Denver trying to low-ball GB for Walker? [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Popps

04-28-2006, 03:04 PM

Broncos | Need to come up with a better offer for J. Walker
Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:12:32 -0700

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Denver Broncos are interested in Green Bay Packers WR Javon Walker, but they need to improve their offer to have a chance to acquire him. The Packers probably don't want WR Ashley Lelie of the Broncos in a trade so Denver will have to do some scrambling to pull off a deal for Walker.

This has probably been posted, but what the hell. Better than digging through 28 pages trying to find the latest on the situation.

Sounds like we're trying to get cute with Green Bay. Too many teams interested. Our front office is going to have to step up wit a real offer if they want a weapon like Walker. Or, we can just keep fishing through the draft and striking out at the position, as we've been doing for about 10 years.

Popps

04-28-2006, 03:05 PM

Green Bay doesn't want Lelie, either. Pretty funny... teams are falling all over themselves to make offers for Walker and we can't trade Lelie for a cup of coffee.

Paladin

04-28-2006, 03:07 PM

He's worth more than a cup of coffee. Maybe an espresso?

scorpio

04-28-2006, 03:07 PM

I wonder what Freddie Mitchell is up to these days....

(kidding! kidding!)

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 03:08 PM

Green Bay doesn't want Lelie, either. Pretty funny... teams are falling all over themselves to make offers for Walker and we can't trade Lelie for a cup of coffee.

Really? Interest doesn't = offer. As of now, a whopping 2 teams have made offers for Walker, Denver and Philly.

Clockwork Orange

04-28-2006, 03:09 PM

I wonder what Freddie Mitchell is up to these days....

Probably sitting around thanking his hands for being so great.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 03:11 PM

They're now looking a 2nd rounder plus. Thompson can stick Javon where the sun doesn't shine.

Requiem

04-28-2006, 03:11 PM

I guess someone reported New England liked Lelie. I think New England has two-third round selections. Let's get one babes.

Atlas

04-28-2006, 03:12 PM

Orange_Beard

04-28-2006, 03:12 PM

We have tried to "lowball" every FA this off season, why would this be any different?

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 03:15 PM

I guess someone reported New England liked Lelie. I think New England has two-third round selections. Let's get one babes.

If we dont get Walker which is looking more unlikely as every hour passes then Lelie has to stay unless a ridiculous offer comes in. No rookie WR will be starting on our offense this season and Terrell, Watts, Adams etc dont exactly fill me with confidence.

Bronco_Beerslug

04-28-2006, 03:23 PM

I'm not buying they don't want Lelie, if Driver wants traded too.

Hulamau

04-28-2006, 03:25 PM

If the Packers don't want Lelie in a trade than forget them. Denver doesn't need to waste draft picks on Walker. I'm sure Denver could make a deal for Donte Stalworth if not then I don't think it's a big deal. Bring Lelie in and make him play this year he will be motivated as it is a contract year and hopefully he'll have a great year and be SB MVP. Then he'll be an unrestricted FA.

Keep Lelie and go ahead and draft two WRS. That to me makes a lot of sense.
Screw the Packers.

I couldnt agree more Atlas!

This dog and pony show over Walker is a distraction at this point. If we are going to get Davis lets work something with the Jets.

Id even rather have Stallworth at this point than a much too pricy Walker with a questionable knee.

Bring Lelie back into the fold and give him the chance to earn his money in thsi contract year. This would be better solution at this point and between him SMith and Terrell
we should do just fine if we can bag Vernon Davis too. We can even still draft one of the 2nd/ 3rd WR prospects if dont get Stallworth.

If we lose Lelie we need Stallworth or Walker period. We would be desparately insane to give up Lelie AND a second or third rounder for an injured Walker though!

Atlas

04-28-2006, 03:26 PM

We have tried to "lowball" every FA this off season, why would this be any different?

Lelie for Walker and a mif round draft choice is not lowballing.

Keep Lelie and draft two WRS!!

Requiem

04-28-2006, 03:27 PM

Lelie for Stallworth. (Maybe a late-rounder to make the deal better - but it's pretty even.)

Also, don't worry about receiver guys - Santoni-oh-nee will be our selection tomorrow at 3:09 EST. :D

yerner

04-28-2006, 03:28 PM

I say keep lelie and tell him to shut up and play. if he complains bench him. watch the offers he gets next year. he's got no leverage. no one wants him.

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 03:31 PM

I love the thread title Popps, nice spin job. It can not be that GB is asking too much, but that we are cheap lol

Lelie is going to find out that there is not enough interest out there and will be back for 2006. Many are acting like he is holding out.

Mile High Shack

04-28-2006, 03:34 PM

you'd think by some posters on here, Lelie is the next Jerry Rice, I can't imagine teams not falling over themselves to acquire him

Orange_Beard

04-28-2006, 03:36 PM

Lelie for Walker and a mif round draft choice is not lowballing.

Keep Lelie and draft two WRS!!

Yeah you are right, that would be a fair offer. I was thinking more about TO et al, trying to get them for nothing.

clint7

04-28-2006, 03:41 PM

When the 49ers and Packers don't want ya, you have to really reconsider that dream of being a #1 WR. ;)

Atlas

04-28-2006, 03:41 PM

I figured out why GB doesn't want Lelie. Because they are GB

No one wants to play for that organization
No one wants to play in that town
No WR wants to play WR for the aging int throwing Brett Favre.

If GB traded for Lelie they know they wopuld have a hard time resigning him. It's as simple as that. With one year left on his contract do you think he wants to sign an extended contract for the frugal franchise in GB.

DBroncos4life

04-28-2006, 03:43 PM

Atleast Lelie has enough speed to get down field and break up Brett's passes to the D.

clint7

04-28-2006, 03:46 PM

Atleast Lelie has enough speed to get down field and break up Brett's passes to the D.

Ha! I was thinking the same thing.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 03:46 PM

you'd think by some posters on here, Lelie is the next Jerry Rice, I can't imagine teams not falling over themselves to acquire him

You could say the same about Walker ffs. He isn't anything special and he's gonna be even worse with Jake throwing behind him. Like to see Javon adjust to them throws with his dodgy ACL.

WABronco

04-28-2006, 03:47 PM

Lelie for Stallworth. (Maybe a late-rounder to make the deal better - but it's pretty even.)

Also, don't worry about receiver guys - Santoni-oh-nee will be our selection tomorrow at 3:09 EST. :D

Fine by me...

Stallworth actually produced when Horn was out last year...so that'd be fine with me.

Mile High Shack

04-28-2006, 03:50 PM

You could say the same about Walker ffs. He isn't anything special and he's gonna be even worse with Jake throwing behind him. Like to see Javon adjust to them throws with his dodgy ACL.

at least Javon can run more than a go route

DBroncos4life

04-28-2006, 03:51 PM

at least Javon can run more than a go route
Have you seen Plummers slants and faids???

Popps

04-28-2006, 03:53 PM

Really? Interest doesn't = offer. As of now, a whopping 2 teams have made offers for Walker, Denver and Philly.

He's got a visit to Miami and New England and New Orleans have made inquiries.

That's 5 more teams showing interest than we've seen for Lelie.

