SoCal, Jason, and any other LA people...

[RhymesayersDU]

OK, so I'm listening to Jim Rome this morning, and he's talking about a possible NFL franchise in LA. He goes on to explain, at length, that the people of Los Angeles do not care at all about football.

Here's what I don't get... Why is that? I've heard that the stadium is in a bad area and other reasons, but the point Jim was making today was that simply LA folks don't care about the NFL.

How is that possible? As far as I can tell, LA loves their Dodgers, loves their Lakers, (and Clippers too if the team keeps winning) and loves their Kings. It's not like LA isn't a sports town. Maybe I'm off base, but I don't get how a city with all these other teams could simply "not care" about the NFL.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, and perhaps I'm too young to remember the drama when two NFL teams bolted... But hell, I don't get how that city could simply not care for the NFL, when they seem to love all their other sports.

Thoughts?

[ludo21]

Jim Rome is an idiot.

[RhymesayersDU]

Jim Rome is an idiot.
I knew that was coming.

[ludo21]

I knew that was coming.


:rofl: LOL Ha!

I dont like the guy at all, gets on my nerves, I know you do tho.

All Ive heard from LA-ers is that they love the NFL, so im not sure what Rome is talking about.

[-Slap-]

Los Angeles football fans supported the Rams for 40 years. Unfortunately, Georgia Frontirere killed all the good will Carroll Rosenbloom built up with Los Angelenos as surely as she killed the man himself.

Al Davis and the corrupt politicians on the Coliseum Commission completely destroyed the faith of any remaining football fans in LA.

The next team that moves there, I predict it will be Tampa Bay, will do very well.

[ICON]

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Jim Rome is an idiot ^5

[RhymesayersDU]

Los Angeles football fans supported the Rams for 40 years. Unfortunately, Georgia Frontirere killed all the good will Carroll Rosenbloom built up with Los Angelenos as surely as she killed the man himself.

Al Davis and the corrupt politicians on the Coliseum Commission completely destroyed the faith of any remaining football fans in LA.

The next team that moves there, I predict it will be Tampa Bay, will do very well.
So, it's not that people don't care... It's that they've been dicked around with so much over the years. Interesting.

[PatsWin2002]

Los Angeles football fans supported the Rams for 40 years. Unfortunately, Georgia Frontirere killed all the good will Carroll Rosenbloom built up with Los Angelenos as surely as she killed the man himself.

Al Davis and the corrupt politicians on the Coliseum Commission completely destroyed the faith of any remaining football fans in LA.

The next team that moves there, I predict it will be Tampa Bay, will do very well.


I think that's it right there.

Also, LA is like no other place in that so many of its people are from somewhere else and probably already have a team to follow.

[ludo21]

I think that's it right there.

Also, LA is like no other place in that so many of its people are from somewhere else and probably already have a team to follow.


No thats AZ :giggle:

Seriously 9/10 here are transplants. Sometimes 10/10. Its just insane, yet really fun!

[brncs_fan]

OK, so I'm listening to Jim Rome this morning, and he's talking about a possible NFL franchise in LA. He goes on to explain, at length, that the people of Los Angeles do not care at all about football.

Here's what I don't get... Why is that? I've heard that the stadium is in a bad area and other reasons, but the point Jim was making today was that simply LA folks don't care about the NFL.

How is that possible? As far as I can tell, LA loves their Dodgers, loves their Lakers, (and Clippers too if the team keeps winning) and loves their Kings. It's not like LA isn't a sports town. Maybe I'm off base, but I don't get how a city with all these other teams could simply "not care" about the NFL.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, and perhaps I'm too young to remember the drama when two NFL teams bolted... But hell, I don't get how that city could simply not care for the NFL, when they seem to love all their other sports.

Thoughts?
The second larget city in America could surely fill a 60,000-70,000 seat stadium 8 Sundays a year.

[jossjeff]

I will never....ever...ever...ever...vote for Tax dollars to help fund the NFL empire.

An owner is looking for a handout? Sign a 30 year lease and we will talk. Don't expect a city as ****ed up as LA to fund your pet project only to have you threatening to move in 8 years.

The roads are **** in LA, the school system is falling apart, massive racial tensions, budget cuts everywhere and we are gonna shell out 600 mil or so for a football stadium?

Nice priorities.

This applies to the Raiders returning as well.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.

[PatsWin2002]

I will never....ever...ever...ever...vote for Tax dollars to help fund the NFL empire.

An owner is looking for a handout? Sign a 30 year lease and we will talk. Don't expect a city as ****ed up as LA to fund your pet project only to have you threatening to move in 8 years.

The roads are **** in LA, the school system is falling apart, massive racial tensions, budget cuts everywhere and we are gonna shell out 600 mil or so for a football stadium?

Nice priorities.

This applies to the Raiders returning as well.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.

I agree with you there.

Bob Kraft had to build his own stadium and he's doing just fine. :)

[PatsWin2002]

From today's PFW:

http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Spins/2006/spins052406.htm

DeBartolo buying back in?

PFW asks associate editor Jeff Reynolds for his take on the NFL’s hottest topics.

Report: DeBartolo, Policy could reunite with L.A. expansion team

Published reports on Wednesday are linking the NFL’s potential Los Angeles expansion franchise to a few familiar faces — former 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo Jr. and team president Carmen Policy. Moreover, Sports Illustrated will release a story that goes one step further, stating that the team would like to reclaim the “Raiders” name from Oakland owner Al Davis, who used to share the Bay Area with the former Niners brass.

PFW: What should be made of the DeBartolo-Policy news?

Reynolds: At this point, it’s too early to consider the reports news. The particulars of the story are still very murky, and the uncertainty might not be cleared up any time soon. However, there are league sources who are saying that DeBartolo wants back in, claiming he’s made a run at both the Buccaneers’ and Saints’ ownership positions. The question doesn’t appear to be if DeBartolo will buy back in, it’s where and when. The California native — DeBartolo owns a 10-acre vineyard in Northern California and is a billionaire who erected a real-estate empire — would love to operate a club in his home state. With the Chargers, Raiders, 49ers and others (Saints, Jaguars, Vikings) facing financial strife or stadium issues, Los Angeles could get a team sooner than expected, especially if the typical expansion scenario becomes moot. But DeBartolo’s desire to return to the league is apparent, and it could be only a matter of time before the motivated businessman makes the deal he likes.

[jossjeff]

I agree with you there.

Bob Kraft had to build his own stadium and he's doing just fine. :)

Kraft is a model owner.

Keep in mind this is Raiderfan talking.

It just never ceases to amaze the number of city officials willing to bend over and grab their ankles all for the opportunity to get raped by the NFL.

LA is doing just fine without the NFL.

I still get to watch the Raider games on TV, when I wish to attend a game I fly up to Oakland for the weekend. I will also say for the record that LA crowds don't have a thing on the Oakland crowd.

Gangbangers suck.

Believe me when I say that nobody in this city really gives a crap. The NFL needs us more than we need them.

[CBF1]

I live in LA county and to be honest I do not really care if we get a team in LA. When the raiders were here they could never get 3/4 capacity . If I remember right even Anahiem (Rams) had problems filling the stadium. LA is a strange place for professional sports teams. Unless you are winning all of the time, fans just do not find it worthwhile to attend. I have attended more Bronco games over the past 3 years than I have been to a local venue. I like the Lakers but the Staples Center is a pain in the ass to get to with all the traffic and is in a pretty bad neighborhood... Anyone remember the riots after the Lakers won the title in 2000?

The only team that seems to attract crowds on a regular basis is the LA Dodgers, I attribute that to it being a fairly inexpensive game to attend and they draw a rather large contingent of hispanics to the games... But fans are always showing up late (2-4th) inning and leaving way before the game is over. One of the problems is that the LA sports commission or who ever is in charge of getting a football team is that they have a hard on for making the LA Colisium the focal point of any team we might get. That place is old, huge and was not built to view football games. It sits in a real bad part of town (I was mugged in front of it back when I was 13) and my uncle had his car stolen there years ago. I guess if you are looking to buy crack or meth it is a good place to visit:)

Does LA want a NFL team? My guess is that by the number of people who attend city meetings or those that voice opinions in the papers or on the radio the answer is.... NOT REALLY. Like I said, I could care less.

[Rohirrim]

Judging by how many show up for USC and UCLA games, I'd say there's quite a few football fans in L.A.

[CBF1]

Judging by how many show up for USC and UCLA games, I'd say there's quite a few football fans in L.A.

Wrong..... just as in Florida, these people are alumni and college football fans. Does not mean they will or are NFL fans. SC and UCLA go back over 100 years and they are a huge rivalry locally. I am telling you, unless you live here and have been exposed to it... most people in LA could care less if we get a team or not.

[Popps]

L.A. isn't a sports town.

There are a lot of people here, but it's hardly a sports town. Moved down from the Bay Area a few years ago. Definitely more of a sports area up there. (Sorry "Romie.") Lived in the midwest growing up, where people bleed sports from their pores.

But, despite the passive nature of the fans down here... there are enough people to warrant a franchise, from a business standpoint. I think other cities are more deserving, but wouldn't be able to generate the $$ the L.A. market would.

[Popps]

Judging by how many show up for USC and UCLA games, I'd say there's quite a few football fans in L.A.

Kids and alumni. Pretty different from a stand-alone franchise, in my opinion.

The difference between L.A. and Denver is that if the Broncos are losing, the place will still be packed. If the L.A. _______'s are losing, the place will be half-full, and only for most of the 2nd and 3rd quarters.

[Jason in LA]

Jim Rome is way off base. LA has more football fans than just about anywhere. It seems like that isn't the case because there isn't one team that's being supported by the masses.

In Denver, everybody is a Broncos fans. Everybody is on the same bandwagon, so it appears that it's a football crazy town, which it is. Same can be said for KC, GB, and many other cities.

But in LA/OC, there are a boat load of transplants. Look at Charger games. A good 30% of the fans at Charger games are rooting for the other team. When ever the Raiders or Niners play there it's like a home game for those teams.

Because everybody has their own teams, it appears that nobody cares.

I stopped in a sports bar in Denver, the day before a Broncos game. I saw a number of Bronco jerseys. I go to sports bars on Sundays here in LA all the time. I rarely see two people wearing the same jersey. There are always jerseys from a number of different teams. I rarely have watched a Broncos game with another Broncos fan.

There's like 13 million people in this area. You could probably say more, because there really isn't any open land between LA and San Diego. There are a boat load of football fans here.

[Jason in LA]

One other point is USC and UCLA. USC averaged 92,000 people last year. That's higher than any NFL team. UCLA averaged about 65,000, which is around the NFL average. UCLA's numbers are hurt a bit because of the quarter system. School doesn't get in until the final week of September, sometimes the first week in October. So the student section is nearly empty for the first 2 home games.

The attendance numbers for those two teams shows that LA is football crazy.

The two teams rarely play a home game on the same day. But when they do, a good 155,000+ fans will attend a football game that day. With that many fans watching football in one day, there is no way somebody can say that LA doesn't care about football.

I stopped listening to Jim Rome a long time ago. I can see why. In the mornings I listen to Collin Cowherd on ESPN Radio. He's pretty good.

[Jason in LA]

L.A. isn't a sports town.

There are a lot of people here, but it's hardly a sports town. Moved down from the Bay Area a few years ago. Definitely more of a sports area up there. (Sorry "Romie.") Lived in the midwest growing up, where people bleed sports from their pores.

But, despite the passive nature of the fans down here... there are enough people to warrant a franchise, from a business standpoint. I think other cities are more deserving, but wouldn't be able to generate the $$ the L.A. market would.

That's just not true.

The Dodgers and Angles combined out draw the Yankees and Mets. The Lakers and Clippers combined out draw the Knicks and the Nets. UCLA and USC football are slighty less than the Giants and Jets.

LA has the highest fan attendance out of any area in the country. Probably in the world.

How is that not a sports town?

What city is more deserving?

[Jason in LA]

The difference between L.A. and Denver is that if the Broncos are losing, the place will still be packed. If the L.A. _______'s are losing, the place will be half-full, and only for most of the 2nd and 3rd quarters.

The Dodgers haven't done anything of note in years, and they are always in the top 5 in attendance. In a lot of years the only team that outdraws them are the Yankees.

The Lakers sucked last year, but there attendance was still about the same as it was during the championship run. This year the attendance was about the same.

People always say that the attendance will go up when the team is good. That didn't really happen for the Clippers. They were above .500 the entire year, and they only had a slight increase in attendance.

Most of the stuff people say about LA sports just isn't true.

[RaiderH8r]

LA also presents every owner in the league a great leverage position as a threat to move if a stadium deal doesn't get done.

[watermock]

The 32 team format is just fine IMO. I could care less what they do with L.A.

The obvious is to place Oakland there but I just don't care. I don't think L.A. does either.

[PatsWin2002]

The Dodgers and Angles combined out draw the Yankees and Mets.

Really? I never would've thought that.

[Kaylore]

The next team that moves there, I predict it will be Tampa Bay, will do very well. You really think so? I would have picked the Jags before I chose the Bucs if we had to choose one of the Florida teams.

I personally think it will be the Boltz. They aren't getting any help from San diego, they are already a California team, and they are in sore need of a new Stadium.

[FantomForce]

Rome is still upset that he got his a$$ kicked by form L.A. Ram Jim Everett, cuz he kept calling him Cris Everett the tennis player. Romey got his a$$ kicked and lost his job on ESPN2 at the time way to hold a grudge idiot!
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[Rohirrim]

Wrong..... just as in Florida, these people are alumni and college football fans. Does not mean they will or are NFL fans. SC and UCLA go back over 100 years and they are a huge rivalry locally. I am telling you, unless you live here and have been exposed to it... most people in LA could care less if we get a team or not.

I was born and raised there and was a Rams fan while they played at the Colisseum. I believe L.A. would support an NFL team if the stadium was put in the right place, and that ain't anywhere near downtown. IMO, near the intersection of the San Diego Freeway and the Harbor Freeway would be just right, WITH AMPLE PARKING. One of the reasons I think the Dodgers do so well is that they have a dedicated facility with plenty of parking and tons of parking ushers. It's easy to get in and get out. The Colisseum absolutely sucks. Every trip you are looking for parking all over this seedy neighborhood from all the local scalpers in their back yards, business lots, etc. It's a major pain in the ass.

Let's face it, it's a friggin bear to get anywhere in L.A. at any time. If you make it more of a hassle than its worth, people will just stay at home and watch the games there. You have to make it a destination place, like Dodger Stadium. L.A. is car heaven. You've got to build for that.

[Jason in LA]

I'd say the Saints are going to move into the Colisuem, and the Chargers are going to move into a new stadium next to Angles stadium in the OC.

The Niners might try to move down here.

[Jason in LA]

I was born and raised there and was a Rams fan while they played at the Colisseum. I believe L.A. would support an NFL team if the stadium was put in the right place, and that ain't anywhere near downtown. IMO, near the intersection of the San Diego Freeway and the Harbor Freeway would be just right, WITH AMPLE PARKING. One of the reasons I think the Dodgers do so well is that they have a dedicated facility with plenty of parking and tons of parking ushers. It's easy to get in and get out. The Colisseum absolutely sucks. Every trip you are looking for parking all over this seedy neighborhood from all the local scalpers in their back yards, business lots, etc. It's a major pain in the ass.

Let's face it, it's a friggin bear to get anywhere in L.A. at any time. If you make it more of a hassle than its worth, people will just stay at home and watch the games there. You have to make it a destination place, like Dodger Stadium. L.A. is car heaven. You've got to build for that.

92,000 people watch USC play. The Lakers, Clipper, and Kings all get good attendance, and they play just up the street.

Parking is a major issue. There are plans to add parking structures around the stadium.

[Rohirrim]

I'd say the Saints are going to move into the Colisuem, and the Chargers are going to move into a new stadium next to Angles stadium in the OC.

The Niners might try to move down here.

The Niners? To the old Rams' fans, that would be like the Raiders building a stadium across the freeway from Mile High. Yucck! :spit:

[Jason in LA]

From what I heard, the Niners are going to be able to get out of their stadium deal at about the same time a new stadium will open up. The timing is perfect.

[CBF1]

Just say NO to a NFL team in LA.... Unless it is a AFC west team :)

[OrangeBong]

It is not a matter of Fan support but funding for the stadiums. Other cities will pay for Stadium upgrades in fear of losing a their professional team, but LA has so many pro teams plus a huge marketing population that it has the leverage to avoid placing tax money to fund a stadium.

Dodger stadium is owned by the Dodgers and they pay for their own upgrades, The Staples Center was built utilizing private funding, Angel stadium renovations were mainly paid for by Disney when they owned the Angels. If you take a trip to either the Coliseum or Rose Bowl they both almost look like identical to the old 100 year old pictures of when they were first built.

If you think LA fans can’t support a team then take a look at the Clippers. This organization has been the laughing stock of all professional teams for decades, but they are one of the most profitable ($$$) teams in the NBA. LA is playing it smart because they know the NFL will make an enormous profit by just having a team in the Largest West Coast Media city. LA is requiring the NFL to pay for the renovations or a new stadium just like all the rest of LA's Pro teams.

I predict LA will have two NFL teams to mirror what they already have with the NBA, NHL, MLB, & MLS pro teams. I believe the Saints and Bolts will be sharing the same city real soon.

[DBroncos4life]

Judging by how many show up for USC and UCLA games, I'd say there's quite a few football fans in L.A.
I doubt Nebraska would care half as much about a NFL team as they do NU if the state had a pro team. just saying :)

[Orange_Beard]

:rofl: LOL Ha!

I dont like the guy at all, gets on my nerves, I know you do tho.


When you call a guy in idiot, you don't need to explain.

[The Big E]

Jim Rome is way off base. LA has more football fans than just about anywhere. It seems like that isn't the case because there isn't one team that's being supported by the masses.

In Denver, everybody is a Broncos fans. Everybody is on the same bandwagon, so it appears that it's a football crazy town, which it is. Same can be said for KC, GB, and many other cities.

But in LA/OC, there are a boat load of transplants. Look at Charger games. A good 30% of the fans at Charger games are rooting for the other team. When ever the Raiders or Niners play there it's like a home game for those teams.

Because everybody has their own teams, it appears that nobody cares.

I stopped in a sports bar in Denver, the day before a Broncos game. I saw a number of Bronco jerseys. I go to sports bars on Sundays here in LA all the time. I rarely see two people wearing the same jersey. There are always jerseys from a number of different teams. I rarely have watched a Broncos game with another Broncos fan.

There's like 13 million people in this area. You could probably say more, because there really isn't any open land between LA and San Diego. There are a boat load of football fans here.
I totally agree with you, Jason. The range of sports that are supported here is very wide, and the fact is most people are from somewhere else and continue to support their hometown teams.

The Raiders experience here sucked because they attracted a thug crowd, and it kept a lot of potential fans away.

[elsid13]

I think that's it right there.

Also, LA is like no other place in that so many of its people are from somewhere else and probably already have a team to follow.

Try DC and surrounding areas, and yet the skins have one of the most faithfully following in the entire League. I think that the right team will be positive thing in LA scene . When the Chargers move there with established stars, the city will become football crazy

[Swedish Extrovert]

Rome is still upset that he got his a$$ kicked by form L.A. Ram Jim Everett, cuz he kept calling him Cris Everett the tennis player. Romey got his a$$ kicked and lost his job on ESPN2 at the time way to hold a grudge idiot!
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Yeah what the **** was up with that?

[Jason in LA]

It is not a matter of Fan support but funding for the stadiums. Other cities will pay for Stadium upgrades in fear of losing a their professional team, but LA has so many pro teams plus a huge marketing population that it has the leverage to avoid placing tax money to fund a stadium.

Dodger stadium is owned by the Dodgers and they pay for their own upgrades, The Staples Center was built utilizing private funding, Angel stadium renovations were mainly paid for by Disney when they owned the Angels. If you take a trip to either the Coliseum or Rose Bowl they both almost look like identical to the old 100 year old pictures of when they were first built.

If you think LA fans can’t support a team then take a look at the Clippers. This organization has been the laughing stock of all professional teams for decades, but they are one of the most profitable ($$$) teams in the NBA. LA is playing it smart because they know the NFL will make an enormous profit by just having a team in the Largest West Coast Media city. LA is requiring the NFL to pay for the renovations or a new stadium just like all the rest of LA's Pro teams.

I predict LA will have two NFL teams to mirror what they already have with the NBA, NHL, MLB, & MLS pro teams. I believe the Saints and Bolts will be sharing the same city real soon.

Very good post.

Most cities dream to do what LA has done. That's beat the NFL. People from other cities cry when the owner of that team asks for public money. They tell that owner to pay for it himself. But when that owner says that he's going to move the team, the city ponies up big time. That's what Pat Bowlen did.

LA, on the other hand, lets two teams walk. LA has never given in to the NFL. This city has stuck to their guns. They said no tax payer money would be spent, and it's not.

The NFL has tried to wait it out, thinking the city would give in. Nope, hasn't happened. The NFL doesn't want to wait any longer, so they are going to flip the bill for the stadium. The NFL has given in. They are the ones making all the money, so they should be the ones to pony up.

It's a trip that people from around the country hate LA for doing what they wish their city could have done.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Well here's the deal, LA has 9 million people in it's metro area... Denver less than 3 million.

LA is 3 times the size as Denver, which means if they can only get 1/3 the support, they should be filling arenas and selling merch.

[youcandoit1687]

I doubt Nebraska would care half as much about a NFL team as they do NU if the state had a pro team. just saying :)

im not quite sure. u would have said the same about louisiana but they are behind their saints or were before katrina implications. i dont think LA fans are as loyal as big red fans. ive been to the CWS in omaha and know neb fans and they are loyal and loyal in big numbers. i know one loyal UCLA fan and know very few loyal u$c fans(it takes a while to sift through the BSers with their three pete BS shirts but thats another story). one of those is a former player tim mcdonald.


back in the 80s when u$c was mediocre, hardly any fans went to games. my parents went to a LSU game there and they split about 8k LSU fans into about 8 sections and the fans were still louder than the u$c fans.

o and a side note. speaking of usc, does anybody know the significance/rarity of college head coaches coming to HS practices in the spring. last year we had pete carroll(in town for some u$c alumni thing at tim's restaurant) and today we had pat hill(fresno st.)

[-Slap-]

Kraft is a model owner.

Keep in mind this is Raiderfan talking.

It just never ceases to amaze the number of city officials willing to bend over and grab their ankles all for the opportunity to get raped by the NFL.

LA is doing just fine without the NFL.

I still get to watch the Raider games on TV, when I wish to attend a game I fly up to Oakland for the weekend. I will also say for the record that LA crowds don't have a thing on the Oakland crowd.

Gangbangers suck.

Believe me when I say that nobody in this city really gives a crap. The NFL needs us more than we need them.
This post is not intended to be inflammatory.

The Raiders bears partial responsibility for the types of crowds they attracted in Los Angeles. Its true many factors were beyond their control, such as the crime ridden area where the Coliseum resides and the affinity gangbangers show for the color black.*

However, the Raiders came swaggering into town in 1983 and promptly upset Washington in the Super Bowl. They had a reputation for being a rebel franchise and they reveled in that aura. This may have helped them from a competitive standpoint, at least until Al Davis completely alienated the rest of the League owners.

Unfortunately, Raiders management sat back impassively when the thug element totally invaded the Coliseum. I think they thought they were going to pick up some type of intimidation factor to use against visiting teams. Pretty stupid since the seats are too far from the field and it takes more than 90K to fill the place and make any real noise. Unfortunately the intimidation factor worked all too well in the stands. Opposing fans were taking their lives in their hands by wearing their teams' colors and families quickly vanished from the stadium. This brought down the attendance numbers further and only increased the problem. The Raiders should have spent more money on security and done a better job of distancing themselves from the criminal element who embraced their organization.

*This certainly doesn't excuse that smarmy flamflam man Bruce McNall for changing the Kings' colors to black and silver to cash in on the lucrative gangbanger market in Los Angeles. Lowlife piece of trash.

[minibronco]

Jim Rome is an idiot.

But the problem might be though, not that we don't care about football, but that we care too much about football that most of them will stay loyal to whatever team they're fans of (i.e. Raiders, Chargers) and not support the new LA team.

And if they get some name like the "Avengers", the forget about it. :)

[TheManeMan]

The fact of the matter is that the fanbase for a football team here in LA could be a disaster...Los Angeles is a melting pot filled with people from all around the world, including various cities across the States, many from different football cities...this is what I am getting at...Joe Schmoe from Miami decides one day that he's going to pursue his career in acting...He's a huge Dolphins fan...he now lives in LA and on Sundays Joe heads over to the local sports bar to watch his Dolphins play...He's been loyal to the Dolphins for most of his life...Why would he change his football team just because he moved to another city...He wouldnt start routing for a team like the Anaheim Chargers or the Los Angeles Saints and dump the Dolphins ya know?...I hope that made sense...

[Crushaholic]

Jim Rome is an idiot.

But the problem might be though, not that we don't care about football, but that we care too much about football that most of them will stay loyal to whatever team they're fans of (i.e. Raiders, Chargers) and not support the new LA team.

And if they get some name like the "Avengers", the forget about it. :)

Did you just say "Charger fans"?:rofl: ROFL! ??? :laugh:

[24champ]

Just say NO to a NFL team in LA.... Unless it is a AFC west team :)
I hope and think the Chargers stay put because I like the area and beaches in SD. I believe they are moving to Chula Vista and another site possibly mentioned forget where though??? Anyway Raiders burned all bridges to LA and the chefs got a stadium deal done.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Los Angeles is a melting pot filled with people from all around the world, including various cities across the States, many from different football cities...this is what I am getting at...Joe Schmoe from Miami decides one day that he's going to pursue his career in acting...He's a huge Dolphins fan...he now lives in LA and on Sundays Joe heads over to the local sports bar to watch his Dolphins play...He's been loyal to the Dolphins for most of his life...Why would he change his football team just because he moved to another city...He wouldnt start routing for a team like the Anaheim Chargers or the Los Angeles Saints and dump the Dolphins ya know?...I hope that made sense...

The same situation as Denver. Not many "Natives" here. I grew up a die hard Lions/Packers fan, but liked Broncos from the minute I knew I was moving to this area 34 years ago. Took about 10 years for me to lose all interest in the old teams.

[Jason in LA]

Not too long ago I heard that 50% of the LA/OC residents are from some place else. I thought that number sounded a bit high, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

I'd say that would help fill up the stadium. It helps the Chargers fill up their stadium. The Chargers get a good 20,000 fans from the oposing team each week.

LA might get more because there are a lot more fans here.

[OrangeBong]

Not too long ago I heard that 50% of the LA/OC residents are from some place else. I thought that number sounded a bit high, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

I'd say that would help fill up the stadium. It helps the Chargers fill up their stadium. The Chargers get a good 20,000 fans from the oposing team each week.

LA might get more because there are a lot more fans here.


Your 100% correct. We also have to consider why people move their families to LA from their home towns.

This is usually due to job opportunities that pay much greater then what is available in their home town. People just do not pack up and leave the comfort of their home town for a more expensive cost of living LA life style unless they are financially stable. Of course we can make the exception to the people with high hopes in making it in the entertainment industry.

The league is just losing out with tens of thousands of transplant LA NFL fans making more cash in a city without an NFL team along with an enormous local population. The only negative to NFL owners is they will lose the “we will move to LA” in their negotiation for a tax funded new stadiums/renovations.

If we think about it, not having a Team in LA has been costly to tax payers/NFL fans of other cities that have gave in to the pressure of the NFL by upgrading or building a new stadium with local tax dollars. LA is setting an example on how to deal with the NFL while other cities fold and fork over millions of tax dollars in fear of losing their beloved teams.

[jossjeff]

This post is not intended to be inflammatory.

The Raiders bears partial responsibility for the types of crowds they attracted in Los Angeles. Its true many factors were beyond their control, such as the crime ridden area where the Coliseum resides and the affinity gangbangers show for the color black.*

However, the Raiders came swaggering into town in 1983 and promptly upset Washington in the Super Bowl. They had a reputation for being a rebel franchise and they reveled in that aura. This may have helped them from a competitive standpoint, at least until Al Davis completely alienated the rest of the League owners.

Unfortunately, Raiders management sat back impassively when the thug element totally invaded the Coliseum. I think they thought they were going to pick up some type of intimidation factor to use against visiting teams. Pretty stupid since the seats are too far from the field and it takes more than 90K to fill the place and make any real noise. Unfortunately the intimidation factor worked all too well in the stands. Opposing fans were taking their lives in their hands by wearing their teams' colors and families quickly vanished from the stadium. This brought down the attendance numbers further and only increased the problem. The Raiders should have spent more money on security and done a better job of distancing themselves from the criminal element who embraced their organization.

*This certainly doesn't excuse that smarmy flamflam man Bruce McNall for changing the Kings' colors to black and silver to cash in on the lucrative gangbanger market in Los Angeles. Lowlife piece of trash.

This post is not intended to be inflammatory.

LOL

Relax dude, I'm a Raider fan that is a fairly regular poster on a rival teams board. Your post doesn't even begin to approach inflammitory.

And I agree with much of what you said.

The Raider should stay in Oakland, I am an LA guy and I think they belong there.

Piece of **** gangbangers came out on Sunday just to start trouble. there was a huge fight that made the front page of the LA Times back in the day that happened in the row right below me started by two rival gang bitches jarring at each other all game.

After that game I stopped taking my GF at the time and just went with my boys instead.

The Raiders should have done something but it's just not the way that organization does business.

Precisely why moving back to Oakland was the right thing.

Great crowd, great atmosphere, great times.

Just say no to football in LA.

[Jason in LA]

Piece of **** gangbangers came out on Sunday just to start trouble. there was a huge fight that made the front page of the LA Times back in the day that happened in the row right below me started by two rival gang b****es jarring at each other all game.



Just in case anybody was getting the wrong idea, it was thugs of all races that gave the Raider games a bad name.

[Jason in LA]

LA is setting an example on how to deal with the NFL while other cities fold and fork over millions of tax dollars in fear of losing their beloved teams.

Every city wants to do what LA did, but they all fold and pay up. But then LA goes out and does it, and beats the NFL, and people around the country are pissed about it. I don't get it.