Plummer/Cutler vs. Elway/Maddox

[watermock]

I've heard the comparisons...both QB's were healthy and successfull, but there are huge differences.

Maddox was very young and came from a pass happy conference. Elway was a franchise QB that had allready been to 3 SB's.

Cutler is as chisled a veteran as you could find, but is still perfectly healthy. Player of the year in the ACC is no small achievment.

Plummer IMO, has always been a stopgap QB and he was simply the best option at the time after the SOB meltdown. Yesterday we made a QB move the biggest since the Elway robbery.

BTW, Suzy Kolber's new hair makes her look like a slut...I love it...Where was I?

Cutler fits this offense to a T. Battle tested, mobile, grade A arm, body dinged but all parts are functioning...never been in the shop for repair.

When was the last time we had an opportunity to get a franchise QB? Well, 1983, or 23 years. We only had to move up 3 spots and Elway pulled a T.O. that he wouldn't play in Balt. This time, Denver had to parlay mid-round picks all the way from TWENTY NINTH SPOT, a move that is literally Tony Stewartish.

I've got nothing against Jake, and he's going to be the starter for at least one more year. My opinion is that we start looking maybe next year for an heir, but this opportunity was just too good to pass up. If Jake has another great year and Cutler is ready, I believe we will get value for Jake in a trade.

This was a gift horse, you just don't pass that up. Again, nothing against Jake.

[Jason in LA]

I agree.

I'd say the comparisons are silly. Totally different. Elway was one of the greatest ever. Plummer works well in the system when he is limited.

Maddox came out way too early. He only played two years at UCLA. He shouldn't have been in that draft, and he had no business being taken in the first round.

Cutler is a risk, but it's a smarter risk than Maddox. Maddox wasn't ready. Cutler is.

If Plummer was a top 5 QB in the league, then I could say the comparisons are in the same ballpark. But that's not the case. Plummer fans are just pissed off, and are being drama queens.

[toad]

Player of the year in the ACC is no small achievment.


Vanderbilt isn't an ACC school...I think you're thinking SEC (?).


I agree on all points. I can hapily go into 1 more year with Plummer starting then, after '06, it will probably be a full-on camp battle (or even Plummer getting traded/released).

I wanted an immediate impact player in Round 1 but, getting a possible franchise QB for the future, for essentially just our 3rd rounder was too good a value to pass up.

And, to boot, we got [hopefully] or immediate impact player in Javon.

I questioned the Cutler pick first, I've long worried he's "Kyle Boller Pt. II" (ie. a combine star) but my heart is softening towards it all.

[BroncoMatt]

Jake Plummer just became Steve Deberg

[yavoon]

plummerkiller has arrived on scene

[Orange_Beard]

What a steal.

Could not agree more.

[broncohaven]

Plummer is no Elway. Maddox is no Cutler.

[Old Dude]

Elway was hoping for a wide receiver. Instead, he got Maddox.

Plummer was probably also hoping for a wide receiver. Cutler didn't help him, but Javon Walker probably will.

[Arkansas Bronco]

We just got Cutler for a back up wink wink.

[Kaylore]

Elway was hoping for a wide receiver. Instead, he got Maddox.

Plummer was probably also hoping for a wide receiver. Cutler didn't help him, but Javon Walker probably will.
At least he got both. He has a new athletic tight end and pro-bowl receiver.

As for Maddox, he has some of the tinniest hands out there for a pro-quarterback and never displayed the kind of drive that shows he can perform under adversity.

Cutler has done nothing but perform under adversity.

[Spider]

In other words we can see Plummer as a steve Deberg , when Elway came to Denver ....... Could be as mock said stop gap , and Deberg was a stop gap QB , did well but not good enough ...........Curious to see how this pans out for us ...........

[Vegas_Bronco]

I don't know.....Chris Hinton had a great career and Denver gave up him to get Elway...

Bwahaaaahaaaaaaaa! I love how NE jumped up to grab Jackson and with the next pick we get JW - burned their azzes good!!!

