Our own government helping illegals

[Hotrod]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50122

"U.S. officials have agreed to the notification process to reassure the Mexican government that the illegal immigrants' rights are being observed"

WTF what rights????

[ludo21]

that is what im confused on?

We know the people in the rallies are illegal, but cant do anything.!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"U.S. officials have agreed to the notification process to reassure the Mexican government that the illegal immigrants' rights are being observed"

How do you like BushCo now?

[Smiling Assassin27]

they're called 'inalienable rights' in the Declaration of Independence. the Founding Fathers don't limit these rights to Americans, but rather say God gave them to every human being, illegal or not.

[Old Dude]

Looks like a new round of immigration raids was started yesterday:

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060510/NEWS0103/605100358/-1/CINCI

76 suspect illegals arrested
Fischer Homes construction sites, headquarters raided
BY JIM HANNAH | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER
FLORENCE - Suspected illegal immigrants scattered as a helicopter swooped from the predawn skies and federal agents swarmed the Tamarack Trace apartments Tuesday.

Thorns cut Ricardo Mauricio's arms as he sprinted through bushes into the cover of a stand of trees with two friends.

"God protected me today," said Mauricio, a 25-year-old Guatemalan who said he crossed the Mexico-U.S. border illegally about six months ago.


He hid in the trees for three hours while agents detained 76 suspected illegal immigrants, raided the Crestview Hills headquarters of Fischer Homes and arrested four construction site supervisors for the home builder.

"This was not a random roundup of illegal aliens," Dean Boyd, spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said. "These were arrests that were conducted as a result of a criminal investigation that has been carefully planned . . . for some time."

The four construction site supervisors - Timothy Copsy, Doug Witt, William Allison and Bill Ring - are each charged with harboring illegal aliens for commercial advantage or private financial gain.

The maximum possible punishment for the charge is 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

The four appeared in U.S. District Court in Covington, where they pleaded not guilty and were released from custody on their own recognizance.

No one answered the doors at the Independence homes of Copsy and Witt Tuesday evening. Ring was reached at his Florence home but said all statements would come from Fischer. Allison could not be contacted.

The 76 suspected illegal immigrants remained in the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service on Tuesday night. Each is charged with entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail. U.S. Marshal John Schickel said 66 were being held at the Boone County jail in Burlington and 10 at the Grant County jail in Williamstown.

Boyd said the suspected illegal aliens were working as laborers at three Fischer Homes developments in Hebron, Union and Florence.

FISCHER DENIES CHARGES

Some Fischer employees, who wished not to be identified, said they returned from lunch to find a police officer guarding the first-floor elevator at headquarters and preventing anyone from re-entering the offices.

A representative for Fischer Homes released a written statement as local, state and federal law-enforcement officials, including the IRS, were seen coming and going from the building.

"Fischer Homes utilizes a rigorous screening process for all of its employees, including citizenship verification," Fischer Homes president Robert Hawksley wrote. "We require all subcontractors to sign a document promising they will use no illegal aliens as employees.

"Fischer Homes does not, in any way, condone the hiring or use of illegal immigrants."

Hawksley wrote in the statement that his company will continue to operate according to the legal and ethical traditions it has established during more than 25 years in business.

Dan Dressman, executive vice president of Northern Kentucky Home Builders, said all the group's builders use a general agreement with their subcontractors, requiring them to abide by state and federal laws.

He said most builders rely on subcontractors for 95 percent of their workers, and a large part of that labor is immigrant workers, especially for drywall, bricklaying, landscaping and roofing work. Dressman said there's no way of knowing how many illegal immigrants might be working on local home-building sites.

NO TOLERANCE

A statement released by federal immigration officials in Washington, D.C., said the arrests and raid demonstrate how they will no longer tolerate corporate supervisors who harbor illegal aliens, no matter how small the company.

Boyd said the case was initiated more than a year ago and was not in response to the public protests in connection with the immigration debate on Capitol Hill.

"On the national level, we are really stepping up our efforts to investigate illegal employment schemes," he said. "Expect more investigations like this. We are bringing criminal charges against employers, seizing assets and using all the tools at our disposal to target employers who are illegally hiring, harboring or laundering the proceeds of those schemes."

