TheDave]

IMO, nothing beats the Flutie debacle at Invesco in 2003

Were going to have to agree to disagree on this... What i saw was so pathetic i actually started feeling bad for the guy

[Kaylore]

Let us not forget that wolfie754 called the Esslinger pick.
And I think he was the one the night before the draft saying QB is a primry concern.

[BroncoInferno]

McNair might be worth two extra games. That gets them to, what, 8-8? Their defense is not as good as it once was, and you don't play consistent offensively with a bad OL. So, yes, he will improve them, but they have plenty of other weaknesses. They don't scare me a bit.

[BroncosMT]

i just found out who it is! friend of mine works at dove valley in the public relations department, get ready for some big news if they can pull another rabbit out of the hat!


My only question is that is it going to be someone that is going to instantly help and help BIG?? Are we going to be happy as Fans with the move? ( I guess that is two questions)

[youcandoit1687]

i may be the last remaining bronco fan that actually wants lelie here, but i accept there's just no way to make that happen.

still, its a crying shame in my book.
lelie, smith, and walker wouldve been an AWESOME trio, and with plummer in his 4th year under center i think that wouldve been a scary good offense.

we'll still be good without him, but i dont see anyone else we have filling that spot to even HALF of what lelie wouldve.

i would still like to have him but judging by the way the FO, official web site, media(ya ya the media), june jones, and anybody with any knowledge of the situation is treating it, ive just accepted that in all likelihood, he is gone. so now i enter into, what can you get for me mode and look for trades to happen. i wish i didnt have to but thats how it is. im sure wed all rather have a full go, no attitude lelie if we could but thats just not the case

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I'm thinking Broncs trade Lelie and some swamp land in Arizona and end up with the rest of Cleveland's DL and a First roud choice from Redskins

[MechanicalBull]

About a week ago, there was an article in the Rocky where Shanny was talking about TEs, and the main point he made in it was that the starter will be determined more by blocking ability than receiving.

Graham might make some sense in that regard. Maybe Anthony Becht if T-Bay is involved.

I saw lots of Becht in NY and I don't like the guy one bit and neither did jets fans and plus I don't think Becht is equal value for Lelie. But I agree to an extent with Smith and Walker(if healthy) and if Marshall, Terrell, or Watts end up playing some good ball then we don't necessarily need a TE that is all about catching and he can stay in and help give Jake a little bit more time. However I do think we need a TE as a safety valve and red zone threat, so Graham probably does look like the best candidate since he can block and catch.

[bronco militia]

Were going to have to agree to disagree on this... What i saw was so pathetic i actually started feeling bad for the guy


San Diego's offense was even worse, one week after Doug Flutie led an improbable victory.

The Chargers (2-8) managed just 96 yards -- three in the second and third quarters -- after gaining a season-high 458 in a 42-28 win over Minnesota last week. San Diego also had four turnovers and went 37:47 between their first and second first downs.

Flutie was phenomenal against the Vikings, accounting for four touchdowns, but wasn't so great against the Broncos.

He was 9-for-25 for 70 yards with an interception and two fumbles. He at least improved over the first half, when he was 3-for-12 for 15 yards with a quarterback rating of 4.9.

"Things didn't go well," Flutie said. "We aren't all smiles and happy. It was frustrating not to be able to make a play."

[bcbronc]

I'm thinking Broncs trade Lelie and some swamp land in Arizona and end up with the rest of Cleveland's DL and a First roud choice from Redskins


washington's first round pick? haven't they already traded them all until the year 2022?

[Broncoman13]

My only question on this is...Cleveland has Braylon Edwards and Antonio Bryant...so the third team thing makes sense. What does Cleveland need at this point in time? That might help us put the pieces together a little better.


I'm pretty sure Antonio Bryant is now in San Fran... not certain, but it seems they acq'd him during this offseason.

KWII is the player that comes to mind with the discription of injured player that needs contract renegged.

Personally, I'm hoping for Daniel Graham. We have a guy that can catch passes. In fact, we have a couple of them. Nobody doubts Scheff's hands, same with White House. Both have speed to get open... but neither have proven they can block. Graham is being labeled by some as the best blocking TE in the league. Talk about helping the run game!!! I hope it's him.

