Elvis Dumervil #126

[ChampBailey24]

Yes here comes the pass rush!!!!!

[Lestat]

finally a DE! just not Mark Anderson :thanku:

[Dagmar]

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/elvis-portrait3sm.jpg
Uh hu.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Kinda small in size, but that didn't really hold him back in college.

[montrose]

Wow.

[long beach bronco]

This guy is a TAZmanian Devil, small and ferocious. I'm loving this draft.

[Tombstone RJ]

http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/p/elvisdumervil.htm

[Goobzilla]

Thank you, thank you very much! :)

[Tombstone RJ]

I hope this shuts some crying mouths down...

[Odysseus]

I'm all shook up.

"Dumervil is a poor man’s Dwight Freeney as he lacks true size and strength to match up at the next level, but possess very good closing speed and is quick off the snap. Dumervil's draft status might drop because of his size and he might even consider making the transition to pass rush linebacker, ideal in a 3-4 defense. He has the heart of a champion and plays with 100% energy every play."

http://football.about.com/od/nationalfootballleague/p/elvisdumervil.htm

Strengths: "Dumervil is a very good athlete with the quickness and pass-rush moves to consistently pressure and sack the quarterback when he gets off the ball well. Has a larger variety of pass-rush moves than most college defensive ends -- seems to know how to set up and defeat offensive tackles. Has the natural strength to drive offensive tackles backward when he bull rushes aggressively and can hold ground against offensive linemen that run block. Has a very good playing speed, chasing down running plays -- explosive closing burst helps him finish plays consistently."

Athletic Ability:
Dumervil's athleticism is the only reason he has been such a productive college defensive end, despite being short and stocky. Has very quick feet and can burst off the ball in a flash when he is on his game. On runs away, he can accelerate to full speed in a flash and has the playing speed to chase down ball carriers in backside pursuit. Combination of foot quickness and agility helps Dumervil to change directions very fast -- he can plant and burst up underneath the offensive tackle. Has the natural flexibility to bend knees, sink hips and take on blockers with leverage and strength -- when he stays low he can jolt the offensive tackle and drive him backward on a bull rush. Coordination helps him to keep his feet when much bigger offensive tackles try to push him off as he tries to turn the corner.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/dumervil_elvis

[long beach bronco]

Now we need a kick returner with our last 4th round pick.........Jeremy Bloom?

[Dagmar]

Gotta be quicker bro.

[Drek]

I'd have prefered Mark Anderson, but Dumervill isn't a bad selection. Hopefully we add Kudla later as well, one of the two should pan out.

[Tombstone RJ]

Tom Jackson should love this pick

[Lestat]

despite being 5-11 can't really argue with NCAA leader in sacks

though can you imagine if Denver takes a flier on Marcus Vick

[Taco John]

I'm all shook up.




*hurling a tomato at quiettiger*

[R8R H8R]

According to his bio, he is only 5-11 3/8.

If that is true, he will not be a starter.
He is a pash rush specialist only. That may work though with our rotation system with DL. I'll defer to Patterson on this one. ;)

[ignitionnight]

Is he going to play DE or OLB? at 5'11" he is going to get eaten by big Tackles, no they will actually eat him whole.

[Bronco LB 59]

I don't want to hear about his size, Denver took him in the perfect spot, the fourth round! This pick rocks.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I hope this shuts some crying mouths down...
It remains to be seen if a 5'11" DE can play in the NFL but the numbers are certainly there. I wonder if his real positoin isn't at strong side LB...Now if we can just grab Auburn's Stanley McClover I'll be satisfied. McClover is a 2nd rounder on some draft boards.

[gunns]

STRONG POINTS
Dumervil is a very good athlete with the quickness and pass-rush moves to consistently pressure and sack the quarterback when he gets off the ball well. Has a larger variety of pass-rush moves than most college defensive ends -- seems to know how to set up and defeat offensive tackles. Has the natural strength to drive offensive tackles backward when he bull rushes aggressively and can hold ground against offensive linemen that run block. Has a very good playing speed, chasing down running plays -- explosive closing burst helps him finish plays consistently.



WEAKNESSES
Obviously, Dumervil's lack of height is a major issue because it usually means shorter arms, which are a real hinderence. When Dumervil is exploding off the ball he can overcome his lack of height to be a very productive pass rusher, but the trouble is that on at least 50 percent of the snaps he is a beat late moving at the snap. While he has good natural strength, Dumervil usually gets tied up and sealed inside on outside runs to his side.

