Confidence In GOP Is At New Low in Poll

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Public confidence in GOP governance has plunged to the lowest levels of the Bush presidency, with Americans saying by wide margins that they now trust Democrats more than Republicans to deal with Iraq, the economy, immigration and other issues, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll that underscores the GOP's fragile grip on power six months before the midterm elections.

Dissatisfaction with the administration's policies in Iraq has overwhelmed other issues as the source of problems for President Bush and the Republicans. The survey suggests that pessimism about the direction of the country -- 69 percent said the nation is now off track -- and disaffection with Republicans has dramatically improved Democrats' chances to make gains in November.

Democrats are now favored to handle all 10 issues measured in the Post-ABC News poll. The survey shows a majority of the public, 56 percent, saying they would prefer to see Democrats in control of Congress after the elections.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/16/AR2006051601264.html

[gunns]

Wow, 56% is 11% higher than the one I posted last month.

[DBruleU]

Look's like you have '08 pretty much wrapped up, eh?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Look's like you have '08 pretty much wrapped up, eh?

Never fear - you'll still have your "secret weapon" to fall back on.

http://homepage.mac.com/rcareaga/diebold/little_die/diebold_3a.jpg

[DBruleU]

Never fear - you'll still have your "secret weapon" to fall back on.

http://homepage.mac.com/rcareaga/diebold/little_die/diebold_3a.jpg

True.

That will at least keep you busy after the elections.

[fdf]

Look's like you have '08 pretty much wrapped up, eh?

The reason the polls are so low is that conservatives are deeply discouraged at the performance of the Republicans in the white house and in congress over a number of issues--immigration and runaway spending probably being the top two annoyances.

We have controlled the government for four years now and the Republican congress is spending like, well, a bunch of democrats. That's not why we elected them. Republicans have consolidated power at the federal level at the expense of the states like, well, democrats. Republicans have pushed out new entitlement programs like, well, democrats.

What's especially discouraging is that there's no useful alternative. If you punish the Republicans by electing dems, they too will spend like democrats and their priorities on a lot of important spending items (like having a military) are way off. And, they will raise taxes to boot, surrender in the WOT, and appoint horrible judges like Ruth Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer to the Supremes. So there's really no viable alternative for the 40-45% of the population that is conservative. At this point, the republicans get the conservative vote because they suck a just little less than the dems.

It feels right now that the entire governing process is completely out of control in the US and that we really aren't being represented by our elected officials, even though they are supposed to be the good guys.

So Bush's numbers amongst conservatives have plummeted and that is what has driven the polls down. The unrelenting media blitz against W has also, of course, contributed.

The question for 2008 is, are the conservatives upset enough to stay home on election day and turn the wheel over to the angry moonbats in the middle of a war. I suspect not but it could happen--that's how Clinton got elected with about 42% of the vote in 1992 when conservatives read W's dad's lips and stayed home. Immigration could well turn out to be the 2008 equivalent of W's dad raising taxes.

If it's McCain, a lot of conservatives will almost certainly stay home and we may witness the beginning of a dramatic party realignment in America--all the seeds are there when 40-45% of the population realizes that neither party represents their interests.

I'm not sure how that realignment will turn out--the left might just eke out some victories while it's happening. But the only effect of that in the long run is that it will remind the voters again why the left needs to be kept in a little, locked 'angry box' in Ward Churchill's desk and never allowed close to the levers of power.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But the only effect of that in the long run is that it will remind the voters again why the left needs to be kept in a little, locked 'angry box' in Ward Churchill's desk and never allowed close to the levers of power.

:stupid:

Riiiiiiight, Rush.

We wouldn't want to allow the Dems to get too "close to the levers of power" - we might end up with horrible things like balanced budgets, sane foreign policy, smaller government, and another one of those awful economic expansion things - just like last the time!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Democrats are now favored to handle all 10 issues measured in the Post-ABC News poll. The survey shows a majority of the public, 56 percent, saying they would prefer to see Democrats in control of Congress after the elections.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051601264.html

All I can say is: Thank God people like fdf are the minority.

[spdirty]

The reason the polls are so low is that conservatives are deeply discouraged at the performance of the Republicans in the white house and in congress over a number of issues--immigration and runaway spending probably being the top two annoyances.

We have controlled the government for four years now and the Republican congress is spending like, well, a bunch of democrats. That's not why we elected them. Republicans have consolidated power at the federal level at the expense of the states like, well, democrats. Republicans have pushed out new entitlement programs like, well, democrats.

What's especially discouraging is that there's no useful alternative. If you punish the Republicans by electing dems, they too will spend like democrats and their priorities on a lot of important spending items (like having a military) are way off. And, they will raise taxes to boot, surrender in the WOT, and appoint horrible judges like Ruth Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer to the Supremes. So there's really no viable alternative for the 40-45% of the population that is conservative. At this point, the republicans get the conservative vote because they suck a just little less than the dems.

It feels right now that the entire governing process is completely out of control in the US and that we really aren't being represented by our elected officials, even though they are supposed to be the good guys.

So Bush's numbers amongst conservatives have plummeted and that is what has driven the polls down. The unrelenting media blitz against W has also, of course, contributed.

The question for 2008 is, are the conservatives upset enough to stay home on election day and turn the wheel over to the angry moonbats in the middle of a war. I suspect not but it could happen--that's how Clinton got elected with about 42% of the vote in 1992 when conservatives read W's dad's lips and stayed home. Immigration could well turn out to be the 2008 equivalent of W's dad raising taxes.

If it's McCain, a lot of conservatives will almost certainly stay home and we may witness the beginning of a dramatic party realignment in America--all the seeds are there when 40-45% of the population realizes that neither party represents their interests.

I'm not sure how that realignment will turn out--the left might just eke out some victories while it's happening. But the only effect of that in the long run is that it will remind the voters again why the left needs to be kept in a little, locked 'angry box' in Ward Churchill's desk and never allowed close to the levers of power.


I couldnt agree more. That was right on the money. But where in the hell do we turn?? I mean conservatives have busted their asses for decades trying to get where we are...all 3 Branches of Government. And theyre gonna just blow it up. I don't know man, but we have absolutely got to make the point to these bums who don't give a damn about the ideology they pretend to represent that they will not be in office any longer if they keep pulling this crap. Im telling you, the GOP keeps screwing around, I wouldn't be surprised if the donkeys took the house and senate back and here come impeachment proceedings, 1 or 2 years before President Bush is out of office. (yeah, I know, we did it to Clinton).

God, you know its getting bad when even Rush, the eternal optimist, thinks this next election cycle might be a nightmare.

[spdirty]

:stupid:

Riiiiiiight, Rush.

We wouldn't want to allow the Dems to get too "close to the levers of power" - we might end up with horrible things like balanced budgets, sane foreign policy, smaller government, and another one of those awful economic expansion things - just like last the time!

Your in favor of smaller government? Wow. Cool.

[ClevelandBronco]

Democrats are now favored to handle all 10 issues measured in the Post-ABC News poll. The survey shows a majority of the public, 56 percent, saying they would prefer to see Democrats in control of Congress after the elections.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051601264.html

All I can say is: Thank God people like fdf are the minority.

Rest assured, LAFF, we're still a huge voting bloc, even though we're not a majority.

The pitiful performance of the politicians we've voted for hasn't changed who we are. We exist independently of the Bush Administration. Even your candidate will have to deal with us, even while he (she) denies that he (she) has anything to do with your socialist workers bull****.

[ClevelandBronco]

All I can say is: Thank God people like fdf are the minority.

And I thank God (by the way, I'm thanking God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit within us — I have no idea what God you might imagine yourself thanking, but that is mine) that you even show up here.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Rest assured, LAFF, we're still a huge voting bloc, even though we're not a majority.

