Chavez: Carlos the Jackal 'a good friend'

[ak1971]

nice guy...


CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez brought up Carlos the Jackal during a meeting of oil producers Thursday, calling the Venezuela-born terrorist who once took hostages at an OPEC meeting "a good friend."


Carlos, whose real name is Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, gained notoriety during the Cold War for staging a string of bombings and assassinations. He is serving a life sentence for murder in France.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_carlos_the_jackal

[DBruleU]

LABF loves the guy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF loves the guy.

This from a die-hard supporter of the war criminal in the WH?

That is, an unrepentant supporter of a man with an almost incomprehensible amount of innocent blood on his hands?

You are a walking, talking, hypocrisy generating machine. tsk tsk

[DBruleU]

This from a die-hard supporter of the war criminal in the WH?

That is, an unrepentant supporter of a man with an almost incomprehensible amount of innocent blood on his hands?

You are a walking, talking, hypocrisy generating machine. tsk tsk

I do support our President, yes.

I don't support Chavez who is sympathetic to terrorism.

[Rigs11]

I do support our President, yes.

I don't support Chavez who is sympathetic to terrorism.
How many people has that moron in the white house killed through his bullshet war? How many has chavez killed? Now who is the terrorist again?What has bush done to help americans suffering from the high oil prices? told them that they are addicted to oil. What has chavez done? Given Americans cheap oil to heat their homes. Next...

[spdirty]

same old tactic...deflect, deflect, deflect. Remember DBrule, say this 100 times like the good liberals do...

Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.

got it?

[W*GS]

Chavez is the perfect example of the lousy "friends" the rabidly anti-Bush Left have made for themselves.

Chavez is a total scumbag - anti-democratic and autocratic to his core. The longer he stays in power, the greater the likelihood Venezuela ends up like Nigeria - a failed petro-state.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

.

got it?
I don't like either one of them but Bush has far more blood on his hands than Chavez as far as I know. Is there a reason to defend Bush over him or just about anyone else?

[DBruleU]

I don't like either one of them but Bush has far more blood on his hands than Chavez as far as I know. Is there a reason to defend Bush over him or just about anyone else?

Because he's our president? And he doesnt associate himself with terrorists?

[spdirty]

I don't like either one of them but Bush has far more blood on his hands than Chavez as far as I know. Is there a reason to defend Bush over him or just about anyone else?

Well, why would you defend Chavez in the first place?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Because he's our president? And he doesnt associate himself with terrorists?
What's the definition of a terrorist? And for the record, he is NOT my president, he's all yours.

[spdirty]

Look, this thread has nothing to do with Bush, yet he is your only scapegoat.

Beerslug, and any of the other good libs, here is my question. And please do not insert the President into your answer. Do you condemn or defend Chavez for the statement he made about the known terrorist?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How many people has that moron in the white house killed through his bullshet war? How many has chavez killed? Now who is the terrorist again?What has bush done to help americans suffering from the high oil prices? told them that they are addicted to oil. What has chavez done? Given Americans cheap oil to heat their homes. Next...

Once again, Rigs11 puts the WWF smackdown on the fake Xians. :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Do you condemn or defend Chavez for the statement he made about the known terrorist?

Do you understand the meaning of the expression "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"

[spdirty]

Do you understand the meaning of the expression "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"

And that doesnt apply to you for supporting Chavez?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And for the record, he is NOT my president, he's all yours.

Amen! ^5

Also for the record, lest we forget, the mental midgets who still defend the crooked, lying sack of shyte in the WH only represent 29% of Americans.

At any rate, it's easy to spot the tactic the bush apologists are using here:

Demonize Chavez in order to deflect attention from their own demons.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And that doesnt apply to you for supporting Chavez?

I'll take that as a "no" to my last question.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Do you condemn or defend Chavez for the statement he made about the known terrorist?

:laugh:

A Bush supporter criticizing Chavez is like a bank robber criticizing a jaywalker.

[spdirty]

Oh God, your obsessed. THIS THREAD ISNT EVEN ABOUT BUSH!!!!!!!!

Yet you continue to deflect the facts presented be the thread starter with your obsession.

Its your only defense to this. Even if Chavez said he wanted a million babies dead, your response/rebuttal would be "yeah, well, Bush is a poo poo head cuz he did this so you can't criticise Chavez!!! na na na na naaaaaa na."

[Rigs11]

same old tactic...deflect, deflect, deflect. Remember DBrule, say this 100 times like the good liberals do...

Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.

got it?
Trust me we don't need to defend chavez of anything. You on the other hand have plenty to defend bush about.

[spdirty]

Trust me we don't need to defend chavez of anything. You on the other hand have plenty to defend bush about.

Oh so you don't need to defend Chavez from calling a known terrorist "a good friend?"

OK, makes total sense.

My only question is why? Does he have some kind of special powers that make him, I don't know, great? And any criticism of him is of course bs because the only ones who would dare criticise Chavez are the evil bushbots, right?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Oh so you don't need to defend Chavez from calling a known terrorist "a good friend?"

OK, makes total sense.
Not me, I know he's an idiot but I don't think he has invaded any countries yet.

[Rigs11]

What's the definition of a terrorist? And for the record, he is NOT my president, he's all yours.

Terrorist: One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant.


Hmmmmmm...

[spdirty]

Not me, I know he's an idiot.

Good. Now we're getting somewhere.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh God, your obsessed. THIS THREAD ISNT EVEN ABOUT BUSH!!!!!!!!

Yet you continue to deflect the facts presented be the thread starter with your obsession.

You don't get it.

It's not so much the facts I take issue with here - it's the tactic Bush apologists are using, i.e., constant harping on Chavez's improprieties - real or imagined - in order to deflect attention from the considerably more eggregious crimes and failures of the madman of a president and the singularly corrupt party they support.

Even if Chavez said he wanted a million babies dead, your response/rebuttal would be "yeah, well, Bush is a poo poo head cuz he did this so you can't criticise Chavez!!! na na na na naaaaaa na."

??? :crazy:

Mmmm, I don't think so.

[Rigs11]

Oh so you don't need to defend Chavez from calling a known terrorist "a good friend?"

OK, makes total sense.

My only question is why? Does he have some kind of special powers that make him, I don't know, great? And any criticism of him is of course bs because the only ones who would dare criticise Chavez are the evil bushbots, right?

He's not my president. That's what you don't get, you have yahoos creating threads on this board about some foreign leader, while bush is destroying this country.So he's friends with a "terrorist". What we perceive as a terrorist here in other countries they could be perceived as a hero.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Not me, I know he's an idiot but I don't think he has invaded any countries yet.

Exactly.

The wingers are playing a game called "let's all pile on Chavez so we don't have to answer for Bush."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He's not my president. That's what you don't get, you have yahoos creating threads on this board about some foreign leader, while bush is destroying this country.

Hole in one, Tiger Woods. ^5

These people focus on Chavez for the same reason the "liberal media" focuses on Paris Hilton and American Idol instead of what BushCo is doing:

Distract, deflect, dumb-down, repeat ad nauseum...

[Spider]

Because he's our president? And he doesnt associate himself with terrorists?
better check out the new Irian appeasement plan ..........

[spdirty]

He's not my president. That's what you don't get, you have yahoos creating threads on this board about some foreign leader, while bush is destroying this country.So he's friends with a "terrorist". What we perceive as a terrorist here in other countries they could be perceived as a hero.


So why don't you get ahold of Taco John and tell him that in the "War, Religion, and Politics" board, all threads are to be only about Bush...nothing else. Chavez and anything he says are not to be talked about or discussed by anyone. Only Bush is to be discussed.

[spdirty]

Hole in one, Tiger Woods. ^5

These people focus on Chavez for the same reason the "liberal media" focuses on Paris Hilton and American Idol instead of what BushCo is doing:

Distract, deflect, dumb-down, repeat ad nauseum...

No, sometimes we would like to take a break from Bush and talk about something else which relates to "War, Religion, and Politics."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So why don't you get ahold of Taco John and tell him that in the "War, Religion, and Politics" board, all threads are to be only about Bush...nothing else. Chavez and anything he says are not to be talked about or discussed by anyone. Only Bush is to be discussed.

Nah - censorship and lobbying TJ are your side's tactics - not ours.

[Spider]

Nah - censorship and lobbying TJ are your side's tactics - not ours.
look no futher then Rascal ....... Mommy Mod , Daddy mod , Spider said a dirty word again ........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Because he's our president? And he doesnt associate himself with terrorists?


:laugh:

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban

By Robert Scheer
Published May 22, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times

Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will embrace you. All that matters is that you line up as an ally in the drug war, the only international cause that this nation still takes seriously.

That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that "rogue regime" for declaring that opium growing is against the will of God. So, too, by the Taliban's estimation, are most human activities, but it's the ban on drugs that catches this administration's attention.

Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan, from which, among other crimes, he launched two bloody attacks on American embassies in Africa in 1998.

Sadly, the Bush administration is cozying up to the Taliban regime at a time when the United Nations, at U.S. insistence, imposes sanctions on Afghanistan because the Kabul government will not turn over Bin Laden.

http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm

[spdirty]

Nah - censorship and lobbying TJ are your side's tactics - not ours.

huh uh...their YOUR sides tactics not ours.

[Spider]

huh uh...their YOUR sides tactics not ours.
LOL you are new here ........ More Republicans went ot the mods then Dems ... Rascal was #1 , think he still is

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

huh uh...their YOUR sides tactics not ours.

:bs:

I've never seen one of the liberals or non-Bush supporters on this forum asking the mods or TJ to ban anyone on your side.

[DBruleU]

What's the definition of a terrorist? And for the record, he is NOT my president, he's all yours.

Apparently you dont live in America. like it or not, hes our President bud.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Apparently you dont live in America

The dry drunk only has a positive net approval rating in three states, so you're off the mark again.

http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/50StatePres060515Net.htm

You live in Bushistan, the majority live in America.

[W*GS]

Also for the record, lest we forget, the mental midgets who still defend the crooked, lying sack of shyte in the WH only represent 29% of Americans.

Even so, that 29% is far far far greater in number than those who agree with even 10% of your views.

But then, percentages and so on are irrelevant to the facts and the truth. How I wish that would get through to you!

Demonize Chavez in order to deflect attention from their own demons.

Actually, you're bringing in Bush to deflect away from your hero, Chavez. You're his most ardent apologist. Why?

[ClevelandBronco]

You live in Bushistan, the majority live in America.

You guys are about to make the same mistake you made in the run-up to 1988. You're defining yourselves primarily as the party that is opposed to a guy who is term limited and on his way out.

Despite your paranoid fantasies concerning Diebold, Fla. voting rolls and the SCOTUS, power will be handed peacefully to our next president.

I'm not convinced yet that your party will be able to field a serious candidate.

