cutlers point of release

[cutthemdown]

I don't get too excited about any rookies until i see them play but i like how high he releases the ball.

[cutthemdown]

brooks release very low.

[cutthemdown]

even in a game cutlers release is perfect.

[Wes Mantooth]

Wow. That ball is about 7'3" in the air!

[UKBronco]

We can't judge him until we've seen him wear a helmet.

Don't you ever learn?

[bombquixote]

Cutler's better than Elway, I can tell already.

[Mile High Shack]

want to see a jacked up point of release

check out mr.secondcomingofelwayforpeoplewholiveintexas and you'll see a very jacked up point of release

[alkemical]

Griese's release was usually a 1/5......

[cutthemdown]

We can't judge him until we've seen him wear a helmet.

Don't you ever learn?
hence the I dont get to excited until i see them play, but..........

[eddie mac]

Wonder how many passes he gets tipped at the line of scrimage??? If he throws that high on a regular basis I'd guess not very many.

[MechanicalBull]

Wonder how many passes he gets tipped at the line of scrimage??? If he throws that high on a regular basis I'd guess not very many.

Was just thinking the same thing. Probably not as many as Vince Young.

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/college/allsport/big12/texas/young_vince3.jpg

[Arkansas Bronco]

Was just thinking the same thing. Probably not as many as Vince Young.

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/college/allsport/big12/texas/young_vince3.jpg
Nice release point. I think his idea is to throw it under defenders.

[Arkansas Bronco]

We can't judge him until we've seen him wear a helmet.

Don't you ever learn?
Some of us have seen him play (he was wearing a helmet then) and can get a bit excited already.

[eddie mac]

Nice release point. I think his idea is to throw it under defenders.

Through their legs AB now there's accuracy for you.LOL

[Arkansas Bronco]

nice article for thos who havnt read it yet.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5633

my favorite line.
Added Javon Walker: "God, he’s going to be a great quarterback. Obviously you can see all the potential that's there. I look forward to whatever happens in the future."

Another good line.
"You take a look at can a guy make all of the throws -- and that's the key," Shanahan said. "Not his arm strength. You don't have to throw a ball 80 or 90 yards, but you throw to the running back. Can you throw the deep post? Can he throw the deep circles? Does he have the ability to flick his wrist to throw the ball downfield?

"He does have that ability."

[MechanicalBull]

Nice release point. I think his idea is to throw it under defenders.

When I was searching through pics to find one of his release point probably about 90% of the pics were him running. He will throw it right in the numbers. Too bad it will be the numbers of the defensive linemen if he continues to throw the ball that low.

[Dagmar]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6279050660290333013&q=Jay+Cutler

Probably posted before, but boy does he get levelled plenty...

[Ballhawk]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6279050660290333013&q=Jay+Cutler

Probably posted before, but boy does he get levelled plenty...


He also has a little wiggle when he does run and seems to tuck the ball away. Good form all around.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Nice release point. I think his idea is to throw it under defenders.

A couple of times I saw Young throw it like that, I would have sworn you were right.

[Kaylore]

http://media.mnginteractive.com/media/paper36/Bvanpelt0820art.jpg
Pointed the right way, but doesn't have full extension.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/features/si50/states/idaho/essay/p1_plummer.jpg

Pretty good. Not completely extended, but good enough by NFL standards.

Pretty similar, huh?

[Play2win]

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/college/allsport/big12/texas/young_vince3.jpg

I thought Jarious Jackson was OUT of football... ;D

[BroncoMan4ever]

Cutler's better than Elway, I can tell already.


Blaspheme!!!

Elway is the greatest there ever was and the greatest there will ever be. I am sure Cutler will go on to have a great career in Denver. But he will never be as great as Elway.

[alkemical]

Yeah, when he wins 2 sb's we'll see....

[watermock]

Because he was constantly harrassed, Cutler has gotten a habit of throwing off the back foot. However, he still has a strong release off the back foot. it's something they have to correct but other than that, his mechanics are excellent. Shanahan said that even off his back foot he had the arm strength to deliver the ball. At 6-3 226 and with a true overhand release, he's an excellent, excellent prospect. He's strong and pretty agile to boot. 4 year starter forged by the fire of the SEC. I've been a Bronco fan long enough to tell when Shanahan is excited about a player.

