SI: Forget these overhyped teams...

[Taco John]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jeffri_chadiha/05/31/no.superbowl/index.html
Forget These Five
It's not too early to discount some overhyped teams

With my fellow scribes announcing their Super Bowl picks earlier and earlier, I'm taking a different tack: I'll tell you which five teams won't be there. I'm not talking about the easy picks, either. There won't be any 49ers, Packers, Texans or Raiders on this list. Instead, I'm going after those teams that have enough talent to possibly grace NFL-preview magazine covers but also have enough problems to leave their fans disappointed.

If I'm wrong about this, you can shoot me an angry e-mail. Until then, I've got a pretty bad feeling about these five teams.

1. Miami: The Dolphins will be a popular pick to win the AFC East for those who only look at how Miami finished 2005. Yes, coach Nick Saban did lead his team to six straight wins after a 3-7 start. But that run also included five victories against teams that didn't make the playoffs -- Oakland, Buffalo, San Diego, the New York Jets and Tennessee -- and a sixth win against a New England team resting its starters for the playoffs. The main question here is whether quarterback Daunte Culpepper can regain his Pro Bowl form. If he can't, then these Dolphins remind me of last season's Buffalo Bills, a team that rode into the year with a wave of high expectations and flopped under the pressure.

2. Philadelphia: If I'm an Eagles fan, I have some major concerns about this offense. It's starting to look a lot like it did back in the days before Terrell Owens blew into town. There isn't a receiver who really scares a defense. The running game isn't intimidating either, not when Brian Westbrook will be splitting carries with Ryan Moats and the oft-injured Correll Buckhalter. Even with a healthy Donovan McNabb back at quarterback, there are plenty of reasons to think that the best days of this perennial NFC contender have passed. One look at the competition in the NFC East -- where Washington, Dallas and the New York Giants have improved -- should cement that opinion.


3. Kansas City: This team could fall apart at any moment. First, they're old: A handful of key offensive starters are in their mid-30s, including quarterback Trent Green, Pro Bowl linemen Willie Roaf and Will Shields and leading receiver Eddie Kennison.
They're also playing with most of the same defensive personnel that finished 25th overall last season. Unless the Chiefs do the logical thing and sign free-agent cornerback Ty Law, there's no reason to think this season will end any differently than the last.

4. San Diego: Another AFC West team that hasn't done much to improve this offseason. I won't believe that Philip Rivers is a better quarterback than Drew Brees until I see him play in a Pro Bowl. I also can't understand how a team so desperate for a reliable receiver to take some pressure off Keenan McCardell pulls off such a weak trade. The Chargers ended up with Rashaun Woods, a first-round bust with the 49ers who couldn't find a role on that offensively challenged team. Tight end Antonio Gates is a great player, but he's not going to keep the passing game from being San Diego's downfall.

5. Minnesota: As much as I like new head coach Brad Childress, I have to question his personnel on offense. He needs Chester Taylor -- or someone else -- to prove the running game will be reliable. He needs Troy Williamson, last year's first-round pick, to mature into a legitimate big-play threat at receiver, especially now that Nate Burleson has moved on to Seattle. He also needs quarterback Brad Johnson, who turns 38 this season, to prove that he's still effective. Those are a lot of needs for a team that finished with a flourish in 2005 (the Vikings won seven of their final nine). It's unlikely that it'll find answers to all of them.

[Old Dude]

Is anyone even bothering to hype the Chiefs this year?

Surely, they've learned their lesson by now.

[OrangeShadow]

i think rivers will suprise a lot of people,i really do

[Mile High Shack]

Is anyone even bothering to hype the Chiefs this year?

Surely, they've learned their lesson by now.

oh
I've seen a few people pick them to win the AFC West

[Mile High Shack]

i think rivers will suprise a lot of people,i really do

based on what evidence?

[Pezman]

Lets face it, the trendy pick nationally will be in Miami. And of course, with a weakened East lineup this year, they very well could breakthrough as long as they continue to develop that offense. They are certainly loaded with some big names at the star positions going into camp.

As for KC and Diego are concerned, I just dont see the talent fall-off happening in KC this year. They have practically nowhere to go but up on the defense and their offense could put a hayseed from the sticks at wideout and still get good offensive production. Trent Green will continue to be a ho-hum qb set in a system, but I truly believe that if he went down, that offense would survive just fine. Now if one of their o-linemen went down, that's another matter altogether.