------

And Chavez is no better than any other Socialist POS pretender that has ever filled the role of the great deliverer.

[DBruleU]

You guys are about to make the same mistake you made in the run-up to 1988. You're defining yourselves primarily as the party that is opposed to a guy who is term limited and on his way out.

Despite your paranoid fantasies concerning Diebold, Fla. voting rolls and the SCOTUS, power will be handed peacefully to our next president.

I'm not convinced yet that your party will be able to field a serious candidate.

------

And Chavez is no better than any other Socialist POS pretender that has ever filled the role of the great deliverer.

Yes, it's Hillary. hahahaha! I can't wait.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You're defining yourselves primarily as the party that is opposed to a guy who is term limited and on his way out.

Opposing the monkey = in step with 2/3 of America.

Despite your paranoid fantasies concerning Diebold, Fla. voting rolls and the SCOTUS, power will be handed peacefully to our next president.

"Paranoid fantasies?" ???

You need to put down The Watchtower and pick up a newspaper every once and awhile, dude.

I'm not convinced yet that your party will be able to field a serious candidate.

Compared to Bush, Bozo the clown would seem like a serious candidate.

And Chavez is no better than any other Socialist POS pretender that has ever filled the role of the great deliverer.

Is that why his approval ratings have been in the 70s and 80s?

In Venezuela, only the super-rich corporatists (read: the same kind of people Bush works for) dislike Chavez.

[elsid13]

It is clear that Chavez is attempting to expand his influence in the region. Put all the crap about bush aside, that is off topic. The question is the Chavez's action bad for the American long term national security Bush won't be there forever, but Chavez is clearly attempting to remove American political and economic theories in South America

Venezuela adds troops to Colombian border
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060603/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_military (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060603/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_military)<!-- END HEADLINE -->
<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By FABIOLA SANCHEZ, Associated Press WriterFri Jun 2, 11:32 PM ET



Venezuela is beefing up its troop strength along the Colombian border, negotiating with Russia to set up arms factories, and preparing for a possible invasion, the army commander said Friday.

The army has increased its force along the Colombian border by about 6,000 men, Gen. Raul Baduel said at a news conference. He said 1,000 troops are now guarding the 1,370-mile border, which is plagued by drug trafficking, smuggling and guerrilla and paramilitary activities.

"We cannot set aside the possibility of a military invasion on our country," because its vast oil deposits make it a target, he said. Baduel declined to specify what country the army was preparing against for a possible invasion. President Hugo Chavez has repeatedly accused the United States of plotting an attack to unseat his government — charges U.S. officials deny.

Venezuela has used its surging oil revenues to modernize its military, signing defense deals worth an estimated $2.7 billion with countries including Russia and Spain as suppliers. Baduel said Venezuela is negotiating with Russia to set up factories to produce Kalashnikov assault rifles and ammunition within three to five years.

Venezuela expects to receive a shipment of 30,000 Kalashnikov AK-103 rifles this weekend — the first of 100,000 this year, Baduel said.
U.S. officials have expressed concern about Venezuela's military buildup. Calling Chavez a destabilizing threat to the region, they have kept close watch on his ties with other leftist leaders, including Bolivian President Evo Morales and Cuba's Fidel Castro.

The U.S. State Department on Friday indicated a clear preference for Guatemala over Venezuela for the Latin America-Caribbean seat on the U.N. Security Council.

Venezuela also plans to send two Superpuma helicopters and a contingent of military officials to Bolivia, Defense Minister Orlando Maniglia said this week.

Some Bolivian opposition groups have questioned the presence of Venezuelan military officials, including Baduel, among Chavez's delegation on a recent trip to Bolivia.

[Spider]

I realy havent paid much attention to Chaves , Fox , the president of Mexico is a far more greater threat ,Mexico is a huge oil importer to the U.S. , they have good fertile farm ground , ports , yet we have this imagration problem , it is clear Mexico has the means to become a thriving Economy , yet they dont ....

[W*GS]

Compared to Bush, Bozo the clown would seem like a serious candidate.

So make Bozo your party's candidate in 2008. Should be a cakewalk, eh?

Perhaps you shoulda run him in 2004, too, instead of Kerry.

[spdirty]

Opposing the monkey = in step with 2/3 of America.
And Republicans...well, conservatives ARE distancing themselves from Bush. You didn't know that?



"Paranoid fantasies?" ???

You need to put down The Watchtower and pick up a newspaper every once and awhile, dude..

LOL Love the JW reference...good one, Ill remember that.


Compared to Bush, Bozo the clown would seem like a serious candidate..

LOL Yet the 2 mental masters you guys put up against him didn't have the ummph to do what it took to win. BTW, isn't it sad that since Bush cannot run again we will never find out whether Bozo wouldve beaten him? You need to stop and realize that Bush will never get reelected president again so you can stop worrying about who runs against Bush and start worrying about the GOP candidate who will run in 2 years.


Is that why his approval ratings have been in the 70s and 80s?

In Venezuela, only the super-rich corporatists (read: the same kind of people Bush works for) dislike Chavez.
got a link that shows that?

[24champ]

same old tactic...deflect, deflect, deflect. Remember DBrule, say this 100 times like the good liberals do...

Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.
Bush is worse which is my only defense for loving Chavez.

got it?
http://home.cfl.rr.com/adrianakamlg/kool_aid.jpg

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So make Bozo your party's candidate in 2008. Should be a cakewalk, eh?
Perhaps you shoulda run him in 2004, too, instead of Kerry. And who is your candidate? It's clear now that Kerry was right about most everything he said.
Anyone still defending Bush at this point is probably sportin an IQ in Gump's neighborhood.

