Looks like the chefs might not get Law...

[SoonerBronco]

What??? Herm and Peterson can't sell an all-pro corner on the fact that he'll be playing in a first rate defensive system in KC???:rofl:

per ESPN...

Law review in N.E.?
<May. 15> Although Patriots officials would not confirm the visit, Law was in Foxboro las Friday to undergo a physical, according to the Boston Herald.
Patriots coach Bill Belichick, who has kept in touch with Law this offseason, has assumed the lead role in contract negotiations between Law and the team.

"It's not like [GM] Scott [Pioli] or anyone else is calling up Carl and Kevin [Poston, Law's agents] twice a day," a source told the Herald. "If anything happens it's because of Bill and Ty."

Law, who is reportedly seeking around $10 million in guaranteed money, visited Tennessee last Thursday. The 32-year-old is also being courted by the Chiefs and Seahawks

[ZachKC]

I really don't think KC has made that much of a signifigant push for Law.

[ZachKC]

Is there any way we could get a straw man argument designation kind of like there is a non football thread designation?

STA?

Or if there are a lot... MSTA?

[SoonerBronco]

I really don't think KC has made that much of a signifigant push for Law.

Are you kidding me??????????????????

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I really don't think KC has made that much of a signifigant push for Law.

Yeah, because Clayton only goes on Sportscenter and says teams will sign players when the team hasn't made a real push for the guy.

[ZachKC]

Yeah, because Clayton only goes on Sportscenter and says teams will sign players when the team hasn't made a real push for the guy.
Heh, now the national media is the cornerstone OMers are relying on.

[ZachKC]

Are you kidding me??????????????????
Don't get me wrong. They are trying to get him. But folks in KC really don't see it as that big of deal if we don't sign Law.

[ludo21]

:rofl: Heh, now the national media is the cornerstone OMers are relying on.


we love the media here ;)

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Heh, now the national media is the cornerstone OMers are relying on.

Who to believe? John Clayton or you, and your opinion that the Chiefs weren't that interested? Man, that's a toughie.

[ZachKC]

Who to believe? John Clayton or you, and your opinion that the Chiefs weren't that interested? Man, that's a toughie.
Not making that signifigant of push does not equal not interested.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Not making that signifigant of push does not equal not interested.

Of course, but then again, Clayton said they were going to sign him and you're relying on semantics to back out of your original comment now. Guess they just waited for Law to come them.

[SoonerBronco]

:giggle: Sure...you guys really didn't want him, or for pete's sake, NEED him.

[NaptownChief]

It doesn't really matter does it? I mean if the Chiefs sign him they overpaid for a worn out, broken down player out of desperation and if they don't sign him it is because they aren't good enough to get it done. We know the consensus before the result so why are we even wasting time on this?

[ZachKC]

It doesn't really matter does it? I mean if the Chiefs sign him they overpaid for a worn out, broken down player out of desperation and if they don't sign him it is because they aren't good enough to get it done. We know the consensus before the result so why are we even wasting time on this?
Bingo...if they dont sign him he is a ballhawking veteren who knows how to win and make plays. If we do then he is an old has been that needs a walker and we overpaid for him. I know this schtick.

Hey, I like Taw Law. Id like to see him in red. I am not saying the Chiefs dont have intrest in him. I am going against the notion they are throwing everything but the kitchen sink to get them. Thats not how it is...

Herm likes young players...

[Pat Bowlen]

It doesn't really matter does it? I mean if the Chiefs sign him they overpaid for a worn out, broken down player out of desperation and if they don't sign him it is because they aren't good enough to get it done. We know the consensus before the result so why are we even wasting time on this?
You're coming around.

[Smiling Assassin27]

personally, i don't want Law in KC, period. Surtain+Law=a pretty good batch of DB's. Law is not worth 10 mil in guaranteed money but the guy still can produce.

of course, when productive players enter the world of KC, they tend to fall off a bit.

[SoonerBronco]

It doesn't really matter does it? I mean if the Chiefs sign him they overpaid for a worn out, broken down player out of desperation and if they don't sign him it is because they aren't good enough to get it done. We know the consensus before the result so why are we even wasting time on this?

I'm all for jumping on the Ty Law bandwagon. He will be an asset to which ever team he lands on. Whether or not he is a broken down has been is beside the point...he is a leader and has "been there". Like it or not, the chefs need that desperately on defense...Herm or no Herm...

[Crowpointer]

I was going to post this earlier but it is just a visit. It is no secret he would love to come back to the Pats. He best buddy is Seymour (he would drive up from NY to watch MNF at his house), he is tied with Raymond Clayborn for team Interception record (which he would like to have by himself), friends in the area, a chance for another ring, retire as a Patriot.ect....it just boils down to if he can lower that 10 million number. If not it will never happen.

[broncsyanks]

i wish we could afford him

[Bob's your Information Minister]

of course, when productive players enter the world of KC, they tend to fall off a bit.

What a load of crap.

[SoonerBronco]

What a load of crap.

Your right Bob...quality players usually don't land in KC...;D

[NaptownChief]

I'm pretty indifferent on Law...Would like to have him on playing ability alone but if he is to actually get anything close to the $10 million in guaranteed money then I would probably prefer to stay away. My guess is he has one good year and one decent year left before falling off the face of the NFL planet. $10 million is too much for what will likely be just one good year.

[Jetmeck]

Not making that signifigant of push does not equal not interested.

They have the dough, so why not ? Seriously how hard do you have to slap these idiots up side the head before they realize the O is getting old. You can't wait ten years to get a decent D and expect the O to stay at the high level of production they have been at for several years, seriously the Chefs are lucky the O hasn't declined significantly, it is that hard to keep people together and healthy in the NFL. When will they wake up and spend the dough for the D to get to the bowl. All the better for the Broncs, pitiful management in KC starting at the top. Peterson would have been fired ANYWHERE else in this leaque.

[crazyhorse]

If Clayton knew what the hell he was talking about Law would have been signed 2 Fridays ago.

Peterson has continued to say at his current asking price we are not interested. If and when he comes down in price they will talk. The Chiefs are taking a wait and see approach.

Now....if that means making a push to get him then you folks are correct. I dont think that's what it means.

I do however think we are interested, for the right price. if the price comes down I expect the Chiefs to 'make a push'.

[Clockwork Orange]

The fact that he's represented by the Postons generally means two things. His asking price won't come down and it'll take six forevers for a deal to get done with whoever eventually signs him.

[Smiling Assassin27]

What a load of crap.

my bad. they become pro bowlers...:thanku:

[Paladin]

Gawd. What a crappy organization. Kc just can't seem to get anything productive accomplished. The mullets are reduced to going to other teams' boards and trying to get a bit of sympathy. No sympathy here, mullets.

You can get a feeling of how a successful organization works by vicariously enjoying the Broncos. Oops! Make that enviously enjoying.....

Poor, poor losers......

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You can get a feeling of how a successful organization works by vicariously enjoying the Broncos. Oops! Make that enviously enjoying.....

Poor, poor losers......

You're such a jackass. The Broncos wouldn't exist without the good graces of our owner.

[Kaylore]

It doesn't really matter does it? I mean if the Chiefs sign him they overpaid for a worn out, broken down player out of desperation and if they don't sign him it is because they aren't good enough to get it done. We know the consensus before the result so why are we even wasting time on this? I'll go on record right now and say that whatever team Law signs with, he will cause problems for that team's opposing offense. Law and Surtain would be a problem.

[ozomulsion]

I'll go on record right now and say that whatever team Law signs with, he will cause problems for that team's opposing offense. Law and Surtain would be a problem.
Agreed, that will suck pretty bad if they can get both.

[Rausch]

Every Chiefs fan knows we only make a splash in free agency in odd numbered years (Odd that 93, 95, 97,and 03 were some of our best years.)

I'm not saying I agree with this plan, or even ****ing understand it for that matter, but it's as predictable as the sun setting and rising...

[Sarcastro]

The mane needs a forum specifically for posting threads about the Chiefs not getting Ty Law. I read a new one every day, or at least every time Law visits a team.

[wabbit]

You're such a jackass. The Broncos wouldn't exist without the good graces of our owner.

Actually, if you knew your AFL history, you would know this isn't true at all.

Hunt was desperate to fill out teams for a competitive league after getting turned down for an NFL franchise on more than one occassion in the 1950's.

He had to plead with investors & actually chose a poor location for his anchor franchise before moving it to Kansas City...poor, because Dallas was clearly in line for an NFL xpansion franchise.

Denver, like Buffalo was considered too small a market for the NFL, but had potential for large regional audiences.

It was greasy Al who insisted Denver & Buffalo remain in any negotiations to merge the two leagues in the mid-60's.

If anyone is directly responsible for keeping pro football in Denver, it would be the Phipps brothers and...greasy Al.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Actually, if you knew your AFL history, you would know this isn't true at all.



Eh, whatever. Lamar is still the founder of the AFL, and Denver was one of the AFL teams.

Without Lamar Hunt there is no Denver Broncos.

[SureShot]

Eh, whatever. Lamar is still the founder of the AFL, and Denver was one of the AFL teams.

Without Lamar Hunt there is no Denver Broncos.



The mullet became popular in the 1970s (in part due to the influence of English pop star David Bowie), but is known to have been worn long before then. Ironically, David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust hairstyle was considered glamourous among devotees of Glam rock and Glitter rock. Urban legends have it dating back to 19th Century fishermen, who wore their hair long in the back to keep warm - hence the term mullet.



Without fishermen there would be no mullets.
Without mullets there would be no Trans Ams.Hilarious!

[wabbit]

Eh, whatever. Lamar is still the founder of the AFL, and Denver was one of the AFL teams.

Without Lamar Hunt there is no Denver Broncos.

In Bobos' world, King Kong was just another monkey with a theatrical flair.

Ignore the substance, concentrate on the trivial & all will be well.

[watermock]

Pat Riley has a mini-mullet in a bun. I'm serious

[Borks147]

The fact that he's represented by the Postons generally means two things. His asking price won't come down and it'll take six forevers for a deal to get done with whoever eventually signs him.

well...its just THE poston now..so who knows ???

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Ignore the substance, concentrate on the trivial & all will be well.

Sounds like your MO, mister "Kennison will quit on the Chiefs."

[watermock]

http://static.flickr.com/39/94536384_f1224950eb.jpg

This isn't a mullet but worth a look. I looked for Riley's mullet and found this. Check out the grapefruit on the upper right.

[Clockwork Orange]

well...its just THE poston now..so who knows ???

I'm sure that the remaining Poston will pick up the slack and do the work of two complete douchebags in his brothers absence.

[wabbit]

Sounds like your MO, mister "Kennison will quit on the Chiefs."


Reaching......reaching......ah, got it...banana in hand.

[fdf]

What??? Herm and Peterson can't sell an all-pro corner on the fact that he'll be playing in a first rate defensive system in KC???:rofl:

Shoot. We're going to have to figure out some way to get the ball past Lenny Wallsw twice a year. There goes the division title.

[Taco John]

You guys must have missed that feel good article on Lenny Walls... Who needs Law? They gots Lenny!

[Kaylore]

You guys must have missed that feel good article on Lenny Walls... Who needs Law? They gots Lenny!
Yeah. I mean Walls told everyone how excited they all were when they saw him move. Whenever I hear some guy insist how excited other people are to see him move, I know I'm talking to greatness. :~ohyah!:

[cutthemdown]

Chiefs are an old team that really has this yr to win then has to rebuild . Roaf and Shields will almost assuredly being playing last yr. When those 2 studs retire they will be in trouble. The got Surtian as best player on defense and he's getting long in the tooth. They already lost Richardson whose loss I think is on par with Howard Griffith getting injured a few yrs ago for us. Kennisson is old and a puss, a dreaded double whammy for the future. Trent Green going to be what 37? 38? he can't play forever. Gonzoles has a few good years left but its not like he's a spring chicken either. Ty Law would fit right in with this group. He's good, a little older but has one thing the others don't. The fact he has won I think is a huge selling point to Chiefs.

[NaptownChief]

You guys must have missed that feel good article on Lenny Walls... Who needs Law? They gots Lenny!


You mean Walls isn't any good? After all the fellatio he received on this board for a couple years I assumed he had to be pretty darn good cause those on this board are really, really sharp.

[Ballhawk]

Chiefs are an old team that really has this yr to win then has to rebuild . Roaf and Shields will almost assuredly being playing last yr. When those 2 studs retire they will be in trouble. The got Surtian as best player on defense and he's getting long in the tooth. They already lost Richardson whose loss I think is on par with Howard Griffith getting injured a few yrs ago for us. Kennisson is old and a puss, a dreaded double whammy for the future. Trent Green going to be what 37? 38? he can't play forever. Gonzoles has a few good years left but its not like he's a spring chicken either. Ty Law would fit right in with this group. He's good, a little older but has one thing the others don't. The fact he has won I think is a huge selling point to Chiefs.
I think Gonzo is a FA next year, It will be interesting to see if Carl ponies up the cash or if Shanny makes a Timmy Brown type move to get him :)

[SoonerBronco]

You mean Walls isn't any good? After all the fellatio he received on this board for a couple years I assumed he had to be pretty darn good cause those on this board are really, really sharp.

uhhhhh....you are on this board...LOL

[NaptownChief]

uhhhhh....you are on this board...LOL


Now that the dust has settled you glad to get rid of Sampson, hate to see him go or indifferent?

[Hulamau]

You mean Walls isn't any good? After all the fellatio he received on this board for a couple years I assumed he had to be pretty darn good cause those on this board are really, really sharp.


Walls can be OK in spurts, but you didnt see any love lost here when we benched him and then cut him last year when something better came along.

That letting up on the Chiefs lone TD in the Denver game was classic. He made the play and didn't finish off.

[SoonerBronco]

Now that the dust has settled you glad to get rid of Sampson, hate to see him go or indifferent?

I really liked him. The douche bag fans we have around here didn't like him because he didn't score 100pts a night like Billy Tubbs. All the guy did was take a team to the Big Dance 11 out of 12 years here, one final 4, one Elite 8, and 3 sweet sixteens.

You guys have a good coach. As far as the recruiting violations....phone calls??? c'mon...please. At least he wasn't paying them like Switzer was.

Sorry for the Hijack guys....

[NaptownChief]

I really liked him. The douche bag fans we have around here didn't like him because he didn't score 100pts a night like Billy Tubbs. All the guy did was take a team to the Big Dance 11 out of 12 years here, one final 4, one Elite 8, and 3 sweet sixteens.

You guys have a good coach. As far as the recruiting violations....phone calls??? c'mon...please. At least he wasn't paying them like Switzer was.

Sorry for the Hijack guys....


As far as a coach I'm very happy with what we got. Hard recruiter, gets the kids to play hard and puts up a lot of W's for the effort. I would like for a little better tourney success but overall I can't complain.

My only beef is the questionable off court ethics. Like you say it isn't like he is paying players or pulling a Dave Bliss and covering up during a murder but I still have some issues with him. I don't expect a coach to have to be perfect on the violation front but the intent behind his violations is where I am a little troubled. He was intentionally cheating to gain unfair advantage in recruiting. Extra and early phone calls isn't paying a player but it is definitely done with the intent to gain unfair advantage. It is a lot like playing a guy for money on the golf course and catching him move his ball out of a bad lie. When all said and done he might still hit a bad shot and it may not have helped him but it is the type of guy you don't want to be around and play with ever again. Honesty and integrity are important characteristics for me so I am struggling a little more than most but he has done and said all the right things since being in Bloomington and has recruited his tail off in the short time he has been here. I expect a lot of good things from him on the court. I just hope the violations was a one time lapse in judgment that isn't a true reflection of his real character.

[SoonerBronco]

As far as a coach I'm very happy with what we got. Hard recruiter, gets the kids to play hard and puts up a lot of W's for the effort. I would like for a little better tourney success but overall I can't complain.

My only beef is the questionable off court ethics. Like you say it isn't like he is paying players or pulling a Dave Bliss and covering up during a murder but I still have some issues with him. I don't expect a coach to have to be perfect on the violation front but the intent behind his violations is where I am a little troubled. He was intentionally cheating to gain unfair advantage in recruiting. Extra and early phone calls isn't paying a player but it is definitely done with the intent to gain unfair advantage. It is a lot like playing a guy for money on the golf course and catching him move his ball out of a bad lie. When all said and done he might still hit a bad shot and it may not have helped him but it is the type of guy you don't want to be around and play with ever again. Honesty and integrity are important characteristics for me so I am struggling a little more than most but he has done and said all the right things since being in Bloomington and has recruited his tail off in the short time he has been here. I expect a lot of good things from him on the court. I just hope the violations was a one time lapse in judgment that isn't a true reflection of his real character.

You have to take into consideration that he was recruiting to Oklahoma, we are and always will be a football school, and he is in a conference that he has to recriut against Texas, OSU, and KU. I honestly think Kelvin will be utilizing the text message to an art form now, so unless the NCAA puts restrictions on that, you'll be fine :) Recruiting to Bloomington, where you are the big game in town (no disrespect to "The Rock" :~ohyah!: ) will be far easier than OU.
Thus, he won't have to cheat as hard....:wiggle:


"If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin..." - Barry Switzer

[ZachKC]

heh, its way to easy to get under some people's skin. I dig this place. Sorry for calling out your obsession with Bob Mr. Sooner...it must have been embaressing to look back at how much time you really spent talking about him.

[Rausch]

Chiefs are an old team that really has this yr to win then has to rebuild . Roaf and Shields will almost assuredly being playing last yr. When those 2 studs retire they will be in trouble.

Do your research.

Roaf wants to play for 2 or 3 more years, at even at 50 he's better than 1/2 the LT's in this league. Green wants to play 2-3 more years (and as long as our line is solid he should be able to.)

Gonzo and Surtain have years left.

The problem isn't our older players, it's our younger players that suck...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

From PatriotsInsider:

According to one of our sources, the Chiefs have roughly $11 million of Cap space, the Seahawks have about $9 million and the Pats have close to $15-17 million.

If the decision were just based upon who could afford Law he would return to New England.

What we're hearing, as of early Friday, is that the Chiefs have the inside edge. We've been reporting that for a few weeks now, and little has changed to alter that opinion.


Here's the excerpt from their free article:


Ty Law to Kansas City, New England or Other: Reports are coming in from those watching ESPN's Cold Pizza, listening to WEEI radio, catching a JT and the Brick show. Each media outlet has their own guest saying where Ty Law will go according to their sources. One claims that Law's agent has said the all-pro cornerback is leaning toward the Chiefs.