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GSRelyea
05-04-2006, 12:08 PM
KENTUCKY DERBY 132 FIELD
Purse: $2,000,000 added - 1 1/4 miles
Post Horse Jockey Trainer M/L Odds
1 Jazil Fernando Jara Kiaran McLaughlin 30-1
2 Steppenwolfer Robby Albarado Danny Peitz 30-1
3 Keyed Entry Pat Valenzuela Todd Pletcher 30-1
4 Sinister Minister Victor Espinoza Bob Baffert 12-1
5 Point Determined Rafael Bejarano Bob Baffert 12-1
6 Showing Up Cornelio Velasquez Barclay Tagg 20-1
7 Bob and John Garrett Gomez Bob Baffert 12-1
8 Barbaro Edgar Prado Michael Matz 4-1
9 Sharp Humor Mark Guidry Dale Romans 20-1
10 A.P. Warrior Corey Nakatani John Shirreffs 15-1
11 Sweetnorthernsaint Kent Desormeaux Michael Trombetta 10-1
12 Private Vow Shaun Bridgmohan Steve Asmussen 50-1
13 Bluegrass Cat Ramon Dominguez Todd Pletcher 30-1
14 Deputy Glitters Jose Lezcano Tom Albertrani 50-1
15 Seaside Retreat Patrick Husbands Mark Casse 50-1
16 Cause to Believe Russell Baze Jerry Hollendorfer 50-1
17 Lawyer Ron John McKee Robert Holthus 4-1
18 Brother Derek Alex Solis Dan Hendricks 3-1
19 Storm Treasure David Flores Steve Asmussen 50-1
20 Flashy Bull Mike Smith Kiaran McLaughlin 50-1

I like Brother Derek- and will prob play Point Determined, SweetNorthernSaint and Lawyer Ron with him. It is always a crapshoot with these 20 horse fields but that usually means plenty of money to win if you are lucky. Should be a great race, there are a lot of quality horses.
yhova
05-04-2006, 12:50 PM
AP Warrior - Always go middle of the pack my friend
Crushaholic
05-04-2006, 02:48 PM
Just for fun, I'll make a pick. Showing Up will win...
TailgateNut
05-04-2006, 03:10 PM
Din't do any resaerch, so I'll take Sinister Minister!
heydensmom
05-04-2006, 03:12 PM
I'll take the grey one!
Rascal
05-04-2006, 03:13 PM
I'll take the grey one!

same here
heydensmom
05-04-2006, 03:35 PM
Is there even a grey one in this year's field. Na I usually make my pick by the confirmation of the horse...if he has a powerful hip, think legs, muscle tone
GSRelyea
05-05-2006, 08:43 AM
If anyone wants tomorrows Churchill Racing Form PM me with your email address and I will send it to you.
phillybroncosnut
05-05-2006, 12:40 PM
Well, this is the 3rd year that a Philadelphia based horse will run for the roses (Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex). I will go ahead and take another Philly based horse and take Babaro.
Rocket 7
05-05-2006, 07:01 PM
Flashy Bull
phillybroncosnut
05-06-2006, 01:04 PM
Is there even a grey one in this year's field. Na I usually make my pick by the confirmation of the horse...if he has a powerful hip, think legs, muscle tone

Flashy Bull is a dark grey horse. He also has Philadelphia ties as one of his 17 owners is Flyers Defensemen Chris Therien.

Flashy Bull has zero chance of showing let alone winning.
Bronco_Beerslug
05-06-2006, 03:00 PM
20 entries this year. At least two horses that are undefeated and a few on winning steaks of 4 or more coming in.
I put down a smallish wager on Steppenwolfer (I'm no expert handicapper).

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<td><b>Post</b></td><td><b>Horse</b></td><td><b>Trainer</b><td><b>Dosage</b></td><td><b>Jockey</b></td><td><b>M/L Odds</b></td></tr>

<tr valign=top><td align=center>1</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-jazil.htm">Jazil</a></td><td>Kiaran McLaughlin </td><td align=center>3.00 </td><td>Fernando Jara </td><td align=center>30-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>2</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-steppenwolfer.htm">Steppenwolfer </a></td><td>Daniel Peitz </td><td align=center>1.46 </td><td>Robby Albarado </td><td align=center>30-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>3</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-keyedentry.htm">Keyed Entry </a></td><td>Todd Pletcher </td><td align=center>2.60 </td><td>Pat Valenzuela </td><td align=center>30-1</td></tr>

<tr valign=top><td align=center>4</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-sinisterminister.htm">Sinister Minister </a></td><td>Bob Baffert </td><td align=center>4.00 </td><td>Victor Espinoza </td><td align=center>12-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>5</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-pointdetermined.htm">Point Determined </a></td><td>Bob Baffert </td><td align=center>3.00 </td><td>Rafael Bejarano </td><td align=center>12-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>6</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-showingup.htm">Showing Up </a></td><td>Barclay Tagg </td><td align=center>3.31 </td><td>Cornelio Velasquez </td><td align=center>20-1</td></tr>

<tr valign=top><td align=center>7</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-bobandjohn.htm">Bob and John </a></td><td>Bob Baffert </td><td align=center>3.00 </td><td>Garrett Gomez </td><td align=center>12-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>8</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-barbaro.htm">Barbaro </a></td><td>Michael Matz </td><td align=center>1.81 </td><td>Edgar Prado </td><td align=center>4-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>9</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-sharphumor.htm">Sharp Humor </a></td><td>Dale Romans </td><td align=center>2.64 </td><td>Mark Guidry </td><td align=center>20-1</td></tr>

<tr valign=top><td align=center>10</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-apwarrior.htm">A.P. Warrior </a></td><td>John Shirreffs </td><td align=center>3.33 </td><td>Corey Nakatani </td><td align=center>15-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>11</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-sweetnorthernsaint.htm">Sweetnorthernsaint </a></td><td>Michael Trombetta </td><td align=center>1.33 </td><td>Kent Desormeaux </td><td align=center>10-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>12</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-privatevow.htm">Private Vow </a></td><td>Steve Asmussen </td><td align=center>1.11 <font color=#FF0000>*</font></td><td>Shaun Bridgmohan </td><td align=center>50-1</td></tr>

<tr valign=top><td align=center>13</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-bluegrasscat.htm">Bluegrass Cat </a></td><td>Todd Pletcher </td><td align=center>3.80 </td><td>Ramon Dominguez </td><td align=center>30-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>14</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-deputyglitters.htm">Deputy Glitters </a></td><td>Tom Albertrani </td><td align=center>3.00 </td><td>Jose Lezcano </td><td align=center>50-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>15</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-seasideretreat.htm">Seaside Retreat </a></td><td>Mark Casse </td><td align=center>2.33 </td><td>Patrick Husbands </td><td align=center>50-1</td></tr>

<tr valign=top><td align=center>16</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-causetobelieve.htm">Cause to Believe </a></td><td>Jerry Hollendorfer </td><td align=center>3.00 </td><td>Russell Baze </td><td align=center>50-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>17</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-lawyerron.htm">Lawyer Ron </a></td><td>Robert Holthus </td><td align=center>4.14 </td><td>John McKee </td><td align=center>4-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>18</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-brotherderek.htm">Brother Derek </a></td><td>Dan Hendricks </td><td align=center>2.33 <font color=#FF0000>*</font></td><td>Alex Solis </td><td align=center>3-1</td></tr>

<tr valign=top><td align=center>19</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-stormtreasure.htm">Storm Treasure </a></td><td>Steve Asmussen </td><td align=center>2.20 </font></td><td>David Flores </td><td align=center>50-1</td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td align=center>20</td><td><a href="http://www.horse-races.net/library/tc06/tc-flashybull.htm">Flashy Bull </a></td><td>Kiaran McLaughlin </td><td align=center>3.00 </td><td>Mike Smith </td><td align=center>50-1</td></tr>
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GonzoLays
05-06-2006, 03:02 PM
Cause to believe, baby! Why? I have no earthly idea.
SoCalBronco
05-06-2006, 03:03 PM
I love Mint Juleps. I'll even overpay to get the watered down soda like ones in Disneyland.
Crushaholic
05-06-2006, 03:16 PM
On the other thread, I was on record as picking Showing Up...
heydensmom
05-06-2006, 03:30 PM
I dunno yet, watching the all pre-game entertainment now.....I'll let you know later.
Bronco_Beerslug
05-06-2006, 03:39 PM
I dunno yet, watching the all pre-game entertainment now.....I'll let you know later.
Just close your eyes and pick one (probably as good as any way to pick em) :)
Rock Chalk
05-06-2006, 03:40 PM
You know, the term upset comes from horse racing. The first use of the word comes from when the horse "Upset" raced "War Admiral" and won. Ever since then, when the underdog wins, its been termed an "upset".

Saw that on this show called "Assume The Position". Didnt know that and thought it was cool so I shared.
Bronco_Beerslug
05-06-2006, 03:54 PM
You know, the term upset comes from horse racing. The first use of the word comes from when the horse "Upset" raced "War Admiral" and won. Ever since then, when the underdog wins, its been termed an "upset".

Saw that on this show called "Assume The Position". Didnt know that and thought it was cool so I shared.

Didn't know that, one of the few things in life you knew and I didn't :)

Eleven days later, on August 13, 1919, came a race they are STILL talking about, and one which undoubtedly earned Saratoga its nickname as "the house of upsets" and the "graveyard of favorites". This was the Sanford Memorial. Chief opposition was to come from Golden Broom, at level weights. Upset was not considered much of a threat - Man o'War had already beaten him in their last meeting, although Upset would again carry 15 lbs less.

These were the days before starting gates, and the group circled, approached the starting line as a team, and were released by signal of the starter's flag. On this day, Man o'War was still circling when the flag fell, and was in fact, not even yet facing the right direction. It was a horrible for him - the group was gone before he got himself righted, placing him at a distinct disadvantage in this 6 furlong race. He shot straight away after them, and very soon had passed Captain Alcork, The Swimmer and Armistice. Assuming the rail would be the shortest route, jockey Loftus steered Big Red to the rail and aimed for the leader, Golden Broom. Upset was challenging for the lead, and Donnacona was starting to fade. Unfortunately, Donnacona was on the rail also, and Man o'War was forced to check go to the outside to continue his run. The 130 lbs was beginning to tell on Golden Broom, and he relinquished the lead to the courageous Upset. Man o'War continued to close resolutely, but ran out of track with a half length to go.

It was an unfair start, and Man o'War was boxed into a hopeless position during the running. Despite the injustice, Man o'War was heaped with glory for a superhuman effort in defeat. Everyone at Saratoga that day knew the best horse had not won. Upset would face Man o'War a total of six times in their careers, and would lose all the other meetings, but his single victory, a feat no other horse could claim, was enough to immortalize him.

Ten days later Man o'War avenged his loss with a triumph in the Grand Union Hotel Stakes. Upset was relegated to his more familiar second-place position.

http://tinyurl.com/hp2zc
Bronco_Beerslug
05-06-2006, 03:56 PM
Hey, the Stanley Cup is at the Kentucky Derby. Chelios has a horse in the race but didn't hear which one it was.
Arkie
05-06-2006, 04:03 PM
Lawyer Ron
Sinister Minister
Showing Up
heydensmom
05-06-2006, 04:03 PM
Just close your eyes and pick one (probably as good as any way to pick em) :)
LOL while a vaild way to pick....I've already ruled out at least 2 outta the field. Flasy Bull because they way he carried his hind quarters and Storm Treasuse
heydensmom
05-06-2006, 04:13 PM
AP warrior
Lawyer ron
Brother Derek
Stepphenwolf
Bronco_Beerslug
05-06-2006, 04:14 PM
Here we go!


Well, I won a little Show money. Barbaro smoked them!!!!
heydensmom
05-06-2006, 04:17 PM
Damn...and I didn't like Bluegrass cat.
broncohaven
05-06-2006, 09:25 PM
Picked the winner with Barbaro, but had Brother Derek and Lawyer Ron in the place/show.
Arkie
05-06-2006, 09:42 PM
I was rooting for Lawyer Ron. The Arkansas Derby winner has won four of the last six Triple Crown races over the past two years. In 2004 Smarty Jones won the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, and last year Afleet Alex won the Preakness and Belmont. This year Lawyer Ron has to win the Preakness and Belmont to keep the same pace.
broncohaven
05-06-2006, 09:48 PM
I was rooting for Lawyer Ron. The Arkansas Derby winner has won four of the last six Triple Crown races over the past two years. In 2004 Smarty Jones won the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, and last year Afleet Alex won the Preakness and Belmont. This year Lawyer Ron has to win the Preakness and Belmont to keep the same pace.
I wouldn't put a lot of money on that. Barbaro looks like the real deal. Undefeated, and untested. Edgar Prado didn't even go to the whip at all in the Derby and Barbaro ran off from the field. That's style. First horse since Seattle Slew to win the Derby with a 5 week layoff. He'll be tough to beat at Pimlico.
Arkie
05-06-2006, 10:43 PM
Triple Crown winners

1919 Sir Barton Commander J. K. L. Ross H. G. Bedwell Johnny Loftus
1930 Gallant Fox Belair Stud James Fitzsimmons Earl Sande
1935 Omaha Belair Stud James Fitzsimmons Willie Saunders
1937 War Admiral Glen Riddle Farms George Conway Charles Kurtsinger
1941 Whirlaway Calumet Farm Ben A. Jones Eddie Arcaro
1943 Count Fleet Mrs. John D. Hertz Don Cameron John Longden
1946 Assault King Ranch Max Hirsch Warren Mehrtens
1948 Citation Calumet Farm Ben A. Jones Eddie Arcaro
1973 Secretariat Meadow Stable Lucien Laurin Ron Turcotte
1977 Seattle Slew Karen L. Taylor William H. Turner Jr. Jean Cruguet
1978 Affirmed Harbor View Farm Lazaro Barrera Steve Cauthen
2006 Barbaro?
Rock Chalk
05-07-2006, 01:13 AM
Didn't know that, one of the few things in life you knew and I didn't :)


http://tinyurl.com/hp2zc
Oh yeah, War Admiral was the horse that Seabiscuit beat and Man O War was the one Upset beat. Got em confused. Whatever, point stands, upset comes from horse racing!
watermock
05-07-2006, 03:04 AM
I was only half listening, but I gues the 6.5 lengths were the most in like 40 years or something. I guess they rested him 5 weeks and it paid off, and might again in the preakness.

Two things I will always remember about the ponies, Secretariat busting the record at and winning by I can't remember, 23 I think, and Smarty Jones grit when she? stumbled then ran like she was shot out of a howitzer.
broncohaven
05-07-2006, 05:48 AM
I was only half listening, but I gues the 6.5 lengths were the most in like 40 years or something. I guess they rested him 5 weeks and it paid off, and might again in the preakness.

Two things I will always remember about the ponies, Secretariat busting the record at and winning by I can't remember, 23 I think, and Smarty Jones grit when she? stumbled then ran like she was shot out of a howitzer.
I can't say this speaks too highly of your memory. Secretariat broke the rack record in the Derby, but only won by 3-4 lengths. He broke the track record at the Belmont and won by 32 there.

Smarty Jones is a male, and it was Afleet Alex who stumbled (in the Preakness) last year and still went on to win; not Smarty who had a clean trip when he won it 2 years ago.