Mile High Shack

04-28-2006, 03:53 PM

Have you seen Plummers slants and faids???

Rod can catch them

sisterhellfyre

04-28-2006, 03:53 PM

We have tried to "lowball" every FA this off season, why would this be any different?

"Lowball?" Or offer to pay them what they're really worth, even if they don't like it?

I don't remember where it was exactly, but one of the football sites reported a conversation between an agent and a GM when the new, higher salary cap figure was announced. This story may be apocryphal, but it probably played out in a dozen forms around the league.

Agent: "There's more money for my guy now that the cap is increased."

GM: "Yeah, but his talent hasn't increased at all."

There seemed to be an automatic assumption that free agent offers and contracts would go up this summer... but the available players are no better than average. John Abraham? T.O.? Andre Carter? I wouldn't have thrown big money at any of these guys, cuz they're just not worth it. Most of the so-called "big name" free agents also had big question marks this year.

Dan Snyder may be an idiot, but that doesn't mean the rest of the league has to follow his example.

Regards,
m.

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 03:54 PM

He's got a visit to Miami and New England and New Orleans have made inquiries.

That's 5 more teams showing interest than we've seen for Lelie.

Actually it'd be 2 more teams than are known to be showing an interest in Lelie. TB, KC, and the Pats are interested in Lelie per Schefter.

DBroncos4life

04-28-2006, 03:56 PM

Rod can catch them
The slant maybe but it was a fade pass to Rod that cost us the SD game two years ago.

Broncoman13

04-28-2006, 03:56 PM

Lelie for Stallworth. (Maybe a late-rounder to make the deal better - but it's pretty even.)

Also, don't worry about receiver guys - Santoni-oh-nee will be our selection tomorrow at 3:09 EST. :D

You say that like you would welcome the pick... please tell me I'm wrong!!!

Popps

04-28-2006, 03:57 PM

I love the thread title Popps, nice spin job. It can not be that GB is asking too much, but that we are cheap lol

Spin job? Green Bay said we need to up the price. They have the commodity, hence they'll set the bar as far as the market value of that commodity. If they say it takes "A" to get him, and we continue to try to offer "B" for him, then we're coming in lower than what they've asked. Some of that is bargaining, and some of it may simply be that we're doing what we've done all off-season, thus far... trying to get something for nothing. Hey, maybe it'll work. Maybe Green Bay will suddenly go stupid and trade us Walker for a third round pick, despite a bunch of other teams showing interest.

Also, notice the question mark at the end of the thread title? That usually means something is being posed as a question, or a potentiality.

Sorry to confuse you, though.

epicSocialism4tw

04-28-2006, 03:57 PM

Broncoman13

04-28-2006, 03:58 PM

As for Javon, I've been wanting him this entire time. But if the Packers think they're going to push us into giving up more than what he's worth then they can sit and spin. In fact, I'd much rather send Ash to NOLA for Stallworth and then let the Packers f*** themselves over with a WR that won't even show up for camp! F'em!!!

Popps

04-28-2006, 03:59 PM

Actually it'd be 2 more teams than are known to be showing an interest in Lelie. TB, KC, and the Pats are interested in Lelie per Schefter.

I haven't heard of Lelie making one visit, and the 49ers wouldn't even trade us a 2nd rounder for him. Not exactly a hot market.

You think Lelie will bring more than Walker in a trade? You think he'll land a bigger contract?

Please.

Taco John

04-28-2006, 03:59 PM

I'm afraid that the next person that uses the word "apocryphal" is going to be banned. We have a reputation to upkeep here folks...

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 04:00 PM

This just looks like posturing at this point. I wouldnt overreact at a statement from the Packers to John Clayton that the Broncos need to offer more. Who doesnt want more? The Pack are hamstrung by this guy. Lets get real here.

The real deal is that Thompson is not going to cave to a player. Just like Shanny will not cave to Lelie.

My guess is Walker will show up for the required 6 games to get credit for the year on his contract and will hit the FA market next year.

NFLBRONCO

04-28-2006, 04:00 PM

Let's overpay on a guy with an ACL what a plan. I like that Denver isn't going crazy to land Walker. I say move on this is getting old already.

WABronco

04-28-2006, 04:02 PM

Spin job? Green Bay said we need to up the price. They have the commodity, hence they'll set the bar as far as the market value of that commodity. If they say it takes "A" to get him, and we continue to try to offer "B" for him, then we're coming in lower than what they've asked. Some of that is bargaining, and some of it may simply be that we're doing what we've done all off-season, thus far... trying to get something for nothing. Hey, maybe it'll work. Maybe Green Bay will suddenly go stupid and trade us Walker for a third round pick, despite a bunch of other teams showing interest.

Also, notice the question mark at the end of the thread title? That usually means something is being posed as a question, or a potentiality.

Sorry to confuse you, though.

You don't trade a freaking first round pick for him, plain and simple. The highest offer should be pick no. 61 IMO...anything else is really pushing it.

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 04:05 PM

You think Lelie will bring more than Walker in a trade? You think he'll land a bigger contract?

Please.

Good straw man. Please provide the link to any post where I've said that A- Lelie will bring more in a trade than Walker, and B- Lelie will get a bigger contract.

epicSocialism4tw

04-28-2006, 04:07 PM

Let's overpay on a guy with an ACL what a plan. I like that Denver isn't going crazy to land Walker. I say move on this is getting old already.

I think that you have a point. No reason to overspend both in cap space and in resources for a guy that we are unsure about. The Pack have held on as long as they can for the best deal available, and some loser team will probably dish out the jack for him. Denver is not some loser team. There is no need to run after these guys like we need them more than they need us. No need to be desperate. Shanahan doesnt do deals that dont work for him.

Popps

04-28-2006, 04:08 PM

Good straw man. Please provide the link to any post where I've said that A- Lelie will bring more in a trade than Walker, and B- Lelie will get a bigger contract.

There were two question marks in two consecutive sentences. Hence, that again makes it two questions.

So, no... it's not a straw man. You're downplaying the interest in Walker and playing up interest in Lelie, so I simply put a question out to you.

Sounds like you think there's more interest in Walker... which there is.

Popps

04-28-2006, 04:10 PM

You don't trade a freaking first round pick for him, plain and simple. The highest offer should be pick no. 61 IMO...anything else is really pushing it.

Right, because there is a dead-lock at #37 with more proven upside than Walker in the NFL, right? The next Terry Pierce? Eric Brown?

But, that's just MO. We've all got an O.

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 04:12 PM

Spin job? Green Bay said we need to up the price. They have the commodity, hence they'll set the bar as far as the market value of that commodity. If they say it takes "A" to get him, and we continue to try to offer "B" for him, then we're coming in lower than what they've asked. Some of that is bargaining, and some of it may simply be that we're doing what we've done all off-season, thus far... trying to get something for nothing. Hey, maybe it'll work. Maybe Green Bay will suddenly go stupid and trade us Walker for a third round pick, despite a bunch of other teams showing interest.

Also, notice the question mark at the end of the thread title? That usually means something is being posed as a question, or a potentiality.

Sorry to confuse you, though.