Javon Walker: "God, he’s going to be a great quarterback. Obviously you can see all the potential that's there. I look forward to whatever happens in the future."

Not too bad coming from someone who has caught the rock from Lord Favre. The future's so bright I have to wear shades.

[Play2win]

Blaspheme!!!

Elway is the greatest there ever was and the greatest there will ever be. I am sure Cutler will go on to have a great career in Denver. But he will never be as great as Elway.
Elway is the Past, Present and the Future...

He is the Alpha and the Omega...

[youcandoit1687]

Because he was constantly harrassed, Cutler has gotten a habit of throwing off the back foot. However, he still has a strong release off the back foot. it's something they have to correct but other than that, his mechanics are excellent. Shanahan said that even off his back foot he had the arm strength to deliver the ball. At 6-3 226 and with a true overhand release, he's an excellent, excellent prospect. He's strong and pretty agile to boot. 4 year starter forged by the fire of the SEC. I've been a Bronco fan long enough to tell when Shanahan is excited about a player.



Not too bad coming from someone who has caught the rock from Lord Favre. The future's so bright I have to wear shades.

im not too worried about the backfoot. it can be a good thing and im sure when he has the space, he steps into the throws. if he can get the right zip, projection, touch, etc. on the throw from his backfoot, its better than from his front foot because it protects his legs better(carson palmer). most nfl experts would tell u that u have to throw from the backfoot or else ull never make it in the league

[cabronco]

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/college/allsport/big12/texas/young_vince3.jpg

I thought Jarious Jackson was OUT of football... ;D

He should of never been IN football..:)

[watermock]

im not too worried about the backfoot. it can be a good thing and im sure when he has the space, he steps into the throws. if he can get the right zip, projection, touch, etc. on the throw from his backfoot, its better than from his front foot because it protects his legs better(carson palmer). most nfl experts would tell u that u have to throw from the backfoot or else ull never make it in the league

That's all true, but if the QB doesn't have enough arm strength he will tend to deliver the ball more sidearm and loft it with less velocity. I don't see it as a glaring weakness either, more that he can make the throws off the back foot. If we don't give him a tin foil OL he will be fine. It's a very minor thing IMO. It's when you throw off the back foot when your not harried you have a serious problem.

Damn, 30 years

[UKBronco]

Some of us have seen him play (he was wearing a helmet then) and can get a bit excited already.

I was trying to make a reference to the Tatum Bell thing a few years ago being called a bust because of his helmet fit....

...man, tough audience! ;)

[Arkansas Bronco]

I was trying to make a reference to the Tatum Bell thing a few years ago being called a bust because of his helmet fit....

...man, tough audience! ;)
Sorry im sick and am on decongestants and cough syrup with codine in it. I am a bit on edge.

[Pendejo]

I was trying to make a reference to the Tatum Bell thing a few years ago being called a bust because of his helmet fit....

...man, tough audience! ;)

Hah! In another thread I typed that Cutler was going to be a bust because his head made his helmet look small...or something to that effect.

[cutthemdown]

heres some more that are good. Both hated enemies.

[Jesterhole]

Dude can throw the ball hard and far, that we know. The question is, can he throw it accurately, on time, to the right guy, while facing a rush?

Can he move around in the pocket and make a play when things break down?

[Cito Pelon]

Dude can throw the ball hard and far, that we know. The question is, can he throw it accurately, on time, to the right guy, while facing a rush?

Can he move around in the pocket and make a play when things break down?

It's gonna be interesting to find out.

[oldschoolorange]

Throwing from the bench is not a good release point.

[cutthemdown]

discussing where a guys release point, throwing motion, how fast it gets out of hand etc is only one small part of evaluting a qb. This thread was really just to discuss high and low release points and what that can mean in a qbs development. It wasnt meant as a sure fire indicator of greatness.

[Lestat]

the release looks a bit like Manning's but pocket presence is more important than the release point

[~Crash~]

Find Elways and Marinos release . Before the draft everone was talking about him looking like Favre so find a pic of him also . then I would say you would be in the ball park. Why Elway because his form was perfict even as a Rookie.

