AFC Offseason Rankings

[DBruleU]

Sorry if this was posted already.

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When the Super Bowl wrapped and Ben Roethlisberger had become the youngest starting quarterback in league history to win a coveted ring, it took less than an hour for someone to ask the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback to contemplate an encore performance.

"Are you kidding?" said Roethlisberger shaking his head. "I'm just going to enjoy the first one before I think about the next one."

While the 2006 season was understandably the furthest thing from Roethlisberger's mind on that February night, Pittsburgh's quest for a Super Bowl sequel is drawing closer.

With training camp just over two months away, the Steelers have done little more than plug holes this offseason. But with many of the AFC's expected elite coping with defections (Edgerrin James, Mike Anderson and Drew Brees) or injuries (Carson Palmer and Daunte Culpepper), the Steelers have done just enough to stay in the conference's pole position for '06.

Now that the dust has settled on the draft and free agency, here is how the AFC stacks up in the offseason rankings.

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Pittsburgh 1. Pittsburgh Steelers – Health is paramount on the offensive line. The Steelers did an adequate job replacing free-agent losses in the draft, and they will have better depth this season. Heath Miller and Willie Parker will make strides, and Ben Roethlisberger should be an MVP front-runner next season.

Denver 2. Denver Broncos – Mike Anderson is a significant loss, but Jake Plummer can take another step forward this season with Javon Walker. Ron Dayne's play is going to be pivotal, and the defense needs pass rushers who can finish the job in 2006. The collection of cornerbacks has the potential to be the NFL's best this season.

Cincinnati 3. Cincinnati Bengals – Dexter Jackson and Sam Adams are solid additions on defense, but the draft class doesn't look like it will have the immediate impact of last year's crop. David Pollack and Odell Thurman should continue to improve. Carson Palmer is the great unknown, but if he returns at full strength, this is a team worthy of a Super Bowl.

Indianapolis 4. Indianapolis Colts – The loss of Larry Tripplett will sting, but the departure of Edgerrin James is monumental. Peyton Manning can count on consistently facing eight men in coverage. The Colts appear to have another draft class (beyond Joseph Addai) that will take a few seasons before making a significant impact.

San Diego 5. San Diego Chargers – The development of Shawne Merriman and Luis Castillo and the signing of Marlon McCree will make the defense better from Day 1. Antonio Cromartie and Marcus McNeill provide quality depth. The offense is still loaded, but Philip Rivers will be the key to success. If he falters, the Chargers will struggle to make the playoffs.

New England 6. New England Patriots – Laurence Maroney and Chad Jackson were great pieces for the future, but the draft did little to replenish what the Patriots need right now. The departures of Willie McGinest and defensive coordinator Eric Mangini will hurt a defense that has become a shadow of the Super Bowl units.

Jacksonville 7. Jacksonville Jaguars – Mike Williams and Stockar McDougle could improve the offensive line … or they could continue to be overweight disappointments. Brian Williams and Nick Greisen should be solid defensive additions, but the draft was yet another head-scratcher. The Jaguars' advancement to a Super Bowl is going to depend on the health of Byron Leftwich and Fred Taylor and the emergence of either Reggie Williams or Matt Jones.

Miami 8. Miami Dolphins – The Dolphins might be a trendy dark horse pick for Super Bowl XLI, but there are way too many questions hanging over this team. Daunte Culpepper's health is the No. 1 issue, and the secondary is an unknown with the additions of Will Allen, Renaldo Hill and Jason Allen. The loss of Ricky Williams is going to put a lot of pressure on Ronnie Brown to stay healthy and carry a full load.

Kansas City 9. Kansas City Chiefs – Beyond the addition of Tamba Hali, the Chiefs are largely the same team from 2005. Under Herm Edwards, Larry Johnson could rush for 2,000 yards, but the defense remains the big issue. Unless Kansas City can generate some kind of consistent pass rush, it's going to be another season of shootouts and more hopes for a full season of good health on the offensive line.

Cleveland 10. Cleveland Browns – The Browns are amassing plenty of talent, but there is lots of uncertainty. Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow Jr. are coming off significant injuries, and Charlie Frye is still getting adjusted. The offense should be better with the additions of LeCharles Bentley, Kevin Shaffer and Joe Jurevicius. The defense also got a shot in the arm with veterans Willie McGinest and Ted Washington and rookies Kamerion Wimbley and D'Qwell Jackson.

Baltimore 11. Baltimore Ravens – An active offseason produced some quality veteran talent in Mike Anderson, Trevor Pryce and Corey Ivy. Adding Haloti Ngata in the draft should help, too, but it remains to be seen how all the turnover will affect the defense's chemistry. Also, the quarterback issue still hasn't been resolved. If Steve McNair doesn't land in Baltimore, it's another season of praying that Kyle Boller develops.

Oakland 12. Oakland Raiders – The offense is still loaded, but will Aaron Brooks be any better than Kerry Collins? History suggests he can't. Lance Johnstone will be a good complement to Derrick Burgess, and the secondary is young and talented with another first-round addition in Michael Huff. But the linebackers are still a big concern. Adding Darnell Bing and Thomas Howard won't shore up the unit overnight.

Houston 13. Houston Texans – The Texans should be able to put together a respectable rebound season, a la Cleveland in 2005. They added a nice group of solid veterans in free agency with Anthony Weaver, Eric Moulds, N.D. Kalu and Sam Cowart. The draft should have some instant impact, too, with Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans, Charles Spencer and Eric Winston all vying for starting spots. Plus, Gary Kubiak should be able to breathe some life into the offense immediately.