Oh a question mark means that no bias is there. Like, Does Popps have a mancrush on Walker? Questions are in fact the best way to spin, as you are aware of Im sure.

Demand sets the price. How many teams have come in with higher offers than Denver? Did you know Philly has pretty much lost interest? I think that GB asking for too much is a little more accurate than we are lowballing.

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 04:15 PM

There were two question marks in two consecutive sentences. Hence, that again makes it two questions.

So, no... it's not a straw man. You're downplaying the interest in Walker and playing up interest in Lelie, so I simply put a question out to you.

Sounds like you think there's more interest in Walker... which there is.

Deflector shields on full Popps. But if they're two separate questions, please point out a post where I've said either or inferred either. Sorry, I never have.

Oh, and I'm not downplaying the interest in Walker and upping Lelie's interest. I'm pointing out that there is interest in Lelie and that you've overstated the interest in Walker. Try to remain in reality next time.

But, let's go through this thread and do a recap for anyone joining late:
Popps- teams are falling all overthemselves to make offers for Walker

Herc- there are only 2 known offers for Walker

Popps- well teams have inquired, that's more than Lelie can say

Herc- no, Schefter listed 3 teams that were interested in Lelie

Popps- well I'll attack what you think since you've twice caught me over-exaggerating in this thread. You obviously think Lelie is worth more in a trade + a contract.

Herc- Show me where I've said that

Popps- I can't, but I'll try to get out of it by saying that you're the exaggerating the interest levels in both

WABronco

04-28-2006, 04:18 PM

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 04:23 PM

Apparently...

John Clayton just said that Green Bay is looking for:

A 2nd rounder

and

A 4th rounder

and

A Player

...no link. It was posted on another board by someone who spoke directly to Clayton at the ESPN Zone thing in New York.

Sounds like they want 1st round compensation still, which is a joke.

Taco John

04-28-2006, 04:31 PM

There's no way Walker is worth a 2nd, a 4th, and a player...

He's worth maybe a player and a 4th... Maybe... If we're feeling desperate.

SoCalBronco

04-28-2006, 04:34 PM

Apparently...

John Clayton just said that Green Bay is looking for:

A 2nd rounder

and

A 4th rounder

and

A Player

...no link. It was posted on another board by someone who spoke directly to Clayton at the ESPN Zone thing in New York.

How bout a single 4th take it or leave it.

I'd throwup if it was a 2,4 and a player. Even Shanny, when he gets into his irrational draft day mode isnt dumb enough to fall for that.

clint7

04-28-2006, 04:36 PM

Apparently...

John Clayton just said that Green Bay is looking for:

A 2nd rounder

and

A 4th rounder

and

A Player

Might as well ask for a company car and the Province of Manitoba while they are at it. ::)

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 04:48 PM

There's no way Walker is worth a 2nd, a 4th, and a player...

He's worth maybe a player and a 4th... Maybe... If we're feeling desperate.

Depending on the player that deal would be worth more than a late 1st rd pick. Has Brett made them up the compensation???

Gcver2ver3

04-28-2006, 04:50 PM

Apparently...

John Clayton just said that Green Bay is looking for:

A 2nd rounder

and

A 4th rounder

and

A Player

...no link. It was posted on another board by someone who spoke directly to Clayton at the ESPN Zone thing in New York.

i have been hoping that we could land Walker to avoid using our 1st rounder on a wr.......

but even i have to admit that sounds a little steep for JW

Sassy

04-28-2006, 04:58 PM

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1673&dateline=1146257171
Ok..that's hot! ;D

WyoLaw

04-28-2006, 05:05 PM

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 05:12 PM

I know most are in love with Walker, but with the Packers high demad and his ACL, I think a more reasonable approach would be Dante Stallworth. What do you guys think? Stallworth really came into his own last year. He worked good along side Joe Horn and would probably do the same along side Rod Smith, and wouldn't cost as much.

He is injury prone and loses focus. IMO we have a solution already on the team in David Terrell, who will give us that short and intermediate guy. Stallworth is also in the last year of his contract and would ned to be resigned. Just keep Lelie for a year and let him walk. El Randel walked, Wayne Walked, sometimes you just lose guys to FA, but for this year Lelie is the best WR for us. Save the money and go FA next year if needed.

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 05:13 PM

There's no way Walker is worth a 2nd, a 4th, and a player...

He's worth maybe a player and a 4th... Maybe... If we're feeling desperate.

Shanahan's desperate, he'll do it. He's going to hand over 3 players for a WR coming off of a blown out knee who has had 1 good season. He doesn't have the balls to walk away at this point.

yerner

04-28-2006, 05:14 PM

Anybody read the profootballtalk.com message about denver keeping walker from leaving?

Northman

04-28-2006, 05:15 PM

I heard today that the two teams interested in Trading places with NO is Denver and NY Jets. Both seem really interested in that pick. If Denver wants to move up that high who are they looking to get?

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 05:16 PM

Anybody read the profootballtalk.com message about denver keeping walker from leaving?

I hope they are holding him hostage and demanding Driver ;D

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 05:16 PM

Anybody read the profootballtalk.com message about denver keeping walker from leaving?

http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/breakpack_25806836.shtml

WyoLaw

04-28-2006, 05:18 PM

He is injury prone and loses focus. IMO we have a solution already on the team in David Terrell, who will give us that short and intermediate guy. Stallworth is also in the last year of his contract and would ned to be resigned. Just keep Lelie for a year and let him walk. El Randel walked, Wayne Walked, sometimes you just lose guys to FA, but for this year Lelie is the best WR for us. Save the money and go FA next year if needed.

You are correct, Stallworth has been injury prone, but if you could swap him for Lelie would you do it (straight up)? I would. A change of senery might be helpful. And Lelie, Walker and Stallworth are all in the last year of their contract so that's a problem with all. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Reggie Wayne never walked away from Indi. Didn't he resign?

Northman

04-28-2006, 05:19 PM

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 05:23 PM

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 05:24 PM

You are correct, Stallworth has been injury prone, but if you could swap him for Lelie would you do it (straight up)? I would. A change of senery might be helpful. And Lelie, Walker and Stallworth are all in the last year of their contract so that's a problem with all. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Reggie Wayne never walked away from Indi. Didn't he resign?

I wouldnt do it because I think that Stallworth would take a couple years before learning our system.

Your right I thought Wayne left via FA, but the point stands that players leave as FA and if your lucky you get a comp pick. Lelie is more valuable to us for a title run this year than any WR that is available.

yerner

04-28-2006, 05:26 PM

anybody see irvins suit on sportscenter?
it probably costs as much as my car.

Northman

04-28-2006, 05:27 PM

I highly doubt they're looking to get to 2 but if they were it would be for Mario.

Not from what i heard today. If they got the second spot it would be for Bush.

Barry Ramey

04-28-2006, 05:30 PM

Unless the Packers take less, I'd hope the Broncos forget that deal and move on.

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 05:33 PM

Unless the Packers take less, I'd hope the Broncos forget that deal and move on.

Shanny can't, he's backed himself into a corner. He's ****ed because he didn't do anything in FA, and he's got to make a move. Everything else dried up this offseason, Javon is the only target that's left. His ego won't let him walk, he's not going to miss out on everyone he wanted this winter.