[-Slap-]

Was just thinking the same thing. Probably not as many as Vince Young.

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/college/allsport/big12/texas/young_vince3.jpg
He's throwing the ball in this picture? It looks like he's trying to catch it one handed.

[MechanicalBull]

Find Elways and Marinos release . Before the draft everone was talking about him looking like Favre so find a pic of him also . then I would say you would be in the ball park. Why Elway because his form was perfict even as a Rookie.

Elway
http://bengals.enquirer.com/img/photos/1997/09/091597elway_303x500.jpg

Favre
http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/image/2001/camp/brett806.jpg

[watermock]

Dude can throw the ball hard and far, that we know. The question is, can he throw it accurately, on time, to the right guy, while facing a rush?

Can he move around in the pocket and make a play when things break down?

The kid got beaten and hurried by some of the best defensive teams in the country like Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, LSU and others yet kept getting up. He might have a babies bottom but evidently he's a tough SOB when he gets between the lines.

[Sodak]

Take a 6'5" QB, (or someone like Vince Young) who throws a little bit sidearmed.
The low point of release basically makes him throw like a 5'11" QB.

[cutthemdown]

the release looks a bit like Manning's but pocket presence is more important than the release point
Pocket presence is a mental aspect of playing qb. How are the instincts, can they feel the pressure without seeing it. Can they anticipate where the rush is coming from. I get all that. I just don't get what any of that has to do with the topic of this thread which is about the mechanics of a high release. Cutler release is nice and quick, very high with no wasted motion. That doesn't have anything to do with scrambling, pocket awareness etc. By showing the greats release I was just illustrating that Cutlers release is very high and compares to other mechanically sound qbs.

[Needa Pass Rush]

http://www.bcpix.com/qb1.jpg

[SouthStndJunkie]

Here are 2 guys with similar throwing motions:


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[youcandoit1687]

Here are 2 guys with similar throwing motions:


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haha! that is the napoleon dynamite guy right? i hate that movie but love things like this and the brodie coryle/napoleon dynamite pic

[Play2win]

Take a 6'5" QB, (or someone like Vince Young) who throws a little bit sidearmed.
The low point of release basically makes him throw like a 5'11" QB.
Which doesn't cut it in this league anymore. Unless they have Extream Intangibles. We'll see how VY's tallents translate to the NFL. See how he adapts to the speed of the NFL. Both Physically and Mentally...

[youcandoit1687]

Which doesn't cut it in this league anymore. Unless they have Extream Intangibles. We'll see how VY's tallents translate to the NFL. See how he adapts to the speed of the NFL. Both Physically and Mentally...

if they can get him out of the pocket, he should be alright. wahts mike vick, 6?

[Play2win]

if they can get him out of the pocket, he should be alright. wahts mike vick, 6?
VICK is quick and dynamic, very much like a Barry Sanders as to what he brings to the table...

I would like to know What Vince Young's Short Shuttle time is, or his 10 yard. I bet its not that good at all. Point is he is a Long-Strider. NFL Defenses Have been making their money taking care of Long-Striders for years. He curls more than makes cuts.

The thing that makes Vince Young real tough is that he is very hard to bring down. Alot like TO, actually. The real question is- will he be as hard to bring down at the NFL LEVEL. He played against some pretty good talent in college, BUT not all on the same team.

It will be interesting to watch. The thing that will save VY will be his toughness and that it is so hard to bring him down, It WON'T be his throwing ability or his running ability, and lord knows it won't be his throwing accuracy...

[Play2win]

A matter of a fact, VY would be a very good WR. He would probably be a hell of lot like TO...

[youcandoit1687]

VY has great accuracy. i hated the mike vick comparisons. vick jukes and spins and does crazy shi t. what vince does is he hits, accelerates, and gets around to the outside. much less likely to get injured. he uses his size to his advantage in that respect, not so much in his throwing motion. i had a dream about us drafting VY at 15 and turning him into a hybrid WR.

[DeusExManning]

Watch the film Cutler has a release like Marino, if Marino was Elway you get Cutler.

[SoCalBronco]

Watch the film Cutler has a release like Marino, if Marino was Elway you get Cutler.

Cutler > Norris

[DeusExManning]

Cutler > Norris
Which Norris?

[SoCalBronco]

Which Norris?

As if there could be more than (the great) one.

[Play2win]

Cutler > Bauer

[DeusExManning]

As if there could be more than (the great) one.


Dude I have witnessed Broncos history first hand. I have seen every quarterback the Broncos have had since 72 why am I missing it?

[Kaylore]

Watch the film Cutler has a release like Marino, if Marino was Elway you get Cutler.
Ok, I think we're getting carried away here.

[elsid13]

VY has great accuracy. i hated the mike vick comparisons. vick jukes and spins and does crazy shi t. what vince does is he hits, accelerates, and gets around to the outside. much less likely to get injured. he uses his size to his advantage in that respect, not so much in his throwing motion. i had a dream about us drafting VY at 15 and turning him into a hybrid WR.

Young is accuracy is the product of the spread system that he ran in college. That same style of system help Alex Smith two year ago. The problem with Young is poor mechanics. Young will struggle like 99.9% of the college QB that play primary shotgun, and then have to play under center in the pros. The best thing for him is that Voleck plays two years and let him develop. Titans did that with McNair, hopefully there is not to much pressure to play him to soon.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Brodie Croyle has an excellent release.

[elsid13]

Brodie Croyle has an excellent release.


We are not interested in your sex dreams.......

[Kaylore]

Brodie Croyle has an excellent release.
I agree. My favorite is how many times he has been able to release his bones from his ligaments in multiple parts of his body. Quite impressive.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I agree. My favorite is how many times he has been able to release his bones from his ligaments in multiple parts of his body. Quite impressive.

I knew that was coming.

[youcandoit1687]

Young is accuracy is the product of the spread system that he ran in college. That same style of system help Alex Smith two year ago. The problem with Young is poor mechanics. Young will struggle like 99.9% of the college QB that play primary shotgun, and then have to play under center in the pros. The best thing for him is that Voleck plays two years and let him develop. Titans did that with McNair, hopefully there is not to much pressure to play him to soon.

well no matter what system u run, u still gotta hit your receiver in the hands or numbers. no, im sure he struggles for a while until

A. they change that release(unlikely)
B. they bring in the first NFL shotgun offense
C. they figure out how to get him outside the pocket enough to complete the passes.

i think his deep ball will be ok for the most part because he can still see the receiver and put a big trajectory on it(unless the rush gets to him fast). its the short ball where hes going to get balls knocked down

[Cito Pelon]

Well, no doubt there will be some arguing going on in the next few years over Leinart, VY, and Cutler.

I'll stand up as a man and say I think VY will have a long career in the NFL. There's plenty of one-read QB's have made a name for themselves in the NFL. The kid has a fast release. It's not a high release, it's a fast release. Combine the fst release and his height, and he's gonna complete a lot of passes, period. If he can become a two read QB with that fast release, he could be a great one.

[youcandoit1687]

Well, no doubt there will be some arguing going on in the next few years over Leinart, VY, and Cutler.

I'll stand up as a man and say I think VY will have a long career in the NFL. There's plenty of one-read QB's have made a name for themselves in the NFL. The kid has a fast release. It's not a high release, it's a fast release. Combine the fst release and his height, and he's gonna complete a lot of passes, period. If he can become a two read QB with that fast release, he could be a great one.

if he stays a one read QB, hell have to make better reads at the line. i agree about the fast release. norm chow is a smart coach(gag) and will probly find a very affective way to use him, i think he would work well doing some sort of boot-play action to get him out of the pocket. i see the majority of his success being out of the pocket where his throwing height wont matter

[cutthemdown]

Brodie Croyle has an excellent release.
croyles release looks good

[Dudeskey]

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[Archie]

Blaspheme!!!

Elway is the greatest there ever was and the greatest there will ever be. I am sure Cutler will go on to have a great career in Denver. But he will never be as great as Elway.

You can never say never.... I don't expect it and am not suggesting it here - but I'll be damn happy in 16 years if we are talking about whether he was better then Elway - especially since Elway was the best ever (imho - so far). But the best ever is a title that can be taken away. I'd rather see it taken away by a Bronco then someone else.

[shakenbake]

Vy

[cutthemdown]

Vy
yeah funky release, cocked to the side and low.