What did Cutler ultimately cost the Donks?

[crazyhorse]

How many picks did the Broncos spend on thier new bench warmer?

Anybody got a tally?

[Clockwork Orange]

A 1st (29th overall), 2 3rds (68th & another I can't remember offhand) and next years 4th ultimately was what they traded to move up from 29 to 11.

[Ratboy]

A 1st (29th overall), 2 3rds (68th & another I can't remember offhand) and next years 4th ultimately was what they traded to move up from 29 to 11.

Which is a steal for a Franchise QB. Shanahan has been nailing some trades in the past few years, He's been getting away with robbery.

[ludo21]

well worth it, and still had a great draf with the rest of the picks.

[DomCasual]

You're a dumbass.

I'm just saying...

[Ratboy]

You're a dumbass.

I'm just saying...

I agree, I think he came in here thinking we gave up a butt load of picks.

[TheDave]

I agree, I think he came in here thinking we gave up a butt load of picks.

actually he came here because he is a chef fan... that old misery wants company thing.

[Hotrod]

Looks like your fishing trip sucked today suckkaa

[Bronco_Beerslug]

actually he came here because he is a chef fan... that old misery wants company thing.
That and he doesn't have an actual home anywhere.

[TheDave]

That and he doesn't have an actual home anywhere.

oooppss forgot about that:rofl:

[WABronco]

Looks like your fishing trip sucked today suckkaa
Yea, where's his snobby-ass response?

[Paladin]

Those queasy mullet fans are just absolutely jealous of the success that the Broncos' organization has had over the past 30 years. They do no have an organization with any vision or fortitude to make those types of moves. KC is always mentioned somewhere on page 2 of any talk about a player being available for trade or signing. Witness the whole Javon Walker thing or even the TO thing or the Law thing. KC could have jumped up and did something, but they didn't, and that is the measure of that sorry arsed team and organization. They have absolutely no imagination there.

I think its the water.

Long may they drink from the Fountain of Dumbarse.

[DBroncos4life]

well he's no Dick4Meals or Herm Edwards but sometimes if you see someone you like you got to make a trade for him. :rofl:

[DenverBrit]

[QUOTE=crazyhorse]How many picks did the Broncos spend on thier new bench warmer?

Thinking of making an offer? Just a hint; an engine and a free mullet won't get it done.

[Jetmeck]

How many picks did the Broncos spend on thier new bench warmer?

Anybody got a tally?


It will cost the Chefs many AFC WEST crowns in the near future. Even a retard like you realizes that a consistent
QB has been the Broncs only major malfunction since the DUKE left. If he is half the QB ELWAY was your team will
regret that draft day nearly as much as 1983.

[Pat Bowlen]

A 1st (29th overall), 2 3rds (68th & another I can't remember offhand) and next years 4th ultimately was what they traded to move up from 29 to 11.
Last year's first round pick should also be included, since it made the whole operation possible.

[Clockwork Orange]

Last year's first round pick should also be included, since it made the whole operation possible.

Sort of, but not completely. That pick from a year ago got them the 22nd pick this year, which was then traded for a 2nd rounder (37th, traded for Javon Walker) and the 68th (included in the deal for the 11th pick).

So the 3rd rounder that came as a result of that deal with Washington was included, but it was the 29th pick, the Broncos own pick, that was the catalyst for the trade that got them up to 15th.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The future of their franchise.

[Clockwork Orange]

The future of their franchise.

You wish.

[Tombstone RJ]

The future of their franchise.

eh, I think your thinking the Vikings and Herschel Walker, or the Saints and Ricky Williams...

[Lidderer]

A 1st (29th overall), 2 3rds (68th & another I can't remember offhand) and next years 4th ultimately was what they traded to move up from 29 to 11.

including the deal from last year, this does seem an exorbitant amount for a pick that has like a 20%* history of success.


But in the end I'm guessing we'll be laughing last when he leads us to the 2010 AFC Championship game**.



*=All Numbers Completely Factual When Estimated.
**=We lose by about 20*.

[bcbronc]

Sort of, but not completely. That pick from a year ago got them the 22nd pick this year, which was then traded for a 2nd rounder (37th, traded for Javon Walker) and the 68th (included in the deal for the 11th pick).

So the 3rd rounder that came as a result of that deal with Washington was included, but it was the 29th pick, the Broncos own pick, that was the catalyst for the trade that got them up to 15th.


so we traded our first last year to washington, for a first, a 3rd and a 4th.

we then moved our first, a 3rd and a 4th to atlanta for the 15. more or less a wash. but points wise, we gained like 230 off the atlanta deal (equals a 3rd rounder).

we then traded the 22 to san fran for a 2nd (walker) and a 3rd (sent to st lois).

so the way i tally it, it cost us a 3rd and this years and last years 1sts to acquire cutler and javon. and if you consider the point value we gained in the atlanta deal, this was some brilliant manuevering by shanny.

[crazyhorse]

I agree, I think he came in here thinking we gave up a butt load of picks.

I did.

I was right.

[Tombstone RJ]

I did.

I was right.

OK, you tally it up, and then explain how the Broncos gave up too much.

[crazyhorse]

It will cost the Chefs many AFC WEST crowns in the near future. Even a retard like you realizes that a consistent
QB has been the Broncs only major malfunction since the DUKE left. If he is half the QB ELWAY was your team will
regret that draft day nearly as much as 1983.

If he's half the QB Elway was, I feel comfortable saying we will beat you on a regular basis.

Jakes better than half, and he blows.

[Tombstone RJ]

If he's half the QB Elway was, I feel comfortable saying we will beat you on a regular basis.

Jakes better than half, and he blows.

Lets not compare anyone to Elway because its fruitless. Let's just say, Cutler scares the hell out of you, and you know it.

[Popps]

You're a dumbass.

I'm just saying...

A rare proper use of the "you're" (not your) apostrophe on an internet message board!

Spread the word, Dom. These guys would be proud...

The Apostrophe Protection Society
http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/

[Dr. Broncenstein]

:rofl: A rare proper use of the "you're" (not your) apostrophe on an internet message board!

Spread the word, Dom. These guys would be proud...

The Apostrophe Protection Society
http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/

[Inkana7]

How many picks did the Broncos spend on thier new bench warmer?

Anybody got a tally?
Not enough to satisfy you.

[crazyhorse]

OK, you tally it up, and then explain how the Broncos gave up too much.

I would expect a starter for that compensation.

I see the arguement to grab a good player for the future of the franchise. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I dont see Cutler as an automatic home run.

He may turn out to be worth it in the end. But it does appear that the Broncos have committed a hefty chunk of this years draft for a player that likely wont see the field for at least one season.

Whether it was worth it or not has yet to be seen.

[eddie mac]

If he's half the QB Elway was, I feel comfortable saying we will beat you on a regular basis.

Jakes better than half, and he blows.

So over the last 3 years the series is tied at 3 with Jake at the helm. Your ass has been owned in 3 games at Invesco in which you barely came within 2 TD's in any of those blowouts whilst at KC you squeak 2 out of the 3 and your confident KC can beat Denver on a regular basis. If you reckon that's regular I'd hate to see your interpretation of constipated.

[Pat Bowlen]

Sort of, but not completely. That pick from a year ago got them the 22nd pick this year, which was then traded for a 2nd rounder (37th, traded for Javon Walker) and the 68th (included in the deal for the 11th pick).

So the 3rd rounder that came as a result of that deal with Washington was included, but it was the 29th pick, the Broncos own pick, that was the catalyst for the trade that got them up to 15th.
Yeah, but it was a pick we traded away that in turn made it possible for us to manuever and draft the way we did.

[crazyhorse]

Let's just say, Cutler scares the hell out of you.

If it helps you get through, then by all means.....say it.

[crazyhorse]

So over the last 3 years the series is tied at 3 with Jake at the helm. Your ass has been owned in 3 games at Invesco in which you barely came within 2 TD's in any of those blowouts whilst at KC you squeak 2 out of the 3 and your confident KC can beat Denver on a regular basis. If you reckon that's regular I'd hate to see your interpretation of constipated.

You didn't get the point of the post, huh?

Gee.....that sucks.

[bcbronc]

I would expect a starter for that compensation.

I see the arguement to grab a good player for the future of the franchise. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I dont see Cutler as an automatic home run.

He may turn out to be worth it in the end. But it does appear that the Broncos have committed a hefty chunk of this years draft for a player that likely wont see the field for at least one season.

Whether it was worth it or not has yet to be seen.

a hefty chunk? how do you figure that?

if you consider the fact that we traded a second rounder for javon, we still had 3 first day picks, even after moving up for cutler. where's this hefty chunk you are talking about?

[crazyhorse]

a hefty chunk? how do you figure that?

if you consider the fact that we traded a second rounder for javon, we still had 3 first day picks, even after moving up for cutler. where's this hefty chunk you are talking about?

Hefty Chunk= gobs

[Tombstone RJ]

I would expect a starter for that compensation.

I see the arguement to grab a good player for the future of the franchise. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I dont see Cutler as an automatic home run.

He may turn out to be worth it in the end. But it does appear that the Broncos have committed a hefty chunk of this years draft for a player that likely wont see the field for at least one season.

Whether it was worth it or not has yet to be seen.

There no such thing as an automatic home run when drafting. Period. So, for you to say the Broncos gave up too much at this point and time is nonsensical.

The Broncos had a great draft. By doing several menuvers over the last couple of drafts (trades) they were able to 1. Draft a future franchise QB, 2. acquire a starting caliber WR in Javon Walker & 3. still have a good draft that added depth.

[Pat Bowlen]

I would expect a starter for that compensation.
Are you saying you don't expect him to ever start?

I see the arguement to grab a good player for the future of the franchise. I'm not saying you're wrong. But I dont see Cutler as an automatic home run.
Neither does Denver. Stellar argument here.

He may turn out to be worth it in the end. But it does appear that the Broncos have committed a hefty chunk of this years draft for a player that likely wont see the field for at least one season.

Whether it was worth it or not has yet to be seen.
It appears that way because that's how it is, you dumbass. Thanks for the brilliant insight.

[eddie mac]

You didn't get the point of the post, huh?

Gee.....that sucks.

Hold on duh, you reckon I didn't understand the KC dip****'s statement because I made a counter argument that proved how fvcking idiotic it was in the first place???

[Ballhawk]

How many picks did the Broncos spend on thier new bench warmer?

Anybody got a tally?

We spent one pick, #11 OA.

Can you please point out a team that spent more than 1 pick on a player?

[Lidderer]

We spent one pick, #11 OA.

Can you please point out a team that spent more than 1 pick on a player?

teehee?

[bombay]

I once met a chefs fan who wasn't a jackass.

[Pat Bowlen]

We spent one pick, #11 OA.

Can you please point out a team that spent more than 1 pick on a player?
What's the point of nitpicking over semantics like this? Let's just make fun of the Chief fan.

