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Bronco_Beerslug
05-26-2006, 06:42 AM
Sounds like a great idea to me!!

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GOP should terminate the Christian right
In the 1970s, Ronald Reagan made a pact with the Christian right, opening the anti-tax, anti-government, pro-defense GOP to the opponents of abortion rights. The coalition between economic and social conservatives animated his 1980 triumph and made the ensuing 10 years into a Republican decade.

But ever since, the Republican Party has paid the price for its coalition with the advocates of bedroom regulation. The Christian right has so alienated women that it has opened up a gender gap that often swells to more than 20 points, crippling Republican candidates.

The upset victory of Arnold Schwarzenegger in California shows what the Republican Party could do if it broke with the pro-lifers and abandoned their intrusive efforts to regulate private behavior. Moving to the center on the social issues, demonstrating a libertarian commitment to privacy, the actor/governor held the gender gap to less than 10 points, winning 43 percent of the female vote. Schwarzenegger won the top job in the solid Democratic state of California by carrying the women’s vote, a feat that would have been impossible had he embraced the social agenda of his party.

Schwarzenegger also abandoned other elements of his party’s national platform as he ran in one of America’s most liberal states. His environmental positions were so progressive that he drew the support of many of the state’s leading ecology advocates, particularly for his vocal support of hydrogen-fuel-cell cars. Rounding out his move to the center, he refused to fall into the anti-bilingual-education trap and appealed explicitly and effectively to Hispanic-American voters.

Despite his opposition to allowing illegal immigrants to have driver’s licenses and the fact that a Hispanic — Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante — was running against him, the Republican was able to win close to 40 percent of the Hispanic vote. Indeed, his lack of racism and his ecumenical appeal won him the backing of 17 percent of the state’s African-American voters, well above the performance more typical of white Republican candidates.

The Hollywood muscleman could only have won in a recall election. The unique nature of the contest made it possible for a moderate of his stripe to run. The blunt fact of Schwarzenegger’s victory is that he could never have won the Republican nomination had the election been a normal one with the usual primary process. He would have died the same death at the hands of the party’s true believers that Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan did in the 2002 election.

The primary electorate would have found Schwarzenegger’s moderation unacceptable and would have chosen nominees who could not win in the election.
The California Republican Party simply will not nominate anyone who can be elected and cannot elect anyone it nominates.

Had Schwarzenegger faced Tom McClintock in a Republican primary, his moderate positions would have handed victory to his right wing opponent, and the Democrats would still be in power in Sacramento.

It is about time that the Republican Party realizes that the Christian right is doing to it exactly what the radical black Rainbow Coalition of Jesse Jackson did to the Democratic Party in the ’80s — making them unelectable. Their embrace is the kiss of death. It is not that the religious right is wrong. Right or wrong, it gets in the way of so much good that the Republican Party could achieve if it were not in the Christian right’s grasp.

Will the Republican Party escape from the embrace of the pro-lifers so that it can nominate candidates like Rudy Giuliani, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice? Likely not. Those who see each election as an opportunity to hold candidates to litmus tests on key social issues are not likely to relinquish their hold or relax their vigilance.

The fact that this way lies defeat seems not to matter. The example of Arnold Schwarzenegger will likely make no impression as they proceed to drum out of the primary anyone whose views are sufficiently centrist to permit them access to the majority of women voters in the general election.

Dick Morris is the author of Off With Their Heads: Traitors, Crooks, and Obstructionists in American Politics, Media, and Business.

http://tinyurl.com/jrvy8

BroncoBuff
05-26-2006, 06:50 AM
In short, Rudy Giuliani.

Mile High Shack
05-26-2006, 07:00 AM
screw christians
lol
throw them to the lions
right slug?

Billy Clyde Puckett
05-26-2006, 07:33 AM
In short, Rudy Giuliani.

Not a terrible idea. He is the type of personality who could become a "healer" that we desperately need.

spdirty
05-26-2006, 07:51 AM
In short, Rudy Giuliani.

Well, if he isn't crooked, he might get my vote. Even if he is a social liberal.

Bronco_Beerslug
05-26-2006, 08:14 AM
screw christians
lol
throw them to the lions
right slug?

It is about time that the Republican Party realizes that the Christian right is doing to it exactly what the radical black Rainbow Coalition of Jesse Jackson did to the Democratic Party in the ’80s — making them unelectable. Their embrace is the kiss of death. It is not that the religious right is wrong. Right or wrong, it gets in the way of so much good that the Republican Party could achieve if it were not in the Christian right’s grasp.

myshkingfh
05-26-2006, 08:37 AM
The Christian Right brings the Republican party an awful lot of votes, and casting them aside would open a lot of the reddest states to Democratic contention (assuming they were to run Democratic pro-life candidates). Really, the problems the republicans are having right now are from their pro-business and pro-war factions. If you get rid of them all you really have left are the libertarians and I imagine that after the Bush administration's work on the first, fourth, fifth and sixth amendments the libertarians aren't so happy with the Republican party either.

Schwartzenegger's approval ratings, fwiw, aren't much higher than Bush's.

Crushaholic
05-26-2006, 04:27 PM
Bush's perceived missteps on issues such as the war, economy and illegal immigration are what are dooming the Republicans, not the "religious right". In order for the GOP to take back the country, they need to have a candidate who can straighten out the PR disaster. That doesn't necessarily mean move away from the "religious right". The USA is still a country who believes in God and godly values.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2006, 04:33 PM
Bush's perceived missteps...

"Perceived?"

:laugh:

NOLA Bronco
05-26-2006, 04:33 PM
Well, if he isn't crooked, he might get my vote. Even if he is a social liberal.


Well he did screw around on his wife.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2006, 04:36 PM
Well he did screw around on his wife.

Screwing around on your wife is OK if you're a republican leading the charge to impeach a Democratic president for screwing around on his wife.

;)

spdirty
05-26-2006, 05:52 PM
Screwing around on your wife is OK if you're a republican leading the charge to impeach a Democratic president for screwing around on his wife.

;)

And who did that?

enjolras
05-26-2006, 08:32 PM
A republican party divorced from 'values issues' would certainly get my vote on just about every subject. I'll never understand why so many citizens are so damn concerned about what other citizens do. I just don't see how you can support social regulation while waxing poetic about how 'they hate us cause we're free' at the very same time. You can really only have it one way or the other.

Spider
05-26-2006, 09:04 PM
And who did that?
Henery Hyde , Bob Barr .............Just for starters , there was a list of them in Hustler mag ........

gunns
05-26-2006, 09:17 PM
In short, Rudy Giuliani.

Not if you're looking for the woman's vote. Most of us women haven't forgotten how his ex-wife got her divorce papers.

spdirty
05-26-2006, 10:26 PM
Henery Hyde , Bob Barr .............Just for starters , there was a list of them in Hustler mag ........

You read the Hustler articles then use it as your source??LOL

DORK!!!!!!!!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-26-2006, 10:45 PM
Henery Hyde , Bob Barr ....................

Thanks for playing substitute teacher in my absence. ;) ;D

BTW, Newt is on your list, too.

Crushaholic
05-27-2006, 12:47 AM
"Perceived?"

:laugh:

Yes...perceived. The war in Iraq is going better than the media is giving it credit for. Iraq has a new government and is on its way to stability. However, the perception among the American public is that we are stuck in a quagmire.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-27-2006, 01:47 AM
Yes...perceived. The war in Iraq is going better than the media is giving it credit for. Iraq has a new government and is on its way to stability. However, the perception among the American public is that we are stuck in a quagmire.

:rofl:

Scotty McClellan?

Is that you?

I thought you resigned.

gunns
05-27-2006, 11:48 AM
Yes...perceived. The war in Iraq is going better than the media is giving it credit for. Iraq has a new government and is on its way to stability. However, the perception among the American public is that we are stuck in a quagmire.


LOL

There's over exaggeration on both sides. But if you really think that we are ever going to be able to leave with a new government in place that is stable you are seriously deluded.

Spider
05-27-2006, 03:16 PM
Yes...perceived. The war in Iraq is going better than the media is giving it credit for. Iraq has a new government and is on its way to stability. However, the perception among the American public is that we are stuck in a quagmire.
I see , so if everything is going well our Greenzone should be huge .......... bout time to come home then

Crushaholic
05-28-2006, 01:18 AM
LOL

There's over exaggeration on both sides. But if you really think that we are ever going to be able to leave with a new government in place that is stable you are seriously deluded.

Why not? Once the Iraqi military is trained to handle their own affairs, it's quite possible we can leave with the Iraq government stable.

gunns
05-28-2006, 03:15 AM
Why not? Once the Iraqi military is trained to handle their own affairs, it's quite possible we can leave with the Iraq government stable.

You truly think we can get rid of the insurgents? They are never ending and if we can't handle them along with the Iraqi's, I don't see anything becoming stable. You could only believe this if you believe that nothing the media reports is true and what Bush reports is true.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-28-2006, 05:46 AM
You truly think we can get rid of the insurgents? They are never ending and if we can't handle them along with the Iraqi's, I don't see anything becoming stable. You could only believe this if you believe that nothing the media reports is true and what Bush reports is true.

Exactly.

Bin Laden and his protégés have a long, long depth chart when it comes to radical Islamic whack jobs who can't wait to get to Allah.

And, three years later, the most powerful military in the world hasn't been able to stop the insurgency, and Crushaholic thinks some half-assed Iraqi police force (recruited and paid by a U.S. puppet government) is going to do the job?

I guess I need to remind myself that Crushaholic and the rest of the Bush Youth here are too young to remember Vietnam and "Vietnamization."

W*GS
05-28-2006, 02:31 PM
What was Howard Dean doing on Pat Robertson's TV show recently, anyway? Why is he (and his party) schmoozing with the Enemy?

Any ideas, LABF? Spider?

Spider
05-28-2006, 02:37 PM
You read the Hustler articles then use it as your source??LOL

DORK!!!!!!!!
after the money Larry Flint spent to find out this info .......... you could continue on Washing Dishes where you work for the rest of your life and still not come close to the $$ Flint spent to find out about those hollier then thou hypocrits ;D

Spider
05-28-2006, 02:40 PM
What was Howard Dean doing on Pat Robertson's TV show recently, anyway? Why is he (and his party) schmoozing with the Enemy?

Any ideas, LABF? Spider?
who cares ? . seriously who cares what Dean does or doesnt do ?
Could it be Dean was building a Bridge to the other side to heal wounds ?
Curious there Ward , whats your take ? somthing sinister like Little Eichmans planning another SS party ?

W*GS
05-28-2006, 02:49 PM
Perhaps Dean realizes that his constant demonization of evangelicals won't help the Democrats regain power. Or maybe his appearance was nothing more a laughably pathetic attempt at PR.

Spider
05-28-2006, 02:55 PM
Perhaps Dean realizes that his constant demonization of evangelicals won't help the Democrats regain power. Or maybe his appearance was nothing more a laughably pathetic attempt at PR.
or perhaps he was invited on the show and said yes .............. Naw that couldnt be it

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-28-2006, 05:41 PM
who cares ? . seriously who cares what Dean does or doesnt do ?

That's the lunacy of W*GS for you.

The bus is headed for the ruts, and he wants to blame anyone but the guy (read: Bush and the republicans) behind the metaphorical wheel.