Bush Denies Eavesdropping

[gunns]

Bush denies eavesdropping on U.S. phones
But president sidesteps issue of compiling millions of call records

Updated: 1:03 p.m. ET May 16, 2006
WASHINGTON - President Bush insisted Tuesday that the United States does not listen in on domestic telephone conversations among ordinary Americans. But he declined to specifically discuss the government’s alleged compiling of phone records, or whether it would amount to an invasion of privacy.

“We do not listen to domestic phone calls without court approval,” Bush said in an East Room news conference with Australian Prime Minister John Howard.

“What I’ve told the American people is we’ll protect them against an al-Qaida attack. And we’ll do that within the law,” Bush said.

The president’s new press secretary, Tony Snow, later insisted that Bush’s comments did not amount to a confirmation of published reports that the NSA’s surveillance was broader than initially acknowledged and that it included secretly collecting millions of phone-call records.

Bush said, “This government will continue to guard the privacy of the American people. But if al-Qaida is calling into the United States, we want to know, and we want to know why.”

However, he did not respond directly when asked whether it was a violation of privacy for the National Security Agency to seek phone records from telephone companies.

A Senate confirmation hearing is scheduled for Thursday on Bush’s nomination of Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden to head the Central Intelligence Agency. As the NSA director from 1999-2005, Hayden oversaw the government’s warrantless surveillance program.

Questions about that program, and new revelations about the NSA’s phone data bank, may be obstacles to Hayden’s confirmation.

Bush did appear to acknowledge the NSA sweep of phone records indirectly, saying that the program referred to by a reporter in a question “is one that has been fully briefed to members of the United States Congress in both political parties.”

“They’re very aware of what is taking place. The American people expect their government to protect them within the laws of this country and I’m going to continue to do just that,” he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12817488/

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sounds like the Crawford Caligula is off his meds again.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[DBruleU]

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I have a question LABF...do you believe that President Bush has been dropping in on ordinary Americans phone calls?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I have a question LABF...do you believe that President Bush has been dropping in on ordinary Americans phone calls?

There is already proof that he has done just that.

Peace activists, environmentalists and Quakers were among those targeted in the NSA's spying, according to the Times, which held release of its series for one year, under pressure from the White House, and reconfirmed facts.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/020906ACLU.shtml

[DBruleU]

Sorry. I don't believe anything that comes from the ACLU.

[gunns]

Sorry. I don't believe anything that comes from the ACLU.

Who cares if you believe the ACLU? Do you believe Bush?

[DBruleU]

Who cares if you believe the ACLU? Do you believe Bush?
Yes.

i may disagree with some of the things he has done lately, but I trust he is a truthful man, and he has the best interest of the nation at mind.

[24champ]

Who cares if you believe the ACLU? Do you believe Bush?
ACLU is a Fckin joke, I mean the ACLU defended the North American Man Boy Love Association, saying that although the organization champions the criminal rape of children, it has a right to do that under free expression.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sorry. I don't believe anything that comes from the ACLU.

So are you trying to claim that the ACLU's facts aren't straight in this instance, i.e., that peace activists, environmentalists and Quakers were not among those targeted in the NSA's spying?

You might want to do a Google search before you make that your final answer.

:D

[TailgateNut]

Yes.

i may disagree with some of the things he has done lately, but I trust he is a truthful man, and he has the best interest of the nation at mind.


....a truthful man....LOL

[alkemical]

Sorry. I don't believe anything that comes from the ACLU.


Facts are facts though -

[defenseman]

the ACLU infringes on the rights of the every day american NOT to have to put up with the special interests groups mantra every single day. True, possibly, slanted in their presentation of the facts, almost twisted? Absolutely, at every turn. ....they are a detriment and a black eye to the every day american and aide terrorists most of the time. They need to be tried and sentenced just like the damn terrorists. Disgrace to america..dman

[alkemical]

dman,

that is another issue - I do agree the aclu wipes their butt with the constitution as much as most presidential administration - but i have found other documentation that does back their assertion. However, they are using these groups to shield the subversive groups.

[Bronx33]

Getaclu

[bendog]

It's true, unfortuantely. But didn't we all know it would be, when bushii said he wasn't going to follow the law to get warrants.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/

Actually what I found was the above monitoring of anti-war groups by the DOD. Did they tap?

And as for the quakers, this appears to be the nut.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/

It is the smoking gun to show warrantless taps on peace activists? no. But its getting closer

[bendog]

dman,

that is another issue - I do agree the aclu wipes their butt with the constitution as much as most presidential administration - but i have found other documentation that does back their assertion. However, they are using these groups to shield the subversive groups.
I lost you. Who is subversive.

As for the aclu. Thier job is to push the liberty envelope, but they do look stupid much of the time. I think it goes with the territory. Great country to have such a group.

