What would it take for YOU as GM to pay Javon his $10 million dollar in 2007 [Archive] - The Orange Mane

freak6

05-09-2006, 03:00 PM

Just curious what our expections are for him to get his fat paydays in 07 and 08. Personally, mine are quite high.

His contract, if paid in full with the bonuses would put him only under Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss, so we should expect performance up to par.

ludo21

05-09-2006, 03:03 PM

100 or more grabs
10 or more TD's.
1k or more yards.

make the playoffs. - more of a team thing, but yeah.

Thats not too much to ask.

freak6

05-09-2006, 03:04 PM

VOTE please

yavoon

05-09-2006, 03:07 PM

all u ppl requiring big production from javon would get fired as GM's the instant u cut him. just by retrospect of the stupidity of using a high second on a player u cut after a year.

Arkansas Bronco

05-09-2006, 03:08 PM

For his first season and still rehabbing I voted for the 60 recept option. Would expect more the next year though.

Hotrod

05-09-2006, 03:09 PM

Short of his leg falling off hes gonna get paid. I voted on what I want him to get 80 for 1100 11tds and its SB time :yep:

Arkansas Bronco

05-09-2006, 03:14 PM

I voted what I thought was a reasonable goal for him. I think even trying to rehab he can grab 60 and 6 td's not so much focusing on the yardage because that may be limited due to the spead he can play at.

freak6

05-09-2006, 03:15 PM

Keep in mind...
His contract, if paid in full with the bonuses would put him only under Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss, so we should expect performance up to par.

Master___Pain

05-09-2006, 03:18 PM

Keep in mind...
His contract, if paid in full with the bonuses would put him only under Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss, so we should expect performance up to par.

No it won't...by the time the bonuses have kicked in, their will be other company in that group. (Although I understand the point you are attempting to make)

Jason in LA

05-09-2006, 03:18 PM

footstepsfrom#27

05-09-2006, 03:25 PM

What would it take for YOU as GM to pay Javon his $10 million dollar in 2007?
Half a billion in the bank.

freak6

05-09-2006, 03:31 PM

No it won't...by the time the bonuses have kicked in, their will be other company in that group. (Although I understand the point you are attempting to make)

You sure about that, Chad Johnson just extended his contract, and we are paying a guy who had one pro bowl season as the 3rd highest paid at his position, and more than Chad Johnson at that.

kamakazi_kal

05-09-2006, 03:40 PM

i expect the big play from him, nuff said.... I want YAC for that cash

Bronco LB 59

05-09-2006, 03:42 PM

freak is one of the few posters on this board who can claim that Champ Bailey nailed his bitch.

yavoon

05-09-2006, 03:44 PM

Keep in mind...
His contract, if paid in full with the bonuses would put him only under Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss, so we should expect performance up to par.

no, unless like someone else said, his leg falls off u can't cuthim. thats just admitting u wasted a ton of value.

freak6

05-09-2006, 03:50 PM

freak is one of the few posters on this board who can claim that Champ Bailey tried to nail his b****.

Fixed it for you. She's friends with those dudes. She tells me I have to be carefull what I say here but whatever. We sat in Tatum's seats at the Bronco game behind Triandis Lukes family at the Raider game. She went to a Nugget game with Tatum and her family a couple months ago. But it really sucks getting inside info and stories about these guys, I wish I'd never heard most of them. Especially about Champ...

Killericon

05-09-2006, 03:56 PM

I'd say 1000 minimum....but then again, when was the last time a #2 receiver caught 1000 yards in an offense like the one we had last year?

Hercules Rockefeller

05-09-2006, 03:57 PM

Walker is getting the 1st bonus, Shanny won't admit defeat that fast.

Walker's also not getting 1000 yds next season with that knee unless he ends up wearing #80.

freak6

05-09-2006, 03:59 PM

Walker is getting the 1st bonus, Shanny won't admit defeat that fast.

Walker's also not getting 1000 yds next season with that knee unless he ends up wearing #80.

I agree with all that. Unless we drastically open up the offense.

ludo21

05-09-2006, 04:01 PM

Fixed it for you. She's friends with those dudes. She tells me I have to be carefull what I say here but whatever. We sat in Tatum's seats at the Bronco game behind Triandis Lukes family at the Raider game. She went to a Nugget game with Tatum and her family a couple months ago. But it really sucks getting inside info and stories about these guys, I wish I'd never heard most of them. Especially about Champ...

really......

like what, pm if ya want, i wanna hear if its alright.

watermock

05-09-2006, 05:48 PM

Just alot of talk IMO.