[eddie mac]

I've got a bet with Crazy when the Broncos beat the Chiefs twice this season he'll lie under his car and I can pull the lever.LOL

[DenverBrit]

[QUOTE=crazyhorse]

He may turn out to be worth it in the end. But it does appear that the Broncos have committed a hefty chunk of this years draft for a player that likely wont see the field for at least one season.

So what's your point?

Cutler MIGHT not work out??
A 1st rounder MUST contribute year one??
The Broncos took a chance on what many consider the best QB in the draft??

LMAO. You really are a Chiefs fan.Hilarious!

[crazyhorse]

Hold on duh, you reckon I didn't understand the KC dip****'s statement because I made a counter argument that proved how fvcking idiotic it was in the first place???

Yes.

You didn't understand it.

I was comenting on someone elses statement. "Half" of Elway is not much of a QB was the gist of my statement.

It wasn't a threat. I wasn't challenging your manhood. You overeacted spewing your "counter" that really has no validity to the point I was trying to make with my post.

The statemnent I made was valid. If you march into Arrowhead with a QB only half as good as Elway, you will get beat on a regular basis.

I still feel that way.

[crazyhorse]

I've got a bet with Crazy when the Broncos beat the Chiefs twice this season he'll lie under his car and I can pull the lever.LOL

Pervert

[crazyhorse]

I once met a chefs fan who wasn't a jackass.

Mom?

[crazyhorse]

[QUOTE=crazyhorse]

He may turn out to be worth it in the end. But it does appear that the Broncos have committed a hefty chunk of this years draft for a player that likely wont see the field for at least one season.

[B]So what's your point?

Cutler MIGHT not work out??
A 1st rounder MUST contribute year one??
The Broncos took a chance on what many consider the best QB in the draft??

Yes

[eddie mac]

Yes.

You didn't understand it.

I was comenting on someone elses statement. "Half" of Elway is not much of a QB was the gist of my statement.

It wasn't a threat. I wasn't challenging your manhood. You overeacted spewing your "counter" that really has no validity to the point I was trying to make with my post.

The statemnent I made was valid. If you march into Arrowhead with a QB only half as good as Elway, you will get beat on a regular basis.

I still feel that way.

Fair enough but then you should have said regularly at home!!

[bombay]

Mom?

Ok, that's pretty good.

[crazyhorse]

Are you saying you don't expect him to ever start?

No.

I mean a starter for the season they are drfted.

Like I felt with Larry Johnson when the Chiefs drafted him.

We had much less invested. And we had a Probowl RB that was questionable.

[Lidderer]

So what's your point?

a)Cutler MIGHT not work out??
b) A 1st rounder MUST contribute year one??
c)The Broncos took a chance on what many consider the best QB in the draft??

LMAO. You really are a Chiefs fan.[/B]Hilarious!

a) Seems valid and worthy of mention.
b) when you were one game away from the SB, and had a glaring weakness, it's worth wondering whether or not stockpiling for the future is a sensible move, especially when you mortgage part of that same future in order to do so
c) Many people consider a lot of things.

It's ultimately more 'hilarious' to assume that all these IFs don't exist and that the kid from Vanderbilt will be a surefire success.

While likely motivated by snide intentions, the thread's overriding questions and concerns are valid enough on their own.

[Pat Bowlen]

Ok, that's pretty good.
The Mom joke, the most original of them all.

[Clockwork Orange]

I don't agree with the idea that him not starting immediatly makes any real difference. That would have been like saying that Carson Palmer was a waste of the 1st overall pick because he didn't play during his rookie year.

No need to rush anything, Cutler's got time and optimal conditions in which to develop. They also addressed the need for an heir apparent to Rod Smith as the #1 receiver when they made the deal for Javon Walker. When Cutler is ready to take the reigns, it'll be when he's ready and he'll have an outstanding running game & a true #1 receiver to work with should Rod decide to hang 'em up.

All is well.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

All is well.

Ha!


God Dammit.

We traded up for Cutler? What a joke.

We let Bunkley & Ngata go to take Cutler. ****.

[Pat Bowlen]

No.

I mean a starter for the season they are drfted.

Like I felt with Larry Johnson when the Chiefs drafted him.

We had much less invested. And we had a Probowl RB that was questionable.
Do you even think before you type?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/don_banks/12/30/pregame.snaps.1230/tx_palmer2.jpg

[Cito Pelon]

I look at it this way - Shanny & Co. made a lot of investments in the D for the past 3-4-5 years. They had to put some investments into the O.

[Pat Bowlen]

Damn you, Clockwork.

[Clockwork Orange]

Ha!

You humping my leg again, cupcake?

I wanted them to take Bunkley, no doubt. I thought he could really help this team immediatly at their weakest point. I got a case of the draft day overreaction and I popped off.

Hmmmm, maybe I'll go slumming over at Chefsplanet and dig up some of the things you said initially about your 4th round pick this year, you know, the 50 year old DB who could probably still beat out William Bartee. Then we can compare them to the fellatio you've performed on him here.

[crazyhorse]

Do you even think before you type?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/don_banks/12/30/pregame.snaps.1230/tx_palmer2.jpg

It's code.

[DenverBrit]

It's ultimately more 'hilarious' to assume that all these IFs don't exist and that the kid from Vanderbilt will be a surefire success.

I'll add 'sarc' next time I post if that helps. ;)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You humping my leg again, cupcake?

I wanted them to take Bunkley, no doubt. I thought he could really help this team immediatly at their weakest point. I got a case of the draft day overreaction and I popped off.