N.Y. Jets 14. New York Jets – John Abraham and Kevin Mawae are significant losses, while free agency only brought solid additions in Andre Dyson and Kimo von Oelhoffen. Unless Chad Pennington and Curtis Martin have huge bounce-back seasons, it's going to be another long year for the Jets. For Eric Mangini, this should be a rebuilding year.

Buffalo 15. Buffalo Bills – Larry Tripplett was a good addition in an offseason of pulling players off of the scrap heap. Forget the reaching in the draft for players like Donte Whitner and John McCargo. The Bills took plenty of gambles in free agency by signing Aaron Gibson, Peerless Price, Andre Davis and Craig Nall.

Tennessee 16. Tennessee Titans – The Titans didn't make a lot of moves in free agency, but they got some quality veterans with the signings of Kevin Mawae, David Givens, Chris Hope and David Thornton. LenDale White could provide some instant impact from the draft, too. But the second half of the 2006 season should eventually be about Vince Young, unless Steve McNair returns and Young holds a clipboard all season.

[BroncoBuff]

I agree with every word of their Broncos synopsis. How refreshing for a national media publication.

KC should be a little higher, though ...

[elsid13]

I agree with every word of their Broncos synopsis. How refreshing for a national media publication.

KC should be a little higher, though ...


Please don't feed the mullets. I expect them to swarm and complain any second now.

[Sir Mawn]

I'm not sure the loss of James will be that "monumental". I hate Manning as much as the next guy, but I firmly believe Munro and Rhodes can handle the load in that offense.

[Old Dude]

Looks about right to me, though I'd move Indy and New England both up one notch.

[Tha rock]

SD should be at 13 or later they have a rook basiclly for a qb

[Raider Bill]

Sandy Eggo is way too high. For the Raiders, fair 'nuff. I could see them overtaking the 2 teams in front of them but they belong somewhere in the middle third IMO.

New England should be higher.


I don't like Miami that much they're too high also.

[Atlas]

I agree with every word of their Broncos synopsis. How refreshing for a national media publication.

KC should be a little higher, though ...

NE should be a little higher too.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Suprised atlas did neg rep you just for saying that KC needed to be higher.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Cincinatti is WAY WAY WAY too high. Their defense still sucks and Palmer is going to be a huge question mark.

No way the Chargers should be ranked ahead of KC.

[SoCalBronco]

Too many unanswered questions for us to still be No. 2, thats too high

Alot of teams ranked too low including NE, Balt, KC, Jax, Hou.

Cant put SD above NE with the question mark that is Philip Rivers.

[Atlas]

Suprised atlas did neg rep you just for saying that KC needed to be higher.

I thought about it. "F" those Backward ass, hillbilly, redneck, trailor park, mullet wearing assholes from Kansas City.

[Atlas]

Too many unanswered questions for us to still be No. 2, thats too high

Alot of teams ranked too low including NE, Balt, KC, Jax, Hou.

Cant put SD above NE with the question mark that is Philip Rivers.

I don't think Jax will ever be a top 10 team until they get a franchise type QB.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I don't think Jax will ever be a top 10 team until they get a franchise type QB.

Byron Leftwich? He's only gotten better each year.

[spdirty]

I don't think Indy's running game will miss a beat next year. If defenses drop 8 in coverage, it will be Addai's/Rhodes/Munroes dream. Their offense will still be potent as hell. And the Chieves shouldve been 15, right above the Raiders.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And the Chieves shouldve been 15, right above the Raiders.

Why?

[Killericon]

The Titans didn't make a lot of moves in free agency, but they got some quality veterans with the signings of Kevin Mawae, David Givens, Chris Hope and David Thornton.

Ummm.....self contradicting statement, much?

[youcandoit1687]

addai will fill in adequately enuf in the run game. i say one of biggest impact rookies but im a homer there. not many mixups, u really see how teams who have good offseasons have good production. hope it stays that way with us moving ahead of the steelers! bob, whats up with your avatar?

[youcandoit1687]

think hou and nyj should be higher, maybe above baltimore and oakland. lotta good teams tho really even tho 3 of the first 4 were AFC in the draft. i think its pretty clear the AFC dominance

[watermock]

Denver should of been ranked at least three spots higher.

[brncs_fan]

Move NE up one, drop SD down 4 and switch KC and Miami and the list looks good to me (although I admit that might be a little high for the Broincos)

[Rausch]

After both teams lost their QB's the Bengals and Chargers being that high is just ****ing retarded.

Indi has done NOTHING in the playoffs but choke each and every year. They've almost managed to replace KC as the biggest playoff limp-diggs.

Miami? MIAMI? Are you ****ing kidding me?


As far as KC, I'd say that's about right. 8 or 9 seems appropriate for this time of year...

[BroncoMan4ever]

Looks about right to me, though I'd move Indy and New England both up one notch.

Move Indy up 1, but New England is ranked too high right now. They lost a lot of key players and i don't care how deep u say u r. U can't replace all those players at the same time. I mean 1 or 2 replacements could b handled, but they r gonna need to rebuilf this year, Because Maroney and Jackson are not going to save the day for them. I say the AFC East is Miami's to lose.

[watermock]

I had Denver ranked higher last year.

This year, they have to get thru an easier schedule, but a first place one.

I would rank them around 5. JMO.

These clowns don't have a clue. They were all laughing at us this time last year and your going to buy into that?

[Merlin]

Too many people drinking NE Kool-Aid. They lost too many players and their linemen are old. They should win their division, but that is just a reflection of how poor it is. SD is a very good team, but they have a freaking rookie QB that has yet to prove himself. Cinci would be a good place... if they had a QB. KC is about right. Despite what the KC fans say, their coaching will be strongly affected in offense. Herm has proven to be just mediocre, and injuries because of age will continue to hamper their OL.

PS Bob, yes Herm won 2 playoff games, but your previous coach won the SB, and he never did anything in the playoffs with KC either. So citing that fact is meaningless.

[Kaylore]

I agree with every word of their Broncos synopsis. How refreshing for a national media publication. I guess when you make the AFC championship game, it's hard to look past you. I still think it's funny that people question our run game every year. "Will Denver be able to run the ball without Mike Anderson?" How many times have we been asked that question except the player's name changes?

KC is right. Chargers are WAY too high. With Rivers? Their entire team keeps talking about how he'll really need to step up and that they'll all need to help take care of him.

Dolphins looked good toward the end of last season, but I think this could be the year that father times finally starts to wear on them.

Pats and Colts could go either way. Last year they were running on fumes a lot of the time. I think they may have settled out of "NFL Super Power" with the loss of coaches, players and even mystique.

The Browns at ten? Above twenty?!?

The Ravens will be a pain if they get McNair, and right now it looks like they will.

The Titans are better than they look.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Despite what the KC fans say, their coaching will be strongly affected in offense.

First of all, it's "effected."

Second of all, no, it won't. Herm's not going to touch the offense. With a veteran QB that knows it inside and out and an offensive coordinator that's been on the staff for years, there will be almost NO CHANGE. The only thing you'll see is some young wide receiver talent bursting on the scene and a little more emphasis on the running game.

[Kaylore]

First of all, it's "effected."

Second of all, no, it won't. Herm's not going to touch the offense. With a veteran QB that knows it inside and out and an offensive coordinator that's been on the staff for years, there will be almost NO CHANGE. The only thing you'll see is some young wide receiver talent bursting on the scene and a little more emphasis on the running game.
Bob, it doesn't work that way. Is he going to let Green run practices? What about game planning? Do they just call DC and ask Al Saunders to "help them out?" There's more to running an offense than a playbook, Bob.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob, it doesn't work that way. Is he going to let Green run practices? What about game planning? Do they just call DC and ask Al Saunders to "help them out?" There's more to running an offense than a playbook, Bob.

Both Solari and Green have said we won't notice a difference. I believe them.

I guess there WILL be a difference in that Larry Johnson will be the feature back for ALL SIXTEEN GAMES this year. ;D

[watermock]

an offensive coordinator that's been on the staff for years,

Are you talking about Dick4Meal or Al Saunders Boob?

Updated: Jan. 19, 2006, 1:31 PM ET
Redskins hire Saunders as offensive coordinatorBy John Clayton
ESPN.com


Redskins coach Joe Gibbs upgraded his offense Thursday by adding one of the brightest offensive minds to his sidelines.

Gibbs hired Chiefs offensive coordinator Al Saunders as assistant head coach and offensive coordinator

[watermock]

Both Solari and Green have said we won't notice a difference. I believe them.


Of course not bob...Green runs the offense now as a coach, or should. The offensive coaching staff is gone. The coach is retired and the OC went to Washington. Your left with a coach that was FIRED.

So is Oakland, but that was ages ago.

Marty is in SD with Rivers.

This is going to be a cakewalk.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The offensive coaching staff is gone.

ROFL!

We retained our wide receivers, running backs and quarterbacks coaches. And the OC was the O-line coach last year. Yeah, our offensive coaching staff is GONE!!!!!!!

[Kaylore]

Both Solari and Green have said we won't notice a difference. I believe them.



"La, la, la. I'm not listening."

[watermock]

Saunders was your OC, if you lost your OL coach to boot along with your head coach all your doing is damage management. Not only that, your DC was fired, and so was Oakland's Art Shell. So was Shottie! This is funny.

Wow. you kept alot of assistants there buddy. Good job. So Ty Law is still signing right?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Saunders was your OC, if you lost your OL coach to boot along with your head coach all your doing is damage management.


Whatever. We have the same players have been tearing up this league for five seasons now. I'm sure we're going to become mediocre overnight.

[Rascal]

Pittsburgh-still the champs
Indianapolis-best team probably in the regular season if that counts for anything
Denver-several question marks to answer
New England-I'd like to bump them down but everybody below them has too may questions like:
Miami - Culpepper's knee? I think they were a good QB away from being a playoff team last year. If Culpepper can come back healthy they will get this ranking...if not then bump them down below Baltimore.
Cincinnati-Palmer?
Jacksonville-WR's, RB, and a franchise QB?
Kansas City-Age and Defense
Baltimore - Boller. Bump up if they get McNair
San Diego -Rivers
Cleveland -Gaining steam
Houston-Kubiak will have them improved over last year
Oakland-Brooks will make or break their season
Titans-they are getting some pieces in place but are very young
N.Y. Jets-Rebuilding time
Buffalo-Ditto

[WoodMan]

Whatever. We have the same players have been tearing up this league for five seasons now. I'm sure we're going to become mediocre overnight.
Funny how age does that to you, isn't it?:wave:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Funny how age does that to you, isn't it?:wave:

What you don't realize is we have a bunch of Rod Smith's on offense. They may be old, but their production isn't going to dramatically fall off because of it.

[Crushaholic]

What you don't realize is we have a bunch of Rod Smith's on offense. They may be old, but their production isn't going to dramatically fall off because of it.

Can Roaf stay healthy, though? We saw the hilarious results of trying to fit Jordan Black in his spot...ROFL!

[Rock Chalk]

Too many people drinking NE Kool-Aid. They lost too many players and their linemen are old. They should win their division, but that is just a reflection of how poor it is. SD is a very good team, but they have a freaking rookie QB that has yet to prove himself. Cinci would be a good place... if they had a QB. KC is about right. Despite what the KC fans say, their coaching will be strongly affected in offense. Herm has proven to be just mediocre, and injuries because of age will continue to hamper their OL.

