Question

[Bronx33]

Is murtha stupid?

http://www.exposetheleft.com/2006/05/17/murtha-haditha/

Rep. John Murtha appeared on Hardball this evening and made an obscene claim, he said that our Marines “killed civilians” in Iraq. This remark was followed by yet another reprehensible statement; Chris Matthews questioned if what Murtha was talking about like My Lai, to which the Congressman said that was “exactly it”.

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Let me ask you Mr. Murtha to give us some details about that. Draw us a picture of what happened at Haditha.

REP. JOHN “JACK” MURTHA: Well, I’ll tell you exactly what happened. One Marine was killed and the Marines just said we’re going to take care – we don’t know who the enemy is, the pressure was too much on them, so they went into houses and they actually killed civilians. And, and –

MATTHEWS:—was this My Lai? Was this a case of – when you say cold blood Congressman, a lot of people think you’re basically saying you got some civilians sitting in a room around a field and they’re executed.

MURTA: That’s exactly it.

[alkemical]

I have no doubts innocent civilians were killed - it's a war over there -

[Bronx33]

I have no doubts innocent civilians were killed - it's a war over there -


Well the point was this senator is running his piehole and there hasn't been a trial yet.

[DBruleU]

I have no doubts innocent civilians were killed - it's a war over there -

Intentionally? Did they knowingly shoot, and kill innocent civialians?

I highly doubt it.

[Bronx33]

Bob Owens at Confederate Yankee, who has followed the case closely, noted back in March:

There is the possibility that the Marines did gun down innocent civilians as local Iraqis claim. But it is equally as possible that one or more people inside the house opened fire upon the Marines in an ambush after the IED went off. It has happened that way frequently, and that exact scenario left ABC anchor Bob Woodruff and cameraman Doug Vogt seriously wounded, when the IED attack that wounded them was followed by small arms fire from nearby buildings. The attack was broken when coalition forces counterattacked.

Someone who truly supports the troops, even if they do not support the war, would want this incident fully investigated to uncover the truth. They would want to know the facts.

They would want to know if the Marines fired out of blind rage at the loss of their friends, and they would be equally interested in finding out if the Marines assaulted that location because someone inside fired upon them, as they claimed. Was it a slaughter of innocents, or were insurgents firing from within civilian homes? Were those that triggered the IED among the dead? We do not yet know, and some are already passing judgment.

[alkemical]

Tough to get your agenda Bronx33 - i just read it as is/was --


DBRULEU - You need to go to a new "U" - War is ugly business and i have no doubt that some actions taken by Men, who are human - in a city that seems to eat the living and raise the dead - could be listed as 'wrong'.

However, that being said - I have a friend - a marine - who said his goal was to wear a belt made of ears - IMO - i'd rather have no one else serving on the ground in iraq. You have to be a bit crazy and when Roadside bombs are going off, etc - some **** happens.

[DBruleU]

Tough to get your agenda Bronx33 - i just read it as is/was --


DBRULEU - You need to go to a new "U" - War is ugly business and i have no doubt that some actions taken by Men, who are human - in a city that seems to eat the living and raise the dead - could be listed as 'wrong'.

However, that being said - I have a friend - a marine - who said his goal was to wear a belt made of ears - IMO - i'd rather have no one else serving on the ground in iraq. You have to be a bit crazy and when Roadside bombs are going off, etc - some **** happens.

The "U" stand for the word, "You" by the way.

I just wonder. I don't think we have marines in Iraq just killing innocent civilians each day. They may become "Collateral Damage" during certain circumstances, but I just dont think we have marines willingly, and knowingly killing innocent civialians.

[alkemical]

The "U" stand for the word, "You" by the way.

I just wonder. I don't think we have marines in Iraq just killing innocent civilians each day. They may become "Collateral Damage" during certain circumstances, but I just dont think we have marines willingly, and knowingly killing innocent civialians.


Oh i know what the "U" was referring to, I'm just taking the easy mark that you are to task.

it's how it is man - during war, things are not done according to any nec. rule - I mean, didn't the USAF knowingly kill innocent civillians with their bombs?


Collateral Damage still has innocent people - Elseif you disagree - an argument from the terrorists would be that those killed on 9/11 would be collateral damage.

[Bronx33]

No agenda, just pointing out another stupid senator that should know and understand the judicial system but is stupid enough to make a call publically before any trial has been done.

[alkemical]

No agenda, just pointing out another stupid senator that should know and understand the judicial system but is stupid enough to make a call publically before any trial has been done.


Well i gathered that now bronx - i just read it as it was -

who serving in gov't actually knows how the 3 branches works anyway?