From The People Who Brought You "My Head Hurts," I Need Advice For A Date Tonight!

[RhymesayersDU]

So I've got dinner reservations downtown at 7:15. Then I want to see x-men, at 9:45 or 10:30... now I've never used fandango, but I was thinking I should because it's opening weekend, a saturday night, downtown, etc.

The question is this... do i:
a) Buy 9:45 tix
b) Buy 10:30 tix
c) Just try and get tix at the box office

The issue is, this restaurant is going to be busy, it's a saturday night... so no guarantees we're going to be able to sit immediately. Plus, it's gunna take the waiter longer to get us, food longer to get there, etc.

So, if you were taking out a girl, or if you were Bob taking out Chewbaca for a nice romantic dinner, what would you do?

Before anybody replies, I'm taking out a girl and she's not fat. So you smartasses (and you know who you are!) can save your "So what's his name" and "Stop plowing fatties" comments! :)

[Tredici]

I like buying tickets online.

What restaurant?

[Spider]

Dont spend over 50 bucks unless she puts out ;D

[SoCalBronco]

Take the safer route: the 10:30 tickets. You dont want to ruin your dinner with her worrying about when your going to get seated and when you should get up and go.

[DomCasual]

Does your date want to see X-Men?

[RhymesayersDU]

I like buying tickets online.

What restaurant?
Maggiano's!

And Spider, thanks for the sound advice. I'm pretty sure I'm getting some tonight.

And word SoCal, that's what I was thinking.

[scorpio]

9:45 tix

[Tredici]

Maggiano's!

And Spider, thanks for the sound advice. I'm pretty sure I'm getting some tonight.

And word SoCal, that's what I was thinking.

Ah. So dinner and a movie at Pavilions. You could just go purchase your tickets prior to dinner then. Hey - have you ever gone to the Bowling Alley there? I love that place. Excellent place to watch sports. And the restaurant there is surprisingly good. One of the better kept secrets downtown. And there might be a hockey game on tonight. Wouldn't that be better than Xmen?

[RhymesayersDU]

Ah. So dinner and a movie at Pavilions. You could just go purchase your tickets prior to dinner then. Hey - have you ever gone to the Bowling Alley there? I love that place. Excellent place to watch sports. And the restaurant there is surprisingly good. One of the better kept secrets downtown. And there might be a hockey game on tonight. Wouldn't that be better than Xmen?
I have never been to the bowling alley, no... But that's not a bad idea, stopping at the theatre first. I'm thinking this is going to end up being a play it by ear deal. I guess if worst comes to worst we can go to dave & busters or something.

[manchambo]

Does your date want to see X-Men?

I think that's a very good question. That wouldn't be number one on my list of movies to take a date to.

[watermock]

When you pick her up grab her crotch to show you mean business.

[KillerBronco#76]

Dont spend over 50 bucks unless she puts out ;D

haha quoted for truth, and the fact that its a great rule

[shakenbake]

Does your date want to see X-Men?

I think this is a good question. Personally, I don't really like the movie date as a first date. You don't really get to talk to the person. Now if you've been out with her before the movie date is cool. My favorite date is a baseball game. Really you can't beat it. Get to chill out watch some baseball drink a little beer eat a hot dog. I would even do the bowling before I did the movie for a frist date.

If your set on the movie. I have used fandango and its the way to go. Just show up with the card you bought the tickets with and your good to go. Use it all the time.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Go to the movie first.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Don't wear that stupid white hat.

[Jason in LA]

Dont spend over 50 bucks unless she puts out ;D

I go by the $40 rule, especially for woman that hasn't put out yet. In most cases it doesn't matter how much you spend. You can spend $200 on a woman, that doesn't mean she's going to sleep with you. If a woman is into you like that, you can spend less than $40 and get some. If she's not into you like that, it doesn't matter how much you spend, you probably aren't going to get any.

It's not hard to spend less than $40 on a date. Even at a nice resturant. Even a nice places you can get a meal for well less than $20 each. Don't plan on other activities that cost money.

One trick that works for me is that I tell a woman that I have to work that day, shooting some type of event, which is true sometimes. I may have to shoot a wedding, or a party. I'll tell a woman I'll pick her up after I'm done working, which would be around 9 pm. We'll go some place nice to eat. I'll play if off like I had a big meal at the event that I shot, so I'm just going to order something light. She's not going to order more than I order. So the cost is kept down. That means more money to be spent on drinks. Works everytime.

The only time I spend a lot of money on a woman is if I've been out with her a number of times. By that point she's earned it. But if I'm on a first date, why am I spending a lot of money on somebody that I don't know? That doesn't make sense, and it doesn't improve your chances in any way. Some woman see it as a turn off, because they think that you are trying to buy them.

As for the question, if this was a first date, I wouldn't do dinner and a movie, especially if you are paying. Do dinner then find something that the two of you can do where you can talk. Good conversation is the key. Chances are, after a full meal, and then sitting in a dark room for two hours, she's pretty much done after that. That's a big mood killer.

[Spider]

I remeber when a took my wife out on a romantic date , cleaned up my old pick up , drove her to McDonalds and told her she could super size ....... now a man cant love a woman more then that ;D

[SoCalBronco]

I remeber when a took my wife out on a romantic date , cleaned up my old pick up , drove her to McDonalds and told her she could super size ....... now a man cant love a woman more then that ;D

Damn right bro.

[RhymesayersDU]

I go by the $40 rule, especially for woman that hasn't put out yet. In most cases it doesn't matter how much you spend. You can spend $200 on a woman, that doesn't mean she's going to sleep with you. If a woman is into you like that, you can spend less than $40 and get some. If she's not into you like that, it doesn't matter how much you spend, you probably aren't going to get any.

It's not hard to spend less than $40 on a date. Even at a nice resturant. Even a nice places you can get a meal for well less than $20 each. Don't plan on other activities that cost money.

One trick that works for me is that I tell a woman that I have to work that day, shooting some type of event, which is true sometimes. I may have to shoot a wedding, or a party. I'll tell a woman I'll pick her up after I'm done working, which would be around 9 pm. We'll go some place nice to eat. I'll play if off like I had a big meal at the event that I shot, so I'm just going to order something light. She's not going to order more than I order. So the cost is kept down. That means more money to be spent on drinks. Works everytime.

The only time I spend a lot of money on a woman is if I've been out with her a number of times. By that point she's earned it. But if I'm on a first date, why am I spending a lot of money on somebody that I don't know? That doesn't make sense, and it doesn't improve your chances in any way. Some woman see it as a turn off, because they think that you are trying to buy them.

As for the question, if this was a first date, I wouldn't do dinner and a movie, especially if you are paying. Do dinner then find something that the two of you can do where you can talk. Good conversation is the key. Chances are, after a full meal, and then sitting in a dark room for two hours, she's pretty much done after that. That's a big mood killer.
I normally don't do dinner and a movie, but we've been friends first, we hooked up on Thursday after getting hammered @ this place called Hemingway's, etc. So we know each other. But a lot of sound advice coming from the Left Coast, good stuff.

[RhymesayersDU]

I think this is a good question. Personally, I don't really like the movie date as a first date. You don't really get to talk to the person. Now if you've been out with her before the movie date is cool. My favorite date is a baseball game. Really you can't beat it. Get to chill out watch some baseball drink a little beer eat a hot dog. I would even do the bowling before I did the movie for a frist date.

If your set on the movie. I have used fandango and its the way to go. Just show up with the card you bought the tickets with and your good to go. Use it all the time.
I want to do Fandango, but the issue is picking the right movie time. If I pick the wrong time, it's a waste of money.

If it's sold out so be it, I'm gunna wait until we finish dinner to go upstairs and work out the details of the movie.

[Spider]

Man do I miss drive in Movies ............great place to take a date ....... I wish they would come back in style

[Jason in LA]

Go to the movie first.

On a movie date, you should see the movie first. Not because of the time issue. But because food, then a dark room for 2 hours, will put anybody nearly to sleep.

[Jason in LA]

I normally don't do dinner and a movie, but we've been friends first, we hooked up on Thursday after getting hammered @ this place called Hemingway's, etc. So we know each other. But a lot of sound advice coming from the Left Coast, good stuff.