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 05:37 PM

SoCalBronco

04-28-2006, 05:38 PM

2 2nds....**** no. They can go **** themselves

Northman

04-28-2006, 05:39 PM

Now the question for Javon is, who does he want throwing to him? Brady or Plummer?

elsid13

04-28-2006, 05:39 PM

Shanny can't, he's backed himself into a corner. He's ****ed because he didn't do anything in FA, and he's got to make a move. Everything else dried up this offseason, Javon is the only target that's left. His ego won't let him walk, he's not going to miss out on everyone he wanted this winter.

Shanahan can still hold onto Lelie for year, and draft a WR to develop into that role. Plus, Charles Rodgers might be cut- he was top 5 draft choice for a reason- and he provide the vertical receiving threat. So he really hasn't back himself into a corner. There are always options.

rbackfactory80

04-28-2006, 05:42 PM

Javon is out for the money and the Patriots success will have little to do with his selection. The Patriots never pay anybody high. Also the Patriots are not the type of team to break the bank on a wide receiver who is possibly never going to be the same. They value draft picks way to much and if we want Walker we still should be able to get him.

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 05:42 PM

Shanahan can still hold onto Lelie for year, and draft a WR to develop into that role. Plus, Charles Rodgers might be cut- he was top 5 draft choice for a reason- and he provide the vertical receiving threat. So he really hasn't back himself into a corner. There are always options.

With all his targets, yes he has. No one's left. Carter, Lewis, TO, and Abraham are all gone.

rbackfactory80

04-28-2006, 05:44 PM

Shanahan can still hold onto Lelie for year, and draft a WR to develop into that role. Plus, Charles Rodgers might be cut- he was top 5 draft choice for a reason- and he provide the vertical receiving threat. So he really hasn't back himself into a corner. There are always options.

If we do not get Walker how does he possibly pass on receiver at 15? With Lelie being more then a question mark and not wanting to play here saying wide receiver is the weak link of our team would be an understatement.

Northman

04-28-2006, 05:45 PM

With all his targets, yes he has. No one's left. Carter, Lewis, TO, and Abraham are all gone.

Does he necessarily have to bring in a FA? it would have been nice but i guess he could always just use the draft picks for depth. We made it too the AFCC game with the crew we have. Just need some more depth really and maybe get lucky with a rookie who can ball right away.

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 05:47 PM

We made it too the AFCC game with the crew we have.

Anderson- Baltimore
Pryce- Baltimore
Putzier- Houston

elsid13

04-28-2006, 05:48 PM

With all his targets, yes he has. No one's left. Carter, Lewis, TO, and Abraham are all gone.

OK

Carter - nice player not worth what the Skins are paying him
Lewis - long shot not to leave Baltimore
TO - Only Dallas offered more then 1 year deal
Abraham- good player but do would hampered our ability to be build depth in good NFL draft class. Plus wanted to be paid

Shanahan and the rest front office were smart to keep us free of the fiscal and mental burden the guys would have dealt the team. The key is long term success and this draft gives us that ability.

WyoLaw

04-28-2006, 05:49 PM

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/patriots/

Not so fast …
Posted by: John Tomase

Javon Walker may yet meet with the Patriots after all. Just hours after agent Fletcher Smith told the Herald the Packers All-Pro wide receiver wants to visit New England but had yet to receive the OK from Green Bay, word out of Denver is that Walker boarded a plane late this afternoon and is in the air as we speak, bound for Foxboro.

Walker’s visit doesn’t mean the Patriots have acquired the disgruntled wideout. It merely means they’ll get a chance to examine his surgically repaired right knee. He tore his ACL in last season’s opener, but a source in New Orleans, which Walker visited yesterday, said his knee checked out fine.

The Broncos desperately tried to acquire Walker, with the feeling being they may have tried to keep him in Denver today and out of New England so they could complete a deal. Green Bay’s initial asking price of a first-round pick appears unlikely to be met, with one source saying the Packers would take a second rounder this year and next for Walker, who caught 89 passes for 1,382 yards and 12 TDs last year.

Good, I hope Walker signs with the Pats. It would ensure that Shanahan won't do something stupid. The asking price is just too darnn high. But I really don't think Shanahan will sign Walker just because of his ego. He'll do what he thinks is best for the team. And frankly I think he and Sundquist have done a good job this offseason. They haven't overpaid for anyone, which is what they would have had to have done to land any of the free agents that came to vist. They took care of their own and are now looking to build towards the draft. Here's for a good Bronco Weekend!!!!

WyoLaw

04-28-2006, 05:52 PM

If we do not get Walker how does he possibly pass on receiver at 15? With Lelie being more then a question mark and not wanting to play here saying wide receiver is the weak link of our team would be an understatement.

How do you pass on a receiver at 15? Easily, 15 for either Holmes or Jackson is WAY too high. Select a position of need or trade down, or do the right thing and pick up Stovall in the second. He'll be better then either of the two afforementioned receivers.

elsid13

04-28-2006, 05:52 PM

If we do not get Walker how does he possibly pass on receiver at 15? With Lelie being more then a question mark and not wanting to play here saying wide receiver is the weak link of our team would be an understatement.

Because there are some good WRs later in draft that could fit the WC offense better and be solid 2nd WR. Guys like Marshall, Jenning, Stovall, Williams, Hass, Hagan are solid guys that have chance to good in this league. A lot of very good WRs aren't first round guys and didn't get any respect from the draft experts. Prime example Boldin from AZ, bet very few if any thought he would be special.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 05:53 PM

Good, I hope Walker signs with the Pats. It would ensure that Shanahan won't do something stupid. The asking price is just too darnn high. But I really don't think Shanahan will sign Walker just because of his ego. He'll do what he thinks is best for the team. And frankly I think he and Sundquist have done a good job this offseason. They haven't overpaid for anyone, which is what they would have had to have done to land any of the free agents that came to vist. They took care of their own and are now looking to build towards the draft. Here's for a good Bronco Weekend!!!!

He could still do something stupid like drafting Holmes or Jackson 10-15 slots ahead of where they should be.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 05:54 PM

Because there are some good WRs later in draft that could fit the WC offense better and be solid 2nd WR. Guys like Marshall, Jenning, Stovall, Williams, Hass, Hagan are solid guys that have chance to good in this league. A lot of very good WRs aren't first round guys and didn't get any respect from the draft experts. Prime example Boldin from AZ, bet very few if any thought he would be special.

Nearly every NFL source including some in-house ones have stated that the Broncos are very high on Holmes and Jackson.

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 05:55 PM

Shanahan and the rest front office were smart to keep us free of the fiscal and mental burden the guys would have dealt the team. The key is long term success and this draft gives us that ability.

Sure they were, of course they've also got some financial burdens because of their inability to draft outside of the 1st round that forces them to go out and sign vets, which cost more. They spent no money this offseason to improve a team that was not good enough to win at home in the conference championship last year. They also cut three starters that have not been replaced by even comparable players. Denver needs a lot more help than depth in this draft. How many 13-3 teams have about 6 positions that if addressed in the 1st round, could have that guy come in and challenge for a starting spot?

But don't worry, Shanny/Sundquist brought out the Kool-Aid that not losing a ton is really going forward.

Northman

04-28-2006, 05:56 PM

Anderson- Baltimore
Pryce- Baltimore
Putzier- Houston

Yea, but i was talking mainly at the Wideout position.

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 05:56 PM

Nearly every NFL source including some in-house ones have stated that the Broncos are very high on Holmes and Jackson.

How high could they be if they have been trying every which way they can to move up into top 6? Or to trade for JW?

Broncos never talk openly about the guys they really want.

elsid13

04-28-2006, 05:56 PM

He could still do something stupid like drafting Holmes or Jackson 10-15 slots ahead of where they should be.

Since he going to take Allen or Cromartie to play FS, we won't have worry about that.

WyoLaw

04-28-2006, 05:58 PM

Anderson- Baltimore
Pryce- Baltimore
Putzier- Houston

Come on, are you serious?

Anderson - Dayne (Dayne will out perform Anderson)
Pryce - Did nothing (excpet for the home KC game). I'll take Lang, Engleberger and whoever else they bring in.
Putzier - Did very little, most TE's in Denver's offense, given the opportunity, would put up the same numbers.

I can't believe you forgot to bring up Monsanto Pope.

WyoLaw

04-28-2006, 06:00 PM

He could still do something stupid like drafting Holmes or Jackson 10-15 slots ahead of where they should be.

My point above...

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 06:02 PM

Come on, are you serious?

Anderson - Dayne (Dayne will out perform Anderson)
Pryce - Did nothing (excpet for the home KC game). I'll take Lang, Engleberger and whoever else they bring in.
Putzier - Did very little, most TE's in Denver's offense, given the opportunity, would put up the same numbers.

Are you serious?
Denver has to have the absolute worst TE situation in the league. To even make an argument that the Puztier loss doesn't mean anything is laughable, despite the numbers he put.
Dayne has never shown that he can put together a full season, sorry if his limited amount carries from last season doesn't get me excited that he can replaced a 1,000 yd rusher.
Engleberger did nothing in his time last year to believe he can top even Pryce's limited production.

None of the guys Denver cut were great, but they're replacements aren't better players. This team is not as good as last season.

Northman

04-28-2006, 06:04 PM

WyoLaw

04-28-2006, 06:04 PM

Never said they were any better. Just stated that it's basically a push. And in the case of Dayne I will say he is better. You'll soon see as well. But your negative outlook might get in the way.

WyoLaw

04-28-2006, 06:09 PM

Are you serious?
Denver has to have the absolute worst TE situation in the league. To even make an argument that the Puztier loss doesn't mean anything is laughable, despite the numbers he put.
Dayne has never shown that he can put together a full season, sorry if his limited amount carries from last season doesn't get me excited that he can replaced a 1,000 yd rusher.
Engleberger did nothing in his time last year to believe he can top even Pryce's limited production.

None of the guys Denver cut were great, but they're replacements aren't better players. This team is not as good as last season.

What would you have done? Would you have seriously paid Pryce what he was scheduled to make? After the year he had. Not me. Putizer was a sissy-boy. Sure he took some shot and got up, but that's his job. Sissy-boy in that he couldn't get the job done when it was needed. (ex. in the running game and the red zone - when TE's are the most important). I'll take the inexpierenced Duke and run away from Putizer any day. As for Engleberger, he didn't get the chance, and frankly probably won't amount to much, but the Broncos aren't done addressing that problem. And Lang will be everything Pryce was, at the very least.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 06:09 PM

How high could they be if they have been trying every which way they can to move up into top 6? Or to trade for JW?

Broncos never talk openly about the guys they really want.

The only move that has been officially stated and rebuffed was the 49er one. The others are nothing more than fantasy or rumours. I'll go with the comments made by a regular on here who has more Broncos insight than the Post and RMN writers put together and he stated that the Broncos really like both Holmes and Jackson. He also stated that any deal for Walker wouldn't include moving up to 5 and Walker's/Green Bay's demands would likely scupper any move at all.

If we select one of those 2 WR's at 15 or alternatively give the Packers a great package for Walker and then pay Javon as a top 10-20 receiver begs the question why wasn't the receiver issue sorted out long before the day before the draft or even on the 1st day of the draft???

If they could've landed a decent WR during FA they could've been sitting pretty now with 4 picks in the 1st 68 and less holes to fill instead of looking to see what scraps are left.

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 06:13 PM

The only move that has been officially stated and rebuffed was the 49er one. The others are nothing more than fantasy or rumours.
I believe that it was confirmed that we inquired with two other teams about trading up. It just doesn't fit that if they were high on those two WRs that we would be looking to move anywhere. I just think it is lip service.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 06:22 PM

I believe that it was confirmed that we inquired with two other teams about trading up. It just doesn't fit that if they were high on those two WRs that we would be looking to move anywhere. I just think it is lip service.

Could be but then again moving up for Davis was never going to fill the WR void which got considerably worse after Ash threw the dolly out of the buggy.

Broncos probably thought they could get both Vernon and Javon and still have enough manouverability to bring in a few more prospects. The Lelie trade rumours have been circling since TJ 1st posted them a couple of months ago but that still doesn't answer the question as to why Denver never really pursued any of the other FA WR's such as Givens, Jurevicius, Bryant etc or even attempted to land a second tier one. Mike Shanahan and Ted Sundqvist must be very high on David Terrell or thought they would get Walker for nothing to not even attempt to make a move in FA.

If you look at our current offensive roster one has to be honest and admit that it's one of the weakest seen in Denver for a long-time.

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 06:27 PM

If you look at our current offensive roster one has to be honest and admit that it's one of the weakest seen in Denver for a long-time.

I wish we would have gone after Givens but oh well. Lelie has asked to be traded and Mike threw him a bone. In the end he will be here IMO. I am high on Terrell having a good year. I think if Nate Jackson can stay healthy he can replace Putz (who took three years to really make the switch from WR). I also think that CB will be more of a force on the Dline now that he comes into camp healthy. Browner looked good before going IR. Paymah should take a step forward. Overall I just do not think we are in as dire need as some on this board.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 06:35 PM

I wish we would have gone after Givens but oh well. Lelie has asked to be traded and Mike threw him a bone. In the end he will be here IMO. I am high on Terrell having a good year. I think if Nate Jackson can stay healthy he can replace Putz (who took three years to really make the switch from WR). I also think that CB will be more of a force on the Dline now that he comes into camp healthy. Browner looked good before going IR. Paymah should take a step forward. Overall I just do not think we are in as dire need as some on this board.

In those scenarios you're depending on a lot of reserve players stepping up into starting roles/more playing time. Great if they all pan out but the likelyhood is slim. Jackson's been in the Broncos system for 3-4 years now and has done nothing in all honesty. The starting TE will be Alexander and it'll be his job to lose.

If we dont get Walker or trade for another receiver Ash will have to stay unless the FO think Terrell can start this year but that would be a hell of a leap considering he only dressed twice last season. I realise he was injured for 1/2 the year but that's still a big step for him. Even if we draft Holmes or Jackson at 15 (Please God NO!!!) either of those guys will need time to learn our complex system.

