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The Big E
05-26-2006, 10:57 AM
I want Wade to be there, but not Shaq or Riley. Is that possible? :yayaya:
I wish it was possible, because D-Wade is awesome.

I don't mind Riley. He played for the Suns way back in ancient times when I first became a Suns fan, about 2 years after I moved to AZ. He was on the 75-76 team that went to the finals and lost to Boston. (Still my all-time favorite Suns team, sentimental fool that I am.)

Montaq
05-26-2006, 02:27 PM
I just heard on the radio that Raja Bell is likely out for the entire series. Josh Howard is expected to start tonight and the Mavs are going to start Keith Van Horn over Dampier. I'm not really happy to see the Mavs cater to the Suns style of play.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-26-2006, 02:29 PM
I just wish the Mavericks would bench Stackhouse for the last half of every fourth quarter. He's a choke artist.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-26-2006, 02:30 PM
I just heard on the radio that Raja Bell is likely out for the entire series. Josh Howard is expected to start tonight and the Mavs are going to start Keith Van Horn over Dampier. I'm not really happy to see the Mavs cater to the Suns style of play.

They aren't. Van Horn can get back alot quicker on transition defense than Dampier.

If the Mavericks fix their transition defense, they win.

Montaq
05-26-2006, 02:31 PM
Then I hope Van Horn shoots better tonight then he did on Wed.

The Big E
05-26-2006, 02:39 PM
I just heard on the radio that Raja Bell is likely out for the entire series. Josh Howard is expected to start tonight and the Mavs are going to start Keith Van Horn over Dampier. I'm not really happy to see the Mavs cater to the Suns style of play.
The same thing happened with Kaman getting a lot less playing time in the last series. Any big man that's going to stay on the floor against the Suns had better be huge on the offensive end, because the big men simply can't hang defensively on the perimeter with the Suns.

I just don't see Dampier making enough of an impact offensively to get whole lot of PT. The Mavs seem to have the depth to deal with it, though.

Garcia Bronco
05-26-2006, 03:06 PM
I didn't watch the game, but this startles me a little. Usually Bavetta is blatantly influenced by the home crowd. He actually defended a visiting team? This is the first sign of the apocolypse I'm afraid.


In all seriousness...it was one ridiculous call after another in the 2nd half...and it went both ways.

If your feet are not set and there is contact with an offensive player...that is a foul. about 10 years ago they put a line under the basket to validate an existing rule...if any part of you is in that line...you cannot be charged. more then one step is traveling...end of story. When a player calls TO and the team has TO's with the ball..you have to award it to the team.

yavoon
05-26-2006, 03:38 PM
In all seriousness...it was one ridiculous call after another in the 2nd half...and it went both ways.

If your feet are not set and there is contact with an offensive player...that is a foul. about 10 years ago they put a line under the basket to validate an existing rule...if any part of you is in that line...you cannot be charged. more then one step is traveling...end of story. When a player calls TO and the team has TO's with the ball..you have to award it to the team.

there is charging even if ur feet are not set.

Garcia Bronco
05-26-2006, 07:07 PM
there is charging even if ur feet are not set.



No there isn't...otherwise the defender doesn't have position. It illogical to approach it any other way. But if the NBA has changed the rule...that's news to me.

yavoon
05-26-2006, 07:11 PM
No there isn't...otherwise the defender doesn't have position. It illogical to approach it any other way. But if the NBA has changed the rule...that's news to me.

u can't plow through defenders regardless of how their feet are set. this includes most commonly running ur shoulder into them.

it so happens that often help defense = u need ur feet set. and 1on1 = u have some rights and they can't run u over.

Garcia Bronco
05-26-2006, 08:03 PM
u can't plow through defenders regardless of how their feet are set. this includes most commonly running ur shoulder into them.

it so happens that often help defense = u need ur feet set. and 1on1 = u have some rights and they can't run u over.


but the shooter isn't going to plow into you...he's trying to get around. bottom line...if your feet are moving...you don't have position. Instances ur r talkin abt r rare.

yavoon
05-26-2006, 08:06 PM
but the shooter isn't going to plow into you...he's trying to get around. bottom line...if your feet are moving...you don't have position. Instances ur r talkin abt r rare.

well if u called the defender for the foul every offensive player would plow into u to draw the foul. of if u never called anything anyone who was bigger would run u over.

anyway I dont need to argue about it because thats how it is. and its not rare.

=D

ro_50
05-26-2006, 08:29 PM
I dont know how Mavs fans could watch this and not have a heart attack. Seems like lately every game they have goes down to the wire.

And this one is no different.

Nuggets4
05-26-2006, 08:53 PM
I dont know how Mavs fans could watch this and not have a heart attack. Seems like lately every game they have goes down to the wire.

And this one is no different.

It's not like Suns fans have had an easy road either. At least the Mavs got the worst team in the Western Conference in the first round. The Suns have played two game 7's so far, and this series could be going 7 as well.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-26-2006, 09:54 PM
I dont know how Mavs fans could watch this and not have a heart attack. Seems like lately every game they have goes down to the wire.

And this one is no different.

Much easier tonight due to defense and clutch shooting.

The Mavericks defense was much better tonight. Keep that up and they can steal one in Phoenix.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-26-2006, 10:07 PM
http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/DNA119052623_1024x768.jpg

RhymesayersDU
05-27-2006, 01:18 AM
but the shooter isn't going to plow into you...he's trying to get around. bottom line...if your feet are moving...you don't have position. Instances ur r talkin abt r rare.
Actually, yavoon has got it right on this point. If the offensive player lowers his shoulder and just goes right into the defensive player, it's a charge even if the defender's feet are moving.

I wouldn't call it rare... It may not happen every game, but you see a lot of players who are slashers, guys who want to get to the basket every time, etc, get called for it on a pretty regular basis.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2006, 01:04 PM
Can you imagine what the Mavericks would be doing if they still had Steve Nash? And Michael Finley? Man, that would be scary.
They both left as FA's, right?

The Mavs would be much different with Nash and Finley. Avery Johnson wouldnt have been coach. they wouldnt have brought in guys like Diop, Griffin, etc. Nellie would prabably still be talking about how they couldnt beat the Pismo Beach Panthers.

Dirk, Nash, and Fin would still be playing small ball and living/dying by the jumper just like Phoenix is. Dallas fans enjoyed that, but many of us got tired of getting into the second round of the playoffs or the conference finals and losing because the other team totally ate up the interior defense and Nash's back finally gave way.

Nash wasnt resigned because of his back. Fin was cut because he wouldnt come off of the bench and became a locker room distraction.

Dallas would still be the leading offense in the league, winning loads of games, and would still have very little hope against the Spurs in the playoffs. The reason that has changed is because Fin, Nash, and Nellie are all gone and Dirk is the only one of the bunch to become a complete player.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2006, 01:06 PM
Actually, yavoon has got it right on this point. If the offensive player lowers his shoulder and just goes right into the defensive player, it's a charge even if the defender's feet are moving.

I wouldn't call it rare... It may not happen every game, but you see a lot of players who are slashers, guys who want to get to the basket every time, etc, get called for it on a pretty regular basis.

Yep. There are players that are notorious for that move. Shaq is now getting called for it more...Amare Stoudemire made a living off of it...Malone could pull that one off.

GonzoLays
05-27-2006, 01:10 PM
Actually, yavoon has got it right on this point. If the offensive player lowers his shoulder and just goes right into the defensive player, it's a charge even if the defender's feet are moving.

I wouldn't call it rare... It may not happen every game, but you see a lot of players who are slashers, guys who want to get to the basket every time, etc, get called for it on a pretty regular basis.

Just like when Nowitzki lowered his shoulder into Bowen to make that layup on the final play of regulation in Game 7. Is that what you are talking about?

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-27-2006, 02:20 PM
Actually, he got past Bowen. Bowen was on his right side.

Wrong again. Take that crap off of your signature. It's not what I said.

RhymesayersDU
05-27-2006, 02:29 PM
Just like when Nowitzki lowered his shoulder into Bowen to make that layup on the final play of regulation in Game 7. Is that what you are talking about?
Are you high? No way that was a charge.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2006, 02:35 PM
Are you high? No way that was a charge.

I guess he had to come up with an excuse as to why his cute little crusade was made a mockery of with one play.

epicSocialism4tw
05-27-2006, 11:15 PM
the Miami Heat just knocked off the Pistons for the second time in 3 games. Is this a strange playoffs or what?

maven
05-27-2006, 11:18 PM
http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/nba/img9465643.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
05-28-2006, 09:51 AM
I really like Wade as a player. He plays alot like MJ.

I dont think that he'll be as good as LeBron James, but he'll have a nice career.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-28-2006, 12:05 PM
I actually think the Heat might be a worse matchup for Dallas than the Pistons. The Mavericks have no answer for Shaq.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-28-2006, 01:46 PM
And who do the Heat have that will match up with Dirk?

ludo21
05-28-2006, 02:52 PM
I actually think the Heat might be a worse matchup for Dallas than the Pistons. The Mavericks have no answer for Shaq.


First they have to beat the Suns. ;D

Game 3 tonight!! WOOOOOO!!!!!!!

BBQ, Suns, does it get better? :strong:

JCMElway
05-28-2006, 03:50 PM
C'mon everyone! No pilling on now that the Heat are up 2-1? Where's the "Pistons are going down!" bravado?

As for me, I'm not worried. Pistons take the next three!!!

ludo21
05-28-2006, 08:01 PM
Pistons Suck, Heat > Pistons!!!! ;D


Fun game tonight, goooo sunnnssss!!!!

The Big E
05-28-2006, 08:04 PM
The Pistons seem to like doing things the tough way, but to me it just seems that there's something missing this year. A little less fire, a little less determination....I'm not totally sure. I hope they win this series, though.

Suns/Mavs staring Q3. C'mon Suns. Looking sloppy starting the 3rd.

GonzoLays
05-28-2006, 08:06 PM
And who do the Heat have that will match up with Dirk?

Why are you worrying about how you are going to afford that down payment on a Ferrari when you can't even pay your rent?

Dallas ain't gettin' past the Suns. Phoenix in six.

NostraGonzomus.

RhymesayersDU
05-28-2006, 08:11 PM
The Pistons seem to like doing things the tough way, but to me it just seems that there's something missing this year. A little less fire, a little less determination....I'm not totally sure. I hope they win this series, though.

Suns/Mavs staring Q3. C'mon Suns. Looking sloppy starting the 3rd.
It's coaching. Flip can't coach in the playoffs.

The Big E
05-28-2006, 08:15 PM
It's coaching. Flip can't coach in the playoffs.
WTF are you talking about? He got Minnesota past round one once in 7 years. Isn't that good?;)

Suns are putting in a 3rd quarter clunker.

Jens1893
05-28-2006, 09:05 PM
Dirkules and his Mavs take a 2-1 lead in the series. Go Dirk! Go Mavs!

ludo21
05-28-2006, 09:11 PM
ugly 2nd half, too many missed shots/rushed jumpers.

Good D by Mavs on some TO's, but a lot of unforced errors by the Suns killed them down the stretch.

Then in the last minute it was like watching the Cavs game again where they refused to rebound the ball.

Nuggets4
05-28-2006, 09:20 PM
It's coaching. Flip can't coach in the playoffs.

After tonight, I think it's pretty obvious D'Antoni can't either. Dallas deserved that one. Should be interesting to see if Phoenix can fight back or if they fold.

Finger Roll
05-28-2006, 09:36 PM
After tonight, I think it's pretty obvious D'Antoni can't either. Dallas deserved that one. Should be interesting to see if Phoenix can fight back or if they fold.

tough to coach when you're only 6 deep because of injuries. It's amazing that he got them this far.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-28-2006, 09:39 PM
Dallas ain't gettin' past the Suns. Phoenix in six.

NostraGonzomus.

HAHAHAHA!

Finger Roll
05-28-2006, 09:39 PM
ugly 2nd half, too many missed shots/rushed jumpers.

Good D by Mavs on some TO's, but a lot of unforced errors by the Suns killed them down the stretch.

Then in the last minute it was like watching the Cavs game again where they refused to rebound the ball.

Sucks we're prolly going to lose to another team from the redneck state of Texas

Finger Roll
05-28-2006, 09:41 PM
HAHAHAHA!

Figures you'd root for a team for the limp wristed city called Dallas

Bob's your Information Minister
05-28-2006, 09:42 PM
Amazing defense tonight by the Mavericks. Nash and the Suns look worn down.

I really hate D'antoni.

The Big E
05-28-2006, 09:55 PM
ugly 2nd half, too many missed shots/rushed jumpers.

Good D by Mavs on some TO's, but a lot of unforced errors by the Suns killed them down the stretch.

Then in the last minute it was like watching the Cavs game again where they refused to rebound the ball.
When the Suns look bad, they really look bad. They didn't get any of the hustle plays, and gave up way too many long rebounds,most of which bounced off the Suns' hands.

Man, if we have a Miami-Dallas finals it'll be another uninteresting finals (for me, anyway). I wonder what teams the NBA prefers? I'd assume they want Shaq and Wade there, but I'm not sure about the West.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-28-2006, 10:23 PM
Gonzo, you should know by now to not make predictions about things you know little about. Suns are running low on gas, not sure how much more they can put out there.

I am a Dirk Nowitness.

Clockwork Orange
05-29-2006, 12:32 AM
A little late in posting this, but it's too good not to share.

ludo21
05-29-2006, 01:12 PM
tough to coach when you're only 6 deep because of injuries. It's amazing that he got them this far.


D Antoni has done a great job!! 2 straight W. Cong Finals, Id say he knows what he is doing.

Sure the Suns need more D, and thats what Kurt and Grant were for, but they are out, so there goes that plan. They play "enough" D to get by.

I mean with Bell out, they run:
Nash
Marion
Diaw
Barbosa
Jones
House

and thats it, its amazing they are this far in the playoffs. I sure hope Bell comes back soon...

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-29-2006, 01:42 PM
I'll keep this in this thread so a few people can see it and I can claim that I'm not bragging, but here's a piece the NBC station here in Dallas did on me. Yeah, no crap - they did a piece all about me.

http://www.nbc5i.com/video/9282574/index.html

And it's Mavs-related, so it actually fits!

PS - Die Suns, die.

GonzoLays
05-29-2006, 04:46 PM
I'll keep this in this thread so a few people can see it and I can claim that I'm not bragging, but here's a piece the NBC station here in Dallas did on me. Yeah, no crap - they did a piece all about me.

http://www.nbc5i.com/video/9282574/index.html

And it's Mavs-related, so it actually fits!

PS - Die Suns, die.

Props!

Bob's your Information Minister
05-29-2006, 05:19 PM
GonzoLays the Information Minister!

GonzoLays
05-29-2006, 05:42 PM
I really like Wade as a player. He plays alot like MJ.



Jumping on the Heat's bandwagon already? Jeez, the Mavs haven't even lost the conference finals yet. I thought you were fast when you jumped off the Bulls bandwagon to join the Mavs but already hedging your bets before the Mavs have been eliminated has to be somekind of bandwagon record.

RhymesayersDU
05-29-2006, 07:10 PM
Stick a fork in Detroit.

ludo21
05-29-2006, 10:22 PM
Stick a fork in Detroit.


not yet.

They still arent done. But dang close.

24champ
05-29-2006, 10:28 PM
I didnt call you out publicly buddy, it was in the PMs that I said the Pistons wont win game 2 etc. They almost blew it but I feel good about the Heat going into games 3 and 4. Heat will win series.
:thumbsup: !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya!

GOOOO HEAT AND SHAQ!!!!!!:egbgb: :egbgb: :egbgb:

epicSocialism4tw
05-30-2006, 12:51 AM
Phoenix fans seem to come prepared with an army of excuses as to why their team might lose to the Mavericks. It all boils down two a few simple things though: defense, rebounding, and interior dominance.

Even with the strongest roster they will probably ever have under D'Antoni (Stoudie, Nash, Joe Johnson, Marion, and Q), their style didnt translate to championship style basketball. It's Nellie-Nash ball, and it has garnered the same results in Phoenix as it did in Dallas. When they encounter a well-coached and disciplined team who can take them out of their game, they crumble because they play a one-trick pony, gimmicky style based on pick 'n' roll/ pick 'n' pop plays that result in three pointers or dunks. This year they arent getting the dunks. They are a much worse team than they were last season.

I will certainly eat my words if they hang on to beat Dallas, but it doesnt look good right now for the Suns. If they are depending on Boris Diaw and Barbosa to put them over the top in the Conference Finals, then they are up a creek.

Yes, they are in the conference finals, but they got there by beating the # 7 seed, barely above .500 Lakers, and the first time playoffers who lost on purpose down the stretch so they didnt have to play Dallas in the first round and ended up with a 6 seed.

The Suns needed 7 games to beat both of those mediocre teams.

Why? Because they dont have a foundation based on something that is reliable. Their foundation is the jumpshot from 18 feet and beyond. That creates all kinds of problems in the playoffs. Rebounders are pulled away from the basket and dont have time to get set, post play is not refined throughout the season, jumpshooters are streaky, etc.

The Suns are set up for playoff failure.

I wouldnt count them out yet because anything can happen, but things are not looking good for them now that Dallas has gotten a better handle on the transition game.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-30-2006, 01:34 AM
And Nash has played worse with every game.

Sassy
05-30-2006, 05:52 AM
Dwayne Wade Rocks ;D

Nuggets4
05-30-2006, 07:13 AM
Congrats Rulon. It's nice to see a marching group using matched grip instead of traditional. Your wrists will thank you in a few years.

BTW, to those defending D'Antoni, I have to question your sanity. He has been AWFUL this series at using his timeouts to stop runs. The Mavs are dangerous, you do not want them to get any momentum going. So why does he continue to let them go on 10-0 runs without calling a timeout?

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-30-2006, 08:18 AM
Traditional 90% of the time, matched the other 10. But I've been playing like that for about 12 years now so I'm used to it.

Nuggets4
05-30-2006, 08:54 AM
Traditional 90% of the time, matched the other 10. But I've been playing like that for about 12 years now so I'm used to it.

*shudder* Traditional on a flat drum is a nightmare. Did you do corps?

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-30-2006, 09:33 AM
*shudder* Traditional on a flat drum is a nightmare. Did you do corps?

Marched bass at Carolina Crown in 98, but have been playing snare (mainly) and quads since 93. Suits me just fine. I have a textbook left ;)

Montaq
05-30-2006, 10:45 AM
Very cool, Dodge. I listen to you guys everyday.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-30-2006, 01:52 PM
Tim Thomas' vagina is showing again:
-----------------------------------

Thomas not happy about flagrant foul

By Jerry Brown
East Valley Tribune
May 29, 2006

Suns forward Tim Thomas made it plain he didn’t appreciate or respect the flagrant foul from Dallas’ Josh Howard late in the second quarter of Sunday’s loss to the Mavericks in Game 3 of the Western Conference finals.

Howard hit Thomas in the face on a drive to the basket. Thomas then walked through Howard and Dallas teammate Jason Terry on his way to the free throw line, and he and Terry exchanged shoves before each was hit with a technical foul.

Thomas said he plans no retribution against Howard or Terry (“I’m not going to pick on the little guys; I’ll go after a 7-footer or 6-11-plus guy”), even though the opportunities are plentiful.

“Their little guys are constantly going to the lane and it would be easy to take someone out,” Thomas said. “But that’s not me and not the way you play the game. I don’t know if it was trying to set a tone or a message, but it does absolutely nothing.”

Thomas recalled a 2004 playoff game when he was with the Knicks in which he was carried off the court on a stretcher after being hit by Jason Collins of the Nets while in the air. Thomas demanded retaliation from his teammates that time — he did no such thing Monday.

“I’ve been in situations like that before — being paralyzed from the waist down for 10 minutes,” he said. “When a guy is going up and is vulnerable and you come across his body for a hard foul — it’s not a good play.”

-Slap-
05-30-2006, 02:28 PM
Stick a fork in Detroit.
Ben Wallace is tailor made for Snaq because he doesn't make him do any work on the defensive end.

ludo21
05-30-2006, 02:38 PM
So the flagrant on Thomas was a good foul? Im all for hard fouls, but basically shoving a guy in mid air is dangerous.

Going to be a good game tonight, cant wait.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-30-2006, 09:27 PM
Ugh. The Mavericks finally played a poor game in the playoffs.

Just win the home games, Dallas!

ludo21
05-30-2006, 10:08 PM
WOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOOOOO

Bell was awesome tonight. Defense was back, brought team morale.

Diaw is coming along, at the perfect time too!

Great game on both sides of the court. Defense is about effort, and they finally showed some tonight.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-30-2006, 10:13 PM
I don't know if Bell was "awesome", but he certainly provided the edge the team needed. Might have cost himself another game after tweaking the calf again near the end. If he goes again in Game 5 he won't be at the level he was tonight.

And holy **** was Dallas terrible. TCU would have beaten them. Poor shooting, poor defense, poor transition, poor ballhandling, turnovers galore, no real leader out there, no difference maker, stupid plays across the board. I hope they get their asses whipped into shape and show up a little better for Thursday's game. But hey - they can't possibly play any worse, can they?

ludo21
05-31-2006, 06:18 PM
Elimination game on now. Can Detroit beat the Heat?

JCM, id be sweating beads if i were you.

JCMElway
05-31-2006, 10:36 PM
Heh. Don't worry Ludo, I'm still sweating, even after winning game 5. But, if Detroit can pull out game 6, how much stress does that put the Heat under? It could be Deja Vu all over again......

The thing that worries me, tho', is that Detroit can't seem to hit open jumpers and 3s to save their life, and Wade is a God out there. 76% in FG in wins and 55% in losses? Wow. Just Wow.

I am very concerned that Chauncey and Sheed can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn. If one of those two start hitting 3s, watch out.

The Big E
05-31-2006, 10:45 PM
Heh. Don't worry Ludo, I'm still sweating, even after winning game 5. But, if Detroit can pull out game 6, how much stress does that put the Heat under? It could be Deja Vu all over again......

The thing that worries me, tho', is that Detroit can't seem to hit open jumpers and 3s to save their life, and Wade is a God out there. 76% in FG in wins and 55% in losses? Wow. Just Wow.

I am very concerned that Chauncey and Sheed can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn. If one of those two start hitting 3s, watch out.
Rip hasn't exactly been ripping it up either. They're going to need to have all of their guns at least hitting the side of the barn if they're going to pull this series out of their arses.

I hate to say it, but I just don't see it happening. I think I'm on the wrong end both times in my desire to see a Suns-Pistons final, but I haven't lost hope yet.

JCMElway
05-31-2006, 10:54 PM
Rip hasn't exactly been ripping it up either. They're going to need to have all of their guns at least hitting the side of the barn if they're going to pull this series out of their arses.

I hate to say it, but I just don't see it happening. I think I'm on the wrong end both times in my desire to see a Suns-Pistons final, but I haven't lost hope yet.

I'm skeptical myself. The things that give me hope are the fact that when Detroit is playing well as a unit, they're a better team than Miami. When the defense is able to clamp down on Wade it's a great thing. However, Wade may very well go MJ on detroit.

And Detroit's shooters may wake up, they've done it before.

DarkHorse30
06-01-2006, 01:02 AM
laughable line from the king of no-calls after Ben Wallace stuffed him.

RhymesayersDU
06-01-2006, 01:04 AM
I need to see the replay of that again. I missed the whole game, and walked into the house in the middle of the replay. I think it was clean (and amazing if so) but I want to see it again.

But I still <3 Shaq.

Clockwork Orange
06-01-2006, 01:06 AM
It was a clean block.

Clockwork Orange
06-01-2006, 01:10 AM
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/e2170435-f9a5-441a-89ed-24f525e66b2e.jpg
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/2ed0d742-ff8e-40bc-a32d-1531acbcc7fa.jpg

RhymesayersDU
06-01-2006, 01:15 AM
Clean it is. Nice job Big Ben.

Shaq's response should have been: "It was a clean block. I played like Erick Dampier on that play."

ludo21
06-01-2006, 09:51 AM
Clean it is. Nice job Big Ben.

Shaq's response should have been: "It was a clean block. I played like Erick Dampier on that play."


Seriously......

Big Ben is strong, this I know, but Shaq is 300 +, you gotta at least force the foul on that play by going up strong.

Still Heats series to lose, so we will see.

Big game 5 tonight in Dallas, can the Suns put out another great effort, or will they be gassed...

The Big E
06-01-2006, 10:33 AM
I'm skeptical myself. The things that give me hope are the fact that when Detroit is playing well as a unit, they're a better team than Miami. When the defense is able to clamp down on Wade it's a great thing. However, Wade may very well go MJ on detroit.

And Detroit's shooters may wake up, they've done it before.
Good point, and a positive way to look at it. Detroit definitely does have room for improvement in their game, and if they start hitting their shots they have a pretty good chance.

Master___Pain
06-01-2006, 12:31 PM
Clean it is. Nice job Big Ben.

Shaq's response should have been: "It was a clean block. I played like Erick Dampier on that play."

Can anyone point me to a video of Wallace's block?

Clockwork Orange
06-01-2006, 12:43 PM
Can anyone point me to a video of Wallace's block?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWo-VA1mf6Y&search=Ben%20Wallace%20Shaq

The Big E
06-01-2006, 01:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWo-VA1mf6Y&search=Ben%20Wallace%20Shaq
Thanks for posting that. I wasn't able to watch the game and hadn't seen the play. That was sweet. It looked like a volleyball spike, and it sure looked like he got all ball (minor incidental body contact maybe, but good no-call).

GonzoLays
06-01-2006, 01:09 PM
The Suns are going to win this series. The Mavericks like to spread the court and play small ball and who plays small ball better than the Suns? The Mavs can't go big in this series because Diop and Dampier can't guard Diaw's drives and Tim Thomas's outside shot. So they are rendered useless for this series.

So to match the Sun's the Mavs have to cut their rotation. Terry, Daniels, Dirk, Howard, Harris, Stackhouse, and Van Horn are going to get all the run. That makes 7 guys in their rotation with Diop/Damp getting spots minutes to matchup with Kurt Thomas incase he actually plays.

Nash matches up with Terry
Bell matches up with Daniels
T.Thomas matches up with Notwitzki
Marion matches up with Howard

And that leaves Diaw with a major advantage on whoever gaurds him. Stack, Harris, and Van Horn are all going to have trouble with this guy.

I like the Suns in six. With atleast two blowouts along the way.

This is simply a bad matchup for the Mavs.

So far I have been on the money.

Diaw is giving the Mavs fits...

The Suns have already blown out the Mavs once...

I'm half way there baby! All the Suns got to do is squeeze out a victory tonight in Dallas and then blow them out in game six in Phoenix and its ovah!

NostraGonzomus

ludo21
06-01-2006, 04:58 PM
So far I have been on the money.

Diaw is giving the Mavs fits...

The Suns have already blown out the Mavs once...

I'm half way there baby! All the Suns got to do is squeeze out a victory tonight in Dallas and then blow them out in game six in Phoenix and its ovah!

NostraGonzomus


When Diop plays, Diaw has trouble, but problem is keeping him on the floor..

Hopefully the Suns can force the Mavs hand and keep Diop on the bench, because he is the only defender to stop Diaw.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-01-2006, 09:25 PM
50 points, 11 boards

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/DNA119060123_1024x768.jpg

watermock
06-01-2006, 09:26 PM
Ummm...

Clockwork Orange
06-01-2006, 09:27 PM
Footage of Bob's postgame celebration.

http://maxgohan.com/upload/files/24/dance.gif

ludo21
06-01-2006, 09:29 PM
Wow, from the little of the game I could watch, the Suns SUCKED!! Ha!

BOX FREAKING OUT!!! MAn that is getting on my nerves... TO many easy tip ins by Dallas.

O well, onward to game 6 and the elimination game. Good game by Dallas and Dirk, what a stud.

watermock
06-01-2006, 09:29 PM
He reminds me of a certain comedian.

Breck Bronc
06-01-2006, 09:32 PM
Keep this crap in its own thread, meatpeeker.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-01-2006, 09:35 PM
Best news about tonight was the refs. The Mavs finally won a game in which Dan Crawford officiated. They are now 1-9 in games he refs.

ludo21
06-01-2006, 09:38 PM
Just saw the Bell Tech, ewwww..... Call was called wayyyy late.... should NOT have been called if he was going to wait that long.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-01-2006, 09:58 PM
Gawd I hate that biatch Tim Thomas. I guess he was kissing Dirk goodnight, though...

4th quarter points -

Dirk - 22
Tim Thomas - 0

The Big E
06-01-2006, 10:37 PM
I just want the Suns to force game 7 and then they can just let it all hang out. The way they shoot they'll have a puncher's chance, even if the Mavs have the better, or at least deeper, team.

I'm hoping Bell clotheslines Dirk and slams him to the ground so that I can laugh and celebrate.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-01-2006, 10:47 PM
I doubt Bell can elevate that far on his gimpy calf.

epicSocialism4tw
06-01-2006, 10:52 PM
Wow. 50 points on 14-26 shooting and 12 boards in game 5 of the Western Conference Finals. This guy is having an unbelievable season.

Dirk's quote paraphrased: "I saw the game slipping away, and I knew that I had to do something about it."

After Dirk decided to take over the game, here are the results:

Dirk: 22
Phoenix: 20

epicSocialism4tw
06-01-2006, 10:56 PM
I just want the Suns to force game 7 and then they can just let it all hang out. The way they shoot they'll have a puncher's chance, even if the Mavs have the better, or at least deeper, team.
I'm hoping Bell clotheslines Dirk and slams him to the ground so that I can laugh and celebrate.


He sure did his darndest to hurt a Mav while levying a cheapshot on Josh Howard after the whistle tonight. Then he had the audacity to whine about the technical foul. It will be fitting for Bell to lose.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-01-2006, 11:04 PM
Bell and Tim Thomas can both take their fake toughness on vacation with them soon.

epicSocialism4tw
06-01-2006, 11:06 PM
Bell and Tim Thomas can both take their fake toughness on vacation with them soon.

They can both look up in awe as Dirk continues to use them as fuel to build his NBA all-time top 50 resume.

ludo21
06-01-2006, 11:36 PM
Bell and Tim Thomas can both take their fake toughness on vacation with them soon.

Ha!

right.....

Dirk was great tonight,

Jens1893
06-02-2006, 12:43 AM
http://rlv.zazzle.com/isapi/designall.dll?action=realview&pdt=shirt&rvtype=product&background=false&overflow=hidden&overfloweffect=false&pending=false&pid=235252570314232086&view=front&max_dim=500&style=basic_dark_tshirt&color=navyblue

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 12:47 AM
Jens, our Wunderkind is fast becoming a legend of Staubach proportions here in Dallas. That is uncharted territory for a basketball player in Dallas Cowboy country.

With a trip to the Finals, Dirk will have become a bonafide legend here after his otherworldly playoff performances.

Jens1893
06-02-2006, 12:53 AM
Did you know he´s suffering from an angina and hasn´t even had a proper night´s sleep in a while as he has to get up every 2-3h to put some ice on his ankle?

Papers here are calling him Dirkules.

ludo21
06-02-2006, 08:45 AM
Dirkules??? HAhahah thats awesome.

He has been amazing.

So he is becoming a legend in Dallas already, this is the farthest he has ever made it into the playoffs..... too easy to become a legend these days.

Jens1893
06-02-2006, 09:23 AM
Random thought that might only interest me, did you know that Witz in German means joke?

Jens1893
06-02-2006, 09:27 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/02/AR2006060200019_2.html

The delirious patrons at American Airlines Arena saw something that has never happened in the NBA until Game 5: they watched a European completely take over the American game in June.

Asked how such a thing could happen, Suns Coach Mike D'Antoni said it was a case of the Mavericks' best player, "just being seven feet and shooting the ball better than anybody on the planet."

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 10:57 AM
Dirkules??? HAhahah thats awesome.

He has been amazing.

So he is becoming a legend in Dallas already, this is the farthest he has ever made it into the playoffs..... too easy to become a legend these days.

Dirk has always been excellent in the playoffs. One mediocre series against Houston was weighted way to much by the general public. They must have missed his previous performances. Its a regular occurrance for Nowitzki to raise several major statistical averages in the playoffs.

Like I have said over and over on the Omane for the past 2-3 years, Dirk has always played well in the playoffs. This season, however, he has played on the level of an all-time great.

There is simply not another player that has done what Dirk is doing since MJ left. Carrying a team on his back deep into the playoffs with legendary performances.

I'll let the Sports Guy Bill Simmons finish this off for me:

"Question No. 1: What has been the unsung story of the playoffs?
Dirk Nowitzki. Although that could change after his torching of Phoenix on Thursday night -- 50 points, 12 rebounds and one of the all-time "we're not gonna lose this game" stretch runs (scoring 24 of 34 Dallas points in one stretch to put the game away). I know Nash won the MVP, LeBron and Wade have more upside, Duncan is the best all-around player, Kobe is the most explosive ... but if you could count on one franchise guy in a playoff series this spring, would you pick anyone other than the world's most famous Hasselhoff fan?

It's been refreshing to watch a great player refine his game and make the necessary fundamental/philosophical changes to become a dominant force -- like realizing that it's not OK to bitch out teammates on national TV, or finding a consistent way to punish smaller defenders on isolation plays. Even before Thursday, I thought Dirk took a Bob Beamon-level leap from "Franchise Guy" to "Potential Pantheon Guy" over the past six weeks, capped off by his incredible seven-game stretch from Game 4 of the Spurs series through Game 3 of the Suns series where he averaged 29 points and 16 rebounds a game and made the single biggest play of the playoffs: the three-point play in Game 7 against the Spurs.

Considering the circumstances, didn't that play rank with Magic's sky hook against the '87 Celtics, Bird's steal-and-pass against the '87 Pistons, MJ's basket-steal-basket sequence to end the '98 Finals, Jerry West's half-court bomb to save Game 2 of the '70 Finals and every other I-need-to-come-up-big-RIGHT-NOW clutch play in NBA history? Think about the context: Dallas was 20 seconds away from blowing a 3-games-to-1 lead, trailing by three with 20 seconds left, reeling from a blown 20-point lead and a gut-wrenching, go-ahead bomb from Ginobili, and they were playing on the road to boot. So they call the play for Nowitzki, who would have settled for a fallaway jumper as recently as last spring. Not this year. He takes Bruce Bowen into the paint with that herky-jerky, back-you-down move he developed over the summer, sneaks by him, gets to the rim, absorbs the contact from Ginobili, finishes the shot, draws the foul AND buries the free throw.

Ask yourself this one: How many superstars have singlehandedly altered the course of the playoffs with one play?

One more: Is there anyone who can guard Nowitzki right now? Opponents don't bother sticking the taller Duncan/Garnett types on him (Dirk beats them off the dribble whenever he wants). The Bowen/Bell types don't have a chance because of his creative post-guys-up-at-the-foul-line game, which has become unstoppable now that he mastered his fallaway turnaround. So who's left? Lanky forwards like Shawn Marion or Tim Thomas would seem to have the best chance -- they haven't come close to stopping Nowitzki but at least made him work for his points -- but even when Dirk's shot isn't falling, he's adopted the Larry Bird trick of crashing the offensive boards and making up those points on putbacks and foul shots. And we haven't even mentioned his 3-point shooting yet. I just don't think there's any way to fully shut him down.

Which brings me to my point: Dirk is playing at a higher level than any forward since Bird. Everyone else from the past 25 years was flawed in some way. Garnett and Malone had trouble taking over games. Barkley was better suited as a second banana; teams could handle him in the final minutes because of his shaky shot selection. Duncan is the best all-around power forward ever, but his poor free-throw shooting makes him a dicey option down the stretch. (Just look at what happened at the end of regulation in Game 7: the Spurs ran the final play for Ginobili.) But Nowitzki doesn't have any holes -- he scores against anyone, makes his free throws, grabs big rebounds in traffic, protects the rim, even doles out the right amount of sneers and chest bumps. He's been a killer all spring, a true assassin, and I certainly never imagined writing that about Dirk Nowitzki."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060602

Mile High Shack
06-02-2006, 11:12 AM
where is anubis, I want to hear him say "oh Dirk, he's "OK"" again

I'm not even a mavericks fan, but you have to admit, Dirk is really playing well.

probably the best of anyone left in the playoffs, maybe except for Dwayne Wade

and to gonzo and the rest.....the suns still going to beat the mavs in 5 or 6 games? ;)

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 11:47 AM
Part Suns owner, former Spur, and former Jordan teammate Steve Kerr:

"It was a performance that conjured up the great names of the NBA's past – Bird, Magic, Jordan, you name it. Nowitzki was that good. He personally willed his team to the victory with a stunning display of skill, desire and athleticism."

Garcia Bronco
06-02-2006, 12:42 PM
Looks like a heat/Mavs final.


But....

Did you guys see Ben Wallace put Shaq on his ace the other night. Amazing. I've never seen that happen to Shaq.

ludo21
06-02-2006, 01:46 PM
Part Suns owner, former Spur, and former Jordan teammate Steve Kerr:

"It was a performance that conjured up the great names of the NBA's past – Bird, Magic, Jordan, you name it. Nowitzki was that good. He personally willed his team to the victory with a stunning display of skill, desire and athleticism."


As I have also said before.

NO ONE can guard him if Dirk is hitting his shots.

Tall guys cant, he will beat them to the hoop, small guys cant because he can post up easily. The best you can do is force fade away jumpers and hope he misses ( which he wasnt in the late 4th)

Going to be a fun game 6, the Suns arent going to just go away, they have willed themselves this far by shear heart. I sure hope they force a game 7, because in that kind of game, ANYTHING can and will happen!!

Jens1893
06-02-2006, 02:11 PM
www.nba.com/suns ... the flash intro is awesome

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-02-2006, 03:30 PM
"The delirious patrons at American Airlines Arena saw something that has never happened in the NBA until Game 5: they watched a European completely take over the American game in June."

Crazy. They moved the Mavs-Suns game to Miami?

A Mavs-Heat Final will confuse a lot of people. American Airlines CENTER is in Dallas. American Airlines ARENA is in Miami. Just call them the "Ack" and the "Aah".

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 03:31 PM
As I have also said before.
NO ONE can guard him if Dirk is hitting his shots.
Tall guys cant, he will beat them to the hoop, small guys cant because he can post up easily. The best you can do is force fade away jumpers and hope he misses ( which he wasnt in the late 4th)
Going to be a fun game 6, the Suns arent going to just go away, they have willed themselves this far by shear heart. I sure hope they force a game 7, because in that kind of game, ANYTHING can and will happen!!

First off, someone needs to tell racist Tim Thomas not to tick off the Big German wearing #41 for Dallas.

Dallas got barely anything from the rest of their team outside of Dirk and they still blew out the Suns...bringing the German hammer down in the fourth quarter. Howard and Diop contributed some, but other than that, the rest of the team flat-out sucked. Dirk showed his little buddy what an MVP is supposed to look like in the conference finals.

If Dallas can get another guy to contribute beside Dirk, Diop, and Howard, game 6 will be another Mav victory.

Northman
06-02-2006, 04:27 PM
where is anubis, I want to hear him say "oh Dirk, he's "OK"" again




Thats funny, i didnt hear you calling me out after Dirk's monster performance in game 4? What did he have? 11 points? wow, thats astounding for a SUPERSTAR. At least if your going to talk sh!t at least be consistent. Dirk had a awesome game, im happy for him. I have now dubbed him Dirk Diggler. And whats with the crazy photo with him throwing his tongue out? Sounds like he is juiced up on HEAVY METAL. ;)

Mile High Shack
06-02-2006, 04:28 PM
Thats funny, i didnt hear you calling me out after Dirk's monster performance in game 4? What did he have? 11 points? wow, thats astounding for a SUPERSTAR. At least if your going to talk sh!t at least be consistent. Dirk had a awesome game, im happy for him. I have now dubbed him Dirk Diggler. And whats with the crazy photo with him throwing his tongue out? Sounds like he is juiced up on HEAVY METAL. ;)

I'm not talking any crap

I just want you to admit you were wrong about Dirk...he is a great player

and it isn't heavy metal, it's david hasselhoff ;)

Northman
06-02-2006, 04:29 PM
I'm not talking any crap

I just want you to admit you were wrong about Dirk...he is a great player

and it isn't heavy metal, it's david hasselhoff ;)


I never said he wasnt a great player. People think just because i dont call him a Superstar that it takes something away from him. Im not, he is a great player hands down. I would start a team with him.......next to a few other players. 8')

JCMElway
06-02-2006, 04:33 PM
Looks like a heat/Mavs final.


But....

Did you guys see Ben Wallace put Shaq on his ace the other night. Amazing. I've never seen that happen to Shaq.

Wade has the flu and was puking his guts out last night. That may be huge for Detroit if Wade can't get to 100%.

Of course, MJ cemented his legendary status by burying the Jazz when he had a 102 degree temperature. We shall see....

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-02-2006, 06:29 PM
Dirk is a superstar. Over 40 straight games of 20+ points and willing his team to not lose a crucial Game 5 in the WCF by doing something only a few men in NBA history have done. It's been proven.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-02-2006, 06:31 PM
If Dallas can get another guy to contribute beside Dirk, Diop, and Howard, game 6 will be another Mav victory.

And I will be shocked, too. Stackhouse and Terry have been average in this series. Devin Harris was great in game one and then disappeared.

ludo21
06-02-2006, 07:05 PM
Game 6 on now, Shaq is playing very well, and Detroit is still sucking on offense.

watermock
06-02-2006, 07:11 PM
I just saw two blocking fouls called against Miami when both feet were planted,

FantomForce
06-02-2006, 07:20 PM
Of the two you saw was one of them with thier feet in the defensive circle?

Jason in LA
06-02-2006, 07:22 PM
I have never liked charging fouls. Reward a guy for jumping infront of another guy, then just stop playing defense. I get sick of seeing that. Most charges should be blocking fouls. I can understand it if the offensive player had a step to change direction, but sometimes the offensive player has no chance of getting out of the way of a guy that at the last second jumped infront of him.

The Big E
06-02-2006, 07:27 PM
I am so pissed because my satellite's been out for the past 5 days and won't be repaired until tomorrow. Only one game has been on regular TV during that time.

From the box score at the half it looks like Shaq is completely dominating the game. He has to pick his spots now, but still has it in him for stretches, unfortunately. Pistons shooting 30% at the half? WTF is up with them?

watermock
06-02-2006, 07:30 PM
Doesn't matter where you are if your feet are set and you don't hack with the arms. The blocking foul still amuses me. If you establish the position that is yours.

watermock
06-02-2006, 07:34 PM
Don't even start with officiating...I saw the SuperBowl, might of been the worst officiated game of all time.

They used to let Shaq bull thru people and no call. That was so absurd it was rediculus.

Clockwork Orange
06-02-2006, 07:49 PM
Doesn't matter where you are if your feet are set and you don't hack with the arms.

Actually it does. There's a semi-circle in the paint, right near the basket. A defender who has so much as a foot on that line can not draw a charge, regardless of their position.

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 08:27 PM
It looks like Shaq and the Heat will see their first NBA Finals. This might be the Heat's last chance, as Shaq looks like a shell of his former self these days. Wade is a solid player, but without Shaq in the post you are talking about an entirely different situation and one that doesnt look promising for a slashing two guard.

Congrats Miami on extending your season another 4 games. Dallas will rip your heart out and shove it down your throat. ;D

Bob's your Information Minister
06-02-2006, 08:29 PM
I don't see a bad free throw shooting team beating Dallas.

Clockwork Orange
06-02-2006, 08:33 PM
I don't see a bad free throw shooting team beating Dallas.

Wade's not a bad free throw shooter, and he gets to the line a lot.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-02-2006, 08:36 PM
Wade's not a bad free throw shooter, and he gets to the line a lot.

Miami as a team is one of the worst.

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 08:37 PM
Miami as a team is one of the worst.

Shaq is poor, and so is Antoine Walker. Im not too sure about Haslem. Mourning cant shoot.

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 08:39 PM
Dirk vs. Shaq.

Not a bad NBA Finals at all.

Clockwork Orange
06-02-2006, 08:39 PM
Miami as a team is one of the worst.

Hasn't hurt them thus far and they shoot a lot of them. They're pretty adept at getting opponents in foul trouble.

They've got an good interior scorer, a great slasher and roleplayers who can shoot. They're a tough matchup for anyone.

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 08:44 PM
Wade had a pedestrian night with 6-15 for 14 points.

Good thing that his teammates carried the team. Shaq had another good one in him.

Edit: Wade is a nice player, and is fun to root for, but the Miami Heat will not beat the Dallas Mavericks without dominant performances from Shaq on both ends.

Clockwork Orange
06-02-2006, 08:51 PM
You'd better worry about finishing off Phoenix first. Their style of play gives them at least a punchers chance. They've come up huge in some pressure situations in these playoffs already.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-02-2006, 08:53 PM
Phoenix is dead. Nash is only getting worse as the series moves on.

Consider their wins in the series thus far:

Game 1 - Mavericks were totally unprepared for the transition from the Spurs to the Suns and their transition defense sucked. It's been corrected.

Game 4 - The Mavericks played maybe their worst game of the playoffs.

Clockwork Orange
06-02-2006, 08:58 PM
Phoenix is dead. Nash is only getting worse as the series moves on.

Consider their wins in the series thus far:

Game 1 - Mavericks were totally unprepared for the transition from the Spurs to the Suns and their transition defense sucked. It's been corrected.

Game 4 - The Mavericks played maybe their worst game of the playoffs.

::)

Yeah, that's only about the 8th time during these playoffs that someone has pronounced the Suns to be out of gas. Yet here they are, still in it.

I'm not saying they're going to win the series, but to write them off seems pretty foolish......but considering that I'm talking to you, that's pretty much par for the course.

The Big E
06-02-2006, 08:59 PM
Phoenix is dead. Nash is only getting worse as the series moves on.

Consider their wins in the series thus far:

Game 1 - Mavericks were totally unprepared for the transition from the Spurs to the Suns and their transition defense sucked. It's been corrected.

Game 4 - The Mavericks played maybe their worst game of the playoffs.
Typical boob, never giving credit to the other team, only giving excuses for his own. Phoenix's chances aren't great, but you're a fool to think it's over.

However, if it comes down to it, I may end up donning a #41 Mavs jersey if they end up playing Miami.;D

Bob's your Information Minister
06-02-2006, 09:01 PM
All I know is the Spurs gave us a much more difficult time. Even when we won, we could have lost real easily (one-point games).

I'll eat my crow if Phoenix finds a way to win tomorrow...

The Big E
06-02-2006, 09:06 PM
I just don't think the Suns are the kind of team you want to face in a game 7, because if they're on, they're trouble for anyone. Despite my homerism for the Suns, I thnk the Mavs probably win a close one in game 6.

Phoenix is just so damn thin. However, as CO pointed out, they've supposedly been out of gas about 6 times already in the playoffs, yet find a way to survive.

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 09:08 PM
No doubt that it's not over. It is obvious, though, that if Dallas plays at the top of their game and Phoenix does the same, that Dallas shows better.

Phoenix has been resillient in series' against the Clippers and the Lakers. Both of which arent in the same universe with Dallas.

I'm not saying that Phoenix cant win, but that Dallas is pretty darn good when there is blood in the water, and Phoenix is bleeding pretty badly right now. 2 games left, and Dallas just has to win one of them. After an inspirational and historically outstanding performance by Nowitzki, I expect Dallas' role players to try to prove that they can help him. If those guys step up, Phoenix is done no matter how well they play.

Jason in LA
06-02-2006, 09:16 PM
I've seen plays where the offensive player has taken flight, while in mid air, a defensive player slides into his path and quickly gets his feet planted. When the offensive player glides into him it's a charge. I call BS on that. How is the offensive player supposed to change direction in mid air? Defenders shouldn't be rewarded for not playing defense.

ludo21
06-02-2006, 11:36 PM
Dirk vs. Shaq.

Not a bad NBA Finals at all.


LOL I wouldnt count your chickens yet man.

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2006, 11:49 PM
LOL I wouldnt count your chickens yet man.

I'll take my fair share of crow if Dallas loses, but if I'm Dallas, I dont fear anything that the Suns can bring. Its all one big gimmick.

JCMElway
06-03-2006, 12:00 AM
**sigh**

Pretty depressed right now. Horrible FG percentage for my boys tonight. Chauncey and Sheed shot the ball horribly. Good looks, but no love.....It's sad, too, cause the Heat weren't that dominating, Pistons just stunk up the joint.

Anywho, the Pistons should be able to make a run for the next couple of years, it's been a nice stretch.

So, when does football season start?

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2006, 12:08 AM
**sigh**
Pretty depressed right now. Horrible FG percentage for my boys tonight. Chauncey and Sheed shot the ball horribly. Good looks, but no love.....It's sad, too, cause the Heat weren't that dominating, Pistons just stunk up the joint.
Anywho, the Pistons should be able to make a run for the next couple of years, it's been a nice stretch.
So, when does football season start?

Sorry JCM...I know it sucks to lose after a season with such high hopes. They need to shore up Benny Wallace and prepare for next season.

There is consolation. The World Cup is here next week. That can take your mind off of it really quickly.

In the meantime, you can adopt a Dirk Nowitzki avatar if you want ;D :)

Pick Six
06-03-2006, 12:30 AM
Phoenix is dead. Nash is only getting worse as the series moves on.

For those of you counting on the Mavericks to move on to the playoffs, Bob has officially cursed your team. I hope you know that...:blowhorn:

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2006, 12:34 AM
For those of you counting on the Mavericks to move on to the playoffs, Bob has officially cursed your team. I hope you know that...:blowhorn:

He "cursed" them before Dirk's career elevating Game 7 against the Spurs, so I'll let his boisterous claims slide. Maybe it's like anti-bad superstition?

Nuggets4
06-03-2006, 09:13 AM
I feel for the Mavs fans like Rulon Velvet Jones. He's bringing solid takes and he has Llama and Bob doing everything they can to piss off the Basketball Gods.

ludo21
06-03-2006, 09:15 AM
I feel for the Mavs fans like Rulon Velvet Jones. He's bringing solid takes and he has Llama and Bob doing everything they can to piss off the Basketball Gods.


Ha!

They are just soo happy to be here finally. The Suns really need some other guys to step up as well, but when your team is 7 deep (if Bell plays) who else can step up?

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-03-2006, 11:11 AM
I can't relax until this season is over. Phoenix is playing the role of the wounded tiger in this current series. I seriously doubt they'll go down without a huge fight. I think if Dallas survives the initial and 3rd quarter onslaughts, then they should be able to pull this one out tonight. But if Phoenix can play level-headed and keep their cool, I'll have to soothe another ulcer before looking to Monday night's game.

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2006, 12:04 PM
I feel for the Mavs fans like Rulon Velvet Jones. He's bringing solid takes and he has Llama and Bob doing everything they can to piss off the Basketball Gods.

Mav fans just have confidence that they are going to triumph because of their past results.

It will be a monumental failure to lose to the Suns, who arent anywhere near as talented, motivated, or tough as the team that they just beat in a road series. It would be an upset, and a result of Dallas not taking care of business. Dallas is the better team. To lose would be a gutless result, and these Mavs (especially Dirk) have shown some serious guts in the playoffs. They have looked like a championship team.

GonzoLays
06-03-2006, 12:38 PM
Mav fans just have confidence that they are going to triumph because of their past results.

It will be a monumental failure to lose to the Suns, who arent anywhere near as talented, motivated, or tough as the team that they just beat in a road series. It would be an upset, and a result of Dallas not taking care of business. Dallas is the better team. To lose would be a gutless result, and these Mavs (especially Dirk) have shown some serious guts in the playoffs. They have looked like a championship team.

Why do you speak on behalf of all Mavs fans when you are a Chicago Bulls fan?

Know your role.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-03-2006, 12:51 PM
Suns still winning this one in 6, Gonzo?

GonzoLays
06-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Suns still winning this one in 6, Gonzo?

Mathematically impossible at this point. Gotta give it up for Dirk though, he was amazing in game five.

I still like the Sun's chances in game six. If it gets to a game seven, who knows?

But if Dirk pulls off another performance like he had in game five its ovah.

ludo21
06-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Suns still winning this one in 6, Gonzo?


Yep tonights game counts as 2 Suns wins ;)

Too bad I gotta work, I guess MR. Radio will have to tell me the score at work, blah.

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2006, 01:02 PM
Mavs @ Suns Game 6 Keys: Mavs

1) The Mavs' supporting cast must contribute for Dallas to win. Dirkules showed up in fine form again with an all-time great NBA playoff performance in game 5, but the Mavs need someone outside of Dirk, Howard, and Diop to bring something to the game and effect play on either side of the ball. With the offense and defense diversified, the Suns could be scrambled badly enough to take them completely out of their offense for large portions of the game.

2) Rebounding. If Dallas can get second chance opportunities while cleaning up their own glass, they can get more shots up than the Suns. Dallas is typically the more efficient offense, so more offensive posessions at a better conversion rate would be a great help in slowing the tempo of the game to a pace that Dallas excels at.

3) Defending the pick n roll and pick n pop. Devin Harris made several critical mistakes in the last game by not rotating out to the perimeter when the Suns initiated the pick n pop. The result was Tim Thomas setting up for wide open threes. In Dallas' system, the guard is supposed to switch to the perimeter player, and Harris' inexperience cost the Mavs. Nowitzki has done a very nice job of keeping Nash in front of him on the switch and has funneled him successfully to the baseline throughout the series. If Nash makes a play on Dirk on the switch, it's usually a spectacular fade-away. Dirk is making him work for his points. Its up to the guard to shut down the perimeter. Harris and Terry really need to execute in that defensive set for the Mavs to win. If Phoenix starts hitting threes and getting the crowd involved, it will really make things difficult.

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2006, 01:16 PM
Have the Suns given up?

"We've [come back] against teams that are pretty good, but not this good," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said.

D'antoni must be reading my posts! ;D

24champ
06-03-2006, 01:28 PM
Couple of things, Shaq's team has never lost a series after winning a game one. Shaq was 12-14, 16 rebounds, 5 assists, and 28 colossal points but gives no true indication of how thoroughly he dominated the lane. Ben Wallace cant guard Shaq period, never has anyway. Shaq is taking his third team to the NBA finals which I think only 11 players have done? Anyway Shaq better send a get-well card to Jerry Buss and Kupchuk. Its only a matter of time before LA sportswriters turn up the heat on the Laker Management.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-03-2006, 03:02 PM
I'd like to see Mavs-Heat just to hear Shaq call Dampier "Erica" and ask if he plays in the WNBA. I know it's bagging on a Mav, but it's hilarious.

Northman
06-03-2006, 07:00 PM
Have the Suns given up?

"We've [come back] against teams that are pretty good, but not this good," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said.

D'antoni must be reading my posts! ;D


Im wondering right now if the Mavs can even keep it close. ;D

The Big E
06-03-2006, 07:06 PM
Can we just call it a game after one quarter? I still see this getting close. A lead in a Suns game, either way, is never safe.

Northman
06-03-2006, 07:11 PM
Dunno, they did pretty well in game 4. I wouldnt call 20 points close.

The Big E
06-03-2006, 07:15 PM
Dunno, they did pretty well in game 4. I wouldnt call 20 points close.
I'd love to see that result again. I'm just sayin' my boys lose a lot of leads, but I sure as hell hope it doesn't happen.

Nuggets4
06-03-2006, 07:16 PM
I don't trust the Suns. They're too streaky. Up 20 or down 20, I wouldn't rule them out of a game.

The Big E
06-03-2006, 07:24 PM
I don't trust the Suns. They're too streaky. Up 20 or down 20, I wouldn't rule them out of a game.
I agree, and that's why Dallas is playing with fire if they let this go 7. Hey, I'm up for another game.

Northman
06-03-2006, 07:31 PM
I agree, and that's why Dallas is playing with fire if they let this go 7. Hey, I'm up for another game.


Same here, ive enjoyed these Western Playoffs more than the Eastern. The Suns have made every series something worth watching.

Liebs
06-03-2006, 09:03 PM
I can assure you if the Suns had Amare, this would have been no contest. good job dallas

The Big E
06-03-2006, 09:05 PM
Same here, ive enjoyed these Western Playoffs more than the Eastern. The Suns have made every series something worth watching.
I'd still prefer to watch your avatar. Nice job by the Mavs. Now please finish the job and knock Shaq's fat ass out.

Clockwork Orange
06-03-2006, 09:05 PM
Congrats to the Mavs on their first Finals appearance. The toughest task lies ahead of them.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 09:20 PM
I LOVE THIS SH1T AND I MAY MOVE TO ENGLAND!!!

http://www.fmstar.com/graphic/j/j0171.jpg

Liebs
06-03-2006, 09:21 PM
I LOVE THIS SH1T AND I MAY MOVE TO ENGLAND!!!

http://www.fmstar.com/graphic/j/j0171.jpg
i think that's the first time you've ever made me laugh.

Clockwork Orange
06-03-2006, 09:23 PM
I LOVE THIS SH1T AND I MAY MOVE TO ENGLAND!!!

http://www.fmstar.com/graphic/j/j0171.jpg

Yep, you get to keep frontrunning for one more series.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 09:30 PM
Yep, you get to keep frontrunning for one more series.

Here's proof of my old-school cred as a Mavericks fan. I dug this out of my closet tonight.

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/1952/mavshat9gc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Clockwork Orange
06-03-2006, 09:32 PM
Here's proof of my old-school cred as a Mavericks fan. I dug this out of my closet tonight.

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/1952/mavshat9gc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yeah, proof positive that you're a real die hard. So much so that you never so much as spoke of the Mavs during the regular season and bailed like a rat off a sinking ship last year when they were knocked out of the playoffs.

But you've got a picture of a tattered hat. That's devotion. ::)

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 09:35 PM
Yeah, proof positive that you're a real die hard. So much so that you never so much as spoke of the Mavs during the regular season and bailed like a rat off a sinking ship last year when they were knocked out of the playoffs.

But you've got a picture of a tattered hat. That's devotion. ::)

How can I bail when I never even mentioned them?

Suffice it to say that I never rooted for another team. Not one iota.

THIS ONE'S...FOR POPEYE JONES!!

The Big E
06-03-2006, 09:35 PM
Here's proof of my old-school cred as a Mavericks fan. I dug this out of my closet tonight.

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/1952/mavshat9gc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
First Boob comes out of the closet, now his hat.

Clockwork Orange
06-03-2006, 09:39 PM
How can I bail when I never even mentioned them?

Suffice it to say that I never rooted for another team. Not one iota.

THIS ONE'S...FOR POPEYE JONES!!

You're just as bad as the jerkoffs in this town who suddenly became die hard Nuggets fans when Carmelo Anthony got here. Just like the Cleveland fans who mysteriously started living and dying by the Cavs once Lebron arrived.

Give me someone who stuck by those putrid Mavs teams of the early to mid 90's, my hat is off to him. Not the people who refuse to acknowledge a teams existence until things start going well for them.

Bandwagoners and frontrunners are a part of the sports culture. Always have been, always will be. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 09:41 PM
Give me someone who stuck by those putrid Mavs teams of the early to mid 90's, my hat is off to him..

That's me. Where the fvck do you think I got that hat? Circa 1995, biatch.

The Big E
06-03-2006, 09:44 PM
That's me. Where the fvck do you think I got that hat? Circa 1995, biatch.
BFD, you have a hat that's been stuffed in your closet for over 10 years, and bandwagonner that you are, you just NOW pull it out. That sure proves a lot.

Clockwork Orange
06-03-2006, 09:46 PM
That's me. Where the fvck do you think I got that hat? Circa 1995, biatch.

Yes, you have a hat that's been buried in your closet and hasn't seen the light of day in years as proof of your allegience. Very convincing. If you're such the fan, why haven't you worn the hat? Why exactly did you bury it in your closet? You only got up the nuts to pull it out after they'd advanced to the Finals. How courageous of you.

As I said, frontrunning fag.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 09:50 PM
If you're such the fan, why haven't you worn the hat?

Uh, maybe because it's a CHILD'S hat?

I'm not a frontrunning fag. I don't root for ANYONE else. By your logic, I should have been a Spurs or Pistons fan the last few years.

Northman
06-03-2006, 09:51 PM
I can assure you if the Suns had Amare, this would have been no contest. good job dallas


I think Dallas would have still given them a fight but i agree with Amani its a whole different senario. Phoenix did a nice job putting up a fight throughout this entire postseason.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 09:52 PM
Well I like the Mavericks in 6.

WHAT? WHAT?

BOB'S YOUR NOSTRADAMUS!!!!

Clockwork Orange
06-03-2006, 09:52 PM
Uh, maybe because it's a CHILD'S hat?

I'm not a frontrunning fag. I don't root for ANYONE else. By your logic, I should have been a Spurs or Pistons fan the last few years.

No, moron, that would make you a bandwagoner if you rooted for someone else. A frontrunner is one who waits until the team is successful to suddenly procliam themself a die hard fan. That's you, frontrunning fag.

Mile High Shack
06-03-2006, 09:53 PM
I think Dallas would have still given them a fight but i agree with Amani its a whole different senario. Phoenix did a nice job putting up a fight throughout this entire postseason.

you also thought this was a bad matchup even w/o Amari........you had the Suns winning in 6

so sorry ;)

Mile High Shack
06-03-2006, 09:53 PM
WHAT? WHAT?

BOB'S YOUR NOSTRADAMUS!!!!

you weren't the only one to pick them in 6 ding dong

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 09:54 PM
No, moron, that would make you a bandwagoner if you rooted for someone else. A frontrunner is one who waits until the team is successful to suddenly procliam themself a die hard fan. That's you, frontrunning fag.

I don't think I proclaimed myself as any type of fan. I simply joined in the discussion and you decided to take a stab at me for it.

I'll admit I'm not the most hardcore, but that doesn't make me a frontrunning fag.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 09:55 PM
you weren't the only one to pick them in 6 ding dong

So?

As much POOP as I take around here for apparently being wrong, you can BET YOUR SWEET ASS I'm going to live it up when I'm right about something.

Northman
06-03-2006, 09:56 PM
you also thought this was a bad matchup even w/o Amari........you had the Suns winning in 6

so sorry ;)


Guess the Suns flirted with disaster one too many times. They would get some pretty nice leads only to lose them. Phoenix has always had a great offense but their lack of defense just killed them. Until they find a defensive backbone they will continue to struggle to reach their ultimate goal.

Mile High Shack
06-03-2006, 09:58 PM
So?

As much POOP as I take around here for apparently being wrong, you can BET YOUR SWEET ASS I'm going to live it up when I'm right about something.

the sun shines on a dog's ass every once in awhile too boobs

Mile High Shack
06-03-2006, 09:59 PM
Guess the Suns flirted with disaster one too many times. They would get some pretty nice leads only to lose them. Phoenix has always had a great offense but their lack of defense just killed them. Until they find a defensive backbone they will continue to struggle to reach their ultimate goal.

that's the problem with D'Antonio's team though........he wants to outscore people

you slow the game down and if you are one of the better teams in the west, you will beat the suns if you force them to play 1/2 court about 50% of the time.

if the suns can get a D stopper, then I'll take it back, but they just don't have any defense at all

Northman
06-03-2006, 10:02 PM
if the suns can get a D stopper, then I'll take it back, but they just don't have any defense at all

So true, i believe it was Boob who said out of both these teams that the Mavs had a better defense and it showed. All the Mavs needed was a little bit of D and give credit to Johnson for giving the pep talk at halftime to have them get back to getting pressure on the defense again.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 10:04 PM
The Mavericks defense was amazing tonight. Tim Thomas is a biatch. Kiss your season goodbye, Tim! LOL

Mile High Shack
06-03-2006, 10:05 PM
all I know is, the Finals better be good

when the Hornets came back to OKC, I started watching the NBA again, and it has improved from what it use to be in the late 90's and early 2000's

they are starting to score in the 100's and 90's all the time usually.....it won't ever be fun like in the 80's when teams scored about 115 all the time.

These playoffs have got me liking the NBA again.

Mile High Shack
06-03-2006, 10:06 PM
The Mavericks defense was amazing tonight. Tim Thomas is a biatch. Kiss your season goodbye, Tim! LOL

I have to agree here

Tim Thomas is pretty transparent and a big crap talker..........he is transparent b/c he is only playing this way to get a big pay day in the offseason, and he'll disappear for any team that signs him next year after he gets his money.

Northman
06-03-2006, 10:07 PM
all I know is, the Finals better be good

when the Hornets came back to OKC, I started watching the NBA again, and it has improved from what it use to be in the late 90's and early 2000's

they are starting to score in the 100's and 90's all the time usually.....it won't ever be fun like in the 80's when teams scored about 115 all the time.

These playoffs have got me liking the NBA again.

All i know is, my Blazers better start making some good moves and get some players in there. Its been far too long since we have been deep in the Playoffs.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 10:08 PM
No team I have EVER rooted for...EVER...has made it to a world championship game/series.

Until now.

THE WORM HAS TURNED.

Mile High Shack
06-03-2006, 10:08 PM
All i know is, my Blazers better start making some good moves and get some players in there. Its been far too long since we have been deep in the Playoffs.

you all need to get something out of that Tellafair fella

I'm not sold on him at all

Northman
06-03-2006, 10:14 PM
you all need to get something out of that Tellafair fella

I'm not sold on him at all


Indeed, no doubt about it. I like Dixon being there, Blake is average but can handle the ball and Ratliff is good but he is aging. It would be nice to pick up the kid from Duke in the upcoming draft ( his name escapes me right now ) but im not sure where we are picking.

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2006, 10:32 PM
Congratulations on a season full of exceeded expectations, dedication, heart, and greatness for Dirk Nowitzki, Avery Johnson, Cuban, and co. You guys have made it fun for us Mav fans who have heard alot of garbage about our franchise for the past 15 years. Not anymore.

Dallas Mavericks: Western Conference Champions 2006.

ludo21
06-03-2006, 10:40 PM
Congrats!!!

Suns blew it. I wish I saw the game, but then again, maybe not Ha!

Im rooting for the MAvs now, beat down dem Heat.

Be ready for a tough series tho. Shaq has saved his energy all season for this.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-03-2006, 10:43 PM
Holy ****!

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2006, 10:55 PM
Holy ****!

I cant believe it's actually here! MAVS in the finals? YES!

Steve can have his MVP, Dirk is in the FINALS...going for the FINALS MVP!

GO MAVS!

The Mavs are arriving at the Piedmont Terminal of Dallas Love Field between 2:00 and 2:30 am. Get out there and show them some love if you can. I'll see ya there. :thumbsup:

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 11:05 PM
I wish I still lived in Dallas.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-03-2006, 11:29 PM
I don't.

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2006, 11:37 PM
Powerful video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FBVwtbEGDU

Bob's your Information Minister
06-03-2006, 11:37 PM
Powerful video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FBVwtbEGDU

I was JUST going to post that. LOL

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2006, 11:40 PM
No team I have EVER rooted for...EVER...has made it to a world championship game/series.
Until now.
THE WORM HAS TURNED.

Enjoy it Bob...with Denver in the AFC West, KC's chances are pretty slim. ;D

But DALLAS IS THERE NOW!!!

Go for the rings, boys! They can never take them away from you.

Is it safe to say that Dirk has been the Ubermench in these playoffs? Yes. He has been the best player in the league from the tipoff of game 1 at the start of the season.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-04-2006, 12:34 AM
I adore Mark Cuban. He's like a big kid. Look at that face.

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/PNU153060400_1024x768.jpg

Bob's your Information Minister
06-04-2006, 12:43 AM
http://www.dallasnews.com/audio/0604mavsfinalcall.mp3

Bob's your Information Minister
06-04-2006, 01:58 AM
Suns win it in six. The Mavs are terrible at defense and can't handle Phoenix's firepower or style of play.

LOL

24champ
06-04-2006, 03:26 AM
I actually think the Heat might be a worse matchup for Dallas than the Pistons. The Mavericks have no answer for Shaq.
Yup Shaq knows that too.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041004/041004_shaq_oneal_hmed.hmedium.jpg
Shaq- "We play the Mavs? Damn this is too good to be true!"

epicSocialism4tw
06-04-2006, 03:44 AM
Shaq better show a little better than the last time they played.

Dallas won by what...37? 36? 38?

Miami fans are awfully confident for a team without home court, without an answer for the best player in the post season Nowitzki, and without the benefit of knowing that a Miami Heat team with Shaq has ever beaten Dallas. They are 0-4 against Dirk and co. under Shaq.

epicSocialism4tw
06-04-2006, 03:45 AM
Bring on the Heat. The Mavs have seen tougher and better teams in all three rounds.

24champ
06-04-2006, 03:55 AM
Shaq better show a little better than the last time they played.

Dallas won by what...37? 36? 38?

Miami fans are awfully confident for a team without home court, without an answer for the best player in the post season Nowitzki, and without the benefit of knowing that a Miami Heat team with Shaq has ever beaten Dallas. They are 0-4 against Dirk and co. under Shaq.
I hope the Mavs are thinking that the Heat is the same team as they faced in the regular season because they will be in for a suprise.:welcome:

Pistons had home court and we all know what happened. Game one is pivotal, Shaq is 26-0 in a series after winning game one.

24champ
06-04-2006, 04:00 AM
Bring on the Heat. The Mavs have seen tougher and better teams in all three rounds.
Heat just played the second Best team in the NBA far as im concerned.:pimp:

-Slap-
06-04-2006, 09:20 AM
I adore Mark Cuban. He's like a big kid. Look at that face.

Queer.

Nuggets4
06-04-2006, 10:09 AM
You're just as bad as the jerkoffs in this town who suddenly became die hard Nuggets fans when Carmelo Anthony got here. Just like the Cleveland fans who mysteriously started living and dying by the Cavs once Lebron arrived.

Give me someone who stuck by those putrid Mavs teams of the early to mid 90's, my hat is off to him. Not the people who refuse to acknowledge a teams existence until things start going well for them.

Bandwagoners and frontrunners are a part of the sports culture. Always have been, always will be. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

That's why I'm happy for Rulon Velvet Jones here. Don't get me wrong RVJ, I still hope you guys lose, but at least there's one good thing to come out of this. ;)

epicSocialism4tw
06-04-2006, 12:15 PM
Miami is in trouble. Dallas is the best team in the league. I'm wondering if we should go ahead and get out the brooms or not.

And by the way, this is the same Miami team that Dallas trounced by thirty-something, and no amount of smack talk and "we're different now" talk can change that.

ro_50
06-04-2006, 04:47 PM
Congrats to the Mavs fans that have waited years for its team to make it to the Finals.

I think this has the chance to be a special series, like last year's 7-game marathon between the Spurs and Pistons.

I dont have a preference to who wins or not but its a good story either way to see who wins because of the veterans of guys like Zo, Payton and on Dallas's side, assistant coach Rolando Blackmon.

I think Dallas prevails in 6. I do think the two best teams played in the WC Semis, and you know who the other team is.

Northman
06-04-2006, 06:54 PM
Miami is in trouble. Dallas is the best team in the league. I'm wondering if we should go ahead and get out the brooms or not.

And by the way, this is the same Miami team that Dallas trounced by thirty-something, and no amount of smack talk and "we're different now" talk can change that.


Only one problem, Riley is a Championship coach while Avery is very young and wet under the ears yet. Not too mention if Shaq is healthy and on the ball Dallas will have no one to stop him. You can boast about games during the season but we all know postseason is a different story.

ro_50
06-04-2006, 07:10 PM
Miami is in trouble. Dallas is the best team in the league. I'm wondering if we should go ahead and get out the brooms or not.

And by the way, this is the same Miami team that Dallas trounced by thirty-something, and no amount of smack talk and "we're different now" talk can change that.


I dont think this is going to be a sweep.

epicSocialism4tw
06-04-2006, 09:04 PM
I dont think this is going to be a sweep.

I was being dramatic. But, I do think that Dallas is superior, and I think that their superstar is the best player in the series. Dirk has had a postseason for the ages.

I do agree with your sentiment about the Spurs. Having watched the Playoffs pretty thoroughly, I havent seen a team as good as the Spurs who were just a smidge less of a team than Dallas is. Detroit has looked like crap for the entire playoffs and the Suns got handed a platter full of patsies until they played a good team. To Nash's credit, he got two W's, but the Suns just werent anywhere near what the Spurs were.

epicSocialism4tw
06-04-2006, 09:10 PM
Only one problem, Riley is a Championship coach while Avery is very young and wet under the ears yet. Not too mention if Shaq is healthy and on the ball Dallas will have no one to stop him. You can boast about games during the season but we all know postseason is a different story.

Sure, the postseason is different. In the postseason, Nowitzki has been the best player in the world for three straight series. I dont expect that to change here.

Dallas is not Detroit. Dallas is much, much better and is freshly motivated to win the title.

Get ready to see a tired Shaq in the fourth quarter of games, as Dallas will run his big butt up and down the floor when he is in there.

azbroncfan
06-04-2006, 09:12 PM
Dallas also has the self proclaimed shaq stopper.

epicSocialism4tw
06-04-2006, 09:38 PM
Dallas also has the self proclaimed shaq stopper.

That's not accurate. He said that he was the second-best center in the league behind Shaq. Quite an overstatement, but not a statement that he can shut down Shaq. I dont know if there is another quote out there that I missed, but I dont remember him saying that he was a "Shaq stopper".

With all of that said, Damp is as good of a defender for Shaq that you will find in the league. He is great at corralling spin moves and forcing them to the baseline, has great strength and leverage to hold his footing in the post, has the reach to disrupt shots (that arent dunks), and is a great rebounder. Dampier is the best per minute rebounder in the NBA. Especially on the offensive boards. Damp will have an impact in this series. I expect him to get zero respect from the officials, so his impact could get lessened by foul trouble. The Mavs also have Diop, who is a big dude in his own right.

Dallas has two big/strong quality defensive centers to play Shaq with. I dont know if Shaq will be able to stay on the court all the time anyway because Dallas is going to go into run and gun mode. If Dallas uses that strategy often (which they probably will), then how is Miami going to slow it down? With Williams at point? With Payton at point? Miami would be in serious trouble defensively if Dallas plays the Harris/Terry combo and Diop at center while pushing the ball. The Miami centers would be in constant foul trouble.

yavoon
06-05-2006, 01:08 AM
I nominally hope dallas wins but it seems their bandwagon is rather full of douche's lately.

epicSocialism4tw
06-05-2006, 01:27 AM
I nominally hope dallas wins but it seems their bandwagon is rather full of douche's lately.

Dallas is the statistically proficient offensive team. I would expect that you jump on the bandwagon since they knocked off their former point guard.

I think that the Heat's bandwagon will be the one that begins to get heavy. They've got two marketable shoe commercial stars. Dallas has a tall, awkward offensive player from Europe. It doesnt matter how much he dominates the playoffs...his bandwagon wont fill up before a shoe commercial star's.

Pick Six
06-05-2006, 03:19 AM
I think that the Heat's bandwagon will be the one that begins to get heavy. They've got two marketable shoe commercial stars. Dallas has a tall, awkward offensive player from Europe. It doesnt matter how much he dominates the playoffs...his bandwagon wont fill up before a shoe commercial star's.

Ah yes. However, the Mavericks have this guy. He's ALWAYS entertaining to watch...

Bob's your Information Minister
06-05-2006, 04:01 AM
Only one problem, Riley is a Championship coach while Avery is very young and wet under the ears yet.

How oh how did Avery ever win any playoff games against the Spurs?

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-05-2006, 08:22 AM
I'm worried about Gonzo.

Northman
06-05-2006, 04:22 PM
How oh how did Avery ever win any playoff games against the Spurs?


What? How did you draw that correlation from Riley being a Championship Coach? Has Johnson even won a title yet? next....

epicSocialism4tw
06-06-2006, 12:02 AM
Is this why some Celtic fans hate Nowitzki??


O'Brien: Nowitzki like Bird?


by: Jim O'Brien
posted: Monday, June 5, 2006 | Feedback (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/mailbagESPN?event_id=10964)

The month of June signals the forthcoming of two highly anticipated events in the NBA: the NBA Finals and the NBA draft. After witnessing Dirk Nowitzki (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3252)'s spectacular performances that led the Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal) into the Finals, I recalled the 1998 draft night and how everything fell into place just right.


The Boston Celtics (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) had the 10th pick in the draft and we desperately wanted to add Nowitzki to our roster...


Well, one reason we felt this scenario was realistic was that the international evaluating process was not nearly as diligent as it is today. As a matter of fact, we did not even have enough video of Nowitzki to properly evaluate him. Rick Pitino had to fly to Germany to spend a day-and-a-half working out with Nowitzki because our GM Chris Wallace had noticed the big fellow during a European swing and really liked what he saw. Pitino was blown away after getting on the court with Nowitzki, and immediately sensed he was a rising star.

As we all know, Red Auerbach was pretty good at this draft thing. He is an "I've got to see it to believe it" type of guy. You had better be when it comes to staking your franchise's future on a draft pick. Even though the choice was Pitino and Wallace's to make, everyone felt it was extremely important to get Auerbach's blessing on any player who was going to wear green.

Well, how would you describe Nowitzki to Auerbach in 1998 without referencing Larry Bird? It's a very dangerous comparison to make to anyone, especially to the man that was responsible for drafting Bird and managing his phenomenal career.

Red: "What's this German kid like?" Rick: "Well Red, he is seven feet tall and has the skills of a guard." Red: "How's he shoot it?" Rick: "Red, he is a great shooter with big-time range, and has a release that no one is capable of blocking." Red: "Does he work at the game?" Rick: "Excellent work effort. It wouldn't surprise me if he is the first player in the gym every day." Red: "Hey, wait a second, what color hair does this kid have?" Rick: "Blonde." Red: "This kid sounds like Bird." Rick: "You said it Red, I didn't."

As the draft progressed that night in 1998, we suspected that Dallas was the only foreseeable threat to grab Nowitzki first because they were relatively advanced in international scouting. When Dallas picked Robert Traylor (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3249) sixth, we held onto a glimmer of hope that Nowitzki could eventually slip to 10th. Sacramento picked next and chose Jason Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3250), and Philadelphia grabbed Larry Hughes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3251) with the eighth pick. We were certain we were going to nab a stellar player because Nowitzki and Paul Pierce (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3253), who had surprisingly slipped, were still on the board.

We all know what unfolded next: Milwaukee picked Nowitzki and had a prearranged deal with Dallas that shipped the young German to the Mavs. Luckily, Pierce fell into our hands and has had a great career with the Celtics.

As Red might say, "You can never be compared to a Larry Bird until you lead your team to a championship." Well...

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The Celts thought that they had Nowitzki in the bag.

Northman
06-06-2006, 12:25 PM
He cant be compared to Bird anyway. Bird was AUTOMATIC.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-06-2006, 12:29 PM
He cant be compared to Bird anyway. Bird was AUTOMATIC.

So is Dirk alot of the time. In the second half of that 50-point game he was on FIRE.

Northman
06-06-2006, 12:38 PM
So is Dirk alot of the time. In the second half of that 50-point game he was on FIRE.

Well, forgive me if i wait till Dirk wins a few championships before i christen him.

epicSocialism4tw
06-06-2006, 12:41 PM
Well, forgive me if i wait till Dirk wins a few championships before i christen him.

If Nowitzki wins the Championship this season without another superstar on his team, he will be doing something that Bird never did. Leading a team on his own to the world Championship. The last player to do that was Mike Jordan, and even he had Scottie Pippen, Grant, and Rodman along the way. Dont get this confused, Im not saying that Dirk is Mike, but when you look at what Nowitzki is doing in that perspective, his performances against Memphis, SA, and Phoenix all become pretty impressive. i cant wait to see what he does in the Finals. He's having a GREAT year...as in all-time great.

Clockwork Orange
06-06-2006, 12:41 PM
Well, forgive me if i wait till Dirk wins a few championships before i christen him.

You're talking to somone who never actually saw Larry Bird play try to compare him to someone else. Consider the source.

But don't forget, Lebron is the next Jordan. So is Kobe. So is Wade. ::)

Northman
06-06-2006, 12:45 PM
If Nowitzki wins the Championship this season without another superstar on his team, he will be doing something that Bird never did. Leading a team on his own to the world Championship. The last player to do that was Mike Jordan, and even he had Scottie Pippen.


Or, you could say that the NBA of today is really watered down with talent. By this i mean watching the reruns of the Lakers/Celtics games is worlds better by shooting standards than the players of today. And what about Jason Terry? Jason is a very good compliment player much like Pippen if you ask me. Although Bird did have some help i wouldnt say they are THAT much better than what Dirk has to deal with. Ainge and Johnson were a good back court but i would even give Terry the edge to both of them. Obviously Chief and Mchale are better than what Dallas has to offer on their team. But either way, Dirk has a LONG way to go before he should even be mentioned in the same breathe as Bird.

epicSocialism4tw
06-06-2006, 12:47 PM
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But don't forget, Lebron is the next Jordan. So is Kobe. So is Wade. ::)

I hate that stuff too. Let these guys have their own legacy without trying to look at them through Jordan glasses. The media complains about the state of the league because they dont have Jordan, Bird, or Magic anymore, but if they would just look around they would see several players leaving their own marks on the league...including Duncan, who is one of the top couple of players of all-time.

Clockwork Orange
06-06-2006, 12:47 PM
Or, you could say that the NBA of today is really watered down with talent. By this i mean watching the reruns of the Lakers/Celtics games is worlds better by shooting standards than the players of today. And what about Jason Terry? Jason is a very good compliment player much like Pippen if you ask me. Although Bird did have some help i wouldnt say they are THAT much better than what Dirk has to deal with. Ainge and Johnson were a good back court but i would even give Terry the edge to both of them. Obviously Chief and Mchale are better than what Dallas has to offer on their team. But either way, Dirk has a LONG way to go before he should even be mentioned in the same breathe as Bird.

Actually, the one I keep hearing people rave about is Josh Howard.

epicSocialism4tw
06-06-2006, 12:49 PM
Or, you could say that the NBA of today is really watered down with talent. By this i mean watching the reruns of the Lakers/Celtics games is worlds better by shooting standards than the players of today. And what about Jason Terry? Jason is a very good compliment player much like Pippen if you ask me. Although Bird did have some help i wouldnt say they are THAT much better than what Dirk has to deal with. Ainge and Johnson were a good back court but i would even give Terry the edge to both of them. Obviously Chief and Mchale are better than what Dallas has to offer on their team. But either way, Dirk has a LONG way to go before he should even be mentioned in the same breathe as Bird.

Jason Terry is as good as Pippen? Uhhh...Im not too sure about that.
McHale and Parrish were a couple of all-time greats. McHale is considered by many to be the top PF of all time.

Clockwork Orange
06-06-2006, 12:51 PM
I hate that stuff too. Let these guys have their own legacy without trying to look at them through Jordan glasses. The media complains about the state of the league because they dont have Jordan, Bird, or Magic anymore, but if they would just look around they would see several players leaving their own marks on the league...including Duncan, who is one of the top couple of players of all-time.

Of course. Can't just let him be the first Lebron, he has to be the next Jordan or Magic. Somehow people got obssessed with drawing parallels between players. Hell, when Andre Iguodala was drafted they immediatly compared him to Scottie Pippen. ::)

And we agree on Duncan, he's the best player of this generation and will easily be top 10 of all time when he's done.

Northman
06-06-2006, 12:51 PM
Jason Terry is as good as Pippen? Uhhh...Im not too sure about that.
McHale and Parrish were a couple of all-time greats. McHale is considered by many to be the top PF of all time.


Its still early for Terry but i still feel he is the second most important part of that team. And yes, Parrish and Mchale are really great, not sure about alltime PF though at least not by my standards.

epicSocialism4tw
06-06-2006, 12:56 PM
Actually, the one I keep hearing people rave about is Josh Howard.

I call Josh "Rodpippen" because he plays like a little of Pippen mixed with a little of Rodman. He has enormous potential in Dallas' system if he can become more consistent. His value comes because of the way Dirk opens up the offense to a player with Josh's skills. Josh will be mismatched much of the time with a big guy if the opponent covers Dirk with a SF. He will also be given free reign to attack the boards if he is matched up with a smaller player. Josh is also a solid man defender. He has the perfect skill set to compliment Dirk...all he has to do is start being consistent.

You'll hear alot Mav fans talk about home Josh v. road Josh. Josh doesnt always show up on the road.

Northman
06-06-2006, 01:01 PM
And we agree on Duncan, he's the best player of this generation and will easily be top 10 of all time when he's done.

Oh, There's no Doubt about that.

epicSocialism4tw
06-06-2006, 01:02 PM
Of course. Can't just let him be the first Lebron, he has to be the next Jordan or Magic. Somehow people got obssessed with drawing parallels between players. Hell, when Andre Iguodala was drafted they immediatly compared him to Scottie Pippen.
And we agree on Duncan, he's the best player of this generation and will easily be top 10 of all time when he's done.

LeBron is definately his own player. He's an explosive power player that reminds me alot of Dominique Wilkins, but with more strength, unmatchable court vision, great ball handles, and a complete game. The kid is just a freak. He's like Nowitzki...there is no answer for what he brings. Whenever either of those guys decide to take control, there is nothing that an opponent can do about it. I think that they are the only two guys in the league that present that problem.

When it's all said and done, LeBron might be the best player of all-time.