Huge?

Terri Schiavo exposed your actual size.

And I thank God (by the way, I'm thanking God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit within us — I have no idea what God you might imagine yourself thanking, but that is mine) that you even show up here.

???

[ClevelandBronco]

Try to name a bigger voting bloc.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Try to name a bigger voting bloc.

However big a bloc it may be, it's not big enough...

Democrats are now favored to handle all 10 issues measured in the Post-ABC News poll. The survey shows a majority of the public, 56 percent, saying they would prefer to see Democrats in control of Congress after the elections.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051601264.html

[ClevelandBronco]

Keep the "faith."

[fdf]

Your in favor of smaller government? Wow. Cool.

I get a kick out of lefties trying to take credit for Newt Gingrich's accomplishments. Those were the days, huh? When a Republican congress actually acted like Republicans.

[Blueflame]

I couldnt agree more. That was right on the money. But where in the hell do we turn?? I mean conservatives have bust their asses for decades trying to get where we are...all 3 houses of Congress. And theyre gonna just blow it up. I don't know man, but we have absolutely got to make the point to these bums who don't give a damn about the ideology they pretend to represent that they will not be in office any longer if they keep pulling this crap. Im telling you, the GOP keeps screwing around, I wouldn't be surprised if the donkeys took the house and senate back and here come impeachment proceedings, 1 or 2 years before President Bush is out of office. (yeah, I know, we did it to Clinton).

God, you know its getting bad when even Rush, the eternal optimist, thinks this next election cycle might be a nightmare.

Um, I think you meant "all 3 branches of government and not "all 3 houses of Congress"... :P

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I get a kick out of lefties trying to take credit for Newt Gingrich's accomplishments. Those were the days, huh? When a Republican congress actually acted like Republicans.

:rofl:

Either you have a really short memory or you just have a penchant for revisionist history.

Almost every positive thing Clinton accomplished in the 90s - from deficit reduction right on down the line - was opposed by Newt and the rest of the GOP zipper hunters.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Keep the "faith."

Apparently, my "faith" has outlived your "faith" that Team Bush/Exxon actually shares your values or represents your interests.

[spdirty]

Screw it...we just need to do the unhinkable and nominate Tancredo in '08. BTW, has a Congressman ever gotten a major party nomination before??

[bendog]

Why do people assume that a dem congress and someone like Richardson or Warner would spend more than bush? And bush hasn't exactly made the military stronger. If we had the army he got handed off from clinton, we'd have leverage with Iran.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Why do people assume that a dem congress and someone like Richardson or Warner would spend more than bush? And bush hasn't exactly made the military stronger. If we had the army he got handed off from clinton, we'd have leverage with Iran.

Bingo.

And now, thanks to Bush's abuses of power and gross mismanagement, the only way we're going to build that sort of army again is by reinstating the draft.

Wonder how popular AWOL Boy's wars of choice would be with his supporters if that happened?

[W*GS]

Yet, despite all the GOP screwups, the Democrats have yet to make any sense.

Not surprising, considering that LABF is one of their intellectual giants.

[W*GS]

And now, thanks to Bush's abuses of power and gross mismanagement, the only way we're going to build that sort of army again is by reinstating the draft.

Doesn't your brain work at all unless prompted by far-left talking points and BS?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

W*GS must be close to blowing a gasket as the bad news about his party keeps coming...

Growing Number of GOP Seats In Doubt

Vulnerability Seen In Unusual Places

VIRGINIA BEACH, May 19 -- When some of the country's top political handicappers drew up their charts of vulnerable House incumbents at the beginning of this year, Rep. Thelma D. Drake (R-Va.) was not among them. Now she is.

President Bush carried her district with 58 percent of the vote in 2004, but strategists say his travails are part of the reason the freshman lawmaker now has a fight on her hands. He swooped into town briefly Friday for a closed-door fundraiser for Drake but made no public appearances.

Drake, who won with ease two years ago, is not alone. With approval ratings for Bush and congressional Republicans at a low ebb, GOP strategists see signs of weakness where they least expected it -- including a conservative, military-dominated suburb such as Virginia Beach -- and fear that their problems could grow worse unless the national mood brightens.

Some Republican veterans of the 1994 GOP takeover of Congress see worrisome parallels between then and now, in the way once-safe districts are turning into potential problems. Incumbents' poll numbers have softened. Margins against their Democratic opponents have narrowed. Republican voters appear disenchanted. The Bush effect now amounts to a drag of five percentage points or more in many districts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901921.html

14 GOP Incumbents defeated in primary

Ice down the champagne.

A sure sign of things to come.

Enjoy...

http://www.capoliticalnews.com/discuss.php?id=463

:D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Thank God for George W. Bush

As the Bush presidency implodes, let us thank a wise and merciful God for the wonderful job W is doing to discredit the whole hateful conservative agenda


Sept. 11, 2001, was doubly tragic for our nation. For Osama bin Laden may have been even more diabolical than we think. Not only did his hijackers succeed in killing nearly 3,000 Americans; that was damaging enough. But he made sure that a laughing stock of a president would finally seem presidential. And might be able to ride a wave of national anguish and fear into an eight-year orgy of subverting long-cherished American ideals. (Instead of what otherwise would certainly have been the quickly forgotten four-year watch of a quickly forgotten man.)

Bin Laden knew that no foreigner could destroy what America stands for; only an American could do that. And, indeed, Karl Rove ably exploited the 9/11 tragedy for years, keeping the American people reliably distracted from the harm Bush was doing. For that America will be paying the consequences for generations -- and may indeed never recover. Which is, I believe, the true genius of bin Laden's plan.

But now, nearly five years later, George Bush's incompetence is once again shining brightly for all to see. No one can avoid it -- not even the willfully blind know-nothings referred to as his "base." And as his approval ratings take on Nixonian dimensions, we should at least say thanks. Because he's doing what we, his passionately patriotic opponents, never could: making it undeniably clear that the worst president in American history will have served in our lifetimes. And that every view he has espoused, every plan he's proposed, is a bad idea, since no one as malicious and ignorant as he is could have a good idea.

It should have been clear to all when he made his less-than-Solomonic decision on stem cell research, in the halcyon days before 9/11. Remember how hard he thought; how many important people he consulted! His little brain nearly burst a capillary, so strenuously was it exercised. And then ... and THEN ... he announced it. A decision based on inaccurate information and false assumptions, and immediately deemed inadequate by informed citizens on both sides of the issue.

Such would have been the legacy of the Bush presidency when it ended, with no one regretting it, in January 2005.

The 9/11 attacks saved him from that ignominious fate. But only temporarily, as we are seeing now.

Social Security. Warrantless domestic eavesdropping. The Medicare prescription scam. Katrina. The video showing Bush being warned about Katrina's potential for unprecedented damage and suffering, after he denied being warned.

Tom DeLay. Duke Cunningham. Jack Abramoff. The Dubai ports deal. The continuing Iraq disaster. The continuing stream of information proving he lied to get us into that disaster, after claiming that the many mistakes he made in the run-up to war were honest and unintentional.

The reckless fiscal policy. The feckless foreign policy. The CIA leak case. The incapacitating plunge in morale at the CIA, leading to the resignation of his handpicked choice for director -- all this time after 9/11, while he claimed he was making us safer.

His failures and deceptions are breathtaking in scope, almost inconceivable in harm. But at least even people who voted for him twice can see them now. Because everything Bush has said and done reveals him to be an idiot, a liar, a criminal, or all three.

Bush's credibility is now such that he could propose a tree-planting initiative, and people would conclude that trees must be harmful to the environment. He could suggest sending blankets and canned goods to Darfur, and we'd remember that suffering builds character.

He could go on television with a solution to illegal immigration, and we'd decide that all borders, visas and passports should be abolished.

So thanks, George. The things you supposedly stand for -- smaller government, fiscal responsibility, "traditional values," the "right to life," -- are now exposed as empty slogans and cynical campaign ploys. You've shown -- much better than I ever could -- that the true agenda of Republicans is to acquire and retain power by the most ruthless and undemocratic methods; to expand the ever-growing gap between the rich and the rest of us; and to make intolerance once again as American as apple pie.

Finally, George Bush has succeeded at something.

http://www.counterbias.com/650.html

[Smiling Assassin27]

The reason the polls are so low is that conservatives are deeply discouraged at the performance of the Republicans in the white house and in congress over a number of issues--immigration and runaway spending probably being the top two annoyances.

We have controlled the government for four years now and the Republican congress is spending like, well, a bunch of democrats. That's not why we elected them. Republicans have consolidated power at the federal level at the expense of the states like, well, democrats. Republicans have pushed out new entitlement programs like, well, democrats.

What's especially discouraging is that there's no useful alternative. If you punish the Republicans by electing dems, they too will spend like democrats and their priorities on a lot of important spending items (like having a military) are way off. And, they will raise taxes to boot, surrender in the WOT, and appoint horrible judges like Ruth Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer to the Supremes. So there's really no viable alternative for the 40-45% of the population that is conservative. At this point, the republicans get the conservative vote because they suck a just little less than the dems.

It feels right now that the entire governing process is completely out of control in the US and that we really aren't being represented by our elected officials, even though they are supposed to be the good guys.

So Bush's numbers amongst conservatives have plummeted and that is what has driven the polls down. The unrelenting media blitz against W has also, of course, contributed.

The question for 2008 is, are the conservatives upset enough to stay home on election day and turn the wheel over to the angry moonbats in the middle of a war. I suspect not but it could happen--that's how Clinton got elected with about 42% of the vote in 1992 when conservatives read W's dad's lips and stayed home. Immigration could well turn out to be the 2008 equivalent of W's dad raising taxes.

If it's McCain, a lot of conservatives will almost certainly stay home and we may witness the beginning of a dramatic party realignment in America--all the seeds are there when 40-45% of the population realizes that neither party represents their interests.

I'm not sure how that realignment will turn out--the left might just eke out some victories while it's happening. But the only effect of that in the long run is that it will remind the voters again why the left needs to be kept in a little, locked 'angry box' in Ward Churchill's desk and never allowed close to the levers of power.

lipstick on a pig is still a pig. the Repubs have fumbled over and over again and squandered their chance at making true progress. they deserve the bulk of the blame since they have the bulk of the power.

[defenseman]

A blank check to the democrats and voting a straight "democratic" ticket is not the answer either. Believing for a second that any of this will change if the house and congress went democratic is shear lunacy. If anything, it will just get worse. And , GW will shoulder the blame I'm sure. Not saying he's not implicit, however, there is plenty of blame to go around these days. The american voter just needs to do their homework a bit and just maybe we can get the best possible mix of both parties..dman

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

lipstick on a pig is still a pig. the Repubs have fumbled over and over again and squandered their chance at making true progress. they deserve the bulk of the blame since they have the bulk of the power.

Wow! First honest statement I've heard from a repub/bush supporter in a long time.

Kudos! :thumbsup:

[W*GS]

W*GS must be close to blowing a gasket as the bad news about his party keeps coming...

:bs:

I'm not a Republican, ya dope.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

:bs:

I'm not a Republican, ya dope.
Sure you are even though you claim another label. It's pretty obvious with your constant disdain for the left and support of the right.

[Spider]

:bs:

I'm not a Republican, ya dope.
since when ?

[W*GS]

Sure you are even though you claim another label. It's pretty obvious with your constant disdain for the left and support of the right.

Not you, too.

Does disdain for the left mean support of the right?

Which of the standard right-wing views do you think I have?

[W*GS]

since when ?

Since I've never been a member of the GOP nor have I supported them in any way.

[Spider]

Since I've never been a member of the GOP nor have I supported them in any way.
someone has high jacked your account ......... it happened to mock also .....a while back

[W*GS]

someone has high jacked your account ......... it happened to mock also .....a while back

Which of the standard right-wing views do you think I have?

[Spider]

Which of the standard right-wing views do you think I have?
um supporting high gas prices for one , but then I am not the only one that thinks this of you , it is your posting that leaves this impression ....... Maybe it is your hatred for LABF , maybe it is you like Ward Churchhill are so damn confused you dont know what you are , but even other libertarians here have called you out on your line of thinking ......... suffice to say a few here believe you to be a right winger ..........

[W*GS]

um supporting high gas prices for one ,

Supporting high (and higher) gas prices makes a person a Green.

maybe it is you like Ward Churchhill are so damn confused you dont know what you are

I'm quite clear on what I am.

but even other libertarians here have called you out on your line of thinking .........

Such as?

suffice to say a few here believe you to be a right winger ..........

A few here think the government was responsible for 9/11 too.

[Spider]

Supporting high (and higher) gas prices makes a person a Green
naw it is more then that , what the oil companies are doing is profiteering , plain and simple , and backing the oil companies doing this isnt green it is robber baron ...........



I'm quite clear on what I am.
this is so wide open and easy , I wont take the shot .........



Such as?I dont remember the context , but I do remember taco john busting you on a few issue



A few here think the government was responsible for 9/11 too.
and some believe in god .........6 in one hand half a dozen in the other

[W*GS]

naw it is more then that , what the oil companies are doing is profiteering , plain and simple , and backing the oil companies doing this isnt green it is robber baron ...........

So Greens who advocate European-level gas taxes (which would make current gas prices a bargain) are right-wing too?

It's not "plain and simple" to lots of people that "profiteering" is going on.

this is so wide open and easy , I wont take the shot .........

Go ahead.

I dont remember the context , but I do remember taco john busting you on a few issue

Let's just leave it as your memory is a bit hazy.

and some believe in god .........6 in one hand half a dozen in the other

Your belief that I'm a right-winger or a Republican is simply because LABF has said those things numerous times. Never mind he's full of BS every time.

[Spider]

So Greens who advocate European-level gas taxes (which would make current gas prices a bargain) are right-wing too?

It's not "plain and simple" to lots of people that "profiteering" is going on.
sure it is .........







Let's just leave it as your memory is a bit hazy. if you say so ......... you realy dont have much more then that .......



Your belief that I'm a right-winger or a Republican is simply because LABF has said those things numerous times. Never mind he's full of BS every time.
Yeah , it couldnt have anything to do with your posting .......... Naw ........ :rofl: ..........in case you didnt notice , this last comment is dripping with sarcasim

[W*GS]

sure it is .........

Sure it isn't.

if you say so ......... you realy dont have much more then that .......

§Pide®, nearly all your posts are nothing but your "say-so". BFD.

[Spider]

Sure it isn't. well not those that are in the same world as Churchill ......



§Pide®, nearly all your posts are nothing but your "say-so". BFD.
awwww did your little feelings get hurt ? .... ok W*GS you can be a Libertarian this week ....... feel better now ?

[W*GS]

well not those that are in the same world as Churchill ......

Whatever. You're just being an ass.

awwww did your little feelings get hurt ? .... ok W*GS you can be a Libertarian this week ....... feel better now ?

Do you honestly believe I care one wee bit about what you say?

You're a perfect example of the value of education beyond junior high.

[Spider]

Whatever. You're just being an ass. Did you need a goverment chart to come to this conclusion ?



Do you honestly believe I care one wee bit about what you say?

You're a perfect example of the value of education beyond junior high.
you must , you keep bantering with me ............ now about that loan ?