SD is another matter. They have been a perennial creampuff at the wideout spot since before the David Boston fiasco a couple of years ago. Sure they have a legit TE threat, but even KC has Quitterson to take pressure off of theif star tight end. McCardell wouldnt be a #1 reciever in practically any other club IMO and that will be their biggest problem when they are looking to alleviate the pressure off of their new QB.

[Garcia Bronco]

wtf is this guy talking about...KC finshed 10-6...a couple of plays here and there and they could have maxed out at 12-4

[Kaylore]

based on what evidence?
On the magical sparkly kind from the land of make-believe.

[Garcia Bronco]

based on what evidence?


Seriously...he took every snap for 4 years at NCS. He's already got a bunch of experience compared to some of his contempts..

[ludo21]

KC will be better this year. (on defense) Actually for once their O is what could be a weaker link (IF) the OL detoriates like i think it will and has.

LJ may churn out 1k, but he wont get it as easy as last year.

The Chargers will be up there, but w/ Rivers at the helm, they wont make the playoffs this year.

[Jason in LA]

The Dolphins are this year's Raiders/Vikings.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Truly i believe the most overhyped teams right now are New England, Pittsburg and Cincinatti

New England needs to rebuild, they lost a lot of parts and are not even going to make the playoffs

Pittsburg no longer has there huge red zone weapon Jerome Bettis and without him they also don't have the win it for the Bus inspiration

Cincinatti could actually be good if Carson Palmer makes it back and plays all 16 games like he did last season. But for him to do that he would need a miracle and he would break laws of medical science.

The 1 team that once again is flying under the radar is Denver.

[12th man]

Finally, an article with good sense in it. unlike peter king saying Miami and sandiego will be one of the best teams, and he leaves the broncos out.

[azbroncfan]

It's all speculation now, know person really knows how injuries bad or good play, predicting the bounces will go.

[watermock]

I don't know how good it is...first they hype teams and when they all look like idiots, they do the classic about face. We didn't make the hype, the media did...it's not our fault most of them are regurgitating morons.

Earth to SI...Philly got to the NFL championship consistently but tried to get over the top. So why does kicking TO to the curb change anything?

I don't hear anyone hyping Minnesota this year. It's in a complete meltdown.

Miami? Why should they be expected to contend when Saban had to totally redo that idiot Wanny's destruction. That guy can't coach a college team. In his first year, he's turned the team around. Let's not get carried away. Saban is all about winning. He doesn't have the luxury to take in girl scouts, he will win. Just give him some time...sheesh...I'm not a Miami fan, but they made serious strides, but that's all you can say. Saban didn't make up the easy schedule, Wanny did.

I don't see KC being hyped by anyone but morons honestly. New coach that led the Jests to 5-11 and they lost their coordinator. None of their FA defensive picks have stood out. Priest Holmes is in his twilight. I don't see how anyone but a Chef Homer would think their offense will be the same under Herm. If anyone is hyped, it's Herm Edwards.

San Diego has a rookie QB and zero at WR, are they seriously hyped?

The consensus is that KC, Philly, and Minny especially are on the downside. SD is where they were, and Miami is on the upswing, which isn't that hard. Saban would of been my first choice if Shanahan left, and I said that here several times.

[ZachKC]

wtf is this guy talking about...KC finshed 10-6...a couple of plays here and there and they could have maxed out at 12-4
Even though you can say this about a lot of NFL teams if not all...a few plays here and a few plays there makes your record a lot different I really think that sticks to the Chiefs.

KC's problem is consistancy...they just fall into these lapses...the defense more so than the offense but the offense isn't immune. If they play at the level they are able to without these lulls they are a very very hard team to beat.

I really look forward to this season.

[ZachKC]

It's all speculation now, know person really knows how injuries bad or good play, predicting the bounces will go.
Thanks for setting everyone straight. I thought I was looking at empirical evidence.

[ZachKC]

In other news, the media hates the Broncos.

[Old Dude]

... I just dont see the talent fall-off happening in KC this year. They have practically nowhere to go but up on the defense and their offense could put a hayseed from the sticks at wideout and still get good offensive production. Trent Green will continue to be a ho-hum qb set in a system, but I truly believe that if he went down, that offense would survive just fine. Now if one of their o-linemen went down, that's another matter altogether.
...


But I think that's the whole point Pez. That offensive line is ancient. Shields will be 35 in September. Roaf just turned 36. They barely made it out of camp last year. The Chiefs did get Roaf back on track around mid-season (after missing six games), and the production took off again, but if he goes down again, I don't think he'll get back up. Ditto for Shields, who already suffers from severe arthritis. It's a long, grueling season, and as the years pile on, it gets worse all the time.

[SportinOne]

i think rivers will suprise a lot of people,i really do

After the past couple months of counting on the Chargers to stink it up this season, i've come to terms with the fact that they could be dangerous. Phillp Rivers was his draft's Jay Cutler, pretty much. Manning (Leinart) was hyped but many said that Rivers might end up being the best. And it's not like Rivers is a rookie. He lacks game experience but if he is the player they drafted him to be, then he will get it going at some point.

[kmartin575]

For KC to be overhyped they would have to be hyped in the first place and they're not. I'm fine with that though. If they have a bad season, no big deal. However, if they have a good season it will surprise everybody.

[NOLA Bronco]

For KC to be overhyped they would have to be hyped in the first place and they're not. I'm fine with that though. If they have a bad season, no big deal. However, if they have a good season it will surprise everybody.

Even their own coach.....

[Bob's your Information Minister]

3. Kansas City: This team could fall apart at any moment. First, they're old: A handful of key offensive starters are in their mid-30s, including quarterback Trent Green, Pro Bowl linemen Willie Roaf and Will Shields and leading receiver Eddie Kennison.
They're also playing with most of the same defensive personnel that finished 25th overall last season. Unless the Chiefs do the logical thing and sign free-agent cornerback Ty Law, there's no reason to think this season will end any differently than the last.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Offensively, I'm counting on some young guys to help offset those crusty old veterans (Samie Parker, Crap Thorpe and of course, Larry freakin' Johnson).

Defensively, Herm is going to make a huge difference, and we have alot of young players that are going to improve. I can't wait to see Derrick Johnson's second year.

[watermock]

After the past couple months of counting on the Chargers to stink it up this season, i've come to terms with the fact that they could be dangerous. Phillp Rivers was his draft's Jay Cutler, pretty much. Manning (Leinart) was hyped but many said that Rivers might end up being the best. And it's not like Rivers is a rookie. He lacks game experience but if he is the player they drafted him to be, then he will get it going at some point.

Rivers will be a fine player, better than either Young or Leinart. He has a 3/4 delivery but is also 6-5 235. He's also very accurate.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

As someone else noted...where is all the hype for KC?

[watermock]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Offensively, I'm counting on some young guys to help offset those crusty old veterans (Samie Parker, Crap Thorpe and of course, Larry freakin' Johnson).

Defensively, Herm is going to make a huge difference, and we have alot of young players that are going to improve. I can't wait to see Derrick Johnson's second year.

http://www.mattszabo.com/archives/Mult%20Box%20Needed%20-%20Baghdad%20Bob-thumb.jpg

"We are re-taking the AFC West at this very moment..."

[watermock]

Herm is going to make a huge difference, and we have alot of young players that are going to improve.

This is so comical. You should be on the History Channel Bob. By the time Hermes gets the D respectable, your offense will be pathetic. We all told you three years ago and you insisted the defense would be better. You haven't had a decent defense since Shottenheimer who we totally own. Just hold onto your home wins in December...oh wait...this year since the ice age we play KC early. Hey, you get to play your Superbowl early this year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You haven't had a decent defense since Shottenheimer

We were ranked 16th in scoring defense last year. That isn't decent?

[Taco John]

wtf is this guy talking about...KC finshed 10-6...a couple of plays here and there and they could have maxed out at 12-4



Or 8-8.

[BroncoBuff]

I think Cincy will be even better.

[Kaylore]

I think Cincy will be even better.
I'd love to see Palmer throw four TD's on the Steeler's.

[rbackfactory80]

Dante Culpepper will never win a super bowl.

[Northman]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Offensively, I'm counting on some young guys to help offset those crusty old veterans (Samie Parker, Crap Thorpe and of course, Larry freakin' Johnson).

Defensively, Herm is going to make a huge difference, and we have alot of young players that are going to improve. I can't wait to see Derrick Johnson's second year.