CONCERN AS WORD SPREAD

Sister Juana Mendez started getting frantic calls from immigrants at 7 a.m. They weren't sure if it was safe to come home after their workdays were over or even pick up their children from Boone County public schools.

One woman was crying, said Sister Mendez, who helps immigrants through the Diocese of Covington's Centro de Amistad ("Friendship Center").

"She was hysterical. She said, 'What am I going to do?' She had a son in one school and a daughter in another," the nun said.

Mauricio, who sends money to help support children he left behind in Guatemala, said he, too, didn't know what to do next.

At 3 p.m., Mauricio stood forlorn in front of his apartment, looking for his wife. She had left for her factory job about 5 a.m., and the police arrived about 6 a.m., he said. All day, he had been calling her cellular phone, but she didn't answer, and he didn't know where she was.

It wasn't clear Tuesday night if his wife was one of the arrested.

Mauricio said he was concerned about friends and relatives who he saw with plastic handcuffs around their wrists. They should have been treated with more dignity, he said.

"If I have to leave, I will leave ... ," Mauricio said. "But don't treat me like an animal. ... We have rights. Why? Because this is the land of God. The only thing we don't have is papers, identification."

[Hotrod]

they're called 'inalienable rights' in the Declaration of Independence. the Founding Fathers don't limit these rights to Americans, but rather say God gave them to every human being, illegal or not.

Actually its very much against the law and they should be shot as they cross the desert.

[Old Dude]

More on yesterday's raid:

4 charged with hiding 76 illegal immigrants
5/9/2006, 9:09 p.m. CT
The Associated Press

COVINGTON, Ky. (AP) — Four men who work for a Kentucky-based construction company were charged Tuesday with harboring illegal immigrants after federal investigators found dozens of undocumented workers at three of the company's construction sites.

A raid Tuesday at home sites in Hebron, Union and Florence revealed 76 undocumented workers laboring as subcontractors at the sites.

The arrests were the result of a yearlong investigation into the home-building company by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the IRS-Criminal Investigation Division and local authorities.

Timothy Copsy, Doug Witt, William Allison and Bill Ring each face one count.

The men — who work in supervisory roles for Fischer Homes, part of the Fischer Group in Crestview Hills, Ky. — were arrested and charged in U.S. District Court. They face up to 10 years in prison and $250,000 in fines. All four men posted bond and were released.

The workers may face federal misdemeanor charges and others could face administrative immigration violations, said Dean Boyd, a spokesman for ICE.

According to the complaint filed by the U.S. Attorney's Office, authorities visited several Fischer home sites in January claiming to be searching for a Hispanic male wanted in Texas for murder.

When officials interviewed workers on the site, many admitted to being in the country illegally. The complaint alleges the managers at each of the sites knew they were using undocumented workers. The investigation is ongoing, Boyd said.

Tuesday's arrests were the latest in recent efforts by ICE to stop companies who knowingly employ undocumented workers.

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/base/national-64/1147227257233270.xml&storylist=national

[Rascal]

WTF are we allowing illegal's into our public school system?

[Old Dude]

Sorry, Hotrod. Didn't mean to hijack your thread.

Bringing things back on topic, I think the deal is that the U.S. govt. is notifying the Mexican govt. via treaty agreements, as to where & when foreign nationals are seized.

The Minutemen are not a governmental agency, so I doubt that the INS really cares what they think or how this affects their plans.

[Spider]

WTF are we allowing illegal's into our public school system?
this has been going on forever .........
esto se ha estado encendiendo por siempre........
это шло дальше forever
......... يذهب هذا يتلقّى يكون فوق دائما

[Old Dude]

WTF are we allowing illegal's into our public school system?

I think this was a choice by federal lawmakers who decided it would be better to have these kids in school than running around loose on the streets. I don't think it is constitutionally required, so that is something that could be changed, but it probably has to be done at the federal level, due to funding controls.

[Old Dude]

To follow up on that, back in 1994, California voters passed proposition 187, which would have denied health care, education and welfare benefits to illegal immigrants.

It was quickly struck down in the federal courts because it infringed on the federal government's authority to regulate immigration.

Theoretically, the feds could enact similar legislation if they wanted to.

[Hotrod]

To me its all about getting the votes but that tide is turning quick. If someone in the "center" runs on stopping the over flow of illegal turds he will win in a landslide.

