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Clockwork Orange
06-06-2006, 02:07 PM
LeBron is definately his own player. He's an explosive power player that reminds me alot of Dominique Wilkins, but with more strength, unmatchable court vision, great ball handles, and a complete game. The kid is just a freak. He's like Nowitzki...there is no answer for what he brings. Whenever either of those guys decide to take control, there is nothing that an opponent can do about it. I think that they are the only two guys in the league that present that problem.

When it's all said and done, LeBron might be the best player of all-time.

The craziest thing about Lebron is that he had an NBA ready body when he was a senior in high school. A lot of kids have insane talent at that age (which he also had), but many of them are rail thin and need time to bulk up. Lebron was built like a brick house even before he set foot on an NBA floor, which is a serious rarity.

Northman
06-06-2006, 02:10 PM
The craziest thing about Lebron is that he had an NBA ready body when he was a senior in high school. A lot of kids have insane talent at that age (which he also had), but many of them are rail thin and need time to bulk up. Lebron was built like a brick house even before he set foot on an NBA floor, which is a serious rarity.


Not only that but his demeanor is outstanding for a player as young as he is. He doesnt get caught up in the hype and seems to stay cool under the pressure. Thats the biggest shock for me.

epicSocialism4tw
06-06-2006, 02:20 PM
James has the complete package, and then has the wow factor on top of that. If he ever becomes as driven as Jordan was, he should have no problem dominating the league.

epicSocialism4tw
06-08-2006, 12:08 PM
Fans of the Dallas Mavericks, Miami Heat, and the NBA...the Finals are here. Tonight at 8pm, the Heat will challenge the Mavericks at American Airlines Center in Dallas. All of the DFW metroplex is abuzz with excitement and anticipation. There are stickers and flags on cars, "GO MAVS!" signs in yards and at businesses, talk radio is all-Mavs all-the-time. This event is huge in North Texas.


Let's get to the preview of Game 1....

1) Shaq will not dominate the series.
Shaq will have one or two games where he scores 30+ points and has 10-15 rebounds. He will be challenged to play defense in this series, and will be forced to run up and down the floor. If he's not able to keep up, I wouldnt be surprised to see him rendered useless for long stretches. Conventional "wisdom" says that you cant force Shaq to do anything, but if you take a look at his numbers in the playoffs and over the course of the regular season, you have to see that he only plays about 32-34 minutes a game. That means that he's on the bench for 14-16 minutes a game. That's a whole quarter and some change. Shaq's health is not what it used to be and a fast paced Dallas attack will run him into the floor. Mark my words, this series will not be about Shaq in reality, but it will be in the media. Well then, what will the series be about?

2) It's Dirk Nowitzki's time to shine.
Dirk has simply been the #1 player in the world during the playoffs. He's made legendary plays and had legendary games. It seems like it's just his year. In the pre-game interviews, I have heard a Nowitzki who has never been so confident and clearly focused. He has waited his life for this moment, and it sounds like he is going to take the bull by the horns.

Miami is depending on Udonis Haslem, James Posey, Antoine Walker, and Shandon Anderson to slow down Dirk. Take another look at that list. Is there anyone on there with the man-on-man skills of Shane Battier, Paul Gasol, Bruce Bowen, Tim Duncan, Shawn Marion, or Raja Bell? None of those guys could come close to containing Dirk in any way. Dirk's entire offensive game has remained in tact throughout the run of the playoffs and against every defender. I wouldnt expect any defender to handle Dirk for the Heat throughout the series. If Dirk has a bad game, it's Dirk's fault. With the timbre of his interviews, Dirk sounds ready to open up a can on Miami.

3) Rebounding.
Both teams will be reliant on their rebounding skills in this series. Miami will have to adjust to having Haslem, Walker, or Posey away from the rim on defense. One of them will be covering Nowitzki in the high post. Nowitzki's presence on the elbow with the ball opens up space for Dallas' outstanding rebounders to attack the offensive glass. Dampier, Howard, Griffin, and Van Horn will be called on to regain possession off of misses. Miami will have to have a VERY active Shaq under the basket. He'll have to box out, rebound, or block shots when Dallas' guards penetrate. With all of these angles closing on Shaq, I wouldnt be suprised to see him in foul trouble often throughout the series. Dallas is fast and athletic and will attack Shaq. Shaq cant be lazy for a minute or it will be a short series. Shaq is no Duncan.

epicSocialism4tw
06-08-2006, 12:48 PM
NBA Finals Quiz:
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/quiz?event_id=2213

I got 7 of 10.

Nuggets4
06-08-2006, 01:37 PM
9 out of 10. Damn 2003 Spurs.

CoopDawg
06-08-2006, 05:23 PM
Mavs are deeper, younger, and hungier.

The Heat are pretty hungry. Zo and Payton coming off the bench are both absolutely desperate to get a ring and have a sense of urgency. They know that this is probably their last chance to get the monkey off their back. Shaq wants to be able to prove to the Lakers his ability to win without Kobe. The franchise has never one a title and Pat Riley also wants to solidify his place in NBA lore. Along with other vetrans who haven't won it yet Walker, Williams, and Posey. That is not even mentioning Wade . . .

Sassy
06-08-2006, 09:04 PM
This is a heck of a game...Not sure why I'm watching it though! LOL!

Sassy
06-08-2006, 09:06 PM
WHy do they have to show TO and ruin it?
LOL...wearing a Heat jersey and Mavs cap...way to show love for Dallas!

Sassy
06-08-2006, 09:46 PM
Dang...anyone watching this?
Even Wade is missing now...
3 pt. game

Bob's your Information Minister
06-08-2006, 10:17 PM
Mavs clearly outclassed the Heat tonight. Image what they'll do if Howard and Dirk start playing.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-08-2006, 11:12 PM
The Leastern Conference rears its ugly head once again. Don't they teach these guys how to play basketball? Payton never leaves the perimeter. Wade has his 2-3 favorite spots on the floor (but is still a badass). Shaq does his thing. Walker couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Where was all the hype for Miami? I didn't see it tonight.

epicSocialism4tw
06-08-2006, 11:55 PM
WHy do they have to show TO and ruin it?
LOL...wearing a Heat jersey and Mavs cap...way to show love for Dallas!

The locals in the metroplex are in full Mav fever mode. This guy just made things worse for himself. Not very smart, but what do you expect from that guy?

freak6
06-09-2006, 10:50 AM
That was a really good game, the Mavs finally ran them out of the gym. That first quarter was kind of crazy, I told the gf that it wouldn't last, and as soon as the Heat cooled off it was over. But the Mavs should have blown them out in the 3rd, not the 4th.

I still don't get how anyone can let D.Wade go right, I would force him left EVERY time, you have to shade him to make him go left, otherwise he scores or gets the line, he is just to quick with that hesitation dribble. Other than that, the Mavs played pretty good.

Shaq missing free throws killed the Heat, nevertheless, if I'm Pat Riley, I get Shaq 50 touches on offense next game. It's thier only hope, the Mavs can't hold the big fella.

epicSocialism4tw
06-09-2006, 11:22 AM
That was a really good game, the Mavs finally ran them out of the gym. That first quarter was kind of crazy, I told the gf that it wouldn't last, and as soon as the Heat cooled off it was over. But the Mavs should have blown them out in the 3rd, not the 4th.

I still don't get how anyone can let D.Wade go right, I would force him left EVERY time, you have to shade him to make him go left, otherwise he scores or gets the line, he is just to quick with that hesitation dribble. Other than that, the Mavs played pretty good.

Shaq missing free throws killed the Heat, nevertheless, if I'm Pat Riley, I get Shaq 50 touches on offense next game. It's thier only hope, the Mavs can't hold the big fella.

The opening quarter might have been the worst set of fortuitous events that could happen for Miami. When Antoine Walker is "feeling it", you might as well throw in the towel. With that said, a team is not going to shoot 60-70% for a series. You have to get stops and execute when it matters. Dallas was the team that executed when it mattered.

Nice observation on Wade. He really cant drive left at all. If you'll notice, every play that they set up is run for the strong side. After Wade's hot start, he ended up the game shooting well under 50% at 11-25.

Shaq is going to miss his free throws. That's just part of Shaq's game. He's a worse foul shooter than Dampier. On that note, Shaq got several touches against Dampier and Diop. He just wasnt shooting. He would look to set up the offense from the post and try to dish off from the block to cutters or back out to the perimeter. He was able to get where he wanted against Diop, but had a tougher time against Damp. By the fourth quarter, Shaq was having to battle for position against Damp farther and farther from the basket. Shaq ran out of gas because the Mavs made him work.

The Big E
06-09-2006, 11:35 AM
I think Miami blew a good chance to take a game, and since they didn't, they're in trouble. The Mavs can play a lot better, and I suspect they'll come out more relaxed and confident in Game 2, and play at a higher level.

It was surprising that Dallas ended the half ahead, considering the way they came out of the gate. Terry did a great job of carrying them when the rest of the team was tossing up bricks.

epicSocialism4tw
06-09-2006, 11:58 AM
It was surprising that Dallas ended the half ahead, considering the way they came out of the gate. Terry did a great job of carrying them when the rest of the team was tossing up bricks.

No doubt...I'm still having nightmares of Josh Howard setting up for open jumpers.

freak6
06-09-2006, 11:58 AM
Wade can go left, but he rarely uses his left hand to shoot or lay the ball in. When forced left, he often will jab step to create space because he is right handed and then shoot a fading jumper that you can challenge and he is inconsistent with. If he does go left hard to the rim you have help defense there, it's just crazy to play him straight up like Harris was trying to do. As a defender you have got to take the advantage away from him, and force him to his weakside.

Totally agree on Walker, that guy was getting lucky in the first quarter, that buzzer beater was a joke, I wasn't even concerned with that large lead in the first.

I don't think Shaq ran out of gas last night, I think that the Heat didn't go to him enough consistently. I was pretty suprised at the turnovers the Mavs had, Howard had me scratching my head.

When Avery Johnson told them "It's about team, team team team, trust your teammates" they really got it, started moving the ball around again, bang Terry gets a couple open looks because the Mavs made the extra pass, and the lead grew. I was impressed by that. It was simple, but what he said seemed to have sunk in and played out on the floor.

epicSocialism4tw
06-09-2006, 12:45 PM
When Avery Johnson told them "It's about team, team team team, trust your teammates" they really got it, started moving the ball around again, bang Terry gets a couple open looks because the Mavs made the extra pass, and the lead grew. I was impressed by that. It was simple, but what he said seemed to have sunk in and played out on the floor.

That's been the story of the season. Dallas has played team ball all season long. When the team struggles to score, Dirk has taken the bull by the Horns and put them over the edge. Terry did that for Dirk last night. Great game by Jet. He's a good guy and you love to see good guys come out shining.

Shaq touched the ball on at least 75% of the posessions he was on the floor. The problem with Shaq is that he needs alot of rest now. If you play him 40 minutes, he's useless in the fourth. Also, Riley is going to try to get Wade going too and you need to isolate Wade to get him to the basket. That's going to keep the ball out of Shaq's hands. Shaq needs to do more than just score though. Nowitzki had an equally poor scoring outing and still contributed by getting in passing lanes and running at shooters on defense. He set some guys up for easy buckets and rebounded well. Shaq has to do those types of things for the Heat to win. Dallas' guards are going to sprint right by Miami's perimeter defenders. Shaq has to block shots without fouling, or make people miss in there and then rebound the ball. It looks like he and Riley are saving his energy for the offensive end though. If that's the case and Shaq cant be a two-way player (and cant play more than 35 minutes), then Miami is in trouble. Dallas has two strong bigs that will make him work on offense, and make him worry about boxing out on the defensive end too.

Sassy
06-09-2006, 05:03 PM
Wade, Shaq and the Heat had the opportunities...they just couldn't cash in at the end. The Mav D came to play.

epicSocialism4tw
06-10-2006, 11:04 AM
Dirk smashes O'Neal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrQzRBcrCts&search=dirk%20nowitzki

Bob's your Information Minister
06-11-2006, 08:34 PM
StackHOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!

JAPS
06-11-2006, 08:44 PM
Stackhouse on fire, you gotta be kidding me. Such is life for le Heat

ZachKC
06-11-2006, 08:58 PM
Hahahaha

WaffleBoy
06-11-2006, 09:03 PM
Where the hell is D-Wade at? 2 shots attempts in the last period of game 1 when the score stayed at 79-84. This game, D-Wade is still on 7 shot attempts.

The Boy Wonder :super:

Bob's your Information Minister
06-11-2006, 09:22 PM
E. Dampier: 6 pts, 9 boards

Shaq: 5 pts, 6 boards

Bob's your Information Minister
06-11-2006, 10:45 PM
Shaq poses for the camera while Devin Harris scores:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5039/shaq1ql1bv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bob's your Information Minister
06-11-2006, 10:48 PM
Gay Mavs?

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7581/gaymavs4dg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bob's your Information Minister
06-11-2006, 10:51 PM
Gay Dirk?

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3233/gaydirk7um.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2006, 11:25 PM
Awesome. Dirk is back, Dallas is in pole position.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-11-2006, 11:53 PM
Miami is a ****ing joke.

Al Wilson
06-12-2006, 12:00 AM
**** the Mavs and the Heat. #1 lotto pick baby

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2006, 12:07 AM
Miami is a ****ing joke.

Can you believe that Shaq was dominated by Erick Dampier? Erick Dampier! It's so sweet to see this happen because Damp works hard and is a committed team player. Also because of all of the insults that Shaq hurled at Damp over the past couple of seasons.

Get this Shaq...you were just dominated by Erick Dampier in the NBA Finals! Ha! :strong:

Shaq: 5 points 6 rebounds 0 blocks 0 steals
Damp: 6 points 13 rebounds 1 block 1 steal

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2006, 02:06 AM
Mock him as much as you like, but Cuban is the best owner in the NBA for his franchise's fans. From the Dallas Morning News:


Cuban hints at free ticket giveaway



09:47 PM CDT on Sunday, June 11, 2006


By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News
If the NBA Finals extends to seven games, Mavericks fans could be handed free tickets.
Owner Mark Cuban said before Sunday's Game 2 that the estimated 1,400 available tickets for a potential Game 7 in Dallas could be given away to fans in a lottery format.
Game 7, if necessary, would be Thursday, June 22.
"Instead of putting them on sale and then having people sell them and resell them, we would use it like winning the lottery," Cuban said. "We're looking at a way where we're working with some of our partners [to] just give them away."
A firm decision to hold the lottery hasn't been made.
Cuban is concerned that people buy tickets to resell them to scalpers, who then resell the tickets above face value.
The ticket giveaway would not affect season-ticket holders, Cuban said, because they are already guaranteed a seat.
"Of course it has to go seven games," Cuban said. "It's kind of a thank you. It's the ultimate game of the season, and the ultimate thank you."

Pendejo
06-12-2006, 02:09 AM
Can you believe that Shaq was dominated by Erick Dampier? Erick Dampier! It's so sweet to see this happen because Damp works hard and is a committed team player. Also because of all of the insults that Shaq hurled at Damp over the past couple of seasons.

Get this Shaq...you were just dominated by Erick Dampier in the NBA Finals! Ha! :strong:

Shaq: 5 points 6 rebounds 0 blocks 0 steals
Damp: 6 points 13 rebounds 1 block 1 steal

It's been over a decade since I've been an NBA fan...but hasn't Dampier always played O'Neal tough?

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2006, 08:04 AM
It's been over a decade since I've been an NBA fan...but hasn't Dampier always played O'Neal tough?

Yeah, he has. He always makes him work hard to get position on the block and boxes him out well.

GonzoLays
06-12-2006, 10:38 AM
Gay Mavs?

Gay Dirk?

Dallas is in pole position.

You two boys need to calm down.

RhymesayersDU
06-12-2006, 10:44 AM
I'll admit, I've always loved taking shots at Dampier, and loved what Shaq used to say about him... But Erick Dampier stepped up huge and outplayed Shaq. Major credit due to the big man.

freak6
06-12-2006, 10:45 AM
Mavs are dominating. I still can't believe they lost the first quarter again though.

Master___Pain
06-12-2006, 10:48 AM
Get out the brooms Mav fans, the Heat are finished. When Dampier is outplaying Shaq, you know you've got issues.

Maybe Dirk will finally get a shoe deal and be uber hyped by ESPN now?

rbackfactory80
06-12-2006, 10:55 AM
They held home court and Miami still had a chance to win game 1. Don't count you chickens yet mavs fans.

freak6
06-12-2006, 10:56 AM
How is Dallas shutting down the Heat, and the Pistons could not?

rbackfactory80
06-12-2006, 11:00 AM
How is Dallas shutting down the Heat, and the Pistons could not?

Effort

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2006, 11:05 AM
How is Dallas shutting down the Heat, and the Pistons could not?

Dallas is better than Detroit. Plain and simple. Better post defenders for Shaq and better guard defenders for Wade.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2006, 11:06 AM
Maybe Dirk will finally get a shoe deal and be uber hyped by ESPN now?

that will never happen.

Northman
06-12-2006, 11:08 AM
How is Dallas shutting down the Heat, and the Pistons could not?


Unlike the Pistons, the Mavs can actually shoot the ball. Pistons couldnt buy a bucket in their series with the Heat. And dont get to overhyped about Dampier's play on Snak. Snak is done and should be put out of his misery.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-12-2006, 11:13 AM
They held home court and Miami still had a chance to win game 1. Don't count you chickens yet mavs fans.

What game were you watching? Miami won the rebounding and turnover numbers, Dirk and Howard combined to shoot 25% and Dallas STILL won by 10 points. The chickens have been counted. Miami is a joke.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2006, 12:57 PM
Dallas is certainly the better team. A loss in this series would be a monumental collapse.

After the first two games, I would consider Miami the 4th best team that Dallas has played.

My final NBA rankings:
1. Dallas
2. San Antonio

(non elite, but competitive)
3. Phoenix
4. Detroit
5. LA Clipps

(competitive)
6. Memphis
7. Miami

Nuggets4
06-12-2006, 02:30 PM
Dallas is certainly the better team. A loss in this series would be a monumental collapse.

After the first two games, I would consider Miami the 4th best team that Dallas has played.

My final NBA rankings:
1. Dallas
2. San Antonio

(non elite, but competitive)
3. Phoenix
4. Detroit
5. LA Clipps

(competitive)
6. Memphis
7. Miami

Memphis is a joke. The Nugs would have beat the Grizzlies, and we suck ass.

BTW, Miami BEAT DetRiot. Therefore, I think they should at least be #4.

rbackfactory80
06-12-2006, 03:07 PM
What game were you watching? Miami won the rebounding and turnover numbers, Dirk and Howard combined to shoot 25% and Dallas STILL won by 10 points. The chickens have been counted. Miami is a joke.

I was watching the game that was 6 points with about 4 minutes left. On the road at Dallas that hardly qualifies for a blowout.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-12-2006, 04:18 PM
No one ever said it was a blowout but with the way Miami was playing, 6 points might as well have been 50.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2006, 12:43 PM
No one ever said it was a blowout but with the way Miami was playing, 6 points might as well have been 50.

No doubt. Dallas played their worst game of the postseason in that game and still won by 10. Miami is in trouble.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2006, 12:54 PM
Memphis is a joke. The Nugs would have beat the Grizzlies, and we suck ass.
BTW, Miami BEAT DetRiot. Therefore, I think they should at least be #4.

Im confident that Memphis would have taken care of the Nuggets pretty quickly. They have a post scorer/defender and oodles of great athletes and scorers. They also had a solid coach who got top quality effort out of his players. Memphis always played Dallas tough in that series. Dallas was just a better team. Remember, Memphis had the fourth-best record in the west. They had a better record than the Nuggets and the Clippers.

Essentially, Dallas beat the top 3 teams in the west beside themselves on their way to the finals.

On Miami...
I just dont see it. Maybe they'll put together a nice game or two in the finals and make it close. Maybe they wont. From what Ive seen, Miami is nowhere near the competitive level of either of the three teams that Dallas has faced. That includes Memphis.

Nuggets4
06-13-2006, 01:14 PM
Im confident that Memphis would have taken care of the Nuggets pretty quickly. They have a post scorer/defender and oodles of great athletes and scorers. They also had a solid coach who got top quality effort out of his players. Memphis always played Dallas tough in that series. Dallas was just a better team. Remember, Memphis had the fourth-best record in the west. They had a better record than the Nuggets and the Clippers.

If you're going to go by record, your list is still incorrect then. Memphis was not the fourth best team in the West, no matter what anyone says. They looked lost out there in teh playoffs. The biggest surprise to me in the Dallas-Memphis series was that Dallas didn't blow them out in all four games.

Memphis is the most overrated team in the league. There's not a doubt in my mind that they would have lost to every other team in the Western Conference playoffs.

freak6
06-13-2006, 03:33 PM
I still don't think Dallas is playing close to its best basketball. They have let downs and are inconsistent over 48 minutes. I'd hate to see them put it all together for a full 48, because they would be unstoppable if you take out some of those stupid turnovers.

24champ
06-13-2006, 04:52 PM
Im intrigued to see how Shaq and Wade will play tonight after two really disappointing games. Part of it was Wade not 100% but Dallas deserves credit for the good defense they play. Tonight it is a must win and far as im concerned they must win every game at home in this series or they are toast IMO.

Sassy
06-13-2006, 09:39 PM
Wow...total control for the Heat until the 3rd. What the heck happened.
I should have said Dallas in four.

alkemical
06-13-2006, 09:59 PM
mia is M.I.A.

Sassy
06-13-2006, 09:59 PM
Heat are coming back.... down by 3 1:30 to go.

Sassy
06-13-2006, 10:00 PM
1 point game! WADE!

Sassy
06-13-2006, 10:01 PM
Steal, stripped , foul.
Wade has 41 on a bum knee.
Tie game.
2nd free throw...Miami by 1

Sassy
06-13-2006, 10:05 PM
Can't hit it...Rebound Heat.
Posey at the line...
LET'S GO HEAT!

Sassy
06-13-2006, 10:10 PM
1.4 FOUL for Wade....
What a finish...Come on Wade...don't give them a shot...
Heat by one.
He makes it.
Heat by two.

Missed the 2nd.
TO. Dallas.
One second Dallas down by two.

HEAT !!! What a finish!

Why am I watching this? When's football ;D
Wade is a stud though.
Miami's back in it.

ZachKC
06-13-2006, 10:13 PM
Cool, at least it made this series interesting for Dallas on the way to a Mavs title.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-13-2006, 10:17 PM
Wade had an amazing game. He refused to let his team lose. That was pretty cool to watch.

Sassy
06-13-2006, 10:21 PM
Wade had an amazing game. He refused to let his team lose. That was pretty cool to watch.
That shot by Peyton was cool, too...and Shaq actually came through on a couple of ft's.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-13-2006, 11:29 PM
Mavs came up short in the 4th and couldn't match Miami's best effort. Does anyone honestly believe Miami can come out like this every night for the rest of the series?

Sassy
06-13-2006, 11:42 PM
Wade was whipped at the end of that game.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-14-2006, 12:01 AM
Don't believe that. Guy acts like he's on the verge of death every game.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-14-2006, 05:21 AM
Dan Crawford Strikes Again.

The moving screen call on Dirk with 3 minutes left was classic Crawford.

He's the NBA's secret weapon. It was a lock that he'd ref tonight.

6 minutes left: 8 fouls called on Dallas, 3 on Miami

You want to believe it was all Dallas' fault, they let up, they choked ... whatever. They were up by 11, Miami was then given a huge officiating advantage. This game should never have been close. It would not have been if someone else reffed it.

Crawford has been the referee in a Dallas playoff game 12 times. The only one we were able to win was the one where Dirk scored 22 in the fourth quarter. That's what it takes to beat Dan Crawford.

DAN CRAWFORD = RIGGED GAME

24champ
06-14-2006, 12:57 PM
Hey I didnt like the officiating either, the technical on Wade was BS and then a couple plays later Dampier was hanging off the rim and no T? Refs were inconsistant in this game but that moving screen bob was the right call.

Northman
06-14-2006, 01:07 PM
Mavs came up short in the 4th and couldn't match Miami's best effort. Does anyone honestly believe Miami can come out like this every night for the rest of the series?


Stranger things have happened.

Lidderer
06-14-2006, 01:48 PM
So Angryllama...about that whole clutch thing?

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2006, 01:59 PM
So Angryllama...about that whole clutch thing?


Dirk has been the top clutch performer in the regular season and the playoffs without a doubt. I'll forgive him one free throw.

Lidderer
06-14-2006, 09:08 PM
Dirk has been the top clutch performer in the regular season and the playoffs without a doubt. I'll forgive him one free throw.

but wait isn't a free-throw basically the easiest single shot in all of basketball? And wouldn't the most salient example of a clutch situation be NBA FINALS, UNDER 5 seconds left, Down by 1, Shooting a Free-throw?

Are you suggesting he didn't 'choke' so much as simply miss a the second free-throw of his last 27 attempts, which is on par with how he shoots in all situations?

Cause I'd agree.

Northman
06-14-2006, 10:25 PM
Dirk has been the top clutch performer in the regular season and the playoffs without a doubt. I'll forgive him one free throw.


Jordan wouldnt have missed that. :P

Sassy
06-15-2006, 08:25 PM
Bringing the HEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTT!!!!
Miami is playing "ticked" tonight.

The Big E
06-15-2006, 09:07 PM
Mavs down 17 in the 3rd. Things sure can change quickly, going from minutes away from an insurmountable 3-0 lead, to getting pounded for a possible 2-2 series.

Oooh, nice flagrant by Stackhouse on Shaq. Sweet.

Sassy
06-15-2006, 09:11 PM
Shaq bugs me...But I'm a Wade fan.

Sassy
06-15-2006, 09:18 PM
I love this. The Heat got down 2-0 and decided they wanted to take it to 7 ;D LOL! Or that they just wanted to give Dallas a small chance! They are playing like the better team tonight.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-15-2006, 09:30 PM
This game is not over.

The Big E
06-15-2006, 09:32 PM
Whaddya' think, Sassy? Did the Mavs wake up? They certainly haven't played up to their ability yet in this series, but they'd better start now.

Sassy
06-15-2006, 09:33 PM
They are playing better now...

ro_50
06-15-2006, 09:34 PM
I still cant believe how Dirk has set the record for most FT attempts in one playoffs, even over MJ.

Unbelievable.

The Big E
06-15-2006, 09:35 PM
This game is not over.
No doubt. Dallas definitely has the type of game to overcome big deficits, and they've already taken a nice chunk out of the lead.

Sassy
06-15-2006, 09:35 PM
Wade Rocks!

ro_50
06-15-2006, 09:39 PM
Dirk getting credited for playing though a minor ankle tweak, now thats the stuff of legends.

Sassy
06-15-2006, 09:40 PM
Miami better not blow a 19 point lead like Dallas blew a 13 point lead the other night.

-Slap-
06-15-2006, 09:42 PM
Dirk has been the top clutch performer in the regular season and the playoffs without a doubt. I'll forgive him one free throw.
So, Mr C H O K E goes 2-14 and then falls back on the old playoff ankle routine again.......Hilarious!

The Real Mr Clutch

http://www.geocities.com/michaeljordangallery6/photo7/7172LakersJerryWestJumper.jpg

Sassy
06-15-2006, 09:44 PM
Freakin' Turnovers.

-Slap-
06-15-2006, 09:46 PM
Goodnight now!

Sassy
06-15-2006, 09:58 PM
Heat are DETERMINED! Love it!

Sassy
06-15-2006, 10:14 PM
“INTO THE FIRE”
(N. MICHALAK)
Hit the lights
Crank the amps

Feel the power
As the electricity grows (Hit the Lights)

Feel the roar
As the metal megahertz grows (Crank the amps)

(Chorus)
Jump into the fire
Get into the fire

The show has begun
And It’s far from done
As we rock on through the night

Hit the pyros
Off your feet

Feel the heat
As the fire gets hotter and hotter (Hit the pyros)

Feel the metal
As the power grows higher and higher (Off your feet)

(Chorus)
Jump into the fire
Get into the fire

The show has begun
And It’s far from done
As we rock on through the night

Move on through the fire
Move on into the fire
Jump on into the fire

Go on through the fire
Go on into the fire
Jump on into the fire

24champ
06-15-2006, 10:40 PM
Swear to god the Mavericks reminded me of the Sacramento Kings by flopping all over the place. I think Dirk is the new and improved Divac. Must win game on Sunday for Miami and tonight we actually had a bench now with ZO, Shandon Williams, and Posey all contributing.

BTW is Disco a Heat fan too?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/24champbailey/5698240_7_3.jpg

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-15-2006, 11:11 PM
What the mother**** was that mess I just watched?

Northman
06-16-2006, 03:43 AM
I thought Lama was calling for a sweep here? I thought the Heat had no chance to win at all in this series? I thought Dallas was just too much? Ha!

-Slap-
06-16-2006, 06:58 AM
Typical aftermath of a Maverick beating. Rulon Velvet Jones shows up sans excuses, but Angry Llama is nowhere to be found.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-16-2006, 07:08 AM
What the mother**** was that mess I just watched?

Maybe the worst game they played all year. Dirk and Howard were replaced by ineffective clones.

Nuggets4
06-16-2006, 09:50 AM
Typical aftermath of a Maverick beating. Rulon Velvet Jones shows up sans excuses, but Angry Llama is nowhere to be found.

RVJ is all class. But we should cut llama some slack. He's trying to see if he still fits into his Jordan Bulls jersey.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-16-2006, 10:17 AM
I don't think Llama is hiding, he probably just hasn't come around here yet. But there's really not much to say. Dallas just crapped the bed and got what they deserved.

I was talking to one of my friends last night and telling him about being a life-long Bronco fan and that no matter how much I love them and expect them to win every game, they can go to hell if they don't at least SHOW UP to play. There's nothing to defend when a team that supposedly has a number of advantages over the opponent doesn't put out more of an effort. You can only hope that they figure it out in time to not embarrass themselves the next time out.

GonzoLays
06-16-2006, 01:33 PM
RVJ is all class. But we should cut llama some slack. He's trying to see if he still fits into his Jordan Bulls jersey.

:rofl:

Master___Pain
06-16-2006, 01:34 PM
I don't think Llama is hiding, he probably just hasn't come around here yet.

Why do I have the feeling that Llama would have found the time to post here had the Mavs won last night? :-* Pure specualtion on my part

What I meant to say in my post before game three was the the Mavs would sweep at HOME. They still will.

-Slap-
06-16-2006, 01:37 PM
Why do I have the feeling that Llama would have found the time to post here 30 or 40 times had the Mavs won last night? :-* Pure specualtion on my part.

:)

GonzoLays
06-16-2006, 01:44 PM
So, Mr C H O K E goes 2-14 and then falls back on the old playoff ankle routine again.......Hilarious!





Should we place Dirk in the Pantheon of Clutch Performers yet? What a joke. I don't know if Miami is going to win this series but that has to be the biggest choke job by a so-called superstar in the history of sports. 2-14 in the NBA Finals? What?

I think Paul Silas said it best on NBA Shootaround: "Avery Johnson cannot design anymore plays for this guy. At one point, like all superstars do, they have to make things happen for themselves. I don't know if he has that kind of ability."

Exactly.

He's money if you let him shoot his 12 foot jumper or give him an open shot. But if he is matched up with a team that actually plays defense like Miami, and has the athletes that can actually matchup with him, he struggles mightily.

They showed a telling statistic about his playoff performance:

30 pt's a game and 56% shooting against Memphis in Round One
28 pts a game and 52% shooting against San Antonio in Round Two
26 pts a game and 48% shooting against Phoenix in Round Three
22 pts a game and 42% shooting against Miami in The Finals

Is that what you call clutch? If it is then it is time to place Scottie Pippen and Byron Scott in the Pantheon as well.

watermock
06-16-2006, 01:49 PM
Dirk has had two horrible games. So has Shaq. The MVP so far is Wade by a country mile, no matter who wins the series.

GonzoLays
06-16-2006, 01:55 PM
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14830209.htm

Former Heat stars, meanwhile, also commented on Nowitzki's stinkiness from the free-throw line in Game 3, when a 90-percent shooter missed the game's most important one with three seconds left to tie the game.

''He choked,'' said Tim Hardaway.

''He choked,'' said Steve Smith.

''He choked,'' said Glen Rice.

That's the spirit, guys.

....And as all this hostility and noise and physicality escalated, the seven-foot Nowitzki shrunk to the size of agate type.

Nowitzki was an unspeakably bad 2 for 14.

Nowitzki kept missing wide-open shots.

Nowitzki must have Hasselhoff chants ringing in his ears.

It is not a very good time to be Nowitzki, obviously.

24champ
06-16-2006, 02:20 PM
2. Miami physically intimidated Nowitzki
On their second possession of the game, Nowitzki curled off a weak-side screen and was wide open as he missed a catch-and-shoot 17-footer. From then on he was absolutely flat-footed whenever he caught the ball. In the pivot. On the high-post. And on the perimeter. This gave Nowitzki's defenders (mostly Haslem, but also James Posey) virtually unlimited opportunities to get into his body and lay non-healing hands upon his person. Aside from the punishment Nowitzki was forced to absorb, he had to work too hard constantly bumping and grinding to manufacture shots for himself. And while he was busily overhandling, Miami's baseline defenders (mostly Shaq and Alonzo Mourning) had time to join the fun.

That's the main reason why Nowitzki was 2-for-14 from the floor, and was guilty of four turnovers.

The Heat were so intent on assaulting Nowitzki that they frequently made contact after he had lofted long-distance shots. (He was 1-5 from downtown.) But the three blind mice neither saw, heard, nor whistled any of the defensive evils committed against the Mavs' go-to point-maker. It's the playoffs after all.

And here's a pair of third quarter incidents that exemplified the difference between the spotlighted players on the opposing teams: As Nowitzki drove hard to the hoop, Shaq stepped up and brutally knocked him to the floor with a massive forearm and shoulder. Hey, junior! This is where I live, and this is what you get when you try to crash the party!
Nowitzki was jolted and dazed, but he picked himself up and staggered to the free throw line. Subsequently, Nowitzki widely celebrated as being a 90% shooter from the stripe, and having recently bricked a critical freebie that would have knotted the score at the end of Game 3 made only 1-of-2.

Shortly thereafter, Shaq found himself lumbering down the court on a fast-break. After receiving a pass from Williams, Shaq was body-blocked by a hustling Jerry Stackhouse. No attempt was made to block Shaq's layup, and the refs quickly agreed that a Category One flagrant foul was in order. (Although it seemed that a Category Two, and an ejection, would have been much more appropriate.) Shaq fell far and he fell hard. But Shaq widely ridiculed for being such a miserable performer at the stripe made both of his attempts.

The point being that while some players can be intimidated by inordinate physical abuse, some can't.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5700090


Some players can take punishment and some cant, I expect to see miss Nowitzki get roughed up some more in game 5.

24champ
06-16-2006, 02:41 PM
LOL Shaq is hilarious...

"My daughters tackle me harder when I come home," O'Neal said. "I'm one of the last players of the old school, and you just have to take a hard foul like that and keep on moving. It actually felt pretty good to get hit like that. Thank you, Jerry. Appreciate it."
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5700088

alkemical
06-16-2006, 03:23 PM
if Mia wins, does shaq retire?

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-16-2006, 03:24 PM
Too bad Shaq wasn't brave enough to show up after the G2 loss.

Gonzo, you've got to get off the Dirk Hate Wagon. Ask 100 people that intently follow the NBA and about 80 of them will have Dirk in their Top 5. Sure he's had a rough series so far, but it's not fair to dog his entire season or career based on a couple of bad outings.

alkemical
06-16-2006, 03:28 PM
yeah who do you think he is, brian griese


*runs from room*

24champ
06-16-2006, 03:32 PM
if Mia wins, does shaq retire?
no.

watermock
06-16-2006, 04:02 PM
Too bad Shaq wasn't brave enough to show up after the G2 loss.

Gonzo, you've got to get off the Dirk Hate Wagon. Ask 100 people that intently follow the NBA and about 80 of them will have Dirk in their Top 5. Sure he's had a rough series so far, but it's not fair to dog his entire season or career based on a couple of bad outings.

That's no big deal. He pulled a Brian Griese vs. Oakland Monday Night Special. He might of said something he would of later regretted. Riley said he never had seen him so down on himself. Shaq wants a title BAD. Wade might be the best player in the NBA now.

24champ
06-16-2006, 04:17 PM
Jerry Stackhouse is suspended for game 5...per ESPNNEWS.

Northman
06-16-2006, 04:50 PM
Jerry Stackhouse is suspended for game 5...per ESPNNEWS.


Good, it was pissing me off how some people were claiming that Stack shouldnt get suspended. Bout time the NBA showed some consistency regarding Flagrant Fouls. I heard callers claiming that the Heat need to drop their skirts. I guess there really isnt a need to drop them when you got Terry looking up Michael Finleys and trying to cop a feel. Looks like some of the thuggery is starting to show from the Mavs. They cant play defense so do the next best thing and try to hurt star players. Good thing Shaq is built like King Kong otherwise the Heat might have been a man down.

-Slap-
06-16-2006, 04:51 PM
I believe Angry Llama has totally angered the Bad Luck Gods by stealing the great Jerry West's nickname and bestowing it upon someone so undeserving.

Think of all the athletes who've ever played, in all the different sports. Do you have any idea what it means to earn a handle like Mr Clutch?

http://www.wvculture.org/history/thisdayinwvhistory/0528.jpg

GonzoLays
06-16-2006, 05:42 PM
Jerry Stackhouse is suspended for game 5...per ESPNNEWS.

They had to. If they suspended James Posey for that forearm shiver to Kirk Hinrich while he was on his feet they had to suspend Stackhouse for that lethal blow to Shaq's body while he was in mid air. The big fella could have broken his neck and been paralyzed for life had he fallen on his head.


Blog that Mark Cuban!

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-16-2006, 05:49 PM
No big deal. Stack brought a spark but is shooting just a tad over 25% in the past 2 games. Not exactly a world-beater.

GonzoLays
06-16-2006, 06:02 PM
No big deal. Stack brought a spark but is shooting just a tad over 25% in the past 2 games. Not exactly a world-beater.

You will be creaming your pants for Stackhouse's 25% shooting after 20 minutes of Marques Daniels. He is like a fish out of water in the playoffs.

This means that there is more pressure on Dirk to score. Uh-oh. (2-14)

Nuggets4
06-16-2006, 06:49 PM
Hey Gonzo,

On behalf of everyone cheering for Miami, I'm going to ask you to stop pissing off the basketball Gods. Wait until the series is over, and then if you get your way, talk all you want.

Thank you.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-16-2006, 06:54 PM
Gonzo's name needs to be changed to "_ in 6. Book it."

I think Avery will lean more on Griff back in the starting lineup and use more of Harris as the spark off the bench. Mbenga will use all 6 fouls pissing off the Miami centers with his energetic, yet erratic play. Keith Van Suck will sadly get a little more burn and this will be Quis' chance to show why he earned that big contract 2 years ago.

Avery packed up the team and moved them 45 minutes away this afternoon. Said his team thought they were on vacation a little too much and weren't focused on the task at hand. Let's hope the suspension and this stingy move brings them a little closer together.

Northman
06-16-2006, 07:23 PM
Gonzo's name needs to be changed to "_ in 6. Book it."

I think Avery will lean more on Griff back in the starting lineup and use more of Harris as the spark off the bench. Mbenga will use all 6 fouls pissing off the Miami centers with his energetic, yet erratic play. Keith Van Suck will sadly get a little more burn and this will be Quis' chance to show why he earned that big contract 2 years ago.

Avery packed up the team and moved them 45 minutes away this afternoon. Said his team thought they were on vacation a little too much and weren't focused on the task at hand. Let's hope the suspension and this stingy move brings them a little closer together.


I forgot you guys had Keith Van Horn. Talk about a bust.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-16-2006, 09:24 PM
Was the guy ever a boom?

Northman
06-16-2006, 09:24 PM
Was the guy ever a boom?


I just remember he got a lot of attention in college and seemed like a pretty decent shooter. Just never panned out i guess.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-16-2006, 11:34 PM
What's not to like about a tall white boy that can shoot 3s?

Oh wait - they're a dime a dozen. Maybe it was the Opie hair.

yavoon
06-17-2006, 12:48 AM
What's not to like about a tall white boy that can shoot 3s?

Oh wait - they're a dime a dozen. Maybe it was the Opie hair.

his career averages, which includes his benchtime is 16 pts and 6.8 rebounds.

I can tell u if u guys let him go he'd be a phoenix sun:). for fun comparison tim thomas career #'s are 12 pts and 4 rebounds.

-Slap-
06-17-2006, 01:15 AM
Avery packed up the team and moved them 45 minutes away this afternoon. Said his team thought they were on vacation a little too much and weren't focused on the task at hand. Let's hope the suspension and this stingy move brings them a little closer together.
Hmm, are you sure brand new imported leather massage chairs from the owner wouldn't work better? Especially if it was highly publicized?

Dirk better hope his team pulls out the series. His days in Dallas will be numbered otherwise. Mark the petulant man child will surely scapegoat him and throw him to the wolves in the off season.

RhymesayersDU
06-17-2006, 02:37 AM
All I have to say is, I lost money on both games 3 and 4 while in Vegas. Damn you Dirk & Co.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-17-2006, 05:50 AM
Stackhouse has been suspended for game 5.

Good news for Dallas!

GonzoLays
06-17-2006, 01:32 PM
Hey Gonzo,

On behalf of everyone cheering for Miami, I'm going to ask you to stop pissing off the basketball Gods. Wait until the series is over, and then if you get your way, talk all you want.

Thank you.

Actually, I'm not cheering for the Heat. I could give two ****s about who wins this series.

The NBA finals since it has been on ABC is disappointing. It just doesn't have that same feel to it as the late 80's and early 90's. I don't know if it this the coverage on ABC or what but when you watch it you just don't get the feel that its the NBA finals. When the games use to be on NBC you could feel the drama through the TV set. Now, it just seems like a regular season game. You know what it is? Its the crowd noise. ABC does not put enough mics on the crowd. When Dewayne Wade makes a crazy layup and gets fouled you can barely hear the crowd going nuts. Remember when Jordan did that sensational move by switching hands as he went in for the layup against the Lakers back in 91? You could barely hear the announcers because the crowd noise was so loud. You felt like you were apart of something special; like this might have been the greatest move in NBA finals history. Now, you can't feel ****. No emotion to it. Wade does something crazy or Nowitski hits a big three and there is a small murmur from the crowd. So disappointing. I hate ABC for this. I don't know if I'm watching a preseason game or the greatest game in NBA history.

-Slap-
06-17-2006, 01:36 PM
Remember when Jordan did that sensational move by switching hands as he went in for the layup against the Lakers back in 91?

I remember my disgust when gutless Byron Scott whined afterwards, "Michael was taunting us!"

Chicago never would have won a game in that series if James Worthy hadn't rolled his ankle on Duckworth's fat foot in the WCF.

watermock
06-17-2006, 02:01 PM
Gonzo, These playoffs have been the best in years. The finals, barring game 3 have been blowouts, but regardless, it's knotted 2-2 and only two teams have recovered to take it. I don't watch basketball till the sweet 16 and NBA playoffs. Same with baseball.

The real joke is how "football" is the most popular sport in the world. It's unwatchable. They flop and feign injury all the damn time...so often that each game should come down to just the goalies. Ha! It sucks the big one. I just don't get it. I think it's great for kids for developing their skills and fitness, but as a spectator sport, I just don't get it.

I always liked field hockey. Eventually they pulled our sticks in HS...those bastards! I just about went out and bought a new, good set (not all that expensive), but it was banned because we were high sticking, slashing, rough housing and well...playing hockey. The PE teacher got tired of calling penalties but God that was fun.

GonzoLays
06-17-2006, 02:03 PM
I remember my disgust when gutless Byron Scott whined afterwards, "Michael was taunting us!"

Chicago never would have won a game in that series if James Worthy hadn't rolled his ankle on Duckworth's fat foot in the WCF.

I don't know, you are a Laker's fan so you see it differently, but that 91 Laker's team just didn't have "it." I remember that squad. All you guys did was fastbreak and shoot jumpers. Probably the worst defensive Laker team to ever make the finals.

Take into account that Terry Teagle was your bench I would say that even if Worthy had not sprained his ankle, Chicago still would have won that series.

-Slap-
06-17-2006, 02:10 PM
I don't know, you are a Laker's fan so you see it differently, but that 91 Laker's team just didn't have "it." I remember that squad. All you guys did was fastbreak and shoot jumpers. Probably the worst defensive Laker team to ever make the finals.

Take into account that Terry Teagle was your bench I would say that even if Worthy had not sprained his ankle, Chicago still would have won that series.
Chicago wasn't a deep team, either. Having Big Game James playing hobbled completely destroyed the Lakers' chances. I agree about the team defense. In fact, Worthy was probably the best defensive player on the roster that year, so his lack of mobility killed us at both ends. He was "shooting jumpers" in that series because he couldn't drive to the basket on his ankle.

Hey, people are willing to grant Michael two Rings he didn't win, so I don't expect anyone to concede any of the ones he did win.

My main point of the post was Byron Scott is an overrated beetch.

Nuggets4
06-17-2006, 02:12 PM
The NBA finals since it has been on ABC is disappointing. It just doesn't have that same feel to it as the late 80's and early 90's.

It's because it doesn't have this (http://www.ilovewavs.com/TV/Sports/TV%20Theme%20-%20NBC,%20NBA%2002.wav)

GonzoLays
06-17-2006, 02:24 PM
Chicago wasn't a deep team, either. Having Big Game James playing hobbled completely destroyed the Lakers' chances. I agree about the team defense. In fact, Worthy was probably the best defensive player on the roster that year, so his lack of mobility killed us at both ends. He was "shooting jumpers" in that series because he couldn't drive to the basket on his ankle.

Hey, people are willing to grant Michael two Rings he didn't win, so I don't expect anyone to concede any of the ones he did win.

My main point of the post was Byron Scott is an overrated beetch.

Hey, I am of the opinion that if you took the Bulls team of the early 90's and put them in the middle of the 80's there is no way they would have won a championship. They only had two good players -- Jordan and Pippen. The mid 80's Celtics and Lakers were starting three or four hall of famers at one time!

Robert Parish was asked about a month ago what was the greatest team he ever played on and he said it was the 86 Celtics (he won a ring with the Bulls as well). He said the Bulls only had two great players and that one of them (Pippen) could have been easily shut down leaving only Jordan to contend with. He said no matter how great one player is basketball is a team sport and you can't win championships against GREAT teams with only two guys doing the damage.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-17-2006, 02:27 PM
It's because it doesn't have this (http://www.ilovewavs.com/TV/Sports/TV%20Theme%20-%20NBC,%20NBA%2002.wav)

HELL yes.

GonzoLays
06-18-2006, 03:41 PM
Times get a little rough for the Mavs and the bandwagon fan jump ships...

http://www.angrymonkey.net/angrymonkey.net/putfileshere/llama.jpg

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 03:51 PM
It's gunna be a good one tonight... But I will have to take my Entourage break at 8 nonetheless.

FantomForce
06-18-2006, 04:42 PM
Heat all the way tonight!:thumbs:

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 07:06 PM
For all the hate ABC is getting, this intro is bad ass, with all the old players and Finals moments.

Northman
06-18-2006, 07:55 PM
Hey, I am of the opinion that if you took the Bulls team of the early 90's and put them in the middle of the 80's there is no way they would have won a championship. They only had two good players -- Jordan and Pippen. The mid 80's Celtics and Lakers were starting three or four hall of famers at one time!

Robert Parish was asked about a month ago what was the greatest team he ever played on and he said it was the 86 Celtics (he won a ring with the Bulls as well). He said the Bulls only had two great players and that one of them (Pippen) could have been easily shut down leaving only Jordan to contend with. He said no matter how great one player is basketball is a team sport and you can't win championships against GREAT teams with only two guys doing the damage.


For once i actually agree with you. Damn, i feel dirty.

watermock
06-18-2006, 08:26 PM
Wade is missing badly.

Nuggets4
06-18-2006, 08:38 PM
For all the hate ABC is getting, this intro is bad ass, with all the old players and Finals moments.

Until they have John Tesh's song as the intro, I will never compliment one of their intros.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 08:40 PM
Wade choking and Shaq is worthless.

Sassy
06-18-2006, 09:19 PM
Ok...Wade is getting his fire back.

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 09:22 PM
This 4th quarter is going to be epic.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 09:53 PM
Ok...Wade is getting his fire back.

Wade is a joke tonight. The officials are calling a foul if Dallas breathes on him. 22 free throws? Pathetic.

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 10:01 PM
Keep dissing Wade, it appears to be working.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:03 PM
Geez, I can't believe they bailed Dirk out on that out of control slop.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:04 PM
He misses another free throw.

Dirk is such a choker.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:05 PM
It's criminal. Dirk gets mauled on almost every possession and they RARELY call it.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:06 PM
He misses another free throw.

Dirk is such a choker.

Dirk nails the tying shot. Eat me.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:08 PM
Dirk with the assist to take the lead. BITE ME!!!

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:09 PM
Now Wade will win it with a three.

If he misses, we might actually see Angry Llama come slithering through the back door again.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:11 PM
Now Wade will win it with a three.



So much for that.ROFL!

Dallas with the last shot.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:12 PM
OT....great game.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:12 PM
Why didn't they let Dirk get his own shot at the end?

:rofl:

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 10:32 PM
Big shot from Dirk, 10 ticks left, game to be decided here.

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 10:35 PM
Wade is good, but he needs to improve his passing.

I realize at the end of the game you want your superstar taking the shot, but come on now, triple ****ing teamed, DWade you gotta pass that.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:36 PM
Shades of Chris Webber. At least Dallas had a timeout to burn.

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 10:37 PM
Shades of Chris Webber. At least Dallas had a timeout to burn.
Totally what I was thinking, good 'ol Fab 5.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:37 PM
Wow, what a bonehead move by Howard.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:37 PM
The Mavericks are going to need Grant Hill and Christian Laettner to pull this off.

Jens1893
06-18-2006, 10:38 PM
Go **** yourself, Josh.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:38 PM
Hey, where's Angry Llama?

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:38 PM
Miami wins, 3-2 series lead headed back to Dallas.

Josh Howard is wearing the goat horns tonight.

ludo21
06-18-2006, 10:38 PM
bwhahhahahhahahaahahhhhaaa

What a retard. Awesome game, gooo WADE!!!

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:39 PM
Go suck a fat one, Cuban.

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 10:39 PM
Wade is a joke tonight.

Wade choking

LOL LOL LOL

Taking tips from Gonzo on your basketball takes now?

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:40 PM
Taking tips from Gonzo on your basketball takes now?

Nope, just being himself. :laugh:

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:41 PM
Wade choked. The officials bailed him out. The officiating was a complete joke.

FORTY-NINE FVCKING FREE THROWS? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:41 PM
LOL LOL LOL

Taking tips from Gonzo on your basketball takes now?
Knob is the kiss of death. If you saw he had the same horse as you at the track, you would rip up your ticket before they stopped running.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:42 PM
Knob is the kiss of death. If you saw he had the same horse as you at the track, you would rip up your ticket before they stopped running.

The kiss of death? I didn't predict ANY outcome for the finals.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:42 PM
Wade choked. The officials bailed him out. The officiating was a complete joke.

FORTY-NINE FVCKING FREE THROWS? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I didn't hear you crying when the Mavs shot 50 free throws in a game against the Spurs in round 2.

Dirk hasn't even been the 2nd best player in this series, Wade has been head and shoulders above him.

Dirk having a tantrum on the way to the locker room. Careful you don't hurt that ankle, sweetie. :laugh:

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:43 PM
Knob is the kiss of death. If you saw he had the same horse as you at the track, you would rip up your ticket before they stopped running.

He's Eddie Mush. :rofl:

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:44 PM
Wade choked. The officials bailed him out. The officiating was a complete joke.

FORTY-NINE FVCKING FREE THROWS? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
That's what usually happens to teams that resort to the Haq-a-Shaq.

freak6
06-18-2006, 10:44 PM
Worst ref'd game I have ever seen, just disgusting, every time Wade gets touched, whistle. It was total fkn bs.

Worst call of the night. 1:30 in OT. Wade goes left around the pick, Howard steps up, Wade spins and crashes into Howard with his back!!! Howard is set, just standing there, Wade is out of control and Howard hits the deck just above the free throw line.

Wade gets the call, and cashes two free throws...

FKN BS!!!!!!!

And Hubie Brown is making me throw up excusing the refs and finding something on every fkn BS call they make.

"You can see right there the man is moving..." BLA BLAA BLAAAA

No integrity at all in this game. Dallas got ROBBED!!

Sassy
06-18-2006, 10:46 PM
Wade is a joke tonight. The officials are calling a foul if Dallas breathes on him. 22 free throws? Pathetic.
The kid had a hell of a 4th quarter and OT...Yeah, "a joke"...

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 10:46 PM
Wade choked. The officials bailed him out. The officiating was a complete joke.

FORTY-NINE FVCKING FREE THROWS? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Wade choked, but Dirk misses a free throw and you're beating your chest over an assist?

That's absurd, even for you.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:47 PM
Dirk would be getting those calls too had he not reverted back to being the soft jump shooter he's been criticized for being in the past.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:47 PM
I should really just shut up...Howard fvcking choked...god...2 missed free throws and a blown timeout.

Northman
06-18-2006, 10:49 PM
I am so going to pay for this in the morning as i have to be up in 4 hours to go to work. But, this was a great game and Bob, quit with the whining. The officiating has been horrible yes. But it has been bad for both teams as it hasnt favored one over the other. I love that Howard flop towards the end of OT that was called a foul on Shaq. So dont tell me they were " bailing " Wade out. Dirk made some great shots in this game and Wade was outstanding again. I was really surprised that Dirk didnt get the ball at the end of regulation. He had the height advantage over every defender that was guarding him. Terry made a good attempt but just too small for that kind of shot. Either way, the Mavs will most likely win this series but for those who thought the Heat would just lay down dont really know the game at all. And how bout the Glove with that high layup kiss off the glass? lmao, that was great to see. I just dont think Wade is getting enough offensive help from his teamates. Hell, Shaq and Walker almost look like they are bored to be in the finals. Either way, i enjoyed this game tonight it was a must win for the Heat and they squeeked one out.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:50 PM
I should really just shut up

Smartest thing you've ever said. ^5

freak6
06-18-2006, 10:50 PM
All you have to do is watch the tape at 1:30 and you can see for yourself the refs are so on Wade's nuts to anoint him the next Jordanesque superstar, and Shaq, and Riley, its sickening.

The refs hate Cuban and the Mavericks. Watch Wade get bailed out on a clear out of control charge. 1:30 in OT. Makes me sick. I'm no Mavs fan, I just wanna see a fair game, is that to much to ask? I wish Hubie Brown would hurry up and go back to being that creepy preacher from poltergiest2.

Northman
06-18-2006, 10:51 PM
Worst ref'd game I have ever seen, just disgusting, every time Wade gets touched, whistle. It was total fkn bs.

Worst call of the night. 1:30 in OT. Wade goes left around the pick, Howard steps up, Wade spins and crashes into Howard with his back!!! Howard is set, just standing there, Wade is out of control and Howard hits the deck just above the free throw line.

Wade gets the call, and cashes two free throws...

FKN BS!!!!!!!

And Hubie Brown is making me throw up excusing the refs and finding something on every fkn BS call they make.

"You can see right there the man is moving..." BLA BLAA BLAAAA

No integrity at all in this game. Dallas got ROBBED!!



Whatever, although i agree that Wade walked there on the onsueing play where howard took a jump shot and missed only to have Shaq bump into him inadvertently while getting the rebound Howard pulls a acting job to draw the foul. Talk about a BS call. Its been bad for both teams.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:53 PM
Wade Wade Wade Wade Omg Promote Superstar Big Money Wade Wade Wade!!!

Northman
06-18-2006, 10:54 PM
Wade Wade Wade Wade Omg Promote Superstar Big Money Wade Wade Wade!!!


You have to admit, he's been far more stellar than Dirk in this series.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:54 PM
If the refs really are screwing the Mavs to get back at Cuban, I say bravo. I don't believe it to be true, but if it were I couldn't blame them a bit. Bite the fvcking wall, Cuban.

That fvckstick thinks he's bigger than the game, he calls out the officials and the league all the time. If that comes back to bite him in his billionaire ass, tough ****. Reap what you sow.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister
I should really just shut up
Looks like a good avatar line for Knob.

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 10:55 PM
Wade Wade Wade Wade Omg Promote Superstar Big Money Wade Wade Wade!!!
So first it was Gonzo, and now it's angryllama's "OMG my favorite player isn't on ESPN OMG Conspiracy!" school of posting?

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:55 PM
Wade Wade Wade Wade Omg Promote Superstar Big Money Wade Wade Wade!!!

I knew it wouldn't be long before you jokes played this card. Wade has outplayed Nowitzki in this series, hype has nothing to do with it.

But it does give you a convenient excuse. Whine on.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 10:57 PM
They just showed the replay. Wade's arm wasn't affected, nor was the ball.

Complete bullshiat.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 10:59 PM
They just showed the replay. Wade's arm wasn't affected, nor was the ball.

Complete bullshiat..

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 11:01 PM
Remember this game?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260513006

Funny, I don't remember you crying like a biatch after this one despite Nowitzki shooting 24 free throws and the Mavs shooting 50.

Your team lost, they're down but not out, deal with it.

It's speaks volumes about your homerism that you're madder at the officials than Josh Howard.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 11:02 PM
Loser talk is so cool.

:)

Pendejo
06-18-2006, 11:03 PM
They just showed the replay. Wade's arm wasn't affected, nor was the ball.

Complete bullshiat.

And the replays showed three blatant blocks in the back when Dainty returned a kick for a game winning score.

Complete bullshiat.

Shut the fvck up princess. Go nurse your teddy bear.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 11:04 PM
Stop humping my leg, Cockwork.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 11:07 PM
Stop humping my leg, Cockwork.

Leave me out of your fantasies, fatass.

Come on, squirt some more tears for us. Pussy. Ha!

Northman
06-18-2006, 11:11 PM
And the replays showed three blatant blocks in the back when Dainty returned a kick for a game winning score.

Complete bullshiat.

Shut the fvck up princess. Go nurse your teddy bear.


LOL princess. hahahahaa

The Big E
06-18-2006, 11:20 PM
I can't believe Dallas lost all three games in Miami. Wade got a lot of generous calls tonight for sure. Who fell down for Dallas when they could have had him trapped on the sidelilne? Was it a flop? If so, very weak. If he just fell down, just bad luck.

After Howard did his C-Webb impression, I thought back to the 1976 finals, game 5, at the end of the second OT. Phoenix was behind by one with a second left and had to inbounds it in full court from the baseline. Paul Westphal had the idea to call a timeout that they didn't have, which led to a T. They gave up the point, BUT, because of the T, they were then allowed to throw the ball in from mid-court. Gar Heard then hit one of the greatest shots of all time and sent the game to a third OT. Would the rules today have allowed Dallas to do the same thing tonight? If so, they should have.

Did I just age myself? Hey, I was only 13 then and a die-hard Suns fan, so I'm not too ancient.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 11:40 PM
Yet another screw job by the officials:

Wade was established in the front court and then went into the backcourt to catch the in-bounds pass. That is a backcourt violation.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 11:41 PM
Yet another screw job by the officials:

Wade was established in the front court and then went into the backcourt to catch the in-bounds pass. That is a backcourt violation.

No it isn't, not on an out of bounds play.

Learn the rules before you start whining, frontrunning fag.

DarkHorse30
06-18-2006, 11:43 PM
The NBA is a joke.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 11:43 PM
El mergo chango!

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 11:44 PM
No it isn't, not on an out of bounds play.

Learn the rules before you start whining, frontrunning fag.

I'm just quoting Mark Cuban. Those were his words. Apparently you know the rules better than NBA owner.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 11:44 PM
In before this gets merged into the existing thread.

You and Bob can cry on each others shoulders.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 11:47 PM
He wasn't even fouled. All night. Wade was getting the call when Dallas breathed on him.

There's some home cookin' going on when ONE PLAYER gets to the line as many times as the entire other team.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 11:47 PM
I'm just quoting Mark Cuban. Those were his words. Apparently you know the rules better than NBA owner.

Apparently I do. You're allowed to use the entire court to inbound the ball, frontcourt and backcourt.

Cuban is just doing what he always does, whining and crying. I'm sure he appreciates you taking up his cause regardless of the fact that it makes you both look like idiots.

I also know that if you call your last timeout before the 2nd free throw, you don't get to advance the ball. I guess I know the rulebook better than Josh Howard too.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-18-2006, 11:50 PM
**** me.

Gutty performance by Dallas tonight. Mental mistakes did them in.

It's amazing to see that Wade as many FTs as the entire Mavericks team. I don't think Dallas shot a single one in the 3rd quarter. Now, I don't like to call out the refs as I feel that's a crutch - but there's some friggin' in the riggin'. You can say that Miami shot so many because they were the aggressor, but that wouldn't apply in this game. Dallas was taking it as hard as Miami was. Homecooking, preferential treatment, whatever. I don't know what it is exactly, but there's some bull**** going down in the NBA. It's not just in the series. It's running rampant and looks to get worse unless someone calls them out on the inconsistency (paging Cuban's blog, paging Mark Cuban's blog).

The final timeout called by Howard (or whatever it is that happened) might not have made that much of a difference. I know people will say that that error did them in, but really - were they going to score with the 1.9 left? It was unlikely.

Well, back to Dallas. I think the team will get a huge boost from coming home and maybe get a bit of the home cooking. I think Dallas blows them out big in Game 6 to force a showdown for Thursday. The absence of Stack hurt a bit tonight as the bench didn't come up as big as was needed (though Quis did play well in his time covering Wade).

I can't believe the playoffs have been going on for almost 2 months now and amount to about an additional 25% of play. I'm a young lad and have had about 4 heart attacks in that time.

DarkHorse30
06-18-2006, 11:50 PM
don't really care who wins. I hate Dallas nearly as much as any team.....but stern has turned the NBA into a laughing stock. Rules shmoolz.....let's get a bunch of retirees reffing a game so social security can be saved......whee.

watermock
06-18-2006, 11:50 PM
The game was called tight all night Boob, because of the hack job Stackhouse gave Shaq. Your not even remotely in touch with reality. I like both teams, but the team that wins game 5...

Now you have conflicting history. Since 2-3-2 only two teams have overcome an 0-2 basement. I can't wait for the talking heads at ESPN to splain this one away. I still give the edge to Dallas, but just barely.

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 11:51 PM
I'd actually want to look that call up, because it looked fishy to me at first.

Yes, you're allowed to catch the ball in the backcourt on an out of bounds, but Wade jumped from the front court and caught the ball in the backcourt. Not sure if that matters, but for argument's sake, if you were to catch the ball in the front court on an out of bounds play, you wouldn't be able to dribble it into the backcourt.

I don't know for sure on this, I think Wade was allowed to catch the ball in mid-air like he did because what matters is the ball, not the player, and the ball was never in the frount court, technically. But again, I'd have to look it up.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 11:53 PM
There's some home cookin' going on when ONE PLAYER gets to the line as many times as the entire other team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260513006

Dirk Nowitzki: 21-24 (team attempted 50) from the line
San Antonio 22-32 from the line

So was there some "home cookin'" going on in that game too?

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2006, 11:53 PM
Apparently I do. You're allowed to use the entire court to inbound the ball, frontcourt and backcourt.


That wasn't the issue. The issue was that Wade had established himself in the frontcourt first. That was what Cuban said anyway.

watermock
06-18-2006, 11:54 PM
I'm just quoting Mark Cuban. Those were his words. Apparently you know the rules better than NBA owner.

He was at the right place at the right time. I loved his consternation. It rivaled Al Davis after the Tuck. Asking for Validation from Texas isn't allowed here.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 11:54 PM
That wasn't the issue. The issue was that Wade had established himself in the frontcourt first. That was what Cuban said anyway.

Cuban's full of ****, but then what else is new.

Sour grapes.

RhymesayersDU
06-18-2006, 11:54 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260513006

Dirk Nowitzki: 21-24 (team attempted 50) from the line
San Antonio 22-32 from the line

So was there some "home cookin'" going on in that game too?
Clockwork, you know better than to bring in actual facts when dealing with Mavs fans.

-Slap-
06-18-2006, 11:55 PM
I'd actually want to look that call up, because it looked fishy to me at first.

Yes, you're allowed to catch the ball in the backcourt on an out of bounds, but Wade jumped from the front court and caught the ball in the backcourt. Not sure if that matters, but for argument's sake, if you were to catch the ball in the front court on an out of bounds play, you wouldn't be able to dribble it into the backcourt.

I don't know for sure on this, I think Wade was allowed to catch the ball in mid-air like he did because what matters is the ball, not the player, and the ball was never in the frount court, technically. But again, I'd have to look it up.
You explained it correctly just now. Had he dribbled into the backcourt, he would have turned over the ball. Running from the frontcourt to the backcourt to receive the pass was completely legal.

Clockwork Orange
06-18-2006, 11:57 PM
Clockwork, you know better than to bring in actual facts when dealing with Mavs fans.

Just want to make sure that they're introduced at some point. The Mavs have benefitted from some pretty ticky tack officiating themselves at times in these playoffs, so they really don't have much room to complain.

Breck Bronc
06-18-2006, 11:58 PM
The NBA is a joke.Quoted for truth.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-19-2006, 12:03 AM
This violation is being termed an "over and back" on the Mavs board.

BTW, yes Dirk shot 24 free throws. That wasn't as many as the entire Spurs team!

Clockwork Orange
06-19-2006, 12:07 AM
This violation is being termed an "over and back" on the Mavs board.

BTW, yes Dirk shot 24 free throws. That wasn't as many as the entire Spurs team!

You found a board of homers like yourself? Awesome, go cry with them.

If you're looking for sympathy, check somewhere between $hit and syphilis in the dictionary. Loser.

Pendejo
06-19-2006, 12:09 AM
This violation is being termed an "over and back" on the Mavs board.

BTW, yes Dirk shot 24 free throws. That wasn't as many as the entire Spurs team!

Which is completely wrong dumbass. You have to actually have the ball...cross over the half court line...and then go back over it.

You can run like the Chiefs from a playoffs victory in the front court...establish the hell out of yourself...and then receive the inbounds pass back at the other baseline and you're fine.

That rule is basic.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-19-2006, 12:10 AM
It wasn't over and back at the end. You see that same kind of play all the time.

Now, if you want to talk about that last "foul" then we can talk.

I love it when the "players" aren't allowed to "play" and Game 5 of the mother****ing NBA FINALS is decided at the free throw line. So ballsy.

Clockwork Orange
06-19-2006, 12:10 AM
That rule is basic.

Obviously not basic enough for Mark Cuban.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-19-2006, 12:13 AM
Game 5 of the mother****ing NBA FINALS is decided at the free throw line.

It's pure bullshiat.

RhymesayersDU
06-19-2006, 12:14 AM
OK, I just copied what seemed relevant. For the full rule, check out the link.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_8.html?nav=ArticleList

RULE NO. 8-OUT-OF-BOUNDS AND THROW-IN

Section I-Player The player is out-of-bounds when he touches the floor or any object on or outside a boundary. For location of a player in the air, his position is that from which he last touched the floor.

This seemed relevant because I believe the argument being made is that since Wade jumped from the front court and landed in the backcourt, it was like he caught the ball in the front court. However, this rule applies for players going out of bounds. I didn't see anything about jumping and catching a ball inbounds.

Section III-The Throw-In
...
e. Any ball out-of-bounds in a team's frontcourt or at the midcourt line cannot be passed into the backcourt. On all backcourt and midcourt violations, the ball shall be awarded to the opposing team at the midcourt line, and must be passed into the frontcourt.
EXCEPTION: During the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period, the ball may be passed anywhere (frontcourt or backcourt) on the court.

That's all it says on inbounding a ball. Seems like Cuban is reaching. I see what his argument is, but the only time that it matters where a guy jumped from is when he goes out of bounds, I think.

Clockwork Orange
06-19-2006, 12:19 AM
There was no violation. Cuban is looking for anyone but his players & coaches to blame because that's how he runs his organization. There's no such thing as accountability in that franchise because the excuse making starts at the top and rolls downhill. That's obvious from watching Avery Johnson and Dirk Nowitzki get up in front of the press and go on and on about the officiating rather than what they need to do to win game 6.

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2006, 12:19 AM
don't really care who wins. I hate Dallas nearly as much as any team.....but stern has turned the NBA into a laughing stock. Rules shmoolz.....let's get a bunch of retirees reffing a game so social security can be saved......whee.

I have been completely disillusioned by this series. I feel like the idiot who took the bait and got hooked. I dont know if I'll be able to stomach another year of this stuff. From the beginning, the league has marketed their superstar players in the finals. All of the media has concerned Wade and Shaq, with the Jordan comparisons flying wildly about. Then the ref gaffes begin...

One or two missed calls is not a big deal...you go on and you play through them. But continued imbalance and inconsistencies have added up over the course of the series to mount to something that shows me I'm an idiot for buying a ticket to an NBA game. The series opener saw Shaq elbow Nowitzki in the face when the two were alone under the basket. an elbow above the shoulders is an ejectable, suspendable offense. To make matters worse, Shaq elbows Stackhouse in the face later in the same game and opens a gash on his nose that requires three stitches to close. The league didnt address either instance. O'Neal has been allowed to throw players around in the lane using his hands and elbows throughout the entire series and has not been called for blocking fouls when sticking his arms out into shooters without making an attempt to block the shot. Later in the series, Udonis Haslem laid a hard blow across Terry's face while Terry dunked the ball. He knocked Terry off balance in the air, and Terry crashed onto his back. This play is no different than the one that Stackhouse hit Joe Johnson with in the playoffs last season. This is now a suspendable offense. Needless to say, neither O'Neal or Haslem were fined or suspended.

There is a double standard when the league addresses illegal play, and there is a double standard when whistling fouls on the floor. Miami has been allowed to hand check and slap at nowitzki for the run of the series, while a breath on Dwyane Wade is called a foul. The worst example of which was the final series of plays in game 5, where Dirk is mugged (fouled by O'Neal) while still hitting the shot with 9.1 left on the clock, and on the other end Wade throws up a shot between 3 players, and is given a "benefit of the doubt" whistle where Craword pegs Nowitzki with a foul, when Nowitzki was clearly playing good defense. The double standard is obvious. This was just one sequence where it was evident. Dwyane Wade shot more free throws than the entire Mavs team.

This series has been officiated with the benefit clearly and blatantly in the favor of the Miami Heat and their star players. The NBA is a joke. Bogus. Bunk. Fixed. A fraud.

They are in the business of selling product. Is it any wonder that the team that they are promoting so heavily is the one on the receiving end of the officiating? They are in the business of controlling consumers, in maintaining revenue, in selling shoes, in selling jerseys to kids.

NFLBRONCO
06-19-2006, 12:19 AM
I will say what a game tonight. I do think the calls were typical NBA they don't call the game the same both ways. Miami only had 2 fouls in 3rd qtr playing that physical on D. Terry drove to the basket alot of times and was fouled and no call. The last foul was weak.

Clockwork Orange
06-19-2006, 12:20 AM
::)

Who didn't see that coming.

Clockwork Orange
06-19-2006, 12:25 AM
I also find it odd that no one is talking about Josh Howard missing a pair of late free throws well before his timeout gaffe.

Nah, keep talking about the officiating. It's much easier.

NFLBRONCO
06-19-2006, 12:27 AM
Howard did choke

watermock
06-19-2006, 12:28 AM
Don't you just love the sore loser?

RhymesayersDU
06-19-2006, 12:29 AM
They are in the business of selling product. Is it any wonder that the team that they are promoting so heavily is the one on the receiving end of the officiating? They are in the business of controlling consumers, in maintaining revenue, in selling shoes, in selling jerseys to kids.

That is so freakin' stupid I don't even know where to start.

But I will say this: The NBA enacted a dress code because they wanted their players to look and be able to relate to the people buying tickets, white business professionals. If this were truly all about controlling consumers and selling jerseys, wouldn't they want the WHITE player to succeed, be the next Bird, inspire white America to love the NBA like it does the NFL?

Everything you're saying would suggest that Dirk should be getting every single call, if this were about revenue.

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2006, 12:29 AM
I also find it odd that no one is talking about Josh Howard missing a pair of late free throws well before his timeout gaffe.
Nah, keep talking about the officiating. It's much easier.

It wouldnt matter if Howard made those free throws or not. Wade would have gotten to the line no matter how many times he shot the ball. Dirk made the shot that should have won the game. Wade countered it by bricking an ill advised low percentage shot among three players and was given an anticipation whistle.

What's much easier is for you to continue to ignore something that is as obvious as daylight in front of your face for the sake of continuing a jealousy-based grudge.

Clockwork Orange
06-19-2006, 12:29 AM
They haven't lost anything yet. They get to go home for game 6 and possibly game 7. As I said before, they're down but not out.

NFLBRONCO
06-19-2006, 12:29 AM
I just think the game should be called the same way on both ends. I don't care if Dallas or Miami wins.

RhymesayersDU
06-19-2006, 12:31 AM
I also find it odd that no one is talking about Josh Howard missing a pair of late free throws well before his timeout gaffe.

Nah, keep talking about the officiating. It's much easier.
Forget Howard, I really enjoy the fact that the Mav-Faithful are dancing around the fact that for the second game in this series Dirk "The Almighty God And Should Have Been MVP" Nowitzki has missed an important free throw late in the game.

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2006, 12:32 AM
That is so freakin' stupid I don't even know where to start.

But I will say this: The NBA enacted a dress code because they wanted their players to look and be able to relate to the people buying tickets, white business professionals. If this were truly all about controlling consumers and selling jerseys, wouldn't they want the WHITE player to succeed, be the next Bird, inspire white America to love the NBA like it does the NFL?

Everything you're saying would suggest that Dirk should be getting every single call, if this were about revenue.

No, because white players dont sell merchandise. How many white players are in the top ten in jersey sales? What about in shoe sales? How about commercial advertising? None there either? This stuff is marketed to inner city black kids and adults.

I hope that you're not a marketing major because your business sense is awful.

Pendejo
06-19-2006, 12:33 AM
I also find it odd that no one is talking about Josh Howard missing a pair of late free throws well before his timeout gaffe.

Nah, keep talking about the officiating. It's much easier.

Nope. Over and back. And the NBA is on Wade's jock. They're either racist or xenophobic.

-Slap-
06-19-2006, 12:34 AM
If this were truly all about controlling consumers and selling jerseys, wouldn't they want the WHITE player to succeed, be the next Bird, inspire white America to love the NBA like it does the NFL?

Everything you're saying would suggest that Dirk should be getting every single call, if this were about revenue.
Foreigners don't count as white in sports marketing. Poor Dirky is despised by the League, and all media outlets, in a strikingly well coordinated conspiracy campaign.

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2006, 12:36 AM
The NBA is a joke. Have fun with your misplaced trust in the innocence of sport.

RhymesayersDU
06-19-2006, 12:36 AM
No, because white players dont sell merchandise. How many white players are in the top ten in jersey sales? What about in shoe sales? How about commercial advertising? None there either? This stuff is marketed to inner city black kids and adults.

I hope that you're not a marketing major because your business sense is awful.
No doubt that young kids, whether black or white, buy the jerseys and shoes by the dozen.

But you don't think that the NBA would be interested in having a white icon to promote like the NFL does? You're delusional if you don't think the NBA would love that.

The NBA would love white america to embrace the NBA after many people stopped watching. And furthermore, it's all about ad sales, and ticket sales, and TV revenue. It ain't just throwback jerseys.

Why do you think the NFL is so successful? It's a great game, no doubt. But a huge part of that is because the two most identifiable positions in the game, the QB and the Head Coach, are predominantly white.

But you're right, I'm the one with a terrible business sense.

Clockwork Orange
06-19-2006, 12:37 AM
It wouldnt matter if Howard made those free throws or not. Wade would have gotten to the line no matter how many times he shot the ball. Dirk made the shot that should have won the game. Wade countered it by bricking an ill advised low percentage shot among three players and was given an anticipation whistle.

What's much easier is for you to continue to ignore something that is as obvious as daylight in front of your face for the sake of continuing a jealousy-based grudge.

First, I want to congratulate you for having the courage to actually show up after a loss, llama. That's very big and unexpected of you.

If you honestly believe that anyone is jealous of you or your team, you must be living 4 feet up your own ass these days instead of the 3 I estimated before. Your classless organization is the envy of no one.

You won't talk about Howard gagging on his own balls or your hero turning back into a soft jump shooter. Nah, you're a Mark Cuban sheep through and through. You're now just rehashing your conspiracy theories from earlier in the playoffs when the Mavs were on the brink of elimination. Funny to see how you've come back to this after all your chest thumping about breaking out the brooms before.

Proof positive that there is no such thing as accountability with the Mavs. That goes for the organization and the fanbase.

youcandoit1687
06-19-2006, 12:37 AM
He wasn't even fouled. All night. Wade was getting the call when Dallas breathed on him.

There's some home cookin' going on when ONE PLAYER gets to the line as many times as the entire other team.

it MIGHT have had to do with the fact that the mavs were telling the ref they were going to foul shaq. if i were a ref id penalize them for that and probly call an intentional

-Slap-
06-19-2006, 12:37 AM
The NBA is a joke. Have fun with your misplaced trust in the innocence of sport.
I love this guy!

ROFL!

Clockwork Orange
06-19-2006, 12:37 AM
The NBA is a joke. Have fun with your misplaced trust in the innocence of sport.

http://www.uab.edu/images/imedpub/Kleenex.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2006, 12:38 AM
No doubt that young kids, whether black or white, buy the jerseys and shoes by the dozen.
But you don't think that the NBA would be interested in having a white icon to promote like the NFL does? You're delusional if you don't think the NBA would love that.
he NBA would love white america to embrace the NBA after many people stopped watching. And furthermore, it's all about ad sales, and ticket sales, and TV revenue. It ain't just throwback jerseys.
Why do you think the NFL is so successful? It's a great game, no doubt. But a huge part of that is because the two most identifiable positions in the game, the QB and the Head Coach, are predominantly white.
But you're right, I'm the one with a terrible business sense.

The NBA fan on average is from a different demographic. You still cant tell me whose shoes and jerseys are the most popular. Why not? Is it because they prove your juvenile trust wrong?