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This actually happened to a Kansas soldier ... below is his story:
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Larry and I were at this counter-rally held at the corner of the
fair grounds. We did not see this happen, but I think I know who it
happened to. This e-mail was sent to me by a friend now living in
Topeka. It is gut wrenching...
Here is a letter that a friend of mine here in Emporia is
hoping that the local paper, THE EMPORIA GAZETTE, will publish. Please
feel free to pass this on to anyone who you think might be interested.
Due to security concerns, I will not include his name.
Dear editor: (Due to the nature of my service and as a security issue
please withhold my name, if at all possible.) I am a member of the
Kansas Army National Guard. I am a former marine as well. I returned
home from 15 month's active duty in Kosovo last January. I am scheduled
to re-deploy June 4th of this year for another 18 months and I will be
serving in a war zone which I am not at liberty to disclose. I
volunteered for this duty as an opportunity to serve my country again.
On Monday, May 1st, I was at the Lyon County Fairgrounds to observe the
immigration rally. On my truck I proudly displayed both the American
flag and the flag of the United States Marines. Within minutes of
arriving at the parking lot I was approached by no less than 4 law
enforcement vehicles and several officers. I was ordered to immediately
remove the flags from my vehicle. When I attempted to ask why, an
officer replied, "Shut your mouth and go home". I was told if I didn't
comply that I would be arrested without delay for disorderly conduct.
There was no opportunity to reason with the police. I was given an
ultimatum and was forced to comply or forfeit my freedom.
I'll not go into the obvious implications that this incident raises. I
will leave it to you and to your readers to explain how it is that as a
citizen and solider I was not allowed to display the flag of the nation
that I serve and protect. Meanwhile I stood in a sea of flags from
foreign nations, some waived by hand, others attached to vehicles. I was
also profanely insulted by one of the demonstrators who himself was
flying a Mexican flag from his vehicle.
I would ask that each of you who read this ponder the inference of the
actions of the officers in question, what it says about our country at
present and the ominous implications of the future. The immigration
issue is not a joke; it is a matter of huge proportion concerning the
security of our nation and the safety of our people. I have seen a lot
in my military career and many things have moved me deeply but not until
this heartbreaking incident was I literally reduced to tears. The
disrespect and outright hatred shown to me by both the demonstrators and
by the law enforcement officers of my own hometown was heartrending.
Some might question just exactly what I am serving for. I hope you can
find the answer in your own hearts. My conviction to serve still does
not waver.
Garcia Bronco
05-11-2006, 06:44 PM
If this is true...and I doubt it is...it's terrible. Iw ould have politely told the officers to go to hell.
Spider
05-11-2006, 06:48 PM
I hope the officers read that ..........
If this is true...and I doubt it is...it's terrible. Iw ould have politely told the officers to go to hell.
From a highly reliable source, this actually did happen - and it really doesn't surprise me.
SteveTensi13
05-11-2006, 07:18 PM
As a police officer I would have refused to carry out an illegal order to quash freedom of speech and assembly. Now try burning an American flag on my beat and you'll get a boot upside your ass!!
As a police officer I would have refused to carry out an illegal order to quash freedom of speech and assembly. Now try burning an American flag on my beat and you'll get a boot upside your ass!!
It appears that our government is more concerned about offending illegal aliens than upholding the laws of the land. Illegal immigration is a joke as are the plethora of protests for "immigration rights." Why isn't it called "illegal immigration rights?" That's what it really is.
SteveTensi13
05-11-2006, 07:32 PM
It appears that our government is more concerned about offending illegal aliens than upholding the laws of the land. Illegal immigration is a joke as are the plethora of protests for "immigration rights." Why isn't it called "illegal immigration rights?" That's what it really is.
Or more precisely, "illegal aliens". It appears FOX News is the only news outlet using the proper terminology.
spdirty
05-11-2006, 10:03 PM
I just cannot believe that a marine would allow that to happen without a fight.
I just cannot believe that a marine would allow that to happen without a fight.
Wouldn't it have been ironic to safely serve in Iraq only to be assaulted on American soil by an illegal immigrant?
spdirty
05-11-2006, 10:21 PM
Wouldn't it have been ironic to safely serve in Iraq only to be assaulted on American soil by an illegal immigrant?
sickening
sickening
no kidding ... it's just another example of how twisted the immigration issue has become. We're supposed to be more concerned about offending those who are here illegally than we are about having our own rights violated and our laws disrespected (in addition to our flag and national anthem). So much for American pride.
Spider
05-12-2006, 06:57 AM
Wouldn't it have been ironic to safely serve in Iraq only to be assaulted on American soil by an illegal immigrant? what happened to my dad isnt as bad ........... Skated through Nam not eve n scratch , comes home and in 1973 , while Iwas with him , he gets in a bar room fight , gets shot at a place called the Jolly Rodger on 6 th andd federal ........ 38 hollow point in the left arm ......
defenseman
05-12-2006, 07:07 AM
I too would have politely said, "No, I refuse to remove my flag". And then, been wisked off to jail. At which point, after being bailed out, publicized the incident, ENSURED the major news networks got their hands on it, and watch what happens. The charges, persay, would have never stuck, however the police officers in question, should be horse whipped, and handed their pink slips. this is america, NOT f**king mexico or any other foreign country..dman
Garcia Bronco
05-12-2006, 07:18 AM
I too would have politely said, "No, I refuse to remove my flag". And then, been wisked off to jail. At which point, after being bailed out, publicized the incident, ENSURED the major news networks got their hands on it, and watch what happens. The charges, persay, would have never stuck, however the police officers in question, should be horse whipped, and handed their pink slips. this is america, NOT ****ing mexico or any other foreign country..dman
Exactly
Bronx33
05-12-2006, 10:11 AM
I too would have politely said, "No, I refuse to remove my flag". And then, been wisked off to jail. At which point, after being bailed out, publicized the incident, ENSURED the major news networks got their hands on it, and watch what happens. The charges, persay, would have never stuck, however the police officers in question, should be horse whipped, and handed their pink slips. this is america, NOT ****ing mexico or any other foreign country..dman
He had every right to display his flag, he should have stood his ground now it's a woulda coulda shoulda situaition.
TailgateNut
05-12-2006, 10:30 AM
I too would have politely said, "No, I refuse to remove my flag". And then, been wisked off to jail. At which point, after being bailed out, publicized the incident, ENSURED the major news networks got their hands on it, and watch what happens. The charges, persay, would have never stuck, however the police officers in question, should be horse whipped, and handed their pink slips. this is america, NOT ****ing mexico or any other foreign country..dman
You're a much nicer guy than I. I would'nt politely refuse, I would blatantly refuse. I stood up to Police who have infringred on my rights before, took them to court after being released from jail and watched the judge chastice the officers for their actions! JUST TRY TO DISHONOR MY FLAG OR PULL THE GUN FROM MY HANDS AND I PROMISE YOU WILL WISH YOU WOULD HAVE STAYED IN BED THAT MORNING!
Meck77
05-12-2006, 11:03 AM
"Shut your mouth and go home". I was told if I didn't
comply that I would be arrested without delay for disorderly conduct.
There was no opportunity to reason with the police. I was given an
ultimatum and was forced to comply or forfeit my freedom.
I don't buy this story at all. Sorry.
Spider
05-12-2006, 11:07 AM
I don't buy this story at all. Sorry.
i do , how do the police know if this guy was just there to stir the pot ? cause a riot ? ...........
Meck77
05-12-2006, 11:15 AM
It's just an old principal of mine my dad tought me. Don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see.
It just doesn't make sense that the guy asked for his name to be witheld just because he is in the National Guard.
Also I don't believe a former marine would roll over to a couple rent a cops who said "Put your flag away". Especially if the guy just got back from Kosovo.
I sure as hell wouldn't put my American flag away if a couple of cops told me to. Why would he? This story is either BS or there is more to the story that the author isn't telling us.
defenseman
05-12-2006, 11:19 AM
Tailgate nut...I'm impressed , didn't think you had it in you....It does seem "a bit" far fetched, however, we'll see if the police in Kansas counter with a statement or its allowed to blow over. If it is true, yeah, I woulda been bailed out by now and head to the press for sure....dman
Spider
05-12-2006, 11:28 AM
It's just an old principal of mine my dad tought me. Don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see.
It just doesn't make sense that the guy asked for his name to be witheld just because he is in the National Guard.
Also I don't believe a former marine would roll over to a couple rent a cops who said "Put your flag away". Especially if the guy just got back from Kosovo.
I sure as hell wouldn't put my American flag away if a couple of cops told me to. Why would he? This story is either BS or there is more to the story that the author isn't telling us.
I see , so cause he asked not for his name to be printed , then it is all fake ? doesnt matter the reason why he didnt want his name used, pariniod are people also ........ I know alot of blood and guts vets friends of my dad that dont roll over , but they dont go overboard either with local law enforcement...I doubt the Marine isinnocent as this story makes him out to be but that doesnt matter , I saw a young kids in Dinos 6/85 resteraunt a few weeks ago that was a marine , kid couldnt fight his way out of a wet paper bag , but his Dad was damn proud , as Iwould be , but I couldnt imagine that kid tussling with law enforcement ..........
defenseman
05-12-2006, 12:01 PM
A marine, is a different type of soldier. I wouldn't want to tangle with them. ..dman
* I know SEALS at 5' 7" tall and 150 pds soaking wet, and they would beat pretty much any of us into a pulp. NEVER judge a book by it's cover...
Spider
05-12-2006, 12:07 PM
A marine, is a different type of soldier. I wouldn't want to tangle with them. ..dman
* I know SEALS at 5' 7" tall and 150 pds soaking wet, and they would beat pretty much any of us into a pulp. NEVER judge a book by it's cover...
been beat to pulp a few times , doesnt matter your size , it matters on you the person ......... you can read a weak man , Iknow guys my size that are week ....... but size helps , in order to give a beating you have to be prepared to take one .......
defenseman
05-12-2006, 12:19 PM
Trust me, I saw a SEAL under complete control in the face of some ridiculous ****, and I swear, the iris's in his eyes disappeared. IF he would have gotten his hands on this guy , I think he would have ripped him in half....never seen anything like it before..dman
defenseman
05-12-2006, 12:21 PM
Seals are very smart for the most part and will find a way to tear u up if they want to. I have absolutely no doubt...dman
Bronx33
05-12-2006, 12:21 PM
Trust me, I saw a SEAL under complete control in the face of some ridiculous ****, and I swear, the iris's in his eyes disappeared. IF he would have gotten his hands on this guy , I think he would have ripped him in half....never seen anything like it before..dman
Do tell...
Spider
05-12-2006, 12:29 PM
Trust me, I saw a SEAL under complete control in the face of some ridiculous ****, and I swear, the iris's in his eyes disappeared. IF he would have gotten his hands on this guy , I think he would have ripped him in half....never seen anything like it before..dman
I saw a Nam vet nick named soda go bat shít and shoot a place up thinking he was back in nam surrounded by charlie .......then Mike ,went comando tore alot of shít up in Denver ......... only they didnt let anything get in their way .....
Spider
05-12-2006, 12:34 PM
but then Dman , I found my little brother dead of sids , watched my dad get shot , aunts , uncles waste away from Cancer , my granddad , had amassive heart attack in his living room , we all sat there and watch it , Saw David *(&%@ get shot 6 times in the chest, by his son in law larry , then David got up and ran to the garage took 6 more rounds , cops said it was nerves he was dead after the first shot ......... seen car wrecks were people have died , despite cpr , 1 thing I have learned , death is apart of life , only thing we dont know is when or where .........
Broncos Rule
05-12-2006, 02:29 PM
Back to the Marine in question - You guys need to realize just how much soldiers are programmed. Conditioned to Respect Authority and Follow Lawfull Instructions. Without question. This includes local constabulary. This dude knows just how much ****e he would be in with his CO if he gets popped for disturbing the whatever..
Now as to the cops, I absolutely belive they got ther marching orders that mornig - "don't give these people a reason to go off".. "let 'em be".. "disuade or detain counter protestors"..
I know there were 70,000 of those MF'rs in downtown Denver, and they were looking for a reason to crank it up to the next level. Police were actively working to prevent this.
Not saying it's right from a 1st ammendment position, just saying it's practical. And most times practical wins.
defenseman
05-12-2006, 02:52 PM
Back to the Marine in question - You guys need to realize just how much soldiers are programmed. Conditioned to Respect Authority and Follow Lawfull Instructions. Without question. This includes local constabulary. This dude knows just how much ****e he would be in with his CO if he gets popped for disturbing the whatever..
Now as to the cops, I absolutely belive they got ther marching orders that mornig - "don't give these people a reason to go off".. "let 'em be".. "disuade or detain counter protestors"..
I know there were 70,000 of those MF'rs in downtown Denver, and they were looking for a reason to crank it up to the next level. Police were actively working to prevent this.
Not saying it's right from a 1st ammendment position, just saying it's practical. And most times practical wins.
On the same token, he never would have been fully charged or convicted AND I have no doubt some of the press would have done something with this to counter the illegal alien issues wrt who is the citizen and who is not. Not questioning that he didn't do the right thing, he possibly did. But, there is NOTHING wrong with a member of the military who is out of uniform taking in such an event, god knows the law stood by and let a bunch of illegals shot their collective mouths off. You just CANNOT make comments or take part in events and or demonstrations that you claim to represent the service you are in OR anything designed to overthrow the government..dman
It's just an old principal of mine my dad tought me. Don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see.
It just doesn't make sense that the guy asked for his name to be witheld just because he is in the National Guard.
Also I don't believe a former marine would roll over to a couple rent a cops who said "Put your flag away". Especially if the guy just got back from Kosovo.
I sure as hell wouldn't put my American flag away if a couple of cops told me to. Why would he? This story is either BS or there is more to the story that the author isn't telling us.
I can see your point, Meck. Taking the story with a grain of salt isn't unreasonable. On the other hand, I would not be too surprised that this actually happened either. Law enforcement during the protests did more to protect those protesting FOR immigration "rights" than they did to protect the counter-protesters due to the sheer volume of people.
Spider
05-12-2006, 05:57 PM
I can see your point, Meck. Taking the story with a grain of salt isn't unreasonable. On the other hand, I would not be too surprised that this actually happened either. Law enforcement during the protests did more to protect those protesting FOR immigration "rights" than they did to protect the counter-protesters due to the sheer volume of people.
I just dont understand why they didnt protest in their own damn country ...........
Jesterhole
05-12-2006, 06:03 PM
This is fake. No way it really happened.
I just dont understand why they didnt protest in their own damn country ...........
Because they would have either been shot or arrested. But they can illegal enter the U.S. and have rights as foreigners they would have been denied in Mexico.
Spider
05-12-2006, 06:32 PM
Because they would have either been shot or arrested. But they can illegal enter the U.S. and have rights as foreigners they would have been denied in Mexico.
I dont think that would happen in Mexico .........specialy if enough stood up
Blueflame
05-12-2006, 06:37 PM
I don't buy this story at all. Sorry.
I'm with you on this, Meck... there simply are not enough verifiable facts to establish the accuracy of the account. The vague way the protagonist is portrayed (a friend of a friend of a friend... but you can take this unnamed guy's word to the bank... yeah, right) is the stuff of urban legend. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the story (or a variation thereof) is already debunked on Snopes...
I'm with you on this, Meck... there simply are not enough verifiable facts to establish the accuracy of the account. The vague way the protagonist is portrayed (a friend of a friend of a friend... but you can take this unnamed guy's word to the bank... yeah, right) is the stuff of urban legend. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the story (or a variation thereof) is already debunked on Snopes...
I have cousins who live in Lyons. One works with the county (not an officer) but could possibly "verify" or "deny" the story. He was at the rally the entire time. This has me curious ... I'll see what I can find out (no promises either).
Blueflame
05-12-2006, 07:08 PM
I have cousins who live in Lyons. One works with the county (not an officer) but could possibly "verify" or "deny" the story. He was at the rally the entire time. This has me curious ... I'll see what I can find out (no promises either).
I'd be very interested in what you can find out, RMT.