UFC Hughes VS Gracie

[GonzoLays]

Matt Hughes Vs. Royce Gracie WHO WINS?



Name: Matt Hughes
Height: 5.9
Weight: 169
Record: 40-4-0

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VS


Name: Royce Gracie
Height: 6.1
Weight: 180
Record: 13-1-2

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[scorpio]

Chuck Liddell by eye gouge

[KipCorrington25]

Matt Hughes is just so dominate and so much younger... also he is ruthless, he won't let up or take it easy on Royce.

When Royce was dominate not many people understood the intricacies of B-Ju-Jitsu which isn't the case anymore.

[scorpio]

Seriously, I think Matt will win but he's going to have to lay and pray the whole time to avoid being subbed by Royce

[scorpio]

When Royce was dominate not many people understood the intricacies of B-Ju-Jitsu which isn't the case anymore.

Matt has already lost to BJ Penn, another super-good BJJ practitioner

[DB-Freak]

Hughes by decision.

[GonzoLays]

I will tell you one thing, this matchup is twice as compelling as anything boxing has brought us in the past five years.

[bfoflcommish]

I will tell you one thing, this matchup is twice as compelling as anything boxing has brought us in the past five years.

ITA!

While it may not be 2 of the best fighters around I am also looking forward to the Shmarock/Ortiz rematch.....2 guys who want to beat on eachother, and not just for the money. I just hope it last longer than the last 1.

[Orange_Beard]

I will tell you one thing, this matchup is twice as compelling as anything boxing has brought us in the past five years.

Almost as compelling as a guy hopped up on steriods going for home run records.

[DB-Freak]

Matt has already lost to BJ Penn, another super-good BJJ practitioner
Hughes beat Carlos Newton who is an excellent BJJer twice.

Bj Penn back then was on another level and he would destroy Penn.

Unless Royce really punishes Hughes, Hughes will power out of most of Royce's sub.

[BroncoSoja]

The record you posted for gracie is inaccurate.. He is 13-2-3

As somone mentioned above Royce was able to dominate during the early years of MMA where hardly anyone trained more then one art and hardly knew about BJJ and how to defend agianst it.. But this is a new age where everyone cross-trains if they want to be successfull...

MMA as a sport has grown leaps in bounds since the early days when Royce dominated in it and it had no weight classes. I just dont see how he can beat an all around champ like Hughes. Even though I hate Hughes since he is a ass clown and very disrespectfull to his fans (well the ones without boobs).. I just dont see him losing this fight.. Expecially if you have seen any of Royce Gracies recent fights in Japan.

[Boobs McGee]

I'm gonna have to go with gracie on this one. He might be old, but I think he'll be able to wear the big man down

[PatsWin2002]

Hughes is an animal. How old is Gracie?

[GonzoLays]

The record you posted for gracie is inaccurate.. He is 13-2-3



Well then you need to go to UFC.COM and tell them to change it.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.FightCard&eid=163

[DB-Freak]

The records you posted are UFC records.

Not their entire records.

[kamakazi_kal]

Almost as compelling as a guy hopped up on steriods going for home run records.

are you bitter that boxing is pretty much a DEAD sport?

[-Slap-]

I expect the first one to transition from the missionary position dickhead bump to the old fashioned schoolyard headlock will be declared the winner.

[Broncoman13]

I think Gracie will have his hands full, but saying that Hughes will power out of his subs is laughable. If Gracie locks one in NOBODY is powering out of it! The one thing that nobody has mentioned about Gracie, and this goes for all Gracies... they are as tough as they come. They will go until the end. I've seen Gracie's almost have their arms ripped off and not tap out. Refs will stop their fights before they give up and Royce is the king of that name.

As for UFC coming a long way... for sure. All MMA has come a long way, but Pride Fighting is still my favorite. I like some of the personalities in the UFC. Forrest and Rich Franklin are two of my favorites. I loathe the H.Beach Bum. I'll give him credit though, he is a phenomenal warrior on the mat and brings it every match. I like Tim Silvia as well. Anybody that can have their arm snapped and want to continue fighting is a bad ass in my book. When Franky snapped his twig I had to look away. That had to hurt and Silvia was sitting their pumping that same arm, saying "I'm Good, lets fight!" Besides all that it's fun to watch the guys that can really floor you with one punch. UFC pisses me off when the match up two Graplers on main events. Matt Hughes is well rounded so hopefully it will be an entertaining fight, but it has the potential to be 3 rounds of boring lying on the ground. Watch Pride Fighting a couple times and you'll be very impressed with the differences. 10 minute first round. 5 minute 2nd and 3rd. The refs will stand those boys up in a heartbeat if they're just lying on one and other. Simply put, Chuck Liddell was owned in Pride Fighting. BJ Penn was/is just another fighter in Pride Fighting. Big difference in the two, but Pride is world wide while UFC is domestic.

[Broncoman13]

I expect the first one to transition from the missionary position dickhead bump to the old fashioned schoolyard headlock will be declared the winner.


Dickhead bump... nice description, could have gone without the visual that's stuck in my head now though.

Watch Pride, it's quite a bit better. While "bumping their units" if they're not punching or punishing they get stood up and ordered to fight. With a 10 minute round those boys get tired and actually fight for survival, which leads to more knockouts. I wouldn't recommend it if all they did was lay on each other for 20 minutes per match. They fight!

[kamakazi_kal]

i would love to see a lidell / jackson rematch........... the one thing i will say for chuck is that he has avenged every loss ....... well all but that one

pride and UFC both have their goods and bads.... i personally will watch both regardless
i like how the UFC undercards are free on spike tv ......that is sweeeet

lets see
de la hoya vs. any boxer (not many good ones to choose from) for 50$
or
lidell vs. jackson for 50$
?????? no contest

[Orange_Beard]

are you bitter that boxing is pretty much a DEAD sport?

Dead? What is the prize money for this bout?

Not enough to get a top boxer in the ring.

[-Slap-]

Dickhead bump... nice description, could have gone without the visual that's stuck in my head now though.

Watch Pride, it's quite a bit better. While "bumping their units" if they're not punching or punishing they get stood up and ordered to fight. With a 10 minute round those boys get tired and actually fight for survival, which leads to more knockouts. I wouldn't recommend it if all they did was lay on each other for 20 minutes per match. They fight!
Getting people in headlocks is very gay. After you graduate kindergarten, if you resolved a schoolyard dustup with a headlock, pretty soon word got around that you were a fag.

[kamakazi_kal]

Dead? What is the prize money for this bout?

Not enough to get a top boxer in the ring.

MMA is still a baby in comparison to boxing over the last 3 years the bouts and prize money has been growing and growing but still it has only become mainstream over the last few years as opposed to boxing that has a long history......... i know pride fighters make more but not sure how much........ endorsments are just starting to take hold in this sport.

dont get me wrong i like boxing i just think it has become very watered down and the talent levels are alot lower then they maybe have ever been.

ohh and FYI any boxer that gets in an MMA ring fighting with MMA rules will be fricking owned.....
sorry its just reality

[kamakazi_kal]

Getting people in headlocks is very gay. After you graduate kindergarten, if you resolved a schoolyard dustup with a headlock, pretty soon word got around that you were a fag.

:rofl: the person recieving the headlock probly started that rumor after he woke up :thanku:

[scorpio]

Slap, you have a clear bias for boxing and against MMA. That's fine. But you constantly refer to MMA fighters as "schoolyard headlockers" and ******s, ignoring the obvious hard work it takes to master both submission and stand-up fighting (not to mention the cajones it takes to get in the ring without 16 oz. pillows strapped to your fist).

So do you have some boyhood issues that need resolving or what?

[flair]

boxing sucks. I am for Hughes and expect himt o destroy Gracie though I look forward to it as anything can happen

[-Slap-]

Slap, you have a clear bias for boxing and against MMA. That's fine. But you constantly refer to MMA fighters as "schoolyard headlockers" and ******s, ignoring the obvious hard work it takes to master both submission and stand-up fighting (not to mention the cajones it takes to get in the ring without 16 oz. pillows strapped to your fist).

So do you have some boyhood issues that need resolving or what?
That must be the case.

To clarify, I never called any of those guys gay. I said putting headlocks on people is gay. Putting a headlock on someone and then grabbing a fistful of your gi, which basically describes Hoyce's entire career, is Ultimate Gayness.

Not like guys who get all excited about UFC are ripe for satire, though.

http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/movies/pics/napoleondynamite1.jpg

[DB-Freak]

Submission wrestling is a beautiful sport.

And it's not so gay when it ensures you a win.

[kamakazi_kal]

http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/movies/pics/napoleondynamite1.jpg


"cmon let's see your best move"..........kip is money

[orange crusher]

I was a huge fan of boxing for a long time but my interest has dwindled over time. Don King and some of the other dirtbags are ruining the sport. I've just been getting interested in MMA about the last year and I think it has already leaped boxing for me. Thanks for helping to bring a good sport down King.

[BIM]

Getting people in headlocks is very gay. After you graduate kindergarten, if you resolved a schoolyard dustup with a headlock, pretty soon word got around that you were a fag.

You've obviously never been in one.

[Orange_Beard]

MMA is still a baby in comparison to boxing over the last 3 years the bouts and prize money has been growing and growing but still it has only become mainstream over the last few years as opposed to boxing that has a long history......... i know pride fighters make more but not sure how much........ endorsments are just starting to take hold in this sport.

dont get me wrong i like boxing i just think it has become very watered down and the talent levels are alot lower then they maybe have ever been.

ohh and FYI any boxer that gets in an MMA ring fighting with MMA rules will be fricking owned.....
sorry its just reality
I agree, same the other way.

[CBF1]

I have been attending UFC fights for the past 3 years in Vegas and just last month in Anahiem and let me tell you it is electricity filled in the arena. MMA fighters are far better athletes and fighters than one dementional boxers. You have to think about a couple things in this bout. Gracie is fighting 15 lbs heavier than Hughes. In common opponents Gracie submitted a younger and much larger Ken Shamrock in less than a minute (UFC1) I think it was. Gracie has fought much bigger fighters than himself or anyone that Matt hughes has fought. I talked to Matt last month for a minute and yes he is in great shape, But the old comments are BS when it comes to this type of fighting....see Randy Coture (sp) Both fighters are submission specialists, but I just remember Gracie during his run in the UFC fighting guys in the mid 200's and kicking everyone of their butts. He even submitted a much larger and stronger Kimo. I do not know how Royce will lose this fight unless Matt gets a clean shot on Gracie's chin then gets him on the ground and submits him before the cobwebs clear out.

I say Gracie by submission middle of round 2. Hopefully my best buds son will not go with him and I am next in line to join him.

[CBF1]

I forgot my take on Slap's headlock comments.... They are not headlocks they are using, It is called a bare naked choke, which the person in the submission hold can get no air and will either tap out or will be put to sleep.... Not gay anyway you look at it.

[mosca]

I'd love to see the legend of Gracie win it, but he's just over the hill. Hughes is at the top of his game and is gonna bulldoze Gracie. He'll either ground 'n pound Gracie or submit him. Too strong, too fast, and has been fighting more recently.

[kappys]

In the Old UFC there were no weight classes of course. I do think that Royce can win this one, but Hughes is also not the best fighter out there right now. I don't know that I've seen anyone in Pride or UFC who is as good as Andre Orlovsky.

As for Royce's toughness, go back and watch his early fight against Kimo, where Kimo breaks Royce's arm but Gracie still pulls out a victory.

[-Slap-]

I forgot my take on Slap's headlock comments.... They are not headlocks they are using, It is called a bare naked choke, which the person in the submission hold can get no air and will either tap out or will be put to sleep.... Not gay anyway you look at it.
You're right, the very name bare naked choke doesn't smack of gayness.

Is hairpulling and scratching legal, too?

[Orange_Beard]

I forgot my take on Slap's headlock comments.... They are not headlocks they are using, It is called a bare naked choke, which the person in the submission hold can get no air and will either tap out or will be put to sleep.... Not gay anyway you look at it.


You said "Bare naked choke."

[55CrushEm]

Am I correct in assuming that this fight will NOT be for the title? Obviously, the welterweight division tops out at 170 lbs......so if Gracie stays at 180.....no title.

Plus, haven't they already said that Hughes's next fight (after this one) will be with St. Pierre to try to retain his title.....

[scorpio]

Am I correct in assuming that this fight will NOT be for the title? Obviously, the welterweight division tops out at 170 lbs......so if Gracie stays at 180.....no title.

Plus, haven't they already said that Hughes's next fight (after this one) will be with St. Pierre to try to retain his title.....


Correct, this is a non-title match

[CBF1]

You're right, the very name bare naked choke doesn't smack of gayness.

Is hairpulling and scratching legal, too?