[Barry Ramey]

I'm not jumping for joy with the pick since he can't be a starter in the NFL, but if can get to the QB when he's out there and can fit in the rotation somehow, then it'll work out pretty well.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I called this in the chat room around pick #115.

[bpc]

Explosive off the edge. Thats all I need to hear. 20 sacks, 11 forced fumbles. WE NEED THAT. I don't care how short you are, with our coverage ability on the corner we can let this guy lose. He'll find his way to the QB.

[doonwise]

Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

[Dagmar]

I called this in the chat room around pick #115.
aren't you special.

[Odysseus]

*hurling a tomato at quiettiger*

*Ducking*....Oh Geez! Too late. Hilarious!

[SportinOne]

15. Bunkley
37. Lewis
61. Stovall
68. Calhoun (Fingers Crossed he's still there)
119. E. Dumervil, DE, Louisville
126. D. Aromashodu, WR, Auburn
130. C. Lowry, S, Penn State
161. M. Bernstein, FB, Wisconsin
198. D. Shack, OG, Fresno State*


*In Shanny's latest attempt to prove that he can run with light-weight offensive lineman, he drafts this 6'2'', 247LB OG. Stay Tuned.

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YOUR WELCOME!

[backup qb]

good pick, now let's go o-line depth

[SouthStndJunkie]

This pick could prove to be the steal of the draft....and I don't throw that around lightly.

[Old Dude]

Isn't this the guy who got his ankle stomped on by Vick Jr.

[SouthStndJunkie]

According to his bio, he is only 5-11 3/8.

If that is true, he will not be a starter.
He is a pash rush specialist only. That may work though with our rotation system with DL. I'll defer to Patterson on this one. ;)

Dwight Freeney is just a hair over 6'0.

[Rascal]

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YOUR WELCOME!

yeah you are the man...you got one pick right. What a stud.

[SoCalBronco]

despite being 5-11 can't really argue with NCAA leader in sacks



Really?

Homer This.

Elvis Dumervil DL Louisville 5112 258 9 1/8 32 3/4
Weigh-In Notes: Thick upper body with solid tone.

Monday Practice Notes: Disappointing first day. Dumervil was ineffective both against the run and the pass. His assortment of pass rush moves were stoned all day, never beating a lineman cleanly once. His one play of the day was surprisingly against the run as he beat his opposing lineman across the fact to make one play in the backfield.
Tuesday Practice Notes: The question of speed off the edge has to be brought up. Dumervil appears to lack any. His pass rush attempts to this point in the week have been non effective. His biggest play today was actually against the run as he showed the ability to work across the face of a block and make a tackle for a loss. When double teamed though, he becomes completely engulfed.
Wednesday Practice Notes: Continuously engulfed at the point of attack. The tight ends had no problem blocking Dumervil one on one. Even continued to struggle in his pass rush, only once freeing himself up to get to the quarterback.
Thursday Practice Notes: Struggled again today and was a non-factor. Easily blocked by tight ends one-on-one again today.
Analysis: Came into the week with something to prove and fell flat. Dumervil followed up a weak performance in his team’s bowl game with a bad week in Mobile. Did not show enough speed off the edge or moves to make up for his lack of closing speed off the edge. Continuously engulfed at the point of attack. Should be plummeting down draft boards.

[Barry Ramey]

Yeah, 20 sacks is quite impressive for any size. That's almost hard to believe a DE getting that many sacks in one season.

[Rock Chalk]

Really?

Homer This.

Elvis Dumervil DL Louisville 5112 258 9 1/8 32 3/4
Weigh-In Notes: Thick upper body with solid tone.

Monday Practice Notes: Disappointing first day. Dumervil was ineffective both against the run and the pass. His assortment of pass rush moves were stoned all day, never beating a lineman cleanly once. His one play of the day was surprisingly against the run as he beat his opposing lineman across the fact to make one play in the backfield.
Tuesday Practice Notes: The question of speed off the edge has to be brought up. Dumervil appears to lack any. His pass rush attempts to this point in the week have been non effective. His biggest play today was actually against the run as he showed the ability to work across the face of a block and make a tackle for a loss. When double teamed though, he becomes completely engulfed.
Wednesday Practice Notes: Continuously engulfed at the point of attack. The tight ends had no problem blocking Dumervil one on one. Even continued to struggle in his pass rush, only once freeing himself up to get to the quarterback.
Thursday Practice Notes: Struggled again today and was a non-factor. Easily blocked by tight ends one-on-one again today.
Analysis: Came into the week with something to prove and fell flat. Dumervil followed up a weak performance in his team’s bowl game with a bad week in Mobile. Did not show enough speed off the edge or moves to make up for his lack of closing speed off the edge. Continuously engulfed at the point of attack. Should be plummeting down draft boards.
Sounds a lot like this guy wont make the team.

Great draft guys.

We dont need that stinkin pass rush anyway.

[Vegas_Bronco]

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CAREER : Ranks 11th in school history with 12 sacks... has appeared in 32 games with 12 starts... three-year letterwinner.
2004 : Started all 12 games...led the team lead with a career-high 10 sacks.. registered seven tackles and three sacks against Tulane... credited with five tackles against Houston... recorded a pair of sacks versus TCU... notched five tackles versus Miami... credited with five tackles and three for a loss against ECU... registered three tackles and forced a fumble at North Carolina... started at defensive versus Kentucky, recording a career-high five tackles and a sack.
2003 : Appeared in all 13 games off the bench ... recorded a career-high 28 tackles and six tackles for loss ... credited with one sack ... registered a career-high four tackles against Army and UTEP... notched first collegiate sack against Temple.
2002 : Saw action in seven games as a true freshman ... logged six tackles, including five solo stops, in a reserve role on the defensive line.
MIAMI-JACKSON HIGH SCHOOL : Rated as the No. 25 prospect at defensive end by Student Sports Magazine ... three-year starter and a tenacious pass rusher who is considered one of the best pass rushing prospects from the state of Florida ... tallied a school-record 78 sacks over his prep career ... totaled 110 tackles and 30 sacks, forced three fumbles and recovered another four while winning team defensive MVP honors as a senior ... notched 96 tackles and 30 sacks, forced five fumbles and recovered another two en route to overall team MVP honors for a 9-5 squad which reached the state semifinals during his junior campaign ... as a sophomore had 18 sacks and 40 tackles with five fumble recoveries for a 9-2 squad that was ranked No. 1 heading into the state playoffs ... earned first team all-state and all-district honors as a junior and senior ... selected to play in the California-Florida All-Star game ... awarded Mr. Jackson High School honors as a senior ... half-brother of former Cardinal safety Curry Burns.

DefenseYear GP UT AT TT TFL Sacks FR FF Int. PBU2002 7-0 5 1 6 2-5 0-0 0-0 0 0-0 02003 13-0 16 12 28 6-13 2-7 1-0 0 0-0 02004 12-12 28 24 52 11.5-59 10-51 1-0 1 0-0 0Totals 32-12 49 37 86 19.5-77 12-58 2-0 1 0-0 02004 Game-By-GameGame A U Tot TFL Sacks IntKentucky 1 4 5 0.5-1 1-1 0-0Army 0 3 3 0-0 0-0 0-0UNC 1 1 2 0-0 0-0 0-0ECU 5 0 5 3-16 2-14 0-0Miami 2 3 5 0-0 0-0 0-0USF 1 3 4 0-0 0-0 0-0Memphis 1 3 4 0.5-0 0-0 0-0TCU 2 0 2 2-6 2-6 0-0Houston 2 3 5 0-0 0-0 0-0UC 6 1 7 1-5 1-5 0-0Tulane 7 0 7 4-27 3-21 0-0Boise St. 0 3 3 0.5-4 1-4 0-0
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[Rock Chalk]

Yeah, 20 sacks is quite impressive for any size. That's almost hard to believe a DE getting that many sacks in one season.
Look at the competition before you judge.

[Vegas_Bronco]

http://media.putfile.com/VT-THUG-1

What a hit on Marcus eh?

[SportinOne]

yeah you are the man...you got one pick right. What a stud.


How many picks did you get right?

[BritBronco Maniac]

Dwight Freeney is just a hair over 6'0.

Freeney also has 4.3 speed

[Rock Chalk]

How many picks did you get right?
Wel, I got the #1 pick right.

[TheChamp24]

Freeney also has 4.3 speed

Excuse me? 4.3 speed? I don't think he is THAT fast

[alamosa bronco]

4.3

[footstepsfrom#27]

Rick Goselin was on the radio in Dallas a few minutes ago and was asked if there were any players chosen that really suprised him. Without any hesitation he said he was suprised that Denver drafted Elvis Dumerville and that he considered him a free agent guy.

