More Iranian Madness...

[Smiling Assassin27]

Iran eyes badges for Jews
Law would require non-Muslim insignia
Chris Wattie
National Post


Friday, May 19, 2006



Jews were made to wear stars to identify them in Nazi Germany.

Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.

Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.

"There's no reason to believe they won't pass this," said Rabbi Hier. "It will certainly pass unless there's some sort of international outcry over this."

Bernie Farber, the chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said he was "stunned" by the measure. "We thought this had gone the way of the dodo bird, but clearly in Iran everything old and bad is new again," he said. "It's state-sponsored religious discrimination."

Ali Behroozian, an Iranian exile living in Toronto, said the law could come into force as early as next year.

It would make religious minorities immediately identifiable and allow Muslims to avoid contact with non-Muslims.

Mr. Behroozian said it will make life even more difficult for Iran's small pockets of Jewish, Christian and other religious minorities -- the country is overwhelmingly Shi'ite Muslim. "They have all been persecuted for a while, but these new dress rules are going to make things worse for them," he said.

The new law was drafted two years ago, but was stuck in the Iranian parliament until recently when it was revived at the behest of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

A spokesman for the Iranian Embassy in Ottawa refused to comment on the measures. "This is nothing to do with anything here," said a press secretary who identified himself as Mr. Gharmani.

"We are not here to answer such questions."

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre has written to Kofi Annan, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, protesting the Iranian law and calling on the international community to bring pressure on Iran to drop the measure.

"The world should not ignore this," said Rabbi Hier. "The world ignored Hitler for many years -- he was dismissed as a demagogue, they said he'd never come to power -- and we were all wrong."

Mr. Farber said Canada and other nations should take action to isolate Mr. Ahmadinejad in light of the new law, which he called "chilling," and his previous string of anti-Semitic statements.

"There are some very frightening parallels here," he said. "It's time to start considering how we're going to deal with this person."

Mr. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly described the Holocaust as a myth and earlier this year announced Iran would host a conference to re-examine the history of the Nazis' "Final Solution."

He has caused international outrage by publicly calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons, but Tehran believed by Western nations to be developing its own nuclear military capability, in defiance of international protocols and peace treaties.

The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.

[SteveTensi13]

I'm sure LABF will excuse it by saying they are badges of "honor". We all know how LABF makes excuses for that madman, being anti-semetic and all.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm sure LABF will excuse it by saying they are badges of "honor". We all know how LABF makes excuses for that madman, being anti-semetic and all.

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[DBruleU]

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Just the picture?

Not going to refute what he has said about you?

I can only assume he is right then. So be it...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Not going to refute what he has said about you?

Did I miss something?

Did he meet the burden of proof in showing how I'm "anti-semetic(sic)?"

Did he provide some example or other that would substantiate this idiotic accusation?

I can only assume he is right then.

You know what they say about assuming...

(And we know it wouldn't be the first time here for you.)

[DBruleU]

Did I miss something?

Did he meet the burden of proof in showing how I'm "anti-semetic(sic)?"

Did he provide some example or other that would substantiate this idiotic accusation?



You know what they say about assuming...

(And we know it wouldn't be the first time here for you.)

You do the same crap all the time bud...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You do the same crap all the time bud...

That's total bullsh_t and you know it.

I don't make accusations like those w/o trying to back them up with facts or examples or sound arguments.

But what am I thinking, expecting you to know the difference or to give an honest accounting?

[SPfloppy]

Sease Fire boys. The Common enemy here is the soveregn nation of Iran and her president. Allow me to step back and play devil's advocate here. Now Amedij...whatever the president of Iran is an evil bastard with nothing but bad intentions but please let me put in prspective maybe some of the reason he is trying to pull a tiger's tail.

1. There are now over 200,000 US troops in the region Not just in Iraq, but in Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi, Turkey, Bahrain, Oman, Yemen ect. There are US war ships capable of giving a pretty good start to a war and then leaving that come within less than 50 miles of his coast. There are Air Bases that with thier combined fighters, bombers and recon planes can effect a great start toward Air Supiriority very quickly project and sutain Air Power against anywhere they want. Additionlly he knows we have more than 8,000 nuclear weapons. 600 of those can be anywhere in the world in 30 min or less or your next one's free. All of these things considered if you were the ruler of any nation would you do anything you could to bull---- the powers that control those forces as long as you could to keep not only your butt safe but to keep your nation from having to fly the stars and stripes next to it? He is the ruler of a nation who has the safety and wellfare of millions of citizens to think of.
Now all that said, this guy is dangerous and likely a threat to our way of life if he can be. Given enough time I believe he could and would strike us at home even if it meant his fall just to make the people of our nation fear the Muslim world even more. One day it will come to it. When it does we cannot be so willing to be nice about our invasion. We cannot let the suddenly free and liberated people of Iran run about the country and reorganize into militia that attacks and then blends into the populace. If we are going to do it don't embed reporters because the people of this nation want a winner but they don't want to see the way we would have to do it this time.