[bombquixote]

BTW, Suzy Kolber's new hair makes her look like a slut...

Yeah. A man slut.

[BroncoFanDoug]

Could not agree with your more, Mock. We might have waited another year or two, and the chance that we could be in position to move up enough, and that the draft would be QB top-heavy would be very unlikely indeed. When you get a chance like this you take it. Period.

And I think Suzy is a fox. What can I say, each to their own!

[orinjkrush]

jake did all that he has been asked to do. but in the pittsburgh game, he couldn't carry the team on his back like Elway could and like people want.

i think we lost at pissburg because we had no DL not because Jake was running for his life and goofing up. I still think we don't have a credible pass rush, unless shanny pulls a rabbit out.

but shanny wants a top flight qb. and maybe he got one.

[Cito Pelon]

I agree.

I'd say the comparisons are silly. Totally different. Elway was one of the greatest ever. Plummer works well in the system when he is limited.

Maddox came out way too early. He only played two years at UCLA. He shouldn't have been in that draft, and he had no business being taken in the first round.



Just because I feel like doing it, I'll give a history lesson:

Maddox and Bobby Humphrey were "Supplemental" picks under the NFL rules at that time. Underclassmen were not eligilble for the NFL draft at all previous to what, 1990? After that there was that period in the NFL of the "Supplemental" draft where underclassmen were eligible for the draft, and Tommy Maddox and Bobby Humphrey were drafted by Reeves supplementally.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Jake Plummer just became Steve Deberg

Don't insult DeBerg like that.

[Ballhawk]

Just because I feel like doing it, I'll give a history lesson:

Maddox and Bobby Humphrey were "Supplemental" picks under the NFL rules at that time. Underclassmen were not eligilble for the NFL draft at all previous to what, 1990? After that there was that period in the NFL of the "Supplemental" draft where underclassmen were eligible for the draft, and Tommy Maddox and Bobby Humphrey were drafted by Reeves supplementally.
Maddox was taken in the regular draft. The "WTF?" still seems like yesterday as I was sure we were going to get Carl Pikens. I believe the draft was 1992.

[halfcreek]

Maddox was taken in the regular draft. The "WTF?" still seems like yesterday as I was sure we were going to get Carl Pikens. I believe the draft was 1992.
Right. Cito was giving a revisionist history lesson.

[Cito Pelon]

Maddox was taken in the regular draft. The "WTF?" still seems like yesterday as I was sure we were going to get Carl Pikens. I believe the draft was 1992.

Are you sure about that? I usually trust my brain. Don't tell me I can't trust my brain any longer. I have a bad hip, and a cramp in my right calf I can't seem to get rid of, my eyes water it seems like way too much, don't tell me the brain is going.

Nevertheless, it's interesting how the NFL has changed since underclassmen became eligible. The guys that couldn't or didn't want to finish their senior year are all over the NFL. Damn good athletes, but it wasn't really all that long ago the NFL would not let a Junior into the pros. You made your senior year, or you didn't play pro football.

[HEAV]

Are you sure about that? I usually trust my brain. Don't tell me I can't trust my brain any longer. I have a bad hip, and a cramp in my right calf I can't seem to get rid of, my eyes water it seems like way too much, don't tell me the brain is going.


Sorry to say but your brain lied to you. Maddox was not a Supplemental pick.

You may be thinking of another UCLA QB, Steve Walsh.
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I'm going to love seeing Jake play his ass off and keep the Vandy punk on the bench.

Congrat's Shanny you have made Denver 2006, the San Diego of 2004.

[Ratboy]

I don't understand why some of you guys are crying? We got a QB of the future who IMO is better than any QB next year coming out. I rather not end up like some teams who have no QB and rely on a rookie qb to win games for them. Even if Jay Cutler looks 500x better than Jake Plummer, I'm sure he will still wait a year to play.

Love it.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think anytime you have a chance to draft a superstar franchise QB, you take it.

The Broncos set this up last year when they traded out of the first round.

Do you think they did that so they could draft Broderick Bunkley?

[youcandoit1687]

i dont think denver will be like SD and if it is, we should know how to handle it(betterthan SD atleast). plummer has had more time to prove himself while brees had struggled. plummer has had talent around him, brees didnt(excluding a running game that sometimes kept the D honest). jay cutler is also very very intelligent( lets just say some guys like eli manning, terry bradshaw, marcus vick, or vince young couldnt get into vandy) so MAYBE he learns the offense in a year and we dont even need plummer for 07. that is probly pretty unrealistic but u never know, and im pretty sure cut would be ready for 08 after having plummer sign some sort of a one year deal(franchise?transition? or performance insentives?).

heres a good comparison if u wanna take maddox/cutler:
cutler was the third QB selected in the draft and went #11
roethlisberger was the third QB selected in the draft and went #11
cutler comes from a small school and is the toughest and smartest of the 3 QBs
roethlisberger ditto

both went to teams who were better than where they were drafting.
again, not the most accurate comparison but who knows, hopefully hell eclipse john elway and well win SB after SB

[HEAV]

Homermane at it's finest.........

[Cito Pelon]

Sorry to say but your brain lied to you. Maddox was not a Supplemental pick.
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That stinks. No offense, but I need more corroboration. I'm not giving up on ol' brainy just yet. I don't have much left besides ol' brainy.

[Ratboy]

http://tell.fll.purdue.edu/JapanProj/FLClipart/Verbs/cry.gif

[watermock]

Right. Cito was giving a revisionist history lesson.

History can always be re-written. Hitler and Stalin often airbrushed things out. Hitler airbrushed out Stalin with his cigarette, Stalin simply removed whole people during purges.

[HEAV]

That stinks. No offense, but I need more corroboration. I'm not giving up on ol' brainy just yet. I don't have much left besides ol' brainy.

Maddox was drafted by Denver - 25th overall

http://www.cbc.ca/story/sports/national/2006/03/06/Sports/steelers060306.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06050/657671.stm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/statitudes/news/2001/04/12/firstround_qbs/

[SoCalBronco]

very good post, Mock.

I agree totally.

[BroncoInferno]

Sorry to say but your brain lied to you. Maddox was not a Supplemental pick.

You may be thinking of another UCLA QB, Steve Walsh.
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I'm going to love seeing Jake play his ass off and keep the Vandy punk on the bench.

Congrat's Shanny you have made Denver 2006, the San Diego of 2004.

The difference is that Brees was/is still a young QB with some upside, Plummer is probably as good as he is ever going to be. With the new weapons I think you'll see better numbers and better overall performance from Jake this season, but he'll be 32 in the fall. Guys at 32 can play another 4 or 5 years, but most are good passers from the pocket. Jake has never been a good pocket passer, so as his mobility starts to erode with age, he is going to be less effective trying to stay in the pocket of the time. I think once Plummer gets to 34 he will hit a wall in terms of his mobility simply due to age, and once that happens he'll have to throw exclusively from the pocket, and he's just not very consistent at that. He's certainly improved in the pocket, but he still isn't great. In 2008, it will be time to start the Cutler era.

[Cito Pelon]

Maddox was drafted by Denver - 25th overall

http://www.cbc.ca/story/sports/national/2006/03/06/Sports/steelers060306.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06050/657671.stm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/statitudes/news/2001/04/12/firstround_qbs/

Thanks so much. Let's see, you're now about seven on ol' brainy's list. Keep it up . . . . .

[Moon§hiner]

Sorry to say but your brain lied to you. Maddox was not a Supplemental pick.

You may be thinking of another UCLA QB, Steve Walsh.
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I'm going to love seeing Jake play his ass off and keep the Vandy punk on the bench.

Congrat's Shanny you have made Denver 2006, the San Diego of 2004. My brain tells me Steve Walsh played for Miami, but it could just be the the vodka.

[Jetmeck]

Don't insult DeBerg like that.

He played for the Chefs, that's insult enough :~ohyah!: