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Bronx33
05-10-2006, 02:26 PM
Hump PUTIN SAYS! HUMP LIKE STALIN ON FREE VODKA NIGHT!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/10/AR2006051001316.html

MOSCOW, May 10 - Russian President Vladimir Putin offered women cash to have more babies on Wednesday as he tackled a decline in population that is leaving swathes of the country deserted and threatening to strangle economic growth.

In his annual address to the nation, Putin said each year Russia's population fell by about 700,000 -- or about the same as the population of San Francisco. He proposed new financial incentives to nudge up the birth rate.



His measures had echoes of the Soviet Union, when the Kremlin saw increasing the population as a key front in the Cold War. Women with large families had the title "Hero Mother" and were given medals and expensive gifts.

"Let's talk about the most acute problem facing Russia -- demography," Putin said. "Broadly speaking we are talking about the preservation of our people."

"We must resurrect our time-honoured traditions of treating the family, home and hearth, with special care," he said.

But some young families said having even one child is a financial struggle and more fundamental changes are needed before they would risk rearing a second or third child.

Putin proposed more than doubling monthly payouts to families for their first baby to 1,500 roubles ($55) -- over half the average wage.

Many Russian parents choose to stop at only one child. But if they have a second then that child, under Putin's proposals, will merit 3,000 roubles a month.

And he said the state should pay women who give up work to have a child not less than 40 percent of what they used to earn.

HERO MOTHERS

Since the Soviet collapse, Russia's population has nosedived. Demographers blame low life expectancy as well as the low birth rate.

A World Bank report in December said as the pool of workers shrinks, Russia's strong economic growth could be threatened. Villages and towns are falling empty in many parts of the vast country as the residents die out and are not replaced.

A small sample of young parents and would-be parents said on Wednesday that Putin's proposals did not go far enough.

"The amounts of state assistance (Putin) is talking about are laughably small," said Oleg Bryukhanovsky, a 28-year-old lawyer whose wife is expecting their first child.



"Prices for everything to do with children are going up ... We will probably put off having a second child for as long as possible ... for material reasons."

Andrei Karmadanov, 23, from Russia's Far East, has a two-year-old child. He said it was almost impossible to get a nursery place for his son.

His one-room apartment was too small to have a second child and there was little prospect of getting a bigger one, he said.

Karmadanov said Putin's proposals would only encourage freeloaders who will have children to qualify for state handouts. "To be frank, this money will just go on vodka."

Anna Mikhailova, 24, and her computer specialist husband, are expecting their first child next month.

"We think that if the state's policy remains the same we will stick to just having two children," she said. "You cannot be sure that you will be able to put food on your child's plate."

According to official data, Russia's population has dropped from 145 million in 2003 to 143 million. Officials say if the trend goes unchecked the population could be down to 100 million by the middle of the century.

Putin also proposed better healthcare and diet to help Russians live longer. The average Russian lives for 66 years, some 12 years less than the average German.

Factors like poor diet and heavy drinking shorten the lifespan of the average Russian man to 58 years.

Smiling Assassin27
05-10-2006, 02:33 PM
Russia's just one of many Euro nations that are facing the same issues. They've spent the better part of 3 decades discouraging a culture of life and suddenly now need workers. Reap what you sow, Euros.

TailgateNut
05-10-2006, 03:12 PM
Here's an idea. He can take care of his problem and ours at the same time. Just go to the border and collect the illegal immigrants and ship them to Russia. He wont have to PAY them to have babies!

Hotrod
05-10-2006, 03:13 PM
Here's an idea. He can take care of his problem and ours at the same time. Just go to the border and collect the illegal immigrants and ship them to Russia. He wont have to PAY them to have babies!

That folks is a slam dunk. :thumbs:

Smiling Assassin27
05-10-2006, 03:19 PM
Just create a baby exchange program with China, who aborts every child over the allotted amount as decided by the government.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-10-2006, 08:13 PM
Russia's just one of many Euro nations that are facing the same issues. They've spent the better part of 3 decades discouraging a culture of life and suddenly now need workers. Reap what you sow, Euros.

Whereas the proponents of the so-called "culture of life" you're talking about encourage overpopulation and a population growth that exceeds the planet's carrying capacity.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-10-2006, 08:16 PM
Here's an idea. He can take care of his problem and ours at the same time. Just go to the border and collect the illegal immigrants and ship them to Russia. He wont have to PAY them to have babies!

ROFL! ^5

I wonder what those babies would look like...

:D

Spider
05-10-2006, 08:16 PM
me and the wife would be verdy verdy rich .......... ;D Ferytle meryrtle to the rescuse

TailgateNut
05-11-2006, 07:42 AM
ROFL! ^5

I wonder what those babies would look like...

:D

Instead of wearing straw hats, they would wear babushkas (sp)!

Hogan11
05-11-2006, 08:14 AM
ROFL! ^5

I wonder what those babies would look like...

:D

I'm wondering what their disposition would be like myself.....on second thought, that's a terrible idea.

Meck77
05-11-2006, 08:21 AM
Meahwhile the Chinese population is growing so fast they are spilling over into remote areas of Russia and claiming land. I have a friend doing business in a remote town in that area. He says it's just a matter of time before the blood starts flying between the Russians and Chinese for land.

TailgateNut
05-11-2006, 08:23 AM
Meahwhile the Chinese population is growing so fast they are spilling over into remote areas of Russia and claiming land. I have a friend doing business in a remote town in that area. He says it's just a matter of time before the blood starts flying between the Russians and Chinese for land.


That's a pretty scare scenario!

Hogan11
05-11-2006, 08:26 AM
Meahwhile the Chinese population is growing so fast they are spilling over into remote areas of Russia and claiming land. I have a friend doing business in a remote town in that area. He says it's just a matter of time before the blood starts flying between the Russians and Chinese for land.

That's been happening in Manchuria for years....I think parts of that place are still disputed between the two countries in a Kasmir type of way but we just don't hear as much about it.

Smiling Assassin27
05-11-2006, 11:45 AM
Whereas the proponents of the so-called "culture of life" you're talking about encourage overpopulation and a population growth that exceeds the planet's carrying capacity.

sorry, that's not scientifically verifiable. that's nothing more than spin by the margaret sangers of the world. homework, people...try it. secondly, can you show me a single 'culture of life' advocate that says humans are supposed to have more babies than they're able to care for? the answer's no, because that's not what culture of life advocates teach.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-11-2006, 08:48 PM
sorry, that's not scientifically verifiable. that's nothing more than spin by the margaret sangers of the world. homework, people...try it.

:rofl:

You gotta be sh_ttin' me.

You're trying to claim that overpopulation isn't a real threat?

Are you one of those global warming denyers as well?

secondly, can you show me a single 'culture of life' advocate that says humans are supposed to have more babies than they're able to care for?

How about the Roman Catholic Church, for starters?

sisterhellfyre
05-11-2006, 11:07 PM
He says it's just a matter of time before the blood starts flying between the Russians and Chinese for land.

It already has, Meck. There are very few reports in the Western media, but "border incidents" between Russia and China go back years. The kind of incidents where Russian and Chinese troops shoot at each other, sometimes with artillery and tanks, and once up to division-level combat along the Amur River.

If anything, it's even easier for the Chinese to encroach now because Russia, for all that "strong economic growth," is dirt-poor. Did you catch the reference to 1500 rubles, or about $55, as being over half of the average monthly wage? That's Third World territory for a standard of living.

And for all the resouces it's got, Russia should be wildly rich...

Regards,
m.

cbs1177
05-12-2006, 03:23 AM
America pays cash also for children we do it in the form of tax credits.

Crushaholic
05-12-2006, 03:31 AM
I'm wondering what their disposition would be like myself.....on second thought, that's a terrible idea.

I wonder what the combination of jalepenos and vodkas would do to the human system...:hitself:

Smiling Assassin27
05-12-2006, 08:44 AM
:rofl:

You gotta be sh_ttin' me.

You're trying to claim that overpopulation isn't a real threat?

Are you one of those global warming denyers as well?



How about the Roman Catholic Church, for starters?

all i'm saying is do your homework, that's all. in 1998, the UN admitted that the overpopulation time bomb they had been talking up for a decade was false. you see a picture in Africa of a starving kid and automatically assume it's because there's too many mouths to feed--bad assumption. African birth rates are actually 20% lower than all these overpopulation gurus predicted while the world produces more food on less land than ever. 80 countries are already below replacement levels. Facts are facts and the doomsayers that advocate population control (which is REALLY just economic and social imperialism) are liars.

as for the Catholic Church, i'd say prove your point. show us a Catechism, an encyclical, or anything that demonstrates that the Church advocates irresponsible procreation. it advocates Natural Family Planning and forbids contraception on moral grounds, but making the leap to 'the Church advocates rampant and irresponsible procreation' is just not possible if you know the real Church position. assumptions about this stuff only perpetuate false stereotypes and baseless statements like the ones you've made here.

Spider
05-12-2006, 08:50 AM
as for the Catholic Church, i'd say prove your point. show us a Catechism, an encyclical, or anything that demonstrates that the Church advocates irresponsible procreation. it advocates Natural Family Planning and forbids contraception on moral grounds, but making the leap to 'the Church advocates rampant and irresponsible procreation' is just not possible if you know the real Church position. assumptions about this stuff only perpetuate false stereotypes and baseless statements like the ones you've made here.
I have to agree here , the Catholic church does not advocate irresponsible procreation. thats why the priest molested young boys .......... Very good point 27 .......LABF should offer up an apology right now to catholics ........

Smiling Assassin27
05-12-2006, 09:15 AM
I have to agree here , the Catholic church does not advocate irresponsible procreation. thats why the priest molested young boys .......... Very good point 27 .......LABF should offer up an apology right now to catholics ........

once again, nothing more than a pot shot without information. it's clear you know squat about the scandal and even less about Church teaching. spider, you show just how ignorant a bigot can be. are priests the only ones who molest children? if not, then your point is worthless...again. you manage to dumb down every thread you touch, spidey. hard to do, but nice work. (end of ANOTHER worthless conversation with spider)

Spider
05-12-2006, 09:19 AM
once again, nothing more than a pot shot without information. it's clear you know squat about the scandal and even less about Church teaching. spider, you show just how ignorant a bigot can be. are priests the only ones who molest children? if not, then your point is worthless...again. you manage to dumb down every thread you touch, spidey. hard to do, but nice work. (end of ANOTHER worthless conversation with spider)
see i try to help you out and this is the thanks i get ......... ingrate

Spider
05-12-2006, 09:22 AM
so Iguess you 27 dont want to hear about my Catholic game show in American Idol format ?

W*GS
05-12-2006, 09:37 AM
You're trying to claim that overpopulation isn't a real threat?

Is it?

Smiling Assassin27
05-12-2006, 09:50 AM
so Iguess you 27 dont want to hear about my Catholic game show in American Idol format ?


i'm sure Ted Turner would buy it sight unseen... :thumbs:

Spider
05-12-2006, 09:56 AM
i'm sure Ted Turner would buy it sight unseen... :thumbs:
;D well I did pitch it to Fox ...... something about Bill OReilly's seceret police visting me