Smith decides to retire

[eddie mac]

Jaguars | Smith decided to retire
Thu, 11 May 2006 05:09:58 -0700

Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports Jacksonville Jaguars WR Jimmy Smith has decided to retire from the NFL after 12 seasons. He has reportedly told head coach Jack Del Rio of his decision. The Jaguars are expected to hold a press conference Thursday, May 11, unless Smith has a last-minute change of heart.

[Garcia Bronco]

wow...that guy was pretty good

[yhova]

Jimmy Smith was definitely a great player.

Hall of Fame ?

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1236

[Requiem]

Jimmy Smith was a great football player and had a great career. I wish him the best.

[OrangeShadow]

He was a great player and a class act

[Orange_Beard]

Wow, I thought he would play one more.

Here is a spot to look to trade Leile. Ask for a D-line man.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Wow, I thought he would play one more.

Here is a spot to look to trade Leile. Ask for a D-line man.


Lelie for Stroud? ??? Ha!

[eddie mac]

Wow, I thought he would play one more.

Here is a spot to look to trade Leile. Ask for a D-line man.

Reggie Hayward straight up.:rofl:

[eddie mac]

I'm pretty sure this comes as a shock to the Jags considering they didn't draft a wideout.

Their depth chart at the minute looks like this.

LWR 82 SMITH Jimmy SF95 | 18 Jones Matt 05/1 | 85 Hankton Cortez CF03 | 13 Stamps Fred W/SF |
RWR 19 Wilford Ernest 04/4 | 11 Williams Reggie 04/1 | 84 Owens Chad 05/5 | 89 Hill Kahlil SF05

[eddie mac]

Here's their D-Line depth chart.

LDE 97 Hayward Reggie U/Den | 75 WILEY Marcellus SF05 | 00 Wyche Jamrs 06/7* | 96 Davis Jim CF05 | 70 Curry Walter SF05
LDT 99 Stroud Marcus 01/1 | 91 Maddox Anthony 04/4 | 94 WILLIAMS Tony U/Cin | |
RDT 98 Henderson John 02/1 | 92 Meier Rob 00/7 | | |
RDE 95 SPICER Paul SF00 | 93 McCray Bobby 04/7 | 57 Hawkins Brent 06/5* | 47 Hand Omari SF04 | 78 Patterson Elton P/Cin

Meier 35 tackles, 6 sacks 1 FR wouldn't be a bad swap or even McCray 5.5 sacks 1FR.

[BroncosMT]

Wow, I thought he would play one more.

Here is a spot to look to trade Leile. Ask for a D-line man.


Exactly what I was thinking. This is a real opportunity to get rid of Lelie! Finally!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Time for Reggie Williams to step up.

[OrangeShadow]

this could get interesting with Ash

[Rascal]

Wow, I thought he would play one more.

Here is a spot to look to trade Leile. Ask for a D-line man.

Bingo, but I don't know if they want any WR's with Matt Jones, Ernest Wilford, and Reggie Williams as they view them (incorrectly or not) as their WR's of the future.

[Rascal]

Lelie for Stroud? ??? Ha!

No freaking way.

[Mediator12]

Not so sure about that. They already have Two First round WR's on the Roster in Williams and Matt Jones. Wilford has been a good #3 and would Be a good #2 as well.

No doubt the team had an inkling this might happen though. Jimmy Smith has too much class to just decide to retire without giving the team notice before the draft and offseason began.

[eddie mac]

Bingo, but I don't know if they want any WR's with Matt Jones and Reggie Williams as they view them (incorrectly or not) as their WR's of the future.

Wilford's their deep guy anyway 41-681-7 last season, avg 16.6 yds per catch. I'd reckon Ash would be No4 there and No5 if Jimmy did a u-turn.

[BroncoFanCam]

wow... good career, and a good guy.

All the best Jimmy...

[brncs_fan]

Class act who continued to perform late into his career. The league and the Jags are losing a quality guy.