Remember, we are getting him for practically nothing this year so money is pushed back and optional.

Second, the cap went up 20% and is going to be reflected in contracts.

broncofan

05-09-2006, 05:54 PM

Realistically...60 Catches for 6 TDs.

Between rehab and recognizing that he probably won't catch 80-100 balls in our system right now led me to believe that. However, if he stays healthy, 80 only requires that he get 5 catches a game, which is definately feasible. It's so hard to say, a lot of it depends on how efficiently our offense runs and how well Jake is able to deliver the ball to him.

yavoon

05-09-2006, 05:55 PM

good thread to bring back up if javon doesn't meet these requirements. like to see how many are still calling for his head.

watermock

05-09-2006, 05:57 PM

65-70 catches, 7 TD's. Hey, it's 700% more than Lelie got or something like that.

Cito Pelon

05-09-2006, 07:24 PM

The RMN said today, "According to [Walker's agent, Kennard] McGuire, no clauses were inserted into the contract as protection against a future issue with the knee."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4684464,00.html

Have to wait and see if that's correct. Anybody heard any corroboration?

Walker could have a less than stellar year and they still keep him around. There's always the "knee isn't 100% yet" fallback. Very risky contract in my mind if there's no provisions to recoup some bonus money if that knee swells and has to be drained every week before the game.

Spider

05-09-2006, 07:35 PM

comming off an ACL .... for me to pay him 10 mill . a freaking miracle ......

SoCalBronco

05-09-2006, 07:41 PM

yavoon raises a good point. He will have to be a complete and utter bust for him not to get the bonus. The stigma attached to basically burning a 2 is real. They wont let him go after giving away a near first in a deep draft. NFL folks arent comfortable with the concept of sunk costs.

Arkie

05-09-2006, 08:11 PM

I misunderstood the question. I'm expecting 85 catches, 1300 yards, 12 TDs a season for that kind of money, but I would let him go as low as 60-900-6.

broncohaven

05-09-2006, 08:19 PM

For his first season and still rehabbing I voted for the 60 recept option. Would expect more the next year though.
My sentiments exactly. I'm more interested in TDs than total grabs and yardage. Lelie gave us 1, so i think 5 while getting back to 100% would be enough for me to re-up. I'd expect him to double that in 2007.

Vegas_Bronco

05-09-2006, 09:35 PM

This thread just proves it! The Broncos front end is finally listening and consulting with the OM think tank and I am honored to say....

Just do better than Lelie, don't whine like Owens, stay healthy and play like Rod and most importantly....win the SB!

listopencil

05-09-2006, 11:56 PM

Is the bonus paid in 07 based on stats from 06 or 07?

Atlas

05-10-2006, 12:03 AM

Since Denver gave up a second round draft pick for him as long as he is healthy and a good teammate he gets his bonus money.

Ballhawk

05-10-2006, 07:09 AM

Since Denver gave up a second round draft pick for him as long as he is healthy and a good teammate he gets his bonus money.

I don't know about that. Shanny has shown that if he is not pleased with production he will cut the ties. He cut Griese despite a cap hit that was more of a setback than any bust 2nd rounder would be. He cut loose MOC because he saw that was a mistake. I just do not see him paying the bonus if Walker turns out to be Anthony Miller. Another thing to weigh in is how guys like Terrell and others play this year. If a couple guys really step up and give you equal play as Walker, do you pay the guy? If say Terrell and Marshall play lights out, I would have no problem letting JW go and spending that money in other areas.

That being said I expect 65/900/6 at best from the guy this year. The question will be if Shanny thinks those numbers reflect his talent lvl or the fact he is coming off injury and learning a new system.

Rock Chalk

05-10-2006, 07:13 AM

Javon Walker will never be worth a 10 million dollar signing bonus on Denver's offense.

That doesnt mean he wont get it, just that he will never be worth it.

watermock

05-10-2006, 07:27 AM

It's a 10 million dollar option bonus. It will likely be moved to prorated signing bonus. His small first year is because were are still tight against the cap and because of his ACL recovery.