PS Bob, yes Herm won 2 playoff games, but your previous coach won the SB, and he never did anything in the playoffs with KC either. So citing that fact is meaningless.
Miami is winning the East.

[defenseman]

Denvers to high, Indy too low, NE to low, SD with rivers appears too high..dman

[v2micca]

First of all, it's "effected."


No, its not. If you can actually find a dictionary down there, you might want to try cracking its spine.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No, its not. If you can actually find a dictionary down there, you might want to try cracking its spine.

No, it's "effected." He's saying the new coaching staff is going to have an "effect" on the offense.

[Willynowei]

As much as I point out the weaknesses on our D-line and just how crucial that piece is to the success of any team, I don't feel it's a very good idea to put Denver out of the top 3.

I don't know how Indy will do next year, but considering the winning percentage i heard of when they were without Edge (injury) in their past, it could be pretty bad.

[Steve Sewell]

Sorry if this was posted already.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtdHCNQbJRTREl.eEfrHhy9DubYF?slug=cr-afcrankings051006&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

When the Super Bowl wrapped and Ben Roethlisberger had become the youngest starting quarterback in league history to win a coveted ring, it took less than an hour for someone to ask the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback to contemplate an encore performance.

"Are you kidding?" said Roethlisberger shaking his head. "I'm just going to enjoy the first one before I think about the next one."

While the 2006 season was understandably the furthest thing from Roethlisberger's mind on that February night, Pittsburgh's quest for a Super Bowl sequel is drawing closer.

With training camp just over two months away, the Steelers have done little more than plug holes this offseason. But with many of the AFC's expected elite coping with defections (Edgerrin James, Mike Anderson and Drew Brees) or injuries (Carson Palmer and Daunte Culpepper), the Steelers have done just enough to stay in the conference's pole position for '06.

Now that the dust has settled on the draft and free agency, here is how the AFC stacks up in the offseason rankings.

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Pittsburgh 1. Pittsburgh Steelers – Health is paramount on the offensive line. The Steelers did an adequate job replacing free-agent losses in the draft, and they will have better depth this season. Heath Miller and Willie Parker will make strides, and Ben Roethlisberger should be an MVP front-runner next season.

Denver 2. Denver Broncos – Mike Anderson is a significant loss, but Jake Plummer can take another step forward this season with Javon Walker. Ron Dayne's play is going to be pivotal, and the defense needs pass rushers who can finish the job in 2006. The collection of cornerbacks has the potential to be the NFL's best this season.

Cincinnati 3. Cincinnati Bengals – Dexter Jackson and Sam Adams are solid additions on defense, but the draft class doesn't look like it will have the immediate impact of last year's crop. David Pollack and Odell Thurman should continue to improve. Carson Palmer is the great unknown, but if he returns at full strength, this is a team worthy of a Super Bowl.

Indianapolis 4. Indianapolis Colts – The loss of Larry Tripplett will sting, but the departure of Edgerrin James is monumental. Peyton Manning can count on consistently facing eight men in coverage. The Colts appear to have another draft class (beyond Joseph Addai) that will take a few seasons before making a significant impact.

San Diego 5. San Diego Chargers – The development of Shawne Merriman and Luis Castillo and the signing of Marlon McCree will make the defense better from Day 1. Antonio Cromartie and Marcus McNeill provide quality depth. The offense is still loaded, but Philip Rivers will be the key to success. If he falters, the Chargers will struggle to make the playoffs.

New England 6. New England Patriots – Laurence Maroney and Chad Jackson were great pieces for the future, but the draft did little to replenish what the Patriots need right now. The departures of Willie McGinest and defensive coordinator Eric Mangini will hurt a defense that has become a shadow of the Super Bowl units.

Jacksonville 7. Jacksonville Jaguars – Mike Williams and Stockar McDougle could improve the offensive line … or they could continue to be overweight disappointments. Brian Williams and Nick Greisen should be solid defensive additions, but the draft was yet another head-scratcher. The Jaguars' advancement to a Super Bowl is going to depend on the health of Byron Leftwich and Fred Taylor and the emergence of either Reggie Williams or Matt Jones.

Miami 8. Miami Dolphins – The Dolphins might be a trendy dark horse pick for Super Bowl XLI, but there are way too many questions hanging over this team. Daunte Culpepper's health is the No. 1 issue, and the secondary is an unknown with the additions of Will Allen, Renaldo Hill and Jason Allen. The loss of Ricky Williams is going to put a lot of pressure on Ronnie Brown to stay healthy and carry a full load.

Kansas City 9. Kansas City Chiefs – Beyond the addition of Tamba Hali, the Chiefs are largely the same team from 2005. Under Herm Edwards, Larry Johnson could rush for 2,000 yards, but the defense remains the big issue. Unless Kansas City can generate some kind of consistent pass rush, it's going to be another season of shootouts and more hopes for a full season of good health on the offensive line.

Cleveland 10. Cleveland Browns – The Browns are amassing plenty of talent, but there is lots of uncertainty. Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow Jr. are coming off significant injuries, and Charlie Frye is still getting adjusted. The offense should be better with the additions of LeCharles Bentley, Kevin Shaffer and Joe Jurevicius. The defense also got a shot in the arm with veterans Willie McGinest and Ted Washington and rookies Kamerion Wimbley and D'Qwell Jackson.