Hmmmm, maybe I'll go slumming over at Chefsplanet and dig up some of the things you said initially about your 4th round pick this year, you know, the 50 year old DB who could probably still beat out William Bartee. Then we can compare them to the fellatio you've performed on him here.

That's amusing. I haven't flip-flopped about any of our picks. Be my guest.

Oh, and we didn't have a fourth round pick. LOL

[Clockwork Orange]

That's amusing. I haven't flip-flopped about any of our picks. Be my guest.

Oh, and we didn't have a fourth round pick. LOL

Your 4th round pick was spent on your coach, Stephen Hawking. Try to keep up. The point was (now try to follow me here) that you've certainly changed your tune on him drastically.

But that'd be no different than the flip flop job you pulled on Gunther. He went from savior to scapegoat in just two years. :rofl:

Someone else needs to own you for a while, I'm getting bored with it.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Your 4th round pick was spent on your coach, Stephen Hawking. Try to keep up. The point was (now try to follow me here) that you've certainly changed your tune on him drastically.

But that'd be no different than the flip flop job you pulled on Gunther. He went from savior to scapegoat in just two years. :rofl:

Someone else needs to own you for a while, I'm getting bored with it.

Ah yes, now I see what you mean. I wouldn't say I flip flopped on Herm at all. I still think he'll **** up when the games start counting, but I'm not going to sit here and bash him for what's been a solid offseason thus far.

[DenverBrit]

crazyhorse
Yes


Then you are stating the obvious.

[Cito Pelon]

. . . . . .I wanted them to take Bunkley, no doubt. I thought he could really help this team immediatly at their weakest point.. . . . .

I believe the FO decided they'd put enough into the D the past few years, they had a chance to grab some good O players and they did so. If these new O guys pan out, then next year you get your wish - DT/DE, LB, safety. It's my wish also, but the team really did need an infusion of O talent.

[Clockwork Orange]

Ah yes, now I see what you mean. I wouldn't say I flip flopped on Herm at all. I still think he'll **** up when the games start counting, but I'm not going to sit here and bash him for what's been a solid offseason thus far.

Yes, the signing of Lenny Walls must look solid compared to what you've had in the secondary the last few years. Good job Herm.

But on the same token, I see it as what's done is done. I ripped the Broncos for their draft last year and they proved me wrong. I'm giving Shanahan the benefit of the doubt on Cutler because of past history. He doesn't want to be put in another situation where he's relegated to taking the best of what's available on the QB free agent market (which is historically nothing to write home about) when the time comes to say goodbye to Plummer. Plus the fact that he's managed to turn Plummer into a solid starter gives me plenty of optimism to see what he can do with a young, smart, talented QB like Cutler.

And on that note, I still wanted them to take Bunkley. Now I want Cutler to make me forget that I ever did.

[Clockwork Orange]

I believe the FO decided they'd put enough into the D the past few years, they had a chance to grab some good O players and they did so. If these new O guys pan out, then next year you get your wish - DT/DE, LB, safety. It's my wish also, but the team really did need an infusion of O talent.

I agree, and once I got over my initial hysteria from watching them let Bunkley slide by, I understood why they did what they did.

Getting Javon Walker along with him made it look even better. If Cutler lives up to his potential that's gonna be a hell of a combo for years to come. :yep:

[footstepsfrom#27]

Let me see if I have this straight.

1) For the last 3 years I've heard nothing from Chief fans but what a loser Plummer is and how we'll never win with him.

2) So we pull the trigger and move up to take a guy that has all the tools to play the position and somehow that's a bad move?

Had we drafted Bunkley Chief fans would have said it doesn't matter who else we draft since we won't be going anywhere anyway as long as we have Plummer. Since we drafted his eventual replacement, now the spin is that we should have stuck with Plummer...only in Kansas City does something like this make any sense.

Look at it this way. The biggest problem with our offense last year was that Jake had only one consistent reciever. In spite of the fact we traded some picks to move up for Cutler, we STILL came out of this draft with a big upgrade for our offensive weapons. Adding Walker alone was a huge upgrade if he's recovered from the knee. Factor in the apparent steal we got in Marshall and the 2nd best athlete at tight end in the draft and that looks like a pretty good haul. We even managed to find two offensive line replacements for guys who we needed to replace due to age and performance deep in the draft.

Bottom line...we got our QB of the future to replace the guy that YOU have been saying all along we needed to replace, AND we still managed to add firepower on offense plus add O-line depth and a possible pass rusher. Even if NONE of these other guys pan out, just getting Cutler alone will look like a great move when it comes time to move Jake.

So what I want to know is this...when Jake's gone what do you have left to bag on us about?

[azbroncfan]

We could of drafted ryan sims I mean bunkley or Ngata at that point. A chef fan is the last fan who can say a DT is a sure fire instant impact in the first year. DT has probably as much bust as QB's.

[watermock]

The only thing that went wrong was that Washington went to the playoffs and actually won a game, or we would of been right around 10 by most predictions.

The great move was the one that got us from 29 to 15. We also lucked out that Cutler dropped to 11, basically because he came from a poor team he carried on his back. I'm as pumped as any aquisition since Elway and the more we read about Jay, the more impressive he seems to get. Unlike the Chefs, Denver rarely gets to draft early. We had to move up to get D.J. Williams at 15 a couple drafts ago.

The stone cold fact is we got an elite franchise prospect, and genuine franchise WR in Walker, our TEOTF and 3 4th rounders and a 5th and 6th that were excellent picks. That's 8 players aquired, so the idea that we gutted our draft is ludicrous. We also got an undersized Tasmanian devil in Dumervil, the NCAA sackmeister. He's undersized but somehow he git's r done.

Finally, even tho we didn't have a first last year, we had an exceptional draft at corner. We scratched out heads, but all three are good, Williams is just plain amazing. Totally fearless. To move all the ways from the end of the draft to what I now consider the best QB of the draft with smoke and mirrors was OUTSTANDING. This was absolutely NOT selling the farm like Ditka drooling over Little Ricky or the Hornheads over Hershel Walker.

[DBroncos4life]

We could of drafted ryan sims I mean bunkley or Ngata at that point. A chef fan is the last fan who can say a DT is a sure fire instant impact in the first year. DT has probably as much bust as QB's.
Neither one will be half the player Junior Siavii is. When you trade out of the first round to pick up another second round pick you would think atleast one of those players would have an impact by now. :spit:

[watermock]

So what I want to know is this...when Jake's gone what do you have left to bag on us about?

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[watermock]

I believe the FO decided they'd put enough into the D the past few years, they had a chance to grab some good O players and they did so. If these new O guys pan out, then next year you get your wish - DT/DE, LB, safety. It's my wish also, but the team really did need an infusion of O talent.

We had some pretty poor drafts but the 05 draft was very good considering we gambled that Washington would give us a very good pick this year. That's just the way it works. We also got a low risk contract with Walker. We will have more cap money next year and can just convert is option bonus.

We certainly tried to address the D for several years at the cost of the offense. I agree it was time for an IV for the offense. Cutler, Walker, Chef, Marshall, Hixon and the two OL late.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Chief fans ought to be worrying more about their own QB problems. With Green turning 36 this year he's got maybe another year or so and I don't think the prospect of Damon Huard or Brodie "Namath Knees" Croyle lining up under center really keeps to many DC's up late at night worrying.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Croyle's the next Joe Montana.

[scorpio]

Croyle's the next Joe Montana.


I'm not sure if I feel more sorry for you or for the people that will bite on this.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm not sure if I feel more sorry for you or for the people that will bite on this.

I'm just passing on the thoughts of the Chiefs QB coach. Croyle displays the same kind of footwork, touch and accuracy.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Croyle's the next Joe Montana.

http://www.jointhealing.com/graphics/products/oa/oaeveryday_small.jpg http://www.kneeshop.com/images/BDhinged_visco_bracemini.jpg http://www.bledsoebrace.com/products/img/thruster3.jpg

[Clockwork Orange]

Croyle's the next Joe Montana.

Montana is less injury prone at his current age than Frayle is at his.....and Frayle has yet to take a hit in an NFL game.

[bcbronc]

Croyle's the next Joe Montana.


im honestly more worried about casey printers than i am croyle. hopefully the chiefs wont want to keep both young guns on the roster and will go with the draft pick.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Montana is less injury prone at his current age than Frayle is at his.....and Frayle has yet to take a hit in an NFL game.

Croyle will take alot less hit's in the pro's than he did at Alabama. I'm not worried.

[SoCalBronco]

Croyle's the next Joe Montana.

So he's going to be successful largely because of excellent coaching, a system ahead of its time and pro bowlers on both sides of the ball?

(Carl and the current coaching staff will have to be replaced ofcourse before either of these three things occur.)

[bfoflcommish]

Croyle's the next Joe Montana.


You are probably right. He does have the running ability and throwing accuracy of a 50 year old

[footstepsfrom#27]

Montana is less injury prone at his current age than Frayle is at his.....and Frayle has yet to take a hit in an NFL game.

Does this even need a comment? ;D

http://boifromtroy.com/wp-content/brodycroyle.jpg

[SoCalBronco]

Bob, your lucky that I didnt put your incredibly gay "Buffy Croyle" post from a few weeks back into my sig line for all to see.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob, your lucky that I didnt put your incredibly gay "Buffy Croyle" post from a few weeks back into my sig line for all to see.

Do your worst.

[SoCalBronco]

Do your worst.

Eh, I gotta save some of your material for the future, although I'm sure the folks over at the Planet are amused by my current sig over there.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Bob, your lucky that I didnt put your incredibly gay "Buffy Croyle" post from a few weeks back into my sig line for all to see.
Buffy seems to be having a "little problem"...;D

http://boifromtroy.com/wp-content/brodycroyle.jpg

[watermock]

The only thing that looks half ass developed are his arms. Stick legs, thin, whatever Bob.

And asserting that he won't get as beat up in the pros as Alabama is ludicrous. Alabama isn't Vanderbilt. If there is a QB that will probably take less punishment it's Cutler, not Coyle who will be protected by geriatric has beens.

[Kaylore]

Croyle's the next Robbie Bosco.

Fixed your post.

[-Slap-]

Montana is less injury prone at his current age than Frayle is at his.....and Frayle has yet to take a hit in an NFL game.
"Frayle"

:rofl:

[Kaylore]

Nothing new here. This is another Chief thread posted because they are jealous of the Broncos.

[SoCalBronco]

Fixed your post.

Your giving Brodie far too much credit. He never won a national title.

[watermock]

Dunno...Salsbury steak loved the pick. Ha!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The only thing that looks half ass developed are his arms. Stick legs, thin, whatever Bob.

And asserting that he won't get as beat up in the pros as Alabama is ludicrous. Alabama isn't Vanderbilt. If there is a QB that will probably take less punishment it's Cutler, not Coyle who will be protected by geriatric has beens.

Croyle isn't frail. He literally took a beating at Alabama. His offensive line was atrocious. He was sacked 36 times as a senior.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Nothing new here. This is another Chief thread posted because they are jealous of the Broncos.

I agree. I'm not going to sit here and tell you Cutler won't be a good quarterback. He's got all the tools.

[Clockwork Orange]

Croyle isn't frail. He literally took a beating at Alabama. His offensive line was atrocious. He was sacked 36 times as a senior.

And he's literally torn both ACL's, his labrum and dislocated his elbow. If that doesn't raise a red flag or two then you've got blinders on.

[Steve Sewell]

Yes, the signing of Lenny Walls must look solid compared to what you've had in the secondary the last few years. Good job Herm.

But on the same token, I see it as what's done is done. I ripped the Broncos for their draft last year and they proved me wrong. I'm giving Shanahan the benefit of the doubt on Cutler because of past history. He doesn't want to be put in another situation where he's relegated to taking the best of what's available on the QB free agent market (which is historically nothing to write home about) when the time comes to say goodbye to Plummer. Plus the fact that he's managed to turn Plummer into a solid starter gives me plenty of optimism to see what he can do with a young, smart, talented QB like Cutler.

And on that note, I still wanted them to take Bunkley. Now I want Cutler to make me forget that I ever did.

Great point on Shanahan. He's taken a marginal talent in Brian Griese and turned him into a Pro Bowler. He's taken a guy who couldn't play a smart ballgame if his life depended on it (Plummer) and turned him into a 34-15 QB over the last 3 years. And of course he was Elway's mentor in about 10 years of his 16 year career.

A smart, young, talented QB and Mike Shanahan. Odds are that Cutler turns into a Pro-Bowl, SB caliber QB over time. I'm pretty comfortable with the pick simply based on Shanahan's track record with QB's. What he did with Griese and Plummer, regardless of the shortcomings, was nothing short of phenomenal. And we don't need to even begin with what he did with Elway...that obviously speaks for itself.

[Steve Sewell]

The only thing that went wrong was that Washington went to the playoffs and actually won a game, or we would of been right around 10 by most predictions.

The great move was the one that got us from 29 to 15. We also lucked out that Cutler dropped to 11, basically because he came from a poor team he carried on his back. I'm as pumped as any aquisition since Elway and the more we read about Jay, the more impressive he seems to get. Unlike the Chefs, Denver rarely gets to draft early. We had to move up to get D.J. Williams at 15 a couple drafts ago.

The stone cold fact is we got an elite franchise prospect, and genuine franchise WR in Walker, our TEOTF and 3 4th rounders and a 5th and 6th that were excellent picks. That's 8 players aquired, so the idea that we gutted our draft is ludicrous. We also got an undersized Tasmanian devil in Dumervil, the NCAA sackmeister. He's undersized but somehow he git's r done.

Finally, even tho we didn't have a first last year, we had an exceptional draft at corner. We scratched out heads, but all three are good, Williams is just plain amazing. Totally fearless. To move all the ways from the end of the draft to what I now consider the best QB of the draft with smoke and mirrors was OUTSTANDING. This was absolutely NOT selling the farm like Ditka drooling over Little Ricky or the Hornheads over Hershel Walker.

Great post...I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Dumervil gets more sacks this year than Tamba Hali...

[Kaylore]

Your giving Brodie far too much credit. He never won a national title.
I agree, and Bosco has better knees - now. I used better criteria than Bob did, though.

1. Third round pick.

2. Came out of a religious school.

3. Very Similar build.

4. Prolific passer.

He's actually more like Bosco (sans the injuries in the knees) than Montana by a long shot.

[SoCalBronco]

I agree, and Bosco has better knees - now. I used better criteria than Bob did, though.

1. Third round pick.

2. Came out of a religious school.

3. Very Similar build.

4. Prolific passer.

He's actually more like Bosco (sans the injuries in the knees) than Montana by a long shot.

Whatever happened to John Walsh? He was one of my favorite dropback passers ever. I thought he was outstanding at BYU and then I never heard anything about him after that. Ofcourse, Sarkisian was great too, he had a year when he was right at 70% completion percentage.

[Steve Sewell]

Croyle's the next Joe Montana.

If Croyle turns out to be half the player Todd Blackledge was, you should be tickled pink...

[SoCalBronco]

If Croyle turns out to be half the player Todd Blackledge was, you should be tickled pink...

He already is.

[Kaylore]

Whatever happened to John Walsh? He was one of my favorite dropback passers ever. I thought he was outstanding at BYU and then I never heard anything about him after that. Ofcourse, Sarkisian was great too, he had a year when he was right at 70% completion percentage. What happened? No more LaVell Edwards to make them look good. There were quite a few players who over-achieved in his system. Probably one of the most successful college Coaches ever and I feel one of the most underrated. He took a brainy religious mountain school that was never amongst really great competition that had a terrible time recruiting and schemed it into quite a force year-in and year-out. I mean we're the last non-BCS school to win a National Championship.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And he's literally torn both ACL's, his labrum and dislocated his elbow. If that doesn't raise a red flag or two then you've got blinders on.

Sure, but one of those was in high school.

The fact that he made it through his senior season taking a pounding is reassuring.

[Florida_Bronco]

Great point on Shanahan. He's taken a marginal talent in Brian Griese and turned him into a Pro Bowler. He's taken a guy who couldn't play a smart ballgame if his life depended on it (Plummer) and turned him into a 34-15 QB over the last 3 years. And of course he was Elway's mentor in about 10 years of his 16 year career.

A smart, young, talented QB and Mike Shanahan. Odds are that Cutler turns into a Pro-Bowl, SB caliber QB over time. I'm pretty comfortable with the pick simply based on Shanahan's track record with QB's. What he did with Griese and Plummer, regardless of the shortcomings, was nothing short of phenomenal. And we don't need to even begin with what he did with Elway...that obviously speaks for itself.

What excites me the most about this is that he'll have a talented quarterback who won't be hampered early in his career by a losing franschise (like Plummer was), poor coaching (Elway/Reeves) or a head coach hell bent on destroying him, minimizing his talent and trying to trade him (Elway)

Now you see why I am excited about Cutler.

[Kaylore]

Sure, but one of those was in high school.

The fact that he made it through his senior season taking a pounding is reassuring. All that means is that the next big injury is right around the corner. If the guy is getting torn up playing High School and College football, the pro level will leave him in a wheel chair.

[JCMElway]

Here's my assesment of what Denver gave up to move from 29 to 11.

There may be another post on this somewhere, but I was thinking how amazing it was that Denver moved from #29 up to #11 in the first round for just a fourth round pick. Here are the litany of moves:

1. Traded out of the 1st round in 2005 (25) to pick up Washington's 1st (22) in the 2006 draft. The draft that year had no value in the late 1st round and D Will was a fabulous pick in the 2nd. Denver also acquired Washington's third round pick. With that selection they took Karl Paymah. +1 3rd round pick at this time.

2. Now we have 22 and 29. We give up a 3rd this year and a 4th next year to move from #29 to #15 in a three team deal. To this point just a 4th rounder has been sacrificed because of the third round selection acquired in 2005.

3. Broncs have #15 and #22. Both of these slots aren't great value wise in this year's draft. The real value was between 1-11, and then picks 28-40. Denver did the incredibly smart thing by moving both picks! In a move that dismayed quite a few, we moved out of #22 and slid back to #37. This was the most important move to drafting Cutler because we regained the third round pick that we gave up to the Jets in 2006. So the tally sheet at this point is +1 third rounders, -1 4th rounder.

4. Now Denver has #15 and #37. #15 is horrible value at this point, so I knew Denver would be moving. Frankly, I thought it might have been down. Taking Jackson at #15 would have been a complete joke. However, that 3rd rounder we reacquired was crucial, because that gave Denver the ammo to jump up 4 slots to get Cutler. If the trade does not go down, St. Louis most definetly takes Cutler; so giving up the third rounder was necessary here. And I don't consider Denver losing a 1st rounder for a 2nd round choice because the value for players at this juncture in the draft was very close. Also, 37 went for J Walker. So Denver got a third (which netted us Cutler) AND Javon Walker. Pretty ****in' slick.

So, at the end of all the shifting, Denver lost only one 4th rounder in order to get Cutler. AND that 4th rounder isn't even until 2007. We got our QB of the future and didn't mortgage the farm to get him (like the deadskins.) So a big thank you to Washington, John Abraham, San Fran, and the NY Jets. Oh, also big kuddos to Oakland, Buffalo, and Detroit for undervaluing Lienart. Without the help from all of these teams (And Abe) Cutler would not be a Bronco.

My question is, how far in advance did Shanny and Ted concot this plan, and who were they originally shooting for when they started moving up the board? If they had Cutler in mind when this whole thing started, they are absolute geniuses. Especially when Washington did so much better than expected last year. It took a little more horse trading to get up there, but Shanny and company got it done. They got, by many accounts, the best QB in the draft. And maybe the best QB to come out of the draft since Carson Palmer. Time will tell.

Once again, bravo Shanny.

[JCMElway]

Last year's first round pick should also be included, since it made the whole operation possible.

I wouldn't necessarly count the 1st from last year 'cos we gave up the first in 05 and gained a first in 06. We actually moved up 3 spots in the draft order. So, no loss there!

[cutthemdown]

It really doesn't matter what picks broncos gave up because we had so many extras from Shanny fleecing the Skins and working the compensatory draft pick system so well. In the end we have enough rookies to compete for the few spots on roster we have open. Plus Broncos could only afford 1 first round draft pick. 2 first round picks IMO would have been too expensive with what we have remaining under the cap. Plus many draft boards had Mike Bell rated as a 4th to 5th round pick so he was a steal as an udfa. I think had Broncos had to sacrifice the whole draft to get Cutler it would have been a stupid move, but since the rat was also able to add a TE 2OL DE 2WR thats plenty for one draft.

[SoCalBronco]

Here's my assesment of what Denver gave up to move from 29 to 11.

There may be another post on this somewhere, but I was thinking how amazing it was that Denver moved from #29 up to #11 in the first round for just a fourth round pick. Here are the litany of moves:

1. Traded out of the 1st round in 2005 (25) to pick up Washington's 1st (22) in the 2006 draft. The draft that year had no value in the late 1st round and D Will was a fabulous pick in the 2nd. Denver also acquired Washington's third round pick. With that selection they took Karl Paymah. +1 3rd round pick at this time.

2. Now we have 22 and 29. We give up a 3rd this year and a 4th next year to move from #29 to #15 in a three team deal. To this point just a 4th rounder has been sacrificed because of the third round selection acquired in 2005.

3. Broncs have #15 and #22. Both of these slots aren't great value wise in this year's draft. The real value was between 1-11, and then picks 28-40. Denver did the incredibly smart thing by moving both picks! In a move that dismayed quite a few, we moved out of #22 and slid back to #37. This was the most important move to drafting Cutler because we regained the third round pick that we gave up to the Jets in 2006. So the tally sheet at this point is +1 third rounders, -1 4th rounder.

4. Now Denver has #15 and #37. #15 is horrible value at this point, so I knew Denver would be moving. Frankly, I thought it might have been down. Taking Jackson at #15 would have been a complete joke. However, that 3rd rounder we reacquired was crucial, because that gave Denver the ammo to jump up 4 slots to get Cutler. If the trade does not go down, St. Louis most definetly takes Cutler; so giving up the third rounder was necessary here. And I don't consider Denver losing a 1st rounder for a 2nd round choice because the value for players at this juncture in the draft was very close. Also, 37 went for J Walker. So Denver got a third (which netted us Cutler) AND Javon Walker. Pretty ****in' slick.

So, at the end of all the shifting, Denver lost only one 4th rounder in order to get Cutler. AND that 4th rounder isn't even until 2007. We got our QB of the future and didn't mortgage the farm to get him (like the deadskins.) So a big thank you to Washington, John Abraham, San Fran, and the NY Jets. Oh, also big kuddos to Oakland, Buffalo, and Detroit for undervaluing Lienart. Without the help from all of these teams (And Abe) Cutler would not be a Bronco.

My question is, how far in advance did Shanny and Ted concot this plan, and who were they originally shooting for when they started moving up the board? If they had Cutler in mind when this whole thing started, they are absolute geniuses. Especially when Washington did so much better than expected last year. It took a little more horse trading to get up there, but Shanny and company got it done. They got, by many accounts, the best QB in the draft. And maybe the best QB to come out of the draft since Carson Palmer. Time will tell.

Once again, bravo Shanny.

I tend to believe that they were targetting Leinart, with Cutler a close second. I am glad they're attempt to get Matt failed though. At the saturday press conference, Shanny very quickly said Cutler was their top rated QB, however, Sundquist later impliedly and unintentionally contradicted him, when the question of who they would have taken as between Leinart and Cutler had they both been there was posed to him. He said "we'd have said, 'Stop the music, let's talk about this as a staff and once again review.'" per http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5562.

But why would they need to "review" the situation again if Cutler was the No. 1 QB on their board? Isnt No. 1 > No. 2?

Thank God Buffalo wouldnt deal with us. Thank God.

[Kaylore]

I tend to believe that they were targetting Leinart, with Cutler a close second. I am glad they're attempt to get Matt failed though. At the saturday press conference, Shanny very quickly said Cutler was their top rated QB, however, Sundquist later impliedly and unintentionally contradicted him, when the question of who they would have taken as between Leinart and Cutler had they both been there was posed to him. He said "we'd have said, 'Stop the music, let's talk about this as a staff and once again review.'" per http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5562.

But why would they need to "review" the situation again if Cutler was the No. 1 QB on their board? Isnt No. 1 > No. 2?

Thank God Buffalo wouldnt deal with us. Thank God.
I agree that either way, we got our guy, but you left this part out of the quote.

"It's like any decision on draft day, we'd have said, 'Stop the music, let's talk about this as a staff and once again review."

I personally don't really see Leinert as the kind of Qb that would fit in here. I'll spare you my rants about his continued whining.

I did notice that we started moving up when we got to the teams that were rumored to be looking for Quarterbacks. Detroit, Buffalo, the Rams, the Cards.

I don't know that we'll ever really know if we had one over the other. We can assume a few things though: We wanted to draft Cutler (because we did), we wanted to draft one of the two as high as eighth (because we did). That means that either we wanted Cutler or we wanted both Cutler or Leinert. Either way, we got what we wanted and I feel the best of the three.

[watermock]

Noone can guarantee that Jay will be a franchise QB, but man, I can't find a weakness. Walker will be an excellent pickup if not pushed too early. There is still plenty of time for this guy to heal. We made more moves than any other team to my knowlege in the past two years. I think we are short a 4th next year and that is it, we picked up 8 players in this draft, including 3 Fourth rounders. Add Mike Bell as a seventh rounder so to speak, and we have players like Shoate and Browner coming off IR, and Myers out of NFLE. I know they all look good in May, but these decisions regarding future players was outstanding IMO.

[watermock]

Kaylore:
I don't know that we'll ever really know if we had one over the other. We can assume a few things though: We wanted to draft Cutler (because we did), we wanted to draft one of the two as high as eighth (because we did). That means that either we wanted Cutler or we wanted both Cutler or Leinert. Either way, we got what we wanted and I feel the best of the three.


Nor do we have to worry about what happened in the war room. I'm just damn glad we got Cutler instead. You don't go out and say that Hollywood Leinart was your first choice. I would of gone postal. Bledsoe without the arm. He won't be as good as Plummer IMO, especially in mobility. Jay can scoot, he had an elite 10 yard dash and an excellent wonderlic. Jay also has the size to take the pounding and can be groomed barring injury to Jake. It's too bad Lilly is too short sighted to see that Rod Smith and Jake will likely be gone after another two years, and he could team up with Javon and Rocket Man and Chef and kick some serious butt.

I guess Cutler had some Rocket Man throws in the early camp. He toasted Champ, that's good enough for me! Boo-Yaah!

Champ is also very high on Brandon Marshall. We work on his speed a bit, and Baby T.O. might be yet another steal. He's a big dude and can be expected to be a little slower. Rice and T.O. were not burners either. We can work on his speed some and get in that consistent 4.5 range I think. At any rate, Champ likes him alot, which is good enough for me.