Heers to retirement. :alky:

[fontaine]

I don't know what kind of person Smith was on and off the field but he was definitely one of the best WRs of this era.

Quite often overlooked when the jaguars took a nose dive but still an amazing WR.

[Requiem]

Jags are fine at wide out as long as Reggie steps up.

[Rascal]

Jimmy Smith, one of the most prolific receivers over the course of the past 10 seasons, has abruptly decided to retire from professional football.

FOXSports.com has learned that Smith, who was selected to the Pro Bowl for five consecutive seasons from 1997-2001, has informed Jacksonville Jaguars' head coach Jack Del Rio of his intention to call it quits after 12 seasons.

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With wording like this it makes me wonder if it actually wasn't planned. Either way Lelie's agent needs to get on the phone.

[Orange_Beard]

Bingo, but I don't know if they want any WR's with Matt Jones, Ernest Wilford, and Reggie Williams as they view them (incorrectly or not) as their WR's of the future.


Shoot, Ash would fit right into this crew.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Jags are fine at wide out as long as Reggie steps up.

Which is a huge question mark. He's underperformed.

[Hotrod]

Lelie for Stroud? ??? Ha!

Sold Ha!

[Man-Goblin]

I lived in Jacksonville the last 3 years, and this really comes as no shock. Despite the owner's proclamation that he wanted Smith back, there was a pretty good chance he would have been let go during camp anyway. There is also the possiblity that he was going to fail another drug test (this would have been the year long suspension), and he just decided to call it quits.

The Jaguars are going to face a similartly tough decision later this Summer when it comes time to cut Fred Taylor, who was CLEARLY outperformed by Greg Jones last year. I don't think they'll do it in fear of alienating their small die hard fan base, who are similar to Rockies fans who dwell on the Blake Street Bomber days.

But they are trying to develop their young receivers. At this point, though, they are really not that good. Matt Jones is going to be a good player, as he made some spectacular catches last year. He will be more consistent once he learns the position. Reggie Williams has HUGE bust written all over him, and Wilford is probably their most consistent performer now that Smith is gone. Wilford provides a big target for Leftwich, who's accuracy is well, um, questionable sometimes.

As for them trading a D-lineman for Lelie? Forget about it. Del Rio still gripes about a lack of push from the outside, and I just could never see him trading D for O.

[ludo21]

wow, that was pretty good.

Jimmy was a stud, sad to see a great WR leave.

[DarkHorse30]

Jags are fine at wide out as long as Reggie steps up.

That's a pretty big step......into the #1 for a guy that has less-than-Lelie numbers at 1 TD in 2 years and only half a dozen starts last year.

Smith was a pretty important part of the Jags offense, with 15 20+ yard catches and 2 40+, to go with 7 TDs, he was more of a deep threat than Wilford.

Bottom line to me is that the Jags WRs don't have a WR that has caught more than 41 balls (per year)....and all of them are in the 2nd or 3rd year.

If Lelie ACTUALLY thinks he's a #1....this is one of the only teams where he'd have an option to prove it.

[Broncoman13]

Not so sure about that. They already have Two First round WR's on the Roster in Williams and Matt Jones. Wilford has been a good #3 and would Be a good #2 as well.

No doubt the team had an inkling this might happen though. Jimmy Smith has too much class to just decide to retire without giving the team notice before the draft and offseason began.


Not to mention their first round selection this year. Marcedes Lewis will also help take pressure away from the WR's. Their top 3 will probably look like this now: Wilford the 1, Matt Jones the 2, and Reggie Williams the 3. They really need Reggie to step up last year, but Wilford was the one that stepped up. He pushed Williams to the #3 and by the end of the year he was the #4! Really, when you look at the Jags corps now, they look to have 3 #2 receivers. They don't have a true #1 and Wilford is probably the closest to fitting that mold right now.

[watermock]

Reggie Williams has HUGE bust written all over him,

I'm getting desperate to get rid of this whiner...maybe we just swap recievers. He's under rookie contract and Jacksonville eats the rest of his signing bonus. Just a thought. 9th pick overall in 2004. Let's try to pry this kid away. He's only going into his 3rd year.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493119

[Man-Goblin]

I'm getting desperate to get rid of this whiner...maybe we just swap recievers. He's under rookie contract and Jacksonville eats the rest of his signing bonus. Just a thought. 9th pick overall in 2004. Let's try to pry this kid away. He's only going into his 3rd year.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493119

Yeah, I had that in the back of my mind, and we all know the Broncos are willing to take a shot at guys with talent. And Reggie Williams has a TON of talent and athletic ability. Big guy too...

...But he just doesn't get it. He had a weekly radio spot down there, and when he actually showed up (those hosts were always pissed off because he would blow them off) the guy showed he is just dumber than a bag of rocks.

He has so much dog in him it's scary. He used to talk about his touchdown celebrations and how much he was looking forward to using them. Problem is the guy has like one touchdown in two years. So he said he's just going to have to start using them on 1st down catches. I guess he thought it was funny, and even though there weren't many of those either, he did it!

Now, I'm not saying you have to be in mensa to be a wide out in the NFL, but this guy underacheives, and even worse, doesn't seem to care.

Major project, and I don't see him ever turning it around.

[JCMElway]

Yeah, they've got Williams, Jones, and Wilford in the fold there. I doubt Ash would interest them at all.

[MechanicalBull]

Smith was a real good WR, I've always liked him cause he was like our Smith he would just go out there and play and not have to do a stupid celebration everytime he scores. Guys like him and Rod are great to have on your team.

I don't think the Jags have any interest at all for Lelie and most of all I don't see many teams have serious interest for having him as a 1 or 1A receiver. I think he is better off biting the bullet and keep his mouth quiet for a year and work his butt off. Right now he has very little trade value so he is going to have to work hard and put up good #s if he wants the big bucks next year.

[12th man]

Smith was a real good WR, I've always liked him cause he was like our Smith he would just go out there and play and not have to do a stupid celebration everytime he scores. Guys like him and Rod are great to have on your team.

I don't think the Jags have any interest at all for Lelie and most of all I don't see many teams have serious interest for having him as a 1 or 1A receiver. I think he is better off biting the bullet and keep his mouth quiet for a year and work his butt off. Right now he has very little trade value so he is going to have to work hard and put up good #s if he wants the big bucks next year.
Exactly. I agee with everything you said. Smith and Smith are great players to have on your team.

as for Lelie, your right, no one wants him. Lelie thinks he is a number one wr, but, if he is as good as Lelie says he is, teams would want him, and would trade with us for good players or picks. As it stands right now, teams are pondering fourh round picks for him. Lelie needs to get a clue. Like you said, he has very little trade value, and he has to put up good numbers and work hard if he wants to get the big bucks. Too bad he is threatining to hold out. he's only huring himself. point one, he will be out of football for a season, wich is bad enough, and it shows teams that you are a cry baby and a corward. Frankly I don't care what happens to him. He can sit out or be traded, I don't care.

[watermock]

It's very common for players to demand more money...Portis, Walker, T.O., but I can't remember the last time that anyone "demanded" to be a #1 reciever. I've seen QB's that wanted to go somewhere to start often, but they are usually established players in their later years.

Put this in the time capsule:

In a year or three, when Jay is ready to take over and Jake still has gas in the tank, he's not going to be whining. I just don't see it from him, he's got too much Tillman in him. He will go to Shanahan and BEHIND DOORS ask for a trade or release.

For the life of me I don't know why athletes go in front of the camera to become pariahs. That's what you have a freakin' agent for. Lelie, changing agents isn't going to change other teams perceptions about you. Rosenhous is as good as Jerry Maguire. Hell, your not even asking for a pay increase and you still can't get a sniff. Get a clue.

[-Slap-]

Not bad for a bust first rounder who didn't score his first NFL touchdown until four seasons after he was drafted.

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1992 dal | 7 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1994 phi | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1995 jax | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 22 288 13.1 3 |
| 1996 jax | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 83 1244 15.0 7 |
| 1997 jax | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 82 1324 16.1 4 |
| 1998 jax | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 78 1182 15.2 8 |
| 1999 jax | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 116 1636 14.1 6 |
| 2000 jax | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 91 1213 13.3 8 |
| 2001 jax | 16 | 1 -3 -3.0 0 | 112 1373 12.3 8 |
| 2002 jax | 16 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 80 1027 12.8 7 |
| 2003 jax | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 54 805 14.9 4 |
| 2004 jax | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 74 1172 15.8 6 |
| 2005 jax | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 70 1023 14.6 6 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 179 | 2 -1 -0.5 0 | 862 12287 14.3 67 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Jimmy Smith was a second round selection. I don't know what happened in Dallas, but he may have been buried on the depth chart.

[-Slap-]

Jimmy Smith was a second round selection. I don't know what happened in Dallas, but he may have been buried on the depth chart.
He kept breaking his foot until Jimmy Johnson quit on him.

[Man-Goblin]

He kept breaking his foot until Jimmy Johnson quit on him.

Too bad. He would have fit in real well at the 'White House'.

[WABronco]

Yeah, I had that in the back of my mind, and we all know the Broncos are willing to take a shot at guys with talent. And Reggie Williams has a TON of talent and athletic ability. Big guy too...

...But he just doesn't get it. He had a weekly radio spot down there, and when he actually showed up (those hosts were always pissed off because he would blow them off) the guy showed he is just dumber than a bag of rocks.

He has so much dog in him it's scary. He used to talk about his touchdown celebrations and how much he was looking forward to using them. Problem is the guy has like one touchdown in two years. So he said he's just going to have to start using them on 1st down catches. I guess he thought it was funny, and even though there weren't many of those either, he did it!

Now, I'm not saying you have to be in mensa to be a wide out in the NFL, but this guy underacheives, and even worse, doesn't seem to care.

Major project, and I don't see him ever turning it around.

Oh man, I would JUMP at Lelie for Williams. Williams was a BEAST at UW. I'd rather take the chance on Williams' talent than Lelie holding out.

It's too bad he's chosen to suck ass like he is now though...what a bummer.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Jimmy Smith retiring will help Rod Smith's case for the HOF in the long run.

Jimmy Smith has 862-12287-67 TDs

Rod has 797-10877-65 TDs

By the time Rod is done playing he should pass Jimmy Smith in all those categories.

I am surprised Jimmy Smith is hanging them up, he had a good year last year.

[Kaylore]

Well that's a loss for the Jags. He's earned the right go home, though. The Young receivers are going to have to step things up.

[broncofan]

Always enjoyed watching Jimmy Smith play. All the best to him. Sucks for such a young team to lose such a strong leader. Maybe he'll remain with the team in some capacity.

[Killericon]

Jesus christ....you gave me a ****ing heart attack...I thought it was Rod Smith.

[12th man]

Jesus christ....you gave me a ****ing heart attack...I thought it was Rod Smith.
yeah, no sh1t. when I sighned on this was the first thing I saw, and I got nervous.

[Man-Goblin]

Oh man, I would JUMP at Lelie for Williams. Williams was a BEAST at UW. I'd rather take the chance on Williams' talent than Lelie holding out.

It's too bad he's chosen to suck ass like he is now though...what a bummer.

There's a possibility the Jags would jump on that deal. People are really, REALLY down on Reggie Williams in that town. In fact, he got caught a few months ago with a doobie in his car ashtray and the religious ranks went after the Jags.

I just don't think the kid has the noggin or determination to be a good player. Time will tell.

[Kaylore]

yeah, no sh1t. when I sighned on this was the first thing I saw, and I got nervous.
You should know better. This last name gag followed by some "shocking news" is too common and frankly lost it's cuteness factor. "Titans want Plummer." OMG! HE r teh tR@dX0r!1! Wait, it's Ahmed Plummer? Ho ho ho! ::) Gets better every time. When someone posts some legit bronco news on here, they never just say the last name.

[12th man]

You should know better. This last name gag followed by some "shocking news" is too common and frankly lost it's cuteness factor. "Titans want Plummer." OMG! HE r teh tR@dX0r!1! Wait, it's Ahmed Plummer? Ho ho ho! ::) Gets better every time. When someone posts some legit bronco news on here, they never just say the last name.
actually when I saw the Plummer thread, I just rolled my eyes, I knew better then. I should have known better now. Come to think of it, Rod could be here a few more years, if not longer. He said he dosn't care about being the number one guy. He just want to be on the 53 man roster, cause that means you still have a job. That means Rod could be the 2wr, then 3,4,5, just keep movin on down the line. . Then after he's done playing for us, he can be our wr coach. I swear, I hope Rod never ever leaves. sh1t, if he can't play wr anymore, he can gain some weight and be a TE...well maybe not, but I want Rod on the field for as long as possible.

[Rascal]

I honestly wouldn't be suprised if he tested positive for drugs again, this time it would be a year suspension, so he just said..."**** it" and decided to retire. With the language of the reports coming out that it was an abrupt decision it is a possibility. I guess it's also a possibility that they were doing to demote him to #2 or even #3 and he didn't want to do that.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I honestly wouldn't be suprised if he tested positive for drugs again, this time it would be a year suspension, so he just said..."**** it" and decided to retire. With the language of the reports coming out that it was an abrupt decision it is a possibility. I guess it's also a possibility that they were doing to demote him to #2 or even #3 and he didn't want to do that.

I just posted that on another board. I agree 100% about the possible positive drug test.

[minibronco]

He was on my last fantasy team. did pretty well.

[Rascal]

Jimmy Smith
Posted by Doug on Friday, May 12, 2006
Since Jimmy Smith decided to retire yesterday, let’s take a day (and a weekend) off from the discussion of the Romer paper and spend it putting Smith’s career stats in perspective.

We’ve already had a couple of recent posts on ranking wide receivers. In this system, which is based on percentage of team receiving yards, Smith ranked behind only Michael Irvin among all receivers whose careers started after 1977. I don’t think anyone believes Smith has had a better career than, say, Jerry Rice. But still, it’s notable that Smith has been able to account for an extremely high percentage of his teams’ passing production over the years. In this one, Smith ranks 23rd among all receivers whose careers started in 1970 or later. That system probably punishes him unfairly for his zero-catch-zero-yard seasons in Dallas at the beginning of his career.

Let’s just focus on putting Smith’s career numbers in perspective with his contemporaries. I’ll define someone to be a contemporary of Smith if his debut year was within four years of Smith’s 1992 debut. So all receivers who debuted between 1988 and 1996 will be included. That gets us from Tim Brown to Terrell Owens, but doesn’t inlcude geezers like Rice or whippersnappers like Randy Moss. Here are the basic stats, sorted by receiving yards:


Player REC YD TD
========================================
Tim Brown 1094 14934 100
*Marvin Harrison 927 12331 110
Jimmy Smith 862 12287 67
*Isaac Bruce 813 12278 77
Michael Irvin 750 11904 65
*Rod Smith 797 10877 65
*Keenan McCardell 825 10680 62
*Terrell Owens 716 10535 101
Andre Rison 743 10205 84
*Keyshawn Johnson 744 9756 60
Rob Moore 628 9368 49
Herman Moore 670 9174 62
Anthony Miller 595 9148 63
*Eric Moulds 675 9091 48
Tony Martin 593 9065 56
*Ricky Proehl 666 8848 54
Terance Mathis 689 8809 63
*Johnnie Morton 624 8719 43
*Muhsin Muhammad 642 8501 48
*Joey Galloway 550 8501 64
Curtis Conway 594 8230 52
Jeff Graham 542 8172 30
Sterling Sharpe 595 8134 65
*Joe Horn 539 7822 53
*Amani Toomer 529 7797 44
*Terry Glenn 523 7776 38