Did you take off you Bush/Cheney bumper sticker yet? Seems like everyone else has.

[DBruleU]

And who is your candidate? It's clear now that Kerry was right about most everything he said.
Anyone still defending Bush at this point is probably sportin an IQ in Gump's neighborhood.

Did you take off you Bush/Cheney bumper sticker yet? Seems like everyone else has.
More like, did you take off Kerry/Edwards Bumper stick yet? No one in Boulder has yet. Time to get over it. Can't live in the past.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

More like, did you take off Kerry/Edwards Bumper stick yet? No one in Boulder has yet. Time to get over it. Can't live in the past.

Why is that?

Did you scrape off your Bush and God for America sticker yet?

[DBruleU]

Why is that?

Did you scrape off your Bush and God for America sticker yet?

You had better hope God is still with us. And they didnt take them off yet because...well, they have issues with denial. I think I said that in the original post. I would have thought you'd pick up on it being the genius you are.

No, I dont like to put bumper stickers on my gas guzzling hummer. I just like to burn fuel and pollute the air and contribute to global warming.. Not to mention cut down a few trees in the Boulder Open Space.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And who is your candidate? It's clear now that Kerry was right about most everything he said. Anyone still defending Bush at this point is probably sportin an IQ in Gump's neighborhood.

:thumbsup:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8697/36893112owned59dj.jpg


Did you take off you Bush/Cheney bumper sticker yet? Seems like everyone else has.

:laugh:

Funny how they all disappeared, isn't it?

I'll bet W*GS and DBruleU are the only two people left in CO who are still sporting their Bush/Cheney stickers.

[24champ]

:thumbsup:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8697/36893112owned59dj.jpg



:laugh:

Funny how they all disappeared, isn't it?

I'll bet W*GS and DBruleU are the only two people left in CO who are still sporting their Bush/Cheney stickers.
I doubt it since you probably dont visit CO much. If you go outside Denver, CO there are still many Bush Supporters. You just need to get out of Cuckooville, CA more often.

BTW I ran into Westly the dude that is running for govenor. I think the Democrats party pulled their endorsement from Westly. Im not gonna vote for the guy but I dont want to vote for Arnold either since he doesnt have a clue how to controll spending and what to do about the border.

[Spider]

I doubt it since you probably dont visit CO much. If you go outside Denver, CO there are still many Bush Supporters. You just need to get out of Cuckooville, CA more often.

BTW I ran into Westly the dude that is running for govenor. I think the Democrats party pulled their endorsement from Westly. Im not gonna vote for the guy but I dont want to vote for Arnold either since he doesnt have a clue how to controll spending and what to do about the border.
LOL and I meet more people in Texas that are against Bush ..... Most I talk to in Colorado admit voting for Bush , but they ask for a muligan vote ....... The Bush in the office isnt the Bush they expected ..........Even one of Bush's nieghbors in Crawford doesnt like Bush , lets Sheehan use his property ..... Hilarious! even his own nieghbor thinks he is a ásshole .......

[spdirty]

I doubt it since you probably dont visit CO much. If you go outside Denver, CO there are still many Bush Supporters. You just need to get out of Cuckooville, CA more often.
He'd melt if he ever left.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If you go outside Denver, CO there are still many Bush Supporters.
Define "many".

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I doubt it since you probably dont visit CO much. If you go outside Denver, CO there are still many Bush Supporters. You just need to get out of Cuckooville, CA more often.

Sounds like speculation is all you have left to work with here.

What a surprise.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Define "many".

So many that Bush has a negative net approval rating in CO.

:laugh:

If chimpbailey got out of Bushistan more often he'd know this.

[W*GS]

And who is your candidate?

Certainly no Republican or Democrat. Who's yours?

It's clear now that Kerry was right about most everything he said.

And yet he still couldn't defeat Bush...

Did you take off you Bush/Cheney bumper sticker yet? Seems like everyone else has.

Never had one - didn't vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004.

Why have you adopted LABF's simplistic views? You're better than that.

[W*GS]

I'll bet W*GS and DBruleU are the only two people left in CO who are still sporting their Bush/Cheney stickers.

Never had one.

Actually, you ought to try a spell in Venezuela - after all, Chavez is your kinda guy. Living in LA, you ought to be familiar enough with Spanish to make a go of it.

[24champ]

Sounds like speculation is all you have left to work with here.

What a surprise.
I was merely responding to your post that 2 members of this forum are probably the only bush supporters of CO. There are more than you think.

[24champ]

So many that Bush has a negative net approval rating in CO.

:laugh:

If chimpbailey got out of Bushistan more often he'd know this.
awe namecalling, how cute. Did you graduate Kindergarten LABF?LOL

[24champ]

Define "many".
more than WIGS AND DBRULEU. ;)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Certainly no Republican or Democrat. Who's yours? Don't have one yet but whoever steps up runs with knowing our border, coastline and port security is inadequate will get my vote.

And yet he still couldn't defeat Bush... He may or may not of. I've lost confidence in our vote counting system. But it does speak to the intelligence of 50% of Americans who voted for Bush.

Never had one - didn't vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004. So you didn't throw your vote away and voted for Kerry.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Dueling Quotes

awe namecalling, how cute.


You just need to get out of Cuckooville, CA more often.