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We all know how LABF makes excuses for that madman, being anti-semetic and all.

This from the same moron who, just a couple days ago, made the blanket assertion that "liberals are anti-semetic(sic)."

Imagine the shock when just about every Jew in NYC finds out!

:D

[Bronx33]

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Just a few years ago you would have been put to death for being funny...LOL

[DBruleU]

That's total bullsh_t and you know it.

I don't make accusations like those w/o trying to back them up with facts or examples or sound arguments.

But what am I thinking, expecting you to know the difference or to give an honest accounting?

You mean your assertion that I'm a "Christian" was accompanied with facts as to why I'm a "Christian."

I think not.

[jhat01]

We are going to war with this country. Dark days ahead man, dark days ahead.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You mean your assertion that I'm a "Christian" was accompanied with facts as to why I'm a "Christian."

I think not.

I said "facts or examples or sound arguments."

[DBruleU]

I said "facts or examples or sound arguments."

I know you did.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We are going to war with this country. Dark days ahead man, dark days ahead.

I'm trying to hold onto a slender thread of hope that even Dim Son and the neo-cons aren't that stupid.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I know you did.

I cited examples of how your support for Dim Son's policies was inconsistent with Christ's teachings.

Your little buddy, on the other hand, just accused me of being "anti-semetic(sic)" without offering any justification whatsoever for this claim.

[jhat01]

I'm trying to hold onto a slender thread of hope that even Dim Son and the neo-cons aren't that stupid.

I cling to that hope as well, but if Ahmadinejad pushes this badge thing through, he just may force Israel's hand:

Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter responded to the new law Friday night, saying, "Whoever makes Jews anywhere wear the yellow star again, will find themselves in a coffin draped in black."

[DBruleU]

I cited examples of how your support for Dim Son's policies was inconsistent with Christ's teachings.

Your little buddy, on the other hand, just accused me of being "anti-semetic(sic)" without offering any justification whatsoever for this claim.

Examples?

You told me since I follow Bush, it's in direct contridiction of what Jesus Christ taught...

Nice LABF...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Examples?

You told me since I follow Bush, it's in direct contridiction of what Jesus Christ taught...

Nice LABF...

Another lie.

I cited specific examples of behaviors Christ would not condone that you support, e.g., torture, invading a country on false pretenses in order to steal its resources, killing innocent men, women, and children, etc.

Your buddy SteveTensi13, on the other hand, has not produced one shred of evidence or given one example to support his claim that I'm "anti-semetic(sic)."

Your continued attempt to make the comparison you are trying to make here is nothing but a desperate act by a desperate man who knows he is out of ammo.

[BABronco]

Can't you guys just make a LABF and DBruleU thread act like 3 year olds thread?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Can't you guys just make a LABF and DBruleU thread act like 3 year olds thread?

Um, hello?

If you can't handle conflict, then perhaps you should avoid forums designated for the discussion of politics and religion.

There's also a neat little feature called "ignore" you might want to try.

[Orange4ever]

Um, hello?

If you can't handle conflict, then perhaps you should avoid forums designated for the discussion of politics and religion.

There's also a neat little feature called "ignore" you might want to try.

LABF, you need to get out some more and get laid!! Stop taking life so seriously, we're all gonna die and you don't wanna die bitter and resentful.

[BABronco]

Hmm, actually it sounds like a I'm trying to prove that I can discredit you before you can discredit me fight.

[Bronx33]

Hmm, actually it sounds like a I'm trying to prove that I can discredit you before you can discredit me fight.


Welcome to LAFFS world.

[Bronx33]

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!!!! !!!

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7275

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - European countries have asked the United States to consider selling new airplanes to Iran as part of a proposed package of incentives aimed at resolving the nuclear crisis with Tehran, diplomats said on Friday.

The Europeans have also proposed a regional dialogue that some hope could eventually draw the Washington and Tehran, adversaries for a generation, into direct talks.

The package was formally presented to the United States, Russia and China shortly after it was agreed on Thursday by Britain, France, Germany and European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana, one diplomat told Reuters.