[WABronco]

I'm pretty sure Antonio Bryant is now in San Fran... not certain, but it seems they acq'd him during this offseason.

KWII is the player that comes to mind with the discription of injured player that needs contract renegged.

Personally, I'm hoping for Daniel Graham. We have a guy that can catch passes. In fact, we have a couple of them. Nobody doubts Scheff's hands, same with White House. Both have speed to get open... but neither have proven they can block. Graham is being labeled by some as the best blocking TE in the league. Talk about helping the run game!!! I hope it's him.
...and he can catch the ball too.

[yerner]

Who's buffalo got? Wasnt there a tight end from Miami they took last year? Everett or something?

[Old Dude]

They used a 3rd round pick on that guy, but he was injured badly in preseason and went IR.

Thing is that the Bills already released their starting TE from last year, Campbell, so it's not like they have any depth there.

[wolf754life]

I can confirm that the player will be more of a blocker than recieving specialist, the broncos are obviously super high on scheffler as the recieving tight end, and now they want a good "younger" blocking tight end that can also be effective in the redzone. This verifies that the broncos, like us "the fanbase", aren't really sold on stephen alexander, who is very injury prone and extremely streaky as both a pass catcher and especially as a blocker.

[Requiem]

Someone had stated on the Broncos message board (official) that Denver would receive Daniel Graham from New England, New Orleans would get Ashley Lelie and Donte Stallworth would go to New England.

Sounds plausible.

[Old Dude]

Someone had stated on the Broncos message board (official) that Denver would receive Daniel Graham from New England, New Orleans would get Ashley Lelie and Donte Stallworth would go to New England.

Sounds plausible.

I wouldn't mind that at all.

[Rascal]

I would be estatic to get Graham. Have him start on one side and Alexander/Scheffler/House rotate at TE #2 depending on the setup. Give Scheffler some time to groom and see if his blocking can improve to teh point that he can be #1 and slide Graham back to #2. If anything else Graham can get Bailey into shape. Ha!

I'm not so sure that NE would want Lelie or Stallworth though, but I'd take it easily if I'm the Broncos.

[Old Dude]

I would be estatic to get Graham. Have him start on one side and Alexander/Scheffler/House rotate at TE #2 depending on the setup. Give Scheffler some time to groom and see if his blocking can improve to teh point that he can be #1 and slide Graham back to #2. If anything else Graham can get Bailey into shape. Ha!

I'm not so sure that NE would want Lelie or Stallworth though, but I'd take it easily if I'm the Broncos.

Believe it or not, there was an article on the Pats insider, about a week ago, lusting after Lelie. But I think it was just a fan article, probably submitted by Oskie or Mile Hi Shack, under a false name.

[Rascal]

Graham article

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/05/07/graham_may_be_in_bit_of_a_tight_spot/

"More than one offensive lineman has said Graham is the best blocker on the team."

[Requiem]

There had been rumors that New England had shipped Bethel Johnson to New Orleans for Jonthan Sullivan, which would have been a lop-sided trade if you ask me.

New England has Chad Jackson, but nobody really worthy after that. Do they still have Troy Brown? But still, they need another guy there, so a trade for either seems Plausible, and the Saints will need a receiver too. So, that's why it makes sense to me.

[WABronco]

:pray: I can confirm that the player will be more of a blocker than recieving specialist, the broncos are obviously super high on scheffler as the recieving tight end, and now they want a good "younger" blocking tight end that can also be effective in the redzone. This verifies that the broncos, like us "the fanbase", aren't really sold on stephen alexander, who is very injury prone and extremely streaky as both a pass catcher and especially as a blocker.
...Daniel Graham.

[DomCasual]

Daniel Graham would be a perfect fit here, IMO. It is one of the only realistic scenarios for Lelie where I think we would be getting decent value. And with his Colorado connections, maybe he'd want to stay longer than just this year.

Man, I somehow always end up with Graham in almost every fantasy league I play. This would be a curse - I'll probably end up with Putzier.

[elpasojoe]

Another fan hoping that the trade includes Daniel Graham. The only other TE that might be expendable IMO is Dan Campbell of Dallas. They have Pro Bowler Jason Witten, then drafted another tight end in April. This spurred the comment from Parcells that they wanted to use the new in more two tight end sets that they were planning for the future. But no mention was made of Dan Campbell. That day I thought his future was not in Dallas.

[Rascal]

Don't forget about Anthony Becht as well of TB, I'd prefer Graham personally.

[Rascal]

Another fan hoping that the trade includes Daniel Graham. The only other TE that might be expendable IMO is Dan Campbell of Dallas. They have Pro Bowler Jason Witten, then drafted another tight end in April. This spurred the comment from Parcells that they wanted to use the new in more two tight end sets that they were planning for the future. But no mention was made of Dan Campbell. That day I thought his future was not in Dallas.

Campbell plays for the Lions now (FA).

[DomCasual]

Don't forget about Anthony Becht as well of TB, I'd prefer Graham personally.
Me, too.

[Dukes]

Graham article

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/05/07/graham_may_be_in_bit_of_a_tight_spot/

"More than one offensive lineman has said Graham is the best blocker on the team."

Hmm.... Graham coming to Denver is sounding better by the minute

[bronco militia]

believe it or not, scouts inc had the Graham trade rumor sometime before the draft

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=38975&highlight=graham

[The Big E]

Graham sounds good to me. I wasn't aware that he was such a strong blocker.

[Rascal]

I can confirm that the player will be more of a blocker than recieving specialist, the broncos are obviously super high on scheffler as the recieving tight end, and now they want a good "younger" blocking tight end that can also be effective in the redzone. This verifies that the broncos, like us "the fanbase", aren't really sold on stephen alexander, who is very injury prone and extremely streaky as both a pass catcher and especially as a blocker.

Has he been mentioned on this thread?

[DomCasual]

Has he been mentioned on this thread?
You don't have to tell us his name, but could you at least give us his first and last initials?

[dbfan4life]

Wasn't he the one who ran down Champ in the playoff game?

[Old Dude]

Everyone's going to get their hopes up over Daniel Graham, and then we'll wind up trading Lelie for Santiago or Webster or Blakely or some such.

[TheDave]

Has he been mentioned on this thread?

considering every tight end in the league has been mentioned ROFL!

[Old Dude]

considering every tight end in the league has been mentioned ROFL!


LOL

Take your pick/guess... what would our cap space be after getting rid of lelie? would we take a hit from losing him?

1. Antonio Gates, SD - no, pricey and prized
2. Tony Gonzalez, KC - no trade line, contract problems or not
3. Jeremy Shockey, NYG - awesome, but unlikely with price
4. Alge Crumpler, ATL - possibility if they feel like getting another lanky,speedy WR
5. Todd Heap, BAL -THE STORMIN MORMON!, they could use another WR
6. Jason Witten, DAL - possibly, TO pending(but dont they want two TE sets)
7. Randy McMichael, MIA - very possible. need WRs
8. Chris Cooley, WAS - too many WRs already
9. L.J. Smith, PHI - could be cuz they need "proven" receivers
10. Heath Miller, PIT - doubt it but MAYBE with santonio holmes problems
11. Vernon Davis, SF - highly unlikely
12. Dallas Clark, IND - no, obviously not
13. Ben Watson, NE - dont think they want attitude problems but u never know what BB is thinking
14. Jerramy Stevens, SEA - already have three good receivers
15. Ben Troupe, TEN - possibility, depends on WR trust
16. Jermaine Wiggins, MIN - i could see this, especially with the loss of nate robinson
17. Kellen Winslow Jr., CLE - doubtful from our side
18. Alex Smith, TB - nothing special and they have young WRs
19. Zach Hilton, NO - too many WRs
20. Bubba Franks, GB - this would be nice, hes a good TE, hows the blocking& money?
21. Marcus Pollard, DET - they love them receivers....
22. Jeb Putzier, HOU - im uh, im gonna say no
23. Erron Kinney, TEN - possible along with troupe
24. Desmond Clark, CHI - no second chances
25. Courtney Anderson, OAK - no trade line
26. Daniel Graham, NE - same situation as watson
27. Marcedes Lewis, JAX - rook
28. Leonard Pope, ARI - rook
29. Doug Jolley, NYJ - doubt it, but they do need WRs
30. Eric Johnson, SF - very possible IMO
31. Dominique Byrd, STL - rook
32. Jim Kleinsasser, MIN - he is ugly, have you ever seen him, plus he is a HBack moreso but good blocker
33. Chris Baker, NYJ - no upgrade
34. Kris Mangum, CAR - no upgrade

[Rascal]

considering every tight end in the league has been mentioned ROFL!

I forgot about that post mentioning everybody. LOL

Nevermind.

[Pat Bowlen]

Let us not forget that wolfie754 called the Esslinger pick.
Who didn't?

http://72.22.74.110/BB/showpost.php?p=1045217&postcount=8

[Pat Bowlen]

Wasn't he the one who ran down Champ in the playoff game?
You're thinking of Ben Watson.

[Old Dude]

Who didn't?

http://72.22.74.110/BB/showpost.php?p=1045217&postcount=8

Yeah, but you're the owner so that's cheating.

[Merlin]

I think Buffalo traded a TE to NO.

[RunYouOver26]

I can confirm that the player will be more of a blocker than recieving specialist, the broncos are obviously super high on scheffler as the recieving tight end, and now they want a good "younger" blocking tight end that can also be effective in the redzone. This verifies that the broncos, like us "the fanbase", aren't really sold on stephen alexander, who is very injury prone and extremely streaky as both a pass catcher and especially as a blocker.


Any clue when it'll all go down?

[Hotrod]

All this excitment and my sources (Mock) tell me its a trade for Putz.

[BABronco]

To lazy to read the whole ten pages ... however I would like to put in my say .. I'd kill to get Heap. That guy is a monster.

[eddie mac]

I think Buffalo traded a TE to NO.

Euhus for the LB Watson who nearly joined the Phins a week or 2 ago.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Euhus for the LB Watson who nearly joined the Phins a week or 2 ago.
I wonder if everyone else is a bit worried after hearing a line like that.

[elsid13]

Well at least this thread as kept me for reread about Mock drum set.

If it happen great, if it doesn't I'm looking forward to the 3 WR sets with Lelie, Walker and Smith.

[eddie mac]

I can actually see something happening with Philadelphia maybe along the lines of Lelie to the Eagles for maybe a 4th and 5th rounder, then we trade the 5th rounder to NE for Graham and get back the 4th we gave Atlanta giving us our full deck of picks for next season again.

NE would probably take a 5th rd pick for Graham considering he's only 1 year left on his contract and they've no intention of extending it.

[Ballhawk]

If the teams involved is NO and NE, I wonder if Brees had something to do with them wanting Ashley, who did pretty well against the Chuggers.

Graham would be a great fit here, hope we could get an extention in place tho.

[Flyboy063]

Wasn't he the one who ran down Champ in the playoff game?


Nope, Ben Watson was the guy who chased down Champ.

[Old Dude]

I can actually see something happening with Philadelphia maybe along the lines of Lelie to the Eagles for maybe a 4th and 5th rounder, then we trade the 5th rounder to NE for Graham and get back the 4th we gave Atlanta giving us our full deck of picks for next season again.

NE would probably take a 5th rd pick for Graham considering he's only 1 year left on his contract and they've no intention of extending it.

But the problem is that Ashlie only has one year remaining as well. And he's made it real clear that he won't play here, which diminishes his market value even more, since it puts the Broncos in the position of a motivated seller.

[Rascal]

I can actually see something happening with Philadelphia maybe along the lines of Lelie to the Eagles for maybe a 4th and 5th rounder, then we trade the 5th rounder to NE for Graham and get back the 4th we gave Atlanta giving us our full deck of picks for next season again.

uh?

[Requiem]

Wolf, I want confirmation on this now.

[eddie mac]

uh?

What dont you undestand from that scenario???

[Rascal]

What dont you undestand from that scenario???

That you consider Lelie worth a fourth and a fifth but Graham only a fifth rounder.