[Requiem]

Dummervil might not have the best size, but he competes, plays at a high level, non-stop motor and is a hard worker. Fast and quick, regardless of his forty. Solid pick. If he was bigger, he's gone long before this.

[Tombstone RJ]

He's a pass rush specialist/OLB. He's a big time tweener. I don't think the Broncos are done FA wise either.

He's not big, but he's fast, which is the exact same that was said about Feeney. I'm not comparing him to Feeney, necessarily, just saying that size (height) isn't everything.

[Rock Chalk]

Rick Goselin was on the radio in Dallas a few minutes ago and was asked if there were any players chosen that really suprised him. Without any hesitation he said he was suprised that Denver drafted Elvis Dumerville and that he considered him a free agent guy.
THATS BECAUSE HE IS!

He wont even make the freakin team.

[Rock Chalk]

He's a pass rush specialist/OLB. He's a big time tweener. I don't think the Broncos are done FA wise either.

He's not big, but he's fast, which is the exact same that was said about Feeney. I'm not comparing him to Feeney, necessarily, just saying that size (height) isn't everything.
Where we gonna get the money to dabble in FA?

Cause, I was under the impression we were too broke to get anyone outside of our rookies.

[Tombstone RJ]

Where we gonna get the money to dabble in FA?

Cause, I was under the impression we were too broke to get anyone outside of our rookies.

There's always money to dabble in FA. The Broncos just have to massage then numbers.

[Requiem]

Dummervil could be an ILB... not outside though. He'll be a nickel-rusher for us, probably not an every down guy, but it's a nice pick.

[DBroncos4life]

I saw this guy line up at DT and beat the guard and the center off the snap to cause a fumble. He gets off the snap faster then anyone I've watched in sometime.

[footstepsfrom#27]

From nfl.com...does anybody know what to make of this? http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/dumervil_elvis

Dumervil has been one of the harder players in the 2006 NFL Draft to get a good feel for due to his inconsistent play. Was very consistent getting off the ball at the snap and was consistently right in the middle of the play, pressuring the quarterback and making plays against the run However, he was very inconsistent getting off the ball and did not make the plays...
Clear as mud.

[TheChamp24]

From Todd McShay: "In fact, I like Denver's draft overall so far. They've addressed needs at TE with T. Scheffler, who I think will become a steal from this draft, and at WR with B. Marshall and D. Hixon. Marshall and Hixon are playmakers after the catch and they both have experience in the return game. Dumervil was a good value in the 4th round, too. He dropped b/c of an awful postseason, where he was exposed for his lack of size and initial burst. But getting the DI-A sack leader and forced fumble leader in the fourth round is a good deal."

[bpc]

Well I guess with Dumerville being blocked at the Senior Bowl practices, he sucks and 20 sacks, 11 forced fumbles means absolutely nothing.

I guess this is why Mathias Kiwanuka sucked too because he didn't anything either...

And how Jay Cutler didn't impress anybody with his showing at the Senior Bowl and he should slide...

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okay, now that we over one of the most overated ways to evaluate a senior coming out in the offseason lets get down to what matters: film. He notched 20 sacks as a senior, 11 forced fumbles. Have we ever had anybody on our DL with this type of pedigree coming out of school? No, so screw, I don't care if the guy is a quarter inch shorter then Freeney. The guy has proven season in and season out he will get to the QB and make plays. He has recorded 32 sacks over his career in college, 78 sacks in high school. Thats over 100 career sacks.

This guy has a chance to stick with us and I'm just glad there was a bunch of other teams that passed on him because of his measurements and an overated collegiate all-star game.

This guy is a gamer. Watch when the lights turn on.

[DB-Freak]

I love the Elvis pick.

He'll just front roll between the OL's legs and get to the QB.

[-Slap-]

Really?

Homer This.

Elvis Dumervil DL Louisville 5112 258 9 1/8 32 3/4
Weigh-In Notes: Thick upper body with solid tone.