[alkemical]

I lost you. Who is subversive.

As for the aclu. Thier job is to push the liberty envelope, but they do look stupid much of the time. I think it goes with the territory. Great country to have such a group.


for example:

some environmentalists are very much whacko - but the aclu will push say... WWF knowing that it opens the door for greenpeace militants.

[bendog]

hmmm, yeah I recall the aclu trying to get the Klan a parade permit in Den on the same day there was some black thing going on. Recipe to a riot.

Just lost me because I don't really see the peace activist people the NSA and DOD are watching as subversive. Subversive, imo, implies someone is trying to destroy something in society. Spiking trees is NOT a good thing.

[alkemical]

hmmm, yeah I recall the aclu trying to get the Klan a parade permit in Den on the same day there was some black thing going on. Recipe to a riot.

Just lost me because I don't really see the peace activist people the NSA and DOD are watching as subversive. Subversive, imo, implies someone is trying to destroy something in society. Spiking trees is NOT a good thing.


Bendog,

wait till the media gets ahold if disney's new movie 'hoot' - civil disobedience given a bad name.

[bendog]

Bendog,

wait till the media gets ahold if disney's new movie 'hoot' - civil disobedience given a bad name.
I read that book to my daughter last fall. It's wonderful. Hiaason does a great job with the characters. I think the movie will disappoint me, but the movie version of Because of Winn Dixie was very charming, though the dog bore nor resemblence to the dog in the book, but hey, you gotta go with the dog ya got. I'm having a hard time believing that the Frigging Mouse won't botch up environmental pranksterism.

[alkemical]

I read that book to my daughter last fall. It's wonderful. Hiaason does a great job with the characters. I think the movie will disappoint me, but the movie version of Because of Winn Dixie was very charming, though the dog bore nor resemblence to the dog in the book, but hey, you gotta go with the dog ya got. I'm having a hard time believing that the Frigging Mouse won't botch up environmental pranksterism.


It's a different disney. This mouse will make sure it gets enough pomp on all it's stations to make people scream over it

[bendog]

NSA may tap disney. Prolly already is over benefits to gay and lesbian partners, not to mention the annual gay pride day at "the World."

[alkemical]

haha!

[Old Dude]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0516/dailyUpdate.html

FBI tracking reporters to find leaks?

[alkemical]

yeah in my news thread i had a story on it with regaurds to ABC reporters.....

crazy

[Dudeskey]

http://www.thismodernworld.com/blog/NSA2.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Facts are facts though -

DBruleU and his bush-lovin' buddies are doing what they always do:

Create a deflection, i.e., turn the discussion into an attack on the ACLU, rather than address the original issue:

Peace activists, environmentalists and Quakers were among those targeted in the NSA's spying, according to the Times, which held release of its series for one year, under pressure from the White House, and reconfirmed facts.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/020906ACLU.shtml

[Spider]

Ha! to9 the ACLU haters , call Rush Limbaugh in private and ask him what he realy thinks of the ACLU ............ as a matter of fact if it wernt for the ACLU alot more about Rush would have came out ........... Then while yo uare at it cal the preacher in in New Mexico that did 109 days for preaching on the street corner Shawn Miller, is his name ........ACLU demanded his release .........
what the hell here http://home.comcast.net/~aasch/ACLUFightsForChristians.htm
to those narrow minded small dick retards here , before you blast the ACLU , learn what in the fúck you are talking about .......... Yeah ACLU defends Nambla right to speak , hold convietions , just like they do for the Clan , if your simple áss has a problem with this dont attend Nambla meetings ..........

[Spider]

it will be hard to read all of those links and not feel stupid ....... But what I hope you take from it is , the ACLU doesnt discriminate , they will fight tooth and nail for you if you are in the right ....... Big Corperations hate the ACLU , if it wernt for the ACLU idiots that bad mouth couldnt do it ...........

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Sweet it worked..OK now I'll weigh in here. I don't mind. I have nothing nothing nothing to fear if somebody records or listens to 15 seconds of a call I make to my sister while we bitch about our drunk mother. Uncle Sugar already knows she is a drunk so they will probabily ring off and continue thier search for bad guys who I hope they catch.

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[SPfloppy]

Sweet it worked..OK now I'll weigh in here. I don't mind. I have nothing nothing nothing to fear if somebody records or listens to 15 seconds of a call I make to my sister while we bitch about our drunk mother. Uncle Sugar already knows she is a drunk so they will probabily ring off and continue thier search for bad guys who I hope they catch.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/ddavig/freecat.jpg

[Spider]

Sweet it worked..OK now I'll weigh in here. I don't mind. I have nothing nothing nothing to fear if somebody records or listens to 15 seconds of a call I make to my sister while we b**** about our drunk mother. Uncle Sugar already knows she is a drunk so they will probabily ring off and continue thier search for bad guys who I hope they catch.

I seriusly doubt someone has been caught using this tactic , it isnt so much the spying , it is the prick thinking he can do whatever he wants whether it is legal or not ............ If Bush came out in the beginin and was honest instead of all that Search warrent crap , I could cut him some slack on this ............. But the Bastard has the idea he can lie , Bulshít and do whatever the hell he wants and answer to no one .............America doesnt work that way

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I seriusly doubt someone has been caught using this tactic , it isnt so much the spying , it is the prick thinking he can do whatever he wants whether it is legal or not ............ If Bush came out in the beginin and was honest instead of all that Search warrent crap , I could cut him some slack on this ............. But the Bastard has the idea he can lie , Bulshít and do whatever the hell he wants and answer to no one .............America doesnt work that way

Exactly.

You'd be hard pressed to find any American - no matter what his political leanings - who doesn't want the president to protect us from the bad guys.

The issue is that Bush already has all the power he needs to spy on the bad guys (read: FISA court) without breaking the law, urinating on the Constitution, and declaring himself the sort of king from whom we declared our independence 200+ years ago.

[Old Dude]

Exactly.

...
The issue is that Bush already has all the power he needs to spy on the bad guys (read: FISA court) without breaking the law, urinating on the Constitution, and declaring himself the sort of king from whom we declared our independence 200+ years ago.

Well, that may be true L.A., but it takes a certain amount of skill to utilize the tools that the government has already been given. And if anything else is clear, it is that Bush and most of the people he has appointed to key positions are, and always have been, incompetent.

Bush went through his whole life as a rich boy having rules bent for his personal convenience, and there is no reason to think that he would now see the Constitution as anything other than another pesky rule that can be set aside for him and his friends whenever it's not convenient.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well, that may be true L.A., but it takes a certain amount of skill to utilize the tools that the government has already been given. And if anything else is clear, it is that Bush and most of the people he has appointed to key positions are, and always have been, incompetent.

Bush went through his whole life as a rich boy having rules bent for his personal convenience, and there is no reason to think that he would now see the Constitution as anything other than another pesky rule that can be set aside for him and his friends whenever it's not convenient.

This is true.

[Old Dude]

This is true.

Sadly, I know.

[gunns]

Yes.

i may disagree with some of the things he has done lately, but I trust he is a truthful man, and he has the best interest of the nation at mind.

Oh, ok. One of the 29% eh?

I have problems with the ACLU also at times, but in this instance ACLU is just another name for, say, Clinton.....let's change the subject from Bush.....if someone else looks bad it means Bush looks less bad. I don't think so.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

.....let's change the subject from Bush.....if someone else looks bad it means Bush looks less bad. I don't think so.

Perfect summary of the sort of intellectually dishonest tactic used by DBruleU, W*GS, et al.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...but I trust he is a truthful man

Unbelievable! :crazy:

Even when proof - from WMD to promises to fire the leaker to NSA spying, etc. - that the man is a bold-faced liar is right in front of your face.

[TheDave]

but I trust he is a truthful man,

He is a politician, that title alone makes him dishonest... "he is a truthful man"... this is what happens when you believe in "Young Earth" theories... once you fall for that line of B.S. i suppose Bush being a truthful man isn't far behind.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He is a politician, that title alone makes him dishonest... "he is a truthful man"... this is what happens when you believe in "Young Earth" theories... once you fall for that line of B.S. i suppose Bush being a truthful man isn't far behind.

:D

Neither is "Extreme Jesus."

[TheDave]

:D

Neither is "Extreme Jesus."

greatest cartoon ever :thumbs:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

greatest cartoon ever :thumbs:

;D

Where two or more who believe GeeDubya is a 'truthful man' are gathered in his name, Extreme Jesus can't be far behind.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Bush had my phone tapped in 1999 while he was Texas Governor.

[DBruleU]

He is a politician, that title alone makes him dishonest... "he is a truthful man"... this is what happens when you believe in "Young Earth" theories... once you fall for that line of B.S. i suppose Bush being a truthful man isn't far behind.

Or Vice Versa.

But let's not get into the Young Earth theories again.

[alkemical]

yes, they are as silly as bush being an honest man.

[bendog]

Come on, he really did think Saddam had a nuke and smallpox in a vial. Don't be so .... untrusting.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I read that book to my daughter last fall. It's wonderful. Hiaason does a great job with the characters. I think the movie will disappoint me, but the movie version of Because of Winn Dixie was very charming, though the dog bore nor resemblence to the dog in the book, but hey, you gotta go with the dog ya got. I'm having a hard time believing that the Frigging Mouse won't botch up environmental pranksterism.

Read Hiiason's adult books. You would like "Silly Puppy". LMFAO

[alkemical]

Does anyone else find it 'wierd' that clive barker writes childrens books