It’s instructive to compare Jimmy Smith’s career with Tim Brown’s. Brown has 2700 yards on Smith, but Brown has a lot of junk yards and Smith has almost none. Tim Brown had seasons of 265, 554, 693, 567, and 200 yards. That’s about 2200 yards that his teams likely could have gotten out of any old waiver wire receiver.

One of my favorite arbitrary-but-interesting stats is Yards Over 1000. We compute it simply by starting to count the yards only after they reach the 1000 mark. So Jimmy Smith, who had 1023 yards last season, gets credit for 23 yards. In 2003 Smith had 805 yards, so he gets credit for zero. The idea is that you get credit only for doing something above and beyond the ordinary. Among the same group of receivers, here are the leaders in Yards Over 1000:


Player YdOv1000
============================
*Marvin Harrison 2853
Michael Irvin 2330
*Isaac Bruce 2228
Jimmy Smith 2194
Tim Brown 1992
*Rod Smith 1643
*Terrell Owens 1562
Herman Moore 1448
Sterling Sharpe 1382
*Joe Horn 1316
*Eric Moulds 1024
*Muhsin Muhammad 841
Jake Reed 800
*Keenan McCardell 784
Andre Rison 749
Antonio Freeman 741
*Amani Toomer 731
Yancey Thigpen 705
Anthony Miller 660
*Keyshawn Johnson 655
Tony Martin 613
Rob Moore 610
Carl Pickens 564
Terance Mathis 533
Brett Perriman 509
Robert Brooks 507
Derrick Alexander 499
*Joey Galloway 422
*Terry Glenn 415

I don’t think Rod Smith is going to catch him on this list. Owens might, but it’s not a given. If you look at Yards Over 1200, Smith is fourth behind the same three guys. If you prefer Yards Over 800, he’s second behind only Harrison.

All things — well, all numbers — considered, I think the only guys on this list that can make a case as being better than Jimmy Smith are:




Marvin Harrison - almost certainly will end up being the top guy in this cohort.


Tim Brown - even throwing away his junk yards, Brown is close to Smith yardagewise. And he’s got a big touchdown advantage, if you’re into that kind of thing.


Michael Irvin - very similar profile to Smith: huge piece of a small receiving pie, and relatively low touchdown totals. Irvin played on better teams, which some people would use as evidence in favor of Irvin and others would use as evidence in favor of Smith.


Terrell Owens - Smith currently has better looking overall career numbers. But that could change in a hurry.


Isaac Bruce - three years younger than Smith. Right now I’d give Smith the nod over Bruce based on the systems they played in. But a couple more good seasons by Bruce could change that.


Rod Smith - statistically, Jimmy looks slightly but clearly better. To flip that, Rod would need a couple of seasons better than I expect him to have. But it’s close enough that someone more knowledgeable than I might be able to make a case for him based on blocking and/or other things.



I don’t think any of the other active receivers — Horn, Moulds, Muhammad, McCardell, Keyshawn, Galloway — can reach Smith. So out of this nine-year slice of history, Smith’s numbers will end up somewhere between the 2nd-best and the 7th-best. I have to admit that Smith’s name doesn’t immediately leap to my mind when I think of the great receivers of the era, but he put together a very impressive career.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I'm pretty sure this comes as a shock to the Jags considering they didn't draft a wideout.



Yeah he kind ****ed em didn't he?

I've seen a lot of this guy over the last two years.

The Jags are number 2 here to the Gators however.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Always enjoyed watching Jimmy Smith play. All the best to him. Sucks for such a young team to lose such a strong leader. Maybe he'll remain with the team in some capacity.


Doubt it. He probabally just wanted to get out of this ****hole of a city. :D