Well, since you've already hooked up with her, you can spend a little bit more on her. She's earned it.

[Nuggets4]

Rhyme, seriously, you're asking an internet forum for dating advice? Did you not see the reaction that a picture with any woman in it got in the picture thread?

[elsid13]

Depend on how well you know the young lady, I say screw the movie and go someplace where you can talk, and have fun (think miniature golf). Sitting in dark room, not talking, surround by strangers is not romantic event to most folks.

[CHANGSTER]

Stop plowing fatties


I'm bad at following directions.

[RhymesayersDU]

Rhyme, seriously, you're asking an internet forum for dating advice? Did you not see the reaction that a picture with any woman in it got in the picture thread?
Well I was hoping mock would come in with his always Sage-like advice, you know.

But seriously, there are some players around these parts I think. I bet Jason and -Slap- are just oozing with game, seriously.

[Jason in LA]

I get my fair share. No more, no less. I'm more concerned about avoiding getting screwed over. Too many men think with the wrong head and get ran over. I think with both heads. ;D

[-Slap-]

Well I was hoping mock would come in with his always Sage-like advice, you know.

But seriously, there are some players around these parts I think. I bet Jason and -Slap- are just oozing with game, seriously.
I just try to be myself. I would never call myself a player, but I'm definitely a man who loves women. I find everything about them interesting and the older I get, the more I feel that way.

[Crushaholic]

You might want to realize that X-Men is being soundly beaten to a pulp here on the Mane...

[Jason in LA]

So how'd the date go? Don't really want to hear about the movie. Give us the good stuff.:twokisses

[Orange_Beard]

So how'd the date go? Don't really want to hear about the movie. Give us the good stuff.:twokisses

I second that.

[RhymesayersDU]

I got some action, so everything was justified. She spent the night. Dinner was delicious.

And X-Men was bad ass too. I don't understand why everybody is bashing it. Both me and my date left it thoroughly entertained and happy. I haven't read any specific reviews on it, just heard that it's generally getting a thumb's down... I need to read some reviews to see what the beef is with that movie.

Jean Grey is wicked hot too.

[Tredici]

Glad your head didn't explode.

[Jason in LA]

:thumbsup: !Booya! :wiggle: :pimp: :yayaya: :militia:

[Jason in LA]

:worthless

[Meck77]

Rhyme, seriously, you're asking an internet forum for dating advice? Did you not see the reaction that a picture with any woman in it got in the picture thread?
LOL LOL LOL

My advice.......forget the movie idea DU. I can't think of a better way to ignore someone for 2-3 hrs especially someone you just started dating.

[CUBuffman08]

Jean Grey is wicked hot too.
yeah, in Rounders...

[SportinOne]

I had a date yesterday with this Filipino girl. Thai restaurant for lunch, and then went out to Balboa Park here in San Diego.

Mood was right, conversation was great.. but i made one fatal mistake..

Never schedule a date at 1pm, even a first date... your chances of getting any are pretty much out the window.

It's okay, there will be a round 2. For some of you, there might not be.. don't do it, 7pm or later and you're golden.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Never schedule a date at 1pm, even a first date... your chances of getting any are pretty much out the window.


Maybe you should just try to get to know someone first before you break your dick off in their ass. Ever think of that?

[Mr. Trout]

fattie patties rule!!

[Mr. Trout]

So how big was she..a deuce or deuce and a half?

[freak6]

I normally don't do dinner and a movie, but we've been friends first, we hooked up on Thursday after getting hammered @ this place called Hemingway's, etc. So we know each other. But a lot of sound advice coming from the Left Coast, good stuff.

Hemingway's is the spot on thursdays, used to see forsberg in there too. Quality girls there. Rhyme, I'm coming into town in July, we should meet up for drinks and chase some tail bro.

[freak6]

I had a date yesterday with this Filipino girl. Thai restaurant for lunch, and then went out to Balboa Park here in San Diego.



Champ, hit up the Cove at night in La Jolla for guaranteed play next time. Never fails.

[SportinOne]

Maybe you should just try to get to know someone first before you break your dick off in their ass. Ever think of that?

i know you weren't expecting a "real" response to this comment.. but i'll give you one anyway... i can tell pretty much as soon as i meet a girl if she is the type i want to "get to know" or not. This isn't one of those girls...

Freak, i've been to the cove but only during the day... are you talking about bringing a date there or finding a "date" there.

[broncocalijohn]

Dont spend over 50 bucks unless she puts out ;D

filling her up with food then let her rot in a comfy seat for 2 hours? U arent getting laid. She will be tired and have gas. This date smells of over spending and getting very little in return. Update? I would eat at home, get drinks b4 the movie then get her to drink some more. Hopefully at her pad where the booze is cheaper and you are already where u want to be.... feet away from the bedroom. If she has more than 2 cats (i prefer zero), run for the hills! And never do these lunch time dates with someone who you barely know or trying to score with cause nooners arent for first time. You need a alcohol to finish the deal and noon time isnt a big drinking hour unless she is an alcoholic and after you get some take the over 2 cat advice!

[BroncoBuff]

I'm too late to help ... but Fandango.com is very cool.

[freak6]

Freak, i've been to the cove but only during the day... are you talking about bringing a date there or finding a "date" there.

Definitely take a date there at night. That beach is pretty much empty at night, does the job getting the girls all hyped up, it's a wrap after that.

Finding a date, that's at Pacific Beach where'll I'll be July 4th!!! You know how it goes down there on the 4th...

(_ [ _)

[greatgooglymoogly]

My friends family owns hemmingways, GREAT place. Glad to hear the date went well Rhymes, maggiano's is the shiiiiiiit! Next time, if you're doing the whole movie and dinner thing in the pavillions area down there, you should swing across the street to the Paramount. PERFECT place to take a girl after a movie right there. Stiff drinks, outdoor seating, pool tables, pretty upbeat attitude with good looking people around.

Anyways, nicely done man

[Jason in LA]

Maybe you should just try to get to know someone first before you break your dick off in their ass. Ever think of that?

Wow, how did this post slip past the mods?

As for the advice, the game is to get some as soon as possible. If it's possible to get some on the first date, then you better get you some. I'm not saying that a woman has to put out on the first date. The chances of that aren't in our favor. But I'm not one for waiting too long. If it hasn't happened after a few dates then I'm dropping that chick out of the rotation and picking up somebody new.

[Jason in LA]

filling her up with food then let her rot in a comfy seat for 2 hours? U arent getting laid. She will be tired and have gas. This date smells of over spending and getting very little in return. Update? I would eat at home, get drinks b4 the movie then get her to drink some more. Hopefully at her pad where the booze is cheaper and you are already where u want to be.... feet away from the bedroom. If she has more than 2 cats (i prefer zero), run for the hills! And never do these lunch time dates with someone who you barely know or trying to score with cause nooners arent for first time. You need a alcohol to finish the deal and noon time isnt a big drinking hour unless she is an alcoholic and after you get some take the over 2 cat advice!

Ain't that the truth.
:thumbs:

[Jason in LA]

Definitely take a date there at night. That beach is pretty much empty at night, does the job getting the girls all hyped up, it's a wrap after that.

Finding a date, that's at Pacific Beach where'll I'll be July 4th!!! You know how it goes down there on the 4th...

(_ [ _)

Any place near an empty beach is perfect. Up here in LA, the beach at Marina Del Rey is totally empty at night, and it's pitch black. There are a few nice resturants and bars in the area, then it's too the beach.

Back in high school I went to that beach on a double date. Me and my girl didn't see or hear from the other couple. It's that dark.

Much better than trying to take a chick to Santa Monica, then going for a walk on the beach near the peir. I did that once, and we were walking past couples in sleeping bags. I didn't even attempt to get any at that beach.

[Victor]

Don't wear that stupid white hat.

Touche

[broncocalijohn]

Ain't that the truth.
:thumbs:

101

[Jason in LA]

101

I see you are a student. 8')


Rhyme, we are still waiting for those pictures.