[W*GS]

Actually its very much against the law and they should be shot as they cross the desert.

You gonna go out there and murder children?

Very nice.

[Hotrod]

You gonna go out there and murder children?

Very nice.

Na we will only have to shoot the first 100 or so adults then they will stop coming.

[Rascal]

To follow up on that, back in 1994, California voters passed proposition 187, which would have denied health care, education and welfare benefits to illegal immigrants.

It was quickly struck down in the federal courts because it infringed on the federal government's authority to regulate immigration.

Theoretically, the feds could enact similar legislation if they wanted to.

That's BS. Then they need to do it and relieve some of the stress on our health care system, which I hate anyway but it's costing me money so I care, education, and welfare system.

That brings up a point...why are they (illegals) on welfare?

[Hotrod]

That's BS. Then they need to do it and relieve some of the stress on our health care system, which I hate anyway but it's costing me money so I care, education, and welfare system.

That brings up a point...why are they (illegals) on welfare?

2 reasons

1. They are hard working self improving people Ha!
2. 10% of the illegal population in CA resides in the state pen.

[Spider]

You gonna go out there and murder children?

Very nice.
can we just mame them ? you know like shot in the leg or arm ?

[Hotrod]

can we just mame them ? you know like shot in the leg or arm ?

LOL thats fine but we need to do that before they hit American soil our hospitals already have enough illegals in them. ;D

[Garcia Bronco]

To me its all about getting the votes but that tide is turning quick. If someone in the "center" runs on stopping the over flow of illegal turds he will win in a landslide.
illegals can't vote

[Spider]

LOL thats fine but we need to do that before they hit American soil our hospitals already have enough illegals in them. ;D
we just wont tell W*GS , he is funny about these kind of things ya know ......;D

[Hotrod]

illegals can't vote

Correct but their relatives and the hispanic population in general can. Oh and so can W*GS

[Old Dude]

To me its all about getting the votes but that tide is turning quick. If someone in the "center" runs on stopping the over flow of illegal turds he will win in a landslide.

You might be right. I don't know. The polls are all messed up because of the way the questions are phrased.

My personal opinion is that there is a big groundswell of voters who are more concerned about future waves of immigrants - legal and illegal - than the ones we have here right now. And the main concern about those who are currently present seems to be that they are not getting "assimilated." This is where I really see the "hot" issues of language and national allegiance really coming into play. And there is certainly some logic to that. Isolated & nonassimilated minorities have almost always been bad news for every nation that has dealt with them. This is exactly what has been going on in Europe with Muslim immigrants for the past decade or so, and there are more roots of 911 in places like Belgium, the Netherlands and France than most people realize.

This is why educational access is such a tough issue. It's certainly costng taxpayer money. But it is also crucial to any hope for assimilation.

The second thing at issue is the cost - for welfare, emergency services, education, ADC, jails, etc. And related to that is the undermining effect on American Labor. This is where I think there is more division in American opinion.

And related to all that is the cost issue of deportation. I think many people don't view the deportation of 10 to 20 million people as something we can really afford. Others disagree, of course. And for others, I think it's a matter of fiscal priority.

Newt Ginrich said the other day that all of this might be a blessing in disguise for the Republican party. He suggested that they focus for the moment on purely restrictive measures - - beefing up border security and limited action against blatant employer violations - - and put off to another day the whole question about guest workers or what to do with illegals who have been here for long periods of time.

I think that this is exactly the strategy that will be employed, and the Republicans will succeed in it.

[Old Dude]

That's BS. Then they need to do it and relieve some of the stress on our health care system, which I hate anyway but it's costing me money so I care, education, and welfare system.

That brings up a point...why are they (illegals) on welfare?

What happens is that you have people who enter the country illegally, and then have a child born here. The child is a citizen, and entitled to things like ADC assistance.

This is why there are some proposals to redefine citizenship to exclude persons born here - but to parents who are not here legally.

I'm not sure, but I think the whole citizenship by birth thing is set out in the US Constitution. If so, then I think it would take a constitutional amendment to change that.

[Hotrod]

You might be right. I don't know. The polls are all messed up because of the way the questions are phrased.