Dont you know by now BOOB that your the kiss of death for your team? You also said GOOONTHER was going to improve that team and look what happened. LOL

[Paladin]

There is no hype for KC. Nothing but contemp.

[ludo21]

Or 8-8.


Exactly, which is why that argument cant be used. Great point!

[ZachKC]

There is no hype for KC. Nothing but contemp.
Are officially out of the prediction business? Or do you still have your finger on the pulse of the KC sporting and voting culture?

I am not sure what is better...you posting bad predictions or you posting with substience like the ones above.

Either way you look like you don't know what you are talking about but I kind of enjoy you going out on a limb...your new schtick doesn't provide any of that. What a shame.

[ludo21]

I think Cincy will be even better.


IF Carson is back and ready to go, then definitely, they can only get better.

But with that highly unlikely, I just can see them doing well in 06.

[RaiderH8r]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Offensively, I'm counting on some young guys to help offset those crusty old veterans (Samie Parker, Crap Thorpe and of course, Larry freakin' Johnson).

Defensively, Herm is going to make a huge difference, and we have alot of young players that are going to improve. I can't wait to see Derrick Johnson's second year.
I thought you quit huffing paint.

When those "crusty old veterans" crap out and there's no blocking, Larry Johnson will be back to Pampers and Sperm will be thumbing through the Help Wanted section of the Star.

Derrick Johnson will be spending most of his time spotting burned out bulbs at stadiums across the nation.

[ZachKC]

Are officially out of the prediction business? Or do you still have your finger on the pulse of the KC sporting and voting culture?

I am not sure what is better...you posting bad predictions or you posting with substience like the ones above.

Either way you look like you don't know what you are talking about but I kind of enjoy you going out on a limb...your new schtick doesn't provide any of that. What a shame.
Works every time...ask Paladin to make a post with some form of content and he takes his broken record and goes home. :rofl:

[dbroncos31]

Pittsburg no longer has there huge red zone weapon Jerome Bettis and without him they also don't have the win it for the Bus inspiration

i agree, but I think that the losses of Chris Hope, Antwaan Randel El, and Kimo Von Olehoffen (sp) will hurt the Steelers much more than the loss of Bettis.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Dont you know by now BOOB that your the kiss of death for your team? You also said GOOONTHER was going to improve that team and look what happened. LOL

Well, we did go from 29th to 16th in scoring defense...but yeah, that's not much of an improvement.

[Paladin]

Zack, old boy, you and the other mullets are so predictable it is real boring to hear your pathetic grumblings for attention. Get lost.

Poor, poor mullets.

[youcandoit1687]

I thought you quit huffing paint.

When those "crusty old veterans" crap out and there's no blocking, Larry Johnson will be back to Pampers and Sperm will be thumbing through the Help Wanted section of the Star.

Derrick Johnson will be spending most of his time spotting burned out bulbs at stadiums across the nation.

ok im probly the only bronco here who will say this but:

i think larry johnson CAN get 1500 this year. defenses had time to plan for him last year and still couldnt stop him. the wear and tear factor just isnt there yet, hes still young. the problems i see are the receiving corps, tony gonzalez is getting old, trent ditto, eddie ditto. i dont see any receivers stepping up there. i say the Oline wil be fine for atleast the first 8, last 8, not sure.

*knock on wood and gag*if im a chief fan, my main concern is the oline. o and derrick johnson is a pretty good player too. u have some good johnsons on ur team

[Bob's your Information Minister]

i dont see any receivers stepping up there.

Samie Parker is ready to take his game to the next level this year. And I think you'll see some good things out of Craphonso Thorpe. Kennison will have another ho-hum year with 1100 yards.

[DomCasual]

Samie Parker is ready to take his game to the next level this year. And I think you'll see some good things out of Craphonso Thorpe. Kennison will have another ho-hum year with 1100 yards.
I predict he'll never amount to anything with a name like Craphonso. Seriously, his mom should be shot.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I predict he'll never amount to anything with a name like Craphonso. Seriously, his mom should be shot.

Should he bust out, I'm going to order a jersey that says CRAP on the back.

[DomCasual]

Should he bust out, I'm going to order a jersey that says CRAP on the back.
Nice. Ironically, I would bet it would be on the NFL's "don't-let-anyone-put-this-on-the-back-of-a-personalized-jersey" list.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Nice. Ironically, I would bet it would be on the NFL's "don't-let-anyone-put-this-on-the-back-of-a-personalized-jersey" list.