[Sodak]

Go eat, then take her someplace romantic like five points :kiddingme and hit it like a cave man. :militia:

[sirhcyennek81]

My advice. Skip dinner and movie, head home, and **** until one of you passes out. THEN you can order take out, and watch a dvd in bed nekkid. Which leads to...more ****ing. Its a win win for everyone.

:Broncos:

[broncocalijohn]

I see you are a student. 8')


Rhyme, we are still waiting for those pictures.

Most of those ideas were before I started listening to the profesor years back. Most are the truth. I never had to experience the noon time lunch but it makes since not to do it. In high school (graduated in 88), I came up with a spending plan to keep a girl around. If she is costing you more money per lay on dates than what you can get from a hooker, then you dump her. The 3 date rule seemed too long for me. I had them in the sack that night I meet them or 1st official date. Rarely did it go 2 dates. The longest I waited from 24 to 27 years old was one month. I married her.

[smalltowngrll]

Most of those ideas were before I started listening to the profesor years back. Most are the truth. I never had to experience the noon time lunch but it makes since not to do it. In high school (graduated in 88), I came up with a spending plan to keep a girl around. If she is costing you more money per lay on dates than what you can get from a hooker, then you dump her. The 3 date rule seemed too long for me. I had them in the sack that night I meet them or 1st official date. Rarely did it go 2 dates. The longest I waited from 24 to 27 years old was one month. I married her.

She obviously played that one RIGHT! ;)

You guys have to realize, that a girl that really likes you, knows she can't just jump in the sack with you the first date...or second. We are constantly being told that we will lose your respect if we do that! So, if a woman jumps in the sack with you the first or second date, chances are, she's not looking for more than a fun time. So, if that's what your looking for....then you are both on the same page! But, if you are looking for something beyond a roll in the hay, don't expect it until about a month into the relationship. Sorry to be the spoiler of fun. Trust me, it's not that she doesn't WANT to....she just feels she CAN'T!

[Nuggets4]

You guys have to realize, that a girl that really likes you, knows she can't just jump in the sack with you the first date...or second.

And what you have to realize is that most of the "playas" on this site have never touched a woman.

[Jason in LA]

She obviously played that one RIGHT! ;)

You guys have to realize, that a girl that really likes you, knows she can't just jump in the sack with you the first date...or second. We are constantly being told that we will lose your respect if we do that! So, if a woman jumps in the sack with you the first or second date, chances are, she's not looking for more than a fun time. So, if that's what your looking for....then you are both on the same page! But, if you are looking for something beyond a roll in the hay, don't expect it until about a month into the relationship. Sorry to be the spoiler of fun. Trust me, it's not that she doesn't WANT to....she just feels she CAN'T!

Most single guys, who aren't looking for a relationship, are really looking to just get laid. Maybe it turns into something down the line. If not, who really cares.

At this point in life, I'm not looking for a relationship. At some point some chick will knock me off my feet and I'll settle down, but right now I'm just looking for fun. If a chick likes me, but then makes me wait, chances are I'm moving on. There are plenty of other chicks who aren't going to make me wait.

And I wouldn't want to be with a chick that makes me wait a long period of time. To me that tells me that she's the type of woman who will use sex to get her way. I don't need that hassle.

[broncocalijohn]

She obviously played that one RIGHT! ;)

You guys have to realize, that a girl that really likes you, knows she can't just jump in the sack with you the first date...or second. We are constantly being told that we will lose your respect if we do that! So, if a woman jumps in the sack with you the first or second date, chances are, she's not looking for more than a fun time. So, if that's what your looking for....then you are both on the same page! But, if you are looking for something beyond a roll in the hay, don't expect it until about a month into the relationship. Sorry to be the spoiler of fun. Trust me, it's not that she doesn't WANT to....she just feels she CAN'T!

I had no problem waiting (ok i did) but I respected her feelings and knew she wasnt a slut and hadnt had sex in a loooong time before I came along. It wasnt like she was playing hard to get, I knew the rules and it wasnt like a kiss at the end of the night and door slams. At the time I meet her, I was dating 2 others and after a weird experience with one at her house, I decided to end the single life (i was 27) and look for exclusively to this girl (that became my wife). I figured I had a good thing going and wasnt going to F it up based on not getting the putang. Glad I had no probelm as it was worth it in the long run. I still wouldnt mind the action on the 3rd date though LOL! STG, Your last line is sooo true. I dated a girl that ruined my streak at around 4 years when she waited about three weeks. After we were done (finally) she said that she wanted to since we meet but didnt think it was right. Of course I thought it would have been fine and save my nice streak going. WHat you say is most likely true. So does that mean nothing happened last week? I guess Ill tune into NPN to find out. Also, you meet my wife and probably will in AZ so mums the word on all this. Broncos fans only and she is just a part timer.As for Jason, you are on the right track. You know the rules.

[Jason in LA]

Like Leykis likes to say, you had somebody else doing the heavy lifting while you were waiting.

Just wondering, would you have waited if she was the only one that you were seeing at the time?

What if she had made you wait for a few months? Did you have a time frame when you would have said that you couldn't continue anymore?

Glad it worked out for you. I agree with a lot of what Leykis...to a point. He does go a bit too far to get his ratings. But I'd say that at some point I'd like to find that one and get married, even though he advices against it. But I'm playing by the rules to insure that when I do find the right one, it's done right. I don't want to go through a divorce.

[RhymesayersDU]

Why isn't this thread dead yet?

And damnit Jason, no pics. I'm sure you see enough fine ladies out in LA!

My favorite Leykis quote, about sex with condoms: "If the girl says she wants to feel you, it means she wants to feel your wallet for 18 years. So wrap it up."

But, in the thrilling conclusion to this story, I'm now dating said girl. Good times had by all.

And word to freak and the other guy who commented on Hemingway's. That place does indeed own on Thursday nights. $2 kamikazees = messed up quickly.

[Jason in LA]

This thread won't die because it's what people like the talk about.

Yeah, I check out a lot of chicks, but you are talking about one in paticular, and I'm interested. Come on man, post a pic. ;D

[Blueflame]

Most single guys, who aren't looking for a relationship, are really looking to just get laid. Maybe it turns into something down the line. If not, who really cares.

At this point in life, I'm not looking for a relationship. At some point some chick will knock me off my feet and I'll settle down, but right now I'm just looking for fun. If a chick likes me, but then makes me wait, chances are I'm moving on. There are plenty of other chicks who aren't going to make me wait.

And I wouldn't want to be with a chick that makes me wait a long period of time. To me that tells me that she's the type of woman who will use sex to get her way. I don't need that hassle.

If a girl falls into bed with you on the first date, chances are good she might do the same for any other guy, too. Do you really want an "anybody's girl" (all too often that's the term applied to a girl who's perceived as "too easy"... :()

Male-female relatonships (usually) follow a progression... first it's getting to know the other person, their background, beliefs, and values. Once the relationship goes into the physical realm, however, that aspect (physical gratification) often overshadows the interest in personalities... and it's very difficult (or feels "weird") to talk about basic "getting to know you" things once a couple has been physically intimate.

If you're dating purely for sex, there's an upside to simply seeking a "pro"... then you know there's a payoff, no further expectations, and no hurt feelings if you don't call her again.

[Jason in LA]

If a girl falls into bed with you on the first date, chances are good she might do the same for any other guy, too. Do you really want an "anybody's girl" (all too often that's the term applied to a girl who's perceived as "too easy"... :()



Yes, at this point in life, that's pretty much what I'm going after. And that's what many single guys are going after. Women don't seem to understand that. Most single guys aren't looking for miss right. They aren't thinking long term when they first start going out with a girl. I have no problem at all with a girl that gives it up within the first 3 dates. That's pretty much what I'm looking for. That's what most single guys are looking for. And there are more than enough girls out there who will give it up within the first 3 dates that there is no need to wait for a girl.

[Tredici]

[QUOTE=Blueflame]If a girl falls into bed with you on the first date, chances are good she might do the same for any other guy, too. Do you really want an "anybody's girl" (all too often that's the term applied to a girl who's perceived as "too easy"... :()

[QUOTE]

Or maybe she just feels like getting laid too and doesn't think any the worse of herself for it.