Ballhawk

05-10-2006, 08:00 AM

I still think the biggest mistake Shanny has ever made was letting Sharpe go to Baltimore. He should have just paid the guy. Sharpe was a guy that opposing Ds had to game plan to stop. He made it so our offense could dictate what the opposition had to do. If we had Sharpe instead of Baltimore it may have been us in the SB.

Is Javon Walker that type of guy? Will D Cordinators spend hours trying to figure out a way to stop him? I doubt it, and if Im right then he is not worth this much cash, but that is the price you pay for not being able to develop a WR on your own.

watermock

05-10-2006, 08:15 AM

You folks are setting yourselves up for dissapointment. They aren't going to rush him. If his rushed and knee starts swelling we are in trouble. He will also have to learn to trust the knee again, learn the system and regain his speed.

BroncoInferno

05-10-2006, 08:18 AM

I still think the biggest mistake Shanny has ever made was letting Sharpe go to Baltimore. He should have just paid the guy. Sharpe was a guy that opposing Ds had to game plan to stop. He made it so our offense could dictate what the opposition had to do. If we had Sharpe instead of Baltimore it may have been us in the SB.

We were not going to the SB with the god awful defense of 2000. I mean, that defense just plain stunk.

Hotrod

05-10-2006, 08:48 AM

comming off an ACL .... for me to pay him 10 mill . a freaking miracle ......

Ya but like your wife says your a cheap bastage ;) Oh and out of all us married slobs you can prolly least afford to forget mothers day this year :)

Spider

05-10-2006, 09:12 AM

Ya but like your wife says your a cheap bastage ;) Oh and out of all us married slobs you can prolly least afford to forget mothers day this year :)
LOL , thanks for reminding me

defenseman

05-10-2006, 09:21 AM

10 million? Lots of dinero....He better put up good numbers in the end....dman

fontaine

05-10-2006, 09:28 AM

Given our recent draft history in WR busts (in every and any round),

Rod's impending retirement,

and Lelie's tantrums,

I will say that paying Walker that bonus is as much paying for mistakes of the past.

watermock

05-10-2006, 09:42 AM

We always complain about contracts, that's why they are hammered out by adversaries for weeks. This is not an obsene contract. Walker was checked out and is ahead of schedule. The 10 million will be converted if he fully recovers into signing bonus. In another year, if he is kikin' ass, he will get another 5 million. I know it's obsene, but it's just the way it is.

freak6

08-20-2006, 09:12 PM

over 60% of us are expecting huge #'s out of Javon Walker, or else we would not pay him his bonuses as they currently are structured in the new deal we signed him to.

As of right now I don't see this guy coming close to producing a 1000 yard season, especially with Jake at QB. No hard feelings towards Jake, but he is in a conservative offense where the HC doesn't trust him enough to fling it 30 times a game.

Saddletramp

08-20-2006, 09:13 PM

85 catches 1400 yards, 14 tds

a hell of a lot more than this, thats for sure

DenverBrit

08-20-2006, 10:50 PM

Depends on how some of the young receivers play this year.
If Marshall and Watts come through big time, I'd want to sit Javon down and renegotiate some of the money.
Of course, that would be assuming that his TDs are meaningful.
One of these years, the Broncos will strike 'receiver' gold via the draft. This year?

ZONA

08-20-2006, 10:54 PM

From what I've read on the character of Javon, he's going to bust his butt to excel in every area, like blocking, as well as catching. Plus, I think he'll put up better numbers next year. A full year to heal that ACL and get used to the sytem and possibly be the #1 receiver depending if Smith stays playing. I've seen plenty of his games with GB and this guy is a gamer, let me tell you. He will do well here and he will get his 10 million.

Taco John

08-20-2006, 11:00 PM

Javon will likely fill Lelie's role in the offense, clearing out the underneath routes. I'll be suprised if his production doubles Lelie's and he finishes the season with 80 catches. I'm expecting somewhere around 60. I *do* think Javon will be better in the red zone than Lelie, so I'm hoping he can pick up 5 or 6 TDs.

freak6

08-20-2006, 11:04 PM

So I'm hoping he can pick up 5 or 6 TDs.

That is the amount Ashley could have had if only...

Taco John

08-20-2006, 11:06 PM

If only he was better in the red zone.

I don't like Plummer's deep ball, but I'm not confused about Ashley's problem there.

Arkie

08-20-2006, 11:12 PM

That is the amount Ashley could have had if only...

....he had Cutler as QB. (5 bombs and a 5-yarder)

Clockwork Orange

08-20-2006, 11:13 PM

I *do* think Javon will be better in the red zone than Lelie

He couldn't possibly be worse.

ward63

08-20-2006, 11:49 PM

He gets a thousand yards and 5-10 TD's. Also, I think that he'll be willing to restructure...I hope.

BroncoMan4ever

08-20-2006, 11:55 PM

I wouldn't want to put numbers on this. If the offense is working, then they are running the ball a lot. That's going to limit his production.

When they need to go to him, I want to see him make plays, just ike Rod Smith. I don't need to see huge numbers. Just as long as he produces in the flow of the offense, I'm happy.

Hell yea, although thoughts of the year Eddie had 101catches and Rod had 100 is in the back of my mind as a possibility, although that year had the team had a legit 3rd receiver both would have been in the mid 80's in catches.

ward63

08-21-2006, 02:30 AM

IMO, one way or another, Javon's going to make his plays and make the money he deserves. Just b/c he has a consistent guy on the other side in Rod, so they're likely going to double one of them, leaving the other one-on-one and then there's also a 3rd WR or TE that'll come into play. What I'm saying is...he may not have the stats for the money he's gonna get, but he'll be worth it in the difference he'll be making.

freak6

08-21-2006, 02:42 AM

Hell yea, although thoughts of the year Eddie had 101catches and Rod had 100 is in the back of my mind as a possibility, although that year had the team had a legit 3rd receiver both would have been in the mid 80's in catches.

They did have a legit 3rd reciever. Sharpe. Unless he was with Bmore during that season. Anyway, I am looking for Scheffler to have a huge season if and when Javon proves he is a real threat.

watermock

08-21-2006, 04:51 AM

It's a 5 year deal for 42 million. I think he might of gotten 10 million in bonus. Denver paid his roster bonus for this year.

I remember when Canseco signed for 3 million over 3 years and jaws dropped so nothing surprises me now. We need excellent dumpster divers and we seem to need more.

The idea that he's getting 10 million next year I don't know the exact contract, but I think he signed an extension that gives him a new signing bonus. 10m is not at all unsual as a signing bonus for an elite player.

Drek

08-21-2006, 08:35 AM

I don't see how we opt out after this season, unless he's totally ineffective.

My bet on what will happen 75 catches, 850 yards, 5-8 TDs, we restructure in the off-season to spread that money out over the contract and Javon is here for the life of the deal.

freak6

10-15-2006, 08:47 PM

20 catches for 388 and 2 TDs so far.

Extrapolates to 64 catches 1241 yards 6 TDs.

Tatum is having a good year. The O-line is protecting well.

But why aren't we scoring pts???

hmm....

Back to Javon Walker. As you look over the recaps of every game, it is all Javon on offense. The guy is making every play for us on offense. Jake has got to get better for us to have a shot against real competition coming up like the Chargers twice, the Colts, and the Bengals.

Clockwork Orange

11-05-2006, 07:48 PM

Update.

At the halfway point, Javon is on pace for 78 catches, 1338 yards and 10 TD's.

BroncoFanCam

11-05-2006, 07:55 PM

What would it take for YOU as GM to pay Javon his $10 million dollar in 2007

A pen to sign the check with.

Clockwork Orange

11-05-2006, 07:56 PM

I *do* think Javon will be better in the red zone than Lelie, so I'm hoping he can pick up 5 or 6 TDs.

Done and done. :thumbs:

Turf Shaman

11-05-2006, 07:57 PM

Would anyone trade Walker straight up for any other receiver in this league right now? I sure wouldn't.

youcandoit1687

11-05-2006, 08:02 PM

Would anyone trade Walker straight up for any other receiver in this league right now? I sure wouldn't.

thats a tough one, there arent many, thats for sure. the only other receiver who i would say is having a season on the same level is torry holt. javon was easily worth the 37th pick. rookie of the year

freak6

11-05-2006, 08:04 PM

Would anyone trade Walker straight up for any other receiver in this league right now? I sure wouldn't.

Hell no. Guy is unbelievable.

OrangeShadow

11-05-2006, 08:07 PM

Would anyone trade Walker straight up for any other receiver in this league right now? I sure wouldn't.

no i honestly dont think i would trade him for any WR. and that being said id pay the man now