Monday Practice Notes: Disappointing first day. Dumervil was ineffective both against the run and the pass. His assortment of pass rush moves were stoned all day, never beating a lineman cleanly once. His one play of the day was surprisingly against the run as he beat his opposing lineman across the fact to make one play in the backfield.
Tuesday Practice Notes: The question of speed off the edge has to be brought up. Dumervil appears to lack any. His pass rush attempts to this point in the week have been non effective. His biggest play today was actually against the run as he showed the ability to work across the face of a block and make a tackle for a loss. When double teamed though, he becomes completely engulfed.
Wednesday Practice Notes: Continuously engulfed at the point of attack. The tight ends had no problem blocking Dumervil one on one. Even continued to struggle in his pass rush, only once freeing himself up to get to the quarterback.
Thursday Practice Notes: Struggled again today and was a non-factor. Easily blocked by tight ends one-on-one again today.
Analysis: Came into the week with something to prove and fell flat. Dumervil followed up a weak performance in his team’s bowl game with a bad week in Mobile. Did not show enough speed off the edge or moves to make up for his lack of closing speed off the edge. Continuously engulfed at the point of attack. Should be plummeting down draft boards.
Drills are not games.

[-Slap-]

Dumerville led the nation with 20 sacks. He also led the nation with 11 forced fumbles. That doesn't happen by accident. 30 sacks as a high school senior, too.

[jtomm]

Look at the competition before you judge
He wont even make the freakin team.-Alec
Football wisdom from a pUKe fan. I believe that Elvis had 6 sacks against the kitties last year.

[Odysseus]

Dumerville led the nation with 20 sacks. He also led the nation with 11 forced fumbles. That doesn't happen by accident. 30 sacks as a high school senior, too.

I have heard quite a few positive rumors about this guy. what you said is fact not happy talk. Cool.

[mosca]

Football wisdom from a pUKe fan. I believe that Elvis had 6 sacks against the kitties last year.

dumervil tore it up in college and i hope that some of his competitiveness and motor is carried on to the next level... but his performance against the wildcats should have no relevance here. UK's o-line has got to be one of the worst in D-1 college football. dumervil will be competing against the big boys now that he's in the NFL.

[Requiem]

Look at the competition before you judge.

The same could be said for many prospects, including DeAngelo Williams, who didn't play anyone that tough. Elvis is a nice pick for us.

[Ballhawk]

I have complete faith that Coyer will find a use for this guy. I do not see the pick as a guy with huge upside, but as a specialist tht could really help cut down on teams converting 3rd downs every ****ing time god dammit just stop them once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Atlas]

Dumerville led the nation with 20 sacks. He also led the nation with 11 forced fumbles. That doesn't happen by accident. 30 sacks as a high school senior, too.


Shanny said that Denver might look for some depth at LB. Maybe this is going to be the guy. Depth at LB with him also being a situational pass rusher at DE.

[TheDave]

Where we gonna get the money to dabble in FA?

Cause, I was under the impression we were too broke to get anyone outside of our rookies.

you have to stop listening to heav

[MechanicalBull]

I like the Dumervil pick a lot I actually said we would pick him at that exact position. Hopefully he can come in and get some much needed pressure on the QB so our Dbs don't have to be chasing around the receivers for a long time and give the QB so much time to make a throw.

[Garcia Bronco]

This guy has been stepped on...terrible pick. :)

[Rohirrim]

I want a pass rush so bad that when this guy comes to town, I'll throw flowers on him (not like some Iraqis I know). I'm grasping at straws here.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I would have preferred a real DE insterad of a mini preditor.

[Gcver2ver3]

I would have preferred a real DE insterad of a mini preditor.


not so fast....

this guy led division 1-a in sacks...and he broke the record for forced fumbles in a season....who's record did he break?....dwight freeney's...

speaking of freeney....

this guy compares well to freeney......

dumervil may just weight 257...but let's remember he's only 5'11 to 6'0 tall...so he's compact....it's not like he's 6'7...he's well built....and real strong

plus he's fresh out of college...you know he'll surely add 10 lbs through our training programs....

so in a year or less he'll be about 270 lbs....guss what....dwight freeney is the best pass rusher in football right?.....

well freeney is 6'0 268 lbs.....

shanny may have gotten a mega steal with dumervil.....i hope so

[OrangeShadow]

if he puts a little weight on and not lose the explosiveness hell be good here

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

not so fast....

this guy led division 1-a in sacks...and he broke the record for forced fumbles in a season....who's record did he break?....dwight freeney's...

speaking of freeney....

this guy compares well to freeney......

dumervil may just weight 257...but let's remember he's only 5'11 to 6'0 tall...so he's compact....it's not like he's 6'7...he's well built....and real strong

plus he's fresh out of college...you know he'll surely add 10 lbs through our training programs....

so in a year or less he'll be about 270 lbs....guss what....dwight freeney is the best pass rusher in football right?.....

well freeney is 6'0 268 lbs.....

shanny may have gotten a mega steal with dumervil.....i hope so

I I saw him a bunch in college. He cannot play the run and is not stong or quick enough to get away from a tackle that gets on to him. He likes to sidestep the block and then rush. Thats his only move. He won't be able to do that much with the athletic tackles and TEs in the NFL. He also got most of his sacks when the opponents were in an empty backfield set, so no running back to block him.

[Gcver2ver3]

if he puts a little weight on and not lose the explosiveness hell be good here


shanny loves to copy what works.....

look at my sig and you'll see that he is built much look freeney...

he's stocky....long arms...big butt(for leverage when dropping the shoulders)..and short...

[-Slap-]

He's no Freeney, but he should be able to make some kind of impact as a situational pass rusher.

[Tredici]

If nothing else he has my new favorite roster name.

And you gotta love a guy who comes with Vick cleat marks.

[Gcver2ver3]

I I saw him a bunch in college. He cannot play the run and is not stong or quick enough to get away from a tackle that gets on to him. He likes to sidestep the block and then rush. Thats his only move. He won't be able to do that much with the athletic tackles and TEs in the NFL. He also got most of his sacks when the opponents were in an empty backfield set, so no running back to block him.


that's cool....i hear ya....

i've been reading scouting reports on him since we drafted him.....

some scouts say he can surprise you with his run stopping ability...and that he was rarely stopped by any lineman one on one...i also read that he has more than one rush move....

i'll take what you said and add it to other expert opinions....i'd imagine he's somewhere in between....are you saying you don't think he'll be good for us?

he may lack against the run...but that's not what we want him for...

we have plenty of big d-lineman for the run....i don't recall freeney being great against the run either...

in fact...outside of strahan...i don't think any of the premiere pass rushers are strong against the run...not freeney,suggs,rice,taylor,peppers, etc...

[Gcver2ver3]

He's no Freeney, but he should be able to make some kind of impact as a situational pass rusher.


no he isn't....

but his frame is similar and their college careers are comparable as well....

you never know.....

[yavoon]

not so fast....

this guy led division 1-a in sacks...and he broke the record for forced fumbles in a season....who's record did he break?....dwight freeney's...

speaking of freeney....

this guy compares well to freeney......

dumervil may just weight 257...but let's remember he's only 5'11 to 6'0 tall...so he's compact....it's not like he's 6'7...he's well built....and real strong

plus he's fresh out of college...you know he'll surely add 10 lbs through our training programs....

so in a year or less he'll be about 270 lbs....guss what....dwight freeney is the best pass rusher in football right?.....

well freeney is 6'0 268 lbs.....

shanny may have gotten a mega steal with dumervil.....i hope so

compares well in height/weight and production. but lets not get too carried away, dwight freeney is a lot faster.

dwight freeney 40: 4.38, thats receiver fast.

elvis dumervil 40: 4.83, not receiver fast.

[Gcver2ver3]

compares well in height/weight and production. but lets not get too carried away, dwight freeney is a lot faster.

dwight freeney 40: 4.38, thats receiver fast.

elvis dumervil 40: 4.83, not receiver fast.


freeney ran a 4.38?

wow....

well anyway...i'm gonna be optimistic...i look for this guy to make an instant impact as a pass rusher....just put him in on passing downs and let him run wild for the qb!!!

[yavoon]

freeney ran a 4.38?

wow....

well anyway...i'm gonna be optimistic...i look for this guy to make an instant impact as a pass rusher....just put him in on passing downs and let him run wild for the qb!!!

I like him too, I've been pimping having a great 3rd down pass rusher. and I think this is shanny taking a shot at it. if he pans out he will be great when we get a lead, or at the end of halfs, or on 3rd down, or on second and long. face it the NFL passes the ball a lot.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

that's cool....i hear ya....

i've been reading scouting reports on him since we drafted him.....

some scouts say he can surprise you with his run stopping ability...and that he was rarely stopped by any lineman one on one...i also read that he has more than one rush move....

i'll take what you said and add it to other expert opinions....i'd imagine he's somewhere in between....are you saying you don't think he'll be good for us?

he may lack against the run...but that's not what we want him for...

we have plenty of big d-lineman for the run....i don't recall freeney being great against the run either...

in fact...outside of strahan...i don't think any of the premiere pass rushers are strong against the run...not freeney,suggs,rice,taylor,peppers, etc...

I think he has to beat out Preditor as that pass rush specialist

[yavoon]

I think he has to beat out Preditor as that pass rush specialist

when was predator ever that? in ppl's imaginations?

[Popps]

I'm glad we at least paid our usual lip-service to the position. Maybe the kid will buck the odds.

[Drek]

not so fast....

this guy led division 1-a in sacks...and he broke the record for forced fumbles in a season....who's record did he break?....dwight freeney's...

speaking of freeney....

this guy compares well to freeney......

dumervil may just weight 257...but let's remember he's only 5'11 to 6'0 tall...so he's compact....it's not like he's 6'7...he's well built....and real strong

plus he's fresh out of college...you know he'll surely add 10 lbs through our training programs....

so in a year or less he'll be about 270 lbs....guss what....dwight freeney is the best pass rusher in football right?.....

well freeney is 6'0 268 lbs.....

shanny may have gotten a mega steal with dumervil.....i hope so
He's also not nearly as fast as Freeney was coming out of college. Kiper compared him to Robert Mathis of Indy, who is listed at only 235, was a 5th round pick, and had 11.5 sacks last year, though playing opposite Freeney probably helped.

Dumervil can be productive at the next level, but he's going to have to earn it by stepping his game up. He's done it at every level prior though, so we'll see if he can keep it up.

[Dudeskey]

He'll probably be a situational pass rusher kinda like Mathis. Nice pickup

[OrangeShadow]

all we need him to be is a situational pass rusher.

[DBroncos4life]

40 times are nice but if the DE is already off the line and around the corner then speed doesn't matter any more. He is just quick off the snap. All you have to do is beat your man to a point if you can do that then your doing your job.

[Gcver2ver3]

He's also not nearly as fast as Freeney was coming out of college. Kiper compared him to Robert Mathis of Indy, who is listed at only 235, was a 5th round pick, and had 11.5 sacks last year, though playing opposite Freeney probably helped.

Dumervil can be productive at the next level, but he's going to have to earn it by stepping his game up. He's done it at every level prior though, so we'll see if he can keep it up.


mathis is a good comparison because he only plays on passing downs....

and even considering he still register double-digit sack totals....

if freeney...EERRR...i mean dumervil :P can do that...i'll be more than satisfied..

[Gcver2ver3]

I think he has to beat out Preditor as that pass rush specialist



i don't think that'll be hard...:P

[Requiem]

40 times mean squat, this kid gets off the ball extremely fast and has a good burst. He's a play-maker. I don't care what his size is, Shanahan is right. He has the arms of someone who is 6'6 - which is by far different than most guys who are that small.

[Clockwork Orange]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/09/20/gallery.top10performers/dumervil.jpg

Come on people.......don't be cruel. ;D

[Gcver2ver3]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/09/20/gallery.top10performers/dumervil.jpg

Come on people.......don't be cruel. ;D



nice pic

[2KBack]

compares well in height/weight and production. but lets not get too carried away, dwight freeney is a lot faster.

dwight freeney 40: 4.38, thats receiver fast.

elvis dumervil 40: 4.83, not receiver fast.

The QB isn't 40 yards away

[Gcver2ver3]

The QB isn't 40 yards away



good point

[DB-Freak]

40 times mean squat, this kid gets off the ball extremely fast and has a good burst. He's a play-maker. I don't care what his size is, Shanahan is right. He has the arms of someone who is 6'6 - which is by far different than most guys who are that small.
He's a knuckle dragger? That's pretty sweet.

I heard conflicting things about his quickness off the snap. I'm starting to think the guy's reflex isn't quite up to par while his burst is excellent.

[Gcver2ver3]

He's a knuckle dragger? That's pretty sweet.

I heard conflicting things about his quickness of the snap. I'm starting to think the guy's reflex isn't quite up to par while his burst is excellent.



i just want sacks.....and he gets them....he had 20 last season...and he forces fumbles when he sacks the qb...

11 forced last season which is the record....he broke freeney's record....don't you find that a little ironic?

[Requiem]

Strengths: An explosive pass rusher on the collegiate level. Best fit will either be as a wide-end or situational rush-linebacker in the NFL. He shows good initial burst and snap-anticipation. Possesses good quickness and adequate-to-good top-end speed for the position. Shows a very good center of gravity and plays with balance. Is stocky and stronger than his frame would indicate. Possesses long arms for his shorter frame. He shows a solid variety of speed and power moves to rush the quarterback. Is active and aggressive versus the run. Plays with a great motor and will relentlessly pursue. Shows adequate open-field tackling skills. Possesses a nose for the ball and exceptional big-play flair. Does a great job of knocking the ball out of the QB's hand when closing from the backside. Is a hard worker on and off the field.

[Requiem]

CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
4.68 in the 40-yard dash…495-pound bench press…Bench presses 225 pounds 29 times… 365-pound back squat…308-pound power clean…27.5-inch vertical jump…32 ¾-inch arm length…9 1/8-inch hands…Right-handed…Wears contacts.

Stronger than a lot of the DE's that tested, especially for his size and arm length, also timed in at 4.68 according to the Broncos tid-bit on campus.

[Drek]

40 times mean squat, this kid gets off the ball extremely fast and has a good burst. He's a play-maker. I don't care what his size is, Shanahan is right. He has the arms of someone who is 6'6 - which is by far different than most guys who are that small.
Actually, he claims to have a 6'8" wingspan. Pretty impressive for someone only 5'11", especially since he did 30 bench reps, you need full arm extension for it to count as a rep at the combine.

[-Slap-]

Actually, he claims to have a 6'8" wingspan. Pretty impressive for someone only 5'11", especially since he did 30 bench reps, you need full arm extension for it to count as a rep at the combine.
That turns his lack of height into an advantage of leverage.

[DB-Freak]

CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
365-pound back squat…308-pound power clean

Something really unnatural about that.

[yavoon]

The QB isn't 40 yards away

haha didnt I say that?:)

and its possible to have a slow 40 time and a great jump. but often great 40 times are ppl who are great off the blocks too.

[Requiem]

Right, which is why I don't see people doggin' this pick. If he's four or five inches taller, he's gone way earlier. Tapp was barely two-inches taller, didn't have near the production Elvis did in college and went #63 to the Seahawks. Basically the same knocks, and we got a guy who did better in college two-full rounds later. I don't see how anyone who loved Tapp in the second or third can diss Elvis at the end of round four. It's retarded and we got a guy who is a pass-rushing threat and strips the ball like no other. He's a play-maker and it's one thing our defense needed.

Elvis was a solid selection, even if he's just a situational guy at DE and can't play all the time -- he'll be doing something similar to Kenard Lang who has had a successful career, puting up 4-7 sacks a year in that kind of role. If we got him to be similar to that, that's good. I think he can do more though. Let's all hope. :)

[-Slap-]

Physically, Elvis reminds me of former Patriots nose tackle Ray "Sugar Bear" Hamilton. Be nice if he had a career half as impressive.

[DB-Freak]

haha didnt I say that?:)

and its possible to have a slow 40 time and a great jump. but often great 40 times are ppl who are great off the blocks too.
I read that on average that an olympic lifter has a faster 20 or 10 yarder than olympic sprinters.

Just a cool little tibit.

On a more serious side, 40 yards takes a lot of anaerobic endurance which the big guys don't have much of.

[yavoon]

I read that on average that an olympic lifter has a faster 20 or 10 yarders than olympic sprinters.

Just a cool little tibit.

On a more serious side, 40 yards takes a lot of anaerobic endurance which the big guys don't have much of.

link? I'd love to read that.

[DB-Freak]

link? I'd love to read that.
http://www.geocities.com/~slopitch/drsquat/1olympic.htm


Pound for pound, Olympic weightlifters have a greater level of speed-strength than any other class of athletes in all of sport. This fact was made very clear during a massive scientific expedition carried out on the athletes at the Mexico City Olympics in 1964. Sports scientists found that Olympic lifters were able to both vertical jump higher than any class of athletes (including the high jumpers), and run a 25 yard dash faster than any class of athletes (including the sprinters).

[DB-Freak]

Not exactly as I remember it, but pretty close

[watermock]

As Boomer's newest phrase goes: "Veeeeeeeerrrrrry Intarrrreeessstinggg".

If he's got 20 sacks and 10 FF, he's certainly worth a look as a situational edge rusher. He must do something right. I wanted Kiwi but oh well.

[stoxman]

Ehhh...while I really liked this draft---this kid doesn't do much for me. I'm predicting bust within 3 yrs. with minimal real production. There were better options on the board at this pick but I'll support him as a Bronco.