When the United States first signed on to a European initiative in early 2005 aimed at persuading Iran to abandon nuclear weapons-related activities, it agreed to consider selling airplane spare parts as an inducement to Tehran.

But Iran, under sweeping U.S. sanctions for three decades, has also asked for planes to modernize its aging fleet.

One question for Washington now is "could we go beyond spare parts and consider providing Iran with new planes, which would necessarily need acceptance by the U.S.," a senior European diplomat told reporters.

Another European diplomat said the package "will have some element concerning airplanes ... The proposal is framed toward what the Iranians told us they were interested in last year before negotiations ended."

The United States and major powers are involved in a diplomatic stand-off with Iran over its nuclear program -- which the West says is aimed at producing nuclear weapons but which Tehran insists is purely a peaceful energy program.

[Bronx33]

Well Mr Ahmadinejad this means no more nikey running shoes ya know.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=398274b5-9210-43e4-ba59-fa24f4c66ad4&k=28534&p=1

While the Iranian economy appears to be heading for recession, one sector may have some reason for optimism. That sector is the garment industry and the reason for hopefulness is a law passed by the Islamic Majlis (parliament) on Monday.

The law mandates the government to make sure that all Iranians wear "standard Islamic garments" designed to remove ethnic and class distinctions reflected in clothing, and to eliminate "the influence of the infidel" on the way Iranians, especially, the young dress. It also envisages separate dress codes for religious minorities, Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians, who will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public. The new codes would enable Muslims to easily recognize non-Muslims so that they can avoid shaking hands with them by mistake, and thus becoming najis (unclean).

The new law, drafted during the presidency of Muhammad Khatami in 2004, had been blocked within the Majlis. That blockage, however, has been removed under pressure from Khatami's successor, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The new law replaces the one passed in 1982 dealing with women's clothes. That law imposed the hijab and focused on the need to force women to cover their hair in public. The emphasis on the hijab was based on the belief that women's hair emanates an "evil ray" that drives men "into lustful irrationality" and thus causes harm to Islam. The new law cannot come into effect until consensus is reached on what constitutes "authentic Islamic attire."

The world's estimated 1.3 billion Muslims live in more than 180 different countries and dress in a bewilderingly large number of styles reflecting national, tribal, ethnic and folkloric traditions. The Ethnological Museum in Tehran shows that Iran itself is home to hundreds of different styles of clothing for men and women.

According to Ahmadinejad, the new Islamic uniforms will establish "visual equality" for Iranians as they prepare for the return of the Hidden Imam.

A committee that consists of members from the Ministry of Islamic Orientation, the Ministry of Commerce and the Cultural Subcommittee of the Islamic Majlis is scheduled to propose the new uniforms by next autumn. These would then have to be approved by the "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenei before being imposed by law.

Although the final shape of the uniforms is yet to be established, there is consensus on a number of points. The idea of adopting an Arab-style robe (known as dishdash) for men has been rejected along with a proposal that men wear a form of turban.

"Iranians have always worn trousers," says Mostafa Pourhardani, Minister of Islamic Orientation. "Even when the ancient Greeks wore woman-style dresses with skirts, the Persians had trousers. We are not going to force Iranian men to do away with trousers although they predate Islam."

What men will wear on top is not clear yet.

Some Islamic experts want a kind of long, almost European-style, jacket known as "sardari" and used in Iran for centuries. Others propose only a waistcoat.


On colour schemes, however, there seems to be consensus.

Islamic legislators are unanimous that Islam is incompatible with "gay, wild, provocative colours" such as red, yellow, and light blue, which are supposed to be favoured by Satan. The colours to be imposed by law are expected to be black, brown, dark blue and dark grey.

Some Majlis members have been trying to lift the ban on green, which is, after all, the colour of the Bani Hashem, the family of the Prophet Muhammad, and thus regarded as the colour of Islam. The majority view, however, is that green is not "serious enough" to underline the gravity of a Muslim man's position.

Religious minorities would have their own colour schemes. They will also have to wear special insignia, known as zonnar, to indicate their non-Islamic faiths. Jews would be marked out with a yellow strip of cloth sewn in front of their clothes while Christians will be assigned the colour red. Zoroastrians end up with Persian blue as the colour of their zonnar. It is not clear what will happen to followers of other religions, including Hindus, Bahais and Buddhists, not to mention plain agnostics and atheists, whose very existence is denied by the Islamic Republic.

The new law imposes a total ban on wearing neckties and bow-ties which are regarded as "symbols of the Cross." Will Iranian Christians be allowed to wear them, nevertheless? No one knows.

The law also mandates the government to wage a campaign against "expensive attire" without defining it. Some mullahs, for example, wear robes made of pure hand-woven silk that costs several thousands dollars. Nor is it clear whether or not the kind of blouson (long shirt) that Ahmadinejad often wears would be deemed Islamic. (Shops in Tehran are selling the so-called "presidential" blouson for US$3 apiece.)

One aim of the new law is to impose a total ban on imports of clothes and dress designs from the West. The Majlis hopes that all jeans will disappear from the Iranian scene within five years. The boutiques selling haute couture Western gear for men and women will also be closed over the next few years. A total ban on designer items, marked by logos, will come into force by the end of the year.

"There is no sense in a Muslim man or woman wearing something that is, in fact, an advertisement for an infidel designer or clothing merchant," says Pourharandi.

Another aim of the new law is to abolish the chador, the overall piece of cloth that Iranian women have tucked themselves in for centuries. The reason is that the chador existed before the Khomeinist revolution and thus cannot be regarded as "properly Islamic." Women must wear clothes that would, in fact, transform them into advertising billboards for the regime's ideology.

One remaining problem is to decide the age at which girls should wear the uniforms. At present the hijab is mandatory from the age of six. But some of Ahmadinejad's advisers want to reduce that to four.

During the committee debates on the new law, some Majlis members tried to include articles determining the shape and size of men's beards and mustaches and impose an Islamic standard for male facial hair. But it was agreed that the issue be tackled in another bill to be presented to the Majlis next year.


By September the Majlis is expected to approve an initial budget of US$800-million to help "the poor and the needy" to adopt the new uniforms. All public sector workers, estimated to number 4.5 million, will be in uniform by 2009 at the latest.

What is already labelled "the Islamic clothes revolution" will not be limited to Iran. Tehran has already sent a team to Lebanon to inform the Hezbollah of the new law and train cadres to impose it on Lebanese Shiites.

"Our aim is to make sure that every Muslim, wherever he or she happens to be on this Earth, is a living and walking symbol of Islam," says Pourharandi.

- Iranian author and journalist Amir Taheri is a member of Benador Associates.

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[Bronx33]

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Future in the NBA i don't think so.

[DBruleU]

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Future in the NBA i don't think so.
bwahahah thats good LOL

Maybe he should buy a Viper to compensate for his shortcomings.

[mosca]

Such a law, as described above, would be yet another chilling example of religious fundamentalism gone awry which we seem to be hearing all too often from the Middle East. However, the accuracy of it is in dispute... check out the background of the author of the article and some of his ties. Looks like this is still being sorted out. Check out the Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Iranian_sumptuary_law

[defenseman]

We are going to war with this country. Dark days ahead man, dark days ahead.

Considering this ruler is tracing the steps of Nazi germany and Adolf Hitler. I'm guessing it will be a number of countries wanting to end this guys regime. Not just us....The UN and Koffi will be the hold up to the "allies" taking this guy down, however, it is a must at least the way it appears presently...dman

[defenseman]

An iranian "napoleon" ...dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Such a law, as described above, would be yet another chilling example of religious fundamentalism gone awry which we seem to be hearing all too often from the Middle East. However, the accuracy of it is in dispute... check out the background of the author of the article and some of his ties. Looks like this is still being sorted out. Check out the Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Iranian_sumptuary_law
Yep, the National Post retracted Wattie's original article along with Reuters also reported that "A copy of the bill obtained by Reuters contained no such references. Reuters correspondents who followed the dress code session in parliament as it was broadcast on state radio heard no discussion of proscriptions for religious minorities".

[Rohirrim]

It's amazing to me that we are living in the 21st century and we're still fighting against those whose mindset is in the 11th century. Except that now, they have access to nuclear weapons. Or is that nucular?

[defenseman]

It's amazing to me that we are living in the 21st century and we're still fighting against those whose mindset is in the 11th century. Except that now, they have access to nuclear weapons. Or is that nucular?

Doesn't amaze me at all. There is one or two every generation. I'm thinking part of it is genetic, the other is learned OR made.......they are out there...dman

[TailgateNut]

Doesn't amaze me at all. There is one or two every generation. I'm thinking part of it is genetic, the other is learned OR made.......they are out there...dman

They are OUT THERE, WAY OUT THERE! Just one reason why there should be separation of church and state!

[defenseman]

Separation of church and state is a good thought. Easier in an ideal world, which we obviously are not.....dman