I believe that they will also be able hit each other with their purses. Other accessories optional :)

[backup qb]

Gracie.

[DB-Freak]

You're right, the very name bare naked choke doesn't smack of gayness.

Is hairpulling and scratching legal, too?
Nope.

[Elway 4 Life]

One thing to consider, when Gracie was dominating the sport it was still growing and very few of the fighters could afford to train like they do now. Almost all of them had other jobs. The sport has evolved since then and the fighters are alot more well rounded. I think Matt has everything to lose in this fight and little to gain. Gracie could easily catch Matt in a submission but if Matt can keep it standing I think Matt knocks him out. Either way this is a publicity stunt in my eyes more than it is anything else.

I think it was Oskie who who posted earlier about BJ Penn and Chuck in Pride. BJ is one of the best fighters in any MMA venue. Chuck got his ass kicked by Rampage but I think it would be a different story if they fought again. I think if Penn gets another shot at Hughes he beats him. They dont call BJ the prodigy for nothing. There isnt anyone in Pride at 170 the can beat Penn. Chuck on the other hand would have his hands full but not by rampage.

[KipCorrington25]

Pride pays bigger purses so logic would dictate they would have a little better talent. But having said that, if Pride is pushing The New York Douche Bag Phil Barone as something special that hurts their credibility in my book, he was run out of the UFC with his tail between his legs.

[Elway 4 Life]

There is no doubt that pride has some bad ass fighters. I think as far as welterweights go the UFC has the three best in Hughes, Penn, and St. Pierre.

I never knew how much the purses were or are. Is there a link or something. Just kind of curious how much these guys are getting paid for fighting. I know that alot of the UFC fighters are getting all sorts of indorsement deals thrown at them.

[scorpio]

There is no doubt that pride has some bad ass fighters. I think as far as welterweights go the UFC has the three best in Hughes, Penn, and St. Pierre.

I never knew how much the purses were or are. Is there a link or something. Just kind of curious how much these guys are getting paid for fighting. I know that alot of the UFC fighters are getting all sorts of indorsement deals thrown at them.

There used to be a big disparity between PRIDE and UFC payouts, but apparently the gap is getting narrower. I think Ortiz said he made $200k for fighting Griffin.


Edit: Here are the full payouts for UFC 59

Fighter Payouts

Andrei Arlovski - $90,000

Tim Sylvia - $45,000


Nick Diaz - $10,000

Sean Sherk - $8,000


Tito Ortiz - $200,000

Forrest Griffin - $16,000


Evan Tanner - $20,000

Justin Levens - $5,000


Marcio Cruz - $5,000

Jeff Monson - $5,000


Karo Parisyan - $8,000

Nick Thompson - $5,000


Scott Smith - $3,000

David Terrell - $6,000


Terry Martin - $2,000

Jason Lambert - $4,000


Thiago Alves - $4,000

Derrick Noble - $3,000

Total Fighter Payout (strictly show purses): $439,000

[Elway 4 Life]

There used to be a big disparity between PRIDE and UFC payouts, but apparently the gap is getting narrower. I think Ortiz said he made $200k for fighting Griffin.


Edit: Here are the full payouts for UFC 59

Fighter Payouts

Andrei Arlovski - $90,000

Tim Sylvia - $45,000


Nick Diaz - $10,000

Sean Sherk - $8,000


Tito Ortiz - $200,000

Forrest Griffin - $16,000


Evan Tanner - $20,000

Justin Levens - $5,000


Marcio Cruz - $5,000

Jeff Monson - $5,000


Karo Parisyan - $8,000

Nick Thompson - $5,000


Scott Smith - $3,000

David Terrell - $6,000


Terry Martin - $2,000

Jason Lambert - $4,000


Thiago Alves - $4,000

Derrick Noble - $3,000

Total Fighter Payout (strictly show purses): $439,000
Is that right??? Wow! I thought they made much more than that. Is there a link somewhere?

[kamakazi_kal]

[QUOTE=kappys] I don't know that I've seen anyone in Pride or UFC who is as good as Andre Orlofski[QUOTE]

mirko crocop....... he is the white orlofski and a more devastating striker to boot

[kamakazi_kal]

Is that right??? Wow! I thought they made much more than that. Is there a link somewhere?

you give this sport 5 more years you will see million dollar purses, it all depends on the pay per view take keep in mind before last year they were not even selling out these events well UFC at least i know pride sells out 60,000 seat stadiums all the time....... like i said before this sport is still in its infant stage....... i wish i could buy stock in it

[Elway 4 Life]

you give this sport 5 more years you will see million dollar purses, it all depends on the pay per view take keep in mind before last year they were not even selling out these events well UFC at least i know pride sells out 60,000 seat stadiums all the time....... like i said before this sport is still in its infant stage....... i wish i could buy stock in it

I know the PPV for UFC used to be $34.95 and now UFC 60 is $44.95. I think both organizations have there gems and both have some knuckleheads. Arvloski is an animal that hits wicked hard but has a weak chin. If he gets hit it's over. I think he is a very good heavyweight but he has a very big weakness.

[scorpio]

Is that right??? Wow! I thought they made much more than that. Is there a link somewhere?

Here's where I got the info from:

http://www.mmanews.com/article/149202276.php

It looks like they double your purse if you win, and some major fighters even get a % of the gate. Also I wouldn't be surprised if there are extra bonuses for not letting fights go to decision.

[Elway 4 Life]

Here's where I got the info from:

http://www.mmanews.com/article/149202276.php

It looks like they double your purse if you win, and some major fighters even get a % of the gate. Also I wouldn't be surprised if there are extra bonuses for not letting fights go to decision.
Your probably right, much like the show.

I guess if you can get ya some sponsors and some endorsement deals it would make up for it.

[orange crusher]

There used to be a big disparity between PRIDE and UFC payouts, but apparently the gap is getting narrower. I think Ortiz said he made $200k for fighting Griffin.


Edit: Here are the full payouts for UFC 59

Fighter Payouts

Andrei Arlovski - $90,000

Tim Sylvia - $45,000


Nick Diaz - $10,000

Sean Sherk - $8,000


Tito Ortiz - $200,000

Forrest Griffin - $16,000


Evan Tanner - $20,000

Justin Levens - $5,000


Marcio Cruz - $5,000

Jeff Monson - $5,000


Karo Parisyan - $8,000

Nick Thompson - $5,000


Scott Smith - $3,000

David Terrell - $6,000


Terry Martin - $2,000

Jason Lambert - $4,000


Thiago Alves - $4,000

Derrick Noble - $3,000

Total Fighter Payout (strictly show purses): $439,000

Wow, Forest Griffin got screwed there. IMO, it was a pretty even fight that could have gone either way. Ortiz dominated the first round, but I thought Griffin won both the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

[kamakazi_kal]

i think boxing could be saved if they made it a "winner take all" purse as a matter of fact they should make MMA like that also.....:thumbs:

[kamakazi_kal]

Wow, Forest Griffin got screwed there. IMO, it was a pretty even fight that could have gone either way. Ortiz dominated the first round, but I thought Griffin won both the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

i thought round 3 was a toss up griffin got some good shots but tito had a couple good takedowns ........ they should have gone another round IMO
tito was running out of gas

[scorpio]

i thought round 3 was a toss up griffin got some good shots but tito had a couple good takedowns ........ they should have gone another round IMO
tito was running out of gas

Yeah, I think it was that last takedown that sealed the deal for Ortiz.

I believe Dana White said the next day that in his eyes Forrest actually won and those guys should never judge another fight as long as they live.

EDIT: Didn't Eddie Bravo also score it 30-27 Griffin?

[kamakazi_kal]

i think tito won if you look at the points breakdown

10 - 8 tito ... he owned forrest in the first round, standing and on the ground
10 - 9 forrest ... started to take the fight to tito and avoided the takedown
10 - 10 tie ..... forrest started really strong but like you said tito got a good takedown and got some pounding in to even the round so....

29 - 28 tito.... i guess, but tito was just about done and forrest was pressing the action 1 more round and tito would have taken it

IMO dana white is the new don king he wanted forrest to win more because he has alot invested in him (ult fighter 2 show) and a 4 fight contract.
you know dana wants to see forrest vs. chuck but now forrest took a step back in contention, so.... now forrest will need to fight a least 1 more good fight then if tito wins vs. shamrock (who he should beat easily) it will be a rematch for the #1 contender spot

ohh and their is no way that fight was 30-27 forrest ...wayyyy to lopsided

[SleepingTiger]

One thing to consider, when Gracie was dominating the sport it was still growing and very few of the fighters could afford to train like they do now. Almost all of them had other jobs. The sport has evolved since then and the fighters are alot more well rounded. I think Matt has everything to lose in this fight and little to gain. Gracie could easily catch Matt in a submission but if Matt can keep it standing I think Matt knocks him out. Either way this is a publicity stunt in my eyes more than it is anything else.

I think it was Oskie who who posted earlier about BJ Penn and Chuck in Pride. BJ is one of the best fighters in any MMA venue. Chuck got his ass kicked by Rampage but I think it would be a different story if they fought again. I think if Penn gets another shot at Hughes he beats him. They dont call BJ the prodigy for nothing. There isnt anyone in Pride at 170 the can beat Penn. Chuck on the other hand would have his hands full but not by rampage.

St. Pierre beat BJ Penn at the last UFC by split decision?

[scorpio]

St. Pierre beat BJ Penn at the last UFC by split decision?

The one before the last one, UFC 58, yeah. Georges is going to be an absolute animal one day soon.

[Elway 4 Life]

St. Pierre beat BJ Penn at the last UFC by split decision?
You are correct sir but did you watch the fight? Penn owned St. Pierre in the first round. I've never seen anyone yet that has come close to dominating st. pierre until that fight. He had no answer in that first round. The rest of the fight was kind of ho hum. St. Pierre was very lucky to come away with that decision.

[SleepingTiger]

[QUOTE=kappys] I don't know that I've seen anyone in Pride or UFC who is as good as Andre Orlofski[QUOTE]

mirko crocop....... he is the white orlofski and a more devastating striker to boot

isnt andre white?
mirko crocop, wanderlei silva "axe muderer", sakuraba, and chuck iceman are prolly the best fighters in MMA right now.
sakuraba is by far my favorite, just because he beat the crap out of all the gracie brothers!

[SleepingTiger]

You are correct sir but did you watch the fight? Penn owned St. Pierre in the first round. I've never seen anyone yet that has come close to dominating st. pierre until that fight. He had no answer in that first round. The rest of the fight was kind of ho hum. St. Pierre was very lucky to come away with that decision.

actually i did watch it and it wasnt quite what i expected. I was hoping BJ dominated st. pierre. could of gone either way imo.
how come BJ left ufc? did he go to another venue? did he have any success like he did in ufc?

[kamakazi_kal]

oops sorry yes he is white

[Elway 4 Life]

actually i did watch it and it wasnt quite what i expected. I was hoping BJ dominated st. pierre. could of gone either way imo.
how come BJ left ufc? did he go to another venue? did he have any success like he did in ufc?
I think he is back now for a couple fights. He left because of Dana.....dont really know the whole story. I've seen him fight in pride I think and in K-1 before this fight. He fought one of the gracie's and beat his ass pretty bad. I think when focused he is one of the best fighters in the world if not the best.

[Jason in LA]

I will tell you one thing, this matchup is twice as compelling as anything boxing has brought us in the past five years.

If it was, these two guys would be making millions for this fight.

[Elway 4 Life]

If it was, these two guys would be making millions for this fight.
They will be shortly. Boxing is a dying sport. The money may be there but that doesnt nesessarily make it more entertaining.

[Jason in LA]

Boxing isn't what it used to be, but it isn't dying. The heavy weights suck, but all the other division are doing well. The mega fights still bring in a boat load of money. And there are some pretty good fights coming up. Sucks that none of them are from the heavy weight division.

[DB-Freak]

The MMA is a very very young sport, but it's here to stay.

[kamakazi_kal]

Boxing isn't what it used to be, but it isn't dying. The heavy weights suck, but all the other division are doing well. The mega fights still bring in a boat load of money. And there are some pretty good fights coming up. Sucks that none of them are from the heavy weight division.

good fights?? name a few......

[shaun514]

good fights?? name a few......

Tarver vs. Hopkins is at least this interesting.

[Orange_Beard]

good fights?? name a few......

This was pretty good fight:
Hatton vs Collazo
Morales vs. Pacqulao, 1, 2
Morales vs. Barrera 1,2,3
Castillo vs. Corrales 1

How many more do you want?

[Elway 4 Life]

Ultimate fighter last night was good.........but Tait got jobbed. There should have been a 3rd round.

[jet19]

Here's where I got the info from:

http://www.mmanews.com/article/149202276.php

It looks like they double your purse if you win, and some major fighters even get a % of the gate. Also I wouldn't be surprised if there are extra bonuses for not letting fights go to decision.

a bit of info on what type of money some of theses fighters make
from an interview with matt hughes:
JF: What are you guys making for this fight?
MH: Royce is making $1.3 million. I'm getting nowhere close to that.


Just thought i bump this back to page one for fight night!! I look for gracie to win. I am a bit bummed to find out it's a three round non title fight though!
seems like a fight this big they would put the belt up, it may have something to do with Gracies K1 contract. The UFC contract is only for this one fight and it had to be worked out with K1

[scorpio]

I'm going to go catch a movie then jet down to Hooters to watch it. Can't wait.

[-Slap-]

Is this thing happening tonight?

[mosca]

Is this thing happening tonight?
yup. gonna watch it, slap? suddenly interested in MMA?

[-Slap-]

yup. gonna watch it, slap? suddenly interested in MMA?
I would check it out if I had a pirate box. Its PPV, right?

I'm rooting for Hughes.

Question: How come some sources refer to Hoyce as unbeaten, yet his record shows draws and losses?

[DB-Freak]

I would check it out if I had a pirate box. Its PPV, right?

I'm rooting for Hughes.

Question: How come some sources refer to Hoyce as unbeaten, yet his record shows draws and losses?
It's his UFC record.

Although he did lose in UFC once due to exhaustion.

[mosca]

I would check it out if I had a pirate box. Its PPV, right?

I'm rooting for Hughes.

Question: How come some sources refer to Hoyce as unbeaten, yet his record shows draws and losses?
yeah. PPV. i'll be watching it at my buddy's crib on his monster HD set. got a few people throwing in on the cost.

in addition to what db-freak said, i think that UFC is also touting gracie as undefeated just to hype up the match and get people to think that gracie might have a fighting chance against the younger hughes.

[scorpio]

yeah. PPV. i'll be watching it at my buddy's crib on his monster HD set. got a few people throwing in on the cost.

in addition to what db-freak said, i think that UFC is also touting gracie as undefeated just to hype up the match and get people to think that gracie might have a fighting chance against the younger hughes.

^^^ This is correct. I think he fought Shamrock to a 30 minute draw once, (although Royce definitely got the worst of it) but he has lost in other federations.

[Broncoman13]

You guys are a bunch of *****! I wasn't going to watch it tonight, then hearing all of you guys talk about it again (thanks for bumping it!) made me want to see it. So here I am, too late to invite people over, watching it by myself. Better be some better fights than 59!

[Broncoman13]

Royce is kind of a prick. He'll try to seriously injure his opponent if he locks a sub on. He'll seriously try to break someone's arm in two. I'll be going for Matt Hughes, but I think Royce stands a very good chance at beating him. I hope to see Matt bounce on him and pummel is freaking face! Classless prick.

[hades]

You guys are a bunch of *****! I wasn't going to watch it tonight, then hearing all of you guys talk about it again (thanks for bumping it!) made me want to see it. So here I am, too late to invite people over, watching it by myself. Better be some better fights than 59!

Man that Diego fight was BORING! John or whatever his name was had some damn strong legs tho, holding him up like that for over 2 minutes!

[hades]

I swear UFC 61 is going to happen in my living room tonight. My stupid neices (2 and one with her kid) came down tonight and they will not shut the hell up. Then her kid picks up the dogs water bowl and chunks it. Luckily it hit the carpet and didn't break, but the kid is getting on my last fricken nerve. The Mom does not discipline that kid at all, spoiled little only child.....

Geez, 3 women and 1 little girl, and me here, then tomorrow my other neice (their sister) is driving here from Florida with her kid, so I'll have a damn house full of women and 2 kids! What did I do to deserve this?

[hades]

Say goodnight Gracie!

[Rocket 7]

Say goodnight Gracie!
Did they fight already?

[scorpio]

Jeez, I hoped it would be a little better than that.

At least I got thoroughly ****faced.

[DB-Freak]

Seriously, I think Matt will win but he's going to have to lay and pray the whole time to avoid being subbed by Royce
Well he proved us wrong.

[Rocket 7]

Well he proved us wrong.
Recap por favor

[hades]

Did they fight already?

If you could call it a fight. Thought for a minute there Gracie would tap out, his arm looked pretty bent. Boy was he pissed off looking at the end!


Edit: Recap - fight was around 3 minutes, did a little boxing, went to the ground and Matt tried an arm bar, but gracie would not tap out, and it looked painful! Gracie rolled onto his stomach and Matt was pounding the living daylights outa him! Ref called the fight, Gracie was unable to defend himself and Matt coulda killed him if he wanted.

I wasn't even really watching, I was working on the computer and just sorta looking up, next thing I know it's over!

[hades]

Holy sh1t, that knee to the head hurt! Spencer kicked some azz!

[scorpio]

Glad to see Dean Lister do well. That guy is a submission machine.

[Rocket 7]

If you could call it a fight. Thought for a minute there Gracie would tap out, his arm looked pretty bent. Boy was he pissed off looking at the end!


Edit: Recap - fight was around 3 minutes, did a little boxing, went to the ground and Matt tried an arm bar, but gracie would not tap out, and it looked painful! Gracie rolled onto his stomach and Matt was pounding the living daylights outa him! Ref called the fight, Gracie was unable to defend himself and Matt coulda killed him if he wanted.

I wasn't even really watching, I was working on the computer and just sorta looking up, next thing I know it's over!
Royce rolled to his stomach? I thought he spent half his life on his back. Hats off to Matt. Legend killer

[jet19]

I would check it out if I had a pirate box. Its PPV, right?

I'm rooting for Hughes.

Question: How come some sources refer to Hoyce as unbeaten, yet his record shows draws and losses?


untill tonight royce gracie had never been beat in the ring, as far as i know he had the draw and the 1 loss you see was when he beat kimo in ufc 3 but could not fight the next fight in the tournament due to injury.

[jet19]

WOW

what an ass whoopin hughes put on. I have never seen gracie whooped like that even in his more recent fights against younger K1 fighters.
Hughes is one bad mo-fo! I realy thought gracie would have been able to atleast hold his own on the ground, i will give him this though...... 9 out of 10 fighters would have tapped out to that arm bar hughes had locked in! gracie is still a ledgend and one tough SOB but huges took the torch!

[SouthStndJunkie]

I went over to a buds and watched it. I was hoping Gracie would win, but Hughes is the better fighter. Overall the fight was a letdown for me. No biggie.....4 guys divided by $40 equals $10 a piece.

[CUBuffman08]

WOW

what an ass whoopin hughes put on. I have never seen gracie whooped like that even in his more recent fights against younger K1 fighters.
Hughes is one bad mo-fo! I realy thought gracie would have been able to atleast hold his own on the ground, i will give him this though...... 9 out of 10 fighters would have tapped out to that arm bar hughes had locked in! gracie is still a ledgend and one tough SOB but huges took the torch!

If you saw the look on Gracie's face during the arm bar you KNEW he wouldn't tap... He was way to proud to tap after all the build up. He was ready to have his arm broken before he would quit.

The Diego fight was also very entertaining. Diego didn't touch the mat the last half of the 3rd round, and it was still a great fight. I thought Alessio was going to get an arm bar working on the side of his head to win the fight for a while.

This is the first UFC I've seen the night of, and I wasn't disappointed... Count me in July 6th for UFC 61 at Hooters again.

[CUBuffman08]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWl714Sssfc

Gracie vs Hughes

[-Slap-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWl714Sssfc

Gracie vs Hughes
It still doesn't interest me, but it was nice to see the overrated poor sport Hype Gracie get his ass beaten.

[DB-Freak]

For the more striking preferring souls.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8831714570868814239&q=Cro+cop

[-Slap-]

For the more striking preferring souls.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8831714570868814239&q=Cro+cop
I do prefer this to the headlockathons. Its still kind of strange seeing a guy kick his opponent while he's down, though.

Is this Cro Cop the number one guy in that sport?

That big black guy with The Beast written across the back of his trunks looked like something out of a video game.

[DB-Freak]

I do prefer this to the headlockathons. Its still kind of strange seeing a guy kick his opponent while he's down, though.

Is this Cro Cop the number one guy in that sport?

That big black guy with The Beast written across the back of his trunks looked like something out of a video game.
The guy with the beast logo is Bob Sapp.Bob Sapp is known as "The Beast." Contrary to popular belief, Bob Sapp is not related to Oakland Raiders defensive tackle Warren Sapp. Sapp began his athletic career in college football as a standout offensive lineman for the University of Washington, where he won the Morris Award. Expected by some to get high notice from pro scouts in the 1997 NFL draft, he slipped to the third round before being chosen by the Chicago Bears at 69th overall. Although Sapp was under pro contract for the next four seasons (with four different teams, each of which cut him within that season), he appeared in only one regular season game before failing a mandatory NFL steroids test and washing out of the league.

No the number one guy is a russian guy. Cro Cop is probably the third in the sport behind the russian and a brazilian guy.

The Brazilian(He beat Crocop by submission. The clip where Cro cops gets subbed is blurred by special effects so you'll have to look close) is number 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8514646796961260432&q=Nogueira

The number 1 HW is this guy. The Russian. He beat both the brazilian and Cro cop. (Not really a great HL since it doesnt have all his fights in it).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3398283118407687720&q=Fedor

[-Slap-]

I remember Bob Sapp. What a frigging monster. That looked like Little Mac knocking out Bald Bull.

Thanks for the links and the education.

[DB-Freak]

No problem Big Nog(the Brazilian) and Crocop have beaten Bob Sapp although Bob was literally destroying Nog until he got tired from beating him up. Then Nog just submitted him. Nog was viewed as unbeatable after beating up a guy who had 100+ pounds on him until Fedor(the Russian) came along and gave him a beating twice.

To be honest though, the competitions gets better as the weight class goes down since the smaller athletes tend to look for a sport with weight classes.

By the way, that punch Crocop gave to Sapp broke Sapp's orbital bone and that's why Sapp looked like he wanted to cry.

[scorpio]

Furious Angels (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5804275960634938624&q=furious+angels)

[mosca]

Nice videos, guys. Loved the cliffhanger at the end of Furious Angels... was that Randleman getting CroCop with the slam?

As for last nite's UFC fight, it went more or less like I predicted it to a buddy weeks ago. When asked how I thought Hughes would win, I told him "He'll just pound 'em." Granted, there was a little more than that. I liked how Hughes used his wrestling and ground skills to control Gracie on the ground before ending it. Hats off to Gracie for sticking in there so long, too.

So what UFC legend is next to face off against a current day top dog? First we had Shamrock get pounded by Tito, now Gracie and Hughes.

[scorpio]

[QUOTE=mosca]Nice videos, guys. Loved the cliffhanger at the end of Furious Angels... was that Randleman getting CroCop with the slam?[QUOTE]

It was Fedor, and the crazy thing is Randleman lost that fight.

[Orange_Beard]

This stuff has too much of a pro wrestling edge for me.

I will try to check out this fight, but the ads look like Vince Mcmahon has a hand in these, leagues or federations, or what ever they are called.

[DB-Freak]

Nice videos, guys. Loved the cliffhanger at the end of Furious Angels... was that Randleman getting CroCop with the slam?

As for last nite's UFC fight, it went more or less like I predicted it to a buddy weeks ago. When asked how I thought Hughes would win, I told him "He'll just pound 'em." Granted, there was a little more than that. I liked how Hughes used his wrestling and ground skills to control Gracie on the ground before ending it. Hats off to Gracie for sticking in there so long, too.

So what UFC legend is next to face off against a current day top dog? First we had Shamrock get pounded by Tito, now Gracie and Hughes.
Shamrock by Tito again I think.

[ozomulsion]

Wanderlei Silva is by far my favorite to watch. He is so ruthless it just puts a smile on my face. I probably wouldn't follow Pride at all if it weren't for him. I have to see all his fights.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zl3fgqUREH4&search=Wanderlei%20Silva

[DB-Freak]

I like his aggressive style, but to me he is a question mark. He is a rope grabber and is protected pretty well.

I want to see him fight better competition in his weight class more.

[ozomulsion]

I like his aggressive style, but to me he is a question mark. He is a rope grabber and is protected pretty well.

I want to see him fight better competition in his weight class more.

Like who? He's been the champion in his weight class for some time. I don't know how Ricardo Arona beat him but he evenged that loss in his last fight. Quinton Jackson won't fight him again after getting destroyed in Pride 28 and Sacuraba can't beat him. I would like to see a rematch with Cro-Cop as they fought to a draw but Mirco out weighs him by 15-20 pounds. Silva has almost perfected his art (chute boxe) IMO. I never really thought of him as a rope grabber.

[DB-Freak]

Like who? He's been the champion in his weight class for some time. I don't know how Ricardo Arona beat him but he evenged that loss in his last fight. Quinton Jackson won't fight him again after getting destroyed in Pride 28 and Sacuraba can't beat him. I would like to see a rematch with Cro-Cop as they fought to a draw but Mirco out weighs him by 15-20 pounds. Silva has almost perfected his art (chute boxe) IMO. I never really thought of him as a rope grabber.
I've seen practically every Silva fights in Pride.

Silva is probably the head figure of rope grabbing. You even see it in that HL of that you posted against Dan Henderson. He even headbutted Guy Mezger during his fight.

Saku, Dan and Kondo are welterweights(by pride standards) at best. He faught smaller japanese fighters who didn't even deserve to be in the ring with him.

He faught Hunt and Crocop when they were absolute noobs in MMA. And he got a draw and a loss from that.

By the way, Silva is pretty big. During his fight with Crocop he was 217 while Crocop was 220. He cuts a good amount of weight to get 205.

He lost to Arona where he was on his back most of the time avoiding to get pounded first time and barely won a split decision the second time around.

He's been the Champ for about 4-5 years now. He's lucky that Shogun is his teammate.

Fighters that will give him a run for his money: Overeem, Igor, Lil Nog, SHogun, Arona, Randlemen. Hell any good wrestler will do. Silva always had trouble against good wrestlers.

[Elway 4 Life]

The guy with the beast logo is Bob Sapp.Bob Sapp is known as "The Beast." Contrary to popular belief, Bob Sapp is not related to Oakland Raiders defensive tackle Warren Sapp. Sapp began his athletic career in college football as a standout offensive lineman for the University of Washington, where he won the Morris Award. Expected by some to get high notice from pro scouts in the 1997 NFL draft, he slipped to the third round before being chosen by the Chicago Bears at 69th overall. Although Sapp was under pro contract for the next four seasons (with four different teams, each of which cut him within that season), he appeared in only one regular season game before failing a mandatory NFL steroids test and washing out of the league.


You got most of your info correct. Bob grew up in Colorado Springs. I went to high school with him. He never failed a drug test and swears to this day that he never took the juice. He quit playing football because he tore his achilles. He was drafted in the 6th round by the bears not the 3rd.

[DB-Freak]

You got most of your info correct. Bob grew up in Colorado Springs. I went to high school with him. He never failed a drug test and swears to this day that he never took the juice. He quit playing football because he tore his achilles. He was drafted in the 6th round by the bears not the 3rd.
Actually I just copied that from a bio. I don't know anything about his personal life expect for some of the hilarious japanese commercials he is on.

[Elway 4 Life]

Actually I just copied that from a bio. I don't know anything about his personal life expect for some of the hilarious japanese commercials he is on.
He is huge in Japan and they love him to death. He is an absolute goofball unless you piss him off.

[DB-Freak]

He is huge in Japan and they love him to death. He is an absolute goofball unless you piss him off.
Andy Hug popular?

[davidtkd]

For the more striking preferring souls.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8831714570868814239&q=Cro+cop

I'm with slap on this one. I much prefer this as well.

holy crap, that guy has one hell of a round house kick.

[scorpio]

I'm with slap on this one. I much prefer this as well.

holy crap, that guy has one hell of a round house kick.

Mike Nickels vs. Matt Hammil on Thursday! !Booya!

I can't wait for this fight. I see Mike getting an easy submission, but he did say in that article that it's the bloodiest fight of the season.

[Elway 4 Life]

Andy Hug popular?
I do not know this Andy Hug feller.

[DB-Freak]

I'm with slap on this one. I much prefer this as well.

holy crap, that guy has one hell of a round house kick.
I think they had a contest among the K-1 guys on how much force they could produce on their kicks and Crocop was on the top I think.

Although I think Peter Aerts is a much better kicker than Crocop.

[DB-Freak]

I do not know this Andy Hug feller.
He was adopted by the Japanese as one of their own.

[Elway 4 Life]

He was adopted by the Japanese as one of their own.
I just know they love him over there. They throw tons of money at him to appear here and there. Thus all the dumb commercials and game shows.

[Elway 4 Life]

Did anyone else think that Diego should have lost that fight? I thought it was close but I did'nt think Diego did enough to win.

[scorpio]

I just know they love him over there. They throw tons of money at him to appear here and there. Thus all the dumb commercials and game shows.


The japanese girls Bob gets to cavort around with on those gameshows are soooo hot.

[davidtkd]

Mike Nickels vs. Matt Hammil on Thursday! !Booya!

I can't wait for this fight. I see Mike getting an easy submission, but he did say in that article that it's the bloodiest fight of the season.

Thursday! WOOT! BRING IN ON HOME MIKE! Do Denver proud! He better kick Matt's ass.

[davidtkd]

I think they had a contest among the K-1 guys on how much force they could produce on their kicks and Crocop was on the top I think.

Although I think Peter Aerts is a much better kicker than Crocop.


That would be impressive. I mean, Crocop is a one kick pony, but what a kick. He is a nice puncher as well.

Do you have any quick links to Aerts? Never heard of him. Then again, with 2 kids and a wife that HATES this sport, I am not surpised I am not up on the fighters.

[DB-Freak]

That would be impressive. I mean, Crocop is a one kick pony, but what a kick. He is a nice puncher as well.

Do you have any quick links to Aerts? Never heard of him. Then again, with 2 kids and a wife that HATES this sport, I am not surpised I am not up on the fighters.
This is K-1.
The Dutch Lumberjack.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-738355609163323905&q=Peter+Aerts

By the way, you can make the screen smaller for better quality.

I found a better one in my opinion.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4210445114512400068&q=Peter+Aerts

[CUBuffman08]

Did anyone else think that Diego should have lost that fight? I thought it was close but I did'nt think Diego did enough to win.
Yeah I thought he lost the fight... He won the last round with that barrage in the final few seconds, but I thought he clearly lost the first two rounds. I think its rediculous that one of the judges had it scored 30-27

[SouthStndJunkie]

Did anyone else think that Diego should have lost that fight? I thought it was close but I did'nt think Diego did enough to win.

I agree.....I was surprised at the decision.

[Elway 4 Life]

Yeah I thought he lost the fight... He won the last round with that barrage in the final few seconds, but I thought he clearly lost the first two rounds. I think its rediculous that one of the judges had it scored 30-27
Seems to me they are trying to push him up for a big fight against St. Pierre/Hughes/Penn or someone elite. He lost that fight in my eyes and apparently everyone elses at the Staple Center from the sound of there boos.

[MadCity]

I decided to contribute a bit to this thread so here's a different highlight video of the best hw in the world today, Fedor Emelianenko. Enjoy.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=36P4RWU2

As an added bonus, here's a highlight clip of one of the best lightweight mma fighters out there, Norifumi "KID" Yamamoto.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4V2FYYIZ

(http://www.orangemane.com/BB/)

[scorpio]

I decided to contribute a bit to this thread so here's a different highlight video of the best hw in the world today, Fedor Emelianenko. Enjoy.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=36P4RWU2

As an added bonus, here's a highlight clip of one of the best lightweight mma fighters out there, Norifumi "KID" Yamamoto.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4V2FYYIZ

(http://www.orangemane.com/BB/)

Thanks for that (edit: but your second link doesn't work unless you cut and paste the text.) Kid Yamamoto is awesome . I wish UFC had a good LW division like Pride and K1.

[DB-Freak]

Thanks for that (edit: but your second link doesn't work unless you cut and paste the text.) Kid Yamamoto is awesome . I wish UFC had a good LW division like Pride and K1.
It will soon.

[scorpio]

It will soon.

No doubt, UFC 60 went a long way toward establishing some good LW fighters, and with BJ Penn coming down to 155 it should be sick. I wonder how they're going to figure who gets the vacated belt...a Bushido/Grand Prix-style tournament would be awesome (but they'll probably just pick two dudes and name them top contenders).

[DB-Freak]

No doubt, UFC 60 went a long way toward establishing some good LW fighters, and with BJ Penn coming down to 155 it should be sick. I wonder how they're going to figure who gets the vacated belt...a Bushido/Grand Prix-style tournament would be awesome (but they'll probably just pick two dudes and name them top contenders).
Penn has no real intention of coming back to LW. He said while ago that he doesn't think he can make the weight anymore since he bulked up so much. He wants to get the WW belt then go for the MW belt.

[mosca]

Yeah I thought he lost the fight... He won the last round with that barrage in the final few seconds, but I thought he clearly lost the first two rounds. I think its rediculous that one of the judges had it scored 30-27
yup. the only thing diego did was be the aggressor the entire fight, but my argument is that nothing he did even came close to hurting alessio, even in a minor way. he never even came close to taking alessio down. i'da given alessio points simply for avoiding the takedowns. and granted, a lot of alessio's hits were jabs or glancing blows, but at least he opened a cut on diego.

no way in HELL that diego won all three rounds like that judge says. you gotta think tho, diego is UFC's new golden boy with the undefeated record and got crowned the ultimate fighter... they're prepping him for a title fight and there was no way in hell the judges were gonna give this alessio guy the decision, a first loss for diego, no matter how much he earned it. see this kinda crap in boxing all the time.

[Elway 4 Life]

yup. the only thing diego did was be the aggressor the entire fight, but my argument is that nothing he did even came close to hurting alessio, even in a minor way. he never even came close to taking alessio down. i'da given alessio points simply for avoiding the takedowns. and granted, a lot of alessio's hits were jabs or glancing blows, but at least he opened a cut on diego.

no way in HELL that diego won all three rounds like that judge says. you gotta think tho, diego is UFC's new golden boy with the undefeated record and got crowned the ultimate fighter... they're prepping him for a title fight and there was no way in hell the judges were gonna give this alessio guy the decision, a first loss for diego, no matter how much he earned it. see this kinda crap in boxing all the time.
They are prepping him for a beatdown in my eyes. He's got an unbelievable ground game but his stand up game sucks. That will get him trashed if he fights some of the top welterweights.

[BroncoBen]

Did anyone else think that Diego should have lost that fight? I thought it was close but I did'nt think Diego did enough to win.

Actually I thought Diego won outright, It seemed to me that Alessio’s gameplan was not to go to the ground. But he wasn’t doing anything. Do you give him points for just standing up? Most of his punches were deflected by Diego.

Diego was the more active fighter, at least he was trying to make it fight and not a dancing contest like Alessio was trying to make it.

I think the fight between Spencher Fisher and Matt Wilman was the best fight of the night, that flying knee kick was awesome.

[DB-Freak]

UFC 60

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[BMF Bronco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MTdthB6YIk&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b

[mosca]

nice animated .gifs, man. that first one of melving guillard knocking out rick davis - imagine what had happened if he had connected on the second shot, which missed simply because the first one dropped davis? totally woulda hurt. that guillard kid, how much did they say he was? 155 lbs? that's gotta be the most muscle i've seen on a 155 pounder. how much did he have to drop to make weight? this guy could be a beast in years to come.

[DB-Freak]

Not sure, but he is pretty shredded. Wouldn't say he's big. But I'm sure he cuts a decent amount of weight since he used to be a WW on the TUF show.


man. that first one of melving guillard knocking out rick davis - imagine what had happened if he had connected on the second shot, which missed simply because the first one dropped davis? totally woulda hurt.

It was the case like that with Gomi vs Azeredo. He lands one that probably knocked out Az and Gomi another shot while Az is going down.

[DB-Freak]

The best one with Gomi I could find now.

http://img28.echo.cx/img28/9035/gomiko1ek.gif

[mosca]

Yikes. That had to hurt for days.

[Elway 4 Life]

Actually I thought Diego won outright, It seemed to me that Alessio’s gameplan was not to go to the ground. But he wasn’t doing anything. Do you give him points for just standing up? Most of his punches were deflected by Diego.

Diego was the more active fighter, at least he was trying to make it fight and not a dancing contest like Alessio was trying to make it.

I think the fight between Spencher Fisher and Matt Wilman was the best fight of the night, that flying knee kick was awesome.
Every judge awards points differently. I think Alessio's jab was wicked, it cut diego good. He didnt throw his hands like I expected and i think if he did diego would have lost outright. I just dont think you can reward a fighter that is and ineffective agressor. Diego came at him the whole fight but failed at every takedown. His standup sucked. The end of the fight he looked good but that was way to late in my eyes. I like diego I was just very dissapointed, he looked very one dimensional.

[kamakazi_kal]

This stuff has too much of a pro wrestling edge for me.

I will try to check out this fight, but the ads look like Vince Mcmahon has a hand in these, leagues or federations, or what ever they are called.


dont be angry cause your sport is dying.......... you know this is nothing like wwf