The only guy I have a slight bit of confidence in is Dayne although at some point Tatum Bell needs to show he can be the go to guy for 3 quarters at least.

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 06:40 PM

In those scenarios you're depending on a lot of reserve players stepping up into starting roles/more playing time. Great if they all pan out but the likelyhood is slim. Jackson's been in the Broncos system for 3-4 years now and has done nothing in all honesty. The starting TE will be Alexander and it'll be his job to lose.

If we dont get Walker or trade for another receiver Ash will have to stay unless the FO think Terrell can start this year but that would be a hell of a leap considering he only dressed twice last season. I realise he was injured for 1/2 the year but that's still a big step for him. Even if we draft Holmes or Jackson at 15 (Please God NO!!!) either of those guys will need time to learn our complex system.

The only guy I have a slight bit of confidence in is Dayne although at some point Tatum Bell needs to show he can be the go to guy for 3 quarters at least.

Dayne looked good, I never really worry about our running game (although I would like to get another special back in it). Jackson just moved over to TE last year, so can't really say 3-4 years doing nothing.

Terrell did catch 40+ balls for back to back years with crappy QBs throwing the ball. How big a leap does he really need to make to catch 65 (replaces Lelies production).

The draft is not really the place to find 1st year starters, most need a couple years to develop. We still have guys that we have been developing we just have to see if any pans out and I would bet a couple do.

27atwater

04-28-2006, 06:42 PM

gimme stallworth. F walker.

Popps

04-28-2006, 07:26 PM

Oh a question mark means that no bias is there. Like, Does Popps have a mancrush on Walker? Questions are in fact the best way to spin, as you are aware of Im sure.

Demand sets the price. How many teams have come in with higher offers than Denver? Did you know Philly has pretty much lost interest? I think that GB asking for too much is a little more accurate than we are lowballing.

Look man, you can get personal if you want. Name-calling is usually where people without substance to their arguments go.

I'll just stick to the facts. You called it a spin job. I corrected you. I posed it as a question, and I've seen a bunch of good responses... hence, it looks like there is some opinion on the matter out there. Certainly, I have an opinion. It's not a bias. There is a difference.

Furthermore, our lack of activity this off-season and inability to land key players thus far even lends further credibility to the question.

Hope that clears it up for you.

broncohaven

04-28-2006, 07:35 PM

Vernon Davis should be receiving priority #1. Stallworth is no better than Lelie. Walker is a significant upgrade, but not worth it if we lose out on a shot at Davis. Davis can replace the deep threat that is Lelie and do it from the tight end position. And I'm pretty sure he can get off the line at 255 lbs. If we're going to blow our wad, do it on Davis not Walker.

That said, I would love Walker in Denver if he came with Davis in tow.

SoCalBronco

04-28-2006, 07:36 PM

A single 4th, nothing more. Take it or leave it GB. Shanny better not give up anything on Day 1. If they wont deal, GB can go suck their own dicks.

Rohirrim

04-28-2006, 07:40 PM

Popps

04-28-2006, 07:41 PM

Vernon Davis should be receiving priority #1. Stallworth is no better than Lelie. Walker is a significant upgrade, but not worth it if we lose out on a shot at Davis.

Either will be an improvement. Both would be insane. But, keep in mind... Walker has proven a lot more at this level.

The only problem I have with landing Davis is that if we can bump up that far, why not just go the extra mile and get Williams? Let's remember that our defense has gaping holes to fill.

Popps

04-28-2006, 07:43 PM

Why would Shanahan refuse to bow to TO's demands, or anybody elses that they brought in, and then suddenly turn around and dump it for Walker? Walker will come in at Shanahan's set price, or not at all.

Well, there's no question we're not just going to cave in. But, you've got people taking about landing him for a 4th round pick. That's simply not going to happen.

Shanahan will make the big deal when he feels its right. (Bailey.) But, I think a contingent around this board thinks we have to get players dirt cheap or rip other teams off for a deal to work in our favor, and that's simply not the case. Sometimes you just have to send quality to receive quality.

SoCalBronco

04-28-2006, 07:43 PM

Well, there's no question we're not just going to cave in. But, you've got people taking about landing him for a 4th round pick. That's simply not going to happen.

.

Popps...we have all the leverage here.

Billy Clyde Puckett

04-28-2006, 07:46 PM

A single 4th, nothing more. Take it or leave it GB. Shanny better not give up anything on Day 1. If they wont deal, GB can go suck their own dicks.

I can see that with some conditionals from next year based on performance.

Clockwork Orange

04-28-2006, 07:49 PM

Popps...we have all the leverage here.

Actually, we don't.

The Packers are taking a very hard line stance on this whole Javon Walker deal. This was confirmed by Jeff Legwold earlier today on 950 The Fan. Legwold was at Dove Valley today and he said that the Packers are looking at this from a standpoint of not setting a precedent of allowing a disgruntled player to force them into taking less than what they consider to be fair value. There are also multiple suitors for Walker as well as the looming issue of his contract for whoever trades for him.

The Broncos have no leverage in this situation. They have the goods to put together a deal for Walker, but they're not dealing from a position of strength. If the Packers are indeed taking as tough of a stance as is being reported, they hold all the cards. They may very well be willing to let him sit unless someone offers up a deal they like.

broncohaven

04-28-2006, 07:50 PM

Either will be an improvement. Both would be insane. But, keep in mind... Walker has proven a lot more at this level.

The only problem I have with landing Davis is that if we can bump up that far, why not just go the extra mile and get Williams? Let's remember that our defense has gaping holes to fill.
I call it a wash between Davis having no NFL experience and Walker coming off the knee injury. I agree that Walker is the safer bet, but Davis's ceiling is off the charts.

Our D has some holes, but they carried this team last year and I expect the same this year. Upgrades on offense will go further in getting the Broncos to the next level.

SoCalBronco

04-28-2006, 07:53 PM

Actually, we don't.

The Packers are taking a very hard line stance on this whole Javon Walker deal. This was confirmed by Jeff Legwold earlier today on 950 The Fan. Legwold was at Dove Valley today and he said that the Packers are looking at this from a standpoint of not setting a precedent of allowing a disgruntled player to force them into taking less than what they consider to be fair value. There are also multiple suitors for Walker as well as the looming issue of his contract for whoever trades for him.

The Broncos have no leverage in this situation. They have the goods to put together a deal for Walker, but they're not dealing from a position of strength. If the Packers are indeed taking as tough of a stance as is being reported, they hold all the cards. They may very well be willing to let him sit unless someone offers up a deal they like.

Well...if that is the case, than im glad.

At least we wont have to give up any picks. :)

Popps

04-28-2006, 07:57 PM

Our D has some holes, but they carried this team last year and I expect the same this year. Upgrades on offense will go further in getting the Broncos to the next level.

Our defense has been destroyed in the first half of playoff games over the past three losses... giving up an average of like 27 points, right out of the gate. Two offensive players aren't going to fix that. We're near the bottom of the league in pass-rush. We've got severe problems and they become very apparent every time we play a real playoff caliber team.

Certainly, I'm all for offensive upgrades. I'm in somewhat of a minority thinking that we should really make a run at Walker. But, a simple look at the box scores of the first half of our past 3 playoff losses tells you all you need to know. Our defense gets pushed around in the playoffs. We can't stop the pass, which eventually means that we can't stop the run.

Playoff football often requires defenses to keep their offenses in the game, MUCH MORE than the other way around. It's the reason you see high-flying offenses like the Colts watching the Superbowl on TV every year.

Popps

04-28-2006, 07:59 PM

Popps...we have all the leverage here.

Dude, I hope you're dead-on. But, I'll be nothing short of shocked if we get him for anything less than 3rd and maybe more. I'm not sure what leverage we've got besides some draft picks, which lots of teams have. We have pouty receiver we need to dump, too... so I'd say we're on fairly equal ground. Actually, Green Bay has the more talented receiver, so I'd even give them the edge up for that.

broncohaven

04-28-2006, 07:59 PM

Our defense has been destroyed in the first half of playoff games over the past three losses... giving up an average of like 27 points, right out of the gate. Two offensive players aren't going to fix that. We're near the bottom of the league in pass-rush. We've got severe problems and they become very apparent every time we play a real playoff caliber team.

Certainly, I'm all for offensive upgrades. I'm in somewhat of a minority thinking that we should really make a run at Walker. But, a simple look at the box scores of the first half of our past 3 playoff losses tells you all you need to know. Our defense gets pushed around in the playoffs. We can't stop the pass, which eventually means that we can't stop the run.

Playoff football often requires defenses to keep their offenses in the game, MUCH MORE than the other way around. It's the reason you see high-flying offenses like the Colts watching the Superbowl on TV every year.
Count the 3 and out's on the box score too.

Rohirrim

04-28-2006, 08:02 PM

Well, there's no question we're not just going to cave in. But, you've got people taking about landing him for a 4th round pick. That's simply not going to happen.

Shanahan will make the big deal when he feels its right. (Bailey.) But, I think a contingent around this board thinks we have to get players dirt cheap or rip other teams off for a deal to work in our favor, and that's simply not the case. Sometimes you just have to send quality to receive quality.

The "quality" is the big question. A torn ACL is a big question.

Taco John

04-28-2006, 08:05 PM

Shanny can't, he's backed himself into a corner. He's ****ed because he didn't do anything in FA, and he's got to make a move. Everything else dried up this offseason, Javon is the only target that's left. His ego won't let him walk, he's not going to miss out on everyone he wanted this winter.

Please.... ::)

Shanny is content to sit on Lelie and throw a franchise tag on him if need be. You're being way more dramatic than I'm used to from you...

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 08:05 PM

Look man, you can get personal if you want. Name-calling is usually where people without substance to their arguments go.

I'll just stick to the facts. You called it a spin job. I corrected you. I posed it as a question, and I've seen a bunch of good responses... hence, it looks like there is some opinion on the matter out there. Certainly, I have an opinion. It's not a bias. There is a difference.

Furthermore, our lack of activity this off-season and inability to land key players thus far even lends further credibility to the question.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Wasn't getting personal. You have posted that sending #15 over for Walker would be ok. You want Walker in the worst way.

Jesus this draft has everyone on their last nerve :)

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 08:05 PM

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 08:07 PM

Please.... ::)

Shanny is content to sit on Lelie and throw a franchise tag on him if need be. You're being way more dramatic than I'm used to from you...

That's all fair and well TJ but is he gonna utilise him better in this offense and more importantly is Lelie gonna shut his trap and get down to doing what he's paid to do???

Merlin

04-28-2006, 08:08 PM

Popps,

You make this wild-a$$ed claim that Shanny has backed himself into the wall to argue that he is going to make a bonehead trade for Walker, yet you provide absolutely no evidence. All you have shown is that he refused to overpay for 4 different free agents, and [b]only one of which as a WR[b]. Moreover, he was not drooling after said WR, but seeing if he could have him at a reasonable price (i.e. incentive based deal).

So there is absolutely no justification for your claims about Shanny, on the contrary, the title of your thread and your later statements contradict themselves. The title suggests that maybe Denver is low-balling (forget the question mark, the point of the tittle is to suggest low-balling), yet you later contend that Shanny will overpay because his ego will force him to, even though nothing about his ego has been at play in any of these transactions.

broncohaven

04-28-2006, 08:09 PM

I cant see us landing him now unless the Broncos discussed contract perimeters with Javon's agent and I dont even think they were allowed to do that. Even if they agreed a trade package with GB tomorrow morning, it would be really risky exchanging picks unless a long-term extension is in place.
I think they can have contract discussions given that Walker was allowed permission to seek a trade from the Packers. A trade would be contingent on a new contract, so they would have to discuss it if they want anything to get done.

azbroncfan

04-28-2006, 08:09 PM

He's worth more than a cup of coffee. Maybe an espresso?

When denver throws Lelie into the equation it hurts the value and Denver has to offer higher pick. :rofl:

Taco John

04-28-2006, 08:10 PM

That's all fair and well TJ but is he gonna utilise him better in this offense and more importantly is Lelie gonna shut his trap and get down to doing what he's paid to do???

What do you mean shut his trap? What has Lelie done or said that has indicated that he's going to be a locker room problem...

Christ some of you fellas are dramatic this time of year...

Ballhawk

04-28-2006, 08:11 PM

What do you mean shut his trap? What has Lelie done or said that has indicated that he's going to be a locker room problem...

Christ some of you fellas are dramatic this time of year...

Ya he has not threatened to hold out. Is not missing any mandatory workouts. He just asked to be traded to a team that will get him more involved in the Offense.

Rohirrim

04-28-2006, 08:11 PM

Wasn't getting personal. You have posted that sending #15 over for Walker would be ok. You want Walker in the worst way.

Jesus this draft has everyone on their last nerve :)

We should have a little smilie of a guy breathing into a paper bag. We could call it the "Draft" smilie. ;D

WyoLaw

04-28-2006, 08:11 PM

gimme stallworth. F walker.

That's what I'm talking about.

elsid13

04-28-2006, 08:12 PM

That's all fair and well TJ but is he gonna utilise him better in this offense and more importantly is Lelie gonna shut his trap and get down to doing what he's paid to do???

You're making sound like Lelie is TO. The kid is a professional and has pride in what he does. He will be in training camp and play hard. Remember when everyone thought Elam was out the door??? Somethings were said then too. Relax, let this play out before everyone get to excited.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 08:14 PM

I think they can have contract discussions given that Walker was allowed permission to seek a trade from the Packers. A trade would be contingent on a new contract, so they would have to discuss it if they want anything to get done.

I thought the Packers were only allowing interested teams medical staff the opportunity to assess his recovery???

maven

04-28-2006, 08:15 PM

Anderson- Baltimore
Pryce- Baltimore
Putzier- Houston

****, that's a terrible arguement.

Anderson-total fill-in player. He's a plug-in who went for 1K. Nothing new among Denver RB'S. And definately nothing special, not great, I don't care what you call it.

Pryce-WTF has he done, aside from the KC monday night game(no Roaf, in which Roaf owns Pryce)

Putzier- part-time TE. No other way to put it. 37 catches, 0 f'n TD. Let me say this again. 0 f'n TD's

Hercules Rockefeller

04-28-2006, 08:17 PM

****, that's a terrible arguement.

Anderson-total fill-in player. He's a plug-in who went for 1K. Nothing new among Denver RB'S. And definately nothing special, not great, I don't care what you call it.

Pryce-WTF has he done, aside from the KC monday night game(no Roaf, in which Roaf owns Pryce)

Putzier- part-time TE. No other way to put it. 37 catches, 0 f'n TD. Let me say this again. 0 f'n TD's

Tell me what they were replaced with and you've got an argument. They've been replaced by no one, that's the point. These guys weren't great, no one is arguing they were. But they were solid, and crap has now taken their place.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 08:17 PM

What do you mean shut his trap? What has Lelie done or said that has indicated that he's going to be a locker room problem...

Christ some of you fellas are dramatic this time of year...

Stayed away from the workouts, stated he wanted to be the No1 receiver and requested a trade if I'm not mistaken. Does he want to play for the Broncos or not??? More importantly does Shanahan really want him??? Were you not the one stating he was being shopped 2 months ago. Now you're saying Shanahan will franchise him if need be. Why the turnaround???

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 08:19 PM

You're making sound like Lelie is TO. The kid is a professional and has pride in what he does. He will be in training camp and play hard. Remember when everyone thought Elam was out the door??? Somethings were said then too. Relax, let this play out before everyone get to excited.

Not at all, but from what I've read he doesn't want to stay in Denver unless he's utilised properly. That's up to him and Mike to either sort that out or let him go.

labronx

04-28-2006, 08:22 PM

I wonder what Freddie Mitchell is up to these days....

(kidding! kidding!)

ROTFL

Rascal

04-28-2006, 08:23 PM

Why would Shanahan refuse to bow to TO's demands, or anybody elses that they brought in, and then suddenly turn around and dump it for Walker? Walker will come in at Shanahan's set price, or not at all.

Agreed Roh. I don't get these comments that Shanny's backed himself into a corner and now he is desperate.

If all else fails we have the same WR core as last year. Next year will be interesting but that's what FA and the draft is for. I'm thinking Terrell can be a solid #2 WR if given the chance, hell he did well in Chicago.

Even if we don't get Walker or Stallworth or trade Lelie the season is not over guys. Those who say otherwise are making my pessimistic ass look optomistic.

Taco John

04-28-2006, 08:25 PM

Stayed away from the workouts, stated he wanted to be the No1 receiver and requested a trade if I'm not mistaken. Does he want to play for the Broncos or not??? More importantly does Shanahan really want him??? Were you not the one stating he was being shopped 2 months ago. Now you're saying Shanahan will franchise him if need be. Why the turnaround???

What turnaround? Shanahan has been angling to trade up in this draft since last year when he first traded to the Redskins... The shopping around of Lelie is just a part of that. It doesn't mean that he absolutely wants Lelie off the team. It just means that Shanahan is willing to part with him if the right situation presents itself. This isn't an absolute black and white situation no matter how badly you want it to be that way. None of these situations ever are.

ANYWAY, I don't have a problem with Lelie wanting to be the number one guy... He WAS a first round draft pick afterall. I'd be concerned if he DIDN'T want to be the number one.

Some of you folks need to get a grip here.

elsid13

04-28-2006, 08:31 PM

Not at all, but from what I've read he doesn't want to stay in Denver unless he's utilised properly. That's up to him and Mike to either sort that out or let him go.

Look I have strange feeling that you will be seeing Lelie more involved in the offense this year with Dinger calling the plays. Kubes set the game plan and Shanahan let him have some free reign there. if Dinger can make Bennett a good WR don't you think he turn Lelie into a better one. Plus if I remember correctly it wasn't Denver shopping Lelie, but rather teams calling making inquiries.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 08:31 PM

What turnaround? Shanahan has been angling to trade up in this draft since last year when he first traded to the Redskins... The shopping around of Lelie is just a part of that. It doesn't mean that he absolutely wants Lelie off the team. It just means that Shanahan is willing to part with him if the right situation presents itself. This isn't an absolute black and white situation no matter how badly you want it to be that way. None of these situations ever are.

ANYWAY, I don't have a problem with Lelie wanting to be the number one guy... He WAS a first round draft pick afterall. I'd be concerned if he DIDN'T want to be the number one.

Some of you folks need to get a grip here.

Get a grip???

So you're more than happy with the current receiving options Jake has at his disposal???

maven

04-28-2006, 08:33 PM

Tell me what they were replaced with and you've got an argument. They've been replaced by no one, that's the point. These guys weren't great, no one is arguing they were. But they were solid, and crap has now taken their place.

I totally see where you arguement is coming from. But, I don't put as much faith as you do in the "solid" players you have listed.

Anderson. Came of a torn hamstring. Previously was a FB. This offense is design to run. Plain & simple. I don't see it necessarily difficult to replace a player to pound the ball for 4.0 yards a carry, 62 yards per game.

Putzier- 37 catches needs to be replaced. Now I'm not a homer when it comes to players, but I can see Duke getting near or atleast 37 of those catches. Hell, this is of no relevance, but he did have more TD's than Putz.

Pryce- Dimishing returns for an unfriendly cap situation. I think out of all three of the players mentioned, this could possibly be the one player WHO might be difficult to replace, even though the stats show he didn't do much the past two seasons. I believe the rotation can match the output Pryce brought for a full season.

eddie mac

04-28-2006, 08:38 PM

I totally see where you arguement is coming from. But, I don't put as much faith as you do in the "solid" players you have listed.

Anderson. Came of a torn hamstring. Previously was a FB. This offense is design to run. Plain & simple. I don't see it necessarily difficult to replace a player to pound the ball for 4.0 yards a carry, 62 yards per game.

Putzier- 37 catches needs to be replaced. Now I'm not a homer when it comes to players, but I can see Duke getting near or atleast 37 of those catches. Hell, this is of no relevance, but he did have more TD's than Putz.

Pryce- Dimishing returns for an unfriendly cap situation. I think out of all three of the players mentioned, this could possibly be the one player WHO might be difficult to replace, even though the stats show he didn't do much the past two seasons. I believe the rotation can match the output Pryce brought for a full season.

Think you're jumping the gun a little with your projections for Wesley. If NFL Europe is anything to go by he's a long way from starting TE in a Bronco uniform.

elsid13

04-28-2006, 08:40 PM

Think you're jumping the gun a little with your projections for Wesley. If NFL Europe is anything to go by he's a long way from starting TE in a Bronco uniform.

He has Brock Berlin throwing to him, how hell are we supposed to know if he any good??? Beside, what he needed to work on was his blocking, which he hasn't been able to do because that team is so bad.

maven

04-28-2006, 08:46 PM

Think you're jumping the gun a little with your projections for Wesley. If NFL Europe is anything to go by he's a long way from starting TE in a Bronco uniform.

37 catches stretched over an entire season is a little over two receptions a game. I wasn't saying the Duke is the answer, but the production Putz put out can be replaced.