Baltimore 11. Baltimore Ravens – An active offseason produced some quality veteran talent in Mike Anderson, Trevor Pryce and Corey Ivy. Adding Haloti Ngata in the draft should help, too, but it remains to be seen how all the turnover will affect the defense's chemistry. Also, the quarterback issue still hasn't been resolved. If Steve McNair doesn't land in Baltimore, it's another season of praying that Kyle Boller develops.

Oakland 12. Oakland Raiders – The offense is still loaded, but will Aaron Brooks be any better than Kerry Collins? History suggests he can't. Lance Johnstone will be a good complement to Derrick Burgess, and the secondary is young and talented with another first-round addition in Michael Huff. But the linebackers are still a big concern. Adding Darnell Bing and Thomas Howard won't shore up the unit overnight.

Houston 13. Houston Texans – The Texans should be able to put together a respectable rebound season, a la Cleveland in 2005. They added a nice group of solid veterans in free agency with Anthony Weaver, Eric Moulds, N.D. Kalu and Sam Cowart. The draft should have some instant impact, too, with Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans, Charles Spencer and Eric Winston all vying for starting spots. Plus, Gary Kubiak should be able to breathe some life into the offense immediately.

N.Y. Jets 14. New York Jets – John Abraham and Kevin Mawae are significant losses, while free agency only brought solid additions in Andre Dyson and Kimo von Oelhoffen. Unless Chad Pennington and Curtis Martin have huge bounce-back seasons, it's going to be another long year for the Jets. For Eric Mangini, this should be a rebuilding year.

Buffalo 15. Buffalo Bills – Larry Tripplett was a good addition in an offseason of pulling players off of the scrap heap. Forget the reaching in the draft for players like Donte Whitner and John McCargo. The Bills took plenty of gambles in free agency by signing Aaron Gibson, Peerless Price, Andre Davis and Craig Nall.

Tennessee 16. Tennessee Titans – The Titans didn't make a lot of moves in free agency, but they got some quality veterans with the signings of Kevin Mawae, David Givens, Chris Hope and David Thornton. LenDale White could provide some instant impact from the draft, too. But the second half of the 2006 season should eventually be about Vince Young, unless Steve McNair returns and Young holds a clipboard all season.


Really bad rankings by a hack who doesn't know jack alert!

[55CrushEm]

First of all, it's "effected."

Actually, Bob, "effect" is typically used as a noun, and "affect" is typically used as a verb.....so the previous poster was not wrong.....

[55CrushEm]

No, it's "effected." He's saying the new coaching staff is going to have an "effect" on the offense.

No...he said the coaching "will be strongly affected".....and the is proper....a VERB.

If he had said (which he didn't, as you say), "have an effect"....then that would be proper as well....a NOUN.

[Raider Bill]

Will Aaron Brooks be any better than Kerry Collins? History suggests he can't.

I never really followed NO, but upon researching Brooks' tenure there, he had exactly one season where the defense ranked higher then 26th in points allowed. Oakland was 25th last year, so I'd expect to be in the high teens this year just from having the same guy in place for 3 years.

I thought Jim Haslett was a defensive guy????

[OrangeShadow]

i think rivers is gonna suprise a lot of people.

[Rock Chalk]

Definitions of affected on the Web:

acted upon; influenced
speaking or behaving in an artificial way to make an impression
moved(p): being excited or provoked to the expression of an emotion; "too moved to speak"; "very touched by the stranger's kindness"
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Did you mean: define: affected


Definitions of effected on the Web:

accomplished: settled securely and unconditionally; "that smoking causes health problems is an accomplished fact"
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Apparently, effected is not a word.

[Merlin]

No, it's "effected." He's saying the new coaching staff is going to have an "effect" on the offense.
Bob,

Nothing like opening your mouth and removing all doubt. As it has already been explained to you "effected" is not the proper term. If you are going to use vocabulary/grammar smack, at least have an understanding of the terminology of which you are being critical.

As to your coaching staff. Are you being serious? Do you honestly think teams just set-up an offense and that is it? Why do you think they study so many hours of tapes? Why do you think teams have thousands of pages in their playbook? Why do teams plan their offense each and every week? Because you need a plan each week, otherwise the opposing team can tee off on your offense. BTW, until your OL coordinator proves otherwise, he is just an O coordinator. Do you honestly think Washington payed a boat load of money because your old OC did not contribute much to the process? The Kool-Aid you drink is nothing short of astonishing. Vermeil...Gunther...Herm, your stories about each change each season (as well as during the season when you get your butt handed to you).

Alec,

I see your point, but I would like one more season of good performance from Miami before I jump on their bandwagon (i.e. rate them higher than NE).

[55CrushEm]

Apparently, effected is not a word.

That would make sense......you don't ad "ed" to a NOUN and have it become a verb.....

Bob, are you taking notes?

[Rausch]

"La, la, la. I'm not listening."

"Roaf and Shields are going to retire next year, and you guys will be screwed."

That one never gets old.

And the offense will look different. Same scheme/philosophy, different play calling. And that's a good thing. The Chiefs are built more for play action and smashmouth than a Rams-style track meet.

Solari called all the running plays last year (the working part of our offense) and Saunders called all those stupid trick plays and WR screens on first down.

[Rausch]

As to your coaching staff. Are you being serious? Do you honestly think teams just set-up an offense and that is it? Why do you think they study so many hours of tapes? Why do you think teams have thousands of pages in their playbook? Why do teams plan their offense each and every week? Because you need a plan each week, otherwise the opposing team can tee off on your offense.

I like the "RUN LJ" plan.

We used it 9 straight weeks last year and no one came close to stopping it...

[fontaine]

"Roaf and Shields are going to retire next year, and you guys will be screwed."

That one never gets old.

And the offense will look different. Same scheme/philosophy, different play calling. And that's a good thing. The Chiefs are built more for play action and smashmouth than a Rams-style track meet.

Solari called all the running plays last year (the working part of our offense) and Saunders called all those stupid trick plays and WR screens on first down.

The KC offense will be fine as long as Roaf/Shields are healthy and play because they dropoff (both in pass protection/run blocking) is huge.

Gonzo looks to have slowed a bit but who knows maybe that Kris Wilson kid will wake up this year.

If anything I expect Worm Edwards to have a positive impact on your secondary but that won't matter if Gibbs decides to do his own thing.

Is it too early to label Siavii a bust?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

that won't matter if Gibbs decides to do his own thing.

I never get tired of this. If Gibbs gives us the 6th ranked secondary two years in a row, we'll fall in love with him.

I doubt he's going to cause our DBs to develop stone hands.


Is it too early to label Siavii a bust?

No, it's too late.

[fontaine]

I never get tired of this. If Gibbs gives us the 6th ranked secondary two years in a row, we'll fall in love with him.

I doubt he's going to cause our DBs to develop stone hands.


No, it's too late.

Go back to the corner. I was posting to Rausch, not you.

[Raider Bill]

I like the "RUN LJ" plan.

We used it 9 straight weeks last year and no one came close to stopping it...


Cripes almighty... I was just looking at LJ's numbers. How the hell do you lose when your RB runs for 150 + yards at 5 yards a clip and 3 scores?

LOL

Oakland did a decent job on him and he still went for 4.9 YPC

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Cripes almighty... I was just looking at LJ's numbers. How the hell do you lose when your RB runs for 150 + yards at 5 yards a clip and 3 scores?


When your defense allows Drew Bledsoe to put up similar numbers...

I'm assuming you're talking about the Dallas game. That was really frustrating, because up until that point I had assumed we were building something on defense.

Then an offense with mediocre talent took us apart like the 97 Broncos.

[Mediator12]

I never get tired of this. If Gibbs gives us the 6th ranked secondary two years in a row, we'll fall in love with him.

I doubt he's going to cause our DBs to develop stone hands.



No, it's too late.

Gibbs did not give DEN the 6th ranked pass defense for any year. Coyer's scheme did.

As for David Gibbs, he is an extremely talented coach with a penchant for insubordination. He and Gunther's egos should mesh quite nicely when Gibbs changes the coverages Gunther calls ;D That confrontation should be "Buddy Ryan punchoutesque" on the sidelines. I can not wait for Herm to see that!

[Rausch]

The KC offense will be fine as long as Roaf/Shields are healthy and play because they dropoff (both in pass protection/run blocking) is huge.

Black (Roaf's fill in last year) wasn't a bad run blocker at all but he was absolutely HORRIBLE at pass protection.

Gonzo looks to have slowed a bit but who knows maybe that Kris Wilson kid will wake up this year.

I won't hold my breath.

And I think having a defensive minded HC can only have a positive impact.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Gibbs did not give DEN the 6th ranked pass defense for any year. Coyer's scheme did.


I see. So let me get this straight.

Coyer + Gibbs = 6th ranked pass defense

Coyer - Gibbs = 29th ranked pass defense

[Mediator12]

I see. So let me get this straight.

Coyer + Gibbs = 6th ranked pass defense

Coyer - Gibbs = 29th ranked pass defense


Gibbs fired 7 games into the year does not equal sixth ranked pass defense to Gibbs ;D The two worst Passing yardage games that season came while Gibbs messed with coverages. Worst number of INT's over the two and a half years as secondary coach.

Name one position coach fired mid season BOB, outside of David Gibbs. It Just does not happen unless for cause because you can not replace a key staff member during the season. Keep dreaming all you want about wunderkind Gibbs.

[Garcia Bronco]

I see. So let me get this straight.

Coyer + Gibbs = 6th ranked pass defense

Coyer - Gibbs = 29th ranked pass defense


Bob..Gibbs is worthless...Champ Bailey gets here and 7 games later he's gone because Bailey knows what he's doing...David Gibbs doesn't. But your secondary hasn't been you defenses problem...it's been a lack of production at the Dt spot.

[WoodMan]

I like the "RUN LJ" plan.

We used it 9 straight weeks last year and no one came close to stopping it...
You chef fans are really desparate for success, I understand that, but you are going to wear poor LJ out in about 3 seasons. I understand he doesn't have much wear on him now, because he couldn't figure out the diaper pins. ;D You still need more offense than a running game. What did you do to improve a horrific wide reciever situation. Nothing! I am not surprised you are rated in the bottom half of the AFC. Other aging offensive weapons on the KC chefs are TrINT, Gonzales, 3 Oline starters. Boob is right, your offense will not be as productive as last year and your _efense is still just that. Is Tony Richardson still around? He is no spring chicken either.

[Raider Bill]

We beat the Cowboys, and were completely hosed on calls in both Chiefs games, both close affairs.

KC is a garbage team that's ranked right where they belong.

[youcandoit1687]

Whatever. We have the same players have been tearing up this league for five seasons now. I'm sure we're going to become mediocre overnight.

well. u guys kinda were mediocre last year. 7 out of 16, thats one off the middle..middle=mediocre, yes? i rode LJ in fantasy last year but have u ever heard of earl campbell? if uve been tearing it up for five seasons now, why arent there any real results like an AFC championship game?
IMO, u have a great O(i wont be a homer on this one) but age kills and trent and gonzo have been the foundation of ur passing game and with their aging, it could be trouble, kennison isnt getting yougner either. it will hinge on LJ's health IMO

[sirhcyennek81]

I dont figure HOW SD is ranked as high as they are. They lost Brees, and Rivers might be good, but i doubt he plays up to Brees' level coming out of the gate.

:Broncos:

[Kaylore]

I see. So let me get this straight.

Coyer + Gibbs = 6th ranked pass defense

Coyer - Gibbs = 29th ranked pass defense Now count interceptions with Gibbs and interceptions sans Gibbs.

Still smiling? In fact count interceptions per game after we fired Gibbs. They doubled. Have fun watching your defense's hands turn to stone.

[elsid13]

I really don't diaper boy to run as well this year. Not because he isn't talented, but rather DC have a whole summer of film to watch and see what he does well and what he doesn't. With rookie OC it should be interesting watching Edwards overruling play calls late the game and pretend he Marty.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

We beat the Cowboys, and were completely hosed on calls in both Chiefs games, both close affairs.

KC is a garbage team that's ranked right where they belong.

Uh, ok, whatever. ROFL!

Try beating us you know, once this decade.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Have fun watching your defense's hands turn to stone.

Won't happen.

[SoCalBronco]

I see. So let me get this straight.

Coyer + Gibbs = 6th ranked pass defense

Coyer - Gibbs = 29th ranked pass defense

Actually Coyer - Gibbs is the 4th ranked pass defense. Your looking at total passing yards. You should be looking at Yards per attempt, as the former reflects teams passing like hell on us to get back into games during the first half of the season when we routinely had huge halftime leads.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Actually Coyer - Gibbs is the 4th ranked pass defense. Your looking at total passing yards. You should be looking at Yards per attempt, as the former reflects teams passing like hell on us to get back into games during the first half of the season when we routinely had huge halftime leads.
What a joke. I know KC felt like they were facing the 4th ranked pass defense at Arrowhead. The Steelers in the playoffs, too. ROFL!

[Kaylore]

Won't happen.
Great take. The follow up analysis is my favorite part. It's the same argument you used when you explained how Gunther was going to make bad players good players.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Great take. The follow up analysis is my favorite part. It's the same argument you used when you explained how Gunther was going to make bad players good players.

I've eaten my crow on Gunther. If I'm wrong on Gibbs, I will chow down again.

The way I see it, Gibbs was nothing more than another Shanny scapegoat.

[Clockwork Orange]

I've eaten my crow on Gunther. If I'm wrong on Gibbs, I will chow down again.

The way I see it, Gibbs was nothing more than another Shanny scapegoat.

LOL

Keep dreaming, asspipe.

[Kaylore]

I've eaten my crow on Gunther. If I'm wrong on Gibbs, I will chow down again.

The way I see it, Gibbs was nothing more than another Shanny scapegoat. Did you read anything I wrote? Our interceptions spiked and have gone off the charts starting the very game after we fired Gibbs. There could not be a more obvious example of before and after circumstances vis-a-vis a coache's direct results on a team.

[Rausch]

You chef fans are really desparate for success, I understand that, but you are going to wear poor LJ out in about 3 seasons. I understand he doesn't have much wear on him now, because he couldn't figure out the diaper pins. ;D You still need more offense than a running game. What did you do to improve a horrific wide reciever situation. Nothing! I am not surprised you are rated in the bottom half of the AFC. Other aging offensive weapons on the KC chefs are TrINT, Gonzales, 3 Oline starters. Boob is right, your offense will not be as productive as last year and your _efense is still just that. Is Tony Richardson still around? He is no spring chicken either.

Great points.

Wait....I said the same thing while you took the Golden Girls to get trounced in the super bowl...

[Rausch]

We beat the Cowboys, and were completely hosed on calls in both Chiefs games, both close affairs.

KC is a garbage team that's ranked right where they belong.

Not even the mongoloid in yer avatar has a clue WTF yer talking about...

[Rausch]

Did you read anything I wrote? Our interceptions spiked and have gone off the charts starting the very game after we fired Gibbs. There could not be a more obvious example of before and after circumstances vis-a-vis a coache's direct results on a team.

So we traded a douche for a douche.

I don't see where the dropoff happens...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Did you read anything I wrote? Our interceptions spiked and have gone off the charts starting the very game after we fired Gibbs. There could not be a more obvious example of before and after circumstances vis-a-vis a coache's direct results on a team.

Our defensive backs aren't going to develop stone hands because of Gibbs.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You still need more offense than a running game.

Well, we do have a QB that's thrown for 4,000 yards or more in each of the last three seasons.

But I see what you're saying. Our passing game sucks.

[Kaylore]

Our defensive backs aren't going to develop stone hands because of Gibbs. Right, like when Champ spent his first few games under Gibbs, he had stone hands. I guess we traded Portis for a Corner with stone hands. Then we fire Gibbs and he has nine ints. He actually had one the very next game after Gibbs was canned. You're being stupid, Bob.

[Raider Bill]

KC is not an elite team. They're ranked right where they belong.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Right, like when Champ spent his first few games under Gibbs, he had stone hands. I guess we traded Portis for a Corner with stone hands. Then we fire Gibbs and he has nine ints. He actually had one the very next game after Gibbs was canned. You're being stupid, Bob.

No, I believe you are.

3/4's of our defensive backfield has a reputation for being ballhawks. I don't think they're going to lose those skills just because of a position coach. I find your insinuation absolutely ridiculous.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

KC is not an elite team. They're ranked right where they belong.

Thankyou, Raider Bill. It is still ludicrous to rank Cincinatti and San Diego ahead of the Chiefs, though, give their QB situations.

[Mediator12]

No, I believe you are.

3/4's of our defensive backfield has a reputation for being ballhawks. I don't think they're going to lose those skills just because of a position coach. I find your insinuation absolutely ridiculous.

What is Ludicrous is Gibbs messing with Den's players heads. In fact, it was such an egregious act that he was fired midseason. The sheer ego from it is amazing. The Staff watches 12 hours of film most days and he thought he could get away with it. What is the funniest part is he actually thought the players would back him up when asked about why they were not following their assignments from the playcalls LOL

[crazyhorse]

Right, like when Champ spent his first few games under Gibbs, he had stone hands. I guess we traded Portis for a Corner with stone hands. Then we fire Gibbs and he has nine ints. He actually had one the very next game after Gibbs was canned. You're being stupid, Bob.

What on earth did Gibbs do to Baileys hands? I have no idea how Gibbs could make Baileys hands "stone".

Perhaps you should enlighten us.

[Ballhawk]

What on earth did Gibbs do to Baileys hands? I have no idea how Gibbs could make Baileys hands "stone".

Perhaps you should enlighten us. Gibbs is the antimidas, everything he touches turns to crap.

[Ballhawk]

One team I think is ranked too high is NE, but they do get to play in the AFC east and against the NFC Central. I would not be surprised to see Miami win that division this year.

Also knock Indy down a few spots as they are going to miss 2 of their starting front seven. Look for Manning to start pointing fingers around week 4.

[Mediator12]

What on earth did Gibbs do to Baileys hands? I have no idea how Gibbs could make Baileys hands "stone".

Perhaps you should enlighten us.

Mental. He had Bailey doing things he was not prepared to do from practice and the gameplan. He left Chad Johnson one on one with Bailey when he was supposed to have safety help inside TWICE. He switched Herndon and Bailey in the ATL game covering the WR's they had not prepared. He called the wrong coverages on the blitz packages. You know small little things like that.

Gibbs called the Coverages into the players and messed with what was given him.

[Play2win]

Gibbs is the antimidas, everything he touches turns to crap.
King Midas in REVERSE...

Everything he touches turns to RUST...

[Rascal]

Also knock Indy down a few spots as they are going to miss 2 of their starting front seven. Look for Manning to start pointing fingers around week 4.

I know they lost their Left OLB, but who else?

[Mediator12]

I know they lost their Left OLB, but who else?

Larry tripplet to BUF. Those are two of their more expendable front seven though. I wish we still had Monte Reagor, he would fit perfectly with Warren at DT.

[Ballhawk]

Larry tripplet to BUF. Those are two of their more expendable front seven though. I wish we still had Monte Reagor, he would fit perfectly with Warren at DT.

Yes, but thats why I said a few spots. Tripplet was an underated guy that did the grunt work. I think overall the pass rush will be there but Indy will get ran on.

[Rascal]

Larry tripplet to BUF. Those are two of their more expendable front seven though. I wish we still had Monte Reagor, he would fit perfectly with Warren at DT.

I'd love to have Reagor back.

Refresh my memory...why did we get rid of him?

[sirhcyennek81]

I'd love to have Reagor back.

Refresh my memory...why did we get rid of him?



He wanted more money then what he was worth at the time


:Broncos:

[crazyhorse]

Mental. He had Bailey doing things he was not prepared to do from practice and the gameplan. He left Chad Johnson one on one with Bailey when he was supposed to have safety help inside TWICE. He switched Herndon and Bailey in the ATL game covering the WR's they had not prepared. He called the wrong coverages on the blitz packages. You know small little things like that.

Gibbs called the Coverages into the players and messed with what was given him.

I still dont see how that translates into Bailey having "stone hands" because of Gibbs.

The point of the question was to point out that when calling others stupid, it has more impact if you're not being stupid yourself.

To address your post, Bailey does make mistakes you know. For example:

Pertaining to a debate we had on the las Chiefs game, Bailey did not make a sight adjustment when Herndon came down during a shift on KCs line on the Hall TD.

You mentioned you thought it was the safety who made the mistake in coverage. I was in no position to argue the point because I dont know what coverage was called, nor do I know what the scheme would dictate on that particular shift in KCs line. I doubt you do either. However, there is no arguement the that safety came down well before the snap of the ball. Giving Bailey ample time to adjust his coverage. Bailey spends so much time looking in the backfield that he did not see the adjustment by the safety.

With that said, I am not saying who's fault it was or wasn't. I am saying however, that Bailey should be held accountable for his mistakes. He has made some dumbass mistakes since Gibbs left. I dont blame his current coach for those mistakes any more than I blame him when Bailey plays well.

One thing is certain, nothing Gibbs ever did gave Bailey stone hands.

[kamakazi_kal]

I've eaten my crow on Gunther. If I'm wrong on Gibbs, I will chow down again.

The way I see it, Gibbs was nothing more than another Shanny scapegoat.


well then he should make a perfect edwards scapegoat........

[watermock]

Deaf, dumb and blind isn't any way to go thru life Crazy. Read Mediator's post again. There also are things called "intangibles". Gibbs next gig will be for a Jr. College, then onto H.S. His college team sucked last year.

But mostly, it was insubordination that got him on the first bus out of town. Ignoring Coyer's calls, good or bad isn't his job.

[crazyhorse]

Deaf, dumb and blind isn't any way to go thru life Crazy. Read Mediator's post again. There also are things called "intangibles". Gibbs next gig will be for a Jr. College, then onto H.S. His college team sucked last year.

But mostly, it was insubordination that got him on the first bus out of town. Ignoring Coyer's calls, good or bad isn't his job.

You being as smart as you are, perhaps you can break it down in such a way that even someone as dumb as I can understand. How did Gibbs make Bailey have "stone hands"?

I look forward to your response.:welcome: ROFL!


Dumbass.