Of course it doesn't take the guy's opinion of what she is or isn't. Plenty of other women will do that.

Consenting adults? I don't care what they do, when, or how often. If you don't like how you feel about yourself regarding any experience, learn from it. But don't do or don't do anything based on someone else's opinion.

[Sean]

Or maybe she just feels like getting laid too and doesn't think any the worse of herself for it.

Of course it doesn't take the guy's opinion of what she is or isn't. Plenty of other women will do that.

Consenting adults? I don't care what they do, when, or how often. If you don't like how you feel about yourself regarding any experience, learn from it. But don't do or don't do anything based on someone else's opinion.


Hey! That's one of my lines.

"I won't be bound in my dating life by society's preconceived notions of right and wrong."

Hell, sometimes it even works!

[freak6]

"I won't be bound in my dating life by society's preconceived notions of right and wrong."



I'm using that one.

This one is cool too, I've used it, and it worked.

"You can make me wait a couple dates if you want, but were are gonna have sex eventually anyway, so why wait, you know you want to anyway"

[Sean]

I'm using that one.



Careful, I own the copyrights. You'll need to send $10 for each successful encounter.

Send to:

STD's (Sean's Terrific Datelines)
Boca Raton, FL

[broncocalijohn]

I'm using that one.

This one is cool too, I've used it, and it worked.

"You can make me wait a couple dates if you want, but were are gonna have sex eventually anyway, so why wait, you know you want to anyway"

My Dad taught me this one when i was only a young virgin 14 year old. Here it is on trying to get your girl to bed, "We are both adults, we can make adult decisions." He would say this even if he, she or both werent 18. He just figured if he told her that he thought she was adult or adult acting, she wouldnt care what her parents, friends, siblings, etc. would think. It seemed to work A OK.

[Master___Pain]

Maybe you should just try to get to know someone first before you break your dick off in their ass. Ever think of that?

I think Bob just tried to give dating advice...the apocalypse is upon us.

[Clockwork Orange]

I think Bob just tried to give dating advice...the apocalypse is upon us.

What's next? Mike Tyson the financial advisor?

[Jason in LA]

Or maybe she just feels like getting laid too and doesn't think any the worse of herself for it.

Of course it doesn't take the guy's opinion of what she is or isn't. Plenty of other women will do that.

Consenting adults? I don't care what they do, when, or how often. If you don't like how you feel about yourself regarding any experience, learn from it. But don't do or don't do anything based on someone else's opinion.

That's the type of thinking I like.

I don't want a lady to worry about what I think about her. Lets just do what we both want to do.

[youcandoit1687]

I think Bob just tried to give dating advice...the apocalypse is upon us.

hopefully he doesnt do that tm, or else is truly could be a sign

http://users.aol.com/s6sj7gt/mike666.htm

[Jason in LA]

Bob is used to having a little computer love. I bet that's his favorite song.

[Tredici]

That's the type of thinking I like.

I don't want a lady to worry about what I think about her. Lets just do what we both want to do.

You shouldn't think any differently of her than you do of yourself. Every human is born as a sexual being. Enough with the double standard. Get rid of all that crap and maybe half the perversions disappear too.

[Jason in LA]

You shouldn't think any differently of her than you do of yourself. Every human is born as a sexual being. Enough with the double standard. Get rid of all that crap and maybe half the perversions disappear too.

I totally agree.

There is nothing wrong with a woman who wants to get some on the first date. I applaud a woman for it. :thumbsup:

[broncocalijohn]

I totally agree.

There is nothing wrong with a woman who wants to get some on the first date. I applaud a woman for it. :thumbsup:
Jason you applaud silently. Just show her your "SticK' how much you appreciate her openness.

[Blueflame]

If a girl falls into bed with you on the first date, chances are good she might do the same for any other guy, too. Do you really want an "anybody's girl" (all too often that's the term applied to a girl who's perceived as "too easy"... :()



Or maybe she just feels like getting laid too and doesn't think any the worse of herself for it.

Of course it doesn't take the guy's opinion of what she is or isn't. Plenty of other women will do that.

Consenting adults? I don't care what they do, when, or how often. If you don't like how you feel about yourself regarding any experience, learn from it. But don't do or don't do anything based on someone else's opinion.

Certainly there are women who "just feel like getting laid too"... but I've never met one who dated a man solely because she wanted to sleep with him. Most want to believe the guy cares what she thinks and wants to know her as a person and not just a sex object to be used and discarded for the next "flavor of the week".

[sirhcyennek81]

Dudes are easy. Hardons seem to take away from cognitive thought. Thus, never make a decision when in a "making the love" mood.

:Broncos:

[bendog]

Take her skateboarding.

http://www.extremesportclips.com/viewvideo.php?vid=20&sec=ct&cid=15

[freak6]

Dudes are easy. Hardons seem to take away from cognitive thought. Thus, never make a decision when in a "making the love" mood.

:Broncos:

Is that why gay men are so stupid? jking, but not really.

I am so thankful that I am straight with women keeping me in relative check.

[bendog]

I had to cut Mrs Dog off. Everytime we had sex, she'd make me change the bedroom ceiling color.

[sirhcyennek81]

Is that why gay men are so stupid? jking, but not really.

I am so thankful that I am straight with women keeping me in relative check.


All men with hardons lose IQ points, your focus is somewhere else. Women know this, why else do you think they ask you complex things RIGHT as you are about to get into it? Gay men are no different, if you want an answer for something you know you may not like, ask right before you knock boots, improves your chances of getting what you want.


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

I had to cut Mrs Dog off. Everytime we had sex, she'd make me change the bedroom ceiling color.



LMAO...or...put her on top...whichever...


:Broncos:

[Tredici]

Certainly there are women who "just feel like getting laid too"... but I've never met one who dated a man solely because she wanted to sleep with him. Most want to believe the guy cares what she thinks and wants to know her as a person and not just a sex object to be used and discarded for the next "flavor of the week".

Then you don't know too many young women these days. Most of them I know have no intention of getting serious or saddled with a marriage. They are educated, earning their own money and don't view themselves or let anyone else convince them they are sex objects.

[Blueflame]

Then you don't know too many young women these days. Most of them I know have no intention of getting serious or saddled with a marriage. They are educated, earning their own money and don't view themselves or let anyone else convince them they are sex objects.

Actually I know plenty of young women, Tre (I have teenage daughters)... but I don't personally know a single one that prefers "one night stands" with a virtual stranger over a real relationship with a guy she knows well, regardless of education level or financial status.

[Tredici]

Actually I know plenty of young women, Tre (I have teenage daughters)... but I don't personally know a single one that prefers "one night stands" with a virtual stranger over a real relationship with a guy she knows well, regardless of education level or financial status.

Actually you are missing my point. It doesn't matter what an individual preference is. As long as it is their choice, they are responsible, then it isn't up to anyone else to tag them with cliched and double standard names like "anybody's girl". Which we all know is in quotations because it really means a more derogatory term.

[bendog]

Certainly the double standard applies more to women, but I think you two ladies are arguing the same ... ah ... position. A young single man can have the reputation as looking for nothing other than a one night stand, and that will carry a social stigma with some women. Yet, essentially, women (at least those in the middle and upper classes) now have the same freedom of choice as men have had.

[-Slap-]

Careful, I own the copyrights. You'll need to send $10 for each successful encounter.

Send to:

STD's (Sean's Terrific Datelines)
Boca Raton, FL
You mean you can get STDs through the mail now?

:(

[Blueflame]

Actually you are missing my point. It doesn't matter what an individual preference is. As long as it is their choice, they are responsible, then it isn't up to anyone else to tag them with cliched and double standard names like "anybody's girl". Which we all know is in quotations because it really means a more derogatory term.

Right or wrong, society in general does still tag women with cliched and double standard names, Tre... particularly in conservative small towns. Gender bias is still alive and well and what's "fair for the gander" isn't always viewed as "OK for the goose".

[-Slap-]

Certainly the double standard applies more to women, but I think you two ladies are arguing the same ... ah ... position. A young single man can have the reputation as looking for nothing other than a one night stand, and that will carry a social stigma with some women. Yet, essentially, women (at least those in the middle and upper classes) now have the same freedom of choice as men have had.
The stigma still applies. The point is women are just as likely, if not more likely, to apply those labels to another woman as men would be.

[Blueflame]

The stigma still applies. The point is women are just as likely, if not more likely, to apply those labels to another woman as men would be.

Wouldn't the men have to "kiss and tell" before other women would necessarily know, though? Gossip isn't always gender-specific...

[freak6]

Girls are just as bad as guys if not worse these days.

[bendog]

LMAO...or...put her on top...whichever...


:Broncos:
Yes, well, I tried that, but when she dozed off as she always does, about two minutes into the deed, she passed out right on top of me with her forehead butting me right in the nose. Hurt like hell.

[bendog]

Wouldn't the men have to "kiss and tell" before other women would necessarily know, though? Gossip isn't always gender-specific...
Possibly, but women tend to see what other women are doing in a social situation. With teen girls, they know who's "fast" and who isn't. Unfortunately, esp with teens, the girls without social power sometimes get labled as sluts for behavior far less "fast" than some popular girls "get away with."

I've found this book most illuminating as to my daughter who's entering middle school this past year. Not a good experience.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400047927/qid=1149706232/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-

I work in an office where they hire 10-15 "interns" just out of law school each year. Now I'm in the South, and while my experience when single was women are having just as much sex here as elsewhere (and by God there are more good looking women having sex here than in godforsaken brokeback mountain Wyoming) but we do tend to be more socially conservative ... or at least we try to look like we are. We are more conformist. There are young women who are taking the lads out for test drives, but it seems to me that most are looking for longterm relationships. As are most of the young men.

[freak6]

but it seems to me that most are looking for longterm relationships. As are most of the young men.

Not out here in SD. I think it depends on age, around 25 guys start looking for that marlin instead of just trolling for bass. But most of my younger friends are just bang bang, 1 month rule in effect.

One my friends says he refuses to date girls that make less than him. Brilliant!!!

[Blueflame]

Possibly, but women tend to see what other women are doing in a social situation. With teen girls, they know who's "fast" and who isn't. Unfortunately, esp with teens, the girls without social power sometimes get labled as sluts for behavior far less "fast" than some popular girls "get away with."

I've found this book most illuminating as to my daughter who's entering middle school this past year. Not a good experience.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400047927/qid=1149706232/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/002-

I work in an office where they hire 10-15 "interns" just out of law school each year. Now I'm in the South, and while my experience when single was women are having just as much sex here as elsewhere (and by God there are more good looking women having sex here than in godforsaken brokeback mountain Wyoming) but we do tend to be more socially conservative ... or at least we try to look like we are. We are more conformist. There are young women who are taking the lads out for test drives, but it seems to me that most are looking for longterm relationships. As are most of the young men.

School situations have their own dynamics and the observation that the rules can seem to be more flexible for "popular" cliques is valid. I'll have to check out that book. Thanks. :)

Things are pretty conservative in the inland northwest, too... and as your post observes, most of the young women... and a fair percentage of the young men as well... seem to be looking for more than just one quick roll in the hay. No, there's nothing inherently "wrong" with casual sex, but on the other hand, there are times when "waiting" is a better option...and sometimes, it ends up being well worth waiting for. ;)

[Bronco Yoda]

Jason
You should have stopped and yacked some pigskin with us. Don't let the beach blankets and naked bingo scare you off. Never too busy to talk some Bronco football... regardless of what else I may be doing at the time...:)

[bendog]

Right or wrong, society in general does still tag women with cliched and double standard names, Tre... particularly in conservative small towns. Gender bias is still alive and well and what's "fair for the gander" isn't always viewed as "OK for the goose".
I was thinking more on the double standard, esp in terms of what I see with the young professional crew at the office. The "youngster" I found the most amusing was this guy who ran about 6-4 and 240-250. Played rugby, was nearly bald in his mid 20s, and had a springer spaniel. Hey was open with women that he'd love to date but was absolutely not interested in an emotional relationship. Some women were put off, but not all. (actually he reminded me a bit of me in my early 30s, though I am only 5-2, and currently am up to 275lbs.)

Anyway, I run into him at Christmas party's most years. He's married in his early 30s. Thinking about kids. He married a young lady with a weiner dog, and the wiener dog and his springer were buds. I a wonderful faux pas, In asked "how's [dog's name] doing." He says, "he bit my wife on the face, so I had him put down last week."

Anyway, this guy worked hard to get the rep as a male slut. When he decides to settle down, he's a true social prize to his spouse, as she's seen as somebody who can "keep her man happy." Sorta like Jerri Hall with Mick Jagger. There were stories of how she'd wear him out before they partied. You knew she must be hot if she could hang onto Mick.

The question I ask myself is, is it the same for a guy marrying a lady with a rep? I think so.

[Blueflame]

I was thinking more on the double standard, esp in terms of what I see with the young professional crew at the office. The "youngster" I found the most amusing was this guy who ran about 6-4 and 240-250. Played rugby, was nearly bald in his mid 20s, and had a springer spaniel. Hey was open with women that he'd love to date but was absolutely not interested in an emotional relationship. Some women were put off, but not all. (actually he reminded me a bit of me in my early 30s, though I am only 5-2, and currently am up to 275lbs.)

Anyway, I run into him at Christmas party's most years. He's married in his early 30s. Thinking about kids. He married a young lady with a weiner dog, and the wiener dog and his springer were buds. I a wonderful faux pas, In asked "how's [dog's name] doing." He says, "he bit my wife on the face, so I had him put down last week."

Anyway, this guy worked hard to get the rep as a male slut. When he decides to settle down, he's a true social prize to his spouse, as she's seen as somebody who can "keep her man happy." Sorta like Jerri Hall with Mick Jagger. There were stories of how she'd wear him out before they partied. You knew she must be hot if she could hang onto Mick.

The question I ask myself is, is it the same for a guy marrying a lady with a rep? I think so.

Interesting story, Bendog... it sounds to me like the guy was playing the field (or sowing his wild oats, if you will) till he found the "right" one but was ready to settle down to just her once he did. A guy who "tamed a nymphomaniac" could be seen as a superstud in his social circle, I suppose. Eh... to each his own. :P

[Tredici]

Right or wrong, society in general does still tag women with cliched and double standard names, Tre... particularly in conservative small towns. Gender bias is still alive and well and what's "fair for the gander" isn't always viewed as "OK for the goose".

Which is why I choose not to perpetuate the double standard. But hey, each to their own.

[crazyhorse]

Then you don't know too many young women these days. Most of them I know have no intention of getting serious or saddled with a marriage. They are educated, earning their own money and don't view themselves or let anyone else convince them they are sex objects.

If I weren't married, perhaps you could convince me to put out.

I would make you work for it though. I'm not easy.


In all seriousness though, it sounds as though the women you know act like men. Except when we have our own money, not wanting to get saddled, and just having sex with whatever woman we chose, we were considered cavemen/animals/dogs, but most ceratinly uneducated.

[Tredici]

If I weren't married, perhaps you could convince me to put out.

I would make you work for it though. I'm not easy.


In all seriousness though, it sounds as though the women you know act like men. Except when we have our own money, not wanting to get saddled, and just having sex with whatever woman we chose, we were considered cavemen/animals/dogs, but most ceratinly uneducated.

It took the education of women for them to understand how terrified of female sexuality the world is. Now for men, what's sexually permissable is defined by laws. What you are or are not allowed to do by society's standards is punishable by prison terms. For women, it's this complex set of moral, religious, cultural and social regulations. And why? To deny females even HAVE sexuality? Everyone knows that isn't true. But by golly every modern civilization has sure spent a lot of time trying to harness it and convince women there are very few forms of correct sexual expressment.

As for the context of your post, I notice you use past tense. I'm sure Jason agrees with you.

[-Slap-]

Now for men, what's sexually permissable is defined by laws. What you are or are not allowed to do by society's standards is punishable by prison terms. For women, it's this complex set of moral, religious, cultural and social regulations.
What a great post.

[Nuggets4]

Next thing you know, women are going to be allowed out of the kitchen and are going to be voting in elections! What a crazy new world.

[crazyhorse]

It took the education of women for them to understand how terrified of female sexuality the world is. Now for men, what's sexually permissable is defined by laws. What you are or are not allowed to do by society's standards is punishable by prison terms. For women, it's this complex set of moral, religious, cultural and social regulations. And why? To deny females even HAVE sexuality? Everyone knows that isn't true. But by golly every modern civilization has sure spent a lot of time trying to harness it and convince women there are very few forms of correct sexual expressment.

As for the context of your post, I notice you use past tense. I'm sure Jason agrees with you.

Imagine a woman with testosterone.

What is sexually permissable for men is defined by the man. Same for a woman. Society bears that out. The rest of what you said sounds like whining.

This isn't the 50s.

[sirhcyennek81]

[QUOTE=crazyhorse]Imagine a woman with testosterone.
QUOTE]


As women age, they produce more testosterone. As men age, we produce more estrogen. Just the way it works out.


:Broncos:

[Tredici]

Imagine a woman with testosterone.

What is sexually permissable for men is defined by the man. Same for a woman. Society bears that out. The rest of what you said sounds like whining.

This isn't the 50s.

That's deep. Thanks for trying to play.

[crazyhorse]

That's deep. Thanks for trying to play.


I guess you know it all, huh?

I am someone with real life experience. Not a woman who hates the idea of playing a role in a relationship, as you are. I am a man, who has a role that I take great pride in. My wife does as well. Both roles are respected, and there is no jealousy of the other.

In laymens terms, I am an equal partner in a relationship where there is no competition. Nor is there a second class citzen.

I can understand the "real life" application for testosterone. There are benefits as well as draw backs. Same with estrogen. But with a balance between two people who dont try so hard to find a reason life isn't fair, we are able to focus on the positives and work to overcome the negatives.

The sexual dynamic is different for both. On this we agree. However, my abilty to understand this dynamic has enabled me to operate hapily within it.

If that makes me uneducated, or lack depth, then so be it.

I just celebrated my 20th wedding anniversary.

Perhaps you shouldn't count so much on society for your opinion of yourself.

Men are regualted by law? That's ridiculous. Not deep.

[Tredici]

I guess you know it all, huh?

I am someone with real life experience. Not a woman who hates the idea of playing a role in a relationship, as you are. I am a man, who has a role that I take great pride in. My wife does as well. Both roles are respected, and there is no jealousy of the other.

In laymens terms, I am an equal partner in a relationship where there is no competition. Nor is there a second class citzen.

I can understand the "real life" application for testosterone. There are benefits as well as draw backs. Same with estrogen. But with a balance between two people who dont try so hard to find a reason life isn't fair, we are able to focus on the positives and work to overcome the negatives.

The sexual dynamic is different for both. On this we agree. However, my abilty to understand this dynamic has enabled me to operate hapily within it.

If that makes me uneducated, or lack depth, then so be it.

I just celebrated my 20th wedding anniversary.

Perhaps you shouldn't count so much on society for your opinion of yourself.

Men are regualted by law? That's ridiculous. Not deep.

I have no need to know anything when I have a big strong internet guy like you to tell me what and who I am. It's predictably tedious to see you put everything into neat, little stereotype boxes. Here's a big shocker. I don't play a role because in my relationships I'm fortunate to find men who have no need to request that I do.

It might have been possible to have a conversation but you are way to anxious to get in the personal shot rather than discuss a subject.

Which is why I say: Thanks for trying to play.

[-Slap-]

Men are regualted by law? That's ridiculous. Not deep.
No, its the truth and its obviously more than you can handle.

Why are the majority of sex offenders male?

Why are the majority of parents who abandon their financial or emotional responsibility to their children male?

What do you think regulates this behavior?

Could it be laws?

God, you're simple.

[Blueflame]

No, its the truth and its obviously more than you can handle.

Why are the majority of sex offenders male?

Why are the majority of parents who abandon their financial or emotional responsibility to their children male?

What do you think regulates this behavior?

Could it be laws?

God, you're simple.

For some men, laws are necessary to regulate behavior... however, there are also men who choose not to be sex offenders or to abandon their children or spouses due to religious, social, moral or ethical values (as Tre said apply to women) rather than solely because of laws...

[crazyhorse]

No, its the truth and its obviously more than you can handle.

Why are the majority of sex offenders male?

Why are the majority of parents who abandon their financial or emotional responsibility to their children male?

What do you think regulates this behavior?

Could it be laws?

God, you're simple.

Well then let me put it simple for you. My sexuality is not regulated by law, but by me. Is yours?

Your out of the loop.

Perhaps now is a good time to be quiet.

[crazyhorse]

I have no need to know anything when I have a big strong internet guy like you to tell me what and who I am. It's predictably tedious to see you put everything into neat, little stereotype boxes. Here's a big shocker. I don't play a role because in my relationships I'm fortunate to find men who have no need to request that I do.

It might have been possible to have a conversation but you are way to anxious to get in the personal shot rather than discuss a subject.

Which is why I say: Thanks for trying to play.

Dont be offended when a man doesn't allow you to talk down to him. Consider it charactor.

It's not stereotyping, it's enjoying reality. You should try it. If your lucky, he will be a big strong guy like me. My wife and I are both happy confident smart people.

As for discussing a subject, where was tha opportunity?

My position on the subject is this.

If you are telling me you are at a disadvantage sexually, you wasted the best years of your life.

Men act the way they do because of the social cost of what it means to be humiliated. The social programming for young men is one where emotion is a weakness. we become socially and sexually retarded from it. When most of us were little boys we were more romantic then when we became men. What we are is a direct reflection of the road to get here. How we handle it is a direct reflection of who we are. Those same rules apply to men and women. The social scale is different, I agree. But it's no tougher to be a woman sexually than it is a man.

In reguards to sexual appetite, there is no competition. However, that is not to say that a womans appetite is small or insignifigant. But to say control of it, or to deal with it on a daily basis......

Can be confusing, very tough, and feel very unfair for both of us.

[Pendejo]

For some men, laws are necessary to regulate behavior... however, there are also men who choose not to be sex offenders or to abandon their children or spouses due to religious, social, moral or ethical values (as Tre said apply to women) rather than solely because of laws...

Very good post. Smart. Most guys don't do those things that you listed. Most are decent.

From reading Slap's post though...he was talking about specifics in which he is undeniably right. A la...the majority of sex offenders are male, or that the majority of deadbeat parents are male. It's inarguable.

He didn't say that the majority of men are these things...rather that the majority of people of fall in these categories are male.

Blue I don't think you read Tredici's brilliant post with the right kind of eyes, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding...

[Blueflame]

Very good post. Smart. Most guys don't do those things that you listed. Most are decent.

From reading Slap's post though...he was talking about specifics in which he is undeniably right. A la...the majority of sex offenders are male, or that the majority of deadbeat parents are male. It's inarguable.

He didn't say that the majority of men are these things...rather that the majority of people of fall in these categories are male.

Blue I don't think you read Tredici's brilliant post with the right kind of eyes, or perhaps I'm misunderstanding...

I'll take Tre's post line by line then... :)

It took the education of women for them to understand how terrified of female sexuality the world is.
Much of the world doesn't even want to acknowledge that females are capable of sexuality. The road to any semblance of equal rights for women has been a long and hotly contested one and even now there are some who would like to erase the gains made in the last century and go back to the open sexism of an era in which women were openly treated as either chattel or at the very least as "lesser beings". Yeah, it took education... but also a lot of hard work to gain even the right to vote.
Now for men, what's sexually permissable is defined by laws. What you are or are not allowed to do by society's standards is punishable by prison terms.
The same laws apply to any woman who breaks them... and women such as Mary Kay Letourneau have, indeed been sentenced to prison terms. While female sex offenders are rarer than male ones, it does seem that occurrences are becoming more frequent.
For women, it's this complex set of moral, religious, cultural and social regulations.
The same set of moral, religious, cultural and social regulations also apply to a lot of men. As an example, I'd cite another thread on the main board dealing with flirting... it's clear from some of the posts that faith or individual moral values would have a distinct effect on the way some of the Mane's male posters interact with members of the opposite sex.
And why? To deny females even HAVE sexuality? Everyone knows that isn't true. But by golly every modern civilization has sure spent a lot of time trying to harness it and convince women there are very few forms of correct sexual expressment.
Why? To control women, of course. Even in the 21st century, there are still men who feel threatened by an intelligent, confident woman and would prefer a return to the days in which women were expected to stay at home, pregnant, barefoot, and in the kitchen... in short, under men's bootheels... a subclass of humanity. There are some who feel their own personal power increases with the subjugation of others.

[bendog]

Tred's right, and it's really not just sex offenders. It's divorce. It's just way easy for a guy to move on, and out of state.

As for the double standard, imo, it shape shifts through different socio-econ and racial/cultural groups. The protestant (including LDS) RR cuts through all income levels, and certainly the denial of women's sexuality is to control not just their behavior, but their subservient position to their husbands. And that cuts into the mainstream religions with Presbyterians esp.

The Rom Cath Church is simply dysfunctional when it comes to women. It becomes more and more apparant that at best it's leadership is made up of closet queens who are terrified of socially powerful, sexually open women.

I've seen the conflict in latino and anglo families as daughters gain education and employment outstripping (-: (We watched Closer last night) their fathers. I'm old enough that when I saw these families the daughters were the first generation in the family to have access to reliable contraception not dependent upon a man being compliant, and that was a huge change. Though, I've no doubt similar conflict occurs now.

And the Dads aren't just evil old dinosaurs. The social fabric that kept the Dads in marriages that had grown old, or even sticking in their and paying support are tied to that. Dad's the breadwinner. He's got to protect the family unit. The "seventies guy" and later generations came to view coupling as a partnership, with both parents having duties to the children.

So, imo, its really a minority of religious nutters pushing the double standard. But put that together with millions of deadbeat dads, and the double standard's alive and well.

And that isn't even attempting to include adolescents and the effects of racism and drugs in the black culture that seems not to assimilate.

[freak6]

I think it is way easier for a women sexually than a man. Way way easier. Women can use thier sexuality and looks for work, free drinks (my gf never buys drinks when she goes out), dinners, all sorts of free stuff. They can have sex when ever they want. Guys chase Girls like Dog chases Cat. But women still have to bear all the of the work as far as reproduction goes, and face discrimination in a male dominated world. That's our world. Is it fair and balanced like Fox News...yes.

[bendog]

Interesting story, Bendog... it sounds to me like the guy was playing the field (or sowing his wild oats, if you will) till he found the "right" one but was ready to settle down to just her once he did. A guy who "tamed a nymphomaniac" could be seen as a superstud in his social circle, I suppose. Eh... to each his own. :P
Yes, I think that's what I was trying to say. In middle class, non RR, educated circles, I don't really see a double standard in terms of what is, and not, socially acceptable in young professional singles. Freak points out an interesting thing, in that for some reason, men still seem to pay the way on dates. However, as single dates evolve into a relationship, I think the money thing tends to equalize.

However, as freak also pts out, the double standard is alive and well in terms of child rearing. More dads abandon than do moms. And even in the higher financial levels. My wife sees guys trying to nickle and dime in divorces all the time. Of course, she's also got a Anna Nicol Simpson types trying to financially rape some poor older guys who couldn't keep it zipped.

[freak6]

More dads abandon than do moms.

Yeah, and just my luck I find knock up the crazy btch that abandons the child. Seriously, I am lucky for that!!! It's way easier I think than having to split time back and forth. Anyway, I'm just saying, it does happen, but like you said, bendog, usually the other way around.

Women using thier sexuality for personal gain is just a part of life. But society isn't fair to them.

Look at how we treat Paris Hilton for example vs Colin Farrell.

[Tredici]

I'll take Tre's post line by line then... :)


Much of the world doesn't even want to acknowledge that females are capable of sexuality. The road to any semblance of equal rights for women has been a long and hotly contested one and even now there are some who would like to erase the gains made in the last century and go back to the open sexism of an era in which women were openly treated as either chattel or at the very least as "lesser beings". Yeah, it took education... but also a lot of hard work to gain even the right to vote.

... and women such as Mary Kay Letourneau have, indeed been sentenced to prison terms. While female sex offenders are rarer than male ones, it does seem that occurrences are becoming more frequent.

The same set of moral, religious, cultural and social regulations also apply to a lot of men. As an example, I'd cite another thread on the main board dealing with flirting... it's clear from some of the posts that faith or individual moral values would have a distinct effect on the way some of the Mane's male posters interact with members of the opposite sex.

Why? To control women, of course. Even in the 21st century, there are still men who feel threatened by an intelligent, confident woman and would prefer a return to the days in which women were expected to stay at home, pregnant, barefoot, and in the kitchen... in short, under men's bootheels... a subclass of humanity. There are some who feel their own personal power increases with the subjugation of others.

"The same laws apply to any woman who breaks them."

I don't think that is where I was coming from. Of course the law applies. Why were the laws written? I would wager to control what is considered "too deviant" in male sexuality. Even the Commandments specifically said not covet thy neighbor's wife.

And then there's Beastiality. Supposedly against the law but everyone talks about the "performances" to seen involving women and animals.

Rape? Yes, you can bring up Mary Kay Letourneau but you will also get immediate arguement from many males saying it wasn't anything but a dream come true. Expressing their sexuality even from the age of 12 seems overwhelming the choice.

My point remains, while law applies to both genders why does the law exist? Rarely would there be one written specifically for female offenders.



"The same set of moral, religious, cultural and social regulations also apply to a lot of men."

This I absolutely disagree with. I am referring to the complex messages society gives women regarding their sexuality. I don't see flirting as an issue. Men aren't called prostitutes or whores. Or "anybody's boy". You don't see men having baby boys and saying they are going to get a baseball bat to beat off the girls in his future. Males are expected to be sexual and to express it. Females are not.

[Blueflame]

I don't think that is where I was coming from. Of course the law applies. Why were the laws written?

Which laws are we talking about? The Jewish law as given to Moses, or today's American legal system? The Jewish laws were written because the Israelites wanted laws to maintain order in the society they were forming after their exodus from slavery in Egypt. And after the Revolution, the new U.S. government also needed laws in order to govern the citizens of our newly liberated nation.

I would wager to control what is considered "too deviant" in male sexuality.

The Law of Moses covered every aspect of the Israelites' everyday life...yes, including sexuality, but also extended to more mundane matters such as dietary rules as well as purification before one could enter the Temple.

Even the Commandments specifically said not covet thy neighbor's wife.

Exodus 20:17 (KJV) "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's."

The commandment specifies that one is forbidden from coveting a lot more than just one's neighbor's wife. If it were gender-based, would the "manservant" have been included?

And then there's Beastiality. Supposedly against the law but everyone talks about the "performances" to seen involving women and animals.

"Everyone" talks about that? They sure don't in my circle of friends... but I'll admit that I have seen joking references to guys and livestock posted here on the Mane.

Rape? Yes, you can bring up Mary Kay Letourneau but you will also get immediate arguement from many males saying it wasn't anything but a dream come true. Expressing their sexuality even from the age of 12 seems overwhelming the choice.

Regardless of the child's gender, 12 is way too young to make an educated decision about becoming sexually active, imho... and those who think it should be OK for an adult female to sexually victimize a male child are idiots, from my perspective. Who knows what psychological damage it could do to the child in the future... or if the experience will make him think sex with babies is OK? A significant percentage of offenders were past victims themselves...

My point remains, while law applies to both genders why does the law exist? Rarely would there be one written specifically for female offenders.

The law exists to indicate society's disapproval of some behaviors... and the observation regarding laws written specifically for female offenders seems moot. Why write new laws specifically for women when the existing laws can cover the misbehavior by either gender?

This I absolutely disagree with. I am referring to the complex messages society gives women regarding their sexuality. I don't see flirting as an issue. Men aren't called prostitutes or whores. Or "anybody's boy". You don't see men having baby boys and saying they are going to get a baseball bat to beat off the girls in his future. Males are expected to be sexual and to express it. Females are not.

Yet several guys on this very messageboard have indicated that it isn't the law, but rather their own moral and religious values that govern their conduct with the opposite gender... which indicates to me that they wouldn't be out raping women or molesting children even if those actions were not illegal. It does these guys (the majority of men, imho) a grave disservice to suggest that the law is the sole... or even primary... reason why they choose not to rape or molest.

You'll get no argument from me as to society's double standard. Like any other form of bigotry, sexism does still exist in the world and it's simply something we all will have to deal with.

[crazyhorse]

"The same laws apply to any woman who breaks them."

I don't think that is where I was coming from. Of course the law applies. Why were the laws written? I would wager to control what is considered "too deviant" in male sexuality. Even the Commandments specifically said not covet thy neighbor's wife.

And then there's Beastiality. Supposedly against the law but everyone talks about the "performances" to seen involving women and animals.

Rape? Yes, you can bring up Mary Kay Letourneau but you will also get immediate arguement from many males saying it wasn't anything but a dream come true. Expressing their sexuality even from the age of 12 seems overwhelming the choice.

My point remains, while law applies to both genders why does the law exist? Rarely would there be one written specifically for female offenders.



"The same set of moral, religious, cultural and social regulations also apply to a lot of men."

This I absolutely disagree with. I am referring to the complex messages society gives women regarding their sexuality. I don't see flirting as an issue. Men aren't called prostitutes or whores. Or "anybody's boy". You don't see men having baby boys and saying they are going to get a baseball bat to beat off the girls in his future. Males are expected to be sexual and to express it. Females are not.

Someone should have discussed "The birds and the bees" with you.

[bendog]

a tube sock and a plastic jar of generic petroleum jelly (made from corn oil of course) in missouri

[Tredici]

Which laws are we talking about? The Jewish law as given to Moses, or today's American legal system? The Jewish laws were written because the Israelites wanted laws to maintain order in the society they were forming after their exodus from slavery in Egypt. And after the Revolution, the new U.S. government also needed laws in order to govern the citizens of our newly liberated nation.



The Law of Moses covered every aspect of the Israelites' everyday life...yes, including sexuality, but also extended to more mundane matters such as dietary rules as well as purification before one could enter the Temple.



Exodus 20:17 (KJV) "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's."

The commandment specifies that one is forbidden from coveting a lot more than just one's neighbor's wife. If it were gender-based, would the "manservant" have been included?



"Everyone" talks about that? They sure don't in my circle of friends... but I'll admit that I have seen joking references to guys and livestock posted here on the Mane.



Regardless of the child's gender, 12 is way too young to make an educated decision about becoming sexually active, imho... and those who think it should be OK for an adult female to sexually victimize a male child are idiots, from my perspective. Who knows what psychological damage it could do to the child in the future... or if the experience will make him think sex with babies is OK? A significant percentage of offenders were past victims themselves...



The law exists to indicate society's disapproval of some behaviors... and the observation regarding laws written specifically for female offenders seems moot. Why write new laws specifically for women when the existing laws can cover the misbehavior by either gender?



Yet several guys on this very messageboard have indicated that it isn't the law, but rather their own moral and religious values that govern their conduct with the opposite gender... which indicates to me that they wouldn't be out raping women or molesting children even if those actions were not illegal. It does these guys (the majority of men, imho) a grave disservice to suggest that the law is the sole... or even primary... reason why they choose not to rape or molest.

You'll get no argument from me as to society's double standard. Like any other form of bigotry, sexism does still exist in the world and it's simply something we all will have to deal with.

Let's just cut this short. I have no interest in debating every aspect of sexuality. Let's just agree on the double standard. How we "deal with it" is personal. -- Therefore irrelevant in debate.

[Tredici]

Someone should have discussed "The birds and the bees" with you.

Another stupid assumption.

[SportinOne]

I don't want to start another thread, but i do wanna talk about something that happened to me today..

here i am, walking through the mall.. i'm on my way back to the parking garages to find my car and go home... *flashback* 1:25PM, going to the mall, do i go with what i have on (shorts and a bronco hoodie) or do i change into some nice clothes.. i decide to change. *flashforward* so i'm looking for my car, and i remembered i parked in tomato 5, but this is clearly strawberry 5... tomato is on the other side of the lot. *decision* do i go back the way i came and take a short cut, or do i take the long walk through the parking lot..

f it, i go through the lot.

So i'm on my way through.. and a car stops in front of me.. A girl pokes her head out and says, "Excuse me." I walk over.. then she asks, "Do you know which way the exit is?" I have a little laugh to myself, because its right in front of their eyes... I point it out, knowing that she was looking for more than directions.. Then, here it comes.. "Can i have your number?" My impulse was to say, "No".. i mean i have morals you know? Besides.. it's rude to try and pick up a person from car to foot.. car to car is fine.. foot to foot is fine.. but this isn't a level playing field. Then i realize... tall, slenderish girl.. excellent rack.. possibly mexican/asian mix.. So i give her a playful.. "I dont know..." She asks me how old i am.. I tell her i'm 21, which i am.. She says she's "only 18". Good enough for me, i'm thinking.. and i agree to give her my number.. In the process, i get her number too, and i just tell her i will call her.. you know.. keeping it traditional.. She says she is only going to be in town for the weekend, as she's just "visiting".

So it's 4 hours later, 8pm Pacific time, and i give her a call. She asks me what i'm doing tonight.. I tell her i'm not sure yet, and ask her what she's up to... She says, "We're (probably her and her friends) going dancing down town... do you wanna come?" DANCING, my Achilles heel... those familiar words.. the pressure.. I can't dance.. If i go and i try to dance, i'll embarrass myself.. but if i go and just stand there.. i'll look even worse. Just what in the hell do i do?

I decide to be flat out honest... I tell her i'm not much of a dancer, and that she should go have fun with her friends.. but that i'd like to take her out tomorrow. She says alright, tells me to call her tomorrow... We exchange goodbyes and hang up.... blew it... girl is only in town for 3 days.. wants my number, wants to hang out the same night.. and i find a way to not let that happen.. now, an outgoing girl like that, she finds some other guy tonight at the club to take out her guiltless passions on, it will carry over into tomorrow.. and 100 dollars says that she doesn't answer the phone when i call...or she does, but i get a really lame excuse as to why she is cancelling.

What do you think. Did i blow it? Or is there still hope?

[Jason in LA]

That's one thing that I can't figure out. That whole dancing thing. I can't dance. Hate it. I don't go to clubs much. I'm more of a bar guy. I can talk a chick into liking me more than I can dance her into liking me. The few times that I go to a club, I find a good spot and park it. At some point in the night I'll try to dance. A couple times I did alright, but other times I felt like I killed my chances with the chick. The only time that I have a good time at a dance club was at a reggae club. I don't know, the beat was easy to move to. I was half way drunk, and I just couldn't pass this one girl up. After checking her out for a good half an hour, and a few drinks, I saw her get up and walk towards the dance floor. It was now or never. It was well worth grabbing her. We danced for like an hour, and I got a good feel of her...if you know what I mean.

I don't know if you blew it. You may have. Some chicks love to dance, and guys who know how to dance seem to pick up girls well at clubs. My brother can dance a little bit. Just a little bit. I saw him at a club with a chick all over him. He felt that chick up big time on the dance floor.

Some guy probably danced with her and got some action, and that may be who she'll be hanging out with again.

Maybe you should have told her that you aren't very good at it, but you'll give it a try. Go out with her, show her a great time off the dance floor, and give it your best on the dance floor.

I've half way thought about taking a dancing class just so I can get some more action. Because I'm not maximizine the club scene at all.

[sirhcyennek81]

Some women...and men, consider a guy who can dance, would be good in bed. I can't dance, and when I try, its because I am trashed, and dont care who sees. I am great it bed. No correlation exists between the two. Prefer dancing with chicks, if shes any good at all, she makes you appear better then you actually are. My friend Jess is such a chick, and grinds the hell out of me on purpose. Other guys just watch...which boosts the confidence. Then those same guys end up getting my number...so it makes me wonder.


:Broncos:

[watermock]

TMI, not that there's anything wrong with that.