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Atlas
05-20-2006, 04:54 AM
This is a GREAT analysis. On the left they say where the player was selected. In bold on the right the author stats where that players value was and if the team got value in the selection. This is very good.

2006 DRAFT PICKS
Links go to write-ups at NFL.com

SoCals link: http://www.900footballlinks.net/broncosbottom.htm

Denver
Rd Sel# Player Pos. Ht. Wt. School Jay's ranking Jay's draft value
1 11 Cutler, Jay QB 6-3 225 Vanderbilt # 3 QB Round 1
2 61 Scheffler, Tony TE 6-5 255 Western Michigan # 9 TE Round 4
4 119 Marshall, Brandon WR 6-4 230 Central Florida # 7 WR Round 3
4 126 Dumervil, Elvis DE 5-11 258 Louisville # 17 DE Round 4
4 130 Hixon, Domenik WR 6-2 210 Akron Late Round Value > Round 4
5 161 Kuper, Chris G 6-4 302 North Dakota # 6 OG Round 3
6 198 Eslinger, Greg C 6-3 291 Minnesota # 3 C Round 3
FA Bell, Mike RB 6-0 221 Arizona # 11 RB Round 3
FA Powers-Neal, Rashon FB 6-2 240 Notre Dame Late Round Value > Round 4
FA Burton, Antwon DT 6-2 308 Temple Late Round Value > Round 4

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A- 2006 COLLEGE DRAFT REPORT CARD
by Jay Goldberg

The Broncos did a good job of drafting for value. While they grabbed Scheffler higher than where I had him valued, Scheffler is a player I identified as one who will perform better in the NFL than many drafted ahead of him. Since he was drafted in round two, that makes him a player who will perform to expectations at the spot at which he was drafted. A side note - this is the second year in a row that the Broncos selected three players from my list of players who will have better NFL careers than many selected ahead of them in the draft. Last year the three were CBs Williams, Foxworth and Paymah, and two have already paid dividends.

The A- grade is inclusive of the draft day trade for Javon Walker. With the Broncos recent history of drafted receivers performing below expectations, getting a known quantity like Walker was a good move for many reasons. Walker was on his way to being one of the top receivers in the NFL before blowing out his knee. He will provide the Broncos with a major weapon at wide receiver. Now on to analyzing the Broncos' draft picks. Cutler was my third rated quarterback and I did not have as high a grade on him as other draft analysts. However, when the Broncos selected him; he was the top rated quarterback on my draft board; in my mock draft I had the Broncos taking Cutler with the 15th pick in round one because he fits their system and the Broncos (along with teams like the Steelers and Patriots) are adept at not only drafting good players, but players that fit their system; and the key to drafting a quarterback in round one is drafting a quarterback you really like, and the Broncos liked Cutler enough to maneuver to get him. I hate some of the inane quotes you hear on draft day, especially as it relates to drafting quarterbacks early. Comments like, if you have an early selection and have a need at quarterback you should draft one because you may never be in that position again, or you have to consider drafting a quarterback if he is the best value on your board, even if you have no major need at the position, etc., etc., etc. Such nonsense. If a quarterback is drafted in round one, a team has to feel strongly that that quarterback is the guy they want at that position long term. If you miss on a quarterback early, all you get is a horrible salary cap hit. At least if you miss on a position player, that player can play on special teams, be used in situational offenses or defenses, be used as an injury replacement without being too much of a liability, etc. The Broncos believe strongly in Cutler and there was no other quarterback available that would have been a better selection, so the Cutler pick was a good one, even though they drafted him higher in round one than where I had him graded. Scheffler in round two was another interesting pick. I had a late third/early fourth round grade on him; but then I indicated he will be a steal at that spot. The net result is the Broncos drafted him where I thought his talent level was, even though the depth at tight end in the draft, the fact that he played for a small school with a very dominate receiver (Greg Jennings) which helped take coverage away from him, and that the fact that he needs to get stronger to become a better blocker, resulted in me believing that he would be available a round or so later than where the Broncos drafted him. Scheffler has very good speed, quickness, hands, and athletic ability. His selection is interesting, however, because the word I read from the Broncos is that they let Putzier go because of his limitations blocking, and that is Scheffler's weak area as well. Brandon Marshall was also on my "list." This time the Broncos drafted a receiver who will be a star in the league in three years. He will need two or three years to arrive, so Bronco fans, be patient. Marshall has excellent size, good hands, can break tackles, is a willing target over the middle, and can make big plays down the field. At the Hula Bowl, he was a man among boys. If drafting on college production alone, Dumervil would have been a first round pick, however he is undersized for an end, and possesses only average speed. But Dumervil is very strong, and is plain and simple, a football player. This year he should be a good situational pass rusher. Later in his career he will develop into a regular rotation at end. While the Broncos reached a bit for Hixon, it's clear with Walker and Marshall already on board, Hixon was drafted primarily for his return ability. He has the potential to develop into a good kick returner. As a receiver, Hixon was thought to be a possession receiver with limited speed. Then he ran a 4.36 forty. Therefore, he does have some upside there as well. Kuper is the third player Denver drafted on my "list." Kuper is another example of Denver drafting a player who fits their system perfectly. Kuper is a quick, athletic undersized guard that will thrive in the Broncos' system. He has a shot to win the starting right guard job this year or next. I had a third round grade on Kuper, who just may have been the most athletic guard in the draft. Eslinger was good value in round six. I also had a third round grade on him. Eslinger is a bit light (although very strong) for a center, but Denver likes them that way. In fact, the player Eslinger most resembles is the Broncos starting center, Tom Nalen.

Running back was the only position where the Broncos did not draft a player, where I thought they could use an additional body. I am not convinced that Ron Dayne can be a lead back, and he certainly can't be the power back in a two-back rotation - just ask any New York Giant fan or coach. In fact, if Dayne shares the position, he should not be the back the ball is given to in short yardage and goal line situations. However, free agent signee Mike Bell could be that back. I had a third round grade on this bull of a back who has Mike-Anderson-like skills. Bell is also a better receiver than most think. Another free agent signing of note was Powers-Neal. He is a west coast type of fullback, a better receiver than blocker who can be effective as a runner. He has a shot to make the roster, but could be a candidate for the Broncos' practice squad. The Broncos also signed Antwon Burton, a defensive tackle who could stick as an inside rusher in the nickel and backup. Down the line he could blossom into a rotation player at tackle as well.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 04:56 AM
Here they discuss the draft picks one by one.


Cutler Vanderbilt 6'3.2", 226 4.77 1.61 2.79 4.31 7.10 23 26

Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - I'll hold off final judgment until after the Combine, but I don't have Cutler close to Young and Leinhart. In fact, I like Rodgers and Campbell (last year) better than Cutler.

Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - Cutler and Croyle were the talk of practice at the Senior Bowl, but Whitehurst gets the nod, ever so slightly for his play during the game. No quarterback looked great during the game.

Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - An interesting prospect, Cutler put up some big numbers down the stretch against some pretty good competition with little help around him. With good workouts, the big-two could become the big-three.

Mike Mayock, NFL Network - Mayock has Cutler as his clear number one QB. He stated that if he changed teams with Leinart, USC does just as well but Vanderbilt doesn''t win as many games. He has Leinart as his number two.

Butch Davis, Network NFL - Cutler showed a very quick release and tremendous accuracy, especially on deep throws, at the Combine workouts.

Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - Cutler has a strong arm, and extreme confidence. He is a good NFL prospect, but there is too much risk associated with him to be considered a top ten pick. I have him as a mid-to-late first round pick, but that is more in deference to other experts. Personally, I'd group him with Croyle, Jacobs, and Whitehurst as the best of the second tier rather than with Young and Leinart as the worst of the top tier.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 04:57 AM
PLAYER WHO WILL PERFORM BETTER IN NFL THAN MANY DRAFTED BEFORE HIM
Scheffler is an extremely athletic tight end who will be a good receiver in the NFL, but needs to work on his strength and blocking. However, his speed, quickness, and hands are unquestioned, and he will have to be accounted for by defenses in the passing game.

TE/LS
Mike Mayock, NFL Network - Scheffler had a good Combine and has some upside.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 04:58 AM
Marshall Cent Florida 6'4.4", 229 4.49 1.60 2.71 4.31 11.82 6.96 37" 10'0"
PLAYER WHO WILL PERFORM BETTER IN NFL THAN MANY DRAFTED BEFORE HIM

Desire a big receiver? Forget Nance. Forget Baskett. And yes, forget Stovall. Jump on Marshall. He is over 6'4", ran a 4.49 forty at the Combine, and was a man among boys at the Hula Bowl. Marshall has good hands, is strong, can make the tough catch, is both a middle of the field and down the field target, and is a good athlete. He has the best potential to be a star of all of the big receivers in this draft.

WR
Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - At the Hula Bowl, Marshall showed excellent hands, moves, the ability to make the tough catch, toughness, the ability to use his size, and the ability to get deep. Clearly, Marshall was the best player in the game.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 05:00 AM
Dumervil DE

Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - Dumervil lacks the measureables and is undersized, but has tremendous strength and had great college production. In his senior year, Dumervil had 20 sacks, 11 forced fumbles, and 65 tackles. While many will downgrade him because of his shortcomings, I wouldn't bet against him.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 05:00 AM
Hixon WR

WR - NOT AT COMBINE
Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - Hixon is a good kick returner, has good hands, and showed more speed than expected during his workout.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 05:03 AM
Kuper G

PLAYER WHO WILL PERFORM BETTER IN NFL THAN MANY DRAFTED BEFORE HIM

Kuper is a small school prospect who looked dominate in his league. The key to a player like this is his workout numbers to see if he has the athletic ability to translate his skill to the next level. He does. Kuper's speed, quickness and athletic ability were towards the top of the draft class guards. He does need some work in the weight room, but he'll get plenty of that in the NFL.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 05:03 AM
Eslinger G

C
Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - Eslinger is a smart, athletic center who knows how to play his position well. He is not overly big, but is strong and athletic.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 05:04 AM
BELL RB

Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - At the Senior Bowl, Bell showed good cutting ability and power running skills. Not asked to do it all at Arizona, Bell showed he could catch at Senior Bowl week. Bell has speed and toughness, and good cutting ability. He had a very good week of practice at the Senior Bowl.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 05:05 AM
Powers-Neal FB

FB - NOT AT COMBINE
Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - Powers-Neal is a better receiving fullback than blocking fullback. He also has good speed for the position. He could be an asset in a west coast system that primarily uses their fullback to catch the ball.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 05:06 AM
Burton DT

DT/NT - NOT AT COMBINE
Jay Goldberg, 900FootballLinks.NET - Burton missed the 2004 season with a broken foot. He has good strength and athleticism for his position, and has the potential to develop into an inside pass rusher in the nickel defense and a rotation player at tackle.

Atlas
05-20-2006, 05:51 AM
[quote]Brandon Marshall was also on my "list." This time the Broncos drafted a receiver who will be a star in the league in three years. Marshall has excellent size, good hands, can break tackles, is a willing target over the middle, and can make big plays down the field. At the Hula Bowl, he was a man among boys.[/b]

WOW they really seem high on Marshall. "A star in the league within 3 years". I would love that.

watermock
05-20-2006, 06:09 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2889&dateline=1148111384'
Kyla Cole...Invited to mini camp as a wide reciever...

eddie mac
05-20-2006, 06:21 AM
My goodness if my wife looked like that I'd never be on the net again.;D

Paladin
05-20-2006, 07:18 AM
Is she widely recieving?

brother love
05-20-2006, 09:41 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=2889&dateline=1148111384'
Kyla Cole...Invited to mini camp as a wide reciever...

split end?;)

ludo21
05-20-2006, 10:49 AM
poor Atlas.......nice article, and some great info in there.

But with that avvy, we cant actually read what you say. ;D

Mediator12
05-20-2006, 10:58 AM
Hey atlas, Kansas Bronco posted this link early last week I think. It is a good overall analysis of all the teams drafts though. The guy also goes out on a limb more than others with his players destined to be better Pros than College players.

If my search feature worked then I would find the link quicker!

Mediator12
05-20-2006, 11:00 AM
Here it is:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=42158

SportinOne
05-20-2006, 11:05 AM
its kind of like having a smoking hot, woman boss.

she can talk all she wants, but if she doesn't stop wearing those low cut shirts i'm never going to hear her...

you might have to put this next to your avy:

Hey, over here ---->

JCMElway
05-20-2006, 11:42 AM
Here it is:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=42158

Well, I hadn't seen it earlier. So Thanks Atlas!

Mediator12
05-20-2006, 11:50 AM
Well, I hadn't seen it earlier. So Thanks Atlas!


What's wrong JCMElway? You do not spend 24/7 here on the mane in the offseason ;D

Atlas
05-21-2006, 02:27 PM
What's wrong JCMElway? You do not spend 24/7 here on the mane in the offseason ;D

Damn I spend 24/7 on here and I missed it too... Oh well, at least there was some good Kyla Cole talk anyway:gimme:

Liquid Courage
04-09-2007, 01:58 PM
Not sure if it was the Kyla Cole talk or that this guy pretty much nailed our draft assessment from '06, but I remembered this review and thought it would be interesting to get this guys input on this years draft. So I looked up his prognostications for 2007 and thought that many of you may take interest in it - a few surprises!

http://www.900footballlinks.net/2007draftframe.htm

(BTW, I fully realize this should probably be carried into the Draft Forum, but this is where the review came so this is where I thought we could continue the discussion)

Los Broncos
04-09-2007, 02:03 PM
My goodness if my wife looked like that I'd never be on the net again.;D

Dam, are melons in season?

Los Broncos
04-09-2007, 02:05 PM
Is she widely recieving?

Hilarious!

watermock
04-09-2007, 02:21 PM
Dam, are melons in season?

http://www.history.com/minisites/mailcall/images/mailcall_image.jpg

Gunny thinks melons are always in season...if he can't find them, someone pays.

Gunny's advice on Mail Call: " When firing this weapon, make sure your junk is put to one side or the other...you don't want to be a sopranno. "

Ha...I thought I saw it between hies legs with the strap. Too funny. Guinny is absolutely a riot.

Kaylore
04-09-2007, 02:25 PM
Not sure if it was the Kyla Cole talk or that this guy pretty much nailed our draft assessment from '06, but I remembered this review and thought it would be interesting to get this guys input on this years draft. So I looked up his prognostications for 2007 and thought that many of you may take interest in it - a few surprises!

http://www.900footballlinks.net/2007draftframe.htm

(BTW, I fully realize this should probably be carried into the Draft Forum, but this is where the review came so this is where I thought we could continue the discussion)

Johnson, Moss and Willis. I don't think Willis will be there, but not bad.

Atlas
04-09-2007, 02:45 PM
Johnson, Moss and Willis. I don't think Willis will be there, but not bad.

A lot of people around here will be happy if Willis falls.

It appears that Al Wilson's days in Denver are coming to an end. Willis is a fast, quick, tough, athletic true middle linebacker who will start in the middle of the Broncos' defense from day one. While many may feel that Levi Brown would look good at this spot if the draft falls as I have it, Brown is not the quick, athletic type of lineman used in Broncos' blocking scheme.

One of the other guys had Willis falling to 24

CHANGSTER
04-09-2007, 02:49 PM
Condren
SS/FS
Troy

Lynch and Ferguson and still get it done but both are in their 30's. Condren is a rare athlete. At Troy he got by on his athleticism so he will need to learn to play within a system. With Lynch and Ferguson on hand he will have time (and mentors). In the meantime, he will be a special teams demon. How special an athlete is Condren? How about 24 reps, 4.47 in the forty, 4.10 short shuttle, 6.69 three-cone, a 43" vertical and a 11'3" broad jump! Huh?? This is a good football player and a rare athlete.

Never heard of him. Anyone have any insight?

Kaylore
04-09-2007, 02:57 PM
A lot of people around here will be happy if Willis falls.

One of the other guys had Willis falling to 24
You know I have trouble buying that both Brown and Willis will fall. It seems unlikely that a team like Carolina would take another defensive end over a middle linebacker, or that Olson will be drafted ahead of Levi Brown.

Liquid Courage
04-09-2007, 03:04 PM
Never heard of him. Anyone have any insight?

ditto that . . very intriguing numbers!

Kaylore
04-09-2007, 03:24 PM
So here's how it looks according to this guy:

21. Patrick Willis
56. Victor Abiamiri
70. Yamon Figurs
86. Brannon Condren.

Not a terrible first day. I know -Slap- would love it. ;D I'm not a big Abiamiri fan, but if they took him, I wouldn't mind. I think they reached for Figurs, but people forget he's not just a speedy receiver but that he was the best gunner for his team and forced three fumbles doing so in school. Shanahan loves guys that are physically gifted and can play special teams.

As far as this Brannon Condren guy, I have never heard of him and can't find anything on any of the usual sites.

CONDREN BRANNON TROY SS/FS 6'0.7" 208 24 reps 40 4.47 10 1.49 20 2.53 SHORT 4.10 3CONE 6.94 VERTICLE 43" BROAD 11'3"

His numbers were among the best available for strong safety prospects. It doesn't look like he played much last year.

Arkansas Bronco
04-09-2007, 03:48 PM
Harrell went number 18 in his mock and he talks about how he has star potential. If we cant sign a DT I hope we grab him. I have my doubts about Moss.

Liquid Courage
04-09-2007, 04:56 PM
Harrell went number 18 in his mock and he talks about how he has star potential. If we cant sign a DT I hope we grab him. I have my doubts about Moss.

100% agree! Harrell is a force and will pay dividends much faster than Moss IMO; not to mention he fills what I think is a bigger void (both literally and figuratively); the quality of DTs on our team is basically 1 and done while we have at least some rotational quality at DE (Ekuban, Lang, Dumervile, etc.). PLUS, the distance between Moss in the 1st and a DE in the 2nd/3rd seems much shorter than the distance between Harrell in the 1st and a DT in the 2nd/3rd.

Mediator12
04-09-2007, 10:54 PM
He just copyright infringed my OM draft from TB.

He selected:

1. Calvin Johnson

2a. Jarvis Moss

2b. Josh Gattis

3. Marcus Thomas (I did have Ray McDonald, but that is the other Florida DT)



What are the chances he reads the OM? My Lawyer will be drawing up the lawsuit very quickly ;D

I want credit for that!

El Minion
06-06-2007, 10:12 PM
Here is his take of the '07 draft (http://www.900footballlinks.net/broncosframe.htm):

C

2007 COLLEGE DRAFT REPORT CARD

by Jay Goldberg

The Broncos reached a bit for Moss in round one, but got intriguing players in rounds two and four. Since they did most of their work prior to the draft, they didn't have a large number of needs which is reflected in the small number of college street free agents signed. However, a linebacker (lost Al Wilson, moving D.J. Williams to the middle and former Seahawk Lewis has not been able to stay healthy and Holdman's best days may be behind him) and a return man would have been nice additions, even if they signed quality college street free agents to compete for spots.

For the second year in a row I had the Bronco's first round selection identified correctly in my mock draft, and both times they traded up to make the pick. Both times the Broncos had the player they selected rated higher than me. Last year, however, I felt the trade up was a good move because if a team believes strongly in a first round quarterback, making a bold move to get that player is the right thing to do. This year, however, I'm not sure the Broncos needed to make the trade to get Moss. Even if they lost him, Spencer would have been a good alternative option. In addition, Beason, or even better, Posluszny could have been taken in round one if the Broncos did not like Spencer. I was in the minority in having a second round grade on Moss, which is why I had him going in round one in my mock draft. When I rank players it is all about probability. With Moss showing only average quickness and only lifting the bar 16 times in workouts, red flags came up for me. He didn't play the run all that well in college and his workout shows why. He will need to bulk up and get stronger if he is going to be dominate versus the run. While he has the frame to to this, what will be the impact on his quickness if he does, and how will that impact his pass rushing ability? This does not mean that Moss will not be a top NFL player. It just makes it more likely he will be a one dimensional pass rushing defensive end than a dominate end who can play the run and the pass. Hence my second round grade. On the other hand, Crowder is a player I like a lot. I had a second round grade on him, and had a higher opinion of his NFL future than many other draft analysts. Crowder had more sacks than Moss last year, has similar speed, better quickness, and is much stronger. He should develop into an excellent two-way end, one who can stop the run and rush the passer. Harris is an example of a player who fell during the post-season. He got beat often during at Senior Bowl practices. However, he has the quick feet the Broncos' like in offensive lineman, and could develop into a solid right tackle. Thomas is a run stuffing defensive tackle who can occupy blockers and play off blocks to make tackles. Well, he can do that as long as he isn't high. The concerns about Thomas are not on the field; they are off the field.

The Broncos didn't sign many college street free agents. However, they did add a few worth mentioning. Fenton is a center I thought could fall out of the draft because he is coming off a leg injury. However, he is a tough kid with good quickness and athleticism, and is a candidate for the Broncos' development squad. He could contribute down the line. Harris was off my board because he didn't have a notable college career, and he is light for a defensive tackle. However, at times he was unblockable at East West Shrine Game practices and is worth a look in camp. Rogers is another player whose draft status was hurt by injuries. He is a smart free safety with a nose for the ball. He could surprise at a deep position. Young is a tough kid who could do well in the zone blocking scheme. However, he does lack top end speed. Two college street free agents the Broncos could have used in free agency were Sam Olajubutu an undersized linebacker who is just plain and simply a football player, and Mike Mason a speedy receiver who can return punts and kicks.

DenverBrit
06-07-2007, 01:02 AM
Here is his take of the '07 draft (http://www.900footballlinks.net/broncosframe.htm):

Sometimes I wonder about sports writers. Goldberg doesn't seem to know the difference between 'Dominate' and 'Dominant'. But I bet he knows the difference between 'Rebuilding' and 'Reloading.' :clown:

He will need to bulk up and get stronger if he is going to be dominate versus the run. While he has the frame to to this, what will be the impact on his quickness if he does, and how will that impact his pass rushing ability? This does not mean that Moss will not be a top NFL player. It just makes it more likely he will be a one dimensional pass rushing defensive end than a dominate end who can play the run and the pass.