My personal opinion is that there is a big groundswell of voters who are more concerned about future waves of immigrants - legal and illegal - than the ones we have here right now. And the main concern about those who are currently present seems to be that they are not getting "assimilated." This is where I really see the "hot" issues of language and national allegiance really coming into play. And there is certainly some logic to that. Isolated & nonassimilated minorities have almost always been bad news for every nation that has dealt with them. This is exactly what has been going on in Europe with Muslim immigrants for the past decade or so, and there are more roots of 911 in places like Belgium, the Netherlands and France than most people realize.

This is why educational access is such a tough issue. It's certainly costng taxpayer money. But it is also crucial to any hope for assimilation.

The second thing at issue is the cost - for welfare, emergency services, education, ADC, jails, etc. And related to that is the undermining effect on American Labor. This is where I think there is more division in American opinion.

And related to all that is the cost issue of deportation. I think many people don't view the deportation of 10 to 20 million people as something we can really afford. Others disagree, of course. And for others, I think it's a matter of fiscal priority.

Newt Ginrich said the other day that all of this might be a blessing in disguise for the Republican party. He suggested that they focus for the moment on purely restrictive measures - - beefing up border security and limited action against blatant employer violations - - and put off to another day the whole question about guest workers or what to do with illegals who have been here for long periods of time.

I think that this is exactly the strategy that will be employed, and the Republicans will succeed in it.

Excellent post OD. All my joking aside IMO the priority is....

1. Secure the boarder
2. Set up a worker program.
3. Set strict conditions on the illegals that are here (job, education (English, writing, math, US history) paying their taxes
4. Anyone not meeting #3 is deported ASAP
5. Any illegal with a rap sheet gone.
6. hiring of illegals not enrolled/active in #3 huge fines

Or something along those lines.

[W*GS]

Old Dude, don't confuse the nativists with facts and reason. They just wanna go shoot some Messicans.

[Spider]

Old Dude, don't confuse the nativists with facts and reason. They just wanna go shoot some Messicans.
speaking of that can i have a loan to buy some ammo ?

[Hotrod]

Old Dude, don't confuse the nativists with facts and reason. They just wanna go shoot some Messicans.

Hey retard I guess you missed where I agreed with OD Ha!

[Hotrod]

Its so easy to screw with Wags mind that it almost take the fun out of it......Almost

[Bronx33]

Well ya know we as US citizens can turn in illegals as we see them, we can become the eyes and ears for those he don't do their jobs.

[Spider]

Well ya know we as US citizens can turn in illegals as we see them, we can become the eyes and ears for those he don't do their jobs.
oh brother let me guess , you are against the shooting them plan ........ :D

[Bronx33]

oh brother let me guess , you are against the shooting them plan ........ :D


Naw the pick up a phone and report them plan.

[Hotrod]

Naw the pick up a phone and report them plan.

Thats a great idea except your own Government will call ahead and tell the illegals where your gonna be so they can take a cab to the next turnstile on the boarder.

[Spider]

Naw the pick up a phone and report them plan.
oh come on now , it isnt like we are advocating shooting them from a helicopter ..... there will be some sport involved .......

[Bronx33]

Thats a great idea except your own Government will call ahead and tell the illegals where your gonna be so they can take a cab to the next turnstile on the boarder.

Thats where plan B comes in (iam still working on it) stay tuned. :approve:

[Hotrod]

oh come on now , it isnt like we are advocating shooting them from a helicopter ..... there will be some sport involved .......

Whats that movie where the dude says "Do you know how to shoot the women and children" The reporter says "How" The dude says "Ya just dont lead them so much" Ha!

Ward err wags will love this post!

[Spider]

Whats that movie where the dude says "Do you know how to shoot the women and children" The reporter says "How" The dude says "Ya just dont lead them so much" Ha!

Ward err wags will love this post!
My boy ward will come through with the loan ........ we need ammo ;D

[Old Dude]

Well ya know we as US citizens can turn in illegals as we see them, we can become the eyes and ears for those he don't do their jobs.

The problem is that the feds are the ones in charge of immigration & deportation actions and all that, and I'm sure they already know all about many thousands of illegals. They just don't have the resources to do anything about it.

If you really want to get into the "reporting" aspect of things, you'd be better off to focus on specific businesses that have hired a bunch of illegals, or on people like landlords who rent out converted garages and run-down one-bedroom shacks to 15 or 20 guys at a time.