Damn. You are right. That sucks.

[youcandoit1687]

I predict he'll never amount to anything with a name like Craphonso. Seriously, his mom should be shot.

i second that. i mean what was his nick name. phonso i ges, craf, crafo, crap thorpe, crap throw. u must know more bout samie parker then i do cuz i sure havent seen it in the games we played him, games ive seen, SC highlights, fantasy radar, anything really.

[Clockwork Orange]

I predict he'll never amount to anything with a name like Craphonso. Seriously, his mom should be shot.

Don't forget about Terdell Sands and Harry Colon. Their parents had to have had it out for them.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

i second that. i mean what was his nick name. phonso i ges, craf, crafo, crap thorpe, crap throw. u must know more bout samie parker then i do cuz i sure havent seen it in the games we played him, games ive seen, SC highlights, fantasy radar, anything really.

Parker burned the Broncos for his first career touchdown as a rookie on a bomb in 2004. He only played in a few games that year as he was hurt in training camp.

Last year he started out slowly but had an excellent second half. He's got great speed and good hands. I see him as a Marvin Harrison clone.

[DomCasual]

Don't forget about Terdell Sands and Harry Colon. Their parents had to have had it out for them.
Harry Colon. I bet it was passive aggression from an unwanted pregnancy.

[Clockwork Orange]

I see him as a Marvin Harrison clone.

You're officially in full on homer mode.

What the hell, I'll do it too. I see Ashley Lelie as a Randy Moss clone.

:rofl:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You're officially in full on homer mode.

What the hell, I'll do it too. I see Ashley Lelie as a Randy Moss clone.

:rofl:
I'm just trying to give people a comparitive type of WR. Samie has the same body type and skills as Marvin, he just needs experience and seasoning.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm just trying to give people a comparitive type of WR. Samie has the same body type and skills as Marvin, he just needs experience and seasoning.

Lelie has a similar body type to Moss. Tall & lanky. All he's missing is the concentration, freakish athleticism and amazing hands that Moss has. I guess he just needs more experience and seasoning too.

Hate to break it to you, but Parker doesn't have the same skills as Marvin Harrison. Where you get the idea that the two are somehow comparable is beyond me. If he had those skills he'd be your #1 receiver hands down. He'd be the #1 receiver on a lot of teams if he had Harrison type skills.

God I hate the offseason.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Hate to break it to you, but Parker doesn't have the same skills as Marvin Harrison.

Really? What does Marvin have that Parker doesn't? They are comparable in speed and size.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I guess he just needs more experience and seasoning too.


The difference is that Lelie has had the opportunity and blew it.

Parker's opportunities are ahead of him. I didn't say he WOULD be the next Marvin Harrison, I just compared him to him.

We'll see what Samie does with his opportunities this year and next.

[DomCasual]

Really? What does Marvin have that Parker doesn't? They are comparable in speed and size.
Dude, come on! You're a sort of smart guy - you can't be serious! What Marvin Harrison has that Samie Parker doesn't is 882 catches and 106 TDs.

Seriously, by your logic, there would have been about 50 guys at the scouting combine this year that will end up in the Hall of Fame - based upon their size and speed comparables with current Hall of Famers.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Dude, come on! You're a sort of smart guy - you can't be serious! What Marvin Harrison has that Samie Parker doesn't is 882 catches and 106 TDs.
Exactly. Samie Parker isn't as good as Marvin Harrison. Not even close. I never said he was!!!


Seriously, by your logic, there would have been about 50 guys at the scouting combine this year that will end up in the Hall of Fame - based upon their size and speed comparables with current Hall of Famers.
There were 50 guys that ran a 4.27?

I'm just using Harrison as a comparison. You could just as easily compare him to another speedy WR that has the same kind of skills...maybe Terry Glenn, for instance.

[Clockwork Orange]

Really? What does Marvin have that Parker doesn't?

927 receptions
12,331 yards
110 TD's
7 straight 1000+ yard seasons
7 straight 10+ TD seasons
7 Pro Bowls
League leader in receptions twice
League leader in receiving yards twice
League leader in TD receptions once

Other than that, not much.

[DomCasual]

Exactly. Samie Parker isn't as good as Marvin Harrison. Not even close. I never said he was!!!



There were 50 guys that ran a 4.27?
No. But if you take the size and speed of every player in the HOF in their prime, I would bet that you'll find at least 50 players in this year's scouting combine that compare. The difference is that most of them will be nobodies in the NFL, because it takes more than size and speed to succeed.

And your exact words were "Really? What does Marvin have that Parker doesn't?" That's the kind of thing that will end up in someone's signature at some point.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

OK just to show you I'm fair...I'll compare Jay Cutler to John Elway...same type of physical skills, right? Or Brett Favre...whichever. That was the kind of comparison I was drawing.

[Clockwork Orange]

OK just to show you I'm fair...I'll compare Jay Cutler to John Elway...same type of physical skills, right? Or Brett Favre...whichever. That was the kind of comparison I was drawing.

You should distinguish that a bit better. You said "he has Marvin Harrison skills."

Very few have Marvin Harrison skills.

[kmartin575]

You should distinguish that a bit better. You said "he has Marvin Harrison skills."

Very few have Marvin Harrison skills.

Marvin Harrison is not really all that talented, at least compared to guys like Randy Moss or TO. Marvin Harrison is kind of like Rod Smith. Neither one is the most talented player at there position but they both have the will and drive to succeed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Harrison is a bad player. I'm just saying that if he relied on his athleticism alone he would not be all that great. The best thing he has going for himself is his consistency and football intelligence. Put Marvin Harrison's brain into Terrell Owen's body and you have a wide receiver that no defensive back could ever stop.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Boy kmartin nailed it. Is there any real physical difference between Terry Glenn and Marvin Harrison? It's all about the six inches between your breastbone and your backbone.

[Clockwork Orange]

Boy kmartin nailed it. Is there any real physical difference between Terry Glenn and Marvin Harrison? It's all about the six inches between your breastbone and your backbone.

That's part of it, but so is what they've got between the ears. It's not exactly a stretch to say that Marvin Harrison's football IQ is a shade higher than Terry Glenn's. I'd say he has better hands too. And better concentration. And he's a better route runner.

Heart means something, but it isn't everything. Talent, be it the amount a player is born with or the amount they develop through hard work, is a factor too.

[Rausch]

That's part of it, but so is what they've got between the ears. It's not exactly a stretch to say that Marvin Harrison's football IQ is a shade higher than Terry Glenn's. I'd say he has better hands too. And better concentration. And he's a better route runner.

Heart means something, but it isn't everything. Talent, be it the amount a player is born with or the amount they develop through hard work, is a factor too.

How would you feel about Harrison in KC?

Mandy Ross?

Exactly.

I'll take the next Jerry Rice (Harrison) over the next Michael Irvin (Moss) anyday...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'd say he has better hands too. And better concentration. And he's a better route runner.
.

All of which can be developed through hard work...that is my feeling.

[Clockwork Orange]

All of which can be developed through hard work...that is my feeling.

Of course, but every player has a ceiling. No one's potential is unlimited. Even if Ashley Lelie had Rod Smith's work ethic, he'd still likely never reach the level of Randy Moss.

[Florida_Bronco]

Of course, but every player has a ceiling. No one's potential is unlimited. Even if Ashley Lelie had Rod Smith's work ethic, he'd still likely never reach the level of Randy Moss.

Can you imagine Randy Moss with Rod Smith's heart and work ethic? That would be un-freaking-real.

[Atlas]

Yes, well we already knew the Chefs, and Chuggers were overrated and well, the Faiders aren't even good enough to mention. The Broncos will sail through the AFC West next year. It's going to be great coming into the Mane about week 12 and not see troll one!!!!

[azbroncfan]

I'm just trying to give people a comparitive type of WR. Samie has the same body type and skills as Marvin, he just needs experience and seasoning.
And he will still never even be close to the same WR as marvin harrison. This is probably one of the biggest homer statements I've ever heard. There is a reason harrison was a first round pick and parker wasn't. Talent level is a huge gap between the two.

[watermock]

We were ranked 16th in scoring defense last year. That isn't decent?

No, it's mediocre. The fact of the matter is you had limited success in FA and now your offense is yet another year older. It's totally problematic if Herm Edwards can produce points like Vermeil and Al Saunders as well.