Baseball Won't Authenticate #715

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Good, don't acknowledge it, it isn't real.

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Baseball won't bother to certify Bonds ball
By Darren Rovell
ESPN.com

When Barry Bonds hits home run No. 715 and moves into second place on the all-time list behind Hank Aaron, the lucky fan who catches the ball might have a hard time proving it's the real thing.

That's because Major League Baseball won't authenticate any of the baseballs the Giants are using.

"He's not approaching the record," said league spokesman Pat Courtney by way of explanation, reiterating baseball's stance that the passing of Babe Ruth's milestone of 714 career home runs is not a valid cause for celebration. "We will revisit doing the ball authenticating when he approaches the record."

In 1998, as Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa approached Roger Maris' single-season record of 61 home runs, league officials made sure the baseballs being used in Cardinals and Cubs games were numbered and included holograms to eliminate any doubt that the record-breaking ball could be identified. They did it again in the final week of that season so McGwire's final home run could be authenticated.
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[Crushaholic]

Has he officially been found guilty of using steroids? If not, baseball SHOULD acknowledge the feat. We live in a society where you are innocent until proven guilty...

[yhova]

Why give an unauthentic player authentic baseballs ?

[MajikMan7]

If he were white (ex.Mark McGuire) things would be different.

[Jason in LA]

I'm not a Bonds homer or hater. I think if he catches Hank Aaron, MLB better throw the guy a party like they would do anybody else. But for passing Ruth, MLB doesn't have to, or shouldn't do anything. It's not a record.

There was no celebration for passing Eric Dickerson on the all team leading rushers list. There will be no acknowledgement when somebody passes Magic Johnson on the all team leading assists record.

I can go on and on. Point is there is nothing for MLB to officialy acknowledge. But if he passes Aaron, I don't care how much people hate Bonds, MLB better pull out all the stops for him. Because he didn't break the rules. MLB allowed it, so they can't act like they are high and mighty on the issue.

[defenseman]

And, he is breaking the #2 man on the list, NOT #1 Hank Aaaron, screw Barry Bonds. He is a legend in his own mind, and a "cheater" in most americans minds. It is what it is, he has brought alot of this on himself, wallow in it, I could give two s**ts about this roid freak...dman

[defenseman]

If he were white (ex.Mark McGuire) things would be different.

Here we go, playing the race card. Pathetic...dman

[yhova]

Here we go, playing the race card. Pathetic...dmanCause we all know Sammy Sosa got zero attention during McGwire's record breaking year.???

[Rock Chalk]

Cause we all know Sammy Sosa got zero attention during McGwire's record breaking year.???
What the **** ever. Sosa was behind McGwire and ANYTIME they showed a homer, BOTH were shown to see how they were progressing.

Sosa got slightly less attention because most of that year he was slightly behind McGwire.

****ing reverse racists.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If he were white (ex.Mark McGuire) things would be different.
BS! You think McGwire has any credibility left now?

[defenseman]

McGwire, Palmiero, Canseco, NONE of them have any credibility. From what I have read to this point, and the way Bonds has reacted to the public scrutiny, I toss him right in the pile with them. More racism? I don't think so, our society has ALLOWED the race card to be played too often, when in fact it's just a simple case of spilled milk and the outcome not to their personal liking. A real slap in the face to those of the country that have truley had to deal with racism in it's worst form, pathetic...dman

[Garcia Bronco]

LMAO at baseball

[MajikMan7]

If You Catch His 'Balls' What would You do?

[-Slap-]

BS! You think McGwire has any credibility left now?
One of the Big Lies is that B*nds is being persecuted more than others. McGwire leads a secluded lifestyle now. About the only thing he does in public is golf and you'll get your membership pulled from his country club if you even mention baseball in his presence. Raffy Palmiero was run put of baseball on a rail and has officially reached pariah status.

Anyone who gives any credence to B*nds stats since 2000 is a ****ing moron.

[-Slap-]

I'm not a Bonds homer or hater. I think if he catches Hank Aaron, MLB better throw the guy a party like they would do anybody else. But for passing Ruth, MLB doesn't have to, or shouldn't do anything. It's not a record.

There was no celebration for passing Eric Dickerson on the all team leading rushers list. There will be no acknowledgement when somebody passes Magic Johnson on the all team leading assists record.

I can go on and on. Point is there is nothing for MLB to officialy acknowledge. But if he passes Aaron, I don't care how much people hate Bonds, MLB better pull out all the stops for him. Because he didn't break the rules. MLB allowed it, so they can't act like they are high and mighty on the issue.
Steroids have been illegal in the United States since 1990. Are people honestly this stupid?

[Maximus]

Either way it goes Baseball is going to have a permanent Black Eye from this. If you look at all the threads that have surrounded this issue, one theme kept popping up... Passing babe ruth is a hallowed record... If bonds passes the babe he should get an '*' ( cause I can't spell it LOL ). Then this morning I turn on Espin and who are they talking about... Babe Ruth and what he did for baseball... All of a sudden Ruth isn't so important and records in baseball don't mean so much.

I agree with L.A. there should not be any celebration now but, if he passes Aaron... There better be a serious party. The Giants should be responsible for Bonds passing Ruth. Kobe Bryant didn't get anything for passing Baylor as the second highest scoring performance... The problem is the commissioner... He waited until the 12th hour to decide not to authenticate the balls... He could have announced this when he knew that Bonds would continue to play!

[Maximus]

Steroids have been illegal in the United States since 1990. Are people honestly this stupid?

How long has cocaine been illegal?

[MajikMan7]

I wanna know what Jose Canseco has to say about this.

[MajikMan7]

How long has cocaine been illegal?

Michael Irvin better give his super bowl rings back.

[NaptownChief]

Steroids have been illegal in the United States since 1990. Are people honestly this stupid?



Hypothetical....What if a Mexican player took juice in the offseason back home in Mexico every year during the time baseball had no policy against it but never touched it while in the USA....Everything would be completely legal...Would you have issue with that?

[Tom A Hawk]

LMAO at baseball
LOL

[defenseman]

Baseball purists, will ALWAYS attach an asterick to McGwire and Bonds. Publicly baseball will support the records, privately? Now thats another story...I'm sure they both are despised to a point...dman

[-Slap-]

Hypothetical....What if a Mexican player took juice in the offseason back home in Mexico every year during the time baseball had no policy against it but never touched it while in the USA....Everything would be completely legal...Would you have issue with that?
I have an issue with stupidity. This comment is further proof of the willful stupidity anyone must embrace to support B*rry B*nds.

[brncs_fan]

Michael Irvin better give his super bowl rings back.
Yes he should. Because we all know Irvin's recreational cocaine use led directly to his 11,904 receiving yards and 65 Td's.

[-Slap-]

How long has cocaine been illegal?
How long has it been a performance enhancing drug?

Just to clue you in, having your heart beating like a triphammer and sweating after mild exertion are not conditions beneficial to professional athletes in the performance of their sports. Its actually a detriment.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

How long has cocaine been illegal?
How long has cocaine been used to enhance on field performance?

[errand]

Has he officially been found guilty of using steroids? If not, baseball SHOULD acknowledge the feat. We live in a society where you are innocent until proven guilty...

Exactly...for all the accusations being thrown around Bonds has still not been found to have used anything illegal.

Here's a novel idea...catch Bonds cheating first...then worry about how you're gonna make him pay.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Exactly...for all the accusations being thrown around Bonds has still not been found to have used anything illegal.

Here's a novel idea...catch Bonds cheating first...then worry about how you're gonna make him pay.

Try to keep up here, he already admitted he cheated he just didn't list all the things he cheated with. Now we know what those are.

[brncs_fan]

Exactly...for all the accusations being thrown around Bonds has still not been found to have used anything illegal.

Here's a novel idea...catch Bonds cheating first...then worry about how you're gonna make him pay.
First of all, this isn't a court of law but a privately run corporation that does not need a conviction of Bonds to decide what it wants to do.

Secondly, by celebrating people's accomplishments and then getting the truth later, won't we be creating the same problem again that we already have with the Sosa and McGwire sitting above Marris?

[-Slap-]

Exactly...for all the accusations being thrown around Bonds has still not been found to have used anything illegal.

Here's a novel idea...catch Bonds cheating first...then worry about how you're gonna make him pay.
Yeah, that grand jury testimony is worthless, right? He already admitted using illegal steroids.

Get up to speed on the issue before you bother chiming in with your one cent, Errand.

[NaptownChief]

I have an issue with stupidity. This comment is further proof of the willful stupidity anyone must embrace to support B*rry B*nds.


The stupidity in this conversation is your own. You brought up the legality issue which IMO is irrelevant. The only issue I care about is the unethical enhancement of performance. I believe you feel the same. I was just bringing up the point that the legality of it is a non-issue.

I have issue with all cheaters...Only difference between you and I is I don't have a specific hard-on for Bonds. To me he is one of just a whole bunch that hurt the integrity of the game including the joke of a commissioner. And despite being a first class prick and using juice for a couple years I still look at him as the best player of our generation, tainted or not.

[-Slap-]

The stupidity in this conversation is your own. You brought up the legality issue which IMO is irrelevant. The only issue I care about is the unethical enhancement of performance. I believe you feel the same. I was just bringing up the point that the legality of it is a non-issue.

I have issue with all cheaters...Only difference between you and I is I don't have a specific hard-on for Bonds. To me he is one of just a whole bunch that hurt the integrity of the game including the joke of a commissioner. And despite being a first class prick and using juice for a couple years I still look at him as the best player of our generation, tainted or not.
Then you're an idiot.

[errand]

Steroids have been illegal in the United States since 1990. Are people honestly this stupid?

Other than the accusations of other people, has MLB confirmed that yes, indeed Bonds has used steroids? If not, then he should get the benefit of the doubt...if they have confirmed it, then punish him however they see fit.

[NaptownChief]

Then you're an idiot.



And you are an emotionally unstable wacko.

[-Slap-]

And you are an emotionally unstable wacko.
At least I don't feel threatened by African Americans playing quarterback or coaching in the NFL, Naptown Campanis.

[brncs_fan]

Other than the accusations of other people, has MLB confirmed that yes, indeed Bonds has used steroids? If not, then he should get the benefit of the doubt...if they have confirmed it, then punish him however they see fit.
What part of the word proof are you not understanding?

Proof: Bonds admitted in Grand Jury Testimony (the kind where if you lie they throw you in jail) to using steroids.

Proof: A book was just released that rigorously details Bonds use of steroids that just stood up in court.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Other than the accusations of other people, has MLB confirmed that yes, indeed Bonds has used steroids? If not, then he should get the benefit of the doubt...if they have confirmed it, then punish him however they see fit.
Geeeezus! He admitted he did, where have you been?

[MajikMan7]

Steroids have been illegal in the United States since 1990. Are people honestly this stupid?

Exactly, Ruth could legally use Steroids, which I'm sure he did.

[NaptownChief]

At least I don't feel threatened by African Americans playing quarterback or coaching in the NFL, Naptown Campanis.



and at least I don't feel the need to call in the Rainbow Coalition if a person of color has criticism pointed their direction, Jesse "Slap" Jackson..

[brncs_fan]

Exactly, Ruth could legally use Steroids, which I'm sure he did.
What exactly makes you so sure?

[-Slap-]

and at least I don't feel the need to call in the Rainbow Coalition if a person of color has criticism pointed their direction, Jesse "Slap" Jackson..
Try again. I can't stand B*rry B*nds, so that automatically makes me a racist.

[MajikMan7]

What exactly makes you so sure?
Baseball players cheated all the time, back in the day, they'd do anything to get an edge. But since Ruth is white, he is a hero.

[NaptownChief]

Try again. I can't stand B*rry B*nds, so that automatically makes me a racist.


Actually by the Slap book of evaluation that actually would make you one. Good catch.

[MajikMan7]

Actually by the Slap book of evaluation that actually would make you one. Good catch.

oh Snap! Slap just got served

[errand]

Yeah, that grand jury testimony is worthless, right? He already admitted using illegal steroids.

Get up to speed on the issue before you bother chiming in with your one cent, Errand.

Admittedly I had never heard about this revelation, mainly because I haven't paid as much attention to baseball since those clowns went on strike in '94. BTW chiming in with one's opinion regardless of knowledge hasn't stopped you.....

[brncs_fan]

Baseball players cheated all the time, back in the day, they'd do anything to get an edge. But since Ruth is white, he is a hero.
That statement is so rediculous its beyond asinine.

1. The players that cheated were documented as such and are catalogued according toi what they did.

2. We have already pointed out in this thread that race is not an issue.

3. You have no proof to offer that Ruth used anything.

4. If the guy was so concerned with performance, why was he overweight and occasionally drunk/hungover during the game?

[MajikMan7]

have any of you guys tried Oxycontin?

[Arkansas Bronco]

Refearing back to the thread title I dont Authenticate Barry Bonds..

[brncs_fan]

Admittedly I had never heard about this revelation, mainly because I haven't paid as much attention to baseball since those clowns went on strike in '94. BTW chiming in with one's opinion regardless of knowledge hasn't stopped you.....
cred·i·ble adj.

1. Capable of being believed; plausible.
2. Worthy of confidence; reliable.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Exactly, Ruth could legally use Steroids, which I'm sure he did.
Really, which ones was Ruth using back in the 1920s and 30s?

have any of you guys tried Oxycontin?
WTF are you talking about?

Baseball players cheated all the time, back in the day, they'd do anything to get an edge. But since Ruth is white, he is a hero.
You are woefully lacking something.

[brncs_fan]

have any of you guys tried Oxycontin?
Why are you still here?

[MajikMan7]

Really, which ones was Ruth using back in the 1920s and 30s?
Trust me steroids were there, testing for it just wasn't invented yet.

But besides the fact, Bonds has faced much more skilled players than Ruth ever did because today the Major Leagues are closer to being a pure meritocracy, they are stocked with the best players of all races from all over the world, not just the best white players from America.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Trust me steroids were there, testing for it just wasn't invented yet.

But besides the fact, Bonds has faced much more skilled players than Ruth ever did because today the Major Leagues are closer to being a pure meritocracy, they are stocked with the best players of all races from all over the world, not just the best white players from America.
Trust me, they weren't. Only an ignorant person or bonehead would say they were.

But show me your facts that they were.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Trust me they weren't. Only an ignorant person or bonehead would say they were.
Dont try to reason you are talking to Majik.

[MajikMan7]

Trust me, they weren't. Only an ignorant person or bonehead would say they were.
But besides the fact, Bonds has faced much more skilled players than Ruth ever did because today the Major Leagues are closer to being a pure meritocracy, they are stocked with the best players of all races from all over the world, not just the best white players from America.

which means......Bonds with or without Steroids is 10 times better than Ruth ever was. If Ruth faced the competition Bonds has faced I'm not sure Ruth could hit more than 400 hr

[Bronco_Beerslug]

But besides the fact, Bonds has faced much more skilled players than Ruth ever did because today the Major Leagues are closer to being a pure meritocracy, they are stocked with the best players of all races from all over the world, not just the best white players from America.

which means......Bonds with or without Steroids is 10 times better than Ruth ever was. If Ruth faced the competition Bonds has faced I'm not sure Ruth could hit more than 400 hr

You are one of the most uninformed people I've ever had the displeasure to see on a message board.

[defenseman]

Please, Bonds is Bonds. He made his bed, his turn to deal with it. No slack for the roid head...dman

[errand]

cred·i·ble adj.

1. Capable of being believed; plausible.
2. Worthy of confidence; reliable.

OK clown, tell me exactly what did Bonds admit to?

According to ESPN story, he said he took substances that he believed were natural items....not steroids. so if he admitted anything he admitted to have unwittingly have taken them. Bottom line is he hasn't failed a steroids test yet, now has he?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

OK clown, tell me exactly what did Bonds admit to?

According to ESPN story, he said he took substances that he believed were natural items....not steroids. so if he admitted anything he admitted to have unwittingly have taken them. Bottom line is he hasn't failed a steroids test yet, now has he?
Speaking of Bozos, you really ought to get caught up before you spout off here with Barry Bonds love.

[Maximus]

How long has it been a performance enhancing drug?

Just to clue you in, having your heart beating like a triphammer and sweating after mild exertion are not conditions beneficial to professional athletes in the performance of their sports. Its actually a detriment.

Ephedra, Cocaine, Caffine or Amphetamines are all classified as performance enhancing drugs. On the surface your argument that heartpounding drugs will impede performance sounds good but, you're incorrect. When used in the prescribed amounts Anphetamines including Cocaine can enhance physical performance! Why do you think they were banned so long ago in real sports like Football and Basketball? Steve Howe, Darryl Strawberry... I think Gooden and others all got away with using Coke on a regular basis. Baseball is tainted Period.

Just because baseball failed to declare coke a performance enhancing drug doesn't mean that it isn't... Just like Androsteindione... The old timers used coke on a regular basis also... Get a clue!

[MajikMan7]

You are one of the most uninformed people I've ever had the displeasure to see on a message board.

the thing that gets me is, If bonds was white, this whole thing wouldn't be an issue. When McGwire was cheating his ass off, how many times did he get questioned, ZERO!

[MajikMan7]

Bottom line is he hasn't failed a steroids test yet, now has he?

Correct!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

the thing that gets me is, If bonds was white, this whole thing wouldn't be an issue. When McGwire was cheating his ass off, how many times did he get questioned, ZERO!
The thing that gets me is your ignorance. No one new then what he the was doing. Once pulled into the hearings everyone knew and he became an outcast, don't you keep up with current events?

[DrFate]

If he were white (ex.Mark McGuire) things would be different.

Welcome to the ignore list. You are in good company.

[errand]

Speaking of Bozos, you really ought to get caught up before you spout off here with Barry Bonds love.

I'm not a Barry Bonds fan....just a person who thinks one is innocent until proven guilty. Bonds didn't say he took illegal substances...he said he took substances that he believed were natural...not steroids.

While his testimony might not pass the smell test, it's still his testimony and not an admission of guilt.

[MajikMan7]

Welcome to the ignore list. You are in good company.
This message is hidden because DrFate is on your ignore list.

[Jesterhole]

Baseball is a great game. MLB is a joke. It is forever tainted by steroids, and those who used them to get ahead.

I don't care what happens to Bonds or any of the others, because I no longer care about MLB. And I think that is a rising sentiment around the country.

[MajikMan7]

The thing that gets me is your ignorance. No one new then what he the was doing. Once pulled into the hearings everyone knew and he became an outcast, don't you keep up with current events?

I'm not a Bonds fan or anything, I just can't stand segregation.

[MajikMan7]

Baseball is a great game. MLB is a joke. It is forever tainted by steroids, and those who used them to get ahead.

I don't care what happens to Bonds or any of the others, because I no longer care about MLB. And I think that is a rising sentiment around the country.

Which league do you watch then?

[PatsWin2002]

Bonds took steroids. He said his trainer gave it to him - and he thought it was flaxseed oil.

Meanwhile his head grew 3 sizes and his testicles probably shrunk 3 sizes.

He's guilty and a disgrace.

[delany]

So MLB doesn't mark the day when 2nd place records are passed? Whatever. Their choice.

The real firestorm will be when/if he passes Hank.

It won't be so convenient to ignore it then.

Maybe MLB hopes that he won't make it that far...or that he will test positive before then.

It is amazing to me how polarizing this issue is. I almost want to see the record broken just to see the meltdown that would surely follow.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm not a Barry Bonds fan....just a person who thinks one is innocent until proven guilty. Bonds didn't say he took illegal substances...he said he took substances that he believed were natural...not steroids.

While his testimony might not pass the smell test, it's still his testimony and not an admission of guilt.
He admitted he took steroids. His reasoning for taking them is bogus, of course (saying he believed they were something else).

"They're just letting him do it because he's a white boy," Bonds said of McGwire and his chase of Maris's record. The pursuit by Sosa, a Latin player from the Dominican Republic, was entertaining but doomed, Bonds declared. As a matter of policy, "they'll never let him win," he said.

He began working out with a real gym rat, a trainer who spent 12 hours a day pumping iron in a gym on the San Francisco peninsula.
Bonds's new workout partner called himself the Weight Guru, and he had a sophisticated approach to training.

Not incidentally, the Weight Guru was a longtime steroid user and dealer. He had expertise with drugs ranging from old reliables like Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol to more exotic substances like human growth hormone. The drugs could quicken recovery after workouts, build stamina, add muscle. They could eliminate that slump in August, when the minor injuries and fatigue of the long season would otherwise wear a ballplayer down. Beyond that, for a player with the natural ability of Bonds, the sky was the limit as far as what the drugs might do. The Weight Guru told Bonds all of this, and Bonds decided to go for it. The Weight Guru's name was Greg Anderson.

http://tinyurl.com/jcryf

[errand]

What I find so odd is that how can Bonds have used steroids all those years and not have failed a test.

Barry said he took items that he believed were OK to take....he didn't admit to using anything illegal...and hasn't failed a steroids test to date.

[errand]

Bonds took steroids. He said his trainer gave it to him - and he thought it was flaxseed oil.

Meanwhile his head grew 3 sizes and his testicles probably shrunk 3 sizes.

He's guilty and a disgrace.

As I said before, perhaps his testimony doesn't pass the public's smell test....but it's still not an admission of guilt. And he still hasn't failed a steroids test.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What I find so odd is that how can Bonds have used steroids all those years and not have failed a test.

Barry said he took items that he believed were OK to take....he didn't admit to using anything illegal...and hasn't failed a steroids test to date.

There WASN'T any testing until last year, geeeezus!

[errand]

He admitted he took steroids. His reasoning for taking them is bogus, of course (saying he believed they were something else).





http://tinyurl.com/jcryf

He never said "I took steroids...."

He has yet to fail a steroids test.

Now he might have taken them, and he might have knowingly taken them...I don't know or care.

But you're claiming he admitted he took steroids...and that's not accurate.

He claimed he took flaxseed oil and had cream rubbed into his skin.....and that he believed them to be legal substances. And there's still that problem of never having failed a steroids test you have to get over.

[errand]

There WASN'T any testing until last year, geeeezus!

.....and has he failed any test?

I believe the word your searching for is , NO

and wouldn't it stand to reason that he'd be one of the first guys they'd have tested?

[defenseman]

OK, so rubbing Flaxseed oil onto your skin will turn you into a Mini- hulk and enable you to hit home runs at a pace much greater than before, AFTER you have reached the PRIME of your career. IF SO, ALL OF major leauge baseball players would be SWIMMING IN FLAXSEED OIL for 5 to 10 hours aday. Flaxseed showers, etc...etc....etc... Ahhhh , the magic of flaxseed oil. Wake up and smell what you're shoveling. Bonds KNEW what this stuff was, flaxseed oil DOESN'T Turn you into what he became........NO WAY I'm buying his garbage...dman

[PatsWin2002]

OK, so rubbing Flaxseed oil onto your skin will turn you into a Mini- hulk and enable you to hit home runs at a pace much greater than before, AFTER you have reached the PRIME of your career. IF SO, ALL OF major leauge baseball players would be SWIMMING IN FLAXSEED OIL for 5 to 10 hours aday. Flaxseed showers, etc...etc....etc... Ahhhh , the magic of flaxseed oil. Wake up and smell what you're shoveling. Bonds KNEW what this stuff was, flaxseed oil DOESN'T Turn you into what he became........NO WAY I'm buying his garbage...dman


Right.

I also don't buy the fact that you can get that big from any topical cream. I'd be willing to bet that this is an old-fashioned anabolic-steroids-shot-in-the-glutes kind of thing.

Because, like you said, if it were that easy more people would do it ....or at least be "unknowingly" duped by their Nivea. ;D

And the only reason we all care so much is because this guy is taking down some of the most hallowed records in sports.

[Garcia Bronco]

Ephedra, Cocaine, Caffine or Amphetamines are all classified as performance enhancing drugs. On the surface your argument that heartpounding drugs will impede performance sounds good but, you're incorrect. When used in the prescribed amounts Anphetamines including Cocaine can enhance physical performance! Why do you think they were banned so long ago in real sports like Football and Basketball? Steve Howe, Darryl Strawberry... I think Gooden and others all got away with using Coke on a regular basis. Baseball is tainted Period.

Just because baseball failed to declare coke a performance enhancing drug doesn't mean that it isn't... Just like Androsteindione... The old timers used coke on a regular basis also... Get a clue!


Baseball players ahve been taking Amphetamines since the 50's. It's always been tainted in the modern era. That's why these threads are always so funny to me.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He never said "I took steroids...."

He has yet to fail a steroids test.

Now he might have taken them, and he might have knowingly taken them...I don't know or care.

But you're claiming he admitted he took steroids...and that's not accurate.

He claimed he took flaxseed oil and had cream rubbed into his skin.....and that he believed them to be legal substances. And there's still that problem of never having failed a steroids test you have to get over.
LOL!
Sure, Perry Mason.

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Barry Bonds...

"I don't really believe half the sh*t I'm saying, anyway."

You are confusing - I'm telling you," Bonds said, according to a transcript of the secret proceeding. The immaculately dressed slugger looked at the 16 grand jurors, most of whom were dressed casually, as though they had just stepped out of the house to run to 7-Eleven for a quart of milk.

"Is he confusing to you guys?" Bonds asked. "I'm glad it's not me."

Nedrow persisted. He described Bonds' immunity agreement, which had already been discussed in the meeting with Rains: nothing Bonds said before the grand jury could be used to prosecute him for any crime, as long as he told the truth. But the immunity didn't extend to perjury, Nedrow emphasized.

There were doping calendars that detailed specific drugs to take on specific days. Ledgers that logged testosterone levels in his body at various points. Documents from steroid tests completed on samples of his blood and urine.

"Greg and I are friends," Bonds said. "I never paid Greg for anything. I gave Greg money for his training me ... You're going to bring up documents and more documents. I have never seen anything written by Greg Anderson on a piece of paper."

Inside the grand jury room, the prosecutors were quizzing Bonds about a calendar entry that said, "Barry 12-2-02 T, 1CC G -- pee." Did that reflect events on Dec. 2, 2002, when Bonds used testosterone and growth hormone, and then gave a urine sample to Anderson for a private drug test?

"T could mean anything," Bonds replied. "G could mean anything. And pee could probably mean anything."

He couldn't explain a medical report describing his testosterone levels -- "I wouldn't even understand it anyway, so they wouldn't talk to me about that," he said -- nor calendar entries kept by Anderson that reflected his use of steroids and the anti-estrogen drug Clomid.

A mention of the Giants prompted a Bonds discourse on his deep suspicions about his sport: "We don't trust the ball team. We don't trust baseball ... Believe me, it's a business. The last time I played baseball was in college. Believe me, it's a business ... I don't trust their doctors or nothing."

As for Anderson, Bonds said he had paid his boyhood pal $15,000 for supervising his weight training. "I paid him in cash," Bonds testified. "I make 17 million." Bonds later added that he gave Anderson a $20,000 cash bonus after hitting his record 73rd home run, and he bought the trainer a World Series ring after the Giants reached the Fall Classic in 2002.

Giambi said Bonds had introduced him to Anderson. He said he had paid the trainer more than $10,000 for steroids. At one point, Giambi described how he self-administered growth hormone by "pinching the fat" on his stomach and injecting the substance just below his skin. Testosterone, on the other hand, required an ordinary injection.

"So, you would put it in your arm?" prosecutor Nedrow asked Giambi.

"No, you wouldn't," he said. "You'd put it in your ass."

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[Garcia Bronco]

Bonds took steroids. He said his trainer gave it to him - and he thought it was flaxseed oil.

Meanwhile his head grew 3 sizes and his testicles probably shrunk 3 sizes.

He's guilty and a disgrace.


they're all a disgrace.

[SoCalBronco]

Updated: May 5, 2006, 11:38 PM ET
Authors called to testify in Bonds perjury caseAssociated Press



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SAN FRANCISCO -- Two San Francisco Chronicle reporters who wrote a book about Barry Bonds' alleged steroid use were subpoenaed Friday to testify before a federal grand jury regarding court documents they used in their articles, the newspaper reported.


The subpoenas of the authors of "Game of Shadows," Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, called for them to turn over their copies of grand jury transcripts from the 2003 investigation of a steroid distribution ring based at the Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative, or BALCO, according to the Chronicle. They also were asked to provide the identity of the person or persons who leaked the secret documents to them.


Fainaru-Wada and Williams used the transcripts in their detailed reporting of the BALCO case that linked well-known athletes to the use of performance-enhancing drugs.


Chronicle executive editor Phil Bronstein insisted the reporters are protected under the First Amendment.


"The San Francisco Chronicle unconditionally stands by its reporters in fighting this effort by the government to force them to reveal their confidential sources," Bronstein said. "Reporters are not subject to the rules governing grand jury secrecy, which apply only to some of the people in the room during those proceedings."


Eve Burton, vice president and general counsel for Hearst Corp., which owns the newspaper, said, "The Chronicle and its reporters intend to fight the subpoenas vigorously."


The U.S. Attorney's Office could not immediately be reached for comment.


Because grand jury testimony is taken in secret, it is illegal to leak such transcripts, although it is not illegal to possess them.


According to excerpts of the testimony previously reported by the Chronicle, Bonds testified that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer convicted in the case, but said he didn't know they were steroids.


The seven-time NL MVP, two home runs from tying Babe Ruth for second place on the all-time list at 714, has always denied knowingly taking performance-enhancing drugs.


Bonds testified that Greg Anderson, his personal trainer, told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and an arthritis balm.


The substances Bonds described were similar to ones known as "the clear" and "the cream," two steroids at the center of the BALCO scandal. Anderson and three others, including BALCO founder Victor Conte, have pleaded guilty to distribution charges.


Another grand jury now is looking into whether Bonds committed perjury when he testified in the BALCO case.


Fainaru-Wada and Williams released their book last month, saying Bonds began his extensive doping regimen following the 1998 season after seeing the attention Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa generated in their race for the single-season homers record. Bonds later broke that record with 73 homers in 2001.


The book prompted baseball commissioner Bud Selig to launch an investigation into steroids use in baseball.


Fainaru-Wada and Williams issued a statement Friday saying their articles "would not have been possible without the help of many people -- people who are whistleblowers in the truest and best sense of the term."


"The government's actions raise significant First Amendment issues, and we are concerned at any attempt to stifle the public's right to know," they added

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