[Bronx33]

The problem is that the feds are the ones in charge of immigration & deportation actions and all that, and I'm sure they already know all about many thousands of illegals. They just don't have the resources to do anything about it.

If you really want to get into the "reporting" aspect of things, you'd be better off to focus on specific businesses that have hired a bunch of illegals, or on people like landlords who rent out converted garages and run-down one-bedroom shacks to 15 or 20 guys at a time.


Exactly my point.

[Old Dude]

Well, here you go:

http://www.reportillegals.com/

[Bronx33]

Well, here you go:

http://www.reportillegals.com/


Promoting this on a national scale might kick them in the a**, people just need to encouraged use it.

[Old Dude]

More on the Kentucky raids:

http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/9185401/detail.html

[Old Dude]

Meanwhile:

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/14535319.htm



2 firms fined in wake of raidBy BRYON OKADA
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

FORT WORTH - Two companies that did janitorial work for American Airlines were fined in federal court Monday morning for immigration violations stemming from 2002's Operation Tarmac raid at Dallas/Fort Worth Airport.

U.S. District Judge Terry Means fined Midwest Airport Services $150,000 and Service Performance Corp. $600,000.

Midwest President Karen Sue Rowell, 47, who pleaded guilty last year to immigration violations, was sentenced to nine months in federal prison. Rowell must also pay a $5,000 fine and will be on supervised release for one year after prison.

Edward John Pitre, 49, a Midwest underling, got a stiffer sentence because he did not cooperate with the government's investigation.

In the summer, a jury found him guilty of helping harbor aliens. Pitre was sentenced to 15 months in federal prison and two years on supervised release and was fined $1,000.

"I know what I did was wrong," Rowell said, apologizing to the court, family, friends and co-workers. A large crowd was in court to support her.

Midwest and SPC still work for American Airlines.

Operation Tarmac came at the height of the post-9-11 national panic over airport security, and Midwest and SPC flouted federal immigration rules in hiring and in falsifying citizenship records to allow their workers access to D/FW Airport's vulnerable areas. No terrorism resulted.

Still, "it created a pipeline of fraud that terrorists could use," Assistant U.S. District Attorney David Jarvis said.

In November 2002, 62 D/FW workers from various companies were arrested in Operation Tarmac. Midwest and SPC, owned by the same company, were among the businesses affected.

According to court documents, Rowell and Pitre attended meetings at Midwest between 9-11 and Nov. 20, 2002, to discuss how Rowell would provide "early warnings" to illegal immigrant employees in the event of a government raid. Pitre assisted Rowell by translating her words into Spanish.

Previously, Midwest office manager Silvia Castillowas sentenced to eight months in prison and three years of supervised release and was fined $2,000. Other defendants in the case got probation of various lengths, and one case was dropped.

Lawyers paid special attention to the wording and tone of language used in Monday's hearing. Both defense attorneys were conscious of not having their clients go to jail under the stigma of helping terrorists.

Means and the lawyers were also cognizant of the ongoing debate over immigration law on Capitol Hill.

Midwest was an example of "how a small businessperson is impacted by laws that seem to send mixed signals," said attorney Richard Anderson, who represents Midwest and SPC.

Rowell and Pitre are to report to prison by 2 p.m. June 12.

[Bronx33]

More on the Kentucky raids:

http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/9185401/detail.html

Bring em on! report the SOBs.


This is funny...

"Fischer Homes utilizes a rigorous screening process for all of its employees, including citizenship verification," the statement from Robert T. Hawksley said. "We require all subcontractors to sign a document promising they will use no illegal aliens as employees. Fischer Homes does not in any way, condone the hiring or use of illegal immigrants."

[Spider]

well if we dont shoot em , we can tap their phones ......... Messican phone company is taco bell right ?

[Old Dude]

Here comes the posse:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/10/us/10smuggle.html

[RMT]

Our government's betrayed the American public. If taxpayers treated the government the same way, we'd be tried for treason.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Its so easy to screw with Wags mind that it almost take the fun out of it......

Except when he has a complete meltdown, froths at the pie hole like a rabid pitbull, and hurls every vicious epithet and curse word known to man at you - only to follow it all up with a lecture about the immaturity of name-calling.

:D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Our government's betrayed the American public. If taxpayers treated the government the same way, we'd be tried for treason.

Bingo. :thumbsup: