Chavez: Imprison 'genocidal' Bush

[W*GS]

(A little news story to warm LABF's angry heart)

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/05/15/britain.chavez/

[defenseman]

One shot, one kill....dman

[DBruleU]

One shot, one kill....dman

Wheres Jason Bourne?

[defenseman]

I'm sure we have out JB's out there, but their collectively unemployed right now...dman

[24champ]

Jason Bourne??? Nah send in Thomas Beckett ( Sniper the movie reference)

http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/mgolby/sniper.jpg

[elsid13]

Wow, we ban arms sell to his countryand he get all pissy on us.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060515/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_venezuela_8;_ylt=Al2FRZLSJSAw0_8tV22mj0RjhuIA;_ ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

U.S. Orders Ban of Arms Sales to Venezuela <!-- END HEADLINE -->
<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 29 minutes ago


The Bush administration is banning arms sales from the U.S. to Venezuela, America's fifth-largest source for oil imports, because of what it says is a lack of support by President Hugo Chavez's government for counterterrorism.

The U.S. action signals a further deterioration in relations with Venezuela, though Chavez shrugged it off and said he did not plan retaliation.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Monday the United States was concerned about Venezuela's close relations with Iran and Cuba, both of which are on the department's list of state sponsors of terror.

"If you have a reasonable or rational expectation that somehow information that you share with them might make its way to just the groups that you're trying to combat, that's certainly negative," McCormack said.

He said the United States is also concerned about Venezuela's ties with two leftist guerrilla groups in Colombia: the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, and the National Liberation Army, or ELN. Both have been designated foreign terrorist organizations by the United States.

Chavez, on a visit to London, dismissed the U.S. move as irrelevant. "This doesn't matter to us at all," he told The Associated Press. He pledged efforts to find a solution to the problem.

Labeling the United States an "irrational empire," Chavez said it has a "great capacity to do harm to the countries of the world." Chavez previously has called President Bush a terrorist and has accused the United States of plotting to overthrow him.
Earlier, at a London news conference, Chavez rejected U.S. claims that Iran's nuclear program is aimed at producing a nuclear bomb. "I don't believe that the United States or anyone else has the right ... to prohibit that a country have nuclear energy," he said.
The arms sale ban affects U.S. sales and licensing for the export of defense articles and services to Venezuela, including the transfer of defense items, said Darla Jordan, a State Department spokeswoman.

The sanctions are not expected to have a significant impact on U.S. business dealings with Venezuela. The State Department has expressed concern in the past about what it contends is an arms buildup by Venezuela, including the purchase of 100,000 rifles from Russia.

The department said Monday it has noted Venezuela's "multibillion-dollar arms acquisition program." Thomas Shannon, who heads the State Department's Latin America bureau, said the administration had concluded that it could not tell Congress that Venezuela was cooperating in counterterrorism activities in any meaningful way.

"This was a step we took with great reluctance," Shannon said in response to a question during an appearance at George Washington University.

He also noted that the administration already had "decertified" Venezuela for lack of cooperation in combating drug trafficking. "We are now at the same point concerning terrorism," Shannon said. Antoine Halff, an oil analyst at Fimat USA in New York, said it was too soon to determine how the oil market would react, though he anticipated a possible short-term increase in oil prices. He added that the U.S. has ample supplies right now and that any potential retaliatory action by Venezuela would be tempered by the fact that global demand appears to be weakening.

Indeed, crude-oil futures declined more than 3 percent Monday, falling below $70 a barrel, amid signs that high prices were slowing consumption in the United States.
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AP Diplomatic Writer Barry Schweid and AP Business Writer Brad Foss contributed to this story.

[Bronx33]

Wow, we ban arms sell to his countryand he get all pissy on us.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060515/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_venezuela_8;_ylt=Al2FRZLSJSAw0_8tV22mj0RjhuIA;_ ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

U.S. Orders Ban of Arms Sales to Venezuela <!-- END HEADLINE -->
<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 29 minutes ago


The Bush administration is banning arms sales from the U.S. to Venezuela, America's fifth-largest source for oil imports, because of what it says is a lack of support by President Hugo Chavez's government for counterterrorism.

The U.S. action signals a further deterioration in relations with Venezuela, though Chavez shrugged it off and said he did not plan retaliation.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Monday the United States was concerned about Venezuela's close relations with Iran and Cuba, both of which are on the department's list of state sponsors of terror.

"If you have a reasonable or rational expectation that somehow information that you share with them might make its way to just the groups that you're trying to combat, that's certainly negative," McCormack said.

He said the United States is also concerned about Venezuela's ties with two leftist guerrilla groups in Colombia: the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, and the National Liberation Army, or ELN. Both have been designated foreign terrorist organizations by the United States.

Chavez, on a visit to London, dismissed the U.S. move as irrelevant. "This doesn't matter to us at all," he told The Associated Press. He pledged efforts to find a solution to the problem.

Labeling the United States an "irrational empire," Chavez said it has a "great capacity to do harm to the countries of the world." Chavez previously has called President Bush a terrorist and has accused the United States of plotting to overthrow him.
Earlier, at a London news conference, Chavez rejected U.S. claims that Iran's nuclear program is aimed at producing a nuclear bomb. "I don't believe that the United States or anyone else has the right ... to prohibit that a country have nuclear energy," he said.
The arms sale ban affects U.S. sales and licensing for the export of defense articles and services to Venezuela, including the transfer of defense items, said Darla Jordan, a State Department spokeswoman.

The sanctions are not expected to have a significant impact on U.S. business dealings with Venezuela. The State Department has expressed concern in the past about what it contends is an arms buildup by Venezuela, including the purchase of 100,000 rifles from Russia.

The department said Monday it has noted Venezuela's "multibillion-dollar arms acquisition program." Thomas Shannon, who heads the State Department's Latin America bureau, said the administration had concluded that it could not tell Congress that Venezuela was cooperating in counterterrorism activities in any meaningful way.

"This was a step we took with great reluctance," Shannon said in response to a question during an appearance at George Washington University.

He also noted that the administration already had "decertified" Venezuela for lack of cooperation in combating drug trafficking. "We are now at the same point concerning terrorism," Shannon said. Antoine Halff, an oil analyst at Fimat USA in New York, said it was too soon to determine how the oil market would react, though he anticipated a possible short-term increase in oil prices. He added that the U.S. has ample supplies right now and that any potential retaliatory action by Venezuela would be tempered by the fact that global demand appears to be weakening.

Indeed, crude-oil futures declined more than 3 percent Monday, falling below $70 a barrel, amid signs that high prices were slowing consumption in the United States.
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AP Diplomatic Writer Barry Schweid and AP Business Writer Brad Foss contributed to this story.


He hangs out with Iran and Cuba that's nice.

[elsid13]

He hangs out with Iran and Cuba that's nice.

But LABF tells us he great guy ;D

[GonzoLays]

(A little news story to warm LABF's angry heart)



http://www.strawberrynet.com/images/products/01757684005.jpg

[Bronco_Beerslug]

(A little news story to warm LABF's angry heart)

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/05/15/britain.chavez/

Chavez is a radical but I have no doubt Bush has/is trying to figure out how to install another regime change in Venezuela up to and including assassination.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Chavez: Imprison 'genocidal' Bush

+1 :thumbsup:

Bush is a war criminal who is committing genocide in Iraq, and he should stand trial in the Hague.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Chavez is a radical but I have no doubt Bush has/is trying to figure out how to install another regime change in Venezuela up to and including assassination.

Iraq's WMD were moved to Venezuela, don'tcha know? ;)

Anti-democracy/pro-corporatocracy types like Bush (and his sycophant W*GS) hate Chavez because Chavez is using his country's oil revenues to empower the poor.

Empowering the poor is an action that is diametrically opposed to the BushCo agenda.

[Rigs11]

Send Dumbya's ass to Guantanamo. See how he likes it. And send Dickie along too.

[Jesterhole]

Hmmm...how many Iraq civilians have to die before it is considered genocide? I mean, Bush admitted a few months ago that 30K had been killed. He seemed real upset by that number, too. <sarcasm>

If/when it hits 100K, is that genocide? Or do we need to kill some % of the overall population?

If I knew I was personally responsible for tens of thousands of innocent deaths, I don't know that I could sleep at night.

[Rigs11]

Hmmm...how many Iraq civilians have to die before it is considered genocide? I mean, Bush admitted a few months ago that 30K had been killed. He seemed real upset by that number, too. <sarcasm>

If/when it hits 100K, is that genocide? Or do we need to kill some % of the overall population?

If I knew I was personally responsible for tens of thousands of innocent deaths, I don't know that I could sleep at night.
In bush's world it's called "liberation".

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wheres Jason Bourne?

DBruleU = Pat Robertson :crazy:

http://www.bartcop.com/xtreme-Jesus.jpg

[DBruleU]

DBruleU = Pat Robertson :crazy:

http://www.bartcop.com/xtreme-Jesus.jpg

Oh no!

Not Robertson!

Desperate times, call for desperate measures.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh no!

Not Robertson!

Desperate times, call for desperate measures.

Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Chavez - just like you and your pal dman just did on this thread.

Birds of a feather...

[DBruleU]

Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Chavez - just like you and your pal dman just did on this thread.

Birds of a feather...

Oh, I know.

dman is the man.

Sorry 'bout that though. I know you're in bed with the Venezualan dictator.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh, I know.

dman is the man.

Sorry 'bout that though. I know you're in bed with the Venezualan dictator.

Who would Jesus assassinate, eh?

Chavez isn't a "dictator" - he is a democratically elected leader.

His approval rating is in the 70s and 80s lately.

Only the elite, super-rich corporatists and robber barons in his own country dislike him.

You might try to at least inform yourself re: the basics before trying to participate in a discussion.

[DBruleU]

Who would Jesus assassinate, eh?

Chavez isn't a "dictator" - he is a democratically elected leader.

His approval rating is in the 70s and 80s lately.

Only the elite, super-rich corporatists and robber barons in his own country dislike him.

You might try to at least inform yourself re: the basics before trying to participate in a discussion.

I know.

I just like getting you all riled up.

He's still a dictator though.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I know.
I just like getting you all riled up.
He's still a dictator though.
He's a dictator? I'd submit Bush is closer to that description than Chavez.

[DBruleU]

He's a dictator? I'd submit Bush is closer to that description than Chavez.

I know you would.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I know you would.
Tell me why you wouldn't?

[Rascal]

The guy can go to hell:

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2185212005

VENEZUELA'S president has threatened to give Cuba and China F-16 fighter aircraft from his arsenal, insisting that the US has failed to fulfil its maintenance commitments for the combat planes.

President Hugo Chavez, who has overtaken his ally Fidel Castro of Cuba as the regional nemesis for the Bush White House, said: "We can do whatever we want with the planes. Maybe we'll send 10 to Cuba, or maybe to China so that they can see the technology."

[DBruleU]

Tell me why you wouldn't?

Because nothing he has done has infringed on my day to day life the past 6 years, and none of personal rights have been limited.

[defenseman]

Chavez, is very convincing and on some level somewhat charasmatic. He is smart enough to know how the politics of the world work, however, he is in a 'piling on' phase that will be destructive to his overall goals. The pendulum will swing the other way and knock him off his throne. Or a bullet may take him out, it's just a matter of time. The lack of enforcement wrt drugs and terrorists is the real problem. He has made some interesting remarks of late, that leads me to surmize something else is up his sleeve, and something not so good is right around the corner. He cannot continue this tact, he knows this. One shot , one kill for this guy, I have absolutely no problem with. ...dman

[defenseman]

The guy can go to hell:

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2185212005

VENEZUELA'S president has threatened to give Cuba and China F-16 fighter aircraft from his arsenal, insisting that the US has failed to fulfil its maintenance commitments for the combat planes.

President Hugo Chavez, who has overtaken his ally Fidel Castro of Cuba as the regional nemesis for the Bush White House, said: "We can do whatever we want with the planes. Maybe we'll send 10 to Cuba, or maybe to China so that they can see the technology."

magically, these planes will NEVER make it to where he wants to send them. I can gaurantee you of that.....This guy is WAY out on a limb that will break on him if he does not back off. He'll hear this from the right people. He is feeling invincible is my take. Why? He has knowledge of future plans of some sort that will weigh in his favor is my thought. May be wrong, but I'm thinking not...dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Because nothing he has done has infringed on my day to day life the past 6 years, and none of personal rights have been limited.
LOL

Now I know, you're deaf and blind.

[DBruleU]

LOL

Now I know, you're deaf and blind.

Well, what about you?

What's changed for you last 6 years, and only in the last 6 years?

I'll start you off....wire tapping....he listened to you talk to your aunt huh?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well, what about you?

What's changed for you last 6 years, and only in the last 6 years?


My cousins are fighting a war started by Bush.

My investments along with everyone else's still haven recovered since he took office, millions of people have lost everything they had.

No one knows the extent of Bush throwing the Constitution out the window.

Me, my children and grandchildren will be paying for this idiot spending the country into economic oblivion.

We now have to worry about a terrorist attack from every radical religious scumbag in every corner of the world now thanks to his foreign policies.

He's about to grant amnesty to 20 million criminals in this country and by announcing he will do this, millions more are streaming into the country.

There's more but I have to go to the breach for awhile.

[defenseman]

My cousins are fighting a war started by Bush.

My investments along with everyone else's still haven recovered since he took office, millions of people have lost everything they had.

No one knows the extent of Bush throwing the Constitution out the window.

Me, my children and grandchildren will be paying for this idiot spending the country into economic oblivion.

We now have to worry about a terrorist attack from every radical religious scumbag in every corner of the world now thanks to his foreign policies.

He's about to grant amnesty to 20 million criminals in this country and by announcing he will do this, millions more are streaming into the country.

There's more but I have to go to the breach for awhile.

Investments? Think again pal. That collapse was set up , signed and delivered by the dot.com splat while the Clinton administration was in office. The economy, is holding it's own right now and has rebounded quite nicely with respect to investments. Then again, if you don't invest properly , you are going to get burned anyway...dman

We started this? We attacked our own WTC? I don't think so. And in case you haven't figured it out yet, it's a pay me now OR later deal with the terrorists. Then again, if you want to take them on at the local elementary school have it...I'll get the popcorn..dman

I DO AGREE with you on your take on the 'amnesty' issue. However veiled it is, it is still amnesty. I for one am against ANY amnesty in any shape or form and yes, the flood gates will open immediately. Scares the hell out of me....

[clarker]

My cousins are fighting a war started by Bush.

My investments along with everyone else's still haven recovered since he took office, millions of people have lost everything they had.

No one knows the extent of Bush throwing the Constitution out the window.

Me, my children and grandchildren will be paying for this idiot spending the country into economic oblivion.

We now have to worry about a terrorist attack from every radical religious scumbag in every corner of the world now thanks to his foreign policies.

He's about to grant amnesty to 20 million criminals in this country and by announcing he will do this, millions more are streaming into the country.

There's more but I have to go to the breach for awhile.I say you have a beef with everyone of those except this one.

We now have to worry about a terrorist attack from every radical religious scumbag in every corner of the world now thanks to his foreign policies

The terrorist have attacked us way before Bush was even in office. U.S.S. Cole ring a bell? Who was President then? The First World Trade Center attack? Those Marines that were killed in 1983, under Ronnie.

[DBruleU]

My cousins are fighting a war started by Bush.

My investments along with everyone else's still haven recovered since he took office, millions of people have lost everything they had.

No one knows the extent of Bush throwing the Constitution out the window.

Me, my children and grandchildren will be paying for this idiot spending the country into economic oblivion.

We now have to worry about a terrorist attack from every radical religious scumbag in every corner of the world now thanks to his foreign policies.

He's about to grant amnesty to 20 million criminals in this country and by announcing he will do this, millions more are streaming into the country.

There's more but I have to go to the breach for awhile.


FYI-The economy is actually quite strong.

Amnesty. Didn't he just ay last night he's against amnesty?

[defenseman]

Wait till chavez starts to offer Iran these F-16's. That will cut it right there. He's history...dman

*Amnesty? He did say he was against it, however offered a form of it none the less. Veiled to some, but still a form of amnesty. Didn't like it one bit..dman

[DBruleU]

Wait till chavez starts to offer Iran these F-16's. That will cut it right there. He's history...dman

*Amnesty? He did say he was against it, however offered a form of it none the less. Veiled to some, but still a form of amnesty. Didn't like it one bit..dman

Ditto.

I'm against amnesty 100%. No way any illegal gets amnesty.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

FYI-The economy is actually quite strong.
Amnesty. Didn't he just ay last night he's against amnesty? Why would you believe anything Bush tells you?

The economy is producing service sector jobs not much more. The trade deficit is out of control, the budget deficit is out of control, real wages are not rising in this country overall.

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Privately, Bush Says He Favors Citizenship
By DAVID ESPO
The Associated Press
Wednesday, April 26, 2006; 9:22 PM

WASHINGTON -- President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at U.S. citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.
http://tinyurl.com/r8cy2

Bush Amnesty Plan Producing Huge Increase of Illegals (http://tinyurl.com/fm6vs)

[Bronx33]

FYI-The economy is actually quite strong.

Amnesty. Didn't he just ay last night he's against amnesty?


Ya but he called it guest worker program to throw people off.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He's still a dictator though.

You never get tired of peddling the disinfo, do you?

MYTH: HUGO CHAVEZ IS A DICTATOR

FACT: Hugo Chavez has promoted more citizen participation in political processes than any other President, including those excluded or left out in the past for economic reasons. No other Venezuelan government has allowed as much transparency and citizen participation in its political system. President Hugo Chavez won the 1998 presidential elections with more than 56% of the votes, after he had promoted the creation of a new constitution historically ratified by popular referendum with over 70% support; he then won elections again in 2000 accounting for 59% of the votes. In 2004, a recall referendum, a provision set forth in the new constitution, was called against the Venezuelan leader, but he again made of with 60% of the votes, ratifying his government. All these elections were witnessed by numerous international observers, including the Carter Center and the Organization of American States (OAS), which found electoral processes in Venezuela to be free and transparent.

[DBruleU]

You never get tired of peddling the disinfo, do you?

MYTH: HUGO CHAVEZ IS A DICTATOR

FACT: Hugo Chavez has promoted more citizen participation in political processes than any other President, including those excluded or left out in the past for economic reasons. No other Venezuelan government has allowed as much transparency and citizen participation in its political system. President Hugo Chavez won the 1998 presidential elections with more than 56% of the votes, after he had promoted the creation of a new constitution historically ratified by popular referendum with over 70% support; he then won elections again in 2000 accounting for 59% of the votes. In 2004, a recall referendum, a provision set forth in the new constitution, was called against the Venezuelan leader, but he again made of with 60% of the votes, ratifying his government. All these elections were witnessed by numerous international observers, including the Carter Center and the Organization of American States (OAS), which found electoral processes in Venezuela to be free and transparent.

I know. Again....I know.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

FYI-The economy is actually quite strong.


:oyvey:

You've elevated being wrong about almost everything to an art form.

The dollar is getting hammered almost daily now.

In just one month the dollar has tumbled from $1.20 to $1.29 vs. the euro; an astonishing 7% retreat.

In just 6 years Bush has taken the world's strongest currency and chopped it into finally ground hash.

Bush has piled up more debt than all the other presidents combined. His tax cuts have fattened the bankrolls of his constituents but they've put the dollar on a downward slide. Since he took office the once-mighty greenback has plummeted a whopping 35%.

On Thursday the GOP-controlled congress added another $70 billion to Washington's mountain of debt, completely ignoring the fact that the dollar lost a full 2% against the euro in the same 24 hour period. Is it possible to be that obtuse?

Is anyone minding the store? The blinkered congress keeps writing bad checks on an overdrawn account and then patting themselves on the back for a hard day's work. It's incredible. What foreign country wants to be yoked to a currency that is underwritten by $8.4 trillion in debt and freefalling by the day?

[24champ]

CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuela is considering selling its fleet of U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets to another country, perhaps Iran, in response to a U.S. ban on arms sales to President Hugo Chavez’s government, a military official said Tuesday.
Gen. Alberto Muller, a senior adviser to Chavez, told The Associated Press he had recommended to the defense minister that Venezuela consider selling the 21 jets to another country.
Muller said he thought it was worthwhile to consider “the feasibility of a negotiation with Iran for the sale of those planes.”



Even before the U.S. announced the ban on arms sales Monday, Washington had stopped selling Venezuela sensitive upgrades for the F-16s.
Chavez has previously warned he could share the U.S. jets with Cuba if Washington does not supply parts for the planes. He also has said he may look into buying fighter jets from Russia or China instead.
U.S. State Department figures show Venezuelan purchases of U.S. defense equipment in 2005 came to $33.9 million, of which $30.5 million was for C-130 cargo plane spare parts. It was not clear whether such purchases will be barred under the new rules.





http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12818045/

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's a republican for you: Castigating the evil communist dictator south of Miami while turning a blind eye to the evil communist dictator in Bejing.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Investments? Think again pal. That collapse was set up , signed and delivered by the dot.com splat while the Clinton administration was in office.

More disinfo you probably got from Rehab Rush.

If and when you decide to detox from the Kool-Aid, here are the facts:

http://jec.senate.gov/democrats/charts/bush_s&p.gif

http://jec.senate.gov/democrats/charts/bush_cbo_surplus.gif

[W*GS]

You never get tired of peddling the disinfo, do you?

You always have VHeadline pro-Chavez propaganda at the ready.