[DBruleU]

Dueling Quotes

That's pretty weak. Comparing a name he called a city, to you changing peoples names around consitently.

[24champ]

Dueling Quotes
Whoa you got me there LABF! LOL

[Spider]

Whoa you got me there LABF! LOL
When there is plenty other stuff to get you on ......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's pretty weak. Comparing a name he called a city, to you changing peoples names around consitently.

Name-calling is name-calling, whether the name-caller is talking about you or your town or your football team or whatever.

But the real point is that your 'Team Bush' team mate scolded me for name-calling - right after engaging in name-calling himself.

As a matter of fact, if I had a nickel for every time one of your right-wing pals has exhibited this same kind of hypocrisy, I'd probably be eligible for a big fat Bush tax cut.

[24champ]

Name-calling is name-calling, whether the name-caller is talking about you or your town or your football team or whatever.

But the real point is that your 'Team Bush' team mate scolded me for name-calling - right after engaging in name-calling himself.

I live in CA too so basically im making fun of my own state...

By the way isnt it "team Bushbot"?:clown:

[defenseman]

What's the definition of a terrorist? And for the record, he is NOT my president, he's all yours.

IF you are an american, which I believe you are then he has to be your president. Fact: citizens of the US elect the president of the US. Fact: GW was elected president of the US in 2004. Fact: You are a citizen of the US. Fact: the president resides over the government which acts in the best interest of the citizens of the US. Therefore, you a citizen have a president, namely GW Bush. I didn't necessarily enjoy seeing Pres. Clinton as our president, but, he was still the president. And he was my president, because, I am a citizen of the US. Just stands to reason...dman

*the election proces is what it is, no matter who gets into office.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

IF you are an american, which I believe you are then he has to be your president. Fact: citizens of the US elect the president of the US. Fact: GW was elected president of the US in 2004.
Not necessarily. Many questions on why black Americans votes weren't counted in Ohio so it's possible he wasn't elected...again.

Fact: the president resides over the government which acts in the best interest of the citizens of the US. Therefore, you a citizen have a president, namely GW Bush. Fiction. This government "presides" over a atmosphere of corruption and lies and led this country into the sh**ter. Bush may hold the "title" of U.S. president but he isn't anything even close to being "my" president.


I didn't necessarily enjoy seeing Pres. Clinton as our president, but, he was still the president. And he was my president, because, I am a citizen of the US. Just stands to reason...dman Yeah, most republicans and the religious right couldn't stand the thought of Clinton lying about a girl sucking his Bush but they sure are suspiously quite about the liar in charge lying the country to war.

*the election proces is what it is, no matter who gets into office. Which is very much in question these days.

[defenseman]

Not necessarily. Many questions on why black Americans votes weren't counted in Ohio so it's possible he wasn't elected...again.
Fiction. This government "presides" over a atmosphere of corruption and lies and led this country into the sh**ter. Bush may hold the "title" of U.S. president but he isn't anything even close to being "my" president.

Yeah, most republicans and the religious right couldn't stand the thought of Clinton lying about a girl sucking his Bush but they sure are suspiously quite about the liar in charge lying the country to war.
Which is very much in question these days.


ON and on and on....here we go again. Spin the wheel of misfortune and lets see what we are cooking up this week for muse of the members. Whatever dude...believe what you desire to believe....I'll stick to the basics, Pres. Clinton was my president when he was in office, so is Pres. Bush. That's just the way it is. He can't run another term, herego, you should be concentrating on who is going to be the next instead of worrying about the present. Once the wheels are set in motion, they are tough to stop sometimes...dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Looks like Peru elected themselves a dandy of a man.

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Garcia beats nationalist in Peru runoff
By Robin Emmott Mon Jun 5, 8:06 AM ET

LIMA, Peru (Reuters) - Former President Alan Garcia beat a fiery ex-army nationalist in Peru's runoff election on Sunday, staging a political comeback after his 1980s government ended in economic ruin, rebel violence and accusations of rights abuses.

The result is a blow for Venezuela's President Hugh Chavez, who sparked a diplomatic spat with Peru after trying to take advantage of a populist anti-U.S. tide in Latin America by supporting Ollanta Humala, a former army commander.

With 77 percent of the ballots counted, Garcia, who portrays himself as a left-of-center democrat, won about 55 percent of the vote and Humala, who spooked many middle-class Peruvians with calls for a revolution against the rich, had some 45 percent of votes.

Humala conceded defeat but vowed to battle for his nationalist revolution to help half the Peruvians who are poor.

A jubilant Garcia waved a white handkerchief -- a traditional victory symbol of his APRA party -- as thousands of supporters gathered outside his campaign headquarters in Lima and fireworks filled the sky.

"Today, Peru has sent a message of national sovereignty and has defeated efforts by Hugo Chavez to incorporate us in the expansion strategy of his military and backward-looking model, which he's tried to implant in Latin America," Garcia said.

Many Peruvians apparently voted for Garcia -- dubbed "Latin America's Kennedy" when he was first elected to the presidency at the age of 35 -- seeing him as the lesser of two evils and less hostile to business.

"It's a sad day. Neither of them is a good candidate," said 45-year-old psychologist Ida Blanc after she cast her vote for Garcia in an upper middle-class neighborhood of Lima.

Rival voters threw water and rubbish at each other in the southern Andean city of Arequipa in a sign of the political polarization of Peru, one of Latin America's poorest countries.

PERUVIANS STILL SUSPICIOUS

Garcia says he has learned from his mistakes and will better manage Peru's economy after five years of unprecedented growth. But Peruvians who were left destitute by his first term are still very suspicious of the 57-year-old lawyer.

"Peru is being tremendously generous to Garcia, something that he doesn't really deserve ... But this is not a blank check, he has to work hard, to do something better this time," said Augusto Alvarez, analyst and editor of daily Peru.21.

Garcia still preaches state regulation and his victory would be another sign of a backlash against free-market reforms in Latin America, which have done little to improve the living conditions of millions of voters.

cont. (http://tinyurl.com/qzejy)

[W*GS]

Bush may hold the "title" of U.S. president but he isn't anything even close to being "my" president.

Oh goody. We get to play buffet-style government.

I didn't vote for Bush, and I don't like his policies, so he's not "my" President.

I didn't vote for my Senators nor my Representative, and I don't like their policies, so they aren't "mine".

I didn't vote for anyone on the current City Council, and I don't like their policies, so they aren't "mine".

I didn't vote for any of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and so on, and I think they're despicable, so I want my money back.

[Mile High Shack]

amazing
they hate Bush
but sympathize with Chavez

wow, but, it doesn't surprise me

Bush is a bad president, but c'mon

Chavez?

wow

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Oh goody. We get to play buffet-style government.
I didn't vote for Bush, and I don't like his policies, so he's not "my" President.

Who says he was elected? Appointed and "fixed vote"is probably closer to truth.

[W*GS]

Who says he was elected? Appointed and "fixed vote" is probably closer to truth.

Whatever...

[defenseman]

Whatever...

Yeah, beating a totally beaten horse with the election fraud and such. This is ancient history...dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yeah, beating a totally beaten horse with the election fraud and such. This is ancient history...dman

It was less than two years ago the second time and anyone that dismisses what happened in the last two elections would live life well in Iran.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah, beating a totally beaten horse with the election fraud and such. This is ancient history...dman

Only to GOP shills like you who are (for obvious reasons) happy with the status quo and have no interest in seeing that voting "irregularities" don't happen again (why should you when these "irregularities" were all in your candidate's favor?)

[W*GS]

(why should you when these "irregularities" were all in your candidate's favor?)

Not "all" - but pointing out your vast overgeneralizations and downright lies is trivial.

BTW, why did you deflect this thread away from Chavez into yet another one of your tirades against Bush?

For all the verbiage you babble about how Bush supporters rationalize and spin away anything critical of him, you sure are hesitant to criticize Chavez. Why?

(I know the answer LABF will give: "Because comparing Chavez and Bush is like comparing a jaywalker and a mass murderer." Snore.)

[Rigs11]

amazing
they hate Bush
but sympathize with Chavez

wow, but, it doesn't surprise me

Bush is a bad president, but c'mon

Chavez?

wow
Yeah what a bastard that Chavez is. Giving poor americans cheap heating oil. What a great president Bush is. Telling people they are addicted to oil.

[defenseman]

Yeah what a bastard that Chavez is. Giving poor americans cheap heating oil. What a great president Bush is. Telling people they are addicted to oil.

Chavez is a malcontent. He deserves nothing less than a bullet to the brain...he can keep his oil as far as I'm concerned..dman

[defenseman]

Only to GOP shills like you who are (for obvious reasons) happy with the status quo and have no interest in seeing that voting "irregularities" don't happen again (why should you when these "irregularities" were all in your candidate's favor?)

You have no idea how wrong you really are about my opinion on this subject. But, at some point you just got to let things go. I had to do that when Clinton was in office, and trust me, I had lots I had to let go. You continue to beat the horse into glue, until it's a sticky mess, all over you I might add. Most folks, get really tired of the rhetoric, just as I do..over and over and on and on and on....jibberish it is, on and on.....the doors eventually get slammed shut in your face if you can't learn from the past and just make sure there is no question of it possibly occuring again in the future..dman

*By the way Bobby Kennedy Jr. will be on FOX today with what he deams evidence that the 2004 election was stolen by the republican party. I for one will watch it. I'm interested in the information gathered and how it's presented.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Chavez is a malcontent. He deserves nothing less than a bullet to the brain...

Ah, the religious right's philosophy on what to do with world leaders they disagree with.

[Rigs11]

Chavez is a malcontent. He deserves nothing less than a bullet to the brain...he can keep his oil as far as I'm concerned..dman
Yeha I'm sure if you were poor and freezing, you'd feel the same way. What a crock of shet.

[defenseman]

Ah, the religious right's philosophy on what to do with world leaders they disagree with.

Don't DARE include me in (or insinuate that) with the religious right. YOU have no idea of my beliefs or practices. I happen to believe the "religious right" is just as screwed as the "liberal non-religious left" . Label YOURSELF if you desire, but not me. Second , if he had the means this SOB would ensure our way of life was permanently abolished and destroyed. If he could, he has said it, acted on his beliefs, and continues to be a thorn in our countries side. He , if he could push the right buttons, would wipe us off the face of the map if he had the chance. A bullet is what he deserves..dman

IF you are saying our "philosphies" are similar on this particular subject, well if there the same, there the same. That DOES NOT mean I'm on the religious right.

[defenseman]

Yeha I'm sure if you were poor and freezing, you'd feel the same way. What a crock of shet.

Everyone is allowed their opinion, yours as well as mine. However, there is only one set of facts....dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Don't DARE include me in (or insinuate that) with the religious right. YOU have no idea of my beliefs or practices. I happen to believe the "religious right" is just as screwed as the "liberal non-religious left" .
I didn't, you did.

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"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it," said Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition.

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said.

http://tinyurl.com/af476

[Rigs11]

Everyone is allowed their opinion, yours as well as mine. However, there is only one set of facts....dman
And what are the facts? The funny thing is that you have a hissy fit about some foreign leader just because he doesn't blow Dubya as you do, and actually stands up to him.Yet you let Dubya continually bend you over in your own country.

[clarker]

And what are the facts? The funny thing is that you have a hissy fit about some foreign leader just because he doesn't blow Dubya as you do, and actually stands up to him.Yet you let Dubya continually bend you over in your own country.And you continue to blow Chavez just because he says he hates Bush, no matter what he says or does.

[Rigs11]

And you continue to blow Chavez just because he says he hates Bush, no matter what he says or does.
Too funny. I've stated why I respect chavez. Because he stepped in and helped our own fellow americans. What has bush done?I'm still waiting for an answer.

[defenseman]

And what are the facts? The funny thing is that you have a hissy fit about some foreign leader just because he doesn't blow Dubya as you do, and actually stands up to him.Yet you let Dubya continually bend you over in your own country.

I won't even acknowledge this. Review my posts. Often, I have a problem with president bush, and I say so. He's not perfect, never will be, and nor will anyone else. Looks like to me, your blowing Chavez, and swallowing I might add....dman

*I gotta big problem with the pres. on immigration, war tactics, choice of a few within his cabinet, policy wrt energy or lack thereof...I could go on and on. On other points, I agree with him wholeheartedly. nough said, if you are going to accuse me of "blowing" president bush, make sure you remove chavez's "dick" from your mouth before you talk.....I can't understand a word you are saying...dman

[Rigs11]

I won't even acknowledge this. Review my posts. Often, I have a problem with president bush, and I say so. He's not perfect, never will be, and nor will anyone else. Looks like to me, your blowing Chavez, and swallowing I might add....dman

*I gotta big problem with the pres. on immigration, war tactics, choice of a few within his cabinet, policy wrt energy or lack thereof...I could go on and on. On other points, I agree with him wholeheartedly. nough said, if you are going to accuse me of "blowing" president bush, make sure you remove chavez's "dick" from your mouth before you talk.....I can't understand a word you are saying...dman
I'm still waiting for an answer as to why chavez is malcontent. What has he done that makes him such a boogeyman?I'm blowing chavez because I respect him for helping out our own?Good one.The 'being perfect" copout wont work with me. No one expects the president to be perfect, but bush is a downright disaster.

[defenseman]

VENEZUELA IS NOW an abyss where there is no rule of law. A rogue government tortures innocent civilians with impunity while paying lip service to democracy and buying time at the "negotiation" table set up by the Organization of American States. Venezuela's foreign minister, Roy Chaderton, has funded an effective multi-million dollar public relations campaign to smear the opposition as coup-plotters and fascists intent on bringing about violence.

Jesus Soriano has never met Roy Chaderton or Hugo Chavez. Soriano supported President Hugo Chavez's meteoric rise, volunteered during the election campaign, and is now a second-year law student in Caracas. His law-school peers describe the 24-year-old as a cheerful and happy young man.

Soriano, a member of the Chavez party, is part of a national student group called "Ousia," a group that brings together moderates who support the government and opposition members seeking a peaceful resolution to the current crisis.

On December 6, Soriano witnessed the massacre that occurred during a peaceful protest in Altamira, a neighborhood in Caracas where the opposition has a strong presence. The killer was Joao De Gouveia, an outspoken supporter of Chavez who has an unusually close relationship with mayor Freddy Bernal, a Chavez crony. Gouveia randomly began shooting at the crowd. He killed three--including a teenage girl he shot in the head--and injured 28 people. As Gouveia kept shooting, several men raced toward him to stop the killing. Soriano was one of the men who wrestled Gouveia to the ground and prevented further killing. Soriano also protected Gouveia
from a potential lynch mob that swarmed around the killer.

Soriano's heroic accomplishments did not cease that day. He became a national figure in Venezuela when he brought a small soccer ball (known in Venezuela as a "futbolito") to a sizable protest march organized against the rule of Lt. Col. Chavez. Soriano and other pro-Chavez partisans made their way towards the march intending to engage the opposition members in dialogue.

That hot afternoon, Soriano kicked the futbolito across the divide at the members of the opposition. They kicked it back. The magical realism of the event is evident in the extraordinary television footage of what occurred next. By the end of the match the anti-Chavez protestors and pro-Chavez partisans were hugging and chanting "Peace! Unity! We are Venezuela! Politicians go away! We are the real Venezuela!" In one particularly moving part of the footage, Soriano and a member of the opposing team trade a baseball hat for a Chavez-party red beret.

In one hour this sharply divided group of strangers accomplished more than the high-level negotiation team that seeks to defuse a potential civil war. Chavez was reportedly furious with the televised soccer match and even angrier that the reconciliation was a product of the efforts of one of his supporters. Soriano was declared an enemy of the revolution.

Last week Soriano organized another soccer match. On Wednesday he visited the Universidad Central de Venezuela, the main university in the capital, to attend a meeting of the student government. Violent clashes erupted as members of the Circulos Bolivarianos, an armed militia sworn to protect the revolution, began throwing rocks and tear gas grenades at the students. The militia identified Soriano and captured him. They then tied his hands and feet, lifted him up, and paraded him through the street like a sacrificial lamb chanting "Judas! Judas!" The entire spectacle was recorded by a cameraman who works for the official government television entity. Soriano was beaten so severely that he was left at the hospital emergency room. At the hospital he was detained by the DISIP, Chavez's secret police, and taken to their headquarters for questioning.
During his interrogation, fingernails in his left hand were torn out. After being further tortured and injected with drugs, the secret police took him into the bowels of the building and placed him in a cell. His cellmate: Joao de Gouveia.
Gouveia has the keys to the cell and comes in and out of the secret police headquarters at will. His only restriction is that he must sleep in the precinct, lest Chavez's police are revealed as allowing a confessed killer to roam free. Soriano's mother (who is also a Chavez supporter) tearfully claimed that Gouveia sodomized Soriano and beat him with such force that Soriano cannot open his eyes.

Soriano was released last Friday afternoon after Roy Chaderton advised Chavez that the case could filter out of Venezuela and could become a "human-interest story" with the potential to derail their PR campaign.

The government denied that Soriano had been mistreated. A thorough medical examination by a civil surgeon reveals that, beyond lacerations, severe bruising, and cracked ribs, Soriano had been repeatedly raped while in custody. His right arm shows that he has been injected. Nails are missing from his left hand. Soriano's internal organs have been crushed to the point that he urinates blood, and he cannot walk without assistance.

Once the medical report was made public, the secret police immediately began saying that Soriano was a member of a "right-wing paramilitary organization." This tactic, engineered by Chaderton, is used frequently to disqualify and discount opponents of the regime. All enemies of the
"revolution" are coup plotters and fascists. The government now circulates a photo of Soriano in military fatigues. Carlos Roa, Soriano's attorney, showed me that the picture is a yearbook photo from when he was a schoolboy in military academy.

Although it was obvious that Soriano had been tortured, Iris Varela, a Chavez congressional representative, offered no apologies: "I am glad they did this to him. He deserved it." That such savage treatment is what greets government supporters who seek a peaceful resolution to the current crisis speaks volumes about Chavez's ultimate intentions. Soriano, now recuperating at home, must wonder why he ever supported the Chavez regime.

Just the tip of the iceberg...dman

[bendog]

He's only offered help to Americans to embarrass bushii. Chavez may very well intend to try to help the poor in Venezuela, where the elite (included Jeb) have fiestaed for decades, but so far I haven't seen him accomplishing much. I suspect he's really in it for the power and perks. I doubt the House of Saud was amused with his "buddies with Carlos" comments.

[defenseman]

He's only offered help to Americans to embarrass bushii. Chavez may very well intend to try to help the poor in Venezuela, where the elite (included Jeb) have fiestaed for decades, but so far I haven't seen him accomplishing much. I suspect he's really in it for the power and perks. I doubt the House of Saud was amused with his "buddies with Carlos" comments.

Ultimately, his final goal is not democracy of any sort. Castro is a pretty good example of what he will evolve into, however with even more of an anti-ameican agenda..dman

[bendog]

Well, Castro really has done a lot for the average Cuban. They've gone from being virtual serfs to universal literacy and universal healthcare. I've no doubt that he enjoys maj support. If the cubans choose to portray human rights also in terms of social reform like land reform, that's their right. I really doubt Chavez will, or even intends, to help the maj of Venezuelans.

[defenseman]

Well, Castro really has done a lot for the average Cuban. They've gone from being virtual serfs to universal literacy and universal healthcare. I've no doubt that he enjoys maj support. If the cubans choose to portray human rights also in terms of social reform like land reform, that's their right. I really doubt Chavez will, or even intends, to help the maj of Venezuelans.

He's tossing smoke bombs , and pissing down backs...dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

VENEZUELA IS NOW an abyss where there is no rule of law................................

Plagiarizing (see definition below) a Daily Standard article hardly qualifies on what's going on in Venezuela but does speak on how you present "your facts".

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plagiarize
transitive senses : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

[defenseman]

Plagiarizing (see definition below) a Daily Standard article hardly qualifies on what's going on in Venezuela but does speak on how you present "your facts".

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plagiarize
transitive senses : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive senses : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source

anybody else can quote an article out of any media source and it's not plagerizing except when I do it? Is that what you are telling me? You really must target those that EXIST by posting articles. LABF , yourself on many occassions. ON and on...if you can post an article, then I am certianly MORE than allowed to do the same as you and the rest. Plagerizing has nothing to do with it. It's an article. Didn't put the URL, well excuse the hell out of me. You can be incredulously hypocritical, and very annoying with your accusations. Wasting my time with you..dman

[bendog]

btw, just to clarify, I'm not saying Castro is such a great guy. I'm trying to say that trying to understand the pt of view of an average Cuban - who was essentially a farm animal under Batista and the other tin horn dictators we supported over time - from where I sit is impossible. I've never been oppressed, aside from having asshole bosses from time to time, and all in all I live a pretty privileged life. I really don't understand sunni insurgents either, for that matter.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

anybody else can quote an article out of any media source and it's not plagerizing except when I do it? Is that what you are telling me? You really must target those that EXIST by posting articles. LABF , yourself on many occassions. ON and on...if you can post an article, then I am certianly MORE than allowed to do the same as you and the rest. Plagerizing has nothing to do with it. It's an article. Didn't put the URL, well excuse the hell out of me. You can be incredulously hypocritical, and very annoying with your accusations. Wasting my time with you..dman
I even posted the definition of the word